The Video That Proves Tom Cruise And Brad Pitt Are Fighting, And The TV Show That Shocked The World.
June 24, 2025 • 36 mins
First up, we're chatting about the genre-bending show everyone was bingeing over the weekend - and how its cast list is surprisingly stacked with nepo babies.
Then, two of Hollywood's biggest stars reunited on the red carpet for the first time in 25 years. We dive into the rumours that have shrouded their relationship for decades, and the lore behind the apparent long-held feud.
And finally, Anna Camp’s facing backlash against her new relationship, for the significant age age gap between her and girlfriend Jade Whipkey. We unpack why public reactions to celeb couples aren’t always made equal and what that says about how we view power and privilege.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassanila Kitch.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And coming up on the show today, a very well
known star and a camp from the Pitch Perfect franchise
has made her debut with her new girlfriend, which was
very lovely. But people have some extreme thoughts on their
age gap, so we're going to get into that. Plus,
my favorite long term celebrity feud that we never get
to talk about because they avoid each other like the plague,
has finally resurfaced thanks to a very awkward red carpet video.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I love this feud because it's one that nobody actually
really thinks about. And when we were doing our production meeting,
you were talking about the history of ours. Like, Laura,
your pop culture knowledge is on mad the amount of space.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
This is taken up in my brain for the last
twenty years. But look, Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, they've
got a history and it's not a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's not a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So we're going to get into that, but first I
have just well not exactly an apology, but I just
want to sort of acknowledge something that happened with the
Spillers over the weekend. So, as you would all know,
on Friday mornings, we drop Weekend Watch, which is our
Friday morning podcast where we talk about all the new
TV shows and movies that are coming out this week.
And last week I recommended We Were Liars, which is
(01:44):
a new show, and for your chance to watch it
yet I haven't.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now I'm scared to.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I no, no, don't why. I'm not going to
say any spoilers here, but I recommended that it's a
new drama series I guess you'd call it that's just
come out in prime video. It's based on a novel
of the same name that won a whole bunch of awards,
and when we were talking about it, it's obviously you
don't want to kind of give too much away, so
I was like, it's like a teen romance drama. It's
about this very very rich family called the Sink. They
(02:10):
live on a private island off Martha's vineyard. Like that's
how opulent it is, and there's a mystery behind the scenes.
But I didn't want to say anything else.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But you misled some of our listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I well, yes, because I went too hard on the
teen romance. And if you're online over the weekend you
would have seen because so many people binged it in
one go particular, people in Australia who are watching it
on Prime were putting up reaction videos to it, just sobbing.
Like my TikTok fee was just full of that, people sobbing,
people saying they were taking personal leave all over my
insta because the thing is just like defending myself here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Did you get some dams being like Laura, you've deceaved that?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh I did. I got so many dms from spillers.
Sorry guys, of being like Laura. I thought I was
watching a sex, sexy teen summer romance movie. I thought
I was watching like, like, you know, like a rich
people behaving badly, which it is. But it has this huge,
huge plot twist, which I did know about fo I
recommended it, but guys, I can't tell you. I can't
tell you before it starts. So but it wasn't just
(03:09):
our listeners. Even though I was getting heaps of dms
like so many people were having this. I don't know,
it's just this viral TikTok thing of.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
It's almost like you know how Sirens starts out one
way and then there was like that bit of a
genre flip. Is it kind of a bit like that
you kind of think it's one thing, although the trailer
there is a lot of like you can say something
kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I know something dark has happened, but you don't
know the full extent, and it is it is pretty
shuddering when you watch it. So I just kind of
love when like everyone watches the same show together over
a weekend and we all have this kind of collective
reaction to it.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
This is like a huge NEPO baby series though, Like
I was looking at the casting of it. We've got
Maimie Gummer who plays Carry Sinclair Dennis and she's the
daughter of Meryl Street. Yes as Esther McGregor who plays
mir and Sinclair. She's the daughter of actor Ewan McGregor.
Emmeline Alan Lynde is Cadence Sinclair. She also comes from
(04:04):
an acting family. Her actress is Barbara Allan Woods and
her sisters and Natalie Olivia asot actresses. And then there's
another guy in it who is Joseph Zada, and he's
gonna be playing Hamage Abernathy in the upcoming.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Hand The other thing, that's the other thing that's gone
really viral, And I do feel bad when I was
talking about the show yet the other day about Emily
alan Lynd, because I was talking about her being on
Gossip Girl, which is obviously a huge thing because she
was a big breakout star of the reboot, but I
did not mention that her mother, Barbara Allan Lynn, is
not as well known as you and mcgreg got or
Meryl Streep out of that whole NEPO baby kind of
cohort that's on the show. But she did play Deb
(04:41):
Scott on One Tree Hill. Do you ever watch One
Tree Hill? That is the ultimate teen show for so
many people, and she's on it for most of the show,
and she's like quite a big character. And I didn't
even realize when she was on Gossip Girl that her
mother was such an iconic person. So that's just a
little exciting thing for people who are watching the show.
But yeah, the other thing that's really taken off online,
(05:02):
particularly on TikTok, is the fact that Joseph Zada, who
plays Johnny, is going to play Hamage Abernathy in the
new Hunger Games prequel movie, and he got asked about
that all through the press to it because it had
just been announced. Obviously, the casting for that has been
really intense. I've been doing those reveals every day.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, I'm I'm actually really excited about this because I
always really liked the Hunger Games books. I quite liked
the series. I know there's been some like people who
weren't that keen on them, but I really like the
law behind those earlier games.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, particularly Hamig's games. I don't know if you've ever
gone deep into like the Wikipedia like what happened in
Hamig's games, did you.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Ever go into an extent? Well, I've read them. I like,
I love the Hunger Games books. The movies are quite
The first movie is good, the second, and they kind
of get.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Progressively when they split the last into two novels.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The books are so incredibly written and Hamig is such
a standout character, and Woody Harrelson played him in the movie.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
He actually think it was really great.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That was perfect casting. It's so funny because Joseph's been
doing all of this wee Weellias press, and everyone's so
excited about him playing Hamage. They were like, has wood
he reached out to you? And he was like, no,
because I hear Woody Harrelson doesn't have a phone, which
I so believe.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I so believe that you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Apparently his niece got in contact with Johnny and said like,
my uncle's really excited for you. So he's just kind
of going, yeah, I just one hundred percent believe that
he doesn't that he doesn't have a phone, but he's
very aware of the news. So that's yeah, being a
whole thing of kind of like everyone kind of in
here getting a taste of this person who's going to
(06:37):
be this huge movie star in this movie playing this
really kind of yeah, intense role.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well, I think that, I mean the thing with this,
I know we're kind of we've actually kind of gone
a little bit offscript here. Yeah, but I'm really excited
about Hunger Hunger Gays. He's not going to be an
alcoholic because he hasn't even gone into the game yet.
He becomes an alcoholic and becomes really bad, yeh, do
you win?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, there's so that's what the sunrise on the Reaping
book and there's a line in there where he says
someone offers him a drink and he's like, no thanks,
someone much of a drinker, which, as a fan of
the books, will just like hit you in the heart
because you kind of see that when we first get
introduced him in the Hunger Games books, he's so reliant
on alcohol because of the trauma he's been through.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, oh my gosh. So when it comes out, we'll
do a little we'll do a nice review.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yes, yes, we'll cover that movie when it comes out.
So the cart thing's been huge. But also if everyone
who watched me were lies, don't spoil it for anyone.
