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October 16, 2025 • 35 mins

SKIMS is back in the headlines — this time with The Ultimate Bush faux hair thong. It’s bold, it’s hilarious, and we’re unpacking whether it’s genius marketing or just straight-up bizarre.

And Kim Kardashian sat down for a long-form podcast interview this week, but there are a few questions that she skimmed over that we now need to unpack. Like what really went down between her and Tom Brady (because it sounds dramatic), why does Kris Jenner act so wildly different behind the scenes, and was she scared to admit what Kanye West really did to her?

And finally, Gwyneth Paltrow opens up about “toxic people” at Goop — and shares a funny personal moment about meeting a certain Hollywood A-lister she barely knew… so little that she didn’t even realize he was dating someone in the Kardashian clan.

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast
is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to this bill,
your daily pop culture fix.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm m Vernon.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, Kim Kardashian has
given a bit of a tell all interview talking about
some of her biggest scandals. We've got thoughts, We've got feedback,
We've got conspiracy, the feedback. I could talk about this
for hours. We're going to get into it. Plus, our
other fave, Gwyneth Paltrow has given a little chat to Vogue.
She's a shaded, a famous writer. She's commented on Timothy

(00:53):
Charalamae Kylie Jenna's relationship. We're going to get into it.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm my favorite, a lister who knows nothing about the industry.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
He knows nothing about the world around her. Here's a
little teaser for you. Two words tongue choreography. We're going
to get well, we're going to be talking about it,
so Girdas, I.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Even got your loins ready for that.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
But first you have some other Kim Kardashian News.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Speaking of getting your loins.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh my god, it actually did mean to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Kim Kardashian Breaking News has launched a brand new product
through her brand Skims. We all know Skims. They do
the shapewear. She loves getting Internet people and celebrities on
to model her lingerie. She's launched a product called the
Ultimate Bush. The technical term is the faux hair micro

(01:42):
string thong. So basically she's launched a bunch of different underwears,
apparently twelve different types lovely of thongs that have synthetic
pubic hair on the front.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
So it's like three d ra I wish we had
one here that we could like hold in her hands.
But it's like you can like run your hair. It's
not a painting of hair. Yea's like actual hair, synthetic
hair taped on.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
There's two different variations, so there's straight hair or curly hair.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Nice have heard and think of those two different options.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And there's also like twelve different I think colors is
that's the.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Right word to match? You could wear a yeah one
every day for like exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
And the reason there's so many different colors is because
the whole like slogan of this brand campaign is that
your carpet can be whatever color you want.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
That's lovely. Which one would you pick if you had
to like take one for a ride. Were you going
through and looking at the colors? Should we get some swatches? Well?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I actually thought the red looked really nice.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
But then I talked to my friend who's a natural ginger,
and she's like, that's not authentic to ginger people. Oh
so she actually didn't do her research that Well wow, okay,
well what color would you pick?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't know. You want to go something you weren't?
You weren't, So maybe I try the red or the blonde.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
What if we're like on a date and we forget
we're wearing it, we're wearing it as a joke and
we forget.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
That would be scary you fear for just a second,
or you have a little little laugh about it. That
would be a job That Puby care is obviously funny,
but having an underwear with like fake Pubby Hares stitched
onto it is a bit funny.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It is a bit funny. But also I once dated
this is such a segue. I would state that a
man who had like dark dark brown hair like probably
as brown as your hair. Blonde mustache.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh, I did not know where that was going. I
thought it was going further down to me, it wasn't.
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I stopped. You can probably guess what was further down,
but I won't let you know.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
No, But what color was it further down? Did the
blonde theme continued?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It was kind of it was kind of like a
mix of both.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh okay, interesting, Yeah, see yeah, puby hair comes in
all different colors and shades. I know some people are
losing their minds over it, which is the like kind
of the point of the campaign, like these little viral moments.
Kim Kudashian does not that like pubic hair is like
funny in any way. But I've heard, like, I've heard
a few different takes because I was kind of getting
across everyone's thoughts this morning. And yes, some people think

