On the show today, Netflix has hosted an interesting presentation, providing us updates on all of our favourite shows. Here are the updates you should be excited about and a few moments that left us disappointed.
Plus, JoJo Siwa has confirmed that she is in a romantic relationship with her former Celebrity Big Brother UK co-star Chris Hughes. JoJo sensationally met Chris while locked in the Big Brother house, and made headlines thanks to the fallout linked to her Australian partner Kath Ebbs, who she was in a relationship with at the time.
After previously denying the relationship, JoJo is now telling a different story, and we can pinpoint the moment her hand was forced.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Cassemmie Luci and coming up on the
show today, we've had quite a development in the Jojo
(00:35):
Siwa Chris Hughes situation. I thought that was going to
be laying low for a while, but she's given a
new tell All interview off the back of the tell
All interview that her former partner kath Ebbs gave, So
we're going to dive into all that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, and we've also got some really exciting news from Netflix.
They did their upfronts Now, if you don't know what
an upfront is, it's basically when a network or a
show they basically tell you all of their new episodes, shows,
exciting premieres. But there's been like some a few disappointments,
a few sort of questions about it. Do you want
(01:08):
to dive into that, fus.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes, yes, because I did spend a lot of my
weekend watching this unravel so it's called to Dumb, which
is Netflix's big upfronts and I have yet to score
an invite to it, but I would one hundred percent
fly myself to the US to see it because it's
all of their big announcements. They have all the talent there,
all these activations, and I was watching it all weekend,
and we had like the team at Maamea on standby
(01:30):
because we thought they were going to drop all of
the trailers for their big upcoming shows all of the
release dates. We were watching it and there were some
interesting things, but overall we were waiting for more information
on Bridgeton that didn't come through. We were waiting for
like a trailer for Nobody Wants This Season two, even
though the cast was there doing some events. We did
find out later on that Nobody Wants This Season two
(01:52):
is coming October twenty three, so mark that new calendars.
I also potentially yeah, me too. I was kind of
on the fence of whether it needed a season two,
but now I've seen like a few of the behind
the scenes clips. No, I know, I know what well.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I just sorry. Even my husband loved that show.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I loved that. I even like cried during the briadly
honish review because there were so many moments in it
that I felt so poignant. But sometimes when something is
really quite perfect, I just like it to sort of
be its one story. But I'm finding that like what
I've seen from season two quite good.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, what is coming on October twenty third, As.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Rabbi and the Rabbi says, season two of your favorite
show in mind?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Nobody wants this.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So one of the ones that I am really excited about,
but we don't have a release date for is America's
Sweetheart Styles Cowboys Chiliaders, and this is the second season. Now.
I have been a bit of a fan of this show.
They used to do one back in the day called
Making the Team, Oh Yes, so, but this one's kind
of an upgrade from that, and it's a little bit
of a guilty pleasure show for me, even though I
(02:54):
don't love the way that they treat the women and
they obviously don't pay them, and there's all these other
things that go on behind the scenes of it, but
it is incredibly entertaining one.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh it really is. I was when it first came out,
I'm like, this show isn't for me, and then I
watched it devoured every second of it, I'm now across
the personal lives of all the girls. So then after
I watched Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders on Netflix, I thought maybe
I would try the Making the Team show, but I
just couldn't because I needed the slight frothiness, girl power
layer that they put over the Netflix show. It makes
(03:23):
America's X Top Model look like a safe, beautiful, inclusive space. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
See Making the Team, I mean this is like sort
of early two thousand's. It's that classic like it. They're
really nasty to those poor girls. Yeah, and there's a
lot of talk about weight, and you know, you can
see her bulging and they show like a tight shot
of this girl's stomach which is like perfectly flat. And
I remember there's one scene where she's doing one of
(03:49):
those high kicks and she's like, oh, I can see
her rolls and I was like.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It is So I actually can't believe that show was.
What's it on for like seven or eight seasons or
something like that. And also it's so interesting because watching
the documentary, everyone's like, we love Judy and Kelly, who
are like the coach and the choreographer, and like they're
really inspirational on there these amazing women, and I think
the Netflix show really tried to craft that. And when
you watch making the team, I'm like, sorry, you women,
un monsters, whether you're doing for the camera or not.
(04:15):
So we didn't get We'll go to a whole side
thing about that. Now. Yeah, we didn't get any kind
of update on that from the Netflix upfronts. And maybe
I actually thought if they'd maybe the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders
weren't doing their big tour at the moment, they're doing
like a Texas wide dance tour, maybe they would have
been there and performed. That's still coming.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We did have some exciting news about Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yes, so Wednesday season two. They actually showed the first
six minutes of the first episode called Here We Woe Again.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's been an eventful summer. Does I spent my vacation
mastering my psychic ability? God of good I'll the answer
is brand Goody's Book of Spells gender Mendo. With my
ability now under control, I set my sights on an
obsession I've heard since I was six years old. This
is victim number leven. This is the Kela, the Kansas
(05:05):
City Scalper America's most solusive serial killer to psychically locate him.
All I needed was an object from one of his
crime scenes. The Scalper's eleventh victim dropped her prize bowling
ball when she was snatched. With the Scalper finally in
my crosshairs, I had one final harrowing obstacle to overcome.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
This is like really fitting, I think for the Wednesday universe.
Jennel or Taga was there. She's kind of the queen
of Netflix at the moment because Wednesday was so successful.
But she also brought Lady Gaga out on stage and
she sung Eyebricadabra, and that was a whole kind of
big moment. So we've had our first glimpse of the
new season. The other big announcement and this might be
niche for some people, but I was so excited about this.