I'm sorry, do you mean to mislead you guys, but
just know we were all crying together. Well, this morning
we all woke up to some very important groundbreaking news,
and that is the fact that Tom Cruise and Brad
Pitt had reunited on the red carpet for the f
(07:42):
One Movie, which is brad Pitt's new movie. But it
wasn't that typical two big celebs or like former co
stars getting together. You know, have former co stars, especially
if they've been in some sort of a hit movie
or a hit TV show. They know that when they
reunite a public space like that, it's just going to
be photographed from every angle, and they usually go very
over the top.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well, you think about someone like Brad Pitt and George
Clooney who will always say ever, like there is that
that red carpet moment is you know what's going to
be saying on the.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Carver, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But this particular interaction, and it was really interesting when
we saw. When I saw this interaction, I watched it
without sound and I could feel from the energy that's something.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It was off.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
It's like then I realized that, hey, I've actually never
seen them together, even though they're two of the biggest
A listers in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh yeah, they have not been photographed together for decades,
and that's very intentional, you know their history. But so
like they're standing there on the red carpet and Tom
Cruise is there and he's in movie Star I'm on
a red carpet mode, and then Brad pick comes walking
towards him and it's such a brief moment you have
to watch a hundred times like I did. But Brad
Pitt kind of puts his arms out like he's going
(08:54):
to hug Tom Cruise like he's going in for the
basic red carpet hug, and then Tom Cruise kind of
puts his arm across like to almost like stop him,
but then gives him like a little handshake, and then
he leans into that quick little bro like shoulder bump
that men do when they kind of like okay, it
was you could tell, and and then they quickly separate
from each other.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So so Brad's obviously trying to do the whole like
I'm going to put a front toe, whereas Tom with
his like probably his like scientology stuff, is like I'm
not gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
But he is a big for people. He likes on
a red carpet. He is a big hugger. He's a
big like hey kind.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Of nice he was when he was here for.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I know, I always tell people he's the nicest celebrity
you ever meet. He wants to like.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Really good handshake to me. And then I hosted an
event with them actually just like yeah, the MLC Center
because it was his universal picture and I hosted an
event with him, and he was so kind to me.
He remembered my name. He shook my hand like love.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Although like you're the only person in the room.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Maker we wear flats.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I have not. I've heard that from so many people,
and you can see it on the red carpet because
he's so much I actually think it's fine that Tom
Cruise was a short man, Like, yeah, I think he's
proven that we women. I know, I think I was where.
I don't think I think because I was just on
the red carpet, like his team weren't monitoring. But I
do remember having to look quite far down and I'm tall,
so I look down to everyone. But he is a
(10:14):
short man. Yeah, but that's fine. But I always remember
I always say this to people, like when they sort
of like want to know what Tom Cruise is like,
and I was like, you can have the briefest interaction
with that man and he would just make you feel
like you're the only person in the room, so lovely.
So the fact that he couldn't muster up for Brad
Pitt is really telling that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's kind of what I saw in that. I was like,
this man is a very like he's very good at
making people feel like really seen. And I would say
that has a lot to do with, you know, his
history with highentology, and we know that that kind of
is a big part of it. But the fact that
he couldn't muster up, yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Fos to put it on for the cameras.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, but okay, Laura, you have the law behind this.
Can you please give us a little bit of a
history lesson on the Tom Cruise Brad Pitt feud.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, So, once upon a time, going back to the nineties,
goad like every everyone get crazy, poorglass of wine, light
a candle because in the nineties, Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt,
right the two biggest superstars in the world. Like they're
huge now obviously, but right then it was like them
dominating the box office. And one of the biggest book
franchises in the world was The Interview with the Vampire series.
(11:23):
That's the first book in this series written by Ann Ryce.
So it was a huge deal when that book was
being adapted to be this big blockbuster movie and everyone was,
you know, really kind of like who we're going to
pay If you haven't read the book, it's about these
two vampires. So you have Louis, who Brad Pitt played,
and then Tom Cruise, who played the stat who's one
of the most famous vampires in cinema, and so when
(11:46):
it was announced that they were cast, everyone was like, oh, yeah,
we can see Brad Pitt as Louis de Pointe de Lac.
Don't come at me. I probably said that wrong, but
you know that's I'm not French. Yes, and then Delion
called are their two names, and everyone's like, oh, yeah,
we see Brad Pitt. There was a huge question mark
over Tom Cruise playing that role because he was kind
(12:07):
of seen as not as like a blockbuster action star
that he couldn't really kind of embody this very ancient, dark, brooding,
sexy vampire. Let's think about Tom Cruise, I would say,
a great movie stuff not sexy, no, maybe to an
extent zero zero sex, zero sexyzro, whereas Brad Pitt oozing
(12:27):
sexy even now, I hate to say it.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
In Louise like come on.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And this wasn't that long after, like I mean, that
was his first big movie role, so people still really
had that Filmer and Laurie's moment with him being naked
in their heads so hot about damn like old Black
Bride Pit like early two thousands, Brad Pit, Jen Addiston,
Brad Pitt yeah, look at his sixties now he's still
looking pretty. I kind of do hate that, but he
(12:54):
still is. Brad Pit could be my dad, that's how
old he is. Yeah, exactly, he's in his sixties, which is.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And where like millennials.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, not even that. His girlfriend's younger than us. Just
so you know, so you're still in with a chance.
Don't ever doubt yourself for sale. I remember when Gonne
with Paltrow was an Australia and she was doing that
talk with JACKIEO, and Jackie OO asked her what was
it like to date Brad Pitt at the height of
him being hot Brad Pitt and Greneth Peltro was like,
it was fucking amazing. He's gonna say that it was
so good. I would just like love. Okay, we've gone
(13:25):
to try, but in a great way. Look, so they
were cant of you with a vambire. This movie is iconic.
If you haven't seen it yet, you need to go.
It's one of the best vampire movies. Kirsten Dance is
like a twelve year old. It's her first big movie
role as well. She plays Claudia and yeah, it is
just a sumptuous, incredible movie. But when they started filming,
(13:48):
that's when the cracks between Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt
really started to form. One is that there's a really
infamous interview with Brad Pitt that he did with Entertainment
Weekly years after the movie was made, and they said
to him, because it had been such a big talking
point at the time, that during the press and during
like even when he was making the movie, he was photographed,
everyone's like, Brad Pitt looks like he wants to die.
(14:10):
And he confirmed that interview. They said to him, you
looked really miserable in the movie. You looked really miserable
making the movie. What happened? And he said, I am
miserable because he hated filming in the dark because they're vampires.
They filmed all night. He hated filming in the cold,
he hated the makeup. But mostly he said that he
hated playing the He essentially like, I'm playing the bitch
(14:31):
role to Tom Cruise, and he didn't know. He must
not have read the book, which is so wild, or
maybe I guess the book like the it's always going
to look different on screen. But he says that he
didn't have any scripts to look at before they started shooting,
and the interview is saying to him, but you're brid Pitt, like,
you couldn't have demanded a script, and he's like, the
script wasn't given to me. So we were locked him
(14:52):
We're about to film, and that's when I saw how
my character was going to be portrayed, that I was
essentially being like the bitch character. And this was a
Tom Cruise vehicle and it was all about Tom Cruise
to the point where he was friends with one of
the producers on Into the Vampire, and he called him
and said, what will it take to get me out
of this. I'll do anyth or pay anything, just get
me out of this movie. And this was halfway into filming,
(15:14):
and the producer said, it'll cost you forty million dollars
if you exit this project, and brad Pitt said, okay,
then don't worry about it, and they kept filming. But
they've talked about it a bit over the years, and
they've never actually come out and said there was like
a feud between them. But there's their story and what
some people have said behind the scenes. I just feel
doesn't completely line up with like how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I feel like there's a massive ego thing there.
Like it's like Brad Pitt probably was used to being,
you know, the center of attention, and Tom Cruise demands
the center of attention.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That's interesting thing about these two actors is that I
remember reading this piece of that Andy Fair years ago
and the film reviewer saying that the interesting thing about
Brad Pitt is that he is a character actor stuck
in the body of a really hot man. And I'm like,
I do kind of believe that's true, because he does
like tend to as much as he uses like sex symbol,
he does tend to be a bit of this kind
of character actor. So he's on the set trying to
(16:06):
do that. And then he said Tom Cruise came in
being like overly flamborne, and Brad Pitt would be like,
sometimes I just want to shuffle into the room Tom.
As we were just saying, Tom Cruise has to like
shout into the room, he has to do a handshake
with everyone, very over the top. He was also really
in his head Tom Cruise, because he knew that people
didn't want him to play this character, even the author
(16:27):
Ann Rice at the time, like allegedly she came around
to it later on, but she initially wasn't happy with
his casting. So he's there with something to prove. Brad
Pitt's there thinking that he's he's and he's hating being there,
and so apparently they were clashing over there the different
ways they wanted to work.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It's just it's a personality difference.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, clearly just two dowphers.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, they just don't get along exactly. It's interesting that,
like we're talking with ninety four, this is what that's
thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Basically, Yeah, exactly, and they're still not over it, which
I kind of do get. Like when you have a
colleague who or like a former colleague who you bump
into at work events and you just like frecking hate you,
but you've got to I'm not talking about anyone, by
the way, but I'm just saying that thing. I don't know.