(03:53):
it's just like a fun thing to try. Obviously, there's
a lot of people who got rid of all their
pubic hair because it was out of it was like
the fashion to have nothing. And now some people were like, oh,
I wish I could just grow a little bit back
or try a different style.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's kind of what I did. I lasered all my
not now you.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Want it back, you could eat one of these.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, it's kind back because I got off the pill
and it was like, hey, well but it's like patch,
like it's weird, like, so you.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Like a full coverage like one of these.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I feel like with the Bush, you have to go
either full coverage or none at all, because you know
when you're in that in between stage where you're like
half shaved and it's just consistently itchy and like goes
red and like you're shaving.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
No, you need to go full book.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's comfy, like it's nice, it's gentle.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
It's gentle. Not you do it just like sold out
in two hours, Like no, I'm sure it did. I
mean that's the whole kind of point of these. Kim Kardashian.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's like a shock value campaign.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, and it's two sides of it. So I think
with this kind of thing, I've seen like a few
different takes on it, and one is like some people
in like the non binary or transgender community say that
like things like this on the market that help you
be in the body that you want to be in,
or like self affirmed gender are really nice and there's
lots of places that sell different things like this that
aren't sort of like a gimmick. But obviously there's also

(05:00):
like a gimmick factor with skins because Kim Kardashian loves
a viral moment about herself and her company. So as
you were saying, she often gets in, like whoever is
the star of the moment, She'll get them to come in.
Like when Sabrina Cartmaner was having a moment, she got
her and really quickly when the Mahomes were having like
one of their big moments, you know that the.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Football Company and Megan Fox.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, exactly when they were like kissing everywhere, She's like
gets them in. So she's really good at that. But
also she likes to sell these little have these little
drops of products that are just there for shock factor.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
And it works right because, like Emma Greed has talked
about it before, who's her co founder and her husband's CEO.
They did the exact same thing with the nipple bra,
and I'm like, yeah, the last time I talked about
skims was when the nipple bra.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, we all start talking about so the nipple bra,
the Pierce nipple, remember that one. And I think they
only do a really small drop of stoff, which is
why they sell out really quickly. But while everyone's on
the side and on the skims socials, they're gonna buy
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Oh my god, are we gonna get some tried and tested?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well they've sold out.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I feel like I feel like I find a way we.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Make her own little arts and graphs corner the spill
Ultimate Bush. Yeah, you guys can buy our line. Do
you have any old toys you want to cut up
or anything like that? Or but I've got so many
of my old hair extensions I got.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Your hair extensions would be iconic.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
They're real human hair. Maybe that's worse. Maybe that's worth
too much, too far, too much. Okay, we'll just work
on this line. We're we're not very good business with it.
Stay tunned, Lana Well, speaking of Kim Kardashian, just the
way she likes.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
It, exactly what she wants.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
When she goes hard with Press, she goes hard. She
knows that when she's got products to It's almost like
how Taylor Swift will saying the other day, like if
you're saying my name or the name of my product.
Then you're helping. I feel like in a lot of ways,
Kim Kardashian, that's just like how good business people.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And she always does it when another sister's doing something.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Well, I mean, they're always all doing things.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
But Kylie Jenna just released on music video singing for
the first time.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I know, but there wears I'm in singings.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I mean, it's not her debut. We all know her
debut was Ras and Shine.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's not like the first time you game on this
bill to do that.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
The first guys, guys, guys, if you're a longtime listener,
law the first ever time I came on the spill
was when you and Kiris were hosting and you just
got me on randomly to talk about I think you
just I just needed something to do.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
And You're like, oh no, we wanted to come and
do like a roundup of viral moments, which I'm like
bringing that segment back. That was fun. It was just
you talking about like five different random things in the
space of two minutes.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know how much like time and preparation I put
into that, did you?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
You sounded very like pro out for you.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It took me like an a first I had to
pitch to both of you. Did you to pitch to
both of you what I wanted my things to be?
And then you choose them, and then I go away
and then research and I had to get all of
these five things down in two minutes. I'm like, God,
those are the days, okay when I put effort into
my work and look at you and rise and Chine
was the first thing I talked about. Yes, and I
even practiced so much.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I mean it did make it into the club of
that podcast episode, so you sounded amazing. But yes, it's
really Kimcutshion who's taken over the new cycle. Well, I
mean we covered Kylie a lot this week, Like she
had her moment, she had the video, she had the song,
she had the launch of her ten year collection.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I think got her fair share of spill coverage.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes she did. But at the moment, it's all about
Kimberly Noel Kardashian and her many projects.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
So she went on the call I going to say,
and her many husbands and many a lot of this
podcast walk about.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yes, she wanted to call her Daddy podcast. It's almost
like she'll do any podcast. At the moment, I don't know.
Is that a spoiler for something coming up?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Poooo?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Who could say? Anyway, she went to call her Daddy podcast,
and there's a lot of kind of interesting things to
take away from it. I felt like one of the
reasons all these slubs go and call her daddy is
a lot of them are like, Oh, I just wanted
to come and have like a fun chat, and I
just wanted to like have an authentic conversation, and this
is like it's like it's like a fun, little viral thing,
and a lot of the time it is. But I
feel like it was a lot of very intense questions

