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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mom and Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily
pop culture Fixed. I'm Em Burnham and I'm Laura Brudnick.
And on the show today, there is yet another lawsuit
against Sean Combs. Also how Chris Brown ties into all
of this as well. We're going to be explaining everything, but.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
First, but first, okay, obviously to preface this by saying,
this is a very silly story, but I feel like
in amongst all these very serious pop culture updates we've
been doing, we just need a bit of silliness and
we didn't think it was silly at the time.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm scared, Okay, So cast your mind back to I'm
going to say, just stove for a month ago when
some photos circulated of the Bear co stars, so Jeremy
Allen White and Molly Gordon, who are both on the show. Obviously,
Jeremy Allen White plays carm and has had a whole
career resurgence with the Bear and the many cigarettes that
fall out of his mouth and the many single tops
that he wears around LA when he's exercising and not filming.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, it's oh.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Look it's a look so photo surface of him and
Molly Gordon. It was hard to tell because we didn't
have video. This is the most perverted thing. I was said.
We didn't have video, so we couldn't really get a
lock on exactly what was happening. But it looked like
he and Molly Gordon had gone from more than co
stars into in fact lovers and were sharing a kiss
out on the streets of LA. And that was exciting
(01:40):
because people love on CoA stars get together. But it
was especially newsworthy, or at least tabloid worthy in our
circles because before that he had been only ever pictured
kissing singer Rosalia out and about in the streets of.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
LA and rubbing Ioda Ro's back.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yes, Oh, but I think therefore is just mempalsed. I
think she's better than him, to be honest, like she's got,
you know, bigger things going on. And these photos came
out on Rosalie's birthday, which I think is also important
to note on the twenty fifth, so that we're right now,
So now a month on from that, they haven't been
seen me where, and people were saying like, maybe they're
not dating, maybe they're just having dinner as friends and
(02:17):
they were caught in it. Maybe the camera just caught
them in a moment where it looked like they were kissing.
But now photos have come out of them out on
a dinner date together, looking very cozy walking through the streets.
I think there's one photo with his arm is kind
of a rare.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Sure they weren't just filming the bear.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, buddy, they're not filming the bear. First of all,
he didn't have that brooding bear look in this not
an apron to be seen. They were just out and
about in a pat heavy area, so obviously didn't care
if anyone saw them.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
But they're hooking up, I'd say, So, okay, that's the update.
There a little update.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So we've gone from maybe the photo could be wrong too,
they're definitely hooking up. But I'm assuming Rosalie is farm
fit because she's fabulous and off touring and and got
given a bouquet of cigarettes from Charlie XX for birthdays,
so what could be better.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So there are two more lawsuits that are now kind
of compiled in this massive case against Sean Diddy Combs.
These two came yesterday and I think there are now
around like seventeen lawsuits all together. A lawyer, Tony Busby
has said that he's representing now more than one hundred
(03:25):
and fifty victims. So the first alleged victim is a
man who said that in two thousand and five, he
was ten years old, and he said that he met
Shawn Combs as like a promise to get him into stardom.
He was then drugged and told to perform oral sex.
(03:46):
He recounts that he then passed out and when he
woke up, he thought that he was raped by Shawn Combs.
He said that Shawn Combs also threatened him to say
that he would do something to his parents if he
told his parents, which he did, but because his parents
were so scared, they didn't take it anywhere until right now.
The other person said that he was seventeen years old
(04:08):
in two thousand and eight, he was auditioning for the
reality TV show Making the Band, where he was told
to perform oral sex on Sean Combe's and a bodyguard,
and the addition didn't go through because Shawn Combs said
that he had reservations to perform or sex on the bodyguard,
like absolutely horrific stuff. And I think there's been like
a lot of questions that we get on why we're
(04:30):
constantly like updating this story instead of like just waiting
for like all these cases to come back and then
do one big update, or I think people are assuming
that we're going to just like talk about it in
May when this all comes to light. But I think
because since this has started, I don't think it's entirely
fair to talk about one victim's story and not the rest.