I've had a lot of jobs over the years, but
you know, everyone has those Everyone has those people that
you're like you have to be nice to in public.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah. I mean it's interesting because it was so awkward.
If you like watching it there is you can feel
how uncomfortable it is. Yeah, And I think it's it's
most of the discomfort is coming from Tom, because he's
the one that did that put the initial brakes on it.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I wonder if it's because Tom Cruise is very like,
He's very like, you know, I'm the film I'm the
filmmaker here and movies are so important and he doesn't
often talk ill, not the brad Pit does either, because
they're like these untouchable golden boys. But I feel like
maybe the fact that this has followed them around for
so long, he's not loving with like this persona if
(17:53):
he wants to be the golden boy of Hollywood. And
I don't think they ever had like a. I mean
there's there's whispers of them like having fights on set,
and that Kirsten Dunce kind of took as a child,
took brad Pitt's side a bit, but but yeah, exactly.
She was like and she says that my that movie
was super difficult because she was a child. She had
(18:13):
to kiss brad Pitt on screen, which she said was gross,
and I agree with her.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That would be so gross. It's like a twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah exactly. And I think she was just like with
these two alpha men who were kind of going back
and forth, although Tom Cruise does send her a cake
every year. Still, I wonder if brad Pitt's on the
Infamous cake.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
List, He's probably not the coconut cake.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh that's if you're Tom Cruise and you don't put
someone on your coconut cake list, that is the ultimate burn,
Like you might as well have slapped him across the face.
There's a few. Okay, this is getting a bit gossipy,
but I have read like a kind of a few
like behind the scenes kind of like four of me things.
And because I'm so like invested in this movie because
I love the book, I love the movie. I love
the new TV series that they've done about it. It's
(18:50):
so good. But apparently, yeah, they would get very like
because they're in their scenes together. It's very intense because
Tom Cruise's character is this one hundred year one hundred
year old vampire who finds Brad Pitt's character and turns
him into a vampire, and then they're forever linked and
they like walk through the world to get trying to kill,
(19:10):
kill and have like yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And then they killed that's why they kill, kissed and dance.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That is really something.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That seems so sad.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Antonio Banderi killed her.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, yeah, with the woman.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah yeah, the one who she wanted to turn into
her mother's movie or all. But it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
But I'm just remembering, as I haven't seen it in age,
remembering all these different scenes.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot happening there.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And hair when her hair, when she becomes a vampire, her.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hair, her hair grows back. Yeah, it's really cool. So yeah,
so it's such a good movie. But apparently in some
of the scenes, because Tom Cruise was trying to give
the performance of his career and prove he was a
proper actor not just an action star, he got too
over the top. And I've seen these allegations that he
flicked physically Brad Pitt, and Brad Pitt like got so angry,
was like what the fuck are you doing? Like you
can't do that and that, and that was kind of
(19:58):
a catalyst. I've seen that proven nowhere, So I'm probably
just passing the gossip along. But I do feel like
from what I've seen that even if that specifically didn't happen,
although I love to think it did, that it was
filming those scenes, just the two of them that kind
of heightened this feud, and apparently this is the most
matro like not matro but like Hollywood kind of boy.
(20:19):
Thing I've heard is that they're both super competitive, so
at nighttime they would go cart race.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, this is a surprise with Tom Cruise is
very competitive and like I'm massive, Like he this is
why he does all his own stunts because he's got that.
He likes to be that that machismo of his is
like such a big part of his Yeah, like I
think it's a bit of a short man thing, like, yeah,
he's got.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And like so they channel I guess it's good, and
the production him were really really happy. They're like, if
these these two Hollywood guys come to blows on set,
that's going to be so expensive to shut down production
of one of them leaves. So I think that they
were kind of pushed to channel all of their feuding
into gor go cart racing behind the scenes to kind
of I wonder if that's what's kind of spurred Tom
Cruise into doing his stunts. He's like, I'm going to
(21:03):
show you, Brad Pitt, No, I'm going to be.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's always been Tom, but we haven't really seen Tom
in other movies that are like he is an act stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well, that's exact. Brad Pitt over the years has leaned
more into being a dramatic actor, and he chased that
Oscar so hard.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Working with Quentin Tarantino, working in those kind of more
character based movies, like that's kind of been Brad's career.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, whereas he's chasing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
This impossible fifty four Like, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
He's chasing that big audience reaction. I also saw that
There's the last thing to kind of bring it back
to them being at the f one event is that
apparently Tom Cruise is also extra angry at Brad because
not only has he been his nemesis for over thirty years,
and they haven't been pictured together in twenty years. And
that's the thing too, is like it's interesting that they
never did another movie together because their names together again
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would have brought in so much money. And Brad Pitt
notoriously loves to like work with his inner circle of
Hollywood stars over and over and over again. And he's
like the big kind of like he's like the leader
of the Hollywood pack. He's like the pack wolf. And
then Tom Cruise is like kind of the Lone Wolf.
But also I'm just really assigning their narratives.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I quite like this.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But also Tom Cruise like to surround himself with the
really young generation of Hollywood because he's like, I'm a mentor.
But he wouldn't go hang out with Brad Pitt. But
apparently he's upset about Brad Pitt making an F one
movie because he wanted to. He wanted to do a
sequel today as of Thunder after Top Gun, Maverick did
so well, and we can't have two car movies apparently
with two Hollywood stars.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
At the same time. So I feel like Tom needs
to just like it's enough being the lead in action movie.
No let him go.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He wants to. I just he wants to. Everyone says
he wants to die during a stunt, and I do
believe that's true. When he was last year for Mission
Impossible and he bought this because it was Simon Pegg's birthday,
he bought this birthday k out on stage and it
didn't have just normal candles. He had to like light
fireworks and he'd been Tom Cruise are like literally an
outside the theater setting, like helping the people set off
the fireworks. Or like supervising, because he was like, this
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is my night. And I was like, Tom Cruise, if
you want to die in a firework explosion, that's fine,
but don't take me down with you just because you
want to go on a blaze of glory, because no
one's gonna care about my death if I die in
the room with Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I did this thing with him for The Mummy.
You know that. Yeah, it wasn't a great movie.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
But he was guns are bleazing on that press too.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was yeah because he did this, like they did
this big anti gravity thing. He was talking about it anyway,
but yeah, he like he loves that stuff and that's
like where he gets his joy from. I mean, live
your joy.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So we'll post that video to our Instagram account if
you want to go and dissect it in the way
that we have, but kind of say, let the boys fight,
let them have, let them be enemies. I love it
so much for the history lesson I I can't believe
that it teachers in schools.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So Anna Camp has made her Red Cover debut with
her girlfriend Jade Whipkey, and they made their Red Cup
debut together at the Bride Heard premiere. The reason people
are talking about this is because there is an eighteen
year age gap. Anna kind of only recently came out.
She just came out this Pride Month as a lesbian
with and this is her first relationship that she just
(24:07):
made public, So good for her. She said that the
feedback has been really really great for most people, and
people have been very very supportive of her. But she
addressed this backlash people like, you know, this is a
bit icky, like I'm so happy that you're queer, but
eighteen years is just way too far apart. And she
addressed the backlash saying, you know, she's way more mature
(24:29):
than any man she's dated her own age, that they
have a really strong about ability and a deep connection.
So we've got more in common than anyone else I've
ever dated, and can literally talk about anything and everything.
I kind of wanted to kind of go into this
one because there was something about this age gap that
didn't bother me initially, and I thought that that was
(24:51):
really interesting because often when we see a large age
gap relationship, which we have seen with a lot of celebrities,
and it usually goes in the way of older man
and younger women. Yeah, exactly, And The big issue that
a lot of people have with it is that there
is an innate power imbalance between an older male star
(25:15):
and a younger female star. The reason this doesn't feel
weird to me, I think a big part of it
is because it is a queer relationship. And I was
trying to think about why it didn't make me as
uncomfortable as what like a Leo and his most recent
(25:36):
twenty five year old And I think the reason is
that in a queer relationship, you're already looking at a
power shift. Right, So a queer couple is already going
to face backlash more so than a straight couple. Right.