(05:49):
We had the first trailer for Happy Gilmore too, and
a release date July twenty five.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
My name is Happy Gilmore. Thirty years ago I decided
to give godf a try.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But even when you're at the top of your game,
you can always shank one.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Happy Gilmor sucks.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
How are you going to put Vienna through ballet school?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's seventy five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's four years.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That's three hundred and thirty three grand.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's terrible math, Johnny, it's three hundred grande. Happy Gilmore
didn't have things flowing on the first ball. Check out
the kneed tag, Grandson.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You're in my right now.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I remember the happy place I went to.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You go to.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yours thoughts feelings on that?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Okay, So I loved Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'm a because you're a fan of being with a soul.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I'm a big fan of like, you know, the Adam Sandler,
that universe, you know, the water Boy, Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison,
like those were just like classic comedies when we were
growing up, Like those were kind of there's so many, like,
so many moments from it. But it's interesting that it
is being released in July because you know, shoot McGavin
did all of those Uber Eights commercial, yes, and he's
(07:06):
seen those, so it's an interesting timing thing. Actually haven't
heard anything about Happy Girl.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So Adam Sandler's back. So this is one of his biggest,
biggest movies from the nineties that kind of cemented him
as this comedy king after he came off like a
bit of Saturday Night Live and doing comedy everywhere, and
so it's him going back into the golf championships. And
also Julie Bowen, who is his love interest in the
first movie, is back. The only thing about that, although,
I think, is that it's I don't know how the
gen zs will take it. It's good. I'm gonna say
(07:34):
it's a very specific comedy. And my whole thing is
like I will like die on a hill for Adam Sandler.
I think like he is a person just seems so lovely.
His comedy is great. I think he Andrew Barrymore together
when they do all of their like rom coms, is
like a really special kind of magic. But I don't
know if you'd show someone Happy Girl More now, they
would find it offensive and not funny. So I don't
know how this is gonna Don't you think it's just
(07:54):
a very specific kind of comedy. I just find that
most I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Know if it's necessarily offensive, but have to go back
and rewatch it. But I mean I think that, yeah,
it was a very specific thing. But I mean, Adam
Sandler did this massive deal with Netflix of these movies
that he has Happy Madison Productions. You know, his two
biggest films, Billy Madison and Happy Gilmore. That's where all
(08:19):
of these movies are coming from. So he's i mean,
done incredibly well out of it. I'm watching it just
with the nostalgia.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, exactly, Like he's obviously not going to trump the
original movie, but I did think it was kind of
interesting that being like a big thing in the Netflix upfront.
And he's also thinking is that he always has his
wife and his two daughters in every movie he makes,
and they're also in Happy Girl More too, So that's exciting.
July what a month for new releases.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I kind of love I do really love him. I
love him so much, you know, baggy basketball shorts and like, yeah,
he's bits, He's hilarious. The other one that I actually
excited for is season three of Squid Games.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh yes, I loved season one. I thought that was
complete groundbreaking television, and then season two I did quite like,
but it just didn't pack the same punch for me.
So I'm wondering how the storyline's going to go to
season three, or maybe I just need to reinvest more
of my time in it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I actually I think it was the first couple of
episodes of season two were just very slow, like before
he got into the game. He went back to the game.
But I did actually really really like it. But you
know how are were talking about it last week. I
can't watch that while I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Cleaning, no, because I sit down and page. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So that's a pay attention show unless you can speak Kareen.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes, yes, no, I need to be watching that. So
lots of big releases coming from Netflix. Again. We're still
waiting for some trailers and release dates. But look, when
Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders comes out, we will hold an emergency episode.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And we are going to do a split kick competition
here in the office. Whoever can do the jump split wins.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I feel like I know who's going to win that,
but we can definitely give it a go. I would
literally break shut at every boat in my body.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I have really bad hips. I've hip displasure, so that's
not my issue.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
People you know like, oh, I couldn't do the splits Now,
I'm like, no, no, I could never do that. We'll kill ourselves,
but it'll be a good video.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Lari, we have an update on Jojo Siwa, who is
probably one of the most divisive celebrities that we have
at the moment. She has gone through a lot since
Dance Mum's, you know, from her bows to her big
Crazy relaunch tour that was bigger than anything had ever
(10:34):
been done before. David Bowie like it was this big thing,
and she got made fun of a lot on TikTok.
This is actually about her new relationship. She has now
hard launched her relationship with Chris Hughes, who she met
in the Celebrity Big Brother House. Now she did an
interview with The Guardian confirming the relationship, which we kind
(10:55):
of already knew because the pictures have been all over Instagram.
They've been very loved up, but this is the first
time she's actually confirmed it as a proper relationship rather
than just a friendship, which is kind of what she
was referring to it in the past. She said, it's
a beautiful connection. It's not polatonic anymore. It's been a
(11:15):
beautiful development. I'm absolutely head over heels for him and
he's the same way. This is the bit that I
actually found really interesting. I've always told myself I'm a lesbian,
and I think being here, I've realized, oh, I'm not
a lesbian, I'm queer, and I think that's really cool.
What I really want to point out here is I
think there is criticism of her sort of making this
(11:36):
big deal about being a lesbian and then going she's
also like twenty something, Like she's just turned twenty one.
She's young. She's allowed to still be figuring herself out,
and for her to sort of, you know, maybe like
women and then also like men, that's completely fine. But
I think the controversy comes around the way that her
(11:59):
ex partner was kind of dumped like a bag of trash.
Yeah wow, like she really it really was quite sad,
and it was all playing out.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
On so public screen so publicly.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Now despite that them looking really happy and looking very
very loved up, I don't really love the way she
kind of just ditched kath EPs like it feels a
little bit hush.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like they had to go
public at their relationship a lot quicker than they had
potentially planned, just because of all the photos that have
come out. So I feel like Australia really fell in
love with Jojo Siwa over six months ago, when obviously
people knew her from dance mums and her big TV
show and her music and she's toured Australia before. But
when she started dating Kath Ebbs and it was this
(12:50):
whole love story. Kath Ebbs is a really well known
podcast stone activist in Australia and they had this love
story where they were introduced by g Flip and they
did so many like social media videos together, like heats
of tiktoks and instagrams together. They were on stage together
at events like doing line dancing because like that's something
that Kats started in Australia. And it was this really
beautiful love affair between these two people that had these
(13:12):
two separate fandoms. And so when Jojo went into the
Big Brother House, I think people were really invested in
her journey because there was this extra lay of her romance.
