May 20, 2025 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Kelly McCarron.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, the history lesson
you never knew you needed, but we need to.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's the history of Gwyneth Paltrow's It smells like my
vagina candle because she has got up on stage at
an event and depending which headline you read, she's let loose.
She gave a foul mouth response. But there's something just
so interesting in the backstory. So we're going to get
into this.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You could have just said the history of Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina. Yeah,
keep the people like you can.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, we'll get to both those things, I'm sure, because
they're forever intertwined.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Can't have one without the other.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Also, the death of the movie star a nice little
light chat for a Tuesday, brought to us by a
very unexpected sol So we're going to get into that.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But first, one of our favorite NEPO babies who's quite
open about being in their po baby, which we really
love and appreciate, has spoken out about being cut off
by her famous parents and cut off is in air quotes.
Dakota Johnson, who we know from Fifty Shades and How
to Be Single, is the daughter of Hollywood legends Melanie
Griffith and Don Johnson. She's recently spoken to Luk about
(01:35):
what happened when she chose not to go to college,
because well, I'm sure everyone, but in America you go
to college. Yeah, you know. In Australia, it's kind of like, eh,
you do or you don't, Like, it's not weird if
someone doesn't go. But in America you go to college.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, for a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I mean I think it's maybe slightly changing now or
maybe more people just can't afford to go. But then
it was just you do that to get like even
a base level john Yeah, definitely. The children of the
wealthy definitely went to some sort of college, whether they
did their work or not, they just went there to
have the document.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So she had tried out for Juilliard, which is a
performance school, and called it so awful and terrifying, like
it's a two date chorus line thing. Then after that
she said, when I didn't get in, my dad cut
me off because I didn't go to college. And this
made her get straight into auditioning. She did the Social
Network soon after. I actually forgot she was in that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, that was one of her first big breakout roles.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But Laura, did you really get cut off or is
this just you know, someone trying to be I love
it when celebrities try to be relatable by being very unrelatable. Yeah,
it is slightly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Off brand from her because her whole brand is being
not relatable, which she's like leaning into the NEPO baby exactly,
which as an EPO baby has really helped her coast.
And she has this like very specific Hollywood pedigree that
NEPO babies, like first generation don't really have.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Like she's like third generation.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So her grandmother is tip Heedron, very famous, old school,
old world kind of Hollywood actress. Her mother is Melanie Griffith.
Her father is Don Johnson, but also her stepfather for
over twenty years was Antonio Banderrez. And now she's dating
Chris Martin and like Sister Wives with Gwameth Paltrow, everyone's.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Dating Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No, oh, okay, that's okay, we won't because that's a
surprising information for anyone else. She's in a movie with
Pedro Pascal and they're doing the Pedro's Pascal never talks
about dating anyone. We have no information about him, and
we like it that way because that just allows everyone
keeps the drum with him. But no, she's been with
Chris Martin for many, many years and she considers his ex. Yeah,
and she and Gwyneth are like really good friends, Like
(03:29):
they talk about loving each other.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They go to events together. You're looking at.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Me right now together Martians sometimes things just they've just
been so public about it. But yes, anyway, So she
comes from a very kind of very celebrity heavy world,
and like when she tells stories of her childhood, it's
like this time I went to the Oscars because you know,
she's been going to Oscar since she was six, or
like being in her grandmother's which is very yeah, and
like having all these celebrities come over and all this
sort of stuff. So and like going to Antonio Bandero's
(03:55):
who she calls Papa, like going to his you know,
big movie sets and stuff at the height of his career,
so like very in that world, and she's told the
story a few times. It kind of gets pedaled out
every time she does oppress too, But this is the
first time I think it's blown up in a way
where people are like, I can't believe she was cut
off and she's really fought the good fight. And I
was like, what do.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You think that cut off means? Because if someone says
that my parents cut me off, like I definitely am
not living there in them inactions, in which of their mansions.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, again, it's one of those things where and I think,
also not to defend Don Johnson, but I think when
she's told this story previously, she did kind.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Of allude to the fact.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He's like, just because she didn't get into Juilliard, which
is the most prestigious performance school in the world, that
they wanted her to go to some sort of college
and she said no, and they're like, well, you either
get a job or you go to college, or we
won't fund your life.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Which I think that that's actually really good parenting. You
can't just like spoon feed your kid money if they're
not willing to do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But I think then she talks about like CouchSurfing, but
she's CouchSurfing between like her celebrity house. Yeah, Like her
best growing up is like Riley Keok, Elvis's granddaughter, her
other best friend of Zoe Kravitz.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Like they're in this little girl gang to couch surfing.
Is actually they the poolhouse?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, Elvis is an unused to state, like the girl
is doing it tough.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
She's out there doing.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It well, you can borrow my maid for a few hours,
so as much.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And like there's such a difference not being able to
pay rent when you know that you have so many
fall back options to not being able to pay rent
and there's no.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Options claving in your car. Yeah exactly so.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But again, I just think when she's on these press tours,
she just throws at anything again because she's grown up
so famous, love this intense safety net that I just
wish she'd go from all the quirky side. Like the
only time Dakota Johnson's ever annoyed me is when she
was asked about being an EPO baby, and I thought
she was going to go down that route where she
just said like a silly answering and how she just
like she goes off on a tangent and interviews, and
(05:43):
she's like weirdly whimsical. Like also in this interview she's
talking about like being an only fans so she can
like just wiggle her toe because Pedro Pascal told her to,
like she lives in a fantasy world.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
She's also like she's quite funny and she's quite honest
with things. Remember that ad tour that she did the
architecture and then she comes out and she goes it
was definitely starved because I'm allergic to limes. Yeah, and
then like the her picking up the lie going come.
I know, she's like she's funny.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
She's got very good like deadpan comedy timing like Amma, yeah,
yeah exactly that kind of just dead behind the eyes,
but will say something really funny. So the only time
she has annoyed me is when previously she's talked about
being a NEPO baby, and when she was asked about it,
she was like, Oh, it's so boring. It's just a
boring conversation. And I think that was kind of a
lazy answer for her, because I wanted her to like
(06:30):
just go off and tell some magical stories about growing
up in this crazy world and I don't think anyone
would regard her, that they would love her more, but
saying it's boring when you're having this conversation about like
who gets to make art and who gets to be
in movies and who gets steal this stuff? Because she
is a good actress, I think she's actually a better
interview almost than she is an actress, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
She's a better personality than she is an actress.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
She's beautiful and she's not bad at acting like she
was always gonna get. Of course, the parents and the
grandparents helped, and she might not have gotten it regardless. Yeah,
she wouldn't continue to get roles if she was awful.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
She's one of those NEPO babies. For me, she's on
the fence. There's some NEPO babies that come through like
a like a Kate Hudh where she comes into the
room and you're just like, I believe that you probably
would have got how to lose a guy in ten
days without your mum, Gwenne And there is yeah, exactly.
