October 23, 2025 • 46 mins
Kristen Bell and Adam Brody have everyone talking after Nobody Wants This Season 2 dropped this week — but Laura’s convinced there’s another duo involving Kristen that completely blows this one out of the water.
From slow burns to instant sparks, today we’re ranking the TV couples with the best on-screen chemistry of all time. You’ll hear about the pairing that weren't even supposed to happen but were written into shows because of their undeniable connection, the co-stars who said the cutest things about each other off screen, and the couple that still makes us cry because they didn’t end up together.
And of course, Laura crowns the sexiest on-screen chemistry ever caught on camera — and Em tries (and fails) to explain a show she swears she’s never watched. Trust us, it’s priceless listening.This is the ultimate list of TV shows to rewatch if you want to see fireworks unfold right in front of your eyes.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to
this spill your daily pop culture thinks.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Banham.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And boy, guys, do we have a treat for you today.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm so excited. I was excited for this episode from
last night when.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We decided to do it correct. Yes, So this is
the week of Nobody Wants This Season two. It came
out just last night. I'm assuming most of you have
watched at least the first couple of episodes. But the
reason that we wanted to this episode today is that
we know that this week everyone is going to be
newly obsessed with the on screen chemistry between Kristen Bell
(01:00):
and Adam Brody in Nobody Wants This and their characters
Joanne and Noah and we all just love a good
steamy love story on TV and watching actors who haven't
credible chemistry together.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, I feel like the chemistry between actors on screen
really makes or breaks a roum com.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
One hundred percent, but also just any kind of TV
show like, and this might make me look very bad
at my job, but I love TV shows for the characters.
I can forgive some bad or slow plot. I can
forgive like a shaky premise if the chemistry between the
characters is there, I'm all in. I'm all in. All
my favorite shows are chemistry based.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Interesting. Yeah, I think I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, you might be the opposite, but that's why we work.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You've heard about my expendables.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No chemistry there, Yeah, no, zero chemistry.
So today we're gonna be talking through our favorite on
screen couples of all time, the ones who have the
most sizzling, undeniable chemistry. And a fun fact about mine
is that all the couples I have, their characters were
originally not written to be together. It's just that once
(02:04):
they all of them, yeah, I realized after i'd picked them,
I was like, oh my god, I've got it. I'm
such a type. I've got such a type. They all
just on the same show, and the chemistry between them
was so incredible. The writers broke up the original love
stories and paired all of these characters together. So that's
the ones I've chosen.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, Well, My first one is kind of the opposite,
where it was like actors that were dating and then
their relationship was so interesting that the writers wrote them
into the show as a couple.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Can not picture which couple you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Okay, because you know, you know, you know. Okay, So
this first one, Oh my god, I can't wait to
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, Okay, we're so excited. Take a deep breath.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's gonna be okay, this first one. And I think
I'm going to start as like a little teaser, okay,
because I want to read out a quote where one
of the actors was winning an award and the other
actor was presenting the award to them, and this was
the quote. We were in love with each other, and
we were reckless idiots, and the two of us would
argue about all these things forever, grinding the writer's room
(03:02):
into a halt until we got two upset and we
go to our respective offices and slam the door, where
we would continue arguing over instant messenger.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't know who this is? Are you sure I
know these people? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Mindy Kayling and bj Novak? Oh my god, of course
of course, from the office.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So these two crazy kids started off as writers for
the Office and they became so intensely in love. They
had this toxic relationship that was on again, off again
because they were these two big creators and they had
all these ideas and they would even say how they
would literally have all the other writers in the office
like roll their eyes because they just kept going at
each other. Yeah, and eventually they you start to see
them come into characters in the actual show, and then
(03:43):
they have the exact same relationship on screen as Kelly,
Copaul and Ryan.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Oh, and their chemistry is just like.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, that's why they still will they won't they like twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Years will they won't they in real life in their forties.
And it's so interesting because even in the MINDI Project, Yeah,
Bj Novak makes an appearance. He's like this Latin guy
who's this Latin professor who's starting to date Mindy, And
I'm like, still, even in that show, out of all
the men you date on that show, I feel like
you have the best chemistry with Bj for that two seconds.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And then his character in the MINDI Project is what
people think he and MINDI are in real life because
remember his best friend the show, Lucy played by Evo More,
Susan Sarandon's daughter. They're like best best best friends, and
everyone's like, aren't you guys together? You're clearly so.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Like sitting on each other's lad She's like, oh, that's
your girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Like everyone's like, oh, no, men and women can't be friends.
