June 23, 2025 • 30 mins
On the show today, a judge has ruled that messages between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift can be handed over to Justin Baldoni as part of his ongoing legal battle with Blake. Here’s exactly what that means.
Plus, Hailey Bieber has been photographed without her engagement ring, but here’s exactly why there is more to this story than just another Justin Bieber divorce plot.
And Tammy Hembrow has confirmed that she and Matt Zukowski are divorcing via a very emotional video. There’s a very specific way she chose to share the news, and people’s opinions are divided over the whole story (including our hosts).
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Cacenula Kid, and we have a big
build up of stories over the weekend. That's the fun
thing about a Monday show is that on Fridays we
(00:37):
do like our fun little TV movie Deep Dive, and
then over the weekend, I'm just in my notes up
the whole time, all the little solicious updates that we
have to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I am going to just also address my voice. I
have had a flu and I sound I've got my
sexy flam going on.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So yeah, it's like that episode of Friends, you know,
where Phoebe gets sick and then she has this really
sexy singing voice and then she tries to get sick again.
So no, you do sound very sultry.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Thank you very much, And it's for all of the
sultry news that we've got today.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes, So coming up on the show today, there's been
a whole big divorce Converse station around Hayley Bieber and
Justin Bieber. It only took one photo to cement that story.
But we have an update that happened as we were
walking into the studio. Actually breaking news here, Investigative journalism
at play. Also, Timmy Hambrow has announced her divorce with
a very emotional video. The response from the public, which
(01:27):
is what we're going to be talking about, along with
how the separation was bradcrumbed, has been very intense. So
we're going to get into that. But first we have
an update in the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively legal
case involving Taylor Swift. So a few weeks ago we
gave the update that Taylor Swift had been subpoenaed by
Justin Baldonie's legal team basically to potentially appear in Core,
(01:48):
but also to have her phone in computer and computer
gone through to get evidence from the case. And they
put forward a motion to dismiss it, and we thought
that had gone ahead, but we had an update to
say the judge in the case has actually stepped in.
So a judge ruled on Wednesday that Justin Baldoni can
obtain any messages between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift that
(02:09):
are about the making of it ends with us and
specifically to do with the sexual assault allegations that she's
put forward. So in his order, the judge said that
he found the messages can be very relevant to the
case and that a protective order in place was to
prevent them from leaking to the press. So that's been
the big thing is that Justin Baldoni is saying and
(02:29):
his legal team is saying, that these messages could hold
the key to kind of proving his story right in
terms of how much Taylor Swift was involved in the
making of the movie, but more so about his behavior
on set. And then Taylor Swift's team and Blake Lively's
team separately because apparently something is going on behind the
scenes there, both came out and said that Justin's team
(02:51):
was doing this just to kind of pull her into
the story, yeah, and get her and use her public
profile and her fandom to bring more attention to his
side of the case. So the judge has come out
and said that he's like overall the previous thing about
her not being able to be subpoened, so that the
messages can be used, but there's a privacy bare them
so they can't be leaked to the press.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It'll be interesting to see if they don't get leaked,
because it's one thing to say that, but as we
all know, these things often get let out. So I'm
sure they'll be heavily redacted. But I mean, this is
a pretty big ruling considering the fact that we're actually
now looking at private text messages between Taylor Swift and
Blake Lively, Like this is it's not a light thing.
(03:36):
I mean, I don't know if I want anyone just
like grabbing my text messages.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The proviso that it has to be either about the
movie or the sexual assault allegations, I think is really key.
So he's not going to get access his team and
not going to get access to every single text message.
But I'm interested to see how they police that, Like
how do they know that she's given over everything unless
(04:01):
they go through everything?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah exactly that I guess potentially they have a third
party go through her phone just played or do a
keyword search. Well that was the thing in the markl
and Prince Harry trial when they were in that when
in that back and forth big legal case with the
British press is that what they can do is not
say like we want to see all your text messages,
but we want every message and email with these key words.
(04:25):
And that's what Megan Michael was saying at the time.
She's like, the other side asked for words like Kate
William Archie Love all these kind of like weird words
because they were obviously trying to dig around and find
really salacious stuff. I think in this case too, because
this side of it has been so public and there's
been this real public speculation that Blake Lively and Taylor
Swift's like very long term, very close friendship, like she's
(04:47):
godmother to her children, has come to an end. There
was the whole Travis Kelcey unfollowing Ryan Reynolds thing. Taylorsof's
team put out a statement after the subpoena was initially
pulled back, saying that she had wanted to have nothing
to do with this case. And I think what's really
telling if that, if you go through some of the
legal documents Blake Lively's team attempted to this is like
(05:08):
coming from the reports from that have been put forward
from their legal teams, is that Blake Lively's team attempted
to bargain with Justin Baldonie's team saying that they would
hand over a lot of different things or video footage
related to the film, unreducted versions of communication, or they
would hand over all these other things listed in Justin
Baldoni's complaint if Taylor Swift's text messages weren't subpoened as
(05:30):
like kind of a bargaining chip. And then Justin Baldoni's
team said no.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, look, I think Taylor would be absolutely furious
that she's been dragged into this because you know, she's
had such a great reputation for the last quite a
few years. Now. You know, she's taken back her power
doing all of her re recordings, and she's fought really
hard to have this reputation and to get sort of
dragged in by Blake Lively and it almost feels like unwillingly,
(05:59):
unwillingly dragged into it feels kind of not very fair.
So I can imagine that that would be a relationship
ender for a friendship. Yeah, and it seems like she
really is. She's going, I don't want to have anything
to do with this. I'm stepping away.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, this court case is still taking place
in March of next year, which felt so far away,
but it's creeping closer. But I think we'll have as
I go through this discovery period and as all these
emails and different bits of evidence get lead, there'll be
more updates. But yeah, at the moment, those text messages
are one hundred percent part of the case, Nana. So
onto another story that's been bubbling away over the weekend,
(06:36):
and that is this photo that has really cemented this
idea that Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber are headed for divorce.