I do think that there's like someone like Dakota Johnson
who comes in. It's like I feel like, out of
(07:25):
all the pretty brunette women in the room.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You didn't have to be the one.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That they pulled out of the line and put on stage,
but you did, and then you were able to build
on it, yeah, from there, because again, not every NEPO
baby who gets thrown into the ring with everything, like
think about rumor Willis like, her parents are Bruce Willis
and Demi Moore, and she tried for years to be
an actress. Her parents put her in movies, production companies
put her in movies. People did favors for her, and for.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Some reason, she just couldn't, for some reason, get over
that line. Objectively, objectively, she doesn't conform to traditional giddy standards.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, and people were horrendous about what she looks like
and stuff, which.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Objectively subjectively I mean, but you know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, exactly, for some reason, someone like to it that
she's not it. Whereas Dakota, especially like in her first
couple of movie you can see she's finding her feet,
but people don't usually get a chance to find.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like Lily Rose's Depp.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Lily Roy's dep is terrible in her first couple of movies,
and then she was good in The Idol and then
she's really really good in us Feratu. But that comes
with having like super famous parents who will like lift
her for along until she gets to the stage where
someone else would have been when they started. It's kind
of interesting because like, I don't mind NEPO babies being
in the mix, but I want them to like entertain
(08:38):
us with these yeah, not complain about it, Not say
it made life harder for them because.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because it definitely didn't. And to own it and just say, yeah,
my parents gave me a leg up. Yeah who cares.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, and then tell us some crazy Hollywood stories like.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Tom Cruise passed out in my house.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, that's not so funny, because Kate Husan does tell
a story like that where she's like, yeah, it's a
nap for baby. Once I was storing a party in
my parents' house and Tom Cruise climbed the fence. Like
that's what I want to hear from exactly. That's why
we love Kate. And that's like with Jakota Johnson, like
I just want to know what she and Riley Kiir
and Zoe Kravitz did when they were like twelve years old.
She said they hung out in car parks and like,
did you know, I mean they're like drinking and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
But I was like, that's funny. You tell the story.
It doesn't don't people recognize you guys, Like and then
does Lenny Kravitz come and rock up to pick you.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
All and be like, have you guys been drinking?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, like tell us those stories.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But yeah, she look, look, we'll give her a pass
on this one. She's still one of our favorite NEPO babies.
So once again we are talking about Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina,
which I never thought would be such a big part
of my career back when I was at university studying journalism.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you thought, in art, I'm going to get paid
to talk about a candle that smells like a celebrities vagina.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yes, and look, this candle came out many, many years ago,
so we thought, you know, the story had settled, kind
of buy the candle anymore on group it's been discontinued.
Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't talk about anymore. We thought the candle
was in the past, but it read its head again
in the last couple of days because Gwyneth Paltrow made
an appearance at the Mine Valley Manifesting Summit in La
and was asked about the candle and she did what
(10:10):
a paltro thing where she kind of like takes her
breath and then she thinks about it and then ah,
yeah she does, and then she does.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
A little laugh to the side, very specific or yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You got energy.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Oh you're even wearing like a beige knit you very
goop energy coming off you. With my hairs too natural,
she have that simply have licked right down.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yes, you need to have some bone broth and just
fix that up.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So she was on stage and she said the product
was so fascinating because they were just messing around with
different sense one day. This is her telling the story
of how the candle, the infamous vagina candle came to
be and she said that smells like, oh you know,
and then everyone laughed in the audience because she was
clearly making a joke. And then she said that it
was actually a conversation between her and her perfumer, Douglas little.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh my god, that poor perfumer. Imagine giving someone a
scent and they go that smells like a vagina.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
No, Douglas ran with it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
He's actually the perpetrator in the story, he's the evil mastermind,
if you will, because Gwyneth is now and look, this
is a slightly different story to the one she's told
over the years, like she's kind of was trying to
distance herself in a.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Way, but she's also adding mayo. Yeah, yeah, she's just
just a little bit of extra.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So she then said that she was joking when she
said that the candle smelled like her vagina, because when
she smelled it, she said it smelled like geranium, citrus, cedar.
And I can't even say half these words damask rose
and amborette seed, and my poor North Queensland nose doesn't
know any of those scents except for citrus. I do
(11:38):
because that was a big body like spray scent when
I was a teenager.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You know those ones.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Well, yes, I've got quite a good nose, and I
know perfume. And has anyone come out and said, what
the candle actually smells like? Like, it smells like citrus, okay, Australia,
But it's not a vaginal odor.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, no, no, it was never meant to be.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I think the idea of what she's saying here is
that they were smelling different candles for her group line.
She smelled this one. It smelled beautiful, and she said,
that smells like my vagina.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And then she says, Douglas took that very literal and said,
what if we sold a candle that says this smells
like my vagina like you just said. And she says
that she just laughed and thinking it was a joke,
said yeah, let's do that. Who wouldn't want to buy that?
And then she's kind of inferring here that Douglas went
a little bit rogue. And then the next thing she knew,
she clicked onto the Goop website and this candle smells vagina.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's absolutely what happened. Things go live on her website
without any several steps of approval. So it's almost like
you know that outcast song, no you'll like to think,
or shit don't stink. So she's like, my vagina and
vaginas aren't smelly unless there's, you know, an infection or something,
(12:52):
but they do have an odor, a particular just it
smells like a vagina. So it's almost like she was
inferring like her, shit don't stink, that my vagina smells
like this citrusy gorgeousness. Well only unless you're using citrus
soap on it, which is very bad for the pH Yeah. Yeah,
well I've never thought of it. Literally, I actually thought
she I just like, why did I just take it
(13:13):
so far?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
But well, the thing is, this is the interesting part
of the history of the vaginan candle. It just depends
which way you're looking at it. It's either a very
feminist statement or a very unfeminist statement, because you can
either look at it like, if that's true, then she's
using medical products you should use. Or the way I've
kind of thought of it over the years is that
she was pushing back against this idea that women can't
(13:35):
have a natural scent and that you've got to smell
like this particular way. And so she smelled this beautiful
candle and she's like, I'm just gonna own it and
say that's what I smell like. So she said pretty
much like not the next day, but pretty soon after
this conversation, it was on the website, and she's like,
and then we broke the internet again, and it took
me a long time to live that one down. Then
she went to say, but I kept it on the
(13:55):
site because there's an aspect to women's sexuality that I
think we've over socialized to feel a lot of shame,
And I sort of love this kind of punk rock idea.
We are beautiful and we are awesome, so go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I think if she really wanted to lean into that,
she should have actually released a Vagina candle that didn't
smell like citrus.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I mean yeah, it's like she'll kind of teeter on
the edge of like feminism but then kind.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Of like a like a citrus element. But it should
be if you really want to lean in and own
the scent and own the power release a candle. Then Guinney, Well, she.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Did go on to release a few more so then
the my Vagina candles went obviously crazy at the time, and.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Vagina after a lot of pineapple candle, my Vagina after
too much asparagus candle. Now we're getting really deep in there.
So they were seventy five dollars at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Now, because they've been discontinued, they are a very rare
collector's item now, so mostly research for four hundred.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You know, I've tried to buy this for another co host.
I'm not buying yet.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
What it's four hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I'll put that on the company card. So after the
Vagina Candle, we had this one smells like my orgasm. Yeah,
I didn't really take off, and then this one smells
like my prenup, which is a slightly different, yeah situation.
I think again there was some sort of there was
magic in a bottle with the vagina candle.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I didn't replicate it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, And it just sounds like you're trying too hard.
It's kind of like making a sequel to a movie,
but it's not good.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah. Everyone just gets in a room. It's like, Oh,
we need to make more money off this walk can
we do? So those ones didn't go as well. She
did release in twenty twenty two the Hands Off My
Vagina Candle, which for a while, I think a lot
of peoples like hands off my vagina, as in like
don't touch me, oh kind of handle And I think
a lot of people at the time, and maybe I
did for some time as well, think that that was
kind of like getting a bit into the me too movement,
(15:40):
especially because she had like given evidence against Harvey Weinstein
and all of that, and it was like a kind
of a symbol, but it was actually when Roe v.