And that's the whole thing that people say about bj
Novak and Mindy is like, you're clearly soulmates. And that's
what happens because in the show he realizes that Lucy
is his soulmate, not Mindy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And you know what, that might have happened in real life,
but they'll never tell us it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, it might still happen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Oh my god, don't.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Life is long.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I will live the day that happens. We're doing like
a full spill week a week of every single episode
they've been in together, exactly of their relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I mean, we could just do that anyway, right, so
much that's actually a good idea. I know, this is
what I've said before. I know this paints me as
an absolute trash person, but I just want to know,
and it's literally none of my business. He is the
father of her children. I know because I kind of
want him to be because it's.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
The fact that even her kids are like grown now,
like their kids going to school, and she still doesn't
show their faces on social which almost she's a responsible
mum and she doesn't want to show. But I'm like,
is it also they look like.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Beja imagine this is the worst where I can't stress
enough how it's not our business, it's none of our business,
but it's coming from a place of love. I love
both of.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Them made that situation. Ship never find me.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, well, I actually kind of like it. I would
love to have that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, I know it's complicated, but like he's just
like dates whoever she wants, and it's like he has
to vet them through her.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They're just each other's soulmate and potentially they have children together.
Maybe they don't. She's never said that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I would hate to be the other woman, Like I
would hate to be the woman dating BJ who has
a MINDI at home, the.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Real mindy k doctor mindy in the MINDI project. Yeah,
the woman who comes in and realizes that he's already got.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A soul made. Literally, I would hate to be doctor mind.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh my god. That's and they're chemistry in that show,
which is all were actually discussing not real wife, No no, no.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, no, It's so good and they chemistry in the
office is just like off the chain.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, and so they had to write them as a couple.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, because they were just like this toxic kids because
they were quite young as well. We had this gone again,
off again thing and they would message on AOL at
night and then they that just became the relationship they
had on screen as well, and they were just so
good at it because it was actually happening at home.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I love them. I love toxicity. Yes, okay, what do
you have for me?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, I have to just throw this morning? Because we
have talked about this before, but it is just the
ultimate like on screen chemistry overrides the entire show, and
it's Joey Potter and Pacey Witter on.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Dawson's I knew you were going to use this. I know.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I did the top. I did the top. So if
anyone we touched on this briefly the other day with
the Dawson's Creek re union, they did because Katie Holmes
and Joshua Jackson were on stage together. They're filming something together.
At the moment they were hugging on stage, left in
a car together and everyone's like, oh my god, what's happening.
And it's because their chemistry on screen changed a whole
generation of people in the nineties early two thousands. So
(07:19):
Dawson's creek, Kevin Williams in the creator always said that
he meant it to be a love story between Joey
Potter and Dawson Leary. They with a setup, they with
the endgame. The whole show was formulated along that, and
they had grown up as like childhood best friends, but
his best friend was also Pacy, but Pacey and Joey
didn't get along. Cut forward to their all teenagers, Joey
(07:40):
and Dawson date. They break up. She's devastated and he
asked Pacey to keep an eye on her. And they
also hate each other, you know, they're friendly like childhood enemies,
you know, and then their chemistry is so incredible and
it's such a slow burn of them falling in love
and it's so forbidden. It's the most forbidden thing because
of like their friendships. The episode where Dawson finds out
(08:03):
they're dating, what happens. It's filmed like a true crime
because at the first it's like it is a true
crime exactly, a worst crime has never been committed by
anyone else on TV. It's filmed from all these different
perspectives of the day of the day Dawson finds out
because at the top of the episode you see Joey
like being faced by Dawson something terrible has happened. Then
(08:25):
it cuts back and you see the day from Joey's perspective,
you see it from Dawson's perspective, and you realize that
he found out earlier in the day and he was
kind of testing them. So when she's like you know,
and he's like, I know, and it's so awful. Like
as a teen, I was like, I think I only
threw up, like this can't happen. But like everyone else
in the world, I wanted Joey and Paisy to be
together so so, so badly because their chemistry is so good.
(08:48):
And Kevin william said it said he ended up rewriting
the entire show to have Pacey and Joey spoiler alert
for the last episode, which is an incredible episode, end
up together. Oh my god, say chemistry was just so good.
