July 10, 2025 • 29 mins
Today on The Spill, The Wiggles have gone viral in New York after a surprise underground gig that delighted adult fans. We The Wiggles lore, the group's current mainplayers and the nostalgia connected with the iconic kids entertainers.
Plus, And Just Like That fans have uncovered a glaring plot hole that’s hard to ignore - so how did it make it through the writers’ room, and what other shows have made similar blunders in the past?
And finally, Katie Holmes has quietly re-entered the Tom Cruise chat by liking a very specific Instagram post. It might seem like nothing… but it's reignited the fascination with their deeply complicated history. Once again, we break down the lore.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm because you Luki and coming up on
the show today, Katie Holmes has been in the news.
(00:35):
I'm sure you've seen it with a rogue Instagram post.
There is so much this story. We've fact checked it,
and there's also a much darker story happening behind the
scenes that we're going to get into. Plus, one of
our very favorite TV shows, or at least my current
favorite TV show is in the headlines for a huge plothole.
We're going to get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But first, Laura, there has been a very very exciting
pop up in New York City of one of the
world's biggest bands.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Can you guess what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I just feel like I'm not gonna love the answer
to this.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's a wiggle.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Can I just say I'm not trying to shade you
or for grown ups adults who were there, but if
I was in New York for a pop up show,
that would not be my first choice of where I
would take myself for the night.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Honestly, it went off. So the Wiggles are on a
tour at the moment. They're in the US, and this
week they were in New York and they stopped at
Old Mates Pub, which is the Hamish andy pub that
they've just set up, and they basically did an impromptu
show at Old Mates and it was so funny. I've
(01:45):
been like deep diving into.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
All of these clips because fully.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Grown adults are going mental, Like people are singing along
to fruit salad, yummy, yummy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I think the Wiggles are so wildly successful that, like,
even though I'm not a huge Wiggles fan, I was
a bit too old for when they first came out,
And I also don't have kids, and none of my
nieces and nephews like super super into them. But there's
so many songs of theirs that a like permeated culture,
I guess. Also, the thing is like a lot of
those adults who are obsessed with the Wiggles and dance
to us, which like their original tunes, their old school stuff,
(02:33):
they're adults now, right, Like how long have they been around?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, They've been around since the probably early nineties. The
latest thing is it's kind of become a little bit
of this first Traps for adults because there's been all
these new Wiggles that have come in. The biggest thirst
trap is the new Purple Wiggles.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
John Pierce, who was in Justice Crew.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I have not seen this man? Is he hot?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He's gorgeous?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Is this so John Pierce has become kind of this
millennial first trap.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, on TikTok, I can see he's an objectively hot man.
He's a very hot man who can dance extra hot.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And then there's also the latest sort of viral out
break star from the Wiggles is the Tree of Wisdom.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Have you seen these clips?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay? So there is.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Funnily enough, it's like, if you want to talk about
nepo babies, the Wiggles is the biggest nepo.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Baby really in the world.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So Dominic Field, who is the Tree of Wisdom, is
actually Anthony Field, who's the original Blue Wiggle.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, that's his nephew.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So he plays the Tree of Wisdom and he just
basically goes absolutely ballistic doing this dance.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Is the Tree of Wisdom. I'm sure this is what
was gonna signed up for is the tree of was
like part of the Wiggles Shower is.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like a okay, so it's like one of the songs.
Oh but the murder.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Or play the cl No, don't play the clip keep
because a version in okay.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Okay, But anyway, I just wanted to bring it up
because it brought up so much nostalgia for me, and
the whole pub is going ballistic, fully grown adults singing
the Wiggles, and I feel like I would definitely if
I was in New York, would one hundred percent go
to a Wiggles adults only Wiggles concert.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, adults only is so important that is becoming a thing.
Like there are so many now like pubs and clubs
that do Disney sing along nights for adults who grew
up with Disney songs and that's their childhood, the same
way I'm sure the Wiggles songs are these Hipple's childhood,
and so you want to get out there and like
just scream at the top of your lungs while getting plasted,
which you couldn't do as a child, hopefully. But there's
(04:35):
also like a lot of people from I guess like
my childhood of transitioned to that as well. Like, I
don't know if if this was a big thing for you,
But Peter Kuhm was an Australian musician who was really
huge when I was a kid and kind of had
like a similar vibe to the Wiggles. Came way before
the Wiggles, and it was only a few years ago
that he started playing adults only shows and all the
kids who had grown up with him through the nineties
(04:56):
and like his songs were like the soundtrack to like
their preschool year one birthdays went and like all these
adults watched his shows. Well, I mean it's the same thing.
I think.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, I think nostalgia is such a huge thing for people.
But one of the things that I love about some.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Of the Wiggles law.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So Anthony Field, who is like the creative of the Wiggles,
the original Blue Wiggle. Yeah, so the reason that they
wear skivvys is because Anthony Field has a ton of tattoos,
so they wear the skivvies to cover up all the tattoos.
So John Pierce, who is the new Purple Wiggle, He's
got a bunch of tattoos too, which is why people
thirst over it because the costumes are not sexy. No,
but when thank god, but when they see them like
(05:32):
him shirtless or dancing, it's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I don't know if you see this when you go
to events, but like at all the big premieres and
events in Sydney, there's always a whole bunch of the
Wiggles there, like they are at everything. And sometimes they'll
do the red carpet in their like Wiggles outfits and
then they'll come back in like their you know, glam
attire and do like the red carpet again, or they
come into the party and stuff, and it's always so
weird looking across a room and seeing all these like
(05:58):
sexily dressed Wiggles people at an event, and I'm always
weirdly seated next to them. And I'm just going to say,
there's one in particular who makes out with their partner
a lot right next to me, but they're very cute together.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well that's it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
That's the night out.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The Wiggles is like a really it's weirdly incestuous, like
everyone's related to everyone, everyone's like married to someone in
the crew. Like it's a very seems like a very
like tight knit environment. Anyway, I wanted to bring it up.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Go and have a look at the TikTok videos of
this in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Would you go without your kids? Oh? My god, what's
your favorite Wiggles song?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's your I mean, Big Red Car is just a
class what a classic?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Bag?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Like classic, just a banger? Yeah, chugger, chugger.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I just imagine you're on the dance floor with a
drink in your hand, just being like Big.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Red Car, a big red girl, like you know, you
can't go past the classics like yeah, fruit salad, yummy, yummy,
Big Red Car just classic.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I love it. And again I think this is exactly
the content Auriston's tuned in for. Okay, and now we
must move on from sexy child entertainers to a very
important breaking news story that is dominating headlines across the
world as we speak. And that is a plot hole
that appeared in and just like that, so huge disclaimer
that I'm a big.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And just like that fan as am. I.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, I don't understand people who hate what Obviously, I
have critiques and I will bring them up when we
do a brilliant, honest review of this season, but overall,
I've watched every episode of each new season. I like
comfort watch throughout the week, so like a new episode
comes up, I watch it many times. So I do
want to say that I noticed this mistake immediately when
it aired recently, just because every plot of the New
(07:39):
Sex and the City spinoff series is burnt so deeply
into my brain. So season three of them, just like
that is airing right now. Episode six came out recently.