She's just come out, so her vulnerability as a queer
(25:57):
woman is still like she's still going to be in
that beginning stage of her coming out process. Like she's
she's forty two, but this is the first time she
sort of addressed this publicly. She's got this sense of
vulnerability there. And her girlfriend, who is you know, she's
a stylist and a created professional in LA. She's worked
(26:20):
with celebrities like Kiki Palmer and Destiny Rodgers. She's you know,
established within the industry. She's got her own job and
career that imbalance doesn't seem as obvious in this couple. Yeah,
you know what I mean. That makes sense to you.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
No, I had the same thing when I was looking.
It was sort of delving into their relationship and the
first time I realized there was an age gap because
I didn't know her new girlfriend enough to know what
her age was, and so I didn't know until the
information started coming out. It's interesting how did the tone
around Anna Camp and her girlfriend switch so quickly, because
when it first came out, like there were some pat photos,
(26:59):
but also that they posted a photo to Instagram's confirming
they were together, and initially like they're like at a
court at a. Camp's core fan base I think was
really thrilled because she has to huge following, in particular
from the Pitch Perfect movies and the Pitch Perfect Girls.
Like there's something about like their people being very invested
(27:19):
in their love lives because that was such a huge
movie franchise, but behind the scenes, they were all having
kind of a shit time in their romantic relationships. Like
it came out that like Anna Kendrick had been in
an emotionally abusive relationship for many years, never named the person,
but it's kind of thought that it was when these
movies were happening, and that's why she made that Alice
Starling movie that's about emotional abuse. And then Brittany Snow
(27:43):
got married to a reality TV star and that was
such a huge thing to she shared this fairy tale,
only then to watch the reality show play out and
realize he was kind of cheating on her with a
co star, and then they divorced. And then Anna Camp
actually fell in love with Skyler Austin, who's the lead
in Pitch Perfect. That he's a love interest for Anna
Kendrick's character, and that was a huge thing because she
had been divorced previously to working on Pitch Perfect and
(28:06):
she didn't think she'd find love again. And she said
she and Skyla Austin just grew really close during the
making of the first movie, and then he was like,
I have a crush on you, basically, and I wanted
us to be together, and she kept pushing him away, saying,
you're too young, You're too young for me. I think
they had like a five or six year age maybe
not even that much, but not a huge age gap,
(28:26):
but just like he was a bit younger than her.
And she kept saying no initially, and then they were
together and they had this beautiful, fairy tale wedding and
they were like this pitch perfect love story. And so
when they divorced, everyone was like, oh Anna Camp is
just like she's twice divorced, she's unlucky in love. We
want her to find someone. And then also people were
so invested in Rebel Wilson's story, yeah, around her finding
(28:48):
love with Ramona and the two of them getting married.
So I think when these photos came out and Anna
Kamp said I'm the happiest I've ever been, there was
this kind of initial thrill of everyone being so happy
that after everything she and like her co stars, it's
weird how we kind of had this parasocial relationship with them.
Everyone was so happy that had worked out, and then
people started doing the math and realizing there was the
eighteen year age gap, which I'm I'm kind of the
(29:10):
same as you as that in terms of like, it
didn't bother me when I first saw it, but it
definitely would have bothered me if it had been a
man and a woman. But maybe we do, you know what,
I think it's surprise.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I think the difference is let's look at like I think,
particularly with age gap relationships, the biggest things to look
at are what is the power difference? Like is this
a boss employee situation? Is this someone where the older
person has significantly more status in the like let's just
(29:41):
if we're talking about industry. Yeah, h do they have
significantly more status? Is that going to affect it? The
other thing that I think is really important in these
age gap relationships is how young were they when they met.
I think it's a really big difference between you know,
a thirty and a forty eight year old dating to
an eighteen and a thirty six year old dating. Yeah,
(30:01):
how good was my maths? Just then?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So good?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That's shout out to Moniesia for doing that for me.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah we did pause the point. Yeah, Yeah, It's always
that things like the older both people get, the more
I'm like, okay, now you're both fully adults, so you
can kind of make your own decision. It's weird. There's
not really like a time I think when it becomes
icky with an age gap relationship. But my thinking always
be is always that it becomes a little bit ikey
if they could kind of easily be your parent, like
(30:27):
seventeen eighteen kind of then you're getting into like it's
like quite feasible that you could be the parent. You know.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
What's actually interesting in the Serbian Orthodox Church, it's not
like official, officially part of the church, it's not the canon,
but the church like to be sort of under like
fifteen years because they say that, you know, you might
need more counseling or something like, they like to see
smaller age gaps in the Serbian Orthodox Church, which I
thought was really interesting, But fifteen years kind of doesn't
(30:56):
make sense because it's like that's almost a generation.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That's getting into the whole thing of then they could
be your parents. Yes, yes, And I think when Anna
Camp was responding to critics about it, what she was
saying was, I guess kind of what you'd say in
that situation is when she's saying, like, we have so
much in common, this is the most kind of loving
relationship I've been in. We don't feel the age gap,
and like, potentially that's true. That's the thing is, like
(31:20):
it's hard to kind of put all these age gap
relationships in one box when you kind of see this
really old man who's like in the like the top
of Hollywood and has been in movies for thirty years. Yeah,
maybe I'm talking about Leonardo DiCaprio. And you see him, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, man Robert DeNiro.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
And you see him walking next to this like sort
of shy, timid looking woman who's kind of like not
even a proper adult yet, is maybe in her first job,
probably that long ago, wasn't living at home. Like that
looks so weird because it's like, you guys can't say that,
even though Leonardo DiCaprio's girlfriend, Vittoria has said that they
she feels very on the same page with him because
(32:00):
she's in her twenties and he's fifty. It's like they
just look like they shouldn't have anything in common. But
I don't know something about Anna Camp and her girlfriend does.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, I think it's a career. I feel like it's
also she's a creative herself. She's she's a stylist, she's working.
She's twenty four years old as well, she's not eighteen. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I know it's hard, but
also if this is also I think something that's really
really key here. Anna Camp is a baby lesbian, right,
(32:30):
Jade Whipkey could have come out when she was sixteen
and her experience as a queen woman lesbian relationship, she's
going to be the one with more experience, yeah, in
a one hundred percent and being more comfortable in her sexuality.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So there you go. There's a power shift there, as exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I think there's layers. I think one of the reasons
is that when you see a celebrity couple, because the
thing is that we don't know any of these people,
so you immediately just project onto them what you know
is to be true about society. And I think the
reason why a same sex relationship, particularly two women, doesn't
look as threatening as an older man younger woman is
that in our society, older man just are predominantly more
(33:12):
in power, more controlling, yeah, more predatory. That's just a fact,
and so I think you immediately project that onto them
because it's based on facts, like you can't go into
every single couple and sort of look at their own
power dynamic. But also the fame thing does come into
play because I remember when kath Ebbs did their big
breakup kind of explain it on their own podcast, talking
(33:32):
about after the whole Jojo siwar thing blew up after
Celebrity Big Brother, and Kath was getting a lot of
accusations because they were in their late twenties and Jojo
was in their early twenties that they were grooming Jojo.
It was a power and balance and they came out
and said that you have to look at a few
different facts, and one is that like, yes, Kath is like, yes,
(33:52):
I have more life experience because I'm older. But Jojo
has been famous for a very long time. She's I'm
paraphrasing here, but Kath said, like Jojo has been famous
for a very long time. They have a huge amount
of experience in that area. They also have a huge team,
they have a huge amount of money. So it like
kind of some does go through an even and out
when you look at the playing field, there's a few
(34:13):
different factors in there.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, look, I think my key and I really do
think that this is very important. Anna Camp looks happy.
She seems happy, and that's what she said.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Because she's had to be in the weeds, like defending,
Like there's that initial burst of happiness. But since they
made their red Carpet debut, she's gotten a huge amount
of backlash and she's in the comments and she's putting
out statements and she's fighting back against it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I actually think it's very very key. I know I
said this before, but I want to say it again.