So what happened is that Haley is out and about
New York and she's, you know, doing what a lot
of starlet's do when they're in New York. She's going
to all the popular restaurants, so she's walking along those
streets and she's looking gorgeous in her beautiful fits and
getting photographed. And that is half the point of going
(06:57):
to New York is to kind of get that if
you're famous, to get that publicity. The only thing is
is that on Thursday she was photographed out and about
going for breakfast and going for dinner that night, both
times without her huge inc aangement ring that she always
has on her finger was not pictured. She later again
went out that night with Camilla Maroon and Suki Waterhouse,
(07:18):
two other women who have both really been through the
ringer in the past, with famous men Leonardo DiCaprio and
Bradley Cooper, respectively. So I feel like that dinner, I
would have even anything to still on at dinner and
just hear about them talking about these famous childish men
that two of them escaped and one of them is
still married to. So these photos seemingly harmless except for
the fact that her ring wasn't pictured. Were just spread everywhere,
(07:39):
all over the Internet, all over TikTok, all over every
social feed. All the tabloids picked it up, and it
really cemented the idea that they're headed for divorce after
all the negative speculation. Why are you laughing?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The reason I'm laughing is because the amount of times
I forget to put my engagement ring.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
On, Well, that's what I was thinking, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I put it on today because I knew we were
talking about it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, you don't want me to say to you, are
you getting divorced?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I often forget to put it on because I take
it off. I don't sleep in my ring. Is it
possible that she just forgot to put her ring on.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, that was my I thought too, because I have
seen her out because so much of Hailey Baber's brand,
along with owning her business, is that she does these
pap walks a lot of the time. And she's even
said she works with a stylist who is specifically just
for street style, so she pays the same amount to
her and Kendall Janna both do. They pay the same
amount to their street stylist as other celebrities do for
(08:32):
a red carpet stylist. And so this woman will buy
these clothes, put these outfits together, and she'll literally just
wear them to walk down the street and get back
in the car. But that like really ups their their
like online cachet. It's like built their fandom. So it's
a really smart way to do it. So my only
thought was, if half of your brand is off these
paparazzi style shoots and you're paying thousands and thousands of
(08:56):
dollars to this really well known stylist to style you
for these street style moments, that's and you don't wear
your wedding ring. To me, that's a little bit more
telling than just like the average lady out and about
who hasn't popped her ring on.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, understand what you're saying, but I mean the thing
is Saturday night, so two nights later, so there was
two images of her not wearing a ring, and then
at the girls' night. So when she steps back out
on the town, she's got the ring back on her finger.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yes, And actually as we were coming into the studio,
she was papped again walking up and down the street.
I can't even tell where she's going because it seemingly
is that she's just walking up and down the road
in front of like these New York hotels where I'm
not even sure if she's staying there, and the ring
is very visible on her finger. So yeah, it could
It could be just that she didn't put the ring on,
or she maybe just didn't go with this carefully curated
(09:43):
outfit that she had paid thousands of dollars for someone
to pick out for her.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I think she just forgot.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I have seen her out and about without her ring before.
It's not something that I'm ever clocking. But but my
only thing is if you're being watched so intently, it
just feels like a bit of a choice potentially not
to put it on, even to say like, I'm not
gonna wear it and I don't care because it doesn't
go with my outfit, or I'm not gonna wear it
out tonight and I don't care what people think. I
just think it's come off the back of her bit
(10:08):
of everything.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Just quietly.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I do think like a huge diamond with her ring.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Is pretty bloody gorgeous. I do really like her ring.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Can you imagine it doesn't go this huge diamond doesn't
go with my outfit?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, no, it's I think that I don't think it's
that it didn't go with her outfit. Might look I'm
going to give Hailey the benefit of the doubt because
they really I feel like she's been through the ring up.
There has been so much speculation about her relationship with Justin.
We talked about it here on the Spill a number
of times. They keep saying we're fine. Then that people
keep coming up with ways to say we're not fine.
(10:40):
You know, but you know it's like where they smoke
this fire. Maybe there is some validity behind this, but
until we hear otherwise, I'm giving her the benefit of
the doubt and just saying that she forgot to put
her ring on, Yes exactly, I mean you forgot to
put jewelry on today.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I know I've got no not none of them are
engaged in ring. But I forgot all of my jewelry
today and I nearly didn't come to work. I feel
like if you forget your jewelry, you shouldered to take
a personal day. Both Haley Beaber and I were in
the same boat. But I also think with this like
it's just a little I think just because the build
up from the last week, especially so Justin Bieber put
up this Instagram story saying he was being given the
silent treatment, people just assumed that was something to do
(11:17):
with Haley. There was also that thing a while ago
where they'd unfollow each other on Instagram, which they do
a lot. They said it was a glitch, which I
don't know. Glitch is on Instagram get a bad rap
because every time a celebrity unfollows someone accidentally posts something
like something they say it's a glitch. We don't know.
There was. Obviously Justin Bieber's been a bit on the
record with some people who previously work with him that
(11:38):
he's had some mental health issues. There is something there,
he's had some breakdowns with paparazzi. To be fair, the
paparazzi were literally like chasing him through the street and
half knocking him over, like I would have yelled at
them as well.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I do think Justin Bieber has something deeper going on.
I do think that he's probably in a little bit
of a crisis at the moment. I don't know. Did
you say their performance with Sissa, Yeah yeah, and all
these people were talking about how he was doing the fentifold.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah yeah, and they were playing it was super inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And we're saying it was the reason that he was
like nodding off is because he was on some really
hard drugs. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that was the speculation.
I don't obviously, we don't know what's going on with him,
but it's pretty clear from the from looking in he
doesn't look very well. Yes, whether that's just exhaustion or
(12:26):
you know, maybe having a mental health crisis. Like, who
knows what's going on. But as we've seen so many
times with celebrities, if you keep pushing them, it's not
gonna make anything any better, you know what I mean. Now,
he's obviously going through something, whether their relationship is on
the rocks or not. They have the right to be
able to tell us when they're ready to, but they're
(12:48):
really doubling down on the fact that they're okay.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes, well that's that's the thing. They're doing so much
press in one corner, and then these like a photo
without her without her ring, or that audit that was
done the other day that show that he was like
allegedly bankrupt, that's why he sold his masters, and then
that kind of flipped the story again. And then she'll
post like a beautiful photo of them with their baby
jack Blues, but then like a negative story. It's like this,
(13:12):
it's like they're keep trying to like build up this
wall of like we're fine, we're fine, and they're like
another wave of bad publicity just keeps coming in and
just like knocking that wall over.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You think the sale of Road would give her a
couple more weeks, she only got like one good week
of press out. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, to be fair, that was a little bit of
justin Bieber's fault, because like that whole thing happened around
the time she did that Vogue article and he put
up and she was on the cover of Vogue, which
is like huge, and then he put up saying I'd
never thought she'd be on the cover of Vogue, and
it's like, like she's trying to do good publicity for you.
The interesting thing in that Vogue article is that she
did like she referenced exactly the conversation we're having now.
(13:47):
She was like, I just have to accept that people
will never believe that we're happily married. She's like, I
kept thinking, like, once we got engaged, now people will
believe it. Once we got married, now people will believe it.
And then she was like, and now we have a baby, like,
now surely people will leave us alone. But I just
you kind of kind of like feel her defeat in
that Vogue article, and I think that that is probably
how she's seeing, like feeling at the moment seeing all
(14:09):
these photos everywhere people thinking that they're getting divorced because
of that photo, and you're just like, like, now that
that story is out there, like you can't put the
genie back in the bottle.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, I think, you know what, We're gonna be talking
a lot about them this year. I feel I think
this is at the end of the Hailey justin drama.
I do think she just left it on the on
the counter. She forgot to put her ring on. Yeah,
she was putting cream on her hands or something. She
forgot to put her ring back on. That's my speculation.
It happens. We've got some more relationship news as well.
(14:39):
Tammy Hembrou and Matt Zukowski have split, confirming their divorce
after less than a year of marriage. Now. She released
a seven minute TikTok video on her account the other
day app basically confirming what a lot of people have
been speculating for the last few weeks. So Tammy and Matt.
