November 30, 2025 • 33 mins
The first round of official Oscar predictions are here, and there are some surprising movies and actresses in the mix.
And Millie Bobby Brown has spoken about her relationship with co-star David Harbour for the first time in depth since it was alleged that she made an official complaint about him while filming the show. Now it’s time to dissect exactly what she said.
A newly unsealed email from the legal dispute between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni has revealed new details about a meeting that allegedly took place between Baldoni, Lively, and her husband, Ryan Reynolds while Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman were allegedly in the room. Allow us to decipher what this all means and exactly what the email said.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassania lu Kitch
and coming up on the show today, we all have
been devouring the new season of Stranger Things. There has
been quite the scandal evolving behind the scenes, and they
have been racing to cover it up during the press too.
We're going to get into that because one of the
biggest stars of the show who's involved in the scandal
(00:39):
has now given us a little insight into what she
thinks is happening. Plus, there are some new unsealed emails
from the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni court case, and
this email pulls Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman right back
into the phrase. We're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But first, well, the Oscars race is heating up.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We know that the nominations don't come out until January,
but we do have some very exciting predictions. So Variety,
Hollywood Reporter, all of the big public have kind of
put out their list of suspected nominations and there's some
really good ones in there and a few that might
actually surprise you. So we'll go through a couple of
(01:18):
the ones that have gotten the most predictions for nominations
and then you can kind of gear up and find
something to watch over Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, it's important to note that, like anyone can make
Oscar predictions, but these are the trade publications. They have
journalists who their whole like kind of yearly beat is
to be on these awards shows circuits, so they're not
just predicting from a critics point of view of what
they like or from an audience point of view, because
the only people who can vote for the Oscars are
the people in the academy, and you can only vote
(01:47):
your section, so actors the actors, directors for directors, and
so their whole thing is talking to the people behind
the scenes who are doing the actual voting, which is
what I always find so interesting that like, sometimes when
there are big shocks of the Oscars, it's like it's
a shock from a fan point of view, But if
you had read these publications beforehand, and the people in
the room, they always know who's going to win everything,
(02:08):
like there's rarely a shock.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So there are a couple of even predictions for winners
already but Variety basically they are going to update their
predictions every Thursday, so they keep it kind of continues
rolling right up until the awards. So the top five
leaders in the films, we've got one Battle after another,
which is the Leonardo DiCaprio film Sinners, which is the
(02:30):
Michael B. Jordan horror film Hamnet, which is the Shakespeare
hammesk Jessey Buckley, Frankenstein of course, Jakober Lordie, and then
Wicked for Good which we all know obviously, and Sentimental Value,
which is with stelling Scar's guard Elf Fannings in it
as well. So one Battle after another is Variety's pick
(02:52):
for the winner of Best Picture.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So have you seen this movie yet?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes? And it is incredible, And I mean, look, there's
a lot of movies on that list. I haven't seen
Sentimental Value yet, and I haven't seen Hamnet yet, but
I have the screenings for those in my diary. Rat
to Go Be is they're going to be the big
Oscar contenders. It's hard to think of anything pushing one
Battle after another out of the race now, which is
kind of annoying because it's gonna it makes for a
less exciting Oscars run. When you kind of know that
(03:18):
it's gonna sweep all of the directing, editing, scripting and
probably take Best Picture. Like it doesn't feel like anything
else can touch it, which is kind of annoying because
if it was any other year, Wicked for Good was
kind of like they would kind of promise that award
slot last year, Like that was the kind of vibe
when you hear what people were saying in the room,
(03:38):
like they were all just waiting for the second movie
to come out, and then one battle after another has
kind of come in and knocked all of that out.
It'll be more interesting to see how it goes and
all the acting categories, but it looks like Tiana Taylor
M's edge, Ariana Grande out of the Wicked for Good
Best Supporting Actress slot.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, so look a lot of people there were some
critics who were saying that Wicked for Good, you know,
it hasn't got as higher praise is the first one.
It probably won't get Oscars, but really it actually still
is in high contention for a lot of those technical
categories like production design or costume design, and Ariana and
Cynthia look like they still will get none.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
D they'll get nominated. It's whether or not. Especially the
Lead Actress category is gonna be pretty I'd stacked this year.
Sinner's is the interesting one for me because I kind
of assumed that it would take a lot of the
big technical categories, and I know there's some like Best
Original Song nominations in there. My biggest thing is like,
will they give the Will they give it some acting awards,
because it feels like it should have that, but the
(04:35):
Academy notoriously doesn't like to reward anything Horror. Frankenzein's a
little bit different because it's it's kind of based on
a classic book, and it's del Toro and it's practical
effects on all these things. Whereas I think Sinners was
one of the best movies of the year, and if
it wasn't for the Oscars hating horror, it would be
up for all the big awards.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I hate horror so much so I have refused to watch,
like I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Watch Get Out because I know people were so But the.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
People are Oscars. That's not why they're not. They're what.
They don't hate these movies because they're scared. I know
they don't think that they're a vale art form in
the way that a drama is. But also they don't
think of a valid art form as comedy either, so
it's like you can't it's only drama, which is this.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A sort of way One battle after another is slightly
surprising because even though it is a drama, it's still
a black comedy, like there is still comedic value to it,
and seeing Leo in that role is quite different for
him to get potentially nominated again for that. But the
Sinner's category Sinners doing really really well.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Michael B.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Jordan was incredible in that movie, as I understand it,
because I didn't say yet.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well he plays he plays two Lee characters. Yeah, huge
for him.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So it's just interesting because often as well, the Academy
doesn't appreciate musicals either.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, they appreciate the correct kind of musical that like
the old school Broadway and then adapted to a movie.
They like those. They don't like a new music hall,
which is it's getting better.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
La La land.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I guess, yeah, but they only like that because they
like movies about themselves. I love a Hollywood movie. They're
like a little petulant bunch of kids. I will say,
like they I've added a lot more diversity to the
voting categories over the years, so every year it's getting
a little bit better. So every year we might get
like a few extra kind of different movies in the
mix that wouldn't normally be there, but they usually they're
still pretty straight down the line.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Of foot they yet Sentimental Value is like very much
Oscar's Bay. So Sentimental Value is coming out on the
twenty fifth December in Australia. This is like classic Oscars movie.
It's a drama. It's stellen Skar's Guard. It's in Norwegian,
Swedish and English. It's very serious. Quite frankly, it looks
really boring to me, but apparently it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. I am going to
a screening scenes or report back, but it is. And
the fact that it's been dropped in this prime Oscars
time of year as well, just before the voting and
conversations really kicks off, it's like completely positioned it as
an Oscars movie. I mean, el Fanning is probably going
to get a nomination, so that'd be fair.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They are predicting her.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What I found interesting in the Best Actress category, where
we're seeing Cynthia Rivo is that the majority of the
predictions are smaller actors we're not talking about. You know,
these veteran actors normally hold that space. You know, Jesse
Buckley for Hamnet, Chase Infinity for one Battle after another.
You know, these are some fairly early actors in their
(07:20):
careers getting these awards. There is a bit of a
spig talk about Kate Hudson in Song Sung Blue.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, that's kicking away with critics who have seen it. Again.