Wade was overturned in the US, so like the abortion law,
and then twenty five dollars from the sale of each
candle went to a Reproductive Freedom Project charity. So I
think that was a nice way to kind of like
bring it full circle. It was jarring for people when
(16:01):
like that huge conversation was happening over abortion laws and
women's rights for their body and everything. For Gwyneth Paltrow
to come out and be like, and here's my contribution
this candle, which is over seventy five dollars, but twenty
dollars will we will you know, which is actually quite good,
Like that's a big chunk of fifth profit. It's exactly,
It's something she could have done nothing. The other interesting
(16:22):
thing of the history of these candles is that allegedly
they have tried to kill people over the years. She's
been sued many times for these candles.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Do you know this?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No? What?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Because the candle exploded? Yeah, okay, yeah, that does happen
sometimes it happens.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, like fifty candles a night on my apartment. I've
never had one explode.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Oh, I've had several explode. It's quite scary when it
does happen. It's not common, but.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, it has happened a few times with Gwenna.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That makes sense. But like if you think about how
many hundreds of thousands of people bought the candle, will
yeah then yes it yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
All right, well that's a new fear.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Unlocked.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I thought these people were making it up that are candle.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Leave them unattended in a room because if it explodes
and something's close by, it catches on fire.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay, so yeah, I can't literal.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I'm really just unlocked a few well, as anyone who
follows me on Instagram knows, I can't watch a movie
unless I have a minimum five to six candles lit
and I sit like in the middle of them, and
so if one was to explode, I would be gone.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But at least I'd go happy.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You would because it's with your drink CARDI yeah, beverage happy.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Flower lighting my ten cut next to my alcohol cut.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That's something. And the flowers flammable flowers.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, I'm going to wreathing that hole set up anyway.
A Texas resident called Colby Watson sued Gwyneth Paltrow for
five million dollars where he claimed, And why were you
burning the candle Colby, That's what I want to know.
He claimed the candles on his bedside table and exploded.
He said he burned it for three hours. It exploded immediately.
Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina candle engulfed his whole room in a
(17:54):
five flame. Yeah, pretty much, and all that was left
was a black burnt ring.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, sir, you weren't using your candles, but you were
not observing it because that's not on her exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So he burned his bedroom to the ground.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Gwyneth Paltrow group called his lawsuit frivolous and an attempt
to secure an outsized payment from a press heavy product,
which is fair.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And then a woman called Judy Thompson, who.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I believe in the UK.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Judy I felt a bit worse for because Judy won
the candle in a work quiz. So there was a
quiz at work.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
She won.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
She answered the most like factually correct answers and she
got given this vagina candle.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
She had no idea what it was.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Judy took it home, lit the candle and said, in
a few minutes. This is Judy's testimony in court against
Gwyneth Paltrow's Vagina candle. She said, a few minutes after
I lit the candle, it exploded. Flames roared half a
meter out of the jar, and bits of molten wax
flew as it frizzled and spat. We couldn't get near
to blow it out as the flames were so ferocious,
and we didn't want to throw water on it for
(18:51):
fear of splashing molten wax everywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Burned down. Judy's like, oh my god, the vagina candles
on fire.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
She said, Luckily I had.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Placed it on concrete at the base of what was
once a fireplace, and then she said her home was
like her living room was gone. Judy also didn't get
any lost for Gwyneth Peltrow.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Who said it was the right thing with their candle.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, what we know from Gwyneth Paltrow was like, you
don't want to go up against her in a court room,
remember the whole scheme. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like she will
cut you down. So I don't think any either of
these lawsuits really went anywhere. But again, like we had
this candle coming out as this feminist manifesto, we had
it just become this huge pop culture moment, selling out
all over the world. Then it allegedly tried to kill
(19:33):
two people, and now Gwenna's on stage defending its existence.
So we've kind of come full circle with the candle
and it's just been a lovely thing to have in
our lives the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
There's light and shade in the news cycle. You need
the light and that is in the form of a candle.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well, something I never thought i'd say is that today
I listened to a very long podcast interview with Sean
penn oscar winner, long term mega movie star Sean penn
on the Louis Throw podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Is an abomatic Why would you think you never would
agree with anything?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, he's pretty problematic.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Well, yeah, he's a very he has this very old
school way of thinking and it Boo has. Yeah, and
also over the years, like he has said some kind
of not great stuff about different things. You know, he's
just not someone I would normally align myself with. But
except for the part in the podcast where he's kind
of defending Woody Allen then saying he work with him again.
(20:28):
But he was also saying that he's like, I just
don't know all the facts and then he was also
talking about like smoking alcohol not really causing cancer. If
you like, do something you love, maybe you can let
it kill you, but it probably won't.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I wouldn't take medical advice from the man, but I
think that should go, you know, as says. But then
also they're like, do you like drinking? And he's like, yeah,
I mean if you count drinking Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
I love drinking. And I was like, oh, why we're
the same person. But anyway, the main things much comment, Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
My god, do I want to hang out with Sean Penn?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So Luis throw went up to his like fancy la
home and they hung out for a few hours. And
what I thought was interesting is that they were talking
about kind of the state of Hollywood at the moment,
and because Sean Penn was saying that he has to
really love a project to work on it at the moment,
even though he's still like a very in demand actor
and he only wants to do projects that basically he's
written I'm not paraphrasing now, because he will love what
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he writes, but he doesn't love what other actors write.
And he found that, like after winning his last Oscar
for Milk, he was very disillusioned with the industry, which
led to a conversation about who in the industry is
doing really well? And I expected him when they when
Luis Throw started asking him about a lot of the
big shows and movies that he would do that very
old school actor thing and be like, oh, streaming as
(21:40):
rubbish and you know all those shows of rubbish and
like young actors coming up today, because that is usually
the tact that a lot of actors of that generation take.
And he was kind of surprising because he's like, I
can't look at a show. He's like, I don't know
how to work a streamer, but like someone has showed
me Euphoria. He's like, it would be embarrassing for me
to look at a show like Euphoria and not say
like this is brilliant and there's brilliant things happening here
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and the actors on this are incredible. And then he
and Luis Throw went on to have this conversation about it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I'm just not on my bingo car that Sean Pan
is sitting at home watching Euphoria.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, and being like, yeah, it would be a miss
of me not to say that this is excellent and
then wonderful writing, Yeah, excellent, makeup, yeah exactly, and like
that Zendaya great, which again again like upour, it is
a really great show. But again I just didn't think
it was what Sean Penn was watching. But then they
got onto a really interesting conversation about the fact that
movie stars don't exist anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
You know, there's no really such thing as a movie
star anymore. Right, That's that's kind of it's just this
gigantic library here. I'll give you an example, Game of Thrones.
Of course I know about Game of Thrones. I know
it was huge, said so they told me. I just
didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
A mini DiCaprio.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well that's before they started stopped the movie star. I
think the movie star manufacturer ran out around Jennifer Lawrence
time or something. She was the last probably the last
movie story.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, and you agree with him, I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
And something I've said before, and I've got a lot
of hate for just because I think people will jump
in and say, like, but this person is so famous
and this person is such a great acta.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That's not what a movie star. That's not what Sean Penn,
and I think, yeah, in our collective, So how do
you classify actual movie stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I think it's someone who has become like their name
is a bigger brand than they are as a person,
and that their name can open a movie, and that
their name has become part of culture and history in
like a bigger way than any of their performances are.