(15:00):
Matt used to be on Love Island. They met, had
this beautiful wedding in Byron Bay. She wore the most
beautiful pale pink.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, it was gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That was a really beautiful dress, like stunning wedding. She
walked down the side of the pool. It was a
really glamorous, gorgeous wedding, but had like a seventiered cake.
It was very extravagant. Less than a year after getting married,
they're divorced now. In this TikTok video, she is basically
talking about how nasty everyone is. So I'm gonna just
(15:32):
have a quick listen to this.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Claire.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Obviously, I've like, I get a lot of nasty comments
being like, oh another marriage, like this is my first marriage,
just FYI, But no comment that anyone could say, like,
these comments haven't even been really getting to me, because
nothing anyone could say could make me.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Feel like more like shit than I already do, like
more humiliated or more like I already like think that
about myself right now.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So I don't think those comments are getting to me
because I'm already there.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Okay, So she's so here, we can see Tammy. She's
obviously really upset. She's talking about how you know, the
fact that the backlashes being a lot of people are
like a calm on lady, which I kind of have
to admit, I kind of feel.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, I understand because that has been the sentiment from
a lot of different people. It's interesting because I feel
like there's been such a build up to this. I mean,
there was so much sort of back and forth before
their wedding in December over whether or not they would
go through with it. Because they are one of those couples.
They are a little bit like Haley and Justin where
sometimes they'll do these little public things like unfollow each
(16:52):
other where you feel like they are just having a
tiff behind the scenes, but because they're so public, it
blows up into a big thing. And all those photos
came out leading up to their wedding where it looked
like Tammy was like breaking down at her hens party
and crying. People speculated it was because she was unhappy
she was getting married, or that Matt had done something,
And then every time something like a story like that
bubbled up. I guess because they're both such huge influences,
(17:16):
They've got these huge public profiles. She also owns a business,
he does a podcast, like so much of their life
is very very public, and it's almost like they had
to keep stepping in and doing damage control leading up
to the wedding, and then even after the wedding, there's
been such a huge build up to this divorce announcement.
So like again, they were following and following each other
(17:36):
on Instagram, which.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Is there was a lot of like lip syncing breakup
video like breakup songs like this has been people have
been speculating this for a long time. Yes, they had
kind of been the writing's been on the wall.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well exactly like, they haven't been pictured together in months.
They were sort of avoiding talking about each other in
interviews and all that sort of stuff. And then just
before this came out, she had missus Zikowski like in
her Instagram and then she deleted that first kind of
let people see that information, let them bubble away with
all their thoughts, and then put this video out.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
My feeling is this, She's clearly someone who loves deeply
and loves passionately, and there are people who who love
like that and fall hard and fast. She hasn't been
married before, she has been engaged before to her. I
think it's her third child's baby daddy. I think she
was engaged to him. She's got three kids. You know,
she's like, she's been through it. I don't feel sorry
(18:30):
for her really because and the reason I don't feel
it makes it sound really harsh. It makes me sound
like I'm being mean. But you're dating this person, you
have this massive weddings, this big display of love eight
months that is nothing in the scheme of a relationship
that is nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And also eight months they've announced it like it obviously
happened a few months ago.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
How can you give up that quickly if you're really
like eight months is like that.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And the reason I say that, like, and I'm not hered.
I'm not trying to sound like a like holier than
their relationship person, but I've been in a relationship with
my partner since, like for sixteen years. Eight months is nothing.
And I can tell you right now we've had periods
of eight months where I haven't wanted to talk to him.
But it doesn't mean that I've just like given up,
(19:21):
do you know what I mean? I feel like, you know,
she had this whole idea of this fairytale romance and
then it didn't work out, and I'm like, Okay, well
I'm just gonna get like.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But I don't think it's And again, I've gotta I
don't know these people, Like obviously, I know I know
their public profiles, but I have like no and I
don't only know like the surface level of their public profiles.
Like I'm not a huge follower of both of the
men anyway. But so when you say you don't feel sorry,
you're talking about that like that TikTok where she that
she put up where it like it's it's also set
(19:51):
up I think to be very and I'm not sort
of calling her like a mastermind or anything, but I
think someone who has built their entire public profile off
sharing videos of her life, if you're gonna post your
marriage ending video, you put a lot of thought and
time into how you do it. So I do think
it was quite curated in the way that she's just
sort of sitting in her closet, and it's not a
(20:11):
fancy looking closet, like I do think it is a
huge closet, but she's kind of sitting in one little
corner of it. There's all like the just the white
plastic hangers hanging behind her. She kind of looks like
she's just sort of just very casually sitting, Like her
makeup looks gorgeous, but like very natural. She's got like
a really soft yellow top on. All these things to
kind of just be like, this is relatable, this is vulnerable,
(20:32):
and it's not set like an opulent part of the
huge house we know she lives in. So I do
think that that was kind of set up in terms
of just knowing that also a lot of people who
don't follow her normally would come and watch the breakup video,
and knowing I think all these eyes would be on it.
But I also think, like the video itself, like I
did feel bad for her. I thought this was a
hugely vulnerable thing to share and like a really emotional
(20:53):
thing to look at. I don't know, maybe I'm just
a sad but I felt really bad, but.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I didn't Like I think she's being genuine when she
says she's humiliated. Absolutely, I do think she is. I
don't blame her for falling hard, like I don't blame
her for falling hard and fast for someone I don't.
I don't blame her, but I don't really feel sorry
for her, because like you're thirty one years old, lady,
Like you're you're a grown ass woman, you've got three kids,
(21:20):
Like yeah, I know, But I just think him as well,
Like I'm not just putting this on her, like I'm
also putting this on you, like both they both are
responsible for the press.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But also we don't like the thing in the video
is like she talked a lot about like she's like
I need to take responsibility. I've made bad relationship choices.
I need to like be you know, thinking of my kids.
So she said all that, but she didn't actually say
why they broke up, like for all we know, and
again this is just allegedly, but for all we know,
like he cheated on her or she cheated on him,
like we just don't know. There were all those photos
that came out, like just before she put the announcement
(21:50):
out of him with a journalist. I don't want to
say her name because I don't know if she's getting
a lot of hate and that sort of stuff, But
there were photos that came out. They're being photos previously,
so it's one of those things we just don't know
what happened. But I just think also, and again I
feel like I'm really projecting on this woman who I
don't know, but I feel like there still is this
huge thing, especially if you live a very public life,
to have that big fairy tail wedding and just to
(22:11):
lock it down. So it kind of does feel like
they were in that situation where it just went too
hard and too fast and the big wedding was locked
in and they engage like they're engagement was this huge
thing on a beautiful overseas tropic or island on the beach, and.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Just like just pump the brakes for a second.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I know, But I also just think that some people
just live very like accelerated live.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I know, but this is the thing, the thing that
really can you imagine being a guest at that wedding?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Oh no? Can I just and I have been to
weddings like that, Like haven't you been to weddings like that?