I'm seeing that in two weeks, so I'll let you
guys know what I think of the oscars in that case. Yeah,
some people think Kate Hudson. I mean, I haven't seen
Hamnet yet. Again, it's on the cards soon. But Jesse Buckley,
I feel like she's been overlooked for a lot of Like,
you know, she's played some incredible roles over the years,
and she's such an incredible dramatic actress. And I feel
like if I look at like the list of people
(07:48):
on that potential list and I was like, well, she
should have already had an oscar. So hopefully this is
her year, but I don't know if she'll be able
to nudge out any of those like bigger names that
might have a bigger Oscars campaign.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But Hamnet's coming out on the fifteenth of jant if
you want to watch it over the break. The one
final thing I wanted to talk about before we finish
up is the song category Best New Song and noticeably
missing other two songs from a Wicked for God.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think that they will get in, though I think
it's early. Well, it's hard to say, like you kind
of used to think that if there was a great
songwriter like these are written by Steven Schwartz, like that
should be a slam dunk. But then when Andrew Lloyd
Rubber wrote that new song and Taylors have sung for Cats,
that should have also been a slam dunk for Best
New Song, and it wasn't nominated because Cats were so
(08:32):
poorly received. They couldn't They're like, we're not even having
you guys in the room for this. I think those
songs will come through, mainly because at the end of
the day, the Oscars want people to watch. They're a business,
they're a broadcast, and they'll want Ariana and Cynthia up
there singing those new songs to really bring the crowds
in because they can't sing the old songs from Wicked.
I know they did a melody last year, but that
was like a bit of a sideshow piece and they
(08:53):
didn't have the other songs perform. But I think this year,
I think they'll get nominated.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, the projective winner is K pop Damen Hunter's Golden
so I actually do think that will win.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
To be so good, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh, and they'll be so good singing of the oscars.
Oh what a fun times excited? No, okay, so I'm
assuming most people in the world, like me, spent the
entire weekend watching the new season of Stranger Things were
in the final season now they dropped the first four episodes.
Lots to say that we'll get into at another time.
But leading up to this premiere and the excitement, there
(09:26):
was a bit of a dark cloud over the whole thing.
First of all, it started with a singer called Lily Allen,
So this is quite a few weeks out from the
premiere when Lily Allen released her new album, and the
whole album and all the songs on it were very
much dedicated to the breakdown of her marriage to David
Harbor and allegations about like them having an open marriage
and her not being okay with it, and then him
(09:47):
cheating on her and breaking the rules and kind of
how she, like, you know, West End Girl, that whole
kind of vibe around it of how she dealt with that.
So obviously, David Harbor is one of the stars of
Stranger Things. He plays Hopper, which is an incredibly beloved character,
and that show has been so successful for him that
it propelled him to be a full movie star. He's
in the Marvel Cinematic Universe now. And people were so
(10:10):
invested in his marriage to Lily Allen because it came
across so cute and lovely to us watching at home,
that there was already a bit of a thing of like,
how are they going to roll him out on a
press tour for a show that's very much like kids
and family and togetherness. You know, there's demons and stuff,
but usually you know, it's that whole kind of wholesome thing.
And then a couple of days actually before they started
(10:31):
their first big press round, these reports started circulating that
were never confirmed but also never denied, so we don't
know where they kind of stand now that the lead
actress from the show, Millie Bobby Brown, who plays the
lead character Eleven. There were reports stating that during the
course of the show's been filming for over ten years,
that she had put in official complaints about David Harbor
(10:53):
for some sort of harassment. It was never overly detailed. Harassment,
bullying and emotional bullying was some of the allegations that
were in these reports.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, so that was apparently dealt with internally. So this
was supposed to have happened last year when they were
filming this final season, but it only came out recently,
probably off the back of the David Harber Lily Allen
split the Sorry the West End Girl. Now this becomes
a really big problem for Netflix when they're trying to
(11:22):
do this massive pr push for this final seasons of Netflix.
Let's not forget that, you know, Stranger Things is one
of their biggest bits of ip. Every single time it
drops the season, it drives subscriptions to Netflix. And you
know that relationship between Hopper and Eleven is such a
core part of the whole story. But Millie Bobbi Brown
(11:44):
did actually respond to this kind of indirectly, so when
she spoke to deadline. She said, we've been doing that
for the last ten years. I mean, we have always
been united in that we love this show and everything
and we value our friendship more than anything, which is
an interesting it's it feels like kind of dancing around
it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, it's the first time. I can only assume that
a lot of the journalists who were at these events
didn't were told not to ask about this in the
red carpet interviews and then in the junkets, because it
hasn't come up across anywhere, and it's usually a question
if there was a report like this, a journalist would
ask her to address it, and they didn't do that,
so it must have been on the no go list.
(12:24):
And also David Harper, while he walked red carpets and
he did like a few little smaller interviews here and there,
he was very much absent from the press tour. So
she talks about in this when she was asked about it,
So she never in this interview that's now going a
little bit viral because it's the first time she's spoken
about it, and it's kind of put a dampener on
the whole report that was out there. Millie Bobby Brown.
When she was asked about working with David, Harper said,
(12:47):
you know, we play a father and daughter, so naturally
you have a closer bond than the rest. We've had
some really intense scenes together, especially in season two, but
we have a great relationship, and said that working with
him has been a labor of love and it's only
helped her to elevate her own craft. So she said,
if I want to bring my A game every single
time I'm on the call sheet working with him, because
(13:07):
I know he's bringing his A game right back, and
that's all she would say on it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, it's it's very very pacy. She's really towing the
line here. So even one of the creators was asked
about this. Matt duffof the Duffer Brothers who made Stranger Things.
He was also asked and he said, obviously you understand
I can't get into personal onset matters, but I will
say we've been doing this for ten years with this
cast and at this point their family, and we deeply
(13:32):
care about them. So you know, nothing matters more than
just having a set where everyone feels safe and happy again,
not outright denying it, not you know, confirming it. But
really really towing that very very fine pr line.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, I'd be interested in how this information even lenked
because it sounds like, I mean, again, we don't know,
but the fact that they haven't denied or confirmed makes
me think that potentially there's some truth in that even
though we don't know, but it feels like something happened
on set. It looks like it was resolved internally, and
then someone has leaked it to a few of the
trade public heads, who are usually the ones who have
(14:08):
these insider like It wasn't a tabloid that started this,
it was it started bubbling up through trade publications, which
means that they've talked to someone on set. And it
also came like that story dropped just as the press
tour was starting, kind of like the biggest moment that
they could have had headlines. It was a story that
would have gained traction anyway, but it gained a lot
more traction, I think because all eyes are on how
(14:30):
David Harbor was going to conduct himself with the whole
Lily Allen thing over his head. I mean, no one
ever thought that he wouldn't still have fans in his
career and all like he's such a big star now
with his own huge fan base, like it was never
gonna change that, but it just kind of put like
a little cloud o is pressed tour. And I also
thought it was quite interesting how David Harbor and Millie
(14:52):
Bobby Brown, the first time that they were ever photographed
or film together after these allegations came out, was them
on a red carpet hugging, chatting, talking, laughing, And I'm
sure that wasn't put on, Like I'm sure there was
truth to it, but it's also very much like, let's
make sure that we do this right in front of
the cameras at the biggest premiere as the press two
(15:14):
is starting to really set the tone.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, well, you know Netflix posted on their social media
account that was one of the videos that they posted
during the premiere on November seven, was then laughing and
joking together, and they want to portray that image.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm guessing here that this isn't confirmed.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Or anything, because some of the really important things about
this they really have to protect this. Millie Bobby Brown
also has a relationship with Netflix on like a production
side as well, so she has an interest in towing
the company line as well. I'm not saying that they
haven't resolved it, but there's there's definitely some questions here.