Anna Camp is new to being a lesbian. That is
going to shift her power. Yeah, that is going to
make a difference in this relationship. You have someone like Jade,
And I'm making an assumption here, so maybe this isn't
correct Jade who has been more comfortable with her sexuality
(34:59):
like guiding her through No, no, no, I completely its
really like key there.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
No, I completely agree. And I think this is why
every time the age gat conversation comes up, like you
have your reaction, which is very like kind of based
on society, but then there are all these layers that
we have to peel through. And I guess that's also
like it's a kind of like it's a difficult conversations
sometimes because you're talking about these people in their relationship
and we don't know the ins and outs. But I
think it's a bigger societal question as like more of
these age romancewers are in the public eye to kind
(35:28):
of dissect why we have these extreme reactions too.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I just go off my gut, and my gut told
me it wasn't icky.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassanila Kitch.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And coming up on the show today, a very well
known star and a camp from the Pitch Perfect franchise
has made her debut with her new girlfriend, which was
very lovely. But people have some extreme thoughts on their
age gap, so we're going to get into that. Plus,
my favorite long term celebrity feud that we never get
to talk about because they avoid each other like the plague,
has finally resurfaced thanks to a very awkward red carpet video.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I love this feud because it's one that nobody actually
really thinks about. And when we were doing our production meeting,
you were talking about the history of ours. Like, Laura,
your pop culture knowledge is on mad the amount of space.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
This is taken up in my brain for the last
twenty years. But look, Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, they've
got a history and it's not a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's not a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So we're going to get into that, but first I
have just well not exactly an apology, but I just
want to sort of acknowledge something that happened with the
Spillers over the weekend. So, as you would all know,
on Friday mornings, we drop Weekend Watch, which is our
Friday morning podcast where we talk about all the new
TV shows and movies that are coming out this week.
And last week I recommended We Were Liars, which is
(01:44):
a new show, and for your chance to watch it
yet I haven't.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now I'm scared to.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I no, no, don't why. I'm not going to
say any spoilers here, but I recommended that it's a
new drama series I guess you'd call it that's just
come out in prime video. It's based on a novel
of the same name that won a whole bunch of awards,
and when we were talking about it, it's obviously you
don't want to kind of give too much away, so
I was like, it's like a teen romance drama. It's
about this very very rich family called the Sink. They
(02:10):
live on a private island off Martha's vineyard. Like that's
how opulent it is, and there's a mystery behind the scenes.
But I didn't want to say anything else.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But you misled some of our listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I well, yes, because I went too hard on the
teen romance. And if you're online over the weekend you
would have seen because so many people binged it in
one go particular, people in Australia who are watching it
on Prime were putting up reaction videos to it, just sobbing.
Like my TikTok fee was just full of that, people sobbing,
people saying they were taking personal leave all over my
insta because the thing is just like defending myself here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Did you get some dams being like Laura, you've deceaved that?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh I did. I got so many dms from spillers.
Sorry guys, of being like Laura. I thought I was
watching a sex, sexy teen summer romance movie. I thought
I was watching like, like, you know, like a rich
people behaving badly, which it is. But it has this huge,
huge plot twist, which I did know about fo I
recommended it, but guys, I can't tell you. I can't
tell you before it starts. So but it wasn't just
(03:09):
our listeners. Even though I was getting heaps of dms
like so many people were having this. I don't know,
it's just this viral TikTok thing of.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
It's almost like you know how Sirens starts out one
way and then there was like that bit of a
genre flip. Is it kind of a bit like that
you kind of think it's one thing, although the trailer
there is a lot of like you can say something
kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I know something dark has happened, but you don't
know the full extent, and it is it is pretty
shuddering when you watch it. So I just kind of
love when like everyone watches the same show together over
a weekend and we all have this kind of collective
reaction to it.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
This is like a huge NEPO baby series though, Like
I was looking at the casting of it. We've got
Maimie Gummer who plays Carry Sinclair Dennis and she's the
daughter of Meryl Street. Yes as Esther McGregor who plays
mir and Sinclair. She's the daughter of actor Ewan McGregor.
Emmeline Alan Lynde is Cadence Sinclair. She also comes from
(04:04):
an acting family. Her actress is Barbara Allan Woods and
her sisters and Natalie Olivia asot actresses. And then there's
another guy in it who is Joseph Zada, and he's
gonna be playing Hamage Abernathy in the upcoming.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Hand The other thing, that's the other thing that's gone
really viral, And I do feel bad when I was
talking about the show yet the other day about Emily
alan Lynd, because I was talking about her being on
Gossip Girl, which is obviously a huge thing because she
was a big breakout star of the reboot, but I
did not mention that her mother, Barbara Allan Lynn, is
not as well known as you and mcgreg got or
Meryl Streep out of that whole NEPO baby kind of
cohort that's on the show. But she did play Deb
(04:41):
Scott on One Tree Hill. Do you ever watch One
Tree Hill? That is the ultimate teen show for so
many people, and she's on it for most of the show,
and she's like quite a big character. And I didn't
even realize when she was on Gossip Girl that her
mother was such an iconic person. So that's just a
little exciting thing for people who are watching the show.
But yeah, the other thing that's really taken off online,
(05:02):
particularly on TikTok, is the fact that Joseph Zada, who
plays Johnny, is going to play Hamage Abernathy in the
new Hunger Games prequel movie, and he got asked about
that all through the press to it because it had
just been announced. Obviously, the casting for that has been
really intense. I've been doing those reveals every day.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, I'm I'm actually really excited about this because I
always really liked the Hunger Games books. I quite liked
the series. I know there's been some like people who
weren't that keen on them, but I really like the
law behind those earlier games.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, particularly Hamig's games. I don't know if you've ever
gone deep into like the Wikipedia like what happened in
Hamig's games, did you.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Ever go into an extent? Well, I've read them. I like,
I love the Hunger Games books. The movies are quite
The first movie is good, the second, and they kind
of get.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Progressively when they split the last into two novels.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The books are so incredibly written and Hamig is such
a standout character, and Woody Harrelson played him in the movie.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
He actually think it was really great.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That was perfect casting. It's so funny because Joseph's been
doing all of this wee Weellias press, and everyone's so
excited about him playing Hamage. They were like, has wood
he reached out to you? And he was like, no,
because I hear Woody Harrelson doesn't have a phone, which
I so believe.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I so believe that you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Apparently his niece got in contact with Johnny and said like,
my uncle's really excited for you. So he's just kind
of going, yeah, I just one hundred percent believe that
he doesn't that he doesn't have a phone, but he's
very aware of the news. So that's yeah, being a
whole thing of kind of like everyone kind of in
here getting a taste of this person who's going to
(06:37):
be this huge movie star in this movie playing this
really kind of yeah, intense role.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well, I think that, I mean the thing with this,
I know we're kind of we've actually kind of gone
a little bit offscript here. Yeah, but I'm really excited
about Hunger Hunger Gays. He's not going to be an
alcoholic because he hasn't even gone into the game yet.
He becomes an alcoholic and becomes really bad, yeh, do
you win?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, there's so that's what the sunrise on the Reaping
book and there's a line in there where he says
someone offers him a drink and he's like, no thanks,
someone much of a drinker, which, as a fan of
the books, will just like hit you in the heart
because you kind of see that when we first get
introduced him in the Hunger Games books, he's so reliant
on alcohol because of the trauma he's been through.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, oh my gosh. So when it comes out, we'll
do a little we'll do a nice review.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yes, yes, we'll cover that movie when it comes out.
So the cart thing's been huge. But also if everyone
who watched me were lies, don't spoil it for anyone.
I'm sorry, do you mean to mislead you guys, but
just know we were all crying together. Well, this morning
we all woke up to some very important groundbreaking news,
and that is the fact that Tom Cruise and Brad
Pitt had reunited on the red carpet for the f
(07:42):
One Movie, which is brad Pitt's new movie. But it
wasn't that typical two big celebs or like former co
stars getting together. You know, have former co stars, especially
if they've been in some sort of a hit movie
or a hit TV show. They know that when they
reunite a public space like that, it's just going to
be photographed from every angle, and they usually go very
over the top.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well, you think about someone like Brad Pitt and George
Clooney who will always say ever, like there is that
that red carpet moment is you know what's going to
be saying on the.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Carver, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But this particular interaction, and it was really interesting when
we saw. When I saw this interaction, I watched it
without sound and I could feel from the energy that's something.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It was off.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
It's like then I realized that, hey, I've actually never
seen them together, even though they're two of the biggest
A listers in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh yeah, they have not been photographed together for decades,
and that's very intentional, you know their history. But so
like they're standing there on the red carpet and Tom
Cruise is there and he's in movie Star I'm on
a red carpet mode, and then Brad pick comes walking
towards him and it's such a brief moment you have
to watch a hundred times like I did. But Brad
Pitt kind of puts his arms out like he's going
(08:54):
to hug Tom Cruise like he's going in for the
basic red carpet hug, and then Tom Cruise kind of
puts his arm across like to almost like stop him,
but then gives him like a little handshake, and then
he leans into that quick little bro like shoulder bump
that men do when they kind of like okay, it
was you could tell, and and then they quickly separate
from each other.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So so Brad's obviously trying to do the whole like
I'm going to put a front toe, whereas Tom with
his like probably his like scientology stuff, is like I'm
not gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
But he is a big for people. He likes on
a red carpet. He is a big hugger. He's a
big like hey kind.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Of nice he was when he was here for.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I know, I always tell people he's the nicest celebrity
you ever meet. He wants to like.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Really good handshake to me. And then I hosted an
event with them actually just like yeah, the MLC Center
because it was his universal picture and I hosted an
event with him, and he was so kind to me.