I think they all deserve to be spoken about.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, absolutely, because we have been doing weekly updates on
this case, and it's for exactly the reason you said,
Like I think at some stage people do have a
bit of fatigue or the details become really horrific. I mean,
every single allegation that's come forward is equally horrific, but
there are so many now that are coming out that
are to do with very young children, and some of
(05:13):
the information that's coming out is so horrible. But I
think it's important not to turn away from the new
allegations that come out, because I think these people's stories
deserve to be heard the same as the people who
are in the first wave of allegations. There's also so
much misinformation out there about the Sean Combs case. I
guess because he's been famous for such a long time.
(05:34):
There's so many TikTok videos or blind items and articles
and stories about allegations that haven't even been included in
the court system or anything like that, to the point
now where a federal judge who's involved in the case
has put a gag order on a lot of the
officials and lawyers involved in the case on both sides
to stop talking to media because some things have just
(05:56):
spiraled out of control. But it hasn't stopped all the
videos being made. But I think the information that we
do have that's coming out, especially about these new allegations,
these are official documents where these people have sat down
with a lawyer and put this into so it's part
of the court case. It's very different to the videos
that are out there. And also what Tony Buzzby, the
(06:17):
lawyer who is representing the victims. You've got to also
remember that when he became involved in this case, he
put a call out for anyone who had allegations against
Sean Combs, and he got thousands of respondents to that,
and he and his team have gone through and they've
found over one hundred of people who have like a
really solid case, who have witnesses, who have evidence, and
(06:39):
they're the ones going forward. And it doesn't mean that
thousands of allegations aren't true. It's more so that these
are the ones going through the court case. And I
think it's also important to remember that Sean Combs and
his team are still saying that every single one of
these allegations are completely false, and they've changed their tactic
now to saying that Tony Buzzby, the lawyer at the
center of this, is fame chasing, because yeah, because he's
(07:01):
doing so many interviews in press conferences. And they said
that the reason they're not responding to every victim who's
coming forward with allegations is that they can't respond into
every falsehood, every chase for clout, every person who wants
to be famous, which I just think is, yeah, really
interesting way to take it. But obviously they're not going
to fold at this stage of the game.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, And it's like continuing to snowball another celebrity link
to everything that's been unfolding with Combs is Chris Brown.
A documentary has been released called Chris Brown a History
of Violence, and it includes an interview with an anonymous
woman who discussed allegations against Chris Brown for the first
time since she had originally accused him. She brought forth
(07:44):
her allegations for the first time in twenty twenty two,
which was then dismissed by the judge. And the documentary
is like the first time that she's speaking at since
that has happened. So, she said that she was invited
with a friend to a New Year's party hosted by Combs.
There's nothing that mentions Combs in this documentary besides that.
She said that they got to his party and Sean
(08:04):
Combs like welcomed them in. She then claimed that she
was a dancer and she wanted to get into the
industry and Chris Brown was there. He gave her a drink.
She started feeling a bit woozy. She alleged that he
was like, yeah, it's getting really loud in here. Do
you want to go into a back room? This is
also like on a boat. Yeah, And that's where she
(08:25):
claimed that she was drugged and raped by him. In
the documentary. She said she didn't really understand what had
happened to her initially, but after therapy, she said, Chris
Brown raped me, and I can say that and I
know it for a fact, instead of telling myself that
it wasn't it was rape.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, again, so many horrific parts of this story,
but what is I think the interesting part that the
lawyers have pointed out it's not even just stars, is
at how all of these victims stories, even though they
come from very different places, in different ages, and like
you know, sometimes there's decades between allegations, how much their
stories mirror each other. Because in this allegations for this
(09:04):
ten year old boy, the ones that you were talking
about early in the episode, it's like the language is
very similar with the allegations in terms of Shawn Coromb
saying like take this drink and then everything kind of
went woozy for him, and then afterwards the threatening him,
and also like apparently Shawn Combs said to the boy
like this is in his statement to the court that
he was saying, like these are things you know, sometimes
you have to do things you don't want to do,
(09:26):
and then just all these kind of little things, but
especially the drink, and that's something that's come up multiple times,
even with allegations against Kanye West as well allegations around
him and Shawn Combs. It's always that idea of being
like taken to this opulent event or taken somewhere where
you get promised something, taken then away from the group,
and then again away from the group. It's like you
keep getting smaller and smaller to the people in this room,
(09:48):
and then there's always something about a drink being offered
and then the person losing memory and then the threats afterwards.