So each episode of Strange Things costs between fifty and
(15:52):
sixty million dollars an episode, according to Forbes. Now compare
that to Game of Thrones this final season, which is
fifteen million dollars per episode. So like, this thing is
so expensive, it is in all of their interests to
make sure that everybody looks happy.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, exactly, and they did that. There was an explanation
for why David Harbor wasn't doing the big press run
in the lead to the premiere the way other cast
members were, and that's because he's working on I believe
it's a TV series that Courtney Cox is producing called
Evil Genius, and he's shooting for that, and that's why
he's not. That was the kind of story of why
he's not on the press tour. But it's giving Florence
(16:30):
Pugh can't do don't worry Darling press because she's filming
June too. Like it's almost like, if you wanted to,
you kind of would like especial the biggest role of
your career. You scheduling conflicts kept you out of I
don't I'm just saying, I know, scheduling conflicts happen, and
maybe there's truth to it, and he was at the premiere, but.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I just think it's way too convenient for that to
happen again for the biggest ip.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And I think it's actually a smart move because the
thing is, like they didn't need David Harbor doing a
million interviews to get this show off the ground. Like
this show has such a huge ensemble cast. People love it,
like it's it's for most people, it's like their comfort show.
It's a show that it's been on for ten years.
Like people have grown up with this show. They love
the young actors. You know, we've watched them from being
thy little kids now they're like proper little adults running around.
(17:16):
And you've got all the other like incredible cast members
that have come through, like mya Hawk, her career has
blown up from this, people like Ronona Ryder, one of
the greatest actresses in the world, Like is you know,
such a huge part of this show. And I think
there's so much there that it was easy enough to
kind of take that one little chest piece off the
board and be like the rest of them will do
the work.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So without giving the way to the spoilers. It is
interesting as well because season four, we know Hopper was
in Russia in the prison for the majority of the season,
so he and Eleven didn't really have that much interaction
during that season, whereas this season he's back from Russia.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So yeah, they have a lot all their scenes are together,
so yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
There would have been a lot more contact between the
two of them on set.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, this season.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And again I've got to think that, like, you know,
a young actress like that wouldn't be I mean, I
don't know, I know stuff happens behind the scenes, but
you've got to think, like, you know, she would be
she wouldn't be walking those carpets and smiling with him
and stuff if things weren't okay. But it's just interesting
to see how, like before a show comes out at
there is a scandal, whether it's true or not, how
they kind of maneuver it all to get it across
(18:20):
the line. And I do think now the shows out,
people have forgotten about it, Like people are so set
on especially because we've got more episodes to come and
that you know, there's so many cliffhangers. I think people
have forgotten and they're just thinking about how the show's
going to end.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I think people kind of forgot a little bit of
how good this show is. Like it's very easy to
kind of let it sink to the back of your
mind after a couple of years, and you we'll not
forget about it, but you kind of you move on
for a little bit, and then it reignites and you go, oh,
this is exciting, and then you say it and you go,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
This is so yeah and good. This is so freaking good.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And that's very evident by all the social stuff that
we've say in.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Unfortunately, we do have to wait till Christmas Day for
the next episode to come out.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But no, it's a great way to spend Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It's a little unholy.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
No, no, that's exactly what you want of Christmas Day. Okay,
So we have a new update in the Justin Baldoni
and Blake Lively legal battle. Now we know that this
feels like has been going on forever. It has been
nearly a year, but still, I mean, legal things they take.
It's not like on TV where they just go straight
(19:23):
from the arrest to the courtroom. And then the end
credits role like they do take a long time, and
we're actually not even getting to the first like official
court hearing until March or the next year. So in
the meantime, there's a lot of information still coming out
and this week what is making headlines is a newly
unsealed email. So this is an email and a court
document in the case which has now been made public
so people can see what's inside it. And it's an
(19:45):
email sent from Wayfair's Studios co founder Jamie Heath's team
to Justin Baldoni's publicist. That the email was sent in
July twenty twenty four. So obviously Jamie Heath has been
a huge name in this whole situation as the producer
of the film Wayfair's Studios is the movie that produced
It Ends with Us is at the center of this
legal situation, and this particular email is quite interesting because
(20:10):
it really gives a lot more detail into an event
that was alleged to have take place when this whole
situation blew up. So in this document, this email that's
now being made public, it alleges that Justin Baldoni went
to the house of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively so
their New York City penthouse while filming was happening for
it ends with us, And in the email, it alleges
(20:32):
that Ryan Reynolds unloaded on Justin Baldoni, that's the word
they've used there, about how horrible it was that he
would ask about Blake Lively's weight. And then the email
goes on to claim that Ryan Reynolds said that Justin
Baldoni was fat shaming Blake, and Baldoni said that he
was completely embarrassed and apologized and even shed some tears.
(20:53):
So the thing about Blake Lively's weight is something that
came up very early in this court case. And so
Blake Lively, just before filming, had given birth to her son, Odin,
and apparently there was some stuff said behind the scenes
that she was feeling bit unsure about her weight. But
then there was an allegation that Justin Baldoni had asked
her how much she weighs. The allegation from Blake Lively's
(21:15):
team is again it's all allegations this point because hasn't
gone to court yet. The allegation was that she felt
that was fat shaming of her for how her body
looked Justin Baldoni's team said that he had a bad
back and suffers from a lot of physical issues, and
he was asking her because he was then going to
go ask because he had to lift her in a
scene for the movie, and he was going to go
then ask a professional how to using her weight, how
(21:37):
best to lift her without hurting his back. So again
we have two separate sides of the story here.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And it is also said that Justin Baldoni contacted Blake's trainer,
so behind not contacting Blake directly, but contacting Blake's trainer
and asking him how much she weighed, which is another
thing that Blake's team sort of putting in their filing
talking about how you know, he embarrassed her in front
of in front of the whole team and also you know,
fat shamed her. So this apparently happened, yes, in the
(22:04):
New York City apartment. Apparently was over far five hours, Yeah,
a huge, huge amount of time. But the reason this
is making so many headlines is because there are two
A listers that apparently were right in the room with them.
Now we know about Taylor Swift allegedly being there because
of the whole Khalisi Dragon thing. And then we also
have Hugh Jackman, who has been dragged into it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, so a portion of the email is talking about
when this particular fat shaming conversation allegedly happened between Ryan
Reynolds and Justin Baldoni, and Justin Baldoni says that Ryan
Reynolds was yelling at him and reducing him to tears.
He also alleges that Hugh Jackman and Taylor Swift were
not only in the apartment, but that were in the
room at the time a lot of this was happening.
(22:47):
There's nothing to suggest that they got directly involved in
the conversation or they said anything, but they were in
the room at the time, which has pulled them right
back into being central figures in this legal battle.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Can we just put our imaginations on for a second
and imagine being in a room with Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds,
Taylor Swift, Hugh Jackman, and Justin Maldoney and for five hours,
Ryan Reynolds is yelling at Justin Maldony and Taylor Swift,
and Hugh Jackman is just sitting there watching.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm so I really wish I could be in that room.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm so fascinated by this well, I think from bits
and pieces that have come out about this particular meaning,
there's also allegations that, like they had other conversations, so
sometimes it wasn't as heated, and sometimes they were talking
more about the movie and Justin was apologizing. It's hard
to know because, like the full story hasn't come out yet,
but what it does is kind of pull us right
back into that time where Taylor Swift was never really
(23:45):
like she was never like, you know, forward facing on
the movie It Ends with Us. She was never like
walking red carpets, promoting it, interviews anything like that. But
she and Blake Clive, Lee and Ryan Reynolds were photographed
together a lot during that time, and they would spent
a lot of time together, so it is within the
role of possibility that she would have been at the penthouse.