It was a very emotional episode because Lisa Todd Wexley,
played by the amazing Nicole Ari Parker, had a huge
storyline where her father, who she was very close to,
very sadly passed away. Her father had been in a
(08:01):
few episodes leading up to his death throughout season two,
and he was played by Billy D Williams, who is
a really iconic star, most notably known for star very sad,
very upsetting a beautiful storyline. However, if you're a fan
of a show, you would know that this is not
the first time that Lisa Todd Wesley's father has died,
(08:22):
because in season one, while when she was consoling Charlotte
about Bigg's death, she said this, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A mess I could barely keep it together in front
of the girls.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Just now.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I was the exact same way when I lost my
dad last year.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I could see my rings literally shaking on my hands
while I was trying to be so strong for them.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's hard, oh dear, devastating. However, then they brought his
character back, which people picked up at the time when
her father was introduced in season two and he came
to the big anniversary party that she and her husband
Herbert through. But then it was even more highlighted in
season six recently aired because the whole episode was dedicated
(09:00):
to his funeral, and we had this moment where Lisa
finds out about her father's death. My father died.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh my god, when this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He had a stroke A lawyer.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So they've essentially killed him twice.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, and look, I kind of I'm giving them the
benefit of doubt here because obviously season one they're kind
of finding their footing.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's not great.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's definitely a glaring plot hole, yes, and people were
not happy about it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, that's the thing. It's just season one was not
that long ago. But also, this is your world, your characters,
like you should remember a plot point like that, and
not that it was a huge plot point for Lisa
Todd Wexley, and not that it was a huge storyline,
but it was a big part of the introduction of
her character because this revelation that her father had died
and she had to sort of comfort her kids was
(09:55):
one of the first introductions we had to her character
in the early seasons, when we're still getting to know her,
we're still like establishing like her backstory, so you're looking
for all these little bits of information. It's one of
the first times we see this emotion between her and Charlotte,
and their relationship has become so big. So it was
just such a glaring error to then not only bring
her father back from the dead and have him be
(10:15):
part of the story and have him be a character
on screen, but then also kill him again and just
remind people of what had happened. So this blew up.
Some of their responses were really funny. People were just like,
you know, death doesn't exist, and then just like that
universe people liked to hell with it, bring back big
nothing matters anymore. I liked the chat JPT yeah and
being like these episodes written by CHATDPD so that was
(10:38):
all happening. And then the writing team of and Just
Like That were asked to comment, and they released a
statement to a few different publications, including The Hollywood Reporter
where I got this information, and they said, and I
don't know if this is better or worse. I actually
think it might have just been better to own it.
But instead of owning it, they said, when Lisa Todd
Wexley said in that first season that her father had died,
(10:59):
she was referring to her stepfather.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Also, they doubled down.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, They're like, no, no, no, we have not made
a mistake. She was talking about her stepfather that she
was very close with, and now she's talking about her
biology father and they had two different storylines. And to that,
I say, great, wonderful. But in the first season she
doesn't say my stepfather, and maybe she thought of him
as a father. But the thing is, we don't know
anything else about this woman's backstory. Yeah, I feel like
(11:25):
it hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I feel like they should have just owned it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I just been like, whoopsies, because this isn't the first
time that these sorts of mistakes have been made in
television and movies.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, it happens.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I mean, there are whole articles dedicated to the gaffes
in TV and movies. So probably one of the most
famous recent ones is the Starbucks coffee cup in Game
of Thrones that like people were livid about this. It
became like this whole mean thing, Like people were all
over it, and it's so funny because you think about
(11:59):
how much money goes into these productions.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You're like, you're forgetting a coffee cup.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, that was wild, And also like there were so
many little side stories around that. One is that it
happened in the final episodes of the final season and
that's when all eyes were on Game of Thrones, Like
it was a huge event television. Everyone was sitting down
the exact moment to watch every episode that it came out,
and so it just became this huge trending topic. It
was also a Starbucks coffee cup and very different to
(12:25):
the coffee cups they have on set, so someone in
particular like brought it in And it was so funny
because on the night it happened, all the casts were
doing press like in the days afterwards, and Sophie Turner said,
who plays Sansa, said that it was just like in
the group chat was going off, and Nikolai Costororan, who
plays Jamie Lanister, when in the group, he's like, great episode, guys, wonderful.
(12:47):
Everyone was great. What was that coffee cup? So like
the car saw it straightaway.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it's interesting because they did actually digitally remove it afterwards,
but it was too late. But it's too late, but
they kind of owned it. They thought it was funny.
Everyone was blaming whose coffee cup? It was another sort
of in similar vane in Downton Abbey in twenty fourteen,
there was a water bottle in the back of the
don't know this one, So so there's a water bottle
(13:16):
on the mantle in the back of the press shots.
Now everybody like was going off about it. This is
the right way to respond. After this big thing and
everyone going off about it, the cast and crew came
up with the idea of turning the attention towards the
issue of around water. So they went ahead and started
(13:37):
to raise money and awareness for Water AID, which is
an international.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Nice I was just saying, there's a step too far,
but it's actually really nice.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But like that's the way to like take make fun
of it, make some money for a charity. Another recent
one which isn't really a gaff, but it's something that
really bothered me Squid Game season three.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The baby, Oh what.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Happened to the baby?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
The baby is like so cgi AI. It really irritated me.
It like really took me out.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
That's a gaff though, that's just like bad tech. It's like,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It looks like a really AI baby.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah. I don't know if that's the same thing as
a mistake, because like the baby's meant to be just
I know, it's not a.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Gaff really, but it took me out of the story
and I was like, this baby looks like an AI baby.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
There is nothing more terrifying than an AI baby or
a fake baby in a TV or movie. It reminds
me of that horrific Riddeness May robot. Yeah they built
for the Twilight movies. Like that thing haunts my dreams.