(08:59):
and I was like watching it. I was watching the
video and I feel like halfway through Kim was like,
I don't know if I signed up for this.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
That's what I was wondering, because the questions were so deeply,
deeply person no like questions I've never ever seen her
being asked before, but like stuff that I guess everyone
was always wondered. So I thought I would assume that
these questions would have been vetted by her team.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
And I'm sure there were. And the thing is there
weren't any. There were definitely bigger things that weren't talked about,
and I'm sure there was that conversation beforehand of what
was a no go and what wasn't. It's stuff that
she has. When I say big reveals, it's just more
like the way she talked about it, It wasn't any
It wasn't any new information, if that makes sense, because
most of the time when we get info from Kim Kardashian,

(09:40):
it's her doing the confessionals on The Kardashians, so she
does share a lot of personal information, or it's her
being filmed talking to her family members or friends, So
we do get a lot of personal information from her,
but I guess it's in the context of the show.
And then when she does interviews, which she doesn't do
as many interviews anymore as she used to, because I
guess now her platform is so much bigger than a
lot of media companies that she can kind of release information.

(10:05):
But there were a few little takeaways, So yeah, at
the top, there would Alex Cooper, the host, was just
going through and like listing all these different scandals and
getting her to respond to them. What was your thoughts
on that?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I thought that was very clever from an interviewer point
of view, like she started off the interview very very
light and was doing like a lot of kiss kill Mary,
your thiry exes, and then the questions that Kim didn't
want to answer, she had to like pull out of
a jar and like it would be like text this
family member yes, which was like the thing that Kim

(10:35):
wanted to do. She'd be like, I can text anyone.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I was interested in what she answered and what she
didn't because there was a few kind of just like
fun questions like where's the weirdest place you've ever had sex?
And she's like in a movie theater? And she tooked
like she was just talking about like taking a painting class. Yeah,
she was like, and it was fun. And I was like, wait,
which movie theater. Are you talking about your home movie
theater that you own, or are you talking about that
yeah exactly, or are you talking about the public movie.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I want points on George Street, That's what I Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
If you're going to do it, go hard in a
really public place. But then she was asked about dating
Tom Brady, and normally she does talk about who she's dating,
and she straightaway said, I'm not answering that.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's what I wonder if they were more serious than
people think, because that only became a big deal when
she said I'm not answering that it is the only
time she just flat down shut it out.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I didn't even I didn't even know they actually properly.
I thought it was a rumor.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Well, that's what I will know. I think they definitely
it was out in the world that they dated, but
I just thought they maybe like potentially went on a
few dates, or it was like a really low key hookup.
Like if you ask me about Kim's celebrity boyfriends, I
wouldn't even put Tom Brady in the mix. And as
soon as she said I'm not talking about it, it
kind of made me think, was it more serious, did
something bigger happen or did they kind of it is

(11:51):
here a bit precious And they went out once or twice,
and he was like, just so you don't never speak
about me. Has something happened with Gizelle? Like I don't
know if I have so many questions.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Giselle and her what martial arts.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah boyfriend, Well, like don't talk about it in the
public about app but yeah, something has definitely happened there.
For that to be the only question that she didn't
want to answer. You all thought was interesting is when
you know how she was prank calling her family members.
If she didn't want to answer a question, then she
had to call them with a lie. That Alice Cooper
had when she called Chris Jenna was so interesting to
me because she called her pretending that TMZ had contacted

(12:24):
her and that something was going to be leaked. And
when Chris Janna gets on my phone, her voice is
so sharp, in business like, and she's like, what tell
me what happened? What is it? Tell me what happened?
What is it? And so yeah, she's so hardcore. And
as soon as because Kim's dying laughing and she can't speak,
and as soon as she goes, mom, I'm joking, I'm
on the Call of Daddy podcast, it's like Chris Janna

(12:45):
flipped a switch and she instantly went into her the
Kardashians performer mode and she's like, ahh you girls, it's
so crazy. I haven't even had a cocktail yet. We
got a glimpse of Chris yeah, and I was like, oh,
now you're putting on the show of like I'm just
the mom in the background having a cocktail, like and
this is like, no, you were full on like manager mode.