And also Hugh Jackman became very wrapped up and It
(24:05):
Ends with Us filming because Ian Ryan Reynolds had released
Deadpool and Wolverine just a few weeks before It Ends
with Us came out, so Blake c Lively was on
the press tour for them, and then Hugh Jackman was
at the premierees. So it Ends with Us. Blake Lively
and Hugh Jackman did like join interviews together and photo
shoots together to like really promote both of their films.
It became almost like a second like Oppenheimer Barbenheimer kind
(24:28):
of situation where they were trying to do this double
bill like see Dead Pull and Wouverine and then see
It Ends with Us. And at the time, it was
all like a fun time because you have this beloved
movie star couple of Blake C. Lively and Ryan Reynolds
having these dual movies coming out and doing all this
cute stuff. And it wasn't until the whole Blake Lively
situation blow up so publicly and the world really turned
(24:49):
against her, which is what her legal suit is about,
is about the smear campaign. It wasn't until that happened
that the two movies, like you felt there was an
idea they had. The studios tried to distance them a
little bit, but they were already wrapped up together.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, we all know that Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman
have a very close relationship. They're constantly poking fun at
each other, even beyond the Deadpool Wolverine universe thing.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They they're always poking fun on each other.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Donnie seem also attempted to subpoena Taylor Swift back in
May of this year, and then she kind of was
able to step back a little bit, but then she's
been thrown.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Back into this.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It is also very interesting the way that they phrase
in the email. The way that they phrase it is
that in Lively's complaint they also refer to Justin as
her boss when she is introduced to Taylor. So this
is apparently the first time Taylor, first and only time
Taylor meets Justin Baldoni. So by referring to Justin Maldonie
(25:43):
as her boss, that phrasing I think is very very
deliberate in positioning Lively as positioning Lively in a bit
of a power and balance, you know, because that's what
we're trying to talk about here, is, you know, the
sexual harassment and the harassment claims. So I think it's
very calculated the way that they've done that. It is
(26:04):
interesting that we're starting to get drin fed more of
these unsealed emails, and it does look like we're.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Going to keep getting more and more up until the
end of March. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, it is an interesting development, because I guess it's
what the This is an email from the wayfar a team,
and it's kind of the information that they're really putting
out there and the kind of defense that they're putting up.
I should say the stage that Taylor Stif's team. The
only thing they've really said on this is an official
statement from her reps to deny that she was involved
in the filmmaking process and in any way in the
(26:35):
movie making process, because there were allegations at one stage
that she was involved in casting and she was involved
in rewriting the script. Well, she did have a song licensed,
and that's what they say in their statement. They say,
apart from the fact that her song My Tears Ricochet
was involved in the movie, she wasn't involved behind the
scenes at all. So they've really tried to distance her.
And even in that statement, like her team says, she
(26:55):
was on the biggest tour in the world at the time,
like she wasn't popping down to set in and giving notes.
I think what this email does and kind of reading
between the lines of it is it does kind of
pull that question over Taylor Swift's friendship with Blake Lively
back into the Spotlight in quite an extreme way because
(27:15):
with the release of her album Life of a Showgirl,
Taylor Swift like everyone thinks that the song Canceled is
very much about Blake Lively and there's a lot of
lyrics in there that really pertain to her, but in
a supportive way that I like my friends canceled. I
like them when they're in this world, and I'm supportive
of them. She's also wearing some of Blake Lively's jewelry
in the video clips that were in the film that
(27:36):
came out to support the album, which is a huge thing,
and also a lot of people saying like, oh, that
could have been filmed before, Like it just definitely wasn't
with the timeline, and also like this is the most
powerful kind of artist in the world, Like she's not
going to be like, oh, well, we already shot the footage,
We'll just have to use that, Like they would have
taken that out if they needed to. So it was
this very kind of indirect sign of support that Taylor
(27:58):
Swift put out to Blake Lively at a time when
people thought that their relationship had really soured, they thought
it was over because this isn't in the court docor mean,
so I don't want the lines to get muddied. But
there were sort of reports or like allegations behind the
scenes that Taylor Swift had been tricked into coming over
to blake class and Ryan Reynolds's apartment. That she was
(28:20):
just going over to Ham with her friends and she
didn't realize that she would be pulled into this big
workplace drama. That's just a rumor at this stage, but
it is the story that's out there.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, it's also quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Baldoni is not He's not saying that it never happened
that he was asking about Blake's weight, So that's not.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
The point of contention here.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's more about the fact that he's saying that he
was berated and like yelled at. He does say, you know,
he thought this was a reasonable request to ask the
trainer because of his back issues. I mean maybe privately,
like talking to Blake, I don't know, maybe could have
been handled better. But that's I guess not what's in question. Yeah,
(29:03):
it's not the actual fat shaming. It's the fat shaming rather.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Than well, it's the what they're trying to proven court
is that the spear campaign took place like that's the allegation,
and also the allegations around things like sexual harassment on set.
And obviously Justin Baldoni's lawsuit has ended because his team
didn't file documents in time and there's this whole kind
of question over that, but that has ended, so now
(29:26):
it's just Blake's lawsuit against him, and obviously he and
his company are putting forward all of all this evidence
in their defense, so I think a lot more will
come out. But yeah, I think Taylorsift's name is such
a lightning rod first stories and press, and so anytime
her name gets brought into this case, it does blow
up again, which makes me think that that is why
(29:47):
she and Blake Colvely have just not been pictured together
since this blew up. It's especially interesting at this moment
in time because in this moment in time, Taylorsift isn't touring,
she's not doing album promotion. She's planning a wetting, she's
planning her wedding, and which means she's out and about
New York. She's going to dinners. The girl loves to
go out, she loves the dinner, she loves a little
walk in front of the peraps and her cute outfits,
who were what a fun time. She's been having a
(30:08):
lot of dinners with her close girlfriends, like one on
one dinners. Yeah, and a lot of people like, is this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
The it's it's the bridal party.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, they think it's the the bridesmaid asking dinner. Yes,
like taking each one of her, Yeah, each one of her.
It looks like Taylor Sif is taking each one of
her famous friends out to dinner separately, so like Gigi
had did Ashley Avignon and all those gangs Selena Gomez
to ask them to be her bride'smaids, and everyone's like,
where is the Blake Lively bridesmaid proposal dinner? And maybe
(30:39):
that's happening. I still actually do think they're friends. Like
the whole canceled thing really did tip me back over
the edge. But they're not going to have a public
dinner at this stage. I'm really that would just throw
the whole court case way more into the spotlight than
either of them onn I think.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, definitely. I'm also really interested to see how Hugh
Jackman deal Jackman in the background, Like, I mean, let's
also remember that you know he's not having the best
pr moment after his divorced from Debrali Finis. You know,
he's obviously to be something foster. Now some people have
feelings about that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, he posted her on the grid for the first
time and to day and there's a lot of nice
comments in there, but there's a lot of comments.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
There's a lot of negativity. Yeah, and I saw a comment. Again,
this is not like this hasn't been put anyway. I
just saw comments on a video about this particular story.
One of the comments was like, I just want Debralee
Finis to on zipper lips and give us the tea.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I want that as well, but I don't know if
she will. I really think she's off just living a
fabulous life and she's not really getting in the mud
with all this.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
This was like right when they were sort of starting
to separate. Yes, this is really huge.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Jackman being pictured out and about like at Chief Schemes
with Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift. There's
photos of Taylor Swift and Hugh jack Men having drinks
because like they're all out with their friends. That was
his like I'm single hard launch error. So he had
enough to deal with at the time, is what we'll
say there. He probably didn't think now that that was
all gonna be brought back into the spot because of
a legal case. But yes, we'll have more answers in
(32:03):
March of next year when this actually goes to court.
And again, at this point in time, it's all allegations,
it's all just all the evidence is being put forward.