If you haven't seen it, don't look at it late
at night. But also that Bradley Cooper movie American Sniper.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's what it reminds me.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, in that movie, even it wasn't seen it, it's
such a serious Oscar winning you know, movie that's meant
to be like critically acclaimed and they had a real
baby like that. Other thing is they always have twins
or triplets, so every baby you see on TV is
a twinter a triplet, so that they can easily swap
the babies in or out if they cry or get tied,
you've got to back up. But for American Sniper, for
(15:06):
some reason, I think they only had one baby, or
maybe the other baby was out for the day. Baby's
wearing a tantrum. Leave it's trailer. I don't know. And
so for this really pivotal scene with Bradley Cooper's character,
he's holding it's a doll and it looks like a doll.
It's a little plastic arm is sticking out.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I could have at least got in one of those
reborn dolls. Yeah, those like fake babs.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Really lifelike or just had its face hid and just
like hold a bundle of blankets or something like that.
Man's got huge arms.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
He could have it so obvious you can see the
steal from it, and it looks like a plastic back.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You would have a look you will scream laugh Anyway,
what a time, I must say, Like I know, I know,
I was going really hard and just like that then.
But I have to say I obviously still love the show.
I watch it multiple times a week. I'm very excited
for the new episode. I save them if I can
for Saturday morning, and I watch it by myself with
my coffee, with my candles lit as like my reset
from the week.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's okay, we're not judging you. We are allowed to
be critical of things, and still like, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Exactly, I don't like literally my whole personality.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I adure friends. But you know, there's like a lot
of continuity.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Errors in that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Like in the pilot, when Rachel comes in to meet everyone,
she introduces herself like she gets introduced to Chandler, but
then later the story is that they've made the've actually
met multiple times at Thanksgiving. So like there's a lot
of glaring continuity errors in these things. But I think
we just have to be like suspend our disbelief for
(16:26):
just a second and ignore it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And you know, maybe he'll die a third time.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I would actually love that if next season he dies again.
I know that I know Michael Patrick King won't do it,
but like, dude, lean into the humor, come on now.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Enjoy it. Just lean into it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Okay, moving on to the other thing that's got me
riled up this week. This podcast is just at the moment,
just like sexy men, children, entertainers you're obsessed with, and
people who I'm angry at, and specifically this week, I'm
very invested in this whole Katie Holmes Tom Cruise story
being resurfaced.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
This story is the ultimate in holy shit, I've accidentally
liked my ex boyfriend's post from five years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yes, very much that energy. So you might have seen
all the headlines that Katie Homes Homes has endorsed Tom
Cruise's new love affairs. She's being supportive. That's not exactly
the case. So what has happened is that Katie Holmes,
who over twenty years ago now was married to Tom Cruise.
They had a very public love affair when they first
got together. Obviously, everyone remembers the infamous him like jumping
(17:30):
on Oprah's couch to declare his love to her. My
favorite part of that story that I know I've sien
on the pod before is that after that clip happened,
if you watch the behind the scenes package, he and
a camera crew chased Katie Holmes through the backstage area, Yeah,
trying to pull her on stage and she's going, no, no,
I don't want you, and she's running and then Tom
Cruise like pulls her in front of the audience and
like kisses her and she is kind of into it.
(17:51):
But I don't know. It's very telling knowing what happened afterwards.
So anyway, they walked around carpets together. It was really beautiful.
They welcome to daughter, Suri Cruz. They had this huge, big.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Fancy baby in the world.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, right, I remember how there was that whole thing
that she didn't exist and she was a fake baby,
fake babies everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
No, there was this whole thing between It was like
Suri and Shylah born around the same time. Yeah, and
there was this whole like cute baby off between the.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Two of your Yes, yes, look they're both very cute,
I'm sure, but yes, Tom and Caye didn't show sorry
for a while and everyone was like, she other doesn't exis,
so there's something wrong with her. And they did a
Vanity Fair cover. Then when her little face is poking
out of his jacket like, Suri, that's our girl. And
again weird when we get into conspiracy theories, about babies,
so that all happened. Their marriage ended after five years
(18:34):
of marriage, I believe, and that's when a lot of
the stories about what had happened behind the scenes started
coming out, and those stories have continued for the last
two decades. So Katie Holmes has really not mentioned Tom
Cruise in any way. He never mentions her impress anything
like that. So this is the first time that we've
seen her kind of have any interaction with his publicity.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Also, there's been a lot of like Suri basically doesn't
see him anymore. Yes, like has been really estranged from
her father. We know the whole sort of law behind scientology.
It's been pretty like contentious between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh yeah, to the point now where Suri Cruz, at
least as far as we know publicly. Again, she's at
college now, which is wild because I feel like she's
still a child. She's at college now and she was
involved in some college things, and I do feel bad
for her that she has no privacy because of who
her parents are. Some college papers I think, like a
program came out with her name in it, and also
from her high school that she now goes by Suri
(19:31):
Noel not Suri Cruz. Noel is Katie Holmes's middle name,
so it's kind of like completely erasing her father from
her life and just going by her mother's name. But
what's happened this week is that there are screenshots circulating.
It appears, from what I've seen from the screenshot and
People Magazine have gone and confirmed this that it is
Katie Holmes's official Instagram account that back in May liked.
(19:55):
That's the thing too, not recently. So this happened back
in May, allegedly from the reports and the investigation that
I've personally conducted that back in May, Katie Holmes liked
an Instagram post that the first slide of it is
Tom Cruise and Anadamas RelA relationship confirmed.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But when we go back to that post, it's not
there anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
No, no, no, she has taken off. It's unclear when
she liked it or unliked it, And obviously she has
not comment on this, and I'm pretty safe to say
she absolutely never will. So we don't know if it
was a mistake, but I'm pretty safe to say it's
a mistake. But what I'm assuming is happening is that
she was scrolling through her insta feed, as we all do.
Maybe it was late at night, I don't know, and
(20:35):
she saw the face of this man who allegedly traumatized
her for many years and still does in a confirmed
relationship with this new actress. And while she was looking
at it, she might have accidentally liked it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But it also could have been like her publicist or assistant.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
In her account. Yeah, maybe I'm Actually.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
There's a lot of celebrities who don't run their own account.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Oh no, I think that's probably safe to say that
she has people posting to her account because she doesn't
post a lot of stuff. It's funny though, because she
posts very like in a non celebrity way, Like sometimes
these glossy like stills from her business we posted, and
sometimes it'll be like a blurry shot of something in
her kitchen, or it'll be like she's like being on
stage and Broadway, but she's also like a big theater goer,
(21:15):
so she'll post like a blurry shot of like a
playbill or something like that, and I'm like, that's Katie
Holmes posting, yeah, in those moments, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But that is it.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Just it's such a funny thing because we're speculating that
she's basically been scrolling and accidentally liked it and then gone.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah shit, or she could do that. Someone has got
a screenshot and even though the post is from May.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's only now surfacing.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well, here's the thing. It's unclear in the timeline of
whether the post is from May. But it's unclear whether
she liked it or someone from her team liked it
in May and the screenshot has come at now, or
it was an old post that somehow resurface in their
feet and the like is recent, it's gone now. No
one's commenting on it, but it has kind of brought
up this whole big story around Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes,
(21:58):
and I just want to go into limon say, I
feel like she's absolutely not endorsing any new relationship unless
she's like, yes, to get that man away from me,
Like the more his attention is on someone else, the
more he'll kind of like leave me and my daughter.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I mean, it's very clear from all of his ex's
they will not speak out about their relationship because there's
been like NDA signed, but also they just want to
get out, Like you know, Nicole Kidman does not talk
about Tom Cruise. Yeah, Katie Holmes does not talk about him.