(13:05):
Then she was like telling you tell me who I
have to kill.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I was annoyed that Kim started laughing. I'm like, no,
I neither hear. You do see.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Moments like that come out on the Kardashians, But I
think it's really balanced. Most of what you see with
Chris when she's not talking about working, a lot of
it is like, yeah, her and her like bath tub,
her having a cocktail the afternoon, her hanging out, her
like saying that she wants to like you know, be
besties with her daughters and all this kind of stuff.
Her doing dress up parties, Like I think she's really
pushing that, like Amy Poehler and ming girls.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Even like some of the text messages because she was
reading out all the like bits of like text messages
consent and it was so telling which one she chose
not to do where like one of them was like
text Kendall and ask her if bad Bunny can be
on the next like skims campaign. Kim was like, hmm,
that's funny.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
What else, Yeah, that's because everyone thinks they pretty much
are back together.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, And then like her doing that will obviously be
like such a tell because like the whole thing was
be like Kendall's response to that. But yeah, I thought
that was really interesting and then it kind of leant
into her more like personal life. I feel like the
biggest takeaway from this whole interview was her talking about
her relationship with Kanye and like how she parent to children.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, and that is always a difficult thing I think
for her to speak about.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
She says so many times, I'm like on the Kardashians
and interviews that she'll never say anything bad about him
because he's the father of her children. But at the
same time, I think this was this moment where she
kind of just wanted to get a bit of her
start of the story out there, and she talks at
the fact that when he is spreading rumors about the
family and saying terrible things to her family behind the scenes,

(14:43):
but also saying things about their children, which he has
done publicly, especially North, their oldest daughter, he has said
a few things about her publicly, and Kim pretty much
says that it was her reason for ending their nearly
fifteen year relationship, where she was like, I can put
up with so much, and when he started to show
signs of mental health issues, my first thing to do.
I think she's really good at kind of realizing who

(15:04):
she is in a relationship, and she's like, I'm a
really good partner, Like when I'm in it with you,
I'm in it with you. But when he started saying
things publicly about our kids, when the situation got too
messy and dangerous behind the scenes, when he started saying
bad things about my family, is when I had to
end it.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, And she even talked about how she knew that
she could only be a good mother if she ended
it because she wanted to show her children like that's
not an okay relationship.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I totally get that, which.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Was so so fair. But what also like it kind
of like made me a bit emotional when she was
talking about how she was just going on and on
and she really wanted to cement the fact that every
time Kane is asked to see the kids or look
after the kids, she always says yes, which is like
so important to say because the narrative in the media

(15:52):
has always been like Kims keeping the kids from Kanye
because that's what he's been saying.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
There was that time remember when he was very active
on socials. Remember he was having like quite a heightened episode,
and that's like the words of his family and friends
and like people who were with him at the time.
And he was posting all of those big statements about
Kim Kardashian and the kids and being like, she's stolen
my kids, she's kidnapped them. And Kim didn't say anything,
but one day she did comment underneath and she was like,

(16:19):
please stop saying this. You just took them to school
like an hour ago. You can see them after school.
Please stop posting this. And then I thought it was
also interesting, especially when Alex Cooper said, like, how is
it like co parenting and she was like, what do
you think co parenting with West is like? But then
she said that he hasn't contacted them in two months,
and she's like, she's and you can see that's the

(16:40):
longest pause in the interview when she says, like, when's
the last time he saw the kids, And you can
see Kim thinking, thinking, thinking, because she's she knows whatever
she's going to say, it's going to be a big headline.
But then also she's going to have to potentially deal
with the fallout from Kanye West and his team and
stuff if they say something back, so you can see
that she's thinking, and then she's like, it's been a
couple of months since we've heard from him, not even

(17:02):
since we've seen him. That's with four little kids, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's so insane. And even the fact that she like
it comes from a place with her going, I want
my kids to have a relationship with their father, which
is why she always says that every time he asks
to see them, like she flies them out, yeah, and
like gets them to be with him because I always
want him to be in their lives. But at the
same time, she is like the full time care and

(17:29):
she's like when there are like moments of when it's
really really bad, she doesn't stop him from seeing them,
but she'll be like, why don't we see them? Like
why don't you come to.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
My house so that they can be in there?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yes, they can be in the same environment.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And you can even see that as she was saying that,
she then tried to sort of not cover it up,
but she tried to kind of like soften the blow,
I think for how that would sound to the public,
because then she said, but the children always knew, like
from a very young age, that their father is someone
who travels all the time, lives in different cities, works
on different projects. So I think she was trying to say, like,
it's not like he's it's not jarring.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, she was trying to say, like he just works
away and the kids know that and stuff. But it
was very yeah, and even talking about like some of
the stuff that would kind of happen his mood swings
that she has talked a little bit about before. And
I think I wonder if she is so aware of
that documentary that came out. You know, we talked about
the fact that all that footage came out of him
screaming at her and her sobbing, which is something we