I just think like back in the day, and it
was something so old now, Like back in the day,
there would be like one big movie that would open
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every week, and everyone would go and see that movie,
and you would have shorthand like that's the new Brad
Pitt movie, that's the new Julia Roberts movie. That's the
Tom Hanks make Rian movie. Like we have this kind
of shorthand. And I also remember when I was little,
like putting on a movie and like being like seven
years old, and everyone in my family was like, this
is a Julia Roberts movie, Like we all knew who
(24:02):
Julia Roberts was. Me at seven, my mum in her forties,
my grandmother like nearing ninety, and like she was a
movie staff for kind of everyone. But I think there's
lots of people who have global fame, but they wouldn't
necessarily be cutting across every single generation, every single piece
of media. They wouldn't like own culture in the way
that someone did that. And just because the way we
(24:22):
consume culture has changed, just because there was like one
big TV show on one big monthly magazine that the
same person was on every cover, one big movie that
was coming out at the movies, and like if you
wanted to watch a movie, you had to go there
and that person's name was up in lights at the front,
whereas now like you have someone who has TikTok fame,
someone who has Instagram fame, someone who has fame on
(24:43):
like a Netflix streamer, someone who's got like a box
office movie out. But you could be opening a Marvel
movie and like a bunch of people could not know
your name.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Do you like, Yeah, I wouldn't know, and I wouldn't
even know that it was a Marvel movie. And I
think that it comes down to as you were saying,
but the democratization of fame, Like fame used to only
be for those big movie stas who got the huge
blockbusters a couple of year, and these days so many
(25:12):
different people are famous. Like most people will know of
someone that is even just a little bit famous or
a blot famous, and a lot of the time TikToker
might be way more famous than an actual movie star,
and they're also worth a lot more money. Movie star
was the ultimate goal a little because you've got fame
(25:32):
and you've got money. And not for everyone, of course,
but we all wanted to be actresses or a performer
of some sort. And now it's quite scary that kids
want to be TikTokers because well, there's no real skill.
If you're looking at a classic TikToker. Of course you
(25:53):
need to have personality, you need to have creativity, but
it's very different and there isn't this sort of need
like if I looked at say, Ellie Fanning. So I
was having a think about it this morning. So Ellie
Fanning is a huge actress to ell oh, I thought
it was Ellie jactress. Kelly doesn't know her name, but
she's been working since she was three years old, mid
(26:14):
twenties now and started in a movie with Sean Panne.
I love how you bring this around. Look at me,
I really am, not intentionally, and she's worth about eight
million dollars. You know what else is worth eight million
dollars alex El and she's been working for a few
years on Tito. I'm not saying that she's not talented,
but the level of work is vastly different. Yeah, so
if you're a young person, you're probably not like going
(26:36):
after it in the same way.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, definitely, how you can get famous has really changed.
But even so, like how you can become almost like
a caricature through fame, Like in a way almost TikTokers
have taken over that kind of classic movie star thing
of like having a very specific look and feel that
you are soci with them.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Who I did it again to I Chapel.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh okay, I was like, I actually thought you were
just saying a TikToker.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I wasn't cool enough to know. Tell me picking over
Chapel and Charlie XX Charlie XC Oh my god, I
sound ninety exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Chapel Road is actually a really good example because someone
could do like a caricature painting watercolor of Chapel Road
and like blur her features.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like Kimmy kau caught last year.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah exactly, And again that's exactly what Kim Kardashian was
trying to do. When she went to the met gala
and she had her face covered and it was almost
like she was She's what a movie star would have
been years ago. Is that her look is recognizable without
her face, And that was the whole point of her look,
is She's like, I can cover my face because my
body is so distinct that everyone will know who I am.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And that's what we used to do.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But if it wasn't at the Metcha, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
She's got a pretty distinct body. If she walked down
the street with her face covered, you could almost assume it's.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
More of like I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
If you knew that she was on the street, you
would yet with her. If you didn't know she was,
like if she just flew into Sydney privately and walked
down the street with her face and body covered, you
will not think Kim.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
More so, if she was like if an artist drew
her on a poster and drew her in that way,
you could know her body the same way as like
Marilyn Monroe was like a classic old school movie star
has a very distinct look that you would instantly know
even if someone blurred her features, and just like crazy watercolor,
you would know it's her.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Same with Audrey Hepburn.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Once you saw like the pixie cut and the white shirt,
like these very distinct people who became a brand and
a business outside of just being themselves. They became like
an idea. I don't think actors who get famous now
become an idea. They're just a famous actor who people
love and like watch their stuff. Yeah, but they don't
like shift culture in the same way.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Do you think as well that we haven't given the
new wave of movie stars or famous people enough time.
Like was Nicole Kidman and Meryl Streep and Julia Roberts
famous in their twenties like movie stars in their twenties? Yeah, yeah,
I think so, just because again like when they came.
But work is hard, though, Laura, these days it's like
(28:53):
they were doing six movies a year. They're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I think maybe the only time will tell and someone
like that, Like I'm trying to think of a movie
star now. Sean Penn and Luis throw were saying Timothy
Shallomeye even though Sean Painn hadn't seen any of his movies,
because like I hear, I hear, he's great and he.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Is she's a movie She's the only one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I would kind of think, who has that kind of
old school classic movie star where the myths and day
out rivals the work that she does. In terms of
the work that she does is great, But people would say,
I'm going to go see the News and Day movie.
So in a way she has that sort of I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Pray that still, so like, I think she's fantastic, but
I wouldn't say, I know what you mean with the oh,
I'm going to go see the new Nicole Kidman or
the Merrill's new film. But I'm also thinking of like
who I think could be Oscar winners, like big movie stars,
huge movies in the next decade or two. Yeah, Florence Pew.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, but she's But I also think when you
look at the people who we at the moment think
are so famous and the best actors in the world,
like a Mikey Madison or a Florence Pew, I don't
think like that's not an uneration who they are, Yeah,
kind of thing like old school movie stars. Well, or interestingly,
like Sean Penn was talking about Tom Cruise in this article,
and I would say that Tom Cruise is like a
brand of movie star that doesn't really happen anymore in
(30:07):
terms of like projects being built around him and like
things selling on his name, and even the way he
goes out and does press and media, and like the
way like terrible stories and allegations against him can exist
at the same time as him being like beloved and
you can still put his name on a movie poster
and people will go and see it. Yes, yes, because
of that, even if like like the new Missed and
(30:29):
Impossible movie, it's not great, but like everyone's going to
go and see it and it's fine.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, it's not one that's going to go straight to streaming.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, because it's it's like the mythology of Tom Cruise.
But and he also brings up a lot of actors
behind him, like that Glenn Power has to go and
do like the Tom Cruise School movie school, which is
where you sit and watch a lot of movies at
Tom Cruise has picked for you.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Actually sounds so fine. I'd love you to do it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It would be so good at that, and I would
be so bad.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But like, even though Tom Cruise is like very big
on like molding other mostly men young men to kind
of be him, and he's talked a lot about that
none of these young men that he's molding to be
him are even coming close to what he is in
terms of like fame and star power and all.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
That sort of stuff. But I don't think it has
anything to do with the talent. Yeah, I think it
is completely down to the democratization of fame and also
just that we absorb media so differently, because I was
like streaming services exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Imagine for the next month if there was only one
movie coming out and it was just like a Florence
Pugh and Timothy Challowy and so then they already have
this worldwide fame, but then like every single person in
the world would be talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Anything we want.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Movie that's knew is this movie of Yeah, So I
think it's just the way cultures movie. And look, maybe
it's not Maybe it's not the worst thing because it's
instead of having one person be the cornerstone for like
every different movie and they're on every magazine and then
get one movie exactly and have this monopoly. Like maybe
it is better that like more voices are being brought in.
But I just think it's interesting that like we're living
(31:58):
through the age of the death of the movie stuff,
and there won't be anymore like we're seeing the last
few people like we get.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
To be around.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It will be around when they die watching the dinosaurs
diet Guys, you're not dinosaurs, they're but some of you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Like, we'll remember you, but you're you're on the way out.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It'll be very sad and it'll be across every single
news outlet when they die. Whereas if like a younger person,
Oh wow, that sounds so bad, you know what I mean,
Like it would not get people would be like who who, Yeah,
this person.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's just an interesting it's a good shift in culture,
but it's just an interesting one to watch. Agree well,
thank you so much for coming on that journey with
us and listening to this bill today.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
You're on a wild ride of topics today.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
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Speaker 1 (32:54):
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So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Kelly McCarron.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And coming up on the show today, the history lesson
you never knew you needed, but we need to.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's the history of Gwyneth Paltrow's It smells like my
vagina candle because she has got up on stage at
an event and depending which headline you read, she's let loose.