All we get is like people around them talking about it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, exactly, except for Cher who dated him when he
was nearly famous and said he's great in bed and
I was like, that's great to know. But I feel
like she hasn't signed an NDA for that, so she's fine.
Also on the Tom Cruise and Anna Diamas saying obviously
that's been circulating since last year, neither of them have
confirmed any relationship when they've been asked about it. They've
both kind of really brushed over it and lasted off
(22:52):
and they're working on some projects together, is what Anna
Damas and her team say. Tom Cruise is like, she's
a great actress and the only time they're photographed is
constantly getting on and off private planes together. So make
of that what you will.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, I don't know about that. It's so weird. We
don't see them like on the street. They're just getting
on planes.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which is I mean, look, I feel
like for Anadamas, I'm like, girl, get out of there.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I just feel like, even though we've spoken about
Tom before, we both loved interviewing him. Knowing what we
know about that yeah, environment I think I'd be very
hesitant to be involved.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Oh, one hundred percent. That's the thing about Tom Cruise
that I know we've bloys said before is like, yeah,
very charismatic, lovely to meet, an event, lovely to interview,
but his public persona is so switched on. It's almost
like if AI had to make like the perfect public
facing movie star, you would create Tom Cruise, someone who
just like gets down a red carpet, can really compel
(23:51):
a room, who is so great in interviews, so good
on screen. It's just all the background stuff that gets
washed over a little bit because the whole backstory between
Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, I think is from what
we know, so much darker than has ever been led on.
And there were so many allegations at the time, and
again Katie Holmes has never really spoken about this. Everyone's
with the belief that she can't legally speak about it.
(24:13):
I would say, yeah, I would one hundred percent say that.
But there's a lot of allegations that Tom Cruise was
very controlling and very manipulative during their relationship, not just
because of the age gap between them or the fact
that he's such a bigger star than her, and has
been in the industry longer than her. But there's so
many allegations about his ties with the Church of Scientology, yes, exactly,
(24:37):
and the way that they operate. There are all these,
again allegations that part of the Church of Scientology, at
least the part that people allege that Tom Cruise in
the Hollywood set are involved in, that it's that auditing
thing where they get you to tell all your deepest,
darkest secrets again allegedly.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen the Lea Remedy documentary.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Oh, yes, I have.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, so, I mean, obviously Lea Remedy and Scientology not friends.
But yeah, I've watched a lot of these Scientology documentaries
going clear the Luis Tharroux one again allegedly. It's very
difficult to sort of skirt around all of the people
that have spoken out against the church. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean it is very complex. Yeah, and it's really
(25:19):
hard because when I met Tom Cruise, I had that
all in the back of my mind, but he was
so charismatic, he was so kind, he was one of
the nicest celebrities I've ever met. Yeah, so it's really
hard to distance those two things, and.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
It's gotten hard. I mean, I don't know when you
last interviewed him. I mean again, I saw him, like,
I didn't interview him, but I was at an event
with him only last year or the year before or
I don't know what is time anyway, but it was
many years I got to that interviewed him. I don't
know how I'd feel about doing that now, just because
I feel like the more I've kind of delved into it,
it is yeah, kind of like not a great situation.
But the allegation was that Katie Holmes has kind of
(25:53):
been held in this relationship because of information they had
over her, the thought that they could allegedly again cut
off her contact with Surrey, and there's all these stories
that like her dad came in and helped her escape,
and that she had to sort of just like take
her daughter and leave, and they had to have this
whole Eagles situation set up and she had to sign
all these documents she'd be able to be like free
(26:14):
of Tom Cruise. And one of the stipulations was that
she had to wait a certain number of years after
their divorce to ever been seen publicly with another partner,
which is why it took over ten years from her
divorce pretty much that she could be photographed with her
then partner Jamie Fox, even though they've been together for
such a long time, and there were photographed like to
(26:34):
the day, those photos of them walking along the beach
were like literally the day that it's been speculated that
that part of the contract lifted.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, but I mean it's pretty safe to say that
she did not endorse this relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Oh no, no, no. And I feel like, pretty much
the worst thing that Tom Cruise has done to Katie Holmes,
aside from the fact of all the manipulation and the
potential psychological abuse and things that people say happen behind
the screens, is robbing her of her own public story,
robbing her of the ability to like be properly in
(27:08):
a relationship and all, so just robbing her of this
thing of having her daughter be like pulled into this
turmoil that all celebrity kids e in that but I
think that she's been pulled into it a lot more.
And what I also thought, kind of coming back to
Lea Remedie, who again is a really well known Hollywood
actress mostly from a lot of TV work, was best
friends with Jennifer Lopez for a really long time. They
(27:30):
had a little breakup when she got together with Ben Athlete,
but they're back together now, which I love. As a
side note, but when it was in the news that
Leah Remedie was doing this big tell all, Katie Holmes,
who never comments on anything to do with Tom Cruise,
never comments on scientology, never comments on anything. She's so private,
put out a public statement that said, I apologize to
(27:50):
Lea Remedie for things that have happened in the past.
I am so sorry. And the reason she did that,
what people think and what I think is that she
was so aware that Leah Remedie knew so many things
that had happened when she was involved in the church
with Tom Cruise, everything that had happened, and she's escaped it,
but she just wanted to publicly say I know, Oh
that was bad, I'm so sorry. Yeah, And I just thought, wow,
(28:13):
that is so telling.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's so telling. I mean, I get really obsessed with
those domos.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But yeah, I think it's very safe to say that
Katie did not like this post.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's now gone from the internet.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yea, So we'll just have to wait to see if
she's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Make a comment.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Oh so she's not gonna make a comment. And I
hate this for her that her name has been pulled
back into this whole situation when she's just like living
her life in New York, acting, doing amazing things, sus
at college. Like this whole thing has been lown up again.