Where you're sitting there and it's so opulent, so over
the top, and you're looking at these people and sometimes
I just feel like I'm like a crazy person in
a horror movie where like everyone's been taken around by clones.
Because I look around and I'm like, we all know
this is a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Do you need to do like a return policy if
it's within twelve months, like you know, can I get
my gift back?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I mean, look, if their marriage ends terrible after a
few months, I'm happy for them to keep the gift.
But I'm just saying, we've all gone to weddings where
you're like, I just feel like this like the train
had just left the station and they had to stay
on it, and we're all sitting here agreen that these
people shouldn't be getting married, and they're saying all these
things to each other in front of.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ass ingenuous well, yes, exactly, you know, I mean, like
professing your love for each other and then eight months,
eight months, and that's what we know. So let's just
say they split up four months ago or whatever. Yeah,
so you're saying to me, you're professing your love to
each other with this multi you know, hundreds and thousands
of dollars on this wedding, talking about how much you
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adore each other, and then four months, six months, like
it's done.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I know, but again I don't performative. Well, I think
performative is why a lot of people get stuck in
these situations because once you set up this huge wedding
and people book travel and you and you do all
this stuff, it would be so hard to pull the plug.
And I feel like that's what so many people who
have had marriages that have ended really shortly like. And
it's always the women who have to come out and
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explain it and say everything. But like, and I think,
like it happens more than we kind of realize, just
like when it happens on a huge scale to a celebrity,
it seems bigger, Like the same thing happened with Kim
Kardashi and when she married Chris Humphreys, like she was
at the end, was like sobbing and saying, I'm so humiliated.
I think it must be like it must feel like
a deep humiliation. But she was just saying it was
too much like the wedding was all set up like
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people what everyone was later it was this huge, opulent thing.
And I also think about like Olivia Molly Rodgers, who
was talked about in her podcast and she's written about
it for Mamma Mia, where she also said that to
her when she was getting married, that she was also
feeling those doubts leading up into the wedding day, but
she also just like it was she just felt like
it was a bit too late to pull out. And
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I think also a lot of these women just think,
like leading up to these weddings, like it's very heightened,
there's a lot of stress. And I think what something
they all seem to tell themselves is once we get
through this and we get back to normal life, things
will be better. So we just have to get through,
you know, like you just cut compartment, right.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I do feel a little bit sorry for her, but
also but I just I just I just look at
it and I'm Forgod's sake.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And again, I think that's what a lot of people.
I was like deep in the comments for all of
this because I wanted to see how people are reacting
and apart from some people being like, I think you're
the problem, and I'm like, oh, it's a bit harsh,
Like it's a bit harsh having like three partners and
your thirty is like not that, it's just that she's
a public figure, so it seems.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
More than three kids. I think. Yeah, I think it's
the kids thing that I think a lot of people
sort of slut shame her for a little bit. And
I'm not here to slut shame her, but I do
think once you have children, it's your responsibility to protect them,
particularly from relationships. And these kids are old enough to
know what's going on. Oh yeah, well I mean they
were all yeah, so she's clearly embarrassed by that. I'm
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not saying she's a bad mother at all. Yeah, of course,
I'm sure she wants what's best for her children. You
can tell she loves her children. I'm not saying that
at all, But like, you know, you've gone through all
of this is huge to do, and now what it's over.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, well I Also I wonder if the kids thing
is a factor too, And again it's so so storry
to be having this conversation about someone we don't know.
But again, so much of her life is public and
people project things on because if you even when she
was single before she met Matt, there were people being like, oh,
those kids need like a stable influence, they need like
a father figure, even though that obviously have their fathers
who are involved in their lives. And so you have
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this it's almost like a no win situation, Like you
have this pressure to be married and to be in
this very happy relationship, and you have this pressure to
get this fairy tale ending, which like still to this
day getting married, as much as like everyone says like
it's not, it is like getting married is still the
biggest achievement in a woman's life publicly, Like it's the
only time you get that sort of level of adoration
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and fame and love and success. It's the only time
you really get celebrated once you become an adult. So
I think it's hard to sort of have that and
be like, this is the main thing we're going to
celebrate you for. But then if you rush into it
because you're trying to get this thing that people are
telling you should have, then you get punished for it.
I don't know, it's a very strange thing. I did
see a lot of people being like, she doesn't have
to explain. But I feel also like you if you've
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monetized it to make it, and you've like picked all
these people to know why, yeah, oh, I mean I
would love to know more details later. I'm not above
that gossip, but I know I'm from the general from
the video where she's explaining, I saw a lot of
people in the comments being like, you don't know us anything,
And I do think it's that fine line where like
she's such a public figure and that wedding like they
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created a huge amount of content from it. I still
also think no one gets married just for content. I
feel like people do a lot of other things for content,
but I think actually getting married is such a step
too far, because yes, you get the photos, but then
you have to the initial payoff you get with sharing
the photos would not be worth the months of like
backlash and speculation you get and having to make that video,
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like they they really cancel each other out. So I
don't think anyone does it for I think that kind
of it kind of like makes.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I think it got like she got caught up in it,
probably because of all of that, yeah, and the attention
and being in love and the ring and a big party.
Like I'm sure that that's part of it. You know,
who knows why this ended, But to be honest, it
was almost as soon as they got married, the speculation
that they would no longer together stop absolutely because they
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see like and that's I think what kind of irritates
me a little bit. I'm like, I know, people get
married and then they get divorced, but like marriage is.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Hard, like yeah, but I think why some of these
marriages that end after a few months, I think why
they break up and why people who have been together
for years break up. Would be such a difference, Yeah,
such a different situation. And if you, like, if you've
been with someone for a few months and you get
swept up in the idea of a wedding and the party,
and then the party is over and you're you're looking
at that person, I can one hundred percent understand why
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you would say, like, I'm not going to try with
you because I don't even like you. Yeah, Because I
think when you're talking, you're ow your husband having bad spots.
That's because you've been in love for years and you
have that foundation. But that was a stranger that you
don't even know on for a few months, and you'd
only know on them. But I wouldn't have gotten marriage
to different like situations. But if you've only known this
person in these beautiful romantic resorts or at events or
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planning or I think that's very different to breaking up
with someone who you've been like in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
That's why I like, take your freaking time, girl.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, well, I'm sure she's wishing that now, Like that
was my thought watching that video, and maybe I'm just
such a sap. I felt, really I felt so emotional
watching that for her because I was just like when
she kept saying, I'm so humiliated, and I was like,
this would be a lot. And also I also just
wonder what was going through her mind on the wedding day,
like because again so many women now who have gone
through that and who have publicly talked about it say like,
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on the day, I felt sick on the day, I
didn't want to do it, and I wonder, like she
might never say it, but I wonder when you see
those photos of her and that beautiful pink Vera Wang
gown and like looking so happy shit and like with yeah,
with that beautiful estate in the flowers and her kids
like running up to her and being like mommy or
a princess. All that I want her from a head,
she's just like feeling sick, Like I just think that
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would just be the worst feeling for it to be
so public and just feeling like so trapped.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Look, maybe she's gonna learn a lesson from this, and hopefully,
I'm sure she'll be okay, she'll be just fine. I'll
be interested to see if they did do a prenup
because she's got a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, well, she's quite a smart businesswoman, so I'm assuming,
I'm assuming. Surely, yeah, surely. Well, thank you so much
for listening to the Spill today, and don't forget to
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Speaker 1 (30:45):
Bye Lan.