Both sides are bringing their side of the story and
their evidence and their emails. And I can't even imagine
all the stuff that hasn't even been made public yet,
because they would be quite a lot. But I guess
we'll know more next year.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I think we're going to be getting dripped fed all
of this information over the next couple of months.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassania lu Kitch
and coming up on the show today, we all have
been devouring the new season of Stranger Things. There has
been quite the scandal evolving behind the scenes, and they
have been racing to cover it up during the press too.
We're going to get into that because one of the
biggest stars of the show who's involved in the scandal
(00:39):
has now given us a little insight into what she
thinks is happening. Plus, there are some new unsealed emails
from the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni court case, and
this email pulls Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman right back
into the phrase. We're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But first, well, the Oscars race is heating up.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We know that the nominations don't come out until January,
but we do have some very exciting predictions. So Variety,
Hollywood Reporter, all of the big public have kind of
put out their list of suspected nominations and there's some
really good ones in there and a few that might
actually surprise you. So we'll go through a couple of
(01:18):
the ones that have gotten the most predictions for nominations
and then you can kind of gear up and find
something to watch over Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, it's important to note that, like anyone can make
Oscar predictions, but these are the trade publications. They have
journalists who their whole like kind of yearly beat is
to be on these awards shows circuits, so they're not
just predicting from a critics point of view of what
they like or from an audience point of view, because
the only people who can vote for the Oscars are
the people in the academy, and you can only vote
(01:47):
your section, so actors the actors, directors for directors, and
so their whole thing is talking to the people behind
the scenes who are doing the actual voting, which is
what I always find so interesting that like, sometimes when
there are big shocks of the Oscars, it's like it's
a shock from a fan point of view, But if
you had read these publications beforehand, and the people in
the room, they always know who's going to win everything,
(02:08):
like there's rarely a shock.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So there are a couple of even predictions for winners
already but Variety basically they are going to update their
predictions every Thursday, so they keep it kind of continues
rolling right up until the awards. So the top five
leaders in the films, we've got one Battle after another,
which is the Leonardo DiCaprio film Sinners, which is the
(02:30):
Michael B. Jordan horror film Hamnet, which is the Shakespeare
hammesk Jessey Buckley, Frankenstein of course, Jakober Lordie, and then
Wicked for Good which we all know obviously, and Sentimental Value,
which is with stelling Scar's guard Elf Fannings in it
as well. So one Battle after another is Variety's pick
(02:52):
for the winner of Best Picture.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So have you seen this movie yet?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes? And it is incredible, And I mean, look, there's
a lot of movies on that list. I haven't seen
Sentimental Value yet, and I haven't seen Hamnet yet, but
I have the screenings for those in my diary. Rat
to Go Be is they're going to be the big
Oscar contenders. It's hard to think of anything pushing one
Battle after another out of the race now, which is
kind of annoying because it's gonna it makes for a
less exciting Oscars run. When you kind of know that
(03:18):
it's gonna sweep all of the directing, editing, scripting and
probably take Best Picture. Like it doesn't feel like anything
else can touch it, which is kind of annoying because
if it was any other year, Wicked for Good was
kind of like they would kind of promise that award
slot last year, Like that was the kind of vibe
when you hear what people were saying in the room,
(03:38):
like they were all just waiting for the second movie
to come out, and then one battle after another has
kind of come in and knocked all of that out.
It'll be more interesting to see how it goes and
all the acting categories, but it looks like Tiana Taylor
M's edge, Ariana Grande out of the Wicked for Good
Best Supporting Actress slot.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, so look a lot of people there were some
critics who were saying that Wicked for Good, you know,
it hasn't got as higher praise is the first one.
It probably won't get Oscars, but really it actually still
is in high contention for a lot of those technical
categories like production design or costume design, and Ariana and
Cynthia look like they still will get none.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
D they'll get nominated. It's whether or not. Especially the
Lead Actress category is gonna be pretty I'd stacked this year.
Sinner's is the interesting one for me because I kind
of assumed that it would take a lot of the
big technical categories, and I know there's some like Best
Original Song nominations in there. My biggest thing is like,
will they give the Will they give it some acting awards,
because it feels like it should have that, but the
(04:35):
Academy notoriously doesn't like to reward anything Horror. Frankenzein's a
little bit different because it's it's kind of based on
a classic book, and it's del Toro and it's practical
effects on all these things. Whereas I think Sinners was
one of the best movies of the year, and if
it wasn't for the Oscars hating horror, it would be
up for all the big awards.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I hate horror so much so I have refused to watch,
like I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Watch Get Out because I know people were so But the.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
People are Oscars. That's not why they're not. They're what.
They don't hate these movies because they're scared. I know
they don't think that they're a vale art form in
the way that a drama is. But also they don't
think of a valid art form as comedy either, so
it's like you can't it's only drama, which is this.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A sort of way One battle after another is slightly
surprising because even though it is a drama, it's still
a black comedy, like there is still comedic value to it,
and seeing Leo in that role is quite different for
him to get potentially nominated again for that. But the
Sinner's category Sinners doing really really well.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Michael B.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Jordan was incredible in that movie, as I understand it,
because I didn't say yet.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well he plays he plays two Lee characters. Yeah, huge
for him.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So it's just interesting because often as well, the Academy
doesn't appreciate musicals either.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, they appreciate the correct kind of musical that like
the old school Broadway and then adapted to a movie.
They like those. They don't like a new music hall,
which is it's getting better.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
La La land.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I guess, yeah, but they only like that because they
like movies about themselves. I love a Hollywood movie. They're
like a little petulant bunch of kids. I will say,
like they I've added a lot more diversity to the
voting categories over the years, so every year it's getting
a little bit better. So every year we might get
like a few extra kind of different movies in the
mix that wouldn't normally be there, but they usually they're
still pretty straight down the line.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Of foot they yet Sentimental Value is like very much
Oscar's Bay. So Sentimental Value is coming out on the
twenty fifth December in Australia. This is like classic Oscars movie.
It's a drama. It's stellen Skar's Guard. It's in Norwegian,
Swedish and English. It's very serious. Quite frankly, it looks
really boring to me, but apparently it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. I am going to
a screening scenes or report back, but it is. And
the fact that it's been dropped in this prime Oscars
time of year as well, just before the voting and
conversations really kicks off, it's like completely positioned it as
an Oscars movie. I mean, el Fanning is probably going
to get a nomination, so that'd be fair.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They are predicting her.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What I found interesting in the Best Actress category, where
we're seeing Cynthia Rivo is that the majority of the
predictions are smaller actors we're not talking about. You know,
these veteran actors normally hold that space. You know, Jesse
Buckley for Hamnet, Chase Infinity for one Battle after another.
You know, these are some fairly early actors in their
(07:20):
careers getting these awards. There is a bit of a
spig talk about Kate Hudson in Song Sung Blue.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, that's kicking away with critics who have seen it. Again.