It's been twenty years, but that's what I mean. She
can't escape him no matter what she does. But yeah,
hopefully this blows over and fat Man doesn't come back
into her life again. Agreed. Well, thank you so much
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura
Brodney and I'm because you Luki and coming up on
the show today, Katie Holmes has been in the news.
(00:35):
I'm sure you've seen it with a rogue Instagram post.
There is so much this story. We've fact checked it,
and there's also a much darker story happening behind the
scenes that we're going to get into. Plus, one of
our very favorite TV shows, or at least my current
favorite TV show is in the headlines for a huge plothole.
We're going to get into that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But first, Laura, there has been a very very exciting
pop up in New York City of one of the
world's biggest bands.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Can you guess what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I just feel like I'm not gonna love the answer
to this.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's a wiggle.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Can I just say I'm not trying to shade you
or for grown ups adults who were there, but if
I was in New York for a pop up show,
that would not be my first choice of where I
would take myself for the night.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Honestly, it went off. So the Wiggles are on a
tour at the moment. They're in the US, and this
week they were in New York and they stopped at
Old Mates Pub, which is the Hamish andy pub that
they've just set up, and they basically did an impromptu
show at Old Mates and it was so funny. I've
(01:45):
been like deep diving into.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
All of these clips because fully.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Grown adults are going mental, Like people are singing along
to fruit salad, yummy, yummy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I think the Wiggles are so wildly successful that, like,
even though I'm not a huge Wiggles fan, I was
a bit too old for when they first came out,
And I also don't have kids, and none of my
nieces and nephews like super super into them. But there's
so many songs of theirs that a like permeated culture,
I guess. Also, the thing is like a lot of
those adults who are obsessed with the Wiggles and dance
to us, which like their original tunes, their old school stuff,
(02:33):
they're adults now, right, Like how long have they been around?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, They've been around since the probably early nineties. The
latest thing is it's kind of become a little bit
of this first Traps for adults because there's been all
these new Wiggles that have come in. The biggest thirst
trap is the new Purple Wiggles.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
John Pierce, who was in Justice Crew.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I have not seen this man? Is he hot?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He's gorgeous?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Is this so John Pierce has become kind of this
millennial first trap.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, on TikTok, I can see he's an objectively hot man.
He's a very hot man who can dance extra hot.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And then there's also the latest sort of viral out
break star from the Wiggles is the Tree of Wisdom.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Have you seen these clips?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay? So there is.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Funnily enough, it's like, if you want to talk about
nepo babies, the Wiggles is the biggest nepo.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Baby really in the world.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So Dominic Field, who is the Tree of Wisdom, is
actually Anthony Field, who's the original Blue Wiggle.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, that's his nephew.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So he plays the Tree of Wisdom and he just
basically goes absolutely ballistic doing this dance.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Is the Tree of Wisdom. I'm sure this is what
was gonna signed up for is the tree of was
like part of the Wiggles Shower is.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like a okay, so it's like one of the songs.
Oh but the murder.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Or play the cl No, don't play the clip keep
because a version in okay.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Okay, But anyway, I just wanted to bring it up
because it brought up so much nostalgia for me, and
the whole pub is going ballistic, fully grown adults singing
the Wiggles, and I feel like I would definitely if
I was in New York, would one hundred percent go
to a Wiggles adults only Wiggles concert.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, adults only is so important that is becoming a thing.
Like there are so many now like pubs and clubs
that do Disney sing along nights for adults who grew
up with Disney songs and that's their childhood, the same
way I'm sure the Wiggles songs are these Hipple's childhood,
and so you want to get out there and like
just scream at the top of your lungs while getting plasted,
which you couldn't do as a child, hopefully. But there's
(04:35):
also like a lot of people from I guess like
my childhood of transitioned to that as well. Like, I
don't know if if this was a big thing for you,
But Peter Kuhm was an Australian musician who was really
huge when I was a kid and kind of had
like a similar vibe to the Wiggles. Came way before
the Wiggles, and it was only a few years ago
that he started playing adults only shows and all the
kids who had grown up with him through the nineties
(04:56):
and like his songs were like the soundtrack to like
their preschool year one birthdays went and like all these
adults watched his shows. Well, I mean it's the same thing.
I think.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, I think nostalgia is such a huge thing for people.
But one of the things that I love about some.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Of the Wiggles law.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So Anthony Field, who is like the creative of the Wiggles,
the original Blue Wiggle. Yeah, so the reason that they
wear skivvys is because Anthony Field has a ton of tattoos,
so they wear the skivvies to cover up all the tattoos.
So John Pierce, who is the new Purple Wiggle, He's
got a bunch of tattoos too, which is why people
thirst over it because the costumes are not sexy. No,
but when thank god, but when they see them like
(05:32):
him shirtless or dancing, it's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I don't know if you see this when you go
to events, but like at all the big premieres and
events in Sydney, there's always a whole bunch of the
Wiggles there, like they are at everything. And sometimes they'll
do the red carpet in their like Wiggles outfits and
then they'll come back in like their you know, glam
attire and do like the red carpet again, or they
come into the party and stuff, and it's always so
weird looking across a room and seeing all these like
(05:58):
sexily dressed Wiggles people at an event, and I'm always
weirdly seated next to them. And I'm just going to say,
there's one in particular who makes out with their partner
a lot right next to me, but they're very cute together.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well that's it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
That's the night out.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The Wiggles is like a really it's weirdly incestuous, like
everyone's related to everyone, everyone's like married to someone in
the crew. Like it's a very seems like a very
like tight knit environment. Anyway, I wanted to bring it up.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Go and have a look at the TikTok videos of
this in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Would you go without your kids? Oh? My god, what's
your favorite Wiggles song?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's your I mean, Big Red Car is just a
class what a classic?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Bag?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Like classic, just a banger? Yeah, chugger, chugger.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I just imagine you're on the dance floor with a
drink in your hand, just being like Big.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Red Car, a big red girl, like you know, you
can't go past the classics like yeah, fruit salad, yummy, yummy,
Big Red Car just classic.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I love it. And again I think this is exactly
the content Auriston's tuned in for. Okay, and now we
must move on from sexy child entertainers to a very
important breaking news story that is dominating headlines across the
world as we speak. And that is a plot hole
that appeared in and just like that, so huge disclaimer
that I'm a big.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And just like that fan as am. I.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, I don't understand people who hate what Obviously, I
have critiques and I will bring them up when we
do a brilliant, honest review of this season, but overall,
I've watched every episode of each new season. I like
comfort watch throughout the week, so like a new episode
comes up, I watch it many times. So I do
want to say that I noticed this mistake immediately when
it aired recently, just because every plot of the New
(07:39):
Sex and the City spinoff series is burnt so deeply
into my brain. So season three of them, just like
that is airing right now. Episode six came out recently.