And then when the Chris Hughes stuff started as interesting
because Kath was posting so much, especially because when Jojo
got into House there was that whole thing with Mickey
Rourke being like absolutely awful to her, yeah, and all
(13:33):
of these things, and Kath was posting a lot. And
then they stopped posting and they later onset in their
own podcast conversations with Kath where they did like a
whole big debrief on what had happened that they just
didn't know what was going on and had to sort
of take themselves out of the public situation. And then
we found out later and again a lot of this
is coming from after this whole thing blew up, Kath
did a TikTok video, they then took it down, and
(13:56):
then only like maybe two weeks ago on their own
podcast Conversations with Kath, they did a really in depth
interview with Claire Stevens kind of taking through their side
of the story, and they said that leading into the
u K Big Brother Celebrity finale, that Kath had been
in contact with JoJo's mother, Jesslone, who a lot of
people would know as a dance mum very kind of
(14:19):
embroiled in her daughter's life, and then Kath was sort
of thinking that this relationship with Chris was very much
being taken potentially out of contacts, and that's why they
flew to the UK to be there for the finale.
And then they detail what happened when they reached the UK,
how initially everything was great with Jojo, how then they
went to the after party and that's what the breakup happened.
(14:41):
What happened behind the scenes, like paints a very different
picture to what Jojo had said.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
She got off the show and then as soon as
she was off camera, the welfare team took her straight
to the.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Room that I was in.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, it was really beautiful, like we hugged, we kissed,
so that I said to her, like, what do you
want to do? She was like, I'm going to go
to the after party, but you don't need to come.
My dad was like, why don't you. You've gone there
for support, You've gone there to support her, why don't
you go? So I get there, So I went straight
towards her and grabbed her and like said like, are
(15:12):
you okay? And she said no, no, no, And I
was like, oh my god, like what's happened? So she
sat down. I sat down and I just said, what's
going on, baby, Like what's wrong? And she started breaking
up with me, and then she did kind of stop
and she said, just okay, come back to the hotel
with me. And I said, and she's like we'll keep talking,
(15:33):
like you clearly have like you know, she was kind
of like, okay, clearly there's more here. Like we went
back to the hotel, we had like a five hour conversation.
She doubled down broke up with me.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I actually feel so bad for them. Can you imagine
flying all the way across the world trying to be
supportive for your partner. This is JoJo's set of first
real relationship. I imagine Kat's probably been really supportive of
her and you know, finding herself and you know the
g flip thing, and they were going to Disney World. Like,
(16:05):
I really feel sorry for them because it feels like
they put a lot into this relationship hip and were
kind of shafted. But then I also understand it from
JoJo's side, because she's twenty one and she's just trying
to figure out who she is, which is very evident
with her music. Which.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, it's interesting how it all unfolded because I think
like Jojo did a lot of press coming out of
the UK celebrity Big Brother, So she went on Nick
Viole's podcast and did that kind of big tell all,
and then Kath waited awhile and then did her side
of the story. It's interesting how those two sides come
across very differently, But I guess that's like most breakups
where everyone has their side. What I think is interesting
is like the intensity of the public response around it,
(16:50):
and I think that's had a lot to do with
why Jojo and Chris have put their relationship out there
in this way, because it's interesting. Here in Australia, everyone
was a bit more kind of like, oh god, that's awful,
because they were seeing it more from kath Ebbs's side
of watching your partner go to the other side of
the world and then seemingly have this very public love story,
whereas in the UK people know Chris because he was
(17:11):
on Love Island and he's had like really public love stories,
and then Jojo, like a lot of I don't think
it's many people in UK they did know her, but
I think also like she's been in the news so
much lately, and she's always been really public with her
past romances, like she's always been a big like harden
her sleeve, this is the person I'm in love with
kind of person. So I think a lot of people
in the UK and America were more geared towards like
(17:33):
being invested in their love story. And it's interesting because
when they came out of the house, Jojo and Chris
did so many joint interviews together, and they always said
it's just platonic. Yeah, it's just we're just we're like
such good friends. I mean, Jojo did say like she
was asked point blank and she would always like laugh
in all these interviews and be like, I can't believe
people are asking us this. This is so full. I
(17:54):
think this is like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Some internalized homophobia from people. I don't know if this
is like a larger question, but like, is there a
thing where they find it more acceptable that JoJo's with
a man now or are we past that?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I think I feel like one thing under there.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I think, yeah, I think it's a few different layers here.
We have like a public love story breakup that people
are like very parasocial with, so they've chosen aside. And
I think some people are loving the scandal. But I
do think there's a big part of it of people
because it was a non binary person and at the time,
a self identified lesbian in a relationship together, people didn't
take that as seriously as if it had been like
(18:33):
a heterosexual relationship, and so when they saw her getting
with Chris, there was this thing of like Oh, it's
this beautiful fairy tale and like, of course she's in
a lesbian she just had to meet the right man.
Like that is a really disturbing thread.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And I hate that, Like, I don't love that underlying
And that's kind of something that I'm feeling a lot
of from some of the social commentary around it, which
I find more disturbing than the fact that Jojo is
perhaps queer bisexual, however she identifies that for me, is
(19:06):
probably a little bit more insidious, I feel. Whereas because
Chris is this, you know, handsome white man like he
was on Love Island, like he's a cute kid like that.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
It's not kidies in his early thirties. That's the other doubles,
And I.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Still feel, I still feel like anyone who goes on
you Love Island as a child.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. No, he's in his early thirties.