It's like all of these cases mirror each other.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, And I think with this girl in the documentary,
like it's also the idea of I'm not really sure
what had happened or what happened was wrong. She said
that she gave her number two Chris Brown after and
he texts at her and told her to get Plan B,
and she still didn't really understand like what happened was
(10:16):
wrong until she went through therapy, which is so so sad,
and it's also so common in like that grooming kind
of behavior as well. But you're right, like Chris Brown
has had so many allegations against him and in this
documentary was the first time I've seen them compiled altogether,
because it's happened across years. We'll be getting into that
after the break.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
La Na Na.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So Chris Brown. It's really weird for me to talk
about this because I remember, like he was really famous
to me when I was a child, like I was
probably twelve. His song Forever was like our year six
formal song, right, and I was obsessed with him. I
think he was like sixteen at the time. He was
(10:58):
like just famous. Everyone loved him. He was like making
banger after banger.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, he was like your version of like a one
direction or everyone has some kind of thing or like
my generation with like justin tim Blake or Britney Spears
or something that everyone has their pop star. Who is
that really seminal moment in your high school life that
their songs are very much like the soundtrack to those years.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, and then he started like dating Rihanna, and like
Rihanna was also like so big at that time. But
like his legal troubles actually did begin during that time,
in like around two thousand and nine, where police went
over to his house after a nine to one one
call saying that a woman had been assaulted and they
found Rihanna, who was twenty at the time Chris Brown
(11:41):
was nineteen. They found her with a badly bruised face.
These photos have been ingrained in my memory. Have you
seen them? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Absolutely, I actually have a real visceral memory of seeing
them for the first time because when this.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Story, why were you and holding?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was working and I wasn't working in any sort
of entertainment journalism of the time, so it's not a
story I covered or reported on in any way. But
I do remember these photos just being plastered across like
the top of every news site. There were newspapers, magazine everywhere,
and it was just so kind of jarring because I
think also domestic violence was something discussed at the time,
(12:17):
but not I guess the prevalence that it is now,
and certainly not with a celebrity from my generation where
you would see those sort of images. And I think
also because everyone saw Rihanna as you know, the ultimate
cool girl, the ultimate successful girl. And as we know,
there's no statute around domestic violence of who it affects.
It can be anyone from any background, any age, any
(12:38):
level of success. There's no kind of barrier unfortunately. But
I think also seeing those photos and seeing to the
extent her face had been beaten, and just also just
the look in her eyes of like the absolute devastation.
There's so much you can see in that photo and
they were really disturbing to look at. But I think
having them released in her like speaking about it also
(12:59):
really drove home the severity of what had happened.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It was so intense because I was twelve at the time,
I didn't fully understand what had happened even looking at
the photos. But he turned himself into the police literally
hours before he and Rihanna were meant to perform at
the Grammys. He also publicly apologized after his arrest and
was like charged and was on probation. But there's also
(13:23):
script logs. I don't know if you read these script
logs of like the play by play of what happened
during that event of where she was assaulted. They are horrific.
I remember reading them when I was around like fifteen
years old on like a Reddit post, and even now,
whenever there's like posts about Chris Brown, someone will always
comment and like link that post, like don't forget what
(13:45):
he did, and it's absolutely horrific. I don't recommend anyone
read it, but it really paints a picture of I
feel like we get so desensitized to the word assault. Yeah,
and then when we actually read in graphic detail what
that actually encapsulates, it's ten times worse and what it is.