She gave a foul mouth response. But there's something just
so interesting in the backstory. So we're going to get
into this.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You could have just said the history of Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina. Yeah,
keep the people like you can.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, we'll get to both those things, I'm sure, because
they're forever intertwined.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Can't have one without the other.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Also, the death of the movie star a nice little
light chat for a Tuesday, brought to us by a
very unexpected sol So we're going to get into that.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But first, one of our favorite NEPO babies who's quite
open about being in their po baby, which we really
love and appreciate, has spoken out about being cut off
by her famous parents and cut off is in air quotes.
Dakota Johnson, who we know from Fifty Shades and How
to Be Single, is the daughter of Hollywood legends Melanie
Griffith and Don Johnson. She's recently spoken to Luk about
(01:35):
what happened when she chose not to go to college,
because well, I'm sure everyone, but in America you go
to college. Yeah, you know. In Australia, it's kind of like, eh,
you do or you don't, Like, it's not weird if
someone doesn't go. But in America you go to college.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, for a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I mean I think it's maybe slightly changing now or
maybe more people just can't afford to go. But then
it was just you do that to get like even
a base level john Yeah, definitely. The children of the
wealthy definitely went to some sort of college, whether they
did their work or not, they just went there to
have the document.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So she had tried out for Juilliard, which is a
performance school, and called it so awful and terrifying, like
it's a two date chorus line thing. Then after that
she said, when I didn't get in, my dad cut
me off because I didn't go to college. And this
made her get straight into auditioning. She did the Social
Network soon after. I actually forgot she was in that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, that was one of her first big breakout roles.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But Laura, did you really get cut off or is
this just you know, someone trying to be I love
it when celebrities try to be relatable by being very unrelatable. Yeah,
it is slightly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Off brand from her because her whole brand is being
not relatable, which she's like leaning into the NEPO baby exactly,
which as an EPO baby has really helped her coast.
And she has this like very specific Hollywood pedigree that
NEPO babies, like first generation don't really have.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Like she's like third generation.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So her grandmother is tip Heedron, very famous, old school,
old world kind of Hollywood actress. Her mother is Melanie Griffith.
Her father is Don Johnson, but also her stepfather for
over twenty years was Antonio Banderrez. And now she's dating
Chris Martin and like Sister Wives with Gwameth Paltrow, everyone's.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Dating Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No, oh, okay, that's okay, we won't because that's a
surprising information for anyone else. She's in a movie with
Pedro Pascal and they're doing the Pedro's Pascal never talks
about dating anyone. We have no information about him, and
we like it that way because that just allows everyone
keeps the drum with him. But no, she's been with
Chris Martin for many, many years and she considers his ex. Yeah,
and she and Gwyneth are like really good friends, Like
(03:29):
they talk about loving each other.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They go to events together. You're looking at.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Me right now together Martians sometimes things just they've just
been so public about it. But yes, anyway, So she
comes from a very kind of very celebrity heavy world,
and like when she tells stories of her childhood, it's
like this time I went to the Oscars because you know,
she's been going to Oscar since she was six, or
like being in her grandmother's which is very yeah, and
like having all these celebrities come over and all this
sort of stuff. So and like going to Antonio Bandero's
(03:55):
who she calls Papa, like going to his you know,
big movie sets and stuff at the height of his career,
so like very in that world, and she's told the
story a few times. It kind of gets pedaled out
every time she does oppress too, But this is the
first time I think it's blown up in a way
where people are like, I can't believe she was cut
off and she's really fought the good fight. And I
was like, what do.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You think that cut off means? Because if someone says
that my parents cut me off, like I definitely am
not living there in them inactions, in which of their mansions.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, again, it's one of those things where and I think,
also not to defend Don Johnson, but I think when
she's told this story previously, she did kind.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Of allude to the fact.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He's like, just because she didn't get into Juilliard, which
is the most prestigious performance school in the world, that
they wanted her to go to some sort of college
and she said no, and they're like, well, you either
get a job or you go to college, or we
won't fund your life.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Which I think that that's actually really good parenting. You
can't just like spoon feed your kid money if they're
not willing to do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But I think then she talks about like CouchSurfing, but
she's CouchSurfing between like her celebrity house. Yeah, Like her
best growing up is like Riley Keok, Elvis's granddaughter, her
other best friend of Zoe Kravitz.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Like they're in this little girl gang to couch surfing.
Is actually they the poolhouse?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, Elvis is an unused to state, like the girl
is doing it tough.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
She's out there doing.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It well, you can borrow my maid for a few hours,
so as much.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And like there's such a difference not being able to
pay rent when you know that you have so many
fall back options to not being able to pay rent
and there's no.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Options claving in your car. Yeah exactly so.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But again, I just think when she's on these press tours,
she just throws at anything again because she's grown up
so famous, love this intense safety net that I just
wish she'd go from all the quirky side. Like the
only time Dakota Johnson's ever annoyed me is when she
was asked about being an EPO baby, and I thought
she was going to go down that route where she
just said like a silly answering and how she just
like she goes off on a tangent and interviews, and
(05:43):
she's like weirdly whimsical. Like also in this interview she's
talking about like being an only fans so she can
like just wiggle her toe because Pedro Pascal told her to,
like she lives in a fantasy world.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
She's also like she's quite funny and she's quite honest
with things. Remember that ad tour that she did the
architecture and then she comes out and she goes it
was definitely starved because I'm allergic to limes. Yeah, and
then like the her picking up the lie going come.
I know, she's like she's funny.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
She's got very good like deadpan comedy timing like Amma, yeah,
yeah exactly that kind of just dead behind the eyes,
but will say something really funny. So the only time
she has annoyed me is when previously she's talked about
being a NEPO baby, and when she was asked about it,
she was like, Oh, it's so boring. It's just a
boring conversation. And I think that was kind of a
lazy answer for her, because I wanted her to like
(06:30):
just go off and tell some magical stories about growing
up in this crazy world and I don't think anyone
would regard her, that they would love her more, but
saying it's boring when you're having this conversation about like
who gets to make art and who gets to be
in movies and who gets steal this stuff? Because she
is a good actress, I think she's actually a better
interview almost than she is an actress, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
She's a better personality than she is an actress.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
She's beautiful and she's not bad at acting like she
was always gonna get. Of course, the parents and the
grandparents helped, and she might not have gotten it regardless. Yeah,
she wouldn't continue to get roles if she was awful.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
She's one of those NEPO babies. For me, she's on
the fence. There's some NEPO babies that come through like
a like a Kate Hudh where she comes into the
room and you're just like, I believe that you probably
would have got how to lose a guy in ten
days without your mum, Gwenne And there is yeah, exactly.