And Jojo really recently turned twenty two, which is really
imperative to this story. Yeah, because with Kath and Jojo,
there was always this underlining, we're not even underlying like
comments and things that because Kath was twenty seven when
they met and Jojo was twenty one, there was this
thing of like grooming allegations almost, which Kath addressed on
(19:48):
their podcast and said, like, that's just not what happened here,
and that's a pretty serious word to be throwing around.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And again, I think that's a bit of like internalized
homophobia year like, oh, you're grooming this poor, young, innocent
girl into being a lesbian.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Like that's yeah, that's that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Kind of hidden narrative. Where is he?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I'm not searing that as much with Chris, who's in
his early thirties and Jojo, who's just turned twenty two.
I think because it's a more acceptable, visible love story
of people being like this sweet man and this young girl,
Well they've fallen in love together. But what's been interesting
is the way they've had to sort of roll out
the press. Because my kind of thinking is that maybe
(20:27):
I was a bit naivey at the time, because maybe
at the time I was like, maybe they are just
really good friends. You just never know things things.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
For an entertainment reporter, you are.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I sometimes just really believe what's happening. Well, not that
I didn't think they didn't have like love sparks flying
in the house. I saw that. I'm an adult. I
could see it. But I also think that in these showmanceers,
it burns really hot and heavy when you're locked in
a house with someone with no access to the outside world.
And I did think that maybe it wasn't a romance
that was going to sustain itself once she went back
(20:58):
to America and he was in the UK, Like I thought,
it was potentially well could have fizzled out, which.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Is still could very well at stop being that I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But it's still going pretty so I think this is
why they had to accelerate their plans. I think their
pr plan coming out of the house was that like
especially Jojo, because she still has a very young fan base,
to the point where she and her mother Jessline put
together like a band of like young women a few
years ago because they realized that she had already aged out,
but she was going to continue to age out of
her core demo, which is really young girls. So they
(21:28):
tried to put together this group of like Mini Jojo
siwas and it went very badly. There's a lot of
stuff around, bullying, accusations, ra all that sort of stuff,
but she's still got a very young fan base, and
Chris Hughes is not so young, but he's very much
in the UK kind of tabloid sphere. So I think
when they came out of the house, now, looking back
on what we know, I think they immediately got together.
(21:49):
It was romantic straight away, but they thought they could
keep it under wraps for like six months or so
and let the dust settle and then be publicly together.
But the thing is, those kids couldn't keep their hands
off each other.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
They went on that big holiday trip to Mexico for
her twenty second birthday, and there were so many pat
pics of them kissing in the street, holding hands, them
dancing in the stud and then she posted a bunch
and they still were saying we're platonic. Every time they
did an interview. Jojo would laugh and say, we're just friends.
We're just such good friends. No one believes people can
just be friends. But then at one point she did say,
(22:22):
but I don't know what's going to happen in the future.
So clearly they were together and they were just letting
time bill, but they couldn't wait.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I am always very very hesitant of people who have
intense PDA, really like relationships where there is so much
like I love you so like really hot and heavy
intense relationships very quickly. And I people who are really
really PDA on Instagram, I don't trust it.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Well, isn't that the whole thing of like the more
couples post, the worse their relationship is behind the scenes.
I'm not saying for this. I think for this one,
they're just very online people. And they're also well she's
very young, he's he not so much, but they're very
online people. She's really caught up in the moment and
they just couldn't help. I think they threw the pr
plant out the window because they couldn't help not post
(23:11):
their photos of each other. So she's turning out. If
you've seen this clips, she's been touring the UK convenient
turning the UK doing shows and she sings Betty Davis
eyes and have you seen this? And then she's singing
and then Chris Huses seeing the back with her parents,
and instead of singing Betty Davis eyes, she sings Chris
Hughes's eyes. Yeah, but I mean it's so cute because
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it's such a it's it's so cruel. Well, it's cute
without it. It's the kath Eb's factor, which makes it
not so cute, and also pim being like over ten
years older than her potentially being a bit smarmy. But
apart from that, it's really cute if you just put
your blinders on and don't look at any of the
outside moments. And I just think it's interesting that she
even did this Guardian interview. But I think there's they
(23:53):
also had to sort of what I'm thinking has happened.
They had to throw out the initial pr plan and
be like, Okay, we can't we can't lay low for
six months because we haven't laid low at all, and
our entire relationship is out for the world to see.
People are speculating, so we're going to have to change
tech now. But it also doesn't seem right for them
to also just put up a hosts saying yes, we're together,
even though normally Jojo was the kind of celebrity because
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she lives more on the online world than in the
traditional media world, so normally it would be much more
I think on brand for her just to do a
video or Instagram post itself exactly. But I think in
this case, it's almost like if you tell a third party,
then it seems less like you're trying to profit off
in a way because also in this interview, she's talking
about the homophobia she faced from Mickey Rourke and the
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public perception, all those kind of things, and when the
journalist asked her about Chris Hughes, all she's doing is
giving an honest answer of saying, like it was, we
were just friends, it's no longer like that. We're now
together and I'm so happy. She even says that, like
her cheeks are hurting every day from smiling so much.
So I just wonder if someone behind the scenes was like,
if you do it this way, it just it takes
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away from you trying to promote it. And it's just
one part of a bigger interview. But then it's done
and there's no more speculation, And maybe that all that
kind of people trying to like out them and out
their relationship might settle down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To be young and in love.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, with a whole crazy tabloid backstory of how I
feel for kat though yeah I do too.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That is my takeaway. I feel like they have been
really I would just say to everyone it's disappointing.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, And I think also not even the JoJo's stuff, Like,
obviously that's awful watching your relationship be in the public eye.