So Yeah, that just I think that was the moment
(14:06):
when those logs were released, that I realized the gravity
of that situation between them. But since then, between twenty
twelve and fourteen, there were multiple accusations against him, accusations
of him being very aggressive to a woman, like snatching
her phone. Someone accused him of assaulting her. I hid
(14:26):
and run, which you got arrested for punching a man
in the face on the street. It's never just an
isolated it's the eyes violating his probation.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, absolutely, And also the fact I know this is
a long time ago now, but the fact that he
only got probation for what he did Triana is just
it's mind boggling that you could do that to another
human being with that level of like viciousness and violence
and not have any further consequences to that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's horrible. In twenty sixteen, he was also accused of
pulling a gun on a woman in his house and
he was arrested there. And in twenty seventeen, his ex
girlfriend Clause, had a restraining order against him, alleging that
he had threatened her with violence.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Like in twenty seventeen, right two, that one is most
I mean, so much of the story enrages me. But
you know what enrages me about that? Do you remember
when he tried to come into Australia in twenty fifteen. Yes, yes,
he tried to enter Australia. He was barred from entering
because of his history of domestic violence, and because of that,
he put out a statement saying he would love to
come to Australia to raise awareness on domestic violence. Like
(15:27):
he was saying that he could come here and to
help the young men in Australia change their ways if
only he was allowed in. And why were we stopping him?
And he said, I'm not the pink elephant in the
room anymore. My life mistakes should be a wake up
call to everyone. I'm trying to show the world the
mistakes don't define and I'm trying to prevent spousal abuse.
So you put it that whole big statement saying that
(15:47):
he should be allowed into Australia because he changed. I
remember like so many people rallying around him, people were protesting,
there were petitions around being like we can't hold this
man to account, and then he went on to do
things after that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I think this is also such a case of like, yes,
time is a healer, but that's not necessarily a good thing,
because I remember when that happened, when Australia like said
no to him coming in. Even I was shocked. I
was like, oh they still care about that, Like that
happened ages ago, and I'm like so happy that we
did that because the amount of people like till this day,
(16:20):
who likes his sells art concert till this day?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Oh yeah absolutely, And it's insane.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And this documentary like putting everything together, it just like
makes it look so so horrible because it is horrible
and no one's been able to do that before then.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think also it is hard in
a way because there's always this conversation around like how
much of artist music can you enjoy with like different
stories out there, and and I don't want to pretend
that I've got the definitive answer of what's right and wrong.
But I do think in the case of someone like
Chris Brown, like he was found guilty, you know, I mean,
he admitted to doing it, and it doesn't look like
(16:57):
from his actions that he's turned over a new leaf,
if you can even do that in this situation. So
I think sometimes when there's like allegations around someone's whose
art you love, it can be hard to decide to
turn away from them if things aren't proven. But I
just find this interesting because this has been proven and
it sounds like from the allegations. Obviously we don't know
if these new allegations are true or not, like that
(17:18):
still has to go through the legal system, but it
sounds like that was really the beginning of some of
the stuff that he's done, particularly to women, and so
I just yeah, I do think people should be taking
this more seriously, especially now.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So the documentary unfortunately isn't available on streaming services in Australia,
but there are multiple clips of these interviews of the
documentary on YouTube. I highly encourage you to watch it,
especially the interviews of the victims, because their stories are
so so important.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, thank you so much for listening to this spill today,
and as we were saying, we have done a lot
of episodes deep diving on the Sean Crome's case, all
the allegations and all the celebrity names that have been
involved so far, so we'll link those in our show
notes if you'd like to listen. This Spill is produced
by Kimberly Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik. And
we'll see you back here in our podcast feed at
(18:08):
three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Bye see yaller lolla LLAD
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mom and Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily
pop culture Fixed. I'm Em Burnham and I'm Laura Brudnick.