I do think that there's like someone like Dakota Johnson
who comes in. It's like I feel like, out of
(07:25):
all the pretty brunette women in the room.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You didn't have to be the one.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That they pulled out of the line and put on stage,
but you did, and then you were able to build
on it, yeah, from there, because again, not every NEPO
baby who gets thrown into the ring with everything, like
think about rumor Willis like, her parents are Bruce Willis
and Demi Moore, and she tried for years to be
an actress. Her parents put her in movies, production companies
put her in movies. People did favors for her, and for.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Some reason, she just couldn't, for some reason, get over
that line. Objectively, objectively, she doesn't conform to traditional giddy standards.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, and people were horrendous about what she looks like
and stuff, which.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Objectively subjectively I mean, but you know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, exactly, for some reason, someone like to it that
she's not it. Whereas Dakota, especially like in her first
couple of movie you can see she's finding her feet,
but people don't usually get a chance to find.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like Lily Rose's Depp.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Lily Roy's dep is terrible in her first couple of movies,
and then she was good in The Idol and then
she's really really good in us Feratu. But that comes
with having like super famous parents who will like lift
her for along until she gets to the stage where
someone else would have been when they started. It's kind
of interesting because like, I don't mind NEPO babies being
in the mix, but I want them to like entertain
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us with these yeah, not complain about it, Not say
it made life harder for them because.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because it definitely didn't. And to own it and just say, yeah,
my parents gave me a leg up. Yeah who cares.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, and then tell us some crazy Hollywood stories like.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Tom Cruise passed out in my house.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, that's not so funny, because Kate Husan does tell
a story like that where she's like, yeah, it's a
nap for baby. Once I was storing a party in
my parents' house and Tom Cruise climbed the fence. Like
that's what I want to hear from exactly. That's why
we love Kate. And that's like with Jakota Johnson, like
I just want to know what she and Riley Kiir
and Zoe Kravitz did when they were like twelve years old.
She said they hung out in car parks and like,
did you know, I mean they're like drinking and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
But I was like, that's funny. You tell the story.
It doesn't don't people recognize you guys, Like and then
does Lenny Kravitz come and rock up to pick you.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
All and be like, have you guys been drinking?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, like tell us those stories.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But yeah, she look, look, we'll give her a pass
on this one. She's still one of our favorite NEPO babies.
So once again we are talking about Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina,
which I never thought would be such a big part
of my career back when I was at university studying journalism.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you thought, in art, I'm going to get paid
to talk about a candle that smells like a celebrities vagina.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yes, and look, this candle came out many, many years ago,
so we thought, you know, the story had settled, kind
of buy the candle anymore on group it's been discontinued.
Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't talk about anymore. We thought the candle
was in the past, but it read its head again
in the last couple of days because Gwyneth Paltrow made
an appearance at the Mine Valley Manifesting Summit in La
and was asked about the candle and she did what
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a paltro thing where she kind of like takes her
breath and then she thinks about it and then ah,
yeah she does, and then she does.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
A little laugh to the side, very specific or yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You got energy.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Oh you're even wearing like a beige knit you very
goop energy coming off you. With my hairs too natural,
she have that simply have licked right down.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yes, you need to have some bone broth and just
fix that up.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So she was on stage and she said the product
was so fascinating because they were just messing around with
different sense one day. This is her telling the story
of how the candle, the infamous vagina candle came to
be and she said that smells like, oh you know,
and then everyone laughed in the audience because she was
clearly making a joke. And then she said that it
was actually a conversation between her and her perfumer, Douglas little.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh my god, that poor perfumer. Imagine giving someone a
scent and they go that smells like a vagina.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
No, Douglas ran with it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
He's actually the perpetrator in the story, he's the evil mastermind,
if you will, because Gwyneth is now and look, this
is a slightly different story to the one she's told
over the years, like she's kind of was trying to
distance herself in a.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Way, but she's also adding mayo. Yeah, yeah, she's just
just a little bit of extra.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So she then said that she was joking when she
said that the candle smelled like her vagina, because when
she smelled it, she said it smelled like geranium, citrus, cedar.
And I can't even say half these words damask rose
and amborette seed, and my poor North Queensland nose doesn't
know any of those scents except for citrus. I do
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because that was a big body like spray scent when
I was a teenager.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You know those ones.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Well, yes, I've got quite a good nose, and I
know perfume. And has anyone come out and said, what
the candle actually smells like? Like, it smells like citrus, okay, Australia,
But it's not a vaginal odor.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, no, no, it was never meant to be.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I think the idea of what she's saying here is
that they were smelling different candles for her group line.
She smelled this one. It smelled beautiful, and she said,
that smells like my vagina.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Ha ha ha.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And then she says, Douglas took that very literal and said,
what if we sold a candle that says this smells
like my vagina like you just said. And she says
that she just laughed and thinking it was a joke,
said yeah, let's do that. Who wouldn't want to buy that?
And then she's kind of inferring here that Douglas went
a little bit rogue. And then the next thing she knew,
she clicked onto the Goop website and this candle smells vagina.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's absolutely what happened. Things go live on her website
without any several steps of approval. So it's almost like
you know that outcast song, no you'll like to think,
or shit don't stink. So she's like, my vagina and
vaginas aren't smelly unless there's, you know, an infection or something,
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but they do have an odor, a particular just it
smells like a vagina. So it's almost like she was
inferring like her, shit don't stink, that my vagina smells
like this citrusy gorgeousness. Well only unless you're using citrus
soap on it, which is very bad for the pH Yeah. Yeah,
well I've never thought of it. Literally, I actually thought
she I just like, why did I just take it
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so far?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
But well, the thing is, this is the interesting part
of the history of the vaginan candle. It just depends
which way you're looking at it. It's either a very
feminist statement or a very unfeminist statement, because you can
either look at it like, if that's true, then she's
using medical products you should use. Or the way I've
kind of thought of it over the years is that
she was pushing back against this idea that women can't
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have a natural scent and that you've got to smell
like this particular way. And so she smelled this beautiful
candle and she's like, I'm just gonna own it and
say that's what I smell like. So she said pretty
much like not the next day, but pretty soon after
this conversation, it was on the website, and she's like,
and then we broke the internet again, and it took
me a long time to live that one down. Then
she went to say, but I kept it on the
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site because there's an aspect to women's sexuality that I
think we've over socialized to feel a lot of shame,
And I sort of love this kind of punk rock idea.
We are beautiful and we are awesome, so go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I think if she really wanted to lean into that,
she should have actually released a Vagina candle that didn't
smell like citrus.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I mean yeah, it's like she'll kind of teeter on
the edge of like feminism but then kind.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Of like a like a citrus element. But it should
be if you really want to lean in and own
the scent and own the power release a candle. Then Guinney, Well, she.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Did go on to release a few more so then
the my Vagina candles went obviously crazy at the time, and.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Vagina after a lot of pineapple candle, my Vagina after
too much asparagus candle. Now we're getting really deep in there.
So they were seventy five dollars at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Now, because they've been discontinued, they are a very rare
collector's item now, so mostly research for four hundred.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You know, I've tried to buy this for another co host.
I'm not buying yet.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
What it's four hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I'll put that on the company card. So after the
Vagina Candle, we had this one smells like my orgasm. Yeah,
I didn't really take off, and then this one smells
like my prenup, which is a slightly different, yeah situation.
I think again there was some sort of there was
magic in a bottle with the vagina candle.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I didn't replicate it.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, And it just sounds like you're trying too hard.
It's kind of like making a sequel to a movie,
but it's not good.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah. Everyone just gets in a room. It's like, Oh,
we need to make more money off this walk can
we do? So those ones didn't go as well. She
did release in twenty twenty two the Hands Off My
Vagina Candle, which for a while, I think a lot
of peoples like hands off my vagina, as in like
don't touch me, oh kind of handle And I think
a lot of people at the time, and maybe I
did for some time as well, think that that was
kind of like getting a bit into the me too movement,
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especially because she had like given evidence against Harvey Weinstein
and all of that, and it was like a kind
of a symbol, but it was actually when Roe v.