I'm seeing that in two weeks, so I'll let you
guys know what I think of the oscars in that case. Yeah,
some people think Kate Hudson. I mean, I haven't seen
Hamnet yet. Again, it's on the cards soon. But Jesse Buckley,
I feel like she's been overlooked for a lot of Like,
you know, she's played some incredible roles over the years,
and she's such an incredible dramatic actress. And I feel
like if I look at like the list of people
(07:48):
on that potential list and I was like, well, she
should have already had an oscar. So hopefully this is
her year, but I don't know if she'll be able
to nudge out any of those like bigger names that
might have a bigger Oscars campaign.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But Hamnet's coming out on the fifteenth of jant if
you want to watch it over the break. The one
final thing I wanted to talk about before we finish
up is the song category Best New Song and noticeably
missing other two songs from a Wicked for God.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think that they will get in, though I think
it's early. Well, it's hard to say, like you kind
of used to think that if there was a great
songwriter like these are written by Steven Schwartz, like that
should be a slam dunk. But then when Andrew Lloyd
Rubber wrote that new song and Taylors have sung for Cats,
that should have also been a slam dunk for Best
New Song, and it wasn't nominated because Cats were so
(08:32):
poorly received. They couldn't They're like, we're not even having
you guys in the room for this. I think those
songs will come through, mainly because at the end of
the day, the Oscars want people to watch. They're a business,
they're a broadcast, and they'll want Ariana and Cynthia up
there singing those new songs to really bring the crowds
in because they can't sing the old songs from Wicked.
I know they did a melody last year, but that
was like a bit of a sideshow piece and they
(08:53):
didn't have the other songs perform. But I think this year,
I think they'll get nominated.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, the projective winner is K pop Damen Hunter's Golden
so I actually do think that will win.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
To be so good, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh, and they'll be so good singing of the oscars.
Oh what a fun times excited? No, okay, so I'm
assuming most people in the world, like me, spent the
entire weekend watching the new season of Stranger Things were
in the final season now they dropped the first four episodes.
Lots to say that we'll get into at another time.
But leading up to this premiere and the excitement, there
(09:26):
was a bit of a dark cloud over the whole thing.
First of all, it started with a singer called Lily Allen,
So this is quite a few weeks out from the
premiere when Lily Allen released her new album, and the
whole album and all the songs on it were very
much dedicated to the breakdown of her marriage to David
Harbor and allegations about like them having an open marriage
and her not being okay with it, and then him
(09:47):
cheating on her and breaking the rules and kind of
how she, like, you know, West End Girl, that whole
kind of vibe around it of how she dealt with that.
So obviously, David Harbor is one of the stars of
Stranger Things. He plays Hopper, which is an incredibly beloved character,
and that show has been so successful for him that
it propelled him to be a full movie star. He's
in the Marvel Cinematic Universe now. And people were so
(10:10):
invested in his marriage to Lily Allen because it came
across so cute and lovely to us watching at home,
that there was already a bit of a thing of like,
how are they going to roll him out on a
press tour for a show that's very much like kids
and family and togetherness. You know, there's demons and stuff,
but usually you know, it's that whole kind of wholesome thing.
And then a couple of days actually before they started
(10:31):
their first big press round, these reports started circulating that
were never confirmed but also never denied, so we don't
know where they kind of stand now that the lead
actress from the show, Millie Bobby Brown, who plays the
lead character Eleven. There were reports stating that during the
course of the show's been filming for over ten years,
that she had put in official complaints about David Harbor
(10:53):
for some sort of harassment. It was never overly detailed. Harassment,
bullying and emotional bullying was some of the allegations that
were in these reports.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, so that was apparently dealt with internally. So this
was supposed to have happened last year when they were
filming this final season, but it only came out recently,
probably off the back of the David Harber Lily Allen
split the Sorry the West End Girl. Now this becomes
a really big problem for Netflix when they're trying to
(11:22):
do this massive pr push for this final seasons of Netflix.
Let's not forget that, you know, Stranger Things is one
of their biggest bits of ip. Every single time it
drops the season, it drives subscriptions to Netflix. And you
know that relationship between Hopper and Eleven is such a
core part of the whole story. But Millie Bobbi Brown
(11:44):
did actually respond to this kind of indirectly, so when
she spoke to deadline. She said, we've been doing that
for the last ten years. I mean, we have always
been united in that we love this show and everything
and we value our friendship more than anything, which is
an interesting it's it feels like kind of dancing around
it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, it's the first time. I can only assume that
a lot of the journalists who were at these events
didn't were told not to ask about this in the
red carpet interviews and then in the junkets, because it
hasn't come up across anywhere, and it's usually a question
if there was a report like this, a journalist would
ask her to address it, and they didn't do that,
so it must have been on the no go list.
(12:24):
And also David Harper, while he walked red carpets and
he did like a few little smaller interviews here and there,
he was very much absent from the press tour. So
she talks about in this when she was asked about it,
So she never in this interview that's now going a
little bit viral because it's the first time she's spoken
about it, and it's kind of put a dampener on
the whole report that was out there. Millie Bobby Brown.
When she was asked about working with David, Harper said,
(12:47):
you know, we play a father and daughter, so naturally
you have a closer bond than the rest. We've had
some really intense scenes together, especially in season two, but
we have a great relationship, and said that working with
him has been a labor of love and it's only
helped her to elevate her own craft. So she said,
if I want to bring my A game every single
time I'm on the call sheet working with him, because
(13:07):
I know he's bringing his A game right back, and
that's all she would say on it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, it's it's very very pacy. She's really towing the
line here. So even one of the creators was asked
about this. Matt duffof the Duffer Brothers who made Stranger Things.
He was also asked and he said, obviously you understand
I can't get into personal onset matters, but I will
say we've been doing this for ten years with this
cast and at this point their family, and we deeply
(13:32):
care about them. So you know, nothing matters more than
just having a set where everyone feels safe and happy again,
not outright denying it, not you know, confirming it. But
really really towing that very very fine pr line.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, I'd be interested in how this information even lenked
because it sounds like, I mean, again, we don't know,
but the fact that they haven't denied or confirmed makes
me think that potentially there's some truth in that even
though we don't know, but it feels like something happened
on set. It looks like it was resolved internally, and
then someone has leaked it to a few of the
trade public heads, who are usually the ones who have
(14:08):
these insider like It wasn't a tabloid that started this,
it was it started bubbling up through trade publications, which
means that they've talked to someone on set. And it
also came like that story dropped just as the press
tour was starting, kind of like the biggest moment that
they could have had headlines. It was a story that
would have gained traction anyway, but it gained a lot
more traction, I think because all eyes are on how
(14:30):
David Harbor was going to conduct himself with the whole
Lily Allen thing over his head. I mean, no one
ever thought that he wouldn't still have fans in his
career and all like he's such a big star now
with his own huge fan base, like it was never
gonna change that, but it just kind of put like
a little cloud o is pressed tour. And I also
thought it was quite interesting how David Harbor and Millie
(14:52):
Bobby Brown, the first time that they were ever photographed
or film together after these allegations came out, was them
on a red carpet hugging, chatting, talking, laughing, And I'm
sure that wasn't put on, Like I'm sure there was
truth to it, but it's also very much like, let's
make sure that we do this right in front of
the cameras at the biggest premiere as the press two
(15:14):
is starting to really set the tone.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, well, you know Netflix posted on their social media
account that was one of the videos that they posted
during the premiere on November seven, was then laughing and
joking together, and they want to portray that image.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm guessing here that this isn't confirmed.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Or anything, because some of the really important things about
this they really have to protect this. Millie Bobby Brown
also has a relationship with Netflix on like a production
side as well, so she has an interest in towing
the company line as well. I'm not saying that they
haven't resolved it, but there's there's definitely some questions here.