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura
Brodnick and I'm Cacenula Kid, and we have a big
build up of stories over the weekend. That's the fun
thing about a Monday show is that on Fridays we
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do like our fun little TV movie Deep Dive, and
then over the weekend, I'm just in my notes up
the whole time, all the little solicious updates that we
have to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I am going to just also address my voice. I
have had a flu and I sound I've got my
sexy flam going on.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So yeah, it's like that episode of Friends, you know,
where Phoebe gets sick and then she has this really
sexy singing voice and then she tries to get sick again.
So no, you do sound very sultry.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Thank you very much, And it's for all of the
sultry news that we've got today.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes, So coming up on the show today, there's been
a whole big divorce Converse station around Hayley Bieber and
Justin Bieber. It only took one photo to cement that story.
But we have an update that happened as we were
walking into the studio. Actually breaking news here, Investigative journalism
at play. Also, Timmy Hambrow has announced her divorce with
a very emotional video. The response from the public, which
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is what we're going to be talking about, along with
how the separation was bradcrumbed, has been very intense. So
we're going to get into that. But first we have
an update in the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively legal
case involving Taylor Swift. So a few weeks ago we
gave the update that Taylor Swift had been subpoenaed by
Justin Baldonie's legal team basically to potentially appear in Core,
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but also to have her phone in computer and computer
gone through to get evidence from the case. And they
put forward a motion to dismiss it, and we thought
that had gone ahead, but we had an update to
say the judge in the case has actually stepped in.
So a judge ruled on Wednesday that Justin Baldoni can
obtain any messages between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift that
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are about the making of it ends with us and
specifically to do with the sexual assault allegations that she's
put forward. So in his order, the judge said that
he found the messages can be very relevant to the
case and that a protective order in place was to
prevent them from leaking to the press. So that's been
the big thing is that Justin Baldoni is saying and
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his legal team is saying, that these messages could hold
the key to kind of proving his story right in
terms of how much Taylor Swift was involved in the
making of the movie, but more so about his behavior
on set. And then Taylor Swift's team and Blake Lively's
team separately because apparently something is going on behind the
scenes there, both came out and said that Justin's team
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was doing this just to kind of pull her into
the story, yeah, and get her and use her public
profile and her fandom to bring more attention to his
side of the case. So the judge has come out
and said that he's like overall the previous thing about
her not being able to be subpoened, so that the
messages can be used, but there's a privacy bare them
so they can't be leaked to the press.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It'll be interesting to see if they don't get leaked,
because it's one thing to say that, but as we
all know, these things often get let out. So I'm
sure they'll be heavily redacted. But I mean, this is
a pretty big ruling considering the fact that we're actually
now looking at private text messages between Taylor Swift and
Blake Lively, Like this is it's not a light thing.
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I mean, I don't know if I want anyone just
like grabbing my text messages.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
The proviso that it has to be either about the
movie or the sexual assault allegations, I think is really key.
So he's not going to get access his team and
not going to get access to every single text message.
But I'm interested to see how they police that, Like
how do they know that she's given over everything unless
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they go through everything?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah exactly that I guess potentially they have a third
party go through her phone just played or do a
keyword search. Well that was the thing in the markl
and Prince Harry trial when they were in that when
in that back and forth big legal case with the
British press is that what they can do is not
say like we want to see all your text messages,
but we want every message and email with these key words.
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And that's what Megan Michael was saying at the time.
She's like, the other side asked for words like Kate
William Archie Love all these kind of like weird words
because they were obviously trying to dig around and find
really salacious stuff. I think in this case too, because
this side of it has been so public and there's
been this real public speculation that Blake Lively and Taylor
Swift's like very long term, very close friendship, like she's
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godmother to her children, has come to an end. There
was the whole Travis Kelcey unfollowing Ryan Reynolds thing. Taylorsof's
team put out a statement after the subpoena was initially
pulled back, saying that she had wanted to have nothing
to do with this case. And I think what's really
telling if that, if you go through some of the
legal documents Blake Lively's team attempted to this is like
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coming from the reports from that have been put forward
from their legal teams, is that Blake Lively's team attempted
to bargain with Justin Baldonie's team saying that they would
hand over a lot of different things or video footage
related to the film, unreducted versions of communication, or they
would hand over all these other things listed in Justin
Baldoni's complaint if Taylor Swift's text messages weren't subpoened as
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like kind of a bargaining chip. And then Justin Baldoni's
team said no.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, look, I think Taylor would be absolutely furious
that she's been dragged into this because you know, she's
had such a great reputation for the last quite a
few years. Now. You know, she's taken back her power
doing all of her re recordings, and she's fought really
hard to have this reputation and to get sort of
dragged in by Blake Lively and it almost feels like unwillingly,
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unwillingly dragged into it feels kind of not very fair.
So I can imagine that that would be a relationship
ender for a friendship. Yeah, and it seems like she
really is. She's going, I don't want to have anything
to do with this. I'm stepping away.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, this court case is still taking place
in March of next year, which felt so far away,
but it's creeping closer. But I think we'll have as
I go through this discovery period and as all these
emails and different bits of evidence get lead, there'll be
more updates. But yeah, at the moment, those text messages
are one hundred percent part of the case, Nana. So
onto another story that's been bubbling away over the weekend,
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and that is this photo that has really cemented this
idea that Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber are headed for divorce.
So what happened is that Haley is out and about
New York and she's, you know, doing what a lot
of starlet's do when they're in New York. She's going
to all the popular restaurants, so she's walking along those
streets and she's looking gorgeous in her beautiful fits and
getting photographed. And that is half the point of going
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to New York is to kind of get that if
you're famous, to get that publicity. The only thing is
is that on Thursday she was photographed out and about
going for breakfast and going for dinner that night, both
times without her huge inc aangement ring that she always
has on her finger was not pictured. She later again
went out that night with Camilla Maroon and Suki Waterhouse,
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two other women who have both really been through the
ringer in the past, with famous men Leonardo DiCaprio and
Bradley Cooper, respectively. So I feel like that dinner, I
would have even anything to still on at dinner and
just hear about them talking about these famous childish men
that two of them escaped and one of them is
still married to. So these photos seemingly harmless except for
the fact that her ring wasn't pictured. Were just spread everywhere,
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all over the Internet, all over TikTok, all over every
social feed. All the tabloids picked it up, and it
really cemented the idea that they're headed for divorce after
all the negative speculation. Why are you laughing?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The reason I'm laughing is because the amount of times
I forget to put my engagement ring.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
On, Well, that's what I was thinking, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I put it on today because I knew we were
talking about it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, you don't want me to say to you, are
you getting divorced?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I often forget to put it on because I take
it off. I don't sleep in my ring. Is it
possible that she just forgot to put her ring on.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, that was my I thought too, because I have
seen her out because so much of Hailey Baber's brand,
along with owning her business, is that she does these
pap walks a lot of the time. And she's even
said she works with a stylist who is specifically just
for street style, so she pays the same amount to
her and Kendall Janna both do. They pay the same
amount to their street stylist as other celebrities do for
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a red carpet stylist. And so this woman will buy
these clothes, put these outfits together, and she'll literally just
wear them to walk down the street and get back
in the car. But that like really ups their their
like online cachet. It's like built their fandom. So it's
a really smart way to do it. So my only
thought was, if half of your brand is off these
paparazzi style shoots and you're paying thousands and thousands of
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dollars to this really well known stylist to style you
for these street style moments, that's and you don't wear
your wedding ring. To me, that's a little bit more
telling than just like the average lady out and about
who hasn't popped her ring on.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, understand what you're saying, but I mean the thing
is Saturday night, so two nights later, so there was
two images of her not wearing a ring, and then
at the girls' night. So when she steps back out
on the town, she's got the ring back on her finger.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yes, And actually as we were coming into the studio,
she was papped again walking up and down the street.