But also people have been really aggressive and angry towards Kath,
like on TikTok, in comments all that sort of thing,
and just like aggressive in a way that I've never
seen with other more like heterosexual, heteronormative relationship breakups, almost
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that they thought that there was some sort of nefarious
plot behind her romance, and so it is kind of
really difficult to watch for her. And I would just
say to everyone, like I would go and listen to
her conversations with Cath podcasts and get because it's a
really long conversation where they really take you through their
full experience, what they were thinking, what the social commentary
has been like. And I just think that's a really
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important side of the story to see. And you won't
get the floor story by watching clips on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, and it's Pride month after all, so let's you know,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
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So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Cassemmie Luci and coming up on the
show today, we've had quite a development in the Jojo
(00:35):
Siwa Chris Hughes situation. I thought that was going to
be laying low for a while, but she's given a
new tell All interview off the back of the tell
All interview that her former partner kath Ebbs gave, So
we're going to dive into all that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, and we've also got some really exciting news from Netflix.
They did their upfronts Now, if you don't know what
an upfront is, it's basically when a network or a
show they basically tell you all of their new episodes, shows,
exciting premieres. But there's been like some a few disappointments,
a few sort of questions about it. Do you want
(01:08):
to dive into that, fus.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes, yes, because I did spend a lot of my
weekend watching this unravel so it's called to Dumb, which
is Netflix's big upfronts and I have yet to score
an invite to it, but I would one hundred percent
fly myself to the US to see it because it's
all of their big announcements. They have all the talent there,
all these activations, and I was watching it all weekend,
and we had like the team at Maamea on standby
(01:30):
because we thought they were going to drop all of
the trailers for their big upcoming shows all of the
release dates. We were watching it and there were some
interesting things, but overall we were waiting for more information
on Bridgeton that didn't come through. We were waiting for
like a trailer for Nobody Wants This Season two, even
though the cast was there doing some events. We did
find out later on that Nobody Wants This Season two
(01:52):
is coming October twenty three, so mark that new calendars.
I also potentially yeah, me too. I was kind of
on the fence of whether it needed a season two,
but now I've seen like a few of the behind
the scenes clips. No, I know, I know what well.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I just sorry. Even my husband loved that show.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I loved that. I even like cried during the briadly
honish review because there were so many moments in it
that I felt so poignant. But sometimes when something is
really quite perfect, I just like it to sort of
be its one story. But I'm finding that like what
I've seen from season two quite good.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, what is coming on October twenty third, As.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Rabbi and the Rabbi says, season two of your favorite
show in mind?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Nobody wants this.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So one of the ones that I am really excited about,
but we don't have a release date for is America's
Sweetheart Styles Cowboys Chiliaders, and this is the second season. Now.
I have been a bit of a fan of this show.
They used to do one back in the day called
Making the Team, Oh Yes, so, but this one's kind
of an upgrade from that, and it's a little bit
of a guilty pleasure show for me, even though I
(02:54):
don't love the way that they treat the women and
they obviously don't pay them, and there's all these other
things that go on behind the scenes of it, but
it is incredibly entertaining one.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh it really is. I was when it first came out,
I'm like, this show isn't for me, and then I
watched it devoured every second of it, I'm now across
the personal lives of all the girls. So then after
I watched Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders on Netflix, I thought maybe
I would try the Making the Team show, but I
just couldn't because I needed the slight frothiness, girl power
layer that they put over the Netflix show. It makes
(03:23):
America's X Top Model look like a safe, beautiful, inclusive space. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
See Making the Team, I mean this is like sort
of early two thousand's. It's that classic like it. They're
really nasty to those poor girls. Yeah, and there's a
lot of talk about weight, and you know, you can
see her bulging and they show like a tight shot
of this girl's stomach which is like perfectly flat. And
I remember there's one scene where she's doing one of
(03:49):
those high kicks and she's like, oh, I can see
her rolls and I was like.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It is So I actually can't believe that show was.
What's it on for like seven or eight seasons or
something like that. And also it's so interesting because watching
the documentary, everyone's like, we love Judy and Kelly, who
are like the coach and the choreographer, and like they're
really inspirational on there these amazing women, and I think
the Netflix show really tried to craft that. And when
you watch making the team, I'm like, sorry, you women,
un monsters, whether you're doing for the camera or not.
(04:15):
So we didn't get We'll go to a whole side
thing about that. Now. Yeah, we didn't get any kind
of update on that from the Netflix upfronts. And maybe
I actually thought if they'd maybe the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders
weren't doing their big tour at the moment, they're doing
like a Texas wide dance tour, maybe they would have
been there and performed. That's still coming.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We did have some exciting news about Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yes, so Wednesday season two. They actually showed the first
six minutes of the first episode called Here We Woe Again.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's been an eventful summer. Does I spent my vacation
mastering my psychic ability? God of good I'll the answer
is brand Goody's Book of Spells gender Mendo. With my
ability now under control, I set my sights on an
obsession I've heard since I was six years old. This
is victim number leven. This is the Kela, the Kansas
(05:05):
City Scalper America's most solusive serial killer to psychically locate him.
All I needed was an object from one of his
crime scenes. The Scalper's eleventh victim dropped her prize bowling
ball when she was snatched. With the Scalper finally in
my crosshairs, I had one final harrowing obstacle to overcome.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
This is like really fitting, I think for the Wednesday universe.
Jennel or Taga was there. She's kind of the queen
of Netflix at the moment because Wednesday was so successful.
But she also brought Lady Gaga out on stage and
she sung Eyebricadabra, and that was a whole kind of
big moment. So we've had our first glimpse of the
new season. The other big announcement and this might be
niche for some people, but I was so excited about this.