So each episode of Strange Things costs between fifty and
(15:52):
sixty million dollars an episode, according to Forbes. Now compare
that to Game of Thrones this final season, which is
fifteen million dollars per episode. So like, this thing is
so expensive, it is in all of their interests to
make sure that everybody looks happy.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, exactly, and they did that. There was an explanation
for why David Harbor wasn't doing the big press run
in the lead to the premiere the way other cast
members were, and that's because he's working on I believe
it's a TV series that Courtney Cox is producing called
Evil Genius, and he's shooting for that, and that's why
he's not. That was the kind of story of why
he's not on the press tour. But it's giving Florence
(16:30):
Pugh can't do don't worry Darling press because she's filming
June too. Like it's almost like, if you wanted to,
you kind of would like especial the biggest role of
your career. You scheduling conflicts kept you out of I
don't I'm just saying, I know, scheduling conflicts happen, and
maybe there's truth to it, and he was at the premiere, but.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I just think it's way too convenient for that to
happen again for the biggest ip.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And I think it's actually a smart move because the
thing is, like they didn't need David Harbor doing a
million interviews to get this show off the ground. Like
this show has such a huge ensemble cast. People love it,
like it's it's for most people, it's like their comfort show.
It's a show that it's been on for ten years.
Like people have grown up with this show. They love
the young actors. You know, we've watched them from being
thy little kids now they're like proper little adults running around.
(17:16):
And you've got all the other like incredible cast members
that have come through, like mya Hawk, her career has
blown up from this, people like Ronona Ryder, one of
the greatest actresses in the world, Like is you know,
such a huge part of this show. And I think
there's so much there that it was easy enough to
kind of take that one little chest piece off the
board and be like the rest of them will do
the work.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So without giving the way to the spoilers. It is
interesting as well because season four, we know Hopper was
in Russia in the prison for the majority of the season,
so he and Eleven didn't really have that much interaction
during that season, whereas this season he's back from Russia.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So yeah, they have a lot all their scenes are together,
so yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
There would have been a lot more contact between the
two of them on set.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, this season.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And again I've got to think that, like, you know,
a young actress like that wouldn't be I mean, I
don't know, I know stuff happens behind the scenes, but
you've got to think, like, you know, she would be
she wouldn't be walking those carpets and smiling with him
and stuff if things weren't okay. But it's just interesting
to see how, like before a show comes out at
there is a scandal, whether it's true or not, how
they kind of maneuver it all to get it across
(18:20):
the line. And I do think now the shows out,
people have forgotten about it, Like people are so set
on especially because we've got more episodes to come and
that you know, there's so many cliffhangers. I think people
have forgotten and they're just thinking about how the show's
going to end.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I think people kind of forgot a little bit of
how good this show is. Like it's very easy to
kind of let it sink to the back of your
mind after a couple of years, and you we'll not
forget about it, but you kind of you move on
for a little bit, and then it reignites and you go, oh,
this is exciting, and then you say it and you go,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
This is so yeah and good. This is so freaking good.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And that's very evident by all the social stuff that
we've say in.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Unfortunately, we do have to wait till Christmas Day for
the next episode to come out.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But no, it's a great way to spend Christmas Day.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It's a little unholy.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
No, no, that's exactly what you want of Christmas Day. Okay,
So we have a new update in the Justin Baldoni
and Blake Lively legal battle. Now we know that this
feels like has been going on forever. It has been
nearly a year, but still, I mean, legal things they take.
It's not like on TV where they just go straight
(19:23):
from the arrest to the courtroom. And then the end
credits role like they do take a long time, and
we're actually not even getting to the first like official
court hearing until March or the next year. So in
the meantime, there's a lot of information still coming out
and this week what is making headlines is a newly
unsealed email. So this is an email and a court
document in the case which has now been made public
so people can see what's inside it. And it's an
(19:45):
email sent from Wayfair's Studios co founder Jamie Heath's team
to Justin Baldoni's publicist. That the email was sent in
July twenty twenty four. So obviously Jamie Heath has been
a huge name in this whole situation as the producer
of the film Wayfair's Studios is the movie that produced
It Ends with Us is at the center of this
legal situation, and this particular email is quite interesting because
(20:10):
it really gives a lot more detail into an event
that was alleged to have take place when this whole
situation blew up. So in this document, this email that's
now being made public, it alleges that Justin Baldoni went
to the house of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively so
their New York City penthouse while filming was happening for
it ends with us, And in the email, it alleges
(20:32):
that Ryan Reynolds unloaded on Justin Baldoni, that's the word
they've used there, about how horrible it was that he
would ask about Blake Lively's weight. And then the email
goes on to claim that Ryan Reynolds said that Justin
Baldoni was fat shaming Blake, and Baldoni said that he
was completely embarrassed and apologized and even shed some tears.
(20:53):
So the thing about Blake Lively's weight is something that
came up very early in this court case. And so
Blake Lively, just before filming, had given birth to her son, Odin,
and apparently there was some stuff said behind the scenes
that she was feeling bit unsure about her weight. But
then there was an allegation that Justin Baldoni had asked
her how much she weighs. The allegation from Blake Lively's
(21:15):
team is again it's all allegations this point because hasn't
gone to court yet. The allegation was that she felt
that was fat shaming of her for how her body
looked Justin Baldoni's team said that he had a bad
back and suffers from a lot of physical issues, and
he was asking her because he was then going to
go ask because he had to lift her in a
scene for the movie, and he was going to go
then ask a professional how to using her weight, how
(21:37):
best to lift her without hurting his back. So again
we have two separate sides of the story here.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And it is also said that Justin Baldoni contacted Blake's trainer,
so behind not contacting Blake directly, but contacting Blake's trainer
and asking him how much she weighed, which is another
thing that Blake's team sort of putting in their filing
talking about how you know, he embarrassed her in front
of in front of the whole team and also you know,
fat shamed her. So this apparently happened, yes, in the
(22:04):
New York City apartment. Apparently was over far five hours, Yeah,
a huge, huge amount of time. But the reason this
is making so many headlines is because there are two
A listers that apparently were right in the room with them.
Now we know about Taylor Swift allegedly being there because
of the whole Khalisi Dragon thing. And then we also
have Hugh Jackman, who has been dragged into it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, so a portion of the email is talking about
when this particular fat shaming conversation allegedly happened between Ryan
Reynolds and Justin Baldoni, and Justin Baldoni says that Ryan
Reynolds was yelling at him and reducing him to tears.
He also alleges that Hugh Jackman and Taylor Swift were
not only in the apartment, but that were in the
room at the time a lot of this was happening.
(22:47):
There's nothing to suggest that they got directly involved in
the conversation or they said anything, but they were in
the room at the time, which has pulled them right
back into being central figures in this legal battle.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Can we just put our imaginations on for a second
and imagine being in a room with Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds,
Taylor Swift, Hugh Jackman, and Justin Maldoney and for five hours,
Ryan Reynolds is yelling at Justin Maldony and Taylor Swift,
and Hugh Jackman is just sitting there watching.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm so I really wish I could be in that room.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm so fascinated by this well, I think from bits
and pieces that have come out about this particular meaning,
there's also allegations that, like they had other conversations, so
sometimes it wasn't as heated, and sometimes they were talking
more about the movie and Justin was apologizing. It's hard
to know because, like the full story hasn't come out yet,
but what it does is kind of pull us right
back into that time where Taylor Swift was never really
(23:45):
like she was never like, you know, forward facing on
the movie It Ends with Us. She was never like
walking red carpets, promoting it, interviews anything like that. But
she and Blake Clive, Lee and Ryan Reynolds were photographed
together a lot during that time, and they would spent
a lot of time together, so it is within the
role of possibility that she would have been at the penthouse.
And also Hugh Jackman became very wrapped up and It
(24:05):
Ends with Us filming because Ian Ryan Reynolds had released
Deadpool and Wolverine just a few weeks before It Ends
with Us came out, so Blake c Lively was on
the press tour for them, and then Hugh Jackman was
at the premierees. So it Ends with Us. Blake Lively
and Hugh Jackman did like join interviews together and photo
shoots together to like really promote both of their films.