And on the show today, there is yet another lawsuit
against Sean Combs. Also how Chris Brown ties into all
of this as well. We're going to be explaining everything, but.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
First, but first, okay, obviously to preface this by saying,
this is a very silly story, but I feel like
in amongst all these very serious pop culture updates we've
been doing, we just need a bit of silliness and
we didn't think it was silly at the time.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm scared, Okay, So cast your mind back to I'm
going to say, just stove for a month ago when
some photos circulated of the Bear co stars, so Jeremy
Allen White and Molly Gordon, who are both on the show. Obviously,
Jeremy Allen White plays carm and has had a whole
career resurgence with the Bear and the many cigarettes that
fall out of his mouth and the many single tops
that he wears around LA when he's exercising and not filming.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, it's oh.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Look it's a look so photo surface of him and
Molly Gordon. It was hard to tell because we didn't
have video. This is the most perverted thing. I was said.
We didn't have video, so we couldn't really get a
lock on exactly what was happening. But it looked like
he and Molly Gordon had gone from more than co
stars into in fact lovers and were sharing a kiss
out on the streets of LA. And that was exciting
(01:40):
because people love on CoA stars get together. But it
was especially newsworthy, or at least tabloid worthy in our
circles because before that he had been only ever pictured
kissing singer Rosalia out and about in the streets of.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
LA and rubbing Ioda Ro's back.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yes, Oh, but I think therefore is just mempalsed. I
think she's better than him, to be honest, like she's got,
you know, bigger things going on. And these photos came
out on Rosalie's birthday, which I think is also important
to note on the twenty fifth, so that we're right now,
So now a month on from that, they haven't been
seen me where, and people were saying like, maybe they're
not dating, maybe they're just having dinner as friends and
(02:17):
they were caught in it. Maybe the camera just caught
them in a moment where it looked like they were kissing.
But now photos have come out of them out on
a dinner date together, looking very cozy walking through the streets.
I think there's one photo with his arm is kind
of a rare.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Sure they weren't just filming the bear.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, buddy, they're not filming the bear. First of all,
he didn't have that brooding bear look in this not
an apron to be seen. They were just out and
about in a pat heavy area, so obviously didn't care
if anyone saw them.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
But they're hooking up, I'd say, So, okay, that's the update.
There a little update.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So we've gone from maybe the photo could be wrong too,
they're definitely hooking up. But I'm assuming Rosalie is farm
fit because she's fabulous and off touring and and got
given a bouquet of cigarettes from Charlie XX for birthdays,
so what could be better.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So there are two more lawsuits that are now kind
of compiled in this massive case against Sean Diddy Combs.
These two came yesterday and I think there are now
around like seventeen lawsuits all together. A lawyer, Tony Busby
has said that he's representing now more than one hundred
(03:25):
and fifty victims. So the first alleged victim is a
man who said that in two thousand and five, he
was ten years old, and he said that he met
Shawn Combs as like a promise to get him into stardom.
He was then drugged and told to perform oral sex.
(03:46):
He recounts that he then passed out and when he
woke up, he thought that he was raped by Shawn Combs.
He said that Shawn Combs also threatened him to say
that he would do something to his parents if he
told his parents, which he did, but because his parents
were so scared, they didn't take it anywhere until right now.
The other person said that he was seventeen years old
(04:08):
in two thousand and eight, he was auditioning for the
reality TV show Making the Band, where he was told
to perform oral sex on Sean Combe's and a bodyguard,
and the addition didn't go through because Shawn Combs said
that he had reservations to perform or sex on the bodyguard,
like absolutely horrific stuff. And I think there's been like
a lot of questions that we get on why we're
(04:30):
constantly like updating this story instead of like just waiting
for like all these cases to come back and then
do one big update, or I think people are assuming
that we're going to just like talk about it in
May when this all comes to light. But I think
because since this has started, I don't think it's entirely
fair to talk about one victim's story and not the rest.