(18:23):
would never see on the Kardashians. I wonder if because
all that footage is out in the world, that she
maybe felt a little bit more emboldened to speak about
what happened in their marriage. It gave her permission because
she was saying things like she'd wake up every day
just not knowing what he was going to do. She said,
they had all these Lamborghini cars, and she came out
one day and they were just all gone, yeah, which
I know is obviously not a problem most people have,

(18:45):
but I think it's like you could put that in
anyone's kind of life of something and there.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Like imagine if like she saw that while she was
taking the kids to school and they just didn't have
any cars and.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
He had just given away to all these friends, and
then like he got the cars back, then he gave
him away again. And I don't think it's about the cars.
It's about I think that's probably just maybe the safest
thing she could say. I think it was she was
just saying, like every day I was living with a
different person. I never knew what he was going to do.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, And the fact that she always felt like she
was being blamed for it, Like she even talked about
how people would say that he only started going through
this when he married her. I'm like, that is so
harmful to say to someone, especially someone who exactly what
you said. She says, I'm a partner, I will go
through it with you. And they were together for years,
like over a decade, and they had four children together,

(19:28):
and it's exactly what she said. It's not a failed relationship,
like they still have relationship.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's just different Oh yeah, I don't think fifteen years
and four kids is a failed relationship.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
All.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Look, I was out here defending all like Nicole and
Keith and now Kim and Kanne and defending them. Yeah. Overall,
it was like I thought it was like a super
interesting interview, and you know, I thought it was so cute.
This is something I just really love about Kim Kutter.
She is how much she just believes in true love.
Shed she married, She's she was having a custom wedding
dress made by one of her favorite designers, just to

(19:57):
have in case had happened. And she's after she and
Kanye split up, she renovated the house that they had
built together, and she built a wardrobe in her bedroom
for her future husband because she wanted to make sure
that she talks it in this interview, the fact that
she's been single for a long time, and North really
rags on her for it.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
You're not like, might be getting old, you need to
start getting married.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
But she also said some of the nice ways She's like, Mom,
it's okay if you want to date someone like kind
of you know, kind of thing. But I just think
that's that's really sweet that she's got like she's got
the wedding dress ready to go. She's got the wardrobe
for this guy to share, ready to go.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
See it's cool and she does it. If I did it, No.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
It would be cool if you did it. She also
like her person's out there. I think that's really nice.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
It is nice. It's really cool when she says it.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
I think you need to go get a wedding dress
made and build an extra closet in your home and
like do the Kim Kardashian manifesting way of life of like,
if you build it, he will come.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Okay, you got mean.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
So we've really been blessed with some fun interviews this week.
Moving on to our good power Gwyneth Paltrow, who has
done an interview with Vogue magazine and one of the
first things that the writer asked her about, which she
has talked a little bit about but not in depth
since it came out, is the Gwyneth Paltrow biography that
she declined to be interviewed for, written by Amy O'Dell.

(21:16):
What do you mean she declined to be Amy Odell
who wrote the Anna Wintour biography, And it's like a
really want no one celebrity biographer. She wrote a book
about Gwyneth Paltrow, and she reached out to Gwenny's team
and Gwyneth didn't want to be interviewed, which just happened
quite a bit. So obviously Amy wrote the book just
speaking to people, but no one in Gwenno's immediate circle
and not Gwenneth herself. And up until now she said

(21:37):
that she's been like a little bit unbothered by it.
But the journalist said, it's the only time in this
whole long ranging interview where he's like, she dropped her
signature mirth and her frustration showed through. She said she
didn't read it, but her husband, Brad Brad read it well,
she said. She said he skimmed through it.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
He read it, He read it. He's so rare. I mean,
I'm sure read it and memorized it.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I'm sure. At first he was just looking for
her because she didn't want to read it, and he
was like, babe, i'll read it and i'll tell you
if there's anything we can sue for. And he picked
it up and you just know he's pretending to flick
through it. And the moment she went out to her
garden to get some kale.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
He was like, the minute she went to the garden,
he is like turning on the bathwater. Yeah, sleeping in there,
putting his glasses on, glass of wine. He's enjoying that book.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
So this is what she said to Vogue about it.
So the writer said that he didn't want to say
anything bad about another writer, but you can tell that
he didn't like it either. And then he said to Gwyneth, like,
what do you think? And she said boring with a
devastating indifference. That's how the writer said. She said it.
And then she said, so my husband flicked through it
because I was like, what the hell is this? And

(22:44):
then he said this is so she's she's saying that.
Brad said this okay. Brad said, it's as if somebody
put a prompt into chat GPT and said, mine every
daily mail article and write a biography about Gwyneth Paltrow.
She totally missed everything, the truth of who I am
and what my impact is. And he was like, it's bad.