He remembered my name. He shook my hand like love.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Although like you're the only person in the room.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Maker we wear flats.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I have not. I've heard that from so many people,
and you can see it on the red carpet because
he's so much I actually think it's fine that Tom
Cruise was a short man, Like, yeah, I think he's
proven that we women. I know, I think I was where.
I don't think I think because I was just on
the red carpet, like his team weren't monitoring. But I
do remember having to look quite far down and I'm tall,
so I look down to everyone. But he is a
(10:14):
short man. Yeah, but that's fine. But I always remember
I always say this to people, like when they sort
of like want to know what Tom Cruise is like,
and I was like, you can have the briefest interaction
with that man and he would just make you feel
like you're the only person in the room, so lovely.
So the fact that he couldn't muster up for Brad
Pitt is really telling that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's kind of what I saw in that. I was like,
this man is a very like he's very good at
making people feel like really seen. And I would say
that has a lot to do with, you know, his
history with highentology, and we know that that kind of
is a big part of it. But the fact that
he couldn't muster up, yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Fos to put it on for the cameras.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, but okay, Laura, you have the law behind this.
Can you please give us a little bit of a
history lesson on the Tom Cruise Brad Pitt feud.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, So, once upon a time, going back to the nineties,
goad like every everyone get crazy, poorglass of wine, light
a candle because in the nineties, Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt,
right the two biggest superstars in the world. Like they're
huge now obviously, but right then it was like them
dominating the box office. And one of the biggest book
franchises in the world was The Interview with the Vampire series.
(11:23):
That's the first book in this series written by Ann Ryce.
So it was a huge deal when that book was
being adapted to be this big blockbuster movie and everyone was,
you know, really kind of like who we're going to
pay If you haven't read the book, it's about these
two vampires. So you have Louis, who Brad Pitt played,
and then Tom Cruise, who played the stat who's one
of the most famous vampires in cinema, and so when
(11:46):
it was announced that they were cast, everyone was like, oh, yeah,
we can see Brad Pitt as Louis de Pointe de Lac.
Don't come at me. I probably said that wrong, but
you know that's I'm not French. Yes, and then Delion
called are their two names, and everyone's like, oh, yeah,
we see Brad Pitt. There was a huge question mark
over Tom Cruise playing that role because he was kind
(12:07):
of seen as not as like a blockbuster action star
that he couldn't really kind of embody this very ancient, dark, brooding,
sexy vampire. Let's think about Tom Cruise, I would say,
a great movie stuff not sexy, no, maybe to an
extent zero zero sex, zero sexyzro, whereas Brad Pitt oozing
(12:27):
sexy even now, I hate to say it.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
In Louise like come on.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And this wasn't that long after, like I mean, that
was his first big movie role, so people still really
had that Filmer and Laurie's moment with him being naked
in their heads so hot about damn like old Black
Bride Pit like early two thousands, Brad Pit, Jen Addiston,
Brad Pitt yeah, look at his sixties now he's still
looking pretty. I kind of do hate that, but he
(12:54):
still is. Brad Pit could be my dad, that's how
old he is. Yeah, exactly, he's in his sixties, which is.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And where like millennials.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, not even that. His girlfriend's younger than us. Just
so you know, so you're still in with a chance.
Don't ever doubt yourself for sale. I remember when Gonne
with Paltrow was an Australia and she was doing that
talk with JACKIEO, and Jackie OO asked her what was
it like to date Brad Pitt at the height of
him being hot Brad Pitt and Greneth Peltro was like,
it was fucking amazing. He's gonna say that it was
so good. I would just like love. Okay, we've gone
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to try, but in a great way. Look, so they
were cant of you with a vambire. This movie is iconic.
If you haven't seen it yet, you need to go.
It's one of the best vampire movies. Kirsten Dance is
like a twelve year old. It's her first big movie
role as well. She plays Claudia and yeah, it is
just a sumptuous, incredible movie. But when they started filming,
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that's when the cracks between Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt
really started to form. One is that there's a really
infamous interview with Brad Pitt that he did with Entertainment
Weekly years after the movie was made, and they said
to him, because it had been such a big talking
point at the time, that during the press and during
like even when he was making the movie, he was photographed,
everyone's like, Brad Pitt looks like he wants to die.
(14:10):
And he confirmed that interview. They said to him, you
looked really miserable in the movie. You looked really miserable
making the movie. What happened? And he said, I am
miserable because he hated filming in the dark because they're vampires.
They filmed all night. He hated filming in the cold,
he hated the makeup. But mostly he said that he
hated playing the He essentially like, I'm playing the bitch
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role to Tom Cruise, and he didn't know. He must
not have read the book, which is so wild, or
maybe I guess the book like the it's always going
to look different on screen. But he says that he
didn't have any scripts to look at before they started shooting,
and the interview is saying to him, but you're brid Pitt, like,
you couldn't have demanded a script, and he's like, the
script wasn't given to me. So we were locked him
(14:52):
We're about to film, and that's when I saw how
my character was going to be portrayed, that I was
essentially being like the bitch character. And this was a
Tom Cruise vehicle and it was all about Tom Cruise
to the point where he was friends with one of
the producers on Into the Vampire, and he called him
and said, what will it take to get me out
of this. I'll do anyth or pay anything, just get
me out of this movie. And this was halfway into filming,
(15:14):
and the producer said, it'll cost you forty million dollars
if you exit this project, and brad Pitt said, okay,
then don't worry about it, and they kept filming. But
they've talked about it a bit over the years, and
they've never actually come out and said there was like
a feud between them. But there's their story and what
some people have said behind the scenes. I just feel
doesn't completely line up with like how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I feel like there's a massive ego thing there.
Like it's like Brad Pitt probably was used to being,
you know, the center of attention, and Tom Cruise demands
the center of attention.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That's interesting thing about these two actors is that I
remember reading this piece of that Andy Fair years ago
and the film reviewer saying that the interesting thing about
Brad Pitt is that he is a character actor stuck
in the body of a really hot man. And I'm like,
I do kind of believe that's true, because he does
like tend to as much as he uses like sex symbol,
he does tend to be a bit of this kind
of character actor. So he's on the set trying to
(16:06):
do that. And then he said Tom Cruise came in
being like overly flamborne, and Brad Pitt would be like,
sometimes I just want to shuffle into the room Tom.
As we were just saying, Tom Cruise has to like
shout into the room, he has to do a handshake
with everyone, very over the top. He was also really
in his head Tom Cruise, because he knew that people
didn't want him to play this character, even the author
(16:27):
Ann Rice at the time, like allegedly she came around
to it later on, but she initially wasn't happy with
his casting. So he's there with something to prove. Brad
Pitt's there thinking that he's he's and he's hating being there,
and so apparently they were clashing over there the different
ways they wanted to work.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It's just it's a personality difference.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, clearly just two dowphers.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, they just don't get along exactly. It's interesting that,
like we're talking with ninety four, this is what that's
thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Basically, Yeah, exactly, and they're still not over it, which
I kind of do get. Like when you have a
colleague who or like a former colleague who you bump
into at work events and you just like frecking hate you,
but you've got to I'm not talking about anyone, by
the way, but I'm just saying that thing. I don't know.
I've had a lot of jobs over the years, but
you know, everyone has those Everyone has those people that
you're like you have to be nice to in public.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah. I mean it's interesting because it was so awkward.