I think they all deserve to be spoken about.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, absolutely, because we have been doing weekly updates on
this case, and it's for exactly the reason you said,
Like I think at some stage people do have a
bit of fatigue or the details become really horrific. I mean,
every single allegation that's come forward is equally horrific, but
there are so many now that are coming out that
are to do with very young children, and some of
(05:13):
the information that's coming out is so horrible. But I
think it's important not to turn away from the new
allegations that come out, because I think these people's stories
deserve to be heard the same as the people who
are in the first wave of allegations. There's also so
much misinformation out there about the Sean Combs case. I
guess because he's been famous for such a long time.
(05:34):
There's so many TikTok videos or blind items and articles
and stories about allegations that haven't even been included in
the court system or anything like that, to the point
now where a federal judge who's involved in the case
has put a gag order on a lot of the
officials and lawyers involved in the case on both sides
to stop talking to media because some things have just
(05:56):
spiraled out of control. But it hasn't stopped all the
videos being made. But I think the information that we
do have that's coming out, especially about these new allegations,
these are official documents where these people have sat down
with a lawyer and put this into so it's part
of the court case. It's very different to the videos
that are out there. And also what Tony Buzzby, the
(06:17):
lawyer who is representing the victims. You've got to also
remember that when he became involved in this case, he
put a call out for anyone who had allegations against
Sean Combs, and he got thousands of respondents to that,
and he and his team have gone through and they've
found over one hundred of people who have like a
really solid case, who have witnesses, who have evidence, and
(06:39):
they're the ones going forward. And it doesn't mean that
thousands of allegations aren't true. It's more so that these
are the ones going through the court case. And I
think it's also important to remember that Sean Combs and
his team are still saying that every single one of
these allegations are completely false, and they've changed their tactic
now to saying that Tony Buzzby, the lawyer at the
center of this, is fame chasing, because yeah, because he's
(07:01):
doing so many interviews in press conferences. And they said
that the reason they're not responding to every victim who's
coming forward with allegations is that they can't respond into
every falsehood, every chase for clout, every person who wants
to be famous, which I just think is, yeah, really
interesting way to take it. But obviously they're not going
to fold at this stage of the game.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, And it's like continuing to snowball another celebrity link
to everything that's been unfolding with Combs is Chris Brown.
A documentary has been released called Chris Brown a History
of Violence, and it includes an interview with an anonymous
woman who discussed allegations against Chris Brown for the first
time since she had originally accused him. She brought forth
(07:44):
her allegations for the first time in twenty twenty two,
which was then dismissed by the judge. And the documentary
is like the first time that she's speaking at since
that has happened. So, she said that she was invited
with a friend to a New Year's party hosted by Combs.
There's nothing that mentions Combs in this documentary besides that.
She said that they got to his party and Sean
(08:04):
Combs like welcomed them in. She then claimed that she
was a dancer and she wanted to get into the
industry and Chris Brown was there. He gave her a drink.
She started feeling a bit woozy. She alleged that he
was like, yeah, it's getting really loud in here. Do
you want to go into a back room? This is
also like on a boat. Yeah, And that's where she
(08:25):
claimed that she was drugged and raped by him. In
the documentary. She said she didn't really understand what had
happened to her initially, but after therapy, she said, Chris
Brown raped me, and I can say that and I
know it for a fact, instead of telling myself that
it wasn't it was rape.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, again, so many horrific parts of this story,
but what is I think the interesting part that the
lawyers have pointed out it's not even just stars, is
at how all of these victims stories, even though they
come from very different places, in different ages, and like
you know, sometimes there's decades between allegations, how much their
stories mirror each other. Because in this allegations for this
(09:04):
ten year old boy, the ones that you were talking
about early in the episode, it's like the language is
very similar with the allegations in terms of Shawn Coromb
saying like take this drink and then everything kind of
went woozy for him, and then afterwards the threatening him,
and also like apparently Shawn Combs said to the boy
like this is in his statement to the court that
he was saying, like these are things you know, sometimes
you have to do things you don't want to do,
(09:26):
and then just all these kind of little things, but
especially the drink, and that's something that's come up multiple times,
even with allegations against Kanye West as well allegations around
him and Shawn Combs. It's always that idea of being
like taken to this opulent event or taken somewhere where
you get promised something, taken then away from the group,
and then again away from the group. It's like you
keep getting smaller and smaller to the people in this room,
(09:48):
and then there's always something about a drink being offered
and then the person losing memory and then the threats afterwards.