I can't even tell where she's going because it seemingly
is that she's just walking up and down the road
in front of like these New York hotels where I'm
not even sure if she's staying there, and the ring
is very visible on her finger. So yeah, it could
It could be just that she didn't put the ring on,
or she maybe just didn't go with this carefully curated
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outfit that she had paid thousands of dollars for someone
to pick out for her.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I think she just forgot.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I have seen her out and about without her ring before.
It's not something that I'm ever clocking. But but my
only thing is if you're being watched so intently, it
just feels like a bit of a choice potentially not
to put it on, even to say like, I'm not
gonna wear it and I don't care because it doesn't
go with my outfit, or I'm not gonna wear it
out tonight and I don't care what people think. I
just think it's come off the back of her bit
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of everything.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Just quietly.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I do think like a huge diamond with her ring.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Is pretty bloody gorgeous. I do really like her ring.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Can you imagine it doesn't go this huge diamond doesn't
go with my outfit?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, no, it's I think that I don't think it's
that it didn't go with her outfit. Might look I'm
going to give Hailey the benefit of the doubt because
they really I feel like she's been through the ring up.
There has been so much speculation about her relationship with Justin.
We talked about it here on the Spill a number
of times. They keep saying we're fine. Then that people
keep coming up with ways to say we're not fine.
(10:40):
You know, but you know it's like where they smoke
this fire. Maybe there is some validity behind this, but
until we hear otherwise, I'm giving her the benefit of
the doubt and just saying that she forgot to put
her ring on, Yes exactly, I mean you forgot to
put jewelry on today.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I know I've got no not none of them are
engaged in ring. But I forgot all of my jewelry
today and I nearly didn't come to work. I feel
like if you forget your jewelry, you shouldered to take
a personal day. Both Haley Beaber and I were in
the same boat. But I also think with this like
it's just a little I think just because the build
up from the last week, especially so Justin Bieber put
up this Instagram story saying he was being given the
silent treatment, people just assumed that was something to do
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with Haley. There was also that thing a while ago
where they'd unfollow each other on Instagram, which they do
a lot. They said it was a glitch, which I
don't know. Glitch is on Instagram get a bad rap
because every time a celebrity unfollows someone accidentally posts something
like something they say it's a glitch. We don't know.
There was. Obviously Justin Bieber's been a bit on the
record with some people who previously work with him that
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he's had some mental health issues. There is something there,
he's had some breakdowns with paparazzi. To be fair, the
paparazzi were literally like chasing him through the street and
half knocking him over, like I would have yelled at
them as well.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I do think Justin Bieber has something deeper going on.
I do think that he's probably in a little bit
of a crisis at the moment. I don't know. Did
you say their performance with Sissa, Yeah yeah, and all
these people were talking about how he was doing the fentifold.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah yeah, and they were playing it was super inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And we're saying it was the reason that he was
like nodding off is because he was on some really
hard drugs. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that was the speculation.
I don't obviously, we don't know what's going on with him,
but it's pretty clear from the from looking in he
doesn't look very well. Yes, whether that's just exhaustion or
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you know, maybe having a mental health crisis. Like, who
knows what's going on. But as we've seen so many
times with celebrities, if you keep pushing them, it's not
gonna make anything any better, you know what I mean. Now,
he's obviously going through something, whether their relationship is on
the rocks or not. They have the right to be
able to tell us when they're ready to, but they're
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really doubling down on the fact that they're okay.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes, well that's that's the thing. They're doing so much
press in one corner, and then these like a photo
without her without her ring, or that audit that was
done the other day that show that he was like
allegedly bankrupt, that's why he sold his masters, and then
that kind of flipped the story again. And then she'll
post like a beautiful photo of them with their baby
jack Blues, but then like a negative story. It's like this,
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it's like they're keep trying to like build up this
wall of like we're fine, we're fine, and they're like
another wave of bad publicity just keeps coming in and
just like knocking that wall over.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You think the sale of Road would give her a
couple more weeks, she only got like one good week
of press out. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, to be fair, that was a little bit of
justin Bieber's fault, because like that whole thing happened around
the time she did that Vogue article and he put
up and she was on the cover of Vogue, which
is like huge, and then he put up saying I'd
never thought she'd be on the cover of Vogue, and
it's like, like she's trying to do good publicity for you.
The interesting thing in that Vogue article is that she
did like she referenced exactly the conversation we're having now.
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She was like, I just have to accept that people
will never believe that we're happily married. She's like, I
kept thinking, like, once we got engaged, now people will
believe it. Once we got married, now people will believe it.
And then she was like, and now we have a baby, like,
now surely people will leave us alone. But I just
you kind of kind of like feel her defeat in
that Vogue article, and I think that that is probably
how she's seeing, like feeling at the moment seeing all
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these photos everywhere people thinking that they're getting divorced because
of that photo, and you're just like, like, now that
that story is out there, like you can't put the
genie back in the bottle.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, I think, you know what, We're gonna be talking
a lot about them this year. I feel I think
this is at the end of the Hailey justin drama.
I do think she just left it on the on
the counter. She forgot to put her ring on. Yeah,
she was putting cream on her hands or something. She
forgot to put her ring back on. That's my speculation.
It happens. We've got some more relationship news as well.
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Tammy Hembrou and Matt Zukowski have split, confirming their divorce
after less than a year of marriage. Now. She released
a seven minute TikTok video on her account the other
day app basically confirming what a lot of people have
been speculating for the last few weeks. So Tammy and Matt.
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Matt used to be on Love Island. They met, had
this beautiful wedding in Byron Bay. She wore the most
beautiful pale pink.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, it was gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That was a really beautiful dress, like stunning wedding. She
walked down the side of the pool. It was a
really glamorous, gorgeous wedding, but had like a seventiered cake.