If you like watching it there is you can feel
how uncomfortable it is. Yeah, And I think it's it's
most of the discomfort is coming from Tom, because he's
the one that did that put the initial brakes on it.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I wonder if it's because Tom Cruise is very like,
He's very like, you know, I'm the film I'm the
filmmaker here and movies are so important and he doesn't
often talk ill, not the brad Pit does either, because
they're like these untouchable golden boys. But I feel like
maybe the fact that this has followed them around for
so long, he's not loving with like this persona if
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he wants to be the golden boy of Hollywood. And
I don't think they ever had like a. I mean
there's there's whispers of them like having fights on set,
and that Kirsten Dunce kind of took as a child,
took brad Pitt's side a bit, but but yeah, exactly.
She was like and she says that my that movie
was super difficult because she was a child. She had
(18:13):
to kiss brad Pitt on screen, which she said was gross,
and I agree with her.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That would be so gross. It's like a twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah exactly. And I think she was just like with
these two alpha men who were kind of going back
and forth, although Tom Cruise does send her a cake
every year. Still, I wonder if brad Pitt's on the
Infamous cake.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
List, He's probably not the coconut cake.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh that's if you're Tom Cruise and you don't put
someone on your coconut cake list, that is the ultimate burn,
Like you might as well have slapped him across the face.
There's a few. Okay, this is getting a bit gossipy,
but I have read like a kind of a few
like behind the scenes kind of like four of me things.
And because I'm so like invested in this movie because
I love the book, I love the movie. I love
the new TV series that they've done about it. It's
(18:50):
so good. But apparently, yeah, they would get very like
because they're in their scenes together. It's very intense because
Tom Cruise's character is this one hundred year one hundred
year old vampire who finds Brad Pitt's character and turns
him into a vampire, and then they're forever linked and
they like walk through the world to get trying to kill,
(19:10):
kill and have like yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And then they killed that's why they kill, kissed and dance.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That is really something.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That seems so sad.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Antonio Banderi killed her.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, yeah, with the woman.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah yeah, the one who she wanted to turn into
her mother's movie or all. But it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
But I'm just remembering, as I haven't seen it in age,
remembering all these different scenes.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot happening there.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And hair when her hair, when she becomes a vampire, her.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hair, her hair grows back. Yeah, it's really cool. So yeah,
so it's such a good movie. But apparently in some
of the scenes, because Tom Cruise was trying to give
the performance of his career and prove he was a
proper actor not just an action star, he got too
over the top. And I've seen these allegations that he
flicked physically Brad Pitt, and Brad Pitt like got so angry,
was like what the fuck are you doing? Like you
can't do that and that, and that was kind of
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a catalyst. I've seen that proven nowhere, So I'm probably
just passing the gossip along. But I do feel like
from what I've seen that even if that specifically didn't happen,
although I love to think it did, that it was
filming those scenes, just the two of them that kind
of heightened this feud, and apparently this is the most
matro like not matro but like Hollywood kind of boy.
(20:19):
Thing I've heard is that they're both super competitive, so
at nighttime they would go cart race.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, this is a surprise with Tom Cruise is
very competitive and like I'm massive, Like he this is
why he does all his own stunts because he's got that.
He likes to be that that machismo of his is
like such a big part of his Yeah, like I
think it's a bit of a short man thing, like, yeah,
he's got.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And like so they channel I guess it's good, and
the production him were really really happy. They're like, if
these these two Hollywood guys come to blows on set,
that's going to be so expensive to shut down production
of one of them leaves. So I think that they
were kind of pushed to channel all of their feuding
into gor go cart racing behind the scenes to kind
of I wonder if that's what's kind of spurred Tom
Cruise into doing his stunts. He's like, I'm going to
(21:03):
show you, Brad Pitt, No, I'm going to be.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's always been Tom, but we haven't really seen Tom
in other movies that are like he is an act stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well, that's exact. Brad Pitt over the years has leaned
more into being a dramatic actor, and he chased that
Oscar so hard.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Working with Quentin Tarantino, working in those kind of more
character based movies, like that's kind of been Brad's career.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, whereas he's chasing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
This impossible fifty four Like, yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
He's chasing that big audience reaction. I also saw that
There's the last thing to kind of bring it back
to them being at the f one event is that
apparently Tom Cruise is also extra angry at Brad because
not only has he been his nemesis for over thirty years,
and they haven't been pictured together in twenty years. And
that's the thing too, is like it's interesting that they
never did another movie together because their names together again
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would have brought in so much money. And Brad Pitt
notoriously loves to like work with his inner circle of
Hollywood stars over and over and over again. And he's
like the big kind of like he's like the leader
of the Hollywood pack. He's like the pack wolf. And
then Tom Cruise is like kind of the Lone Wolf.
But also I'm just really assigning their narratives.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I quite like this.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But also Tom Cruise like to surround himself with the
really young generation of Hollywood because he's like, I'm a mentor.
But he wouldn't go hang out with Brad Pitt. But
apparently he's upset about Brad Pitt making an F one
movie because he wanted to. He wanted to do a
sequel today as of Thunder after Top Gun, Maverick did
so well, and we can't have two car movies apparently
with two Hollywood stars.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
At the same time. So I feel like Tom needs
to just like it's enough being the lead in action movie.
No let him go.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He wants to. I just he wants to. Everyone says
he wants to die during a stunt, and I do
believe that's true. When he was last year for Mission
Impossible and he bought this because it was Simon Pegg's birthday,
he bought this birthday k out on stage and it
didn't have just normal candles. He had to like light
fireworks and he'd been Tom Cruise are like literally an
outside the theater setting, like helping the people set off
the fireworks. Or like supervising, because he was like, this
(23:02):
is my night. And I was like, Tom Cruise, if
you want to die in a firework explosion, that's fine,
but don't take me down with you just because you
want to go on a blaze of glory, because no
one's gonna care about my death if I die in
the room with Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I did this thing with him for The Mummy.
You know that. Yeah, it wasn't a great movie.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
But he was guns are bleazing on that press too.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was yeah because he did this, like they did
this big anti gravity thing. He was talking about it anyway,
but yeah, he like he loves that stuff and that's
like where he gets his joy from. I mean, live
your joy.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So we'll post that video to our Instagram account if
you want to go and dissect it in the way
that we have, but kind of say, let the boys fight,
let them have, let them be enemies. I love it
so much for the history lesson I I can't believe
that it teachers in schools.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So Anna Camp has made her Red Cover debut with
her girlfriend Jade Whipkey, and they made their Red Cup
debut together at the Bride Heard premiere. The reason people
are talking about this is because there is an eighteen
year age gap. Anna kind of only recently came out.
She just came out this Pride Month as a lesbian
with and this is her first relationship that she just
(24:07):
made public, So good for her. She said that the
feedback has been really really great for most people, and
people have been very very supportive of her. But she
addressed this backlash people like, you know, this is a
bit icky, like I'm so happy that you're queer, but
eighteen years is just way too far apart. And she
addressed the backlash saying, you know, she's way more mature
(24:29):
than any man she's dated her own age, that they
have a really strong about ability and a deep connection.
So we've got more in common than anyone else I've
ever dated, and can literally talk about anything and everything.
I kind of wanted to kind of go into this
one because there was something about this age gap that
didn't bother me initially, and I thought that that was
(24:51):
really interesting because often when we see a large age
gap relationship, which we have seen with a lot of celebrities,
and it usually goes in the way of older man
and younger women. Yeah, exactly, And The big issue that
a lot of people have with it is that there
is an innate power imbalance between an older male star
(25:15):
and a younger female star. The reason this doesn't feel
weird to me, I think a big part of it
is because it is a queer relationship. And I was
trying to think about why it didn't make me as
uncomfortable as what like a Leo and his most recent
(25:36):
twenty five year old And I think the reason is
that in a queer relationship, you're already looking at a
power shift. Right, So a queer couple is already going
to face backlash more so than a straight couple. Right.
She's just come out, so her vulnerability as a queer
(25:57):
woman is still like she's still going to be in
that beginning stage of her coming out process. Like she's
she's forty two, but this is the first time she
sort of addressed this publicly. She's got this sense of
vulnerability there. And her girlfriend, who is you know, she's
a stylist and a created professional in LA. She's worked
(26:20):
with celebrities like Kiki Palmer and Destiny Rodgers. She's you know,
established within the industry. She's got her own job and
career that imbalance doesn't seem as obvious in this couple. Yeah,
you know what I mean. That makes sense to you.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
No, I had the same thing when I was looking.