(23:04):
It's really badly written. And then she said, I saw
all the stuff in People magazine and other outlets. Sat
picked it up and it was all rubbish. The things
that I supposedly said, wait a minute, what do you Yeah,
what's your thought on that.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
She didn't contest it?

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Well, I'm sure she wasn't going to go through and
say yes and no. But I think, like, yeah, she's
obviously not. She's just saying that. It's basically she's saying,
there's so much juicier stuff, but you guys don't order
a ship rider. I mean, yeah, this is not true. Well,
I'm just like, well, Gwyneth, if you say you've lived
a bigger life and there's juicier stuff than where is it?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well we know she where's a bigger life. She just forgets.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
She does forget. She forgets, like I.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Always think about that interview. No she did that like
cooking thing with John Farrow. Yeah, she like completely forgot
she was in Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
That is I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
And he's like, Gwyneth, we acted together, and she's like, no,
we did it. She was so certain she was not
in Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
It is so funny because, Okay, my only defense of
Gwyneth Paltrow in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I actually think
she's quite good in it. But they film a lot
of that stuff secretly out of order. So if she
gets told that she's got to go to a secret
location and film a scene with Robert Downey Jr. I
do understand that in her mind she does, and it's

(24:17):
filmed years before anything comes out. I do understand that
in her mind she doesn't know which movie or scene
that's fitting into.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I don't even think she knows how she's related to
Robbie do No, I know.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
She does it at all. It's funny because in that when.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
He's like dying on the ground and she's like, I
think I'm your sister, You're like, no, you'll.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Love it, Emily. That's a really important scene. She's a
great actress in it. She knew what was happening.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
She has no idea what's happening.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
She knows her characters. She knows Pepper's connection to Ironman,
but nothing else. That's what I think it is, because
these flues, it's the adventurepecially because you know, especially because
they're all just in the dots and stuff. Very few
of them are in their costumes. So she's like, who's
that random man?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And Chris Evans like hey, gwenned and she's like hi.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
She does that all the time, and the only person.
So yeah, in that cooking clip you're talking about where
he's like, we're in Spider Man. She's like no, and
he's like, no spider Man. He's like, I make the
movies I know. And she's like, I wasn't in a
Spider Man movie. It's a girl. You're actually quite a
big part.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
You were. You were a massive role in that. You
were like a mentor to people.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
So all the other Avengers just laugh it off when
Gwenneth doesn't know who they are, except Sebastian Stan. Sebastian
Stan gets so angry because they were at an event
together and they were filmed and she says hello to him,
and he's like being really nice to her. He's like, hey,
my co star and I've been in so many movies
with He's.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like remember my name.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Remember and she's like we should work together and he's.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Like, we have worked together eight movies together.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
And then another time they were at a different event
and she was introduced herself on camera and she's like,
we should work together. He's like, we worked.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's please.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
So she in this New Vogue interview, which is a
lot talking about this movie Marty Supreme, which obviously we
haven't seen it yet, but when those invites to the
premiere come through.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
We met her.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
We need to cancel everything because apparently it's going to
win every Oscar. That's I be really buzz Like. People
think that Gwyneth Paltrow hasn't acted in so long. She's
come back to acting to do this movie with Timothy
Challabay Marty Supreme, and people are like, she's going to
win another Oscar. I don't know for sure, but that
is the word on the.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Street, another Oscar. I actually were.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Her speech is going to be so good.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
She's going to be like, I don't know who any
of you are, but please sign up to my newsletter Goop.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yes, Like, if you want to hear my acceptance speech,
go to goop dot com. Ye, look in here, give
me your data, and then you can read my full speech.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
If you become a member, you'll hear the speech twenty
seconds earlier than they else.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
It would actually be a nice full circle moment because
when she did win her Oscar for Shakespeare in Love,
very famously, she got up on stage and just had
a complete breakdown when she was really young, and she
was sobbing, and everyone made fun of.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Her and so little purple dress.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, it was a pink ball gown was lilac. No,
it was pink, very famously pink because people made fun
of it. It's a bit ill fitting, like this pink
ball gown. And then she I don't know what you're thinking.
I tried to do something I did. You're like, I
don't know what she's talking about. And then she was
wearing that diamond necklace that was as of dollars, and