It became almost like a second like Oppenheimer Barbenheimer kind
(24:28):
of situation where they were trying to do this double
bill like see Dead Pull and Wouverine and then see
It Ends with Us. And at the time, it was
all like a fun time because you have this beloved
movie star couple of Blake C. Lively and Ryan Reynolds
having these dual movies coming out and doing all this
cute stuff. And it wasn't until the whole Blake Lively
situation blow up so publicly and the world really turned
(24:49):
against her, which is what her legal suit is about,
is about the smear campaign. It wasn't until that happened
that the two movies, like you felt there was an
idea they had. The studios tried to distance them a
little bit, but they were already wrapped up together.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, we all know that Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman
have a very close relationship. They're constantly poking fun at
each other, even beyond the Deadpool Wolverine universe thing.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They they're always poking fun on each other.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Donnie seem also attempted to subpoena Taylor Swift back in
May of this year, and then she kind of was
able to step back a little bit, but then she's
been thrown.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Back into this.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It is also very interesting the way that they phrase
in the email. The way that they phrase it is
that in Lively's complaint they also refer to Justin as
her boss when she is introduced to Taylor. So this
is apparently the first time Taylor, first and only time
Taylor meets Justin Baldoni. So by referring to Justin Maldonie
(25:43):
as her boss, that phrasing I think is very very
deliberate in positioning Lively as positioning Lively in a bit
of a power and balance, you know, because that's what
we're trying to talk about here, is, you know, the
sexual harassment and the harassment claims. So I think it's
very calculated the way that they've done that. It is
(26:04):
interesting that we're starting to get drin fed more of
these unsealed emails, and it does look like we're.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Going to keep getting more and more up until the
end of March. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, it is an interesting development, because I guess it's
what the This is an email from the wayfar a team,
and it's kind of the information that they're really putting
out there and the kind of defense that they're putting up.
I should say the stage that Taylor Stif's team. The
only thing they've really said on this is an official
statement from her reps to deny that she was involved
in the filmmaking process and in any way in the
(26:35):
movie making process, because there were allegations at one stage
that she was involved in casting and she was involved
in rewriting the script. Well, she did have a song licensed,
and that's what they say in their statement. They say,
apart from the fact that her song My Tears Ricochet
was involved in the movie, she wasn't involved behind the
scenes at all. So they've really tried to distance her.
And even in that statement, like her team says, she
(26:55):
was on the biggest tour in the world at the time,
like she wasn't popping down to set in and giving notes.
I think what this email does and kind of reading
between the lines of it is it does kind of
pull that question over Taylor Swift's friendship with Blake Lively
back into the Spotlight in quite an extreme way because
(27:15):
with the release of her album Life of a Showgirl,
Taylor Swift like everyone thinks that the song Canceled is
very much about Blake Lively and there's a lot of
lyrics in there that really pertain to her, but in
a supportive way that I like my friends canceled. I
like them when they're in this world, and I'm supportive
of them. She's also wearing some of Blake Lively's jewelry
in the video clips that were in the film that
(27:36):
came out to support the album, which is a huge thing,
and also a lot of people saying like, oh, that
could have been filmed before, Like it just definitely wasn't
with the timeline, and also like this is the most
powerful kind of artist in the world, Like she's not
going to be like, oh, well, we already shot the footage,
We'll just have to use that, Like they would have
taken that out if they needed to. So it was
this very kind of indirect sign of support that Taylor
(27:58):
Swift put out to Blake Lively at a time when
people thought that their relationship had really soured, they thought
it was over because this isn't in the court docor mean,
so I don't want the lines to get muddied. But
there were sort of reports or like allegations behind the
scenes that Taylor Swift had been tricked into coming over
to blake class and Ryan Reynolds's apartment. That she was
(28:20):
just going over to Ham with her friends and she
didn't realize that she would be pulled into this big
workplace drama. That's just a rumor at this stage, but
it is the story that's out there.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, it's also quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Baldoni is not He's not saying that it never happened
that he was asking about Blake's weight, So that's not.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
The point of contention here.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's more about the fact that he's saying that he
was berated and like yelled at. He does say, you know,
he thought this was a reasonable request to ask the
trainer because of his back issues. I mean maybe privately,
like talking to Blake, I don't know, maybe could have
been handled better. But that's I guess not what's in question. Yeah,
(29:03):
it's not the actual fat shaming. It's the fat shaming rather.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Than well, it's the what they're trying to proven court
is that the spear campaign took place like that's the allegation,
and also the allegations around things like sexual harassment on set.
And obviously Justin Baldoni's lawsuit has ended because his team
didn't file documents in time and there's this whole kind
of question over that, but that has ended, so now
(29:26):
it's just Blake's lawsuit against him, and obviously he and
his company are putting forward all of all this evidence
in their defense, so I think a lot more will
come out. But yeah, I think Taylorsift's name is such
a lightning rod first stories and press, and so anytime
her name gets brought into this case, it does blow
up again, which makes me think that that is why
(29:47):
she and Blake Colvely have just not been pictured together
since this blew up. It's especially interesting at this moment
in time because in this moment in time, Taylorsift isn't touring,
she's not doing album promotion. She's planning a wetting, she's
planning her wedding, and which means she's out and about
New York. She's going to dinners. The girl loves to
go out, she loves the dinner, she loves a little
walk in front of the peraps and her cute outfits,
who were what a fun time. She's been having a
(30:08):
lot of dinners with her close girlfriends, like one on
one dinners. Yeah, and a lot of people like, is this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
The it's it's the bridal party.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, they think it's the the bridesmaid asking dinner. Yes,
like taking each one of her, Yeah, each one of her.
It looks like Taylor Sif is taking each one of
her famous friends out to dinner separately, so like Gigi
had did Ashley Avignon and all those gangs Selena Gomez
to ask them to be her bride'smaids, and everyone's like,
where is the Blake Lively bridesmaid proposal dinner? And maybe
(30:39):
that's happening. I still actually do think they're friends. Like
the whole canceled thing really did tip me back over
the edge. But they're not going to have a public
dinner at this stage. I'm really that would just throw
the whole court case way more into the spotlight than
either of them onn I think.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, definitely. I'm also really interested to see how Hugh
Jackman deal Jackman in the background, Like, I mean, let's
also remember that you know he's not having the best
pr moment after his divorced from Debrali Finis. You know,
he's obviously to be something foster. Now some people have
feelings about that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, he posted her on the grid for the first
time and to day and there's a lot of nice
comments in there, but there's a lot of comments.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
There's a lot of negativity. Yeah, and I saw a comment. Again,
this is not like this hasn't been put anyway. I
just saw comments on a video about this particular story.
One of the comments was like, I just want Debralee
Finis to on zipper lips and give us the tea.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I want that as well, but I don't know if
she will. I really think she's off just living a
fabulous life and she's not really getting in the mud
with all this.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
This was like right when they were sort of starting
to separate. Yes, this is really huge.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Jackman being pictured out and about like at Chief Schemes
with Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift. There's
photos of Taylor Swift and Hugh jack Men having drinks
because like they're all out with their friends. That was
his like I'm single hard launch error. So he had
enough to deal with at the time, is what we'll
say there. He probably didn't think now that that was
all gonna be brought back into the spot because of
a legal case. But yes, we'll have more answers in
(32:03):
March of next year when this actually goes to court.
And again, at this point in time, it's all allegations,
it's all just all the evidence is being put forward.
Both sides are bringing their side of the story and
their evidence and their emails. And I can't even imagine
all the stuff that hasn't even been made public yet,
because they would be quite a lot. But I guess
we'll know more next year.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I think we're going to be getting dripped fed all
of this information over the next couple of months.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
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