Wade was overturned in the US, so like the abortion law,
and then twenty five dollars from the sale of each
candle went to a Reproductive Freedom Project charity. So I
think that was a nice way to kind of like
bring it full circle. It was jarring for people when
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like that huge conversation was happening over abortion laws and
women's rights for their body and everything. For Gwyneth Paltrow
to come out and be like, and here's my contribution
this candle, which is over seventy five dollars, but twenty
dollars will we will you know, which is actually quite good,
Like that's a big chunk of fifth profit. It's exactly,
It's something she could have done nothing. The other interesting
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thing of the history of these candles is that allegedly
they have tried to kill people over the years. She's
been sued many times for these candles.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Do you know this?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No? What?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Because the candle exploded? Yeah, okay, yeah, that does happen
sometimes it happens.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, like fifty candles a night on my apartment. I've
never had one explode.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Oh, I've had several explode. It's quite scary when it
does happen. It's not common, but.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, it has happened a few times with Gwenna.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That makes sense. But like if you think about how
many hundreds of thousands of people bought the candle, will
yeah then yes it yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
All right, well that's a new fear.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Unlocked.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I thought these people were making it up that are candle.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Leave them unattended in a room because if it explodes
and something's close by, it catches on fire.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay, so yeah, I can't literal.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I'm really just unlocked a few well, as anyone who
follows me on Instagram knows, I can't watch a movie
unless I have a minimum five to six candles lit
and I sit like in the middle of them, and
so if one was to explode, I would be gone.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But at least I'd go happy.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You would because it's with your drink CARDI yeah, beverage happy.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Flower lighting my ten cut next to my alcohol cut.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That's something. And the flowers flammable flowers.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, I'm going to wreathing that hole set up anyway.
A Texas resident called Colby Watson sued Gwyneth Paltrow for
five million dollars where he claimed, And why were you
burning the candle Colby, That's what I want to know.
He claimed the candles on his bedside table and exploded.
He said he burned it for three hours. It exploded immediately.
Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina candle engulfed his whole room in a
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five flame. Yeah, pretty much, and all that was left
was a black burnt ring.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, sir, you weren't using your candles, but you were
not observing it because that's not on her exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So he burned his bedroom to the ground.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Gwyneth Paltrow group called his lawsuit frivolous and an attempt
to secure an outsized payment from a press heavy product,
which is fair.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And then a woman called Judy Thompson, who.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I believe in the UK.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Judy I felt a bit worse for because Judy won
the candle in a work quiz. So there was a
quiz at work.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
She won.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
She answered the most like factually correct answers and she
got given this vagina candle.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
She had no idea what it was.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Judy took it home, lit the candle and said, in
a few minutes. This is Judy's testimony in court against
Gwyneth Paltrow's Vagina candle. She said, a few minutes after
I lit the candle, it exploded. Flames roared half a
meter out of the jar, and bits of molten wax
flew as it frizzled and spat. We couldn't get near
to blow it out as the flames were so ferocious,
and we didn't want to throw water on it for
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fear of splashing molten wax everywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Burned down. Judy's like, oh my god, the vagina candles
on fire.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
She said, Luckily I had.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Placed it on concrete at the base of what was
once a fireplace, and then she said her home was
like her living room was gone. Judy also didn't get
any lost for Gwyneth Peltrow.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Who said it was the right thing with their candle.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, what we know from Gwyneth Paltrow was like, you
don't want to go up against her in a court room,
remember the whole scheme. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like she will
cut you down. So I don't think any either of
these lawsuits really went anywhere. But again, like we had
this candle coming out as this feminist manifesto, we had
it just become this huge pop culture moment, selling out
all over the world. Then it allegedly tried to kill
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two people, and now Gwenna's on stage defending its existence.
So we've kind of come full circle with the candle
and it's just been a lovely thing to have in
our lives the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
There's light and shade in the news cycle. You need
the light and that is in the form of a candle.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well, something I never thought i'd say is that today
I listened to a very long podcast interview with Sean
penn oscar winner, long term mega movie star Sean penn
on the Louis Throw podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Is an abomatic Why would you think you never would
agree with anything?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, he's pretty problematic.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Well, yeah, he's a very he has this very old
school way of thinking and it Boo has. Yeah, and
also over the years, like he has said some kind
of not great stuff about different things. You know, he's
just not someone I would normally align myself with. But
except for the part in the podcast where he's kind
of defending Woody Allen then saying he work with him again.
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But he was also saying that he's like, I just
don't know all the facts and then he was also
talking about like smoking alcohol not really causing cancer. If
you like, do something you love, maybe you can let
it kill you, but it probably won't.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I wouldn't take medical advice from the man, but I
think that should go, you know, as says. But then
also they're like, do you like drinking? And he's like, yeah,
I mean if you count drinking Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
I love drinking. And I was like, oh, why we're
the same person. But anyway, the main things much comment, Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
My god, do I want to hang out with Sean Penn?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So Luis throw went up to his like fancy la
home and they hung out for a few hours. And
what I thought was interesting is that they were talking
about kind of the state of Hollywood at the moment,
and because Sean Penn was saying that he has to
really love a project to work on it at the moment,
even though he's still like a very in demand actor
and he only wants to do projects that basically he's
written I'm not paraphrasing now, because he will love what
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he writes, but he doesn't love what other actors write.
And he found that, like after winning his last Oscar
for Milk, he was very disillusioned with the industry, which
led to a conversation about who in the industry is
doing really well? And I expected him when they when
Luis Throw started asking him about a lot of the
big shows and movies that he would do that very
old school actor thing and be like, oh, streaming as
(21:40):
rubbish and you know all those shows of rubbish and
like young actors coming up today, because that is usually
the tact that a lot of actors of that generation take.
And he was kind of surprising because he's like, I
can't look at a show. He's like, I don't know
how to work a streamer, but like someone has showed
me Euphoria. He's like, it would be embarrassing for me
to look at a show like Euphoria and not say
like this is brilliant and there's brilliant things happening here
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and the actors on this are incredible. And then he
and Luis Throw went on to have this conversation about it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I'm just not on my bingo car that Sean Pan
is sitting at home watching Euphoria.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, and being like, yeah, it would be a miss
of me not to say that this is excellent and
then wonderful writing, Yeah, excellent, makeup, yeah exactly, and like
that Zendaya great, which again again like upour, it is
a really great show. But again I just didn't think
it was what Sean Penn was watching. But then they
got onto a really interesting conversation about the fact that
movie stars don't exist anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
You know, there's no really such thing as a movie
star anymore. Right, That's that's kind of it's just this
gigantic library here. I'll give you an example, Game of Thrones.
Of course I know about Game of Thrones. I know
it was huge, said so they told me. I just
didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
A mini DiCaprio.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well that's before they started stopped the movie star. I
think the movie star manufacturer ran out around Jennifer Lawrence
time or something. She was the last probably the last
movie story.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, and you agree with him, I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
And something I've said before, and I've got a lot
of hate for just because I think people will jump
in and say, like, but this person is so famous
and this person is such a great acta.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That's not what a movie star. That's not what Sean Penn,
and I think, yeah, in our collective, So how do
you classify actual movie stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I think it's someone who has become like their name
is a bigger brand than they are as a person,
and that their name can open a movie, and that
their name has become part of culture and history in
like a bigger way than any of their performances are.
I just think like back in the day, and it
was something so old now, Like back in the day,
there would be like one big movie that would open
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every week, and everyone would go and see that movie,
and you would have shorthand like that's the new Brad
Pitt movie, that's the new Julia Roberts movie. That's the
Tom Hanks make Rian movie. Like we have this kind
of shorthand. And I also remember when I was little,
like putting on a movie and like being like seven
years old, and everyone in my family was like, this
is a Julia Roberts movie, Like we all knew who
(24:02):
Julia Roberts was. Me at seven, my mum in her forties,
my grandmother like nearing ninety, and like she was a
movie staff for kind of everyone. But I think there's
lots of people who have global fame, but they wouldn't
necessarily be cutting across every single generation, every single piece
of media. They wouldn't like own culture in the way
that someone did that. And just because the way we
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consume culture has changed, just because there was like one
big TV show on one big monthly magazine that the
same person was on every cover, one big movie that
was coming out at the movies, and like if you
wanted to watch a movie, you had to go there
and that person's name was up in lights at the front,
whereas now like you have someone who has TikTok fame,
someone who has Instagram fame, someone who has fame on
(24:43):
like a Netflix streamer, someone who's got like a box
office movie out. But you could be opening a Marvel
movie and like a bunch of people could not know
your name.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Do you like, Yeah, I wouldn't know, and I wouldn't
even know that it was a Marvel movie. And I
think that it comes down to as you were saying,
but the democratization of fame, Like fame used to only
be for those big movie stas who got the huge
blockbusters a couple of year, and these days so many
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different people are famous. Like most people will know of
someone that is even just a little bit famous or
a blot famous, and a lot of the time TikToker
might be way more famous than an actual movie star,
and they're also worth a lot more money. Movie star
was the ultimate goal a little because you've got fame
(25:32):
and you've got money. And not for everyone, of course,
but we all wanted to be actresses or a performer
of some sort. And now it's quite scary that kids
want to be TikTokers because well, there's no real skill.