(27:28):
then people were bragging on her because she's like, Daddy's
gonna buy me the necklace. I was like, just she's
she's a rich Hollywood princess. Let her live.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, and also he did.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And then it was like she was a heroine from
a Jane Austen novel because she was so embarrassed after
she won that Oscar of how people were mocking her
for sobbing on stage that she took to her bed
for a month. I mean, Sam, same, she could take
to my bed for a month.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
How can we take to our bed and still get baths?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I know that's all we got to figure out.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I could do the spill from our beds.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I would actually love that. Guys, stay tuned that one's
gonna be amazing. So in this interview, she's talking about
Marty Supreme, which she acts in with Timothy Chalamey, who
apparently is also going to get his first oscar for
this movie.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, we've been saying that for years.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
No, no, no, no, one really thought he was gonna
win last time, but this time it's.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
It was a bad movie.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I mean no, Well, Adrian Brodie were so locked in,
like everyone was like that, like they knew before loss.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
And he already had ten minutes speech prepared and.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
They like to give it to younger men when they
as they were kind of like, he's still pretty young
to du But so Marty's Supreme. I think Marty's like
Timothy Chell Mad's. I get, I haven't seen it. It's
like a poker player or something like that. But he
and Gwyneth Paltrow have a bit of a steamy relationship,
and that's how people first heard about the movie and
those pat pics that came out of them, like making
out the Street. I do remember, Yeah, you didn't think

(28:44):
they want to show me sexy? No, I mean, do
you want to see them? I thought you, I thought
you already knew.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, But I don't find both of those people like
sexy people.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
You don't find either of them sexy. I no, no,
I think Gwyneth Paltrow can be a bit sexy.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think she's like Hollywood sexy, but personally she's not
my type of sexy. Oh okay, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Mean it depends which movie you're watching. I guess not
Paltrow sitting in her house talking about bone Broth, but
like some of her movies.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yes, Oh, do you think you'll bring Apple as a guest?

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean maybe. Well, here's what she said about the movie.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
People's gonna be pushing everyone off the red tarpet.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I forgot about your vendet or against Apple marks.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm gonna be like pushing everyone away. She'd be like
Timothy get out.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Maybe she won't want to see this movie because this
is what they said in the article, is that Gwyneth
has previously hinted that viewers can expect a whole lot
of sex from this movie Marty Supreme when it comes
out on Christmas date, comes to Christmas Day, you take
your parents to see it? Absolutely not, And she said
that one of the things to look out for one
of these sexy scenes is the way they kiss and

(29:47):
the way they do other things because they had very
extensive tongue choreography, so they have like their tongues had
to rehearse together of where they were to go.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
What are you don't believe I.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Was talking about mercans and now you're worried.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
About hate thinking about that?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Really? Okay, you've got to You've got to get your sister.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
And then the co was like, now move your tongue
to the ryd and they're like, a now move it up, and.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
They're like, is that your impression of Gwyneth Paltrow and
Timothy Chalamee making out?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
That's my impression of someone being choreographed. They're like with
their tongues like that, that's what actors do. I mean
to go to our YouTube channel if you want to
see and doing. If I had to see it, so
to the rest of you.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
So she was asked about Timothy in this Vogue story
and then she goes sees she's very aware sometimes she said,
everyone makes fun of me.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Wait wait, back to the tongue koke.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Okay, sure what other questions?

Speaker 2 (30:43):
What I was doing is what they like, we was
actually not even good, Like how do you but then
what does that mean tongue choreography.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Well, he was. She would probably say, like the choreographer
would probably it's really unsettling that you're doing what you're
doing with your tongue. I'm trying to talk to you,
is that. He would probably say, Now, Gwyneth, you like
push your tongue out and like start like circling around
Timothy's mouth, and Timothy, Timothy, you send your tongue out
to Gwyneth and then like wrap them around together, and
then his tongue's going on to yours and then maybe