(05:49):
We had the first trailer for Happy Gilmore too, and
a release date July twenty five.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
My name is Happy Gilmore. Thirty years ago I decided
to give godf a try.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But even when you're at the top of your game,
you can always shank one.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Happy Gilmor sucks.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
How are you going to put Vienna through ballet school?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's seventy five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's four years.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That's three hundred and thirty three grand.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's terrible math, Johnny, it's three hundred grande. Happy Gilmore
didn't have things flowing on the first ball. Check out
the kneed tag, Grandson.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You're in my right now.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I remember the happy place I went to.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You go to.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yours thoughts feelings on that?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Okay, So I loved Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'm a because you're a fan of being with a soul.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I'm a big fan of like, you know, the Adam Sandler,
that universe, you know, the water Boy, Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison,
like those were just like classic comedies when we were
growing up, Like those were kind of there's so many, like,
so many moments from it. But it's interesting that it
is being released in July because you know, shoot McGavin
did all of those Uber Eights commercial, yes, and he's
(07:06):
seen those, so it's an interesting timing thing. Actually haven't
heard anything about Happy Girl.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So Adam Sandler's back. So this is one of his biggest,
biggest movies from the nineties that kind of cemented him
as this comedy king after he came off like a
bit of Saturday Night Live and doing comedy everywhere, and
so it's him going back into the golf championships. And
also Julie Bowen, who is his love interest in the
first movie, is back. The only thing about that, although,
I think, is that it's I don't know how the
gen zs will take it. It's good. I'm gonna say
(07:34):
it's a very specific comedy. And my whole thing is
like I will like die on a hill for Adam Sandler.
I think like he is a person just seems so lovely.
His comedy is great. I think he Andrew Barrymore together
when they do all of their like rom coms, is
like a really special kind of magic. But I don't
know if you'd show someone Happy Girl More now, they
would find it offensive and not funny. So I don't
know how this is gonna Don't you think it's just
(07:54):
a very specific kind of comedy. I just find that
most I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Know if it's necessarily offensive, but have to go back
and rewatch it. But I mean I think that, yeah,
it was a very specific thing. But I mean, Adam
Sandler did this massive deal with Netflix of these movies
that he has Happy Madison Productions. You know, his two
biggest films, Billy Madison and Happy Gilmore. That's where all
(08:19):
of these movies are coming from. So he's i mean,
done incredibly well out of it. I'm watching it just
with the nostalgia.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, exactly, Like he's obviously not going to trump the
original movie, but I did think it was kind of
interesting that being like a big thing in the Netflix upfront.
And he's also thinking is that he always has his
wife and his two daughters in every movie he makes,
and they're also in Happy Girl More too, So that's exciting.
July what a month for new releases.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I kind of love I do really love him. I
love him so much, you know, baggy basketball shorts and like, yeah,
he's bits, He's hilarious. The other one that I actually
excited for is season three of Squid Games.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh yes, I loved season one. I thought that was
complete groundbreaking television, and then season two I did quite like,
but it just didn't pack the same punch for me.
So I'm wondering how the storyline's going to go to
season three, or maybe I just need to reinvest more
of my time in it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I actually I think it was the first couple of
episodes of season two were just very slow, like before
he got into the game. He went back to the game.
But I did actually really really like it. But you
know how are were talking about it last week. I
can't watch that while I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Cleaning, no, because I sit down and page. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So that's a pay attention show unless you can speak Kareen.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes, yes, no, I need to be watching that. So
lots of big releases coming from Netflix. Again. We're still
waiting for some trailers and release dates. But look, when
Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders comes out, we will hold an emergency episode.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And we are going to do a split kick competition
here in the office. Whoever can do the jump split wins.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I feel like I know who's going to win that,
but we can definitely give it a go. I would
literally break shut at every boat in my body.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I have really bad hips. I've hip displasure, so that's
not my issue.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
People you know like, oh, I couldn't do the splits Now,
I'm like, no, no, I could never do that. We'll kill ourselves,
but it'll be a good video.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Lari, we have an update on Jojo Siwa, who is
probably one of the most divisive celebrities that we have
at the moment. She has gone through a lot since
Dance Mum's, you know, from her bows to her big
Crazy relaunch tour that was bigger than anything had ever
(10:34):
been done before. David Bowie like it was this big thing,
and she got made fun of a lot on TikTok.
This is actually about her new relationship. She has now
hard launched her relationship with Chris Hughes, who she met
in the Celebrity Big Brother House. Now she did an
interview with The Guardian confirming the relationship, which we kind
(10:55):
of already knew because the pictures have been all over Instagram.
They've been very loved up, but this is the first
time she's actually confirmed it as a proper relationship rather
than just a friendship, which is kind of what she
was referring to it in the past. She said, it's
a beautiful connection. It's not polatonic anymore. It's been a
(11:15):
beautiful development. I'm absolutely head over heels for him and
he's the same way. This is the bit that I
actually found really interesting. I've always told myself I'm a lesbian,
and I think being here, I've realized, oh, I'm not
a lesbian, I'm queer, and I think that's really cool.
What I really want to point out here is I
think there is criticism of her sort of making this
(11:36):
big deal about being a lesbian and then going she's
also like twenty something, Like she's just turned twenty one.
She's young. She's allowed to still be figuring herself out,
and for her to sort of, you know, maybe like
women and then also like men, that's completely fine. But
I think the controversy comes around the way that her
(11:59):
ex partner was kind of dumped like a bag of trash.
Yeah wow, like she really it really was quite sad,
and it was all playing out.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
On so public screen so publicly.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Now despite that them looking really happy and looking very
very loved up, I don't really love the way she
kind of just ditched kath EPs like it feels a
little bit hush.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like they had to go
public at their relationship a lot quicker than they had
potentially planned, just because of all the photos that have
come out. So I feel like Australia really fell in
love with Jojo Siwa over six months ago, when obviously
people knew her from dance mums and her big TV
show and her music and she's toured Australia before. But
when she started dating Kath Ebbs and it was this
(12:50):
whole love story. Kath Ebbs is a really well known
podcast stone activist in Australia and they had this love
story where they were introduced by g Flip and they
did so many like social media videos together, like heats
of tiktoks and instagrams together. They were on stage together
at events like doing line dancing because like that's something
that Kats started in Australia. And it was this really
beautiful love affair between these two people that had these
(13:12):
two separate fandoms. And so when Jojo went into the
Big Brother House, I think people were really invested in
her journey because there was this extra lay of her romance.