It was a very emotional episode because Lisa Todd Wexley,
played by the amazing Nicole Ari Parker, had a huge
storyline where her father, who she was very close to,
very sadly passed away. Her father had been in a
(08:01):
few episodes leading up to his death throughout season two,
and he was played by Billy D Williams, who is
a really iconic star, most notably known for star very sad,
very upsetting a beautiful storyline. However, if you're a fan
of a show, you would know that this is not
the first time that Lisa Todd Wesley's father has died,
(08:22):
because in season one, while when she was consoling Charlotte
about Bigg's death, she said this, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A mess I could barely keep it together in front
of the girls.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Just now.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I was the exact same way when I lost my
dad last year.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I could see my rings literally shaking on my hands
while I was trying to be so strong for them.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's hard, oh dear, devastating. However, then they brought his
character back, which people picked up at the time when
her father was introduced in season two and he came
to the big anniversary party that she and her husband
Herbert through. But then it was even more highlighted in
season six recently aired because the whole episode was dedicated
(09:00):
to his funeral, and we had this moment where Lisa
finds out about her father's death. My father died.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh my god, when this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He had a stroke A lawyer.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So they've essentially killed him twice.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, and look, I kind of I'm giving them the
benefit of doubt here because obviously season one they're kind
of finding their footing.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's not great.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's definitely a glaring plot hole, yes, and people were
not happy about it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, that's the thing. It's just season one was not
that long ago. But also, this is your world, your characters,
like you should remember a plot point like that, and
not that it was a huge plot point for Lisa
Todd Wexley, and not that it was a huge storyline,
but it was a big part of the introduction of
her character because this revelation that her father had died
and she had to sort of comfort her kids was
(09:55):
one of the first introductions we had to her character
in the early seasons, when we're still getting to know her,
we're still like establishing like her backstory, so you're looking
for all these little bits of information. It's one of
the first times we see this emotion between her and Charlotte,
and their relationship has become so big. So it was
just such a glaring error to then not only bring
her father back from the dead and have him be
(10:15):
part of the story and have him be a character
on screen, but then also kill him again and just
remind people of what had happened. So this blew up.
Some of their responses were really funny. People were just like,
you know, death doesn't exist, and then just like that
universe people liked to hell with it, bring back big
nothing matters anymore. I liked the chat JPT yeah and
being like these episodes written by CHATDPD so that was
(10:38):
all happening. And then the writing team of and Just
Like That were asked to comment, and they released a
statement to a few different publications, including The Hollywood Reporter
where I got this information, and they said, and I
don't know if this is better or worse. I actually
think it might have just been better to own it.
But instead of owning it, they said, when Lisa Todd
Wexley said in that first season that her father had died,
(10:59):
she was referring to her stepfather.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Also, they doubled down.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, They're like, no, no, no, we have not made
a mistake. She was talking about her stepfather that she
was very close with, and now she's talking about her
biology father and they had two different storylines. And to that,
I say, great, wonderful. But in the first season she
doesn't say my stepfather, and maybe she thought of him
as a father. But the thing is, we don't know
anything else about this woman's backstory. Yeah, I feel like
(11:25):
it hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I feel like they should have just owned it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I just been like, whoopsies, because this isn't the first
time that these sorts of mistakes have been made in
television and movies.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, it happens.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I mean, there are whole articles dedicated to the gaffes
in TV and movies. So probably one of the most
famous recent ones is the Starbucks coffee cup in Game
of Thrones that like people were livid about this. It
became like this whole mean thing, Like people were all
over it, and it's so funny because you think about
(11:59):
how much money goes into these productions.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You're like, you're forgetting a coffee cup.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, that was wild, And also like there were so
many little side stories around that. One is that it
happened in the final episodes of the final season and
that's when all eyes were on Game of Thrones, Like
it was a huge event television. Everyone was sitting down
the exact moment to watch every episode that it came out,
and so it just became this huge trending topic. It
was also a Starbucks coffee cup and very different to
(12:25):
the coffee cups they have on set, so someone in
particular like brought it in And it was so funny
because on the night it happened, all the casts were
doing press like in the days afterwards, and Sophie Turner said,
who plays Sansa, said that it was just like in
the group chat was going off, and Nikolai Costororan, who
plays Jamie Lanister, when in the group, he's like, great episode, guys, wonderful.
(12:47):
Everyone was great. What was that coffee cup? So like
the car saw it straightaway.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it's interesting because they did actually digitally remove it afterwards,
but it was too late. But it's too late, but
they kind of owned it. They thought it was funny.
Everyone was blaming whose coffee cup? It was another sort
of in similar vane in Downton Abbey in twenty fourteen,
there was a water bottle in the back of the
don't know this one, So so there's a water bottle
(13:16):
on the mantle in the back of the press shots.
Now everybody like was going off about it. This is
the right way to respond. After this big thing and
everyone going off about it, the cast and crew came
up with the idea of turning the attention towards the
issue of around water. So they went ahead and started
(13:37):
to raise money and awareness for Water AID, which is
an international.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Nice I was just saying, there's a step too far,
but it's actually really nice.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But like that's the way to like take make fun
of it, make some money for a charity. Another recent
one which isn't really a gaff, but it's something that
really bothered me Squid Game season three.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The baby, Oh what.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Happened to the baby?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
The baby is like so cgi AI. It really irritated me.
It like really took me out.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
That's a gaff though, that's just like bad tech. It's like,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It looks like a really AI baby.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah. I don't know if that's the same thing as
a mistake, because like the baby's meant to be just
I know, it's not a.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Gaff really, but it took me out of the story
and I was like, this baby looks like an AI baby.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
There is nothing more terrifying than an AI baby or
a fake baby in a TV or movie. It reminds
me of that horrific Riddeness May robot. Yeah they built
for the Twilight movies. Like that thing haunts my dreams.
If you haven't seen it, don't look at it late
at night. But also that Bradley Cooper movie American Sniper.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's what it reminds me.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, in that movie, even it wasn't seen it, it's
such a serious Oscar winning you know, movie that's meant
to be like critically acclaimed and they had a real
baby like that. Other thing is they always have twins
or triplets, so every baby you see on TV is
a twinter a triplet, so that they can easily swap
the babies in or out if they cry or get tied,
you've got to back up. But for American Sniper, for
(15:06):
some reason, I think they only had one baby, or
maybe the other baby was out for the day. Baby's
wearing a tantrum. Leave it's trailer. I don't know. And
so for this really pivotal scene with Bradley Cooper's character,
he's holding it's a doll and it looks like a doll.