It's like all of these cases mirror each other.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, And I think with this girl in the documentary,
like it's also the idea of I'm not really sure
what had happened or what happened was wrong. She said
that she gave her number two Chris Brown after and
he texts at her and told her to get Plan B,
and she still didn't really understand like what happened was
(10:16):
wrong until she went through therapy, which is so so sad,
and it's also so common in like that grooming kind
of behavior as well. But you're right, like Chris Brown
has had so many allegations against him and in this
documentary was the first time I've seen them compiled altogether,
because it's happened across years. We'll be getting into that
after the break.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
La Na Na.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So Chris Brown. It's really weird for me to talk
about this because I remember, like he was really famous
to me when I was a child, like I was
probably twelve. His song Forever was like our year six
formal song, right, and I was obsessed with him. I
think he was like sixteen at the time. He was
(10:58):
like just famous. Everyone loved him. He was like making
banger after banger.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, he was like your version of like a one
direction or everyone has some kind of thing or like
my generation with like justin tim Blake or Britney Spears
or something that everyone has their pop star. Who is
that really seminal moment in your high school life that
their songs are very much like the soundtrack to those years.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, and then he started like dating Rihanna, and like
Rihanna was also like so big at that time. But
like his legal troubles actually did begin during that time,
in like around two thousand and nine, where police went
over to his house after a nine to one one
call saying that a woman had been assaulted and they
found Rihanna, who was twenty at the time Chris Brown
(11:41):
was nineteen. They found her with a badly bruised face.
These photos have been ingrained in my memory. Have you
seen them? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Absolutely, I actually have a real visceral memory of seeing
them for the first time because when this.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Story, why were you and holding?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was working and I wasn't working in any sort
of entertainment journalism of the time, so it's not a
story I covered or reported on in any way. But
I do remember these photos just being plastered across like
the top of every news site. There were newspapers, magazine everywhere,
and it was just so kind of jarring because I
think also domestic violence was something discussed at the time,
(12:17):
but not I guess the prevalence that it is now,
and certainly not with a celebrity from my generation where
you would see those sort of images. And I think
also because everyone saw Rihanna as you know, the ultimate
cool girl, the ultimate successful girl. And as we know,
there's no statute around domestic violence of who it affects.
It can be anyone from any background, any age, any
(12:38):
level of success. There's no kind of barrier unfortunately. But
I think also seeing those photos and seeing to the
extent her face had been beaten, and just also just
the look in her eyes of like the absolute devastation.
There's so much you can see in that photo and
they were really disturbing to look at. But I think
having them released in her like speaking about it also
(12:59):
really drove home the severity of what had happened.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It was so intense because I was twelve at the time,
I didn't fully understand what had happened even looking at
the photos. But he turned himself into the police literally
hours before he and Rihanna were meant to perform at
the Grammys. He also publicly apologized after his arrest and
was like charged and was on probation. But there's also
(13:23):
script logs. I don't know if you read these script
logs of like the play by play of what happened
during that event of where she was assaulted. They are horrific.
I remember reading them when I was around like fifteen
years old on like a Reddit post, and even now,
whenever there's like posts about Chris Brown, someone will always
comment and like link that post, like don't forget what
(13:45):
he did, and it's absolutely horrific. I don't recommend anyone
read it, but it really paints a picture of I
feel like we get so desensitized to the word assault. Yeah,
and then when we actually read in graphic detail what
that actually encapsulates, it's ten times worse and what it is.