And then when the Chris Hughes stuff started as interesting
because Kath was posting so much, especially because when Jojo
got into House there was that whole thing with Mickey
Rourke being like absolutely awful to her, yeah, and all
(13:33):
of these things, and Kath was posting a lot. And
then they stopped posting and they later onset in their
own podcast conversations with Kath where they did like a
whole big debrief on what had happened that they just
didn't know what was going on and had to sort
of take themselves out of the public situation. And then
we found out later and again a lot of this
is coming from after this whole thing blew up, Kath
did a TikTok video, they then took it down, and
(13:56):
then only like maybe two weeks ago on their own
podcast Conversations with Kath, they did a really in depth
interview with Claire Stevens kind of taking through their side
of the story, and they said that leading into the
u K Big Brother Celebrity finale, that Kath had been
in contact with JoJo's mother, Jesslone, who a lot of
people would know as a dance mum very kind of
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embroiled in her daughter's life, and then Kath was sort
of thinking that this relationship with Chris was very much
being taken potentially out of contacts, and that's why they
flew to the UK to be there for the finale.
And then they detail what happened when they reached the UK,
how initially everything was great with Jojo, how then they
went to the after party and that's what the breakup happened.
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What happened behind the scenes, like paints a very different
picture to what Jojo had said.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
She got off the show and then as soon as
she was off camera, the welfare team took her straight
to the.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Room that I was in.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, it was really beautiful, like we hugged, we kissed,
so that I said to her, like, what do you
want to do? She was like, I'm going to go
to the after party, but you don't need to come.
My dad was like, why don't you. You've gone there
for support, You've gone there to support her, why don't
you go? So I get there, So I went straight
towards her and grabbed her and like said like, are
(15:12):
you okay? And she said no, no, no, And I
was like, oh my god, like what's happened? So she
sat down. I sat down and I just said, what's
going on, baby, Like what's wrong? And she started breaking
up with me, and then she did kind of stop
and she said, just okay, come back to the hotel
with me. And I said, and she's like we'll keep talking,
(15:33):
like you clearly have like you know, she was kind
of like, okay, clearly there's more here. Like we went
back to the hotel, we had like a five hour conversation.
She doubled down broke up with me.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I actually feel so bad for them. Can you imagine
flying all the way across the world trying to be
supportive for your partner. This is JoJo's set of first
real relationship. I imagine Kat's probably been really supportive of
her and you know, finding herself and you know the
g flip thing, and they were going to Disney World. Like,
(16:05):
I really feel sorry for them because it feels like
they put a lot into this relationship hip and were
kind of shafted. But then I also understand it from
JoJo's side, because she's twenty one and she's just trying
to figure out who she is, which is very evident
with her music. Which.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, it's interesting how it all unfolded because I think
like Jojo did a lot of press coming out of
the UK celebrity Big Brother, So she went on Nick
Viole's podcast and did that kind of big tell all,
and then Kath waited awhile and then did her side
of the story. It's interesting how those two sides come
across very differently, But I guess that's like most breakups
where everyone has their side. What I think is interesting
is like the intensity of the public response around it,
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and I think that's had a lot to do with
why Jojo and Chris have put their relationship out there
in this way, because it's interesting. Here in Australia, everyone
was a bit more kind of like, oh god, that's awful,
because they were seeing it more from kath Ebbs's side
of watching your partner go to the other side of
the world and then seemingly have this very public love story,
whereas in the UK people know Chris because he was
(17:11):
on Love Island and he's had like really public love stories,
and then Jojo, like a lot of I don't think
it's many people in UK they did know her, but
I think also like she's been in the news so
much lately, and she's always been really public with her
past romances, like she's always been a big like harden
her sleeve, this is the person I'm in love with
kind of person. So I think a lot of people
in the UK and America were more geared towards like
(17:33):
being invested in their love story. And it's interesting because
when they came out of the house, Jojo and Chris
did so many joint interviews together, and they always said
it's just platonic. Yeah, it's just we're just we're like
such good friends. I mean, Jojo did say like she
was asked point blank and she would always like laugh
in all these interviews and be like, I can't believe
people are asking us this. This is so full. I
(17:54):
think this is like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Some internalized homophobia from people. I don't know if this
is like a larger question, but like, is there a
thing where they find it more acceptable that JoJo's with
a man now or are we past that?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I think I feel like one thing under there.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I think, yeah, I think it's a few different layers here.
We have like a public love story breakup that people
are like very parasocial with, so they've chosen aside. And
I think some people are loving the scandal. But I
do think there's a big part of it of people
because it was a non binary person and at the time,
a self identified lesbian in a relationship together, people didn't
take that as seriously as if it had been like
(18:33):
a heterosexual relationship, and so when they saw her getting
with Chris, there was this thing of like Oh, it's
this beautiful fairy tale and like, of course she's in
a lesbian she just had to meet the right man.
Like that is a really disturbing thread.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And I hate that, Like, I don't love that underlying
And that's kind of something that I'm feeling a lot
of from some of the social commentary around it, which
I find more disturbing than the fact that Jojo is
perhaps queer bisexual, however she identifies that for me, is
(19:06):
probably a little bit more insidious, I feel. Whereas because
Chris is this, you know, handsome white man like he
was on Love Island, like he's a cute kid like that.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
It's not kidies in his early thirties. That's the other doubles,
And I.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Still feel, I still feel like anyone who goes on
you Love Island as a child.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. No, he's in his early thirties.
And Jojo really recently turned twenty two, which is really
imperative to this story. Yeah, because with Kath and Jojo,
there was always this underlining, we're not even underlying like
comments and things that because Kath was twenty seven when
they met and Jojo was twenty one, there was this
thing of like grooming allegations almost, which Kath addressed on
(19:48):
their podcast and said, like, that's just not what happened here,
and that's a pretty serious word to be throwing around.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And again, I think that's a bit of like internalized
homophobia year like, oh, you're grooming this poor, young, innocent
girl into being a lesbian.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Like that's yeah, that's that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Kind of hidden narrative. Where is he?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I'm not searing that as much with Chris, who's in
his early thirties and Jojo, who's just turned twenty two.