It was very extravagant. Less than a year after getting married,
they're divorced now. In this TikTok video, she is basically
talking about how nasty everyone is. So I'm gonna just
(15:32):
have a quick listen to this.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Claire.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Obviously, I've like, I get a lot of nasty comments
being like, oh another marriage, like this is my first marriage,
just FYI, But no comment that anyone could say, like,
these comments haven't even been really getting to me, because
nothing anyone could say could make me.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Feel like more like shit than I already do, like
more humiliated or more like I already like think that
about myself right now.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So I don't think those comments are getting to me
because I'm already there.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Okay, So she's so here, we can see Tammy. She's
obviously really upset. She's talking about how you know, the
fact that the backlashes being a lot of people are
like a calm on lady, which I kind of have
to admit, I kind of feel.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, I understand because that has been the sentiment from
a lot of different people. It's interesting because I feel
like there's been such a build up to this. I mean,
there was so much sort of back and forth before
their wedding in December over whether or not they would
go through with it. Because they are one of those couples.
They are a little bit like Haley and Justin where
sometimes they'll do these little public things like unfollow each
(16:52):
other where you feel like they are just having a
tiff behind the scenes, but because they're so public, it
blows up into a big thing. And all those photos
came out leading up to their wedding where it looked
like Tammy was like breaking down at her hens party
and crying. People speculated it was because she was unhappy
she was getting married, or that Matt had done something,
And then every time something like a story like that
bubbled up. I guess because they're both such huge influences,
(17:16):
They've got these huge public profiles. She also owns a business,
he does a podcast, like so much of their life
is very very public, and it's almost like they had
to keep stepping in and doing damage control leading up
to the wedding, and then even after the wedding, there's
been such a huge build up to this divorce announcement.
So like again, they were following and following each other
(17:36):
on Instagram, which.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Is there was a lot of like lip syncing breakup
video like breakup songs like this has been people have
been speculating this for a long time. Yes, they had
kind of been the writing's been on the wall.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well exactly like, they haven't been pictured together in months.
They were sort of avoiding talking about each other in
interviews and all that sort of stuff. And then just
before this came out, she had missus Zikowski like in
her Instagram and then she deleted that first kind of
let people see that information, let them bubble away with
all their thoughts, and then put this video out.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
My feeling is this, She's clearly someone who loves deeply
and loves passionately, and there are people who who love
like that and fall hard and fast. She hasn't been
married before, she has been engaged before to her. I
think it's her third child's baby daddy. I think she
was engaged to him. She's got three kids. You know,
she's like, she's been through it. I don't feel sorry
(18:30):
for her really because and the reason I don't feel
it makes it sound really harsh. It makes me sound
like I'm being mean. But you're dating this person, you
have this massive weddings, this big display of love eight
months that is nothing in the scheme of a relationship
that is nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And also eight months they've announced it like it obviously
happened a few months ago.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
How can you give up that quickly if you're really
like eight months is like that.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And the reason I say that, like, and I'm not hered.
I'm not trying to sound like a like holier than
their relationship person, but I've been in a relationship with
my partner since, like for sixteen years. Eight months is nothing.
And I can tell you right now we've had periods
of eight months where I haven't wanted to talk to him.
But it doesn't mean that I've just like given up,
(19:21):
do you know what I mean? I feel like, you know,
she had this whole idea of this fairytale romance and
then it didn't work out, and I'm like, Okay, well
I'm just gonna get like.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But I don't think it's And again, I've gotta I
don't know these people, Like obviously, I know I know
their public profiles, but I have like no and I
don't only know like the surface level of their public profiles.
Like I'm not a huge follower of both of the
men anyway. But so when you say you don't feel sorry,
you're talking about that like that TikTok where she that
she put up where it like it's it's also set
(19:51):
up I think to be very and I'm not sort
of calling her like a mastermind or anything, but I
think someone who has built their entire public profile off
sharing videos of her life, if you're gonna post your
marriage ending video, you put a lot of thought and
time into how you do it. So I do think
it was quite curated in the way that she's just
sort of sitting in her closet, and it's not a
(20:11):
fancy looking closet, like I do think it is a
huge closet, but she's kind of sitting in one little
corner of it. There's all like the just the white
plastic hangers hanging behind her. She kind of looks like
she's just sort of just very casually sitting, Like her
makeup looks gorgeous, but like very natural. She's got like
a really soft yellow top on. All these things to
kind of just be like, this is relatable, this is vulnerable,
(20:32):
and it's not set like an opulent part of the
huge house we know she lives in. So I do
think that that was kind of set up in terms
of just knowing that also a lot of people who
don't follow her normally would come and watch the breakup video,
and knowing I think all these eyes would be on it.
But I also think, like the video itself, like I
did feel bad for her. I thought this was a
hugely vulnerable thing to share and like a really emotional
(20:53):
thing to look at. I don't know, maybe I'm just
a sad but I felt really bad, but.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I didn't Like I think she's being genuine when she
says she's humiliated. Absolutely, I do think she is. I
don't blame her for falling hard, like I don't blame
her for falling hard and fast for someone I don't.
I don't blame her, but I don't really feel sorry
for her, because like you're thirty one years old, lady,
Like you're you're a grown ass woman, you've got three kids,
(21:20):
Like yeah, I know, But I just think him as well,
Like I'm not just putting this on her, like I'm
also putting this on you, like both they both are
responsible for the press.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But also we don't like the thing in the video
is like she talked a lot about like she's like
I need to take responsibility. I've made bad relationship choices.
I need to like be you know, thinking of my kids.
So she said all that, but she didn't actually say
why they broke up, like for all we know, and
again this is just allegedly, but for all we know,
like he cheated on her or she cheated on him,
like we just don't know. There were all those photos
that came out, like just before she put the announcement
(21:50):
out of him with a journalist. I don't want to
say her name because I don't know if she's getting
a lot of hate and that sort of stuff, But
there were photos that came out. They're being photos previously,
so it's one of those things we just don't know
what happened. But I just think also, and again I
feel like I'm really projecting on this woman who I
don't know, but I feel like there still is this
huge thing, especially if you live a very public life,
to have that big fairy tail wedding and just to
(22:11):
lock it down. So it kind of does feel like
they were in that situation where it just went too
hard and too fast and the big wedding was locked
in and they engage like they're engagement was this huge
thing on a beautiful overseas tropic or island on the beach, and.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Just like just pump the brakes for a second.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I know, But I also just think that some people
just live very like accelerated live.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I know, but this is the thing, the thing that
really can you imagine being a guest at that wedding?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Oh no? Can I just and I have been to
weddings like that, Like haven't you been to weddings like that?
Where you're sitting there and it's so opulent, so over
the top, and you're looking at these people and sometimes
I just feel like I'm like a crazy person in
a horror movie where like everyone's been taken around by clones.
Because I look around and I'm like, we all know
this is a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Do you need to do like a return policy if
it's within twelve months, like you know, can I get
my gift back?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I mean, look, if their marriage ends terrible after a
few months, I'm happy for them to keep the gift.