It was sort of delving into their relationship and the
first time I realized there was an age gap because
I didn't know her new girlfriend enough to know what
her age was, and so I didn't know until the
information started coming out. It's interesting how did the tone
around Anna Camp and her girlfriend switch so quickly, because
when it first came out, like there were some pat photos,
(26:59):
but also that they posted a photo to Instagram's confirming
they were together, and initially like they're like at a
court at a. Camp's core fan base I think was
really thrilled because she has to huge following, in particular
from the Pitch Perfect movies and the Pitch Perfect Girls.
Like there's something about like their people being very invested
(27:19):
in their love lives because that was such a huge
movie franchise, but behind the scenes, they were all having
kind of a shit time in their romantic relationships. Like
it came out that like Anna Kendrick had been in
an emotionally abusive relationship for many years, never named the person,
but it's kind of thought that it was when these
movies were happening, and that's why she made that Alice
Starling movie that's about emotional abuse. And then Brittany Snow
(27:43):
got married to a reality TV star and that was
such a huge thing to she shared this fairy tale,
only then to watch the reality show play out and
realize he was kind of cheating on her with a
co star, and then they divorced. And then Anna Camp
actually fell in love with Skyler Austin, who's the lead
in Pitch Perfect. That he's a love interest for Anna
Kendrick's character, and that was a huge thing because she
had been divorced previously to working on Pitch Perfect and
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she didn't think she'd find love again. And she said
she and Skyla Austin just grew really close during the
making of the first movie, and then he was like,
I have a crush on you, basically, and I wanted
us to be together, and she kept pushing him away, saying,
you're too young, You're too young for me. I think
they had like a five or six year age maybe
not even that much, but not a huge age gap,
(28:26):
but just like he was a bit younger than her.
And she kept saying no initially, and then they were
together and they had this beautiful, fairy tale wedding and
they were like this pitch perfect love story. And so
when they divorced, everyone was like, oh Anna Camp is
just like she's twice divorced, she's unlucky in love. We
want her to find someone. And then also people were
so invested in Rebel Wilson's story, yeah, around her finding
(28:48):
love with Ramona and the two of them getting married.
So I think when these photos came out and Anna
Kamp said I'm the happiest I've ever been, there was
this kind of initial thrill of everyone being so happy
that after everything she and like her co stars, it's
weird how we kind of had this parasocial relationship with them.
Everyone was so happy that had worked out, and then
people started doing the math and realizing there was the
eighteen year age gap, which I'm I'm kind of the
(29:10):
same as you as that in terms of like, it
didn't bother me when I first saw it, but it
definitely would have bothered me if it had been a
man and a woman. But maybe we do, you know what,
I think it's surprise.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I think the difference is let's look at like I think,
particularly with age gap relationships, the biggest things to look
at are what is the power difference? Like is this
a boss employee situation? Is this someone where the older
person has significantly more status in the like let's just
(29:41):
if we're talking about industry. Yeah, h do they have
significantly more status? Is that going to affect it? The
other thing that I think is really important in these
age gap relationships is how young were they when they met.
I think it's a really big difference between you know,
a thirty and a forty eight year old dating to
an eighteen and a thirty six year old dating. Yeah,
(30:01):
how good was my maths? Just then?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So good?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That's shout out to Moniesia for doing that for me.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah we did pause the point. Yeah, Yeah, It's always
that things like the older both people get, the more
I'm like, okay, now you're both fully adults, so you
can kind of make your own decision. It's weird. There's
not really like a time I think when it becomes
icky with an age gap relationship. But my thinking always
be is always that it becomes a little bit ikey
if they could kind of easily be your parent, like
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seventeen eighteen kind of then you're getting into like it's
like quite feasible that you could be the parent. You know.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
What's actually interesting in the Serbian Orthodox Church, it's not
like official, officially part of the church, it's not the canon,
but the church like to be sort of under like
fifteen years because they say that, you know, you might
need more counseling or something like, they like to see
smaller age gaps in the Serbian Orthodox Church, which I
thought was really interesting, But fifteen years kind of doesn't
(30:56):
make sense because it's like that's almost a generation.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That's getting into the whole thing of then they could
be your parents. Yes, yes, And I think when Anna
Camp was responding to critics about it, what she was
saying was, I guess kind of what you'd say in
that situation is when she's saying, like, we have so
much in common, this is the most kind of loving
relationship I've been in. We don't feel the age gap,
and like, potentially that's true. That's the thing is, like
(31:20):
it's hard to kind of put all these age gap
relationships in one box when you kind of see this
really old man who's like in the like the top
of Hollywood and has been in movies for thirty years. Yeah,
maybe I'm talking about Leonardo DiCaprio. And you see him, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, man Robert DeNiro.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
And you see him walking next to this like sort
of shy, timid looking woman who's kind of like not
even a proper adult yet, is maybe in her first job,
probably that long ago, wasn't living at home. Like that
looks so weird because it's like, you guys can't say that,
even though Leonardo DiCaprio's girlfriend, Vittoria has said that they
she feels very on the same page with him because
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she's in her twenties and he's fifty. It's like they
just look like they shouldn't have anything in common. But
I don't know something about Anna Camp and her girlfriend does.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, I think it's a career. I feel like it's
also she's a creative herself. She's she's a stylist, she's working.
She's twenty four years old as well, she's not eighteen. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I know it's hard, but
also if this is also I think something that's really
really key here. Anna Camp is a baby lesbian, right,
(32:30):
Jade Whipkey could have come out when she was sixteen
and her experience as a queen woman lesbian relationship, she's
going to be the one with more experience, yeah, in
a one hundred percent and being more comfortable in her sexuality.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So there you go. There's a power shift there, as exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I think there's layers. I think one of the reasons
is that when you see a celebrity couple, because the
thing is that we don't know any of these people,
so you immediately just project onto them what you know
is to be true about society. And I think the
reason why a same sex relationship, particularly two women, doesn't
look as threatening as an older man younger woman is
that in our society, older man just are predominantly more
(33:12):
in power, more controlling, yeah, more predatory. That's just a fact,
and so I think you immediately project that onto them
because it's based on facts, like you can't go into
every single couple and sort of look at their own
power dynamic. But also the fame thing does come into
play because I remember when kath Ebbs did their big
breakup kind of explain it on their own podcast, talking
(33:32):
about after the whole Jojo siwar thing blew up after
Celebrity Big Brother, and Kath was getting a lot of
accusations because they were in their late twenties and Jojo
was in their early twenties that they were grooming Jojo.
It was a power and balance and they came out
and said that you have to look at a few
different facts, and one is that like, yes, Kath is like, yes,
(33:52):
I have more life experience because I'm older. But Jojo
has been famous for a very long time. She's I'm
paraphrasing here, but Kath said, like Jojo has been famous
for a very long time. They have a huge amount
of experience in that area. They also have a huge team,
they have a huge amount of money. So it like
kind of some does go through an even and out
when you look at the playing field, there's a few
(34:13):
different factors in there.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, look, I think my key and I really do
think that this is very important. Anna Camp looks happy.
She seems happy, and that's what she said.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Because she's had to be in the weeds, like defending,
Like there's that initial burst of happiness. But since they
made their red Carpet debut, she's gotten a huge amount
of backlash and she's in the comments and she's putting
out statements and she's fighting back against it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I actually think it's very very key. I know I
said this before, but I want to say it again.
Anna Camp is new to being a lesbian. That is
going to shift her power. Yeah, that is going to
make a difference in this relationship. You have someone like Jade,
And I'm making an assumption here, so maybe this isn't
correct Jade who has been more comfortable with her sexuality
(34:59):
like guiding her through No, no, no, I completely its
really like key there.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
No, I completely agree. And I think this is why
every time the age gat conversation comes up, like you
have your reaction, which is very like kind of based
on society, but then there are all these layers that
we have to peel through. And I guess that's also
like it's a kind of like it's a difficult conversations
sometimes because you're talking about these people in their relationship
and we don't know the ins and outs. But I
think it's a bigger societal question as like more of
these age romancewers are in the public eye to kind
(35:28):
of dissect why we have these extreme reactions too.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I just go off my gut, and my gut told
me it wasn't icky.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, okayse close. Well, thank you so much for listening
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