I think because it's a more acceptable, visible love story
of people being like this sweet man and this young girl,
Well they've fallen in love together. But what's been interesting
is the way they've had to sort of roll out
the press. Because my kind of thinking is that maybe
(20:27):
I was a bit naivey at the time, because maybe
at the time I was like, maybe they are just
really good friends. You just never know things things.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
For an entertainment reporter, you are.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I sometimes just really believe what's happening. Well, not that
I didn't think they didn't have like love sparks flying
in the house. I saw that. I'm an adult. I
could see it. But I also think that in these showmanceers,
it burns really hot and heavy when you're locked in
a house with someone with no access to the outside world.
And I did think that maybe it wasn't a romance
that was going to sustain itself once she went back
(20:58):
to America and he was in the UK, Like I thought,
it was potentially well could have fizzled out, which.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Is still could very well at stop being that I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But it's still going pretty so I think this is
why they had to accelerate their plans. I think their
pr plan coming out of the house was that like
especially Jojo, because she still has a very young fan base,
to the point where she and her mother Jessline put
together like a band of like young women a few
years ago because they realized that she had already aged out,
but she was going to continue to age out of
her core demo, which is really young girls. So they
(21:28):
tried to put together this group of like Mini Jojo
siwas and it went very badly. There's a lot of
stuff around, bullying, accusations, ra all that sort of stuff,
but she's still got a very young fan base, and
Chris Hughes is not so young, but he's very much
in the UK kind of tabloid sphere. So I think
when they came out of the house, now, looking back
on what we know, I think they immediately got together.
(21:49):
It was romantic straight away, but they thought they could
keep it under wraps for like six months or so
and let the dust settle and then be publicly together.
But the thing is, those kids couldn't keep their hands
off each other.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
They went on that big holiday trip to Mexico for
her twenty second birthday, and there were so many pat
pics of them kissing in the street, holding hands, them
dancing in the stud and then she posted a bunch
and they still were saying we're platonic. Every time they
did an interview. Jojo would laugh and say, we're just friends.
We're just such good friends. No one believes people can
just be friends. But then at one point she did say,
(22:22):
but I don't know what's going to happen in the future.
So clearly they were together and they were just letting
time bill, but they couldn't wait.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I am always very very hesitant of people who have
intense PDA, really like relationships where there is so much
like I love you so like really hot and heavy
intense relationships very quickly. And I people who are really
really PDA on Instagram, I don't trust it.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Well, isn't that the whole thing of like the more
couples post, the worse their relationship is behind the scenes.
I'm not saying for this. I think for this one,
they're just very online people. And they're also well she's
very young, he's he not so much, but they're very
online people. She's really caught up in the moment and
they just couldn't help. I think they threw the pr
plant out the window because they couldn't help not post
(23:11):
their photos of each other. So she's turning out. If
you've seen this clips, she's been touring the UK convenient
turning the UK doing shows and she sings Betty Davis
eyes and have you seen this? And then she's singing
and then Chris Huses seeing the back with her parents,
and instead of singing Betty Davis eyes, she sings Chris
Hughes's eyes. Yeah, but I mean it's so cute because
(23:31):
it's such a it's it's so cruel. Well, it's cute
without it. It's the kath Eb's factor, which makes it
not so cute, and also pim being like over ten
years older than her potentially being a bit smarmy. But
apart from that, it's really cute if you just put
your blinders on and don't look at any of the
outside moments. And I just think it's interesting that she
even did this Guardian interview. But I think there's they
(23:53):
also had to sort of what I'm thinking has happened.
They had to throw out the initial pr plan and
be like, Okay, we can't we can't lay low for
six months because we haven't laid low at all, and
our entire relationship is out for the world to see.
People are speculating, so we're going to have to change
tech now. But it also doesn't seem right for them
to also just put up a hosts saying yes, we're together,
even though normally Jojo was the kind of celebrity because
(24:14):
she lives more on the online world than in the
traditional media world, so normally it would be much more
I think on brand for her just to do a
video or Instagram post itself exactly. But I think in
this case, it's almost like if you tell a third party,
then it seems less like you're trying to profit off
in a way because also in this interview, she's talking
about the homophobia she faced from Mickey Rourke and the
(24:36):
public perception, all those kind of things, and when the
journalist asked her about Chris Hughes, all she's doing is
giving an honest answer of saying, like it was, we
were just friends, it's no longer like that. We're now
together and I'm so happy. She even says that, like
her cheeks are hurting every day from smiling so much.
So I just wonder if someone behind the scenes was like,
if you do it this way, it just it takes
(24:57):
away from you trying to promote it. And it's just
one part of a bigger interview. But then it's done
and there's no more speculation, And maybe that all that
kind of people trying to like out them and out
their relationship might settle down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To be young and in love.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, with a whole crazy tabloid backstory of how I
feel for kat though yeah I do too.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That is my takeaway. I feel like they have been
really I would just say to everyone it's disappointing.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, And I think also not even the JoJo's stuff, Like,
obviously that's awful watching your relationship be in the public eye.
But also people have been really aggressive and angry towards Kath,
like on TikTok, in comments all that sort of thing,
and just like aggressive in a way that I've never
seen with other more like heterosexual, heteronormative relationship breakups, almost
(25:46):
that they thought that there was some sort of nefarious
plot behind her romance, and so it is kind of
really difficult to watch for her. And I would just
say to everyone, like I would go and listen to
her conversations with Cath podcasts and get because it's a
really long conversation where they really take you through their
full experience, what they were thinking, what the social commentary
has been like. And I just think that's a really
(26:07):
important side of the story to see. And you won't
get the floor story by watching clips on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, and it's Pride month after all, so let's you know,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Well, thank you so much for listening to the show today,
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And this bill is produced by manesha Isswarren with sound
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(26:40):
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