(31:11):
his like tongue over her face. I mean, I don't know,
but I'm just saying, you get a whole choreographer in there,
it's gonna be like a dance.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
What if you're run out a surviva.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm sure they have people on set for that, and
just get dry tongue. I'm sure they have people on
set first, right, just spray Timothy's mouth and like moist
in his tongue. I mean see that. Well, you're going
to see it because we're going to go to this movie.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
The difference between this plot line and the plot line
of what's the other the Anne Hathaway one.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Oh, I know, I think they're different.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
And then one of the col Kidman one.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yes, it is in that vein of like an older
woman younger man, but we don't know the full plot yet.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And the other the col Kidman one.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, it's like it's an interesting kind of time and
cinema at the moment.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But this one is the Oscar one.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah the hell. I don't know why this one's the
Oscar one because there must be a bigger story behind it.
I don't know. Don't mean that fan of movie I
haven't seen yet.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
What do you mean August Moon was a huge storyline.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
That is not the name of that movie. It's the
idea of you and you weren't gonna see it. That's
the name of the bear end in the movie. And
I don't think you should be critiquing that movie because
you forgot your glasses in the cinema.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Critiquing that movie. I'm saying that this is going to
be Oscar worthy. They all should have been Oscar worthy,
especially the zach Efron one that was good.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
What a family affair that was?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
The other baby Girl that was also that should have
been osc worthy.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well, I think they thought it was meant to be anyway. Sorry,
nothing gotten to the rest of the story yet.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I just hope this brings something different to the table.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, I can't wait to you when I go to
the Marty Supreme premiere. You stn up in your seat
and be like, there's the tongue choreography that's happening. So
in this British Rogue article, Gwyneth Paltrow says, everyone makes
fun of me because I don't know anything, but you
don't go. It's like she's talking directly to you.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And I'm not making fun of you. I'm stating a fact.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
She says, well, no, she's agreeing with you. And she
says when she first met Timothy Chalameay, she was trying
to be friends with him, and she said, do you
have a girlfriend, And he.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Said, I do. All you have to do is literally
google his name and it's the first thing that comes O.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I know. But she's gone with Paltrow, she doesn't google,
that's true, and he said I do. And then she
said later on he said, and she has two kids.
And this is when I'm going to Paltrow's like, I'm
going to talk this young man up. I'm gonna make
him feel okay about this situation, and she said that
is so cool. I really love to hear that from
a young man. And then she said to the magazine,
I understand a forty five year old who has his

(33:25):
own kids going out with a woman who has kids.
But it's such a cool choice to go out with
a young woman who has two kids. And she's like,
I really really respect it. I think it's kind of
punk rock actually, oh, which is nice. And later on
she goes, I didn't know it was Kylie Jenner. She
was thinking, he just found this young single mom like
the burbs of LA with two kids, and he was yeah,

(33:49):
and they call him daddy timidate, and she just did
had no idea that it was billionaire Kylie Jenner.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
That she was referring to it well done.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, She's like, it's actually a bit dating a woman
with children. On the it's actually a bit punk rock
when you think about it.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
She has the youngest billionaire.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah. She was trying to be so supportive, which I
think is fun. She had no idea even though Kylie
Jenner was sitting at the Oscars with him and the
Golden Globes and the Emmys and every film festival.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
In the world. We all know they're together, except Gwyneth,
except Gwyneth. Imagine living that like a life like that.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I actually love the idea of that, just not knowing anything,
we have to know too much, not.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Knowing anything but also knowing enough.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I would have loved if Kylie had come to set
one day, which she might have been Gwenda's just might
have no idea. If Kylie had come to set one
day and she'd be like, oh my god, you're so brave,
all that lovely single mom, he's dating, good on you
keep trying.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh my god, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
And timoth Day was like, yeah, my girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
That's my girlfriend, Kylie Jenner.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
You might know a lot to unpack from that small
so she love her, you love Gwyneth? Yeah, yeah, so yeah.
She she hates Amy Odell. She doesn't know who Kylie
Jenner is, but she's a big fan of tongue choreography is.
I think the takeaways great and I'm really proud of
Vogue for bringing all of those things to our attention.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh my god, I cannot wait for her Oscar Wins.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I can't wait to finally sign up to group.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I see he has accepted I don't even care what
the movie is gonna be. I just want her to
win the Oscar.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, okay, let's start this campaign now.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
No one watched the movie.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Can someone keep confilm a cultural break in her whole life?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
She's been through a lot. Thank you so much for
listening to the Spill today. Make sure you follow us
on TikTok and Instagram and send us a DM. We
love hearing from you and we will be back in
your feeds right and early tomorrow with Weekend Watch. The
Spill is produced by Militias Wirreen with sound production by
Scott Stronik and we will see you then. Bye bye.
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