It's a little plastic arm is sticking out.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I could have at least got in one of those
reborn dolls. Yeah, those like fake babs.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Really lifelike or just had its face hid and just
like hold a bundle of blankets or something like that.
Man's got huge arms.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
He could have it so obvious you can see the
steal from it, and it looks like a plastic back.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You would have a look you will scream laugh Anyway,
what a time, I must say, Like I know, I know,
I was going really hard and just like that then.
But I have to say I obviously still love the show.
I watch it multiple times a week. I'm very excited
for the new episode. I save them if I can
for Saturday morning, and I watch it by myself with
my coffee, with my candles lit as like my reset
from the week.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's okay, we're not judging you. We are allowed to
be critical of things, and still like, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Exactly, I don't like literally my whole personality.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I adure friends. But you know, there's like a lot
of continuity.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Errors in that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Like in the pilot, when Rachel comes in to meet everyone,
she introduces herself like she gets introduced to Chandler, but
then later the story is that they've made the've actually
met multiple times at Thanksgiving. So like there's a lot
of glaring continuity errors in these things. But I think
we just have to be like suspend our disbelief for
(16:26):
just a second and ignore it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And you know, maybe he'll die a third time.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I would actually love that if next season he dies again.
I know that I know Michael Patrick King won't do it,
but like, dude, lean into the humor, come on now.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Enjoy it. Just lean into it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Okay, moving on to the other thing that's got me
riled up this week. This podcast is just at the moment,
just like sexy men, children, entertainers you're obsessed with, and
people who I'm angry at, and specifically this week, I'm
very invested in this whole Katie Holmes Tom Cruise story
being resurfaced.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
This story is the ultimate in holy shit, I've accidentally
liked my ex boyfriend's post from five years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yes, very much that energy. So you might have seen
all the headlines that Katie Homes Homes has endorsed Tom
Cruise's new love affairs. She's being supportive. That's not exactly
the case. So what has happened is that Katie Holmes,
who over twenty years ago now was married to Tom Cruise.
They had a very public love affair when they first
got together. Obviously, everyone remembers the infamous him like jumping
(17:30):
on Oprah's couch to declare his love to her. My
favorite part of that story that I know I've sien
on the pod before is that after that clip happened,
if you watch the behind the scenes package, he and
a camera crew chased Katie Holmes through the backstage area, Yeah,
trying to pull her on stage and she's going, no, no,
I don't want you, and she's running and then Tom
Cruise like pulls her in front of the audience and
like kisses her and she is kind of into it.
(17:51):
But I don't know. It's very telling knowing what happened afterwards.
So anyway, they walked around carpets together. It was really beautiful.
They welcome to daughter, Suri Cruz. They had this huge, big.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Fancy baby in the world.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, right, I remember how there was that whole thing
that she didn't exist and she was a fake baby,
fake babies everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
No, there was this whole thing between It was like
Suri and Shylah born around the same time. Yeah, and
there was this whole like cute baby off between the.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Two of your Yes, yes, look they're both very cute,
I'm sure, but yes, Tom and Caye didn't show sorry
for a while and everyone was like, she other doesn't exis,
so there's something wrong with her. And they did a
Vanity Fair cover. Then when her little face is poking
out of his jacket like, Suri, that's our girl. And
again weird when we get into conspiracy theories, about babies,
so that all happened. Their marriage ended after five years
(18:34):
of marriage, I believe, and that's when a lot of
the stories about what had happened behind the scenes started
coming out, and those stories have continued for the last
two decades. So Katie Holmes has really not mentioned Tom
Cruise in any way. He never mentions her impress anything
like that. So this is the first time that we've
seen her kind of have any interaction with his publicity.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Also, there's been a lot of like Suri basically doesn't
see him anymore. Yes, like has been really estranged from
her father. We know the whole sort of law behind scientology.
It's been pretty like contentious between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh yeah, to the point now where Suri Cruz, at
least as far as we know publicly. Again, she's at
college now, which is wild because I feel like she's
still a child. She's at college now and she was
involved in some college things, and I do feel bad
for her that she has no privacy because of who
her parents are. Some college papers I think, like a
program came out with her name in it, and also
from her high school that she now goes by Suri
(19:31):
Noel not Suri Cruz. Noel is Katie Holmes's middle name,
so it's kind of like completely erasing her father from
her life and just going by her mother's name. But
what's happened this week is that there are screenshots circulating.
It appears, from what I've seen from the screenshot and
People Magazine have gone and confirmed this that it is
Katie Holmes's official Instagram account that back in May liked.
(19:55):
That's the thing too, not recently. So this happened back
in May, allegedly from the reports and the investigation that
I've personally conducted that back in May, Katie Holmes liked
an Instagram post that the first slide of it is
Tom Cruise and Anadamas RelA relationship confirmed.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But when we go back to that post, it's not
there anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
No, no, no, she has taken off. It's unclear when
she liked it or unliked it, And obviously she has
not comment on this, and I'm pretty safe to say
she absolutely never will. So we don't know if it
was a mistake, but I'm pretty safe to say it's
a mistake. But what I'm assuming is happening is that
she was scrolling through her insta feed, as we all do.
Maybe it was late at night, I don't know, and
(20:35):
she saw the face of this man who allegedly traumatized
her for many years and still does in a confirmed
relationship with this new actress. And while she was looking
at it, she might have accidentally liked it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But it also could have been like her publicist or assistant.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
In her account. Yeah, maybe I'm Actually.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
There's a lot of celebrities who don't run their own account.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Oh no, I think that's probably safe to say that
she has people posting to her account because she doesn't
post a lot of stuff. It's funny though, because she
posts very like in a non celebrity way, Like sometimes
these glossy like stills from her business we posted, and
sometimes it'll be like a blurry shot of something in
her kitchen, or it'll be like she's like being on
stage and Broadway, but she's also like a big theater goer,
(21:15):
so she'll post like a blurry shot of like a
playbill or something like that, and I'm like, that's Katie
Holmes posting, yeah, in those moments, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But that is it.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Just it's such a funny thing because we're speculating that
she's basically been scrolling and accidentally liked it and then gone.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah shit, or she could do that. Someone has got
a screenshot and even though the post is from May.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's only now surfacing.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well, here's the thing. It's unclear in the timeline of
whether the post is from May. But it's unclear whether
she liked it or someone from her team liked it
in May and the screenshot has come at now, or
it was an old post that somehow resurface in their
feet and the like is recent, it's gone now. No
one's commenting on it, but it has kind of brought
up this whole big story around Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes,
(21:58):
and I just want to go into limon say, I
feel like she's absolutely not endorsing any new relationship unless
she's like, yes, to get that man away from me,
Like the more his attention is on someone else, the
more he'll kind of like leave me and my daughter.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I mean, it's very clear from all of his ex's
they will not speak out about their relationship because there's
been like NDA signed, but also they just want to
get out, Like you know, Nicole Kidman does not talk
about Tom Cruise. Yeah, Katie Holmes does not talk about him.