But I'm just saying, we've all gone to weddings where
you're like, I just feel like this like the train
had just left the station and they had to stay
on it, and we're all sitting here agreen that these
people shouldn't be getting married, and they're saying all these
things to each other in front of.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ass ingenuous well, yes, exactly, you know, I mean, like
professing your love for each other and then eight months,
eight months, and that's what we know. So let's just
say they split up four months ago or whatever. Yeah,
so you're saying to me, you're professing your love to
each other with this multi you know, hundreds and thousands
of dollars on this wedding, talking about how much you
(23:38):
adore each other, and then four months, six months, like
it's done.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I know, but again I don't performative. Well, I think
performative is why a lot of people get stuck in
these situations because once you set up this huge wedding
and people book travel and you and you do all
this stuff, it would be so hard to pull the plug.
And I feel like that's what so many people who
have had marriages that have ended really shortly like. And
it's always the women who have to come out and
(24:04):
explain it and say everything. But like, and I think,
like it happens more than we kind of realize, just
like when it happens on a huge scale to a celebrity,
it seems bigger, Like the same thing happened with Kim
Kardashi and when she married Chris Humphreys, like she was
at the end, was like sobbing and saying, I'm so humiliated.
I think it must be like it must feel like
a deep humiliation. But she was just saying it was
too much like the wedding was all set up like
(24:27):
people what everyone was later it was this huge, opulent thing.
And I also think about like Olivia Molly Rodgers, who
was talked about in her podcast and she's written about
it for Mamma Mia, where she also said that to
her when she was getting married, that she was also
feeling those doubts leading up into the wedding day, but
she also just like it was she just felt like
it was a bit too late to pull out. And
(24:48):
I think also a lot of these women just think,
like leading up to these weddings, like it's very heightened,
there's a lot of stress. And I think what something
they all seem to tell themselves is once we get
through this and we get back to normal life, things
will be better. So we just have to get through,
you know, like you just cut compartment, right.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I do feel a little bit sorry for her, but
also but I just I just I just look at
it and I'm Forgod's sake.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And again, I think that's what a lot of people.
I was like deep in the comments for all of
this because I wanted to see how people are reacting
and apart from some people being like, I think you're
the problem, and I'm like, oh, it's a bit harsh,
Like it's a bit harsh having like three partners and
your thirty is like not that, it's just that she's
a public figure, so it seems.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
More than three kids. I think. Yeah, I think it's
the kids thing that I think a lot of people
sort of slut shame her for a little bit. And
I'm not here to slut shame her, but I do
think once you have children, it's your responsibility to protect them,
particularly from relationships. And these kids are old enough to
know what's going on. Oh yeah, well I mean they
were all yeah, so she's clearly embarrassed by that. I'm
(25:48):
not saying she's a bad mother at all. Yeah, of course,
I'm sure she wants what's best for her children. You
can tell she loves her children. I'm not saying that
at all, But like, you know, you've gone through all
of this is huge to do, and now what it's over.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, well I Also I wonder if the kids thing
is a factor too, And again it's so so storry
to be having this conversation about someone we don't know.
But again, so much of her life is public and
people project things on because if you even when she
was single before she met Matt, there were people being like, oh,
those kids need like a stable influence, they need like
a father figure, even though that obviously have their fathers
who are involved in their lives. And so you have
(26:24):
this it's almost like a no win situation, Like you
have this pressure to be married and to be in
this very happy relationship, and you have this pressure to
get this fairy tale ending, which like still to this
day getting married, as much as like everyone says like
it's not, it is like getting married is still the
biggest achievement in a woman's life publicly, Like it's the
only time you get that sort of level of adoration
(26:46):
and fame and love and success. It's the only time
you really get celebrated once you become an adult. So
I think it's hard to sort of have that and
be like, this is the main thing we're going to
celebrate you for. But then if you rush into it
because you're trying to get this thing that people are
telling you should have, then you get punished for it.
I don't know, it's a very strange thing. I did
see a lot of people being like, she doesn't have
to explain. But I feel also like you if you've
(27:08):
monetized it to make it, and you've like picked all
these people to know why, yeah, oh, I mean I
would love to know more details later. I'm not above
that gossip, but I know I'm from the general from
the video where she's explaining, I saw a lot of
people in the comments being like, you don't know us anything,
And I do think it's that fine line where like
she's such a public figure and that wedding like they
(27:28):
created a huge amount of content from it. I still
also think no one gets married just for content. I
feel like people do a lot of other things for content,
but I think actually getting married is such a step
too far, because yes, you get the photos, but then
you have to the initial payoff you get with sharing
the photos would not be worth the months of like
backlash and speculation you get and having to make that video,
(27:50):
like they they really cancel each other out. So I
don't think anyone does it for I think that kind
of it kind of like makes.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I think it got like she got caught up in it,
probably because of all of that, yeah, and the attention
and being in love and the ring and a big party.
Like I'm sure that that's part of it. You know,
who knows why this ended, But to be honest, it
was almost as soon as they got married, the speculation
that they would no longer together stop absolutely because they
(28:17):
see like and that's I think what kind of irritates
me a little bit. I'm like, I know, people get
married and then they get divorced, but like marriage is.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Hard, like yeah, but I think why some of these
marriages that end after a few months, I think why
they break up and why people who have been together
for years break up. Would be such a difference, Yeah,
such a different situation. And if you, like, if you've
been with someone for a few months and you get
swept up in the idea of a wedding and the party,
and then the party is over and you're you're looking
at that person, I can one hundred percent understand why
(28:49):
you would say, like, I'm not going to try with
you because I don't even like you. Yeah, Because I
think when you're talking, you're ow your husband having bad spots.
That's because you've been in love for years and you
have that foundation. But that was a stranger that you
don't even know on for a few months, and you'd
only know on them. But I wouldn't have gotten marriage
to different like situations. But if you've only known this
person in these beautiful romantic resorts or at events or
(29:09):
planning or I think that's very different to breaking up
with someone who you've been like in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
That's why I like, take your freaking time, girl.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, well, I'm sure she's wishing that now, Like that
was my thought watching that video, and maybe I'm just
such a sap. I felt, really I felt so emotional
watching that for her because I was just like when
she kept saying, I'm so humiliated, and I was like,
this would be a lot. And also I also just
wonder what was going through her mind on the wedding day,
like because again so many women now who have gone
through that and who have publicly talked about it say like,
(29:39):
on the day, I felt sick on the day, I
didn't want to do it, and I wonder, like she
might never say it, but I wonder when you see
those photos of her and that beautiful pink Vera Wang
gown and like looking so happy shit and like with yeah,
with that beautiful estate in the flowers and her kids
like running up to her and being like mommy or
a princess. All that I want her from a head,
she's just like feeling sick, Like I just think that
(29:59):
would just be the worst feeling for it to be
so public and just feeling like so trapped.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Look, maybe she's gonna learn a lesson from this, and hopefully,
I'm sure she'll be okay, she'll be just fine. I'll
be interested to see if they did do a prenup
because she's got a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, well, she's quite a smart businesswoman, so I'm assuming,
I'm assuming. Surely, yeah, surely. Well, thank you so much
for listening to the Spill today, and don't forget to
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Speaker 1 (30:45):
Bye Lan.
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