If you're looking at a classic TikToker. Of course you
(25:53):
need to have personality, you need to have creativity, but
it's very different and there isn't this sort of need
like if I looked at say, Ellie Fanning. So I
was having a think about it this morning. So Ellie
Fanning is a huge actress to ell oh, I thought
it was Ellie jactress. Kelly doesn't know her name, but
she's been working since she was three years old, mid
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twenties now and started in a movie with Sean Panne.
I love how you bring this around. Look at me,
I really am, not intentionally, and she's worth about eight
million dollars. You know what else is worth eight million
dollars alex El and she's been working for a few
years on Tito. I'm not saying that she's not talented,
but the level of work is vastly different. Yeah, so
if you're a young person, you're probably not like going
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after it in the same way.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, definitely, how you can get famous has really changed.
But even so, like how you can become almost like
a caricature through fame, Like in a way almost TikTokers
have taken over that kind of classic movie star thing
of like having a very specific look and feel that
you are soci with them.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Who I did it again to I Chapel.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh okay, I was like, I actually thought you were
just saying a TikToker.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I wasn't cool enough to know. Tell me picking over
Chapel and Charlie XX Charlie XC Oh my god, I
sound ninety exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Chapel Road is actually a really good example because someone
could do like a caricature painting watercolor of Chapel Road
and like blur her features.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like Kimmy kau caught last year.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah exactly, And again that's exactly what Kim Kardashian was
trying to do. When she went to the met gala
and she had her face covered and it was almost
like she was She's what a movie star would have
been years ago. Is that her look is recognizable without
her face, And that was the whole point of her look,
is She's like, I can cover my face because my
body is so distinct that everyone will know who I am.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And that's what we used to do.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But if it wasn't at the Metcha, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
She's got a pretty distinct body. If she walked down
the street with her face covered, you could almost assume it's.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
More of like I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
If you knew that she was on the street, you
would yet with her. If you didn't know she was,
like if she just flew into Sydney privately and walked
down the street with her face and body covered, you
will not think Kim.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
More so, if she was like if an artist drew
her on a poster and drew her in that way,
you could know her body the same way as like
Marilyn Monroe was like a classic old school movie star
has a very distinct look that you would instantly know
even if someone blurred her features, and just like crazy watercolor,
you would know it's her.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Same with Audrey Hepburn.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Once you saw like the pixie cut and the white shirt,
like these very distinct people who became a brand and
a business outside of just being themselves. They became like
an idea. I don't think actors who get famous now
become an idea. They're just a famous actor who people
love and like watch their stuff. Yeah, but they don't
like shift culture in the same way.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Do you think as well that we haven't given the
new wave of movie stars or famous people enough time.
Like was Nicole Kidman and Meryl Streep and Julia Roberts
famous in their twenties like movie stars in their twenties? Yeah, yeah,
I think so, just because again like when they came.
But work is hard, though, Laura, these days it's like
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they were doing six movies a year. They're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
That's very true.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I think maybe the only time will tell and someone
like that, Like I'm trying to think of a movie
star now. Sean Penn and Luis throw were saying Timothy
Shallomeye even though Sean Painn hadn't seen any of his movies,
because like I hear, I hear, he's great and he.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Is she's a movie She's the only one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I would kind of think, who has that kind of
old school classic movie star where the myths and day
out rivals the work that she does. In terms of
the work that she does is great, But people would say,
I'm going to go see the News and Day movie.
So in a way she has that sort of I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Pray that still, so like, I think she's fantastic, but
I wouldn't say, I know what you mean with the oh,
I'm going to go see the new Nicole Kidman or
the Merrill's new film. But I'm also thinking of like
who I think could be Oscar winners, like big movie stars,
huge movies in the next decade or two. Yeah, Florence Pew.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, but she's But I also think when you
look at the people who we at the moment think
are so famous and the best actors in the world,
like a Mikey Madison or a Florence Pew, I don't
think like that's not an uneration who they are, Yeah,
kind of thing like old school movie stars. Well, or interestingly,
like Sean Penn was talking about Tom Cruise in this article,
and I would say that Tom Cruise is like a
brand of movie star that doesn't really happen anymore in
(30:07):
terms of like projects being built around him and like
things selling on his name, and even the way he
goes out and does press and media, and like the
way like terrible stories and allegations against him can exist
at the same time as him being like beloved and
you can still put his name on a movie poster
and people will go and see it. Yes, yes, because
of that, even if like like the new Missed and
(30:29):
Impossible movie, it's not great, but like everyone's going to
go and see it and it's fine.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, it's not one that's going to go straight to streaming.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, because it's it's like the mythology of Tom Cruise.
But and he also brings up a lot of actors
behind him, like that Glenn Power has to go and
do like the Tom Cruise School movie school, which is
where you sit and watch a lot of movies at
Tom Cruise has picked for you.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Actually sounds so fine. I'd love you to do it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It would be so good at that, and I would
be so bad.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But like, even though Tom Cruise is like very big
on like molding other mostly men young men to kind
of be him, and he's talked a lot about that
none of these young men that he's molding to be
him are even coming close to what he is in
terms of like fame and star power and all.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
That sort of stuff. But I don't think it has
anything to do with the talent. Yeah, I think it
is completely down to the democratization of fame and also
just that we absorb media so differently, because I was
like streaming services exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Imagine for the next month if there was only one
movie coming out and it was just like a Florence
Pugh and Timothy Challowy and so then they already have
this worldwide fame, but then like every single person in
the world would be talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Anything we want.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Movie that's knew is this movie of Yeah, So I
think it's just the way cultures movie. And look, maybe
it's not Maybe it's not the worst thing because it's
instead of having one person be the cornerstone for like
every different movie and they're on every magazine and then
get one movie exactly and have this monopoly. Like maybe
it is better that like more voices are being brought in.
But I just think it's interesting that like we're living
(31:58):
through the age of the death of the movie stuff,
and there won't be anymore like we're seeing the last
few people like we get.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
To be around.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It will be around when they die watching the dinosaurs
diet Guys, you're not dinosaurs, they're but some of you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Like, we'll remember you, but you're you're on the way out.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It'll be very sad and it'll be across every single
news outlet when they die. Whereas if like a younger person,
Oh wow, that sounds so bad, you know what I mean,
Like it would not get people would be like who who, Yeah,
this person.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's just an interesting it's a good shift in culture,
but it's just an interesting one to watch. Agree well,
thank you so much for coming on that journey with
us and listening to this bill today.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
You're on a wild ride of topics today.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
If you want more of the Spill, which after listening
to that, why wouldn't you make sure you're following us
on TikTok or the Spill on TikTok. Lots of great
things getting posted there, including lots of clips from the
carn Film Festival at the moment for all those bits
you missed, and also the Spill podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
On Instagram and we will be back in your feed
at three pm tomorrow. Bye bye,
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