So Yeah, that just I think that was the moment
(14:06):
when those logs were released, that I realized the gravity
of that situation between them. But since then, between twenty
twelve and fourteen, there were multiple accusations against him, accusations
of him being very aggressive to a woman, like snatching
her phone. Someone accused him of assaulting her. I hid
(14:26):
and run, which you got arrested for punching a man
in the face on the street. It's never just an
isolated it's the eyes violating his probation.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, absolutely, And also the fact I know this is
a long time ago now, but the fact that he
only got probation for what he did Triana is just
it's mind boggling that you could do that to another
human being with that level of like viciousness and violence
and not have any further consequences to that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's horrible. In twenty sixteen, he was also accused of
pulling a gun on a woman in his house and
he was arrested there. And in twenty seventeen, his ex
girlfriend Clause, had a restraining order against him, alleging that
he had threatened her with violence.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Like in twenty seventeen, right two, that one is most
I mean, so much of the story enrages me. But
you know what enrages me about that? Do you remember
when he tried to come into Australia in twenty fifteen. Yes, yes,
he tried to enter Australia. He was barred from entering
because of his history of domestic violence, and because of that,
he put out a statement saying he would love to
come to Australia to raise awareness on domestic violence. Like
(15:27):
he was saying that he could come here and to
help the young men in Australia change their ways if
only he was allowed in. And why were we stopping him?
And he said, I'm not the pink elephant in the
room anymore. My life mistakes should be a wake up
call to everyone. I'm trying to show the world the
mistakes don't define and I'm trying to prevent spousal abuse.
So you put it that whole big statement saying that
(15:47):
he should be allowed into Australia because he changed. I
remember like so many people rallying around him, people were protesting,
there were petitions around being like we can't hold this
man to account, and then he went on to do
things after that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I think this is also such a case of like, yes,
time is a healer, but that's not necessarily a good thing,
because I remember when that happened, when Australia like said
no to him coming in. Even I was shocked. I
was like, oh they still care about that, Like that
happened ages ago, and I'm like so happy that we
did that because the amount of people like till this day,
(16:20):
who likes his sells art concert till this day?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Oh yeah absolutely, And it's insane.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And this documentary like putting everything together, it just like
makes it look so so horrible because it is horrible
and no one's been able to do that before then.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think also it is hard in
a way because there's always this conversation around like how
much of artist music can you enjoy with like different
stories out there, and and I don't want to pretend
that I've got the definitive answer of what's right and wrong.
But I do think in the case of someone like
Chris Brown, like he was found guilty, you know, I mean,
he admitted to doing it, and it doesn't look like
(16:57):
from his actions that he's turned over a new leaf,
if you can even do that in this situation. So
I think sometimes when there's like allegations around someone's whose
art you love, it can be hard to decide to
turn away from them if things aren't proven. But I
just find this interesting because this has been proven and
it sounds like from the allegations. Obviously we don't know
if these new allegations are true or not, like that
(17:18):
still has to go through the legal system, but it
sounds like that was really the beginning of some of
the stuff that he's done, particularly to women, and so
I just yeah, I do think people should be taking
this more seriously, especially now.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So the documentary unfortunately isn't available on streaming services in Australia,
but there are multiple clips of these interviews of the
documentary on YouTube. I highly encourage you to watch it,
especially the interviews of the victims, because their stories are
so so important.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, thank you so much for listening to this spill today,
and as we were saying, we have done a lot
of episodes deep diving on the Sean Crome's case, all
the allegations and all the celebrity names that have been
involved so far, so we'll link those in our show
notes if you'd like to listen. This Spill is produced
by Kimberly Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik. And
we'll see you back here in our podcast feed at
(18:08):
three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Bye see yaller lolla LLAD
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