All we get is like people around them talking about it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, exactly, except for Cher who dated him when he
was nearly famous and said he's great in bed and
I was like, that's great to know. But I feel
like she hasn't signed an NDA for that, so she's fine.
Also on the Tom Cruise and Anna Diamas saying obviously
that's been circulating since last year, neither of them have
confirmed any relationship when they've been asked about it. They've
both kind of really brushed over it and lasted off
(22:52):
and they're working on some projects together, is what Anna
Damas and her team say. Tom Cruise is like, she's
a great actress and the only time they're photographed is
constantly getting on and off private planes together. So make
of that what you will.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, I don't know about that. It's so weird. We
don't see them like on the street. They're just getting
on planes.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which is I mean, look, I feel
like for Anadamas, I'm like, girl, get out of there.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I just feel like, even though we've spoken about
Tom before, we both loved interviewing him. Knowing what we
know about that yeah, environment I think I'd be very
hesitant to be involved.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Oh, one hundred percent. That's the thing about Tom Cruise
that I know we've bloys said before is like, yeah,
very charismatic, lovely to meet, an event, lovely to interview,
but his public persona is so switched on. It's almost
like if AI had to make like the perfect public
facing movie star, you would create Tom Cruise, someone who
just like gets down a red carpet, can really compel
(23:51):
a room, who is so great in interviews, so good
on screen. It's just all the background stuff that gets
washed over a little bit because the whole backstory between
Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, I think is from what
we know, so much darker than has ever been led on.
And there were so many allegations at the time, and
again Katie Holmes has never really spoken about this. Everyone's
with the belief that she can't legally speak about it.
(24:13):
I would say, yeah, I would one hundred percent say that.
But there's a lot of allegations that Tom Cruise was
very controlling and very manipulative during their relationship, not just
because of the age gap between them or the fact
that he's such a bigger star than her, and has
been in the industry longer than her. But there's so
many allegations about his ties with the Church of Scientology, yes, exactly,
(24:37):
and the way that they operate. There are all these,
again allegations that part of the Church of Scientology, at
least the part that people allege that Tom Cruise in
the Hollywood set are involved in, that it's that auditing
thing where they get you to tell all your deepest,
darkest secrets again allegedly.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen the Lea Remedy documentary.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Oh, yes, I have.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, so, I mean, obviously Lea Remedy and Scientology not friends.
But yeah, I've watched a lot of these Scientology documentaries
going clear the Luis Tharroux one again allegedly. It's very
difficult to sort of skirt around all of the people
that have spoken out against the church. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean it is very complex. Yeah, and it's really
(25:19):
hard because when I met Tom Cruise, I had that
all in the back of my mind, but he was
so charismatic, he was so kind, he was one of
the nicest celebrities I've ever met. Yeah, so it's really
hard to distance those two things, and.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
It's gotten hard. I mean, I don't know when you
last interviewed him. I mean again, I saw him, like,
I didn't interview him, but I was at an event
with him only last year or the year before or
I don't know what is time anyway, but it was
many years I got to that interviewed him. I don't
know how I'd feel about doing that now, just because
I feel like the more I've kind of delved into it,
it is yeah, kind of like not a great situation.
But the allegation was that Katie Holmes has kind of
(25:53):
been held in this relationship because of information they had
over her, the thought that they could allegedly again cut
off her contact with Surrey, and there's all these stories
that like her dad came in and helped her escape,
and that she had to sort of just like take
her daughter and leave, and they had to have this
whole Eagles situation set up and she had to sign
all these documents she'd be able to be like free
(26:14):
of Tom Cruise. And one of the stipulations was that
she had to wait a certain number of years after
their divorce to ever been seen publicly with another partner,
which is why it took over ten years from her
divorce pretty much that she could be photographed with her
then partner Jamie Fox, even though they've been together for
such a long time, and there were photographed like to
(26:34):
the day, those photos of them walking along the beach
were like literally the day that it's been speculated that
that part of the contract lifted.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, but I mean it's pretty safe to say that
she did not endorse this relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Oh no, no, no. And I feel like, pretty much
the worst thing that Tom Cruise has done to Katie Holmes,
aside from the fact of all the manipulation and the
potential psychological abuse and things that people say happen behind
the screens, is robbing her of her own public story,
robbing her of the ability to like be properly in
(27:08):
a relationship and all, so just robbing her of this
thing of having her daughter be like pulled into this
turmoil that all celebrity kids e in that but I
think that she's been pulled into it a lot more.
And what I also thought, kind of coming back to
Lea Remedie, who again is a really well known Hollywood
actress mostly from a lot of TV work, was best
friends with Jennifer Lopez for a really long time. They
(27:30):
had a little breakup when she got together with Ben Athlete,
but they're back together now, which I love. As a
side note, but when it was in the news that
Leah Remedie was doing this big tell all, Katie Holmes,
who never comments on anything to do with Tom Cruise,
never comments on scientology, never comments on anything. She's so private,
put out a public statement that said, I apologize to
(27:50):
Lea Remedie for things that have happened in the past.
I am so sorry. And the reason she did that,
what people think and what I think is that she
was so aware that Leah Remedie knew so many things
that had happened when she was involved in the church
with Tom Cruise, everything that had happened, and she's escaped it,
but she just wanted to publicly say I know, Oh
that was bad, I'm so sorry. Yeah, And I just thought, wow,
(28:13):
that is so telling.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's so telling. I mean, I get really obsessed with
those domos.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
But yeah, I think it's very safe to say that
Katie did not like this post.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's now gone from the internet.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yea, So we'll just have to wait to see if
she's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Make a comment.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Oh so she's not gonna make a comment. And I
hate this for her that her name has been pulled
back into this whole situation when she's just like living
her life in New York, acting, doing amazing things, sus
at college. Like this whole thing has been lown up again.
It's been twenty years, but that's what I mean. She
can't escape him no matter what she does. But yeah,
hopefully this blows over and fat Man doesn't come back
into her life again. Agreed. Well, thank you so much
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