Oh I love that, and yes they dated in real life,
but that doesn't always translate to screen chemistry. And sometimes
I do believe sometimes actors can have incredible on screen
(09:09):
chemistry but just not but not being in love in
real life.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, one hundred percent, I completely agree. Oh my god,
that was a good one.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's yeah, it was just also like I think it
has to feel earned, like there has to be a
really big build up to it, and there was for
this because it was like will they won't They surely not.
And then like they work on a science project together
and they kind of like start her feelings and like
more time passes and they spend time together. He buys
her a wall to like paint because she wants to
be a painter, and it's this whole thing, and he
like protects her from some bullies and she's the one
(09:38):
who believes it. He's smart and worth something.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, you bullied up.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
That's why he brought her the wall, because she drew
this thing at school for this competition in front of
the bull because they can't see. You were actually running
one of the most people on TV. So it's actually
quite hurtful that you said that someone this guy bulliant
school destroys her art project, and so that's me. Yeah,
Paisy like confronts him.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I have something similar.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Really, if you're a Joey Potter of your school, is
your dad in jail?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, my dad's here, He's not in jail.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's a part of Joey's story.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Okay, Okay, spoilers, Okay. My next one's kind of similar
in the sense if it was like will they won't they? Yep,
you're gonna know this one.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I know the last one.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
No, this one's quite weird, like a very recent one.
It's all about yearning. Oh we love a yearning yearning,
and I mean, like the most intense yearning I've ever seen.
Like their chemistry was all done in silence, like no
words were spoken, like they barely speak.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And it's only right at the end of the entire
like season that you actually see them together as a couple,
and you see them kiss the whole beginning then like
not even touching.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, that's what you need. It's true yearning, a true
TV romance. And this is why controversial opinion. All the
ones I've picked over twenty years old. I think a
lot of ones you've picked are quite old as well.
From what I can see, maybe that's this one for
this one, because we don't know how to do love
stories on TV anymore because our attention spans are so shot,
and now it has to be like it's six episodes,
(11:07):
limited series and you watch it all on a Sunday night.
That's a movie like movie love and TV love a
different and a TV show. You should watch twenty two
episodes for three seasons before you get a kiss. Yeah,
like you got to put in the work.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh my god, No one wants to work anymore. No
one wants to right.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And when she said that, she was talking about romance.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
On TV home Way for her TV show, Yeah, I
want to see the yearning.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
There see some yearning. So even like with nobody wants this,
Like yes, I do believe they're in love, but there
was no build up to it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah. And also in comparison to like our examples, I
feel like nobody wants it doesn't even seem like it
has that.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I'm not true, That's what I mean. I have I
have a much better Christmas each other later the whole
part of the show. We do love that show. We
don't want to trush it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, okay, what is it bridget in season two?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh my god, Kate.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Sharma and.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Exact producer George.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
She's just gasping in.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
The corner someone Georgie's had a panic attack. She's fallen
to the floor.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Kate Sharma and Anthony Bridgeton. Bridgton, Yes, I've never seen
like the way they even breathe in each other's faces.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I haven't seen acting like that ever in my life.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That was very hard them to pull off because, as
we're just saying, everything was kind of against them for
us to believe in their love story because we know
the whole point of the season is that they end
up together. Yeah, So there's no will they won't they,
there's no surprise, there's none of that. Like all these
other examples we're talking about, happened in a kind of shocking,
interesting way that even the writers didn't predict, whereas Bridgeston's
(12:40):
kind of got that they have to make the chemistry
so incredible to overcome the fact that we know what's
going to happen and we're expecting it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, because the one thing we know from Bridgerton is
that just obviously based on the book and the one
rule of the books is that the characters have to
end up with the person they end up with in
the book.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah. Yeah. When the writer gave permission first Wonder Hims
to make her serious, she said, I don't care if
you change anything, but the one thing you can't change
is two people.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So we knew for certain they were going to end
up together. But oh my god, I did not know
this was going to happen. Like every single episode. I
was just like, the hell yeah, Like it was so
intense the way they and it's just like all silence.
Like they have some great lines in it where he's like,
you're the bait on my existence, and but like it's
just like the silence of them like looking at each
other from across the room and you see him always
(13:23):
like searching for her in a crowd, and like the
way he just like she'll leave a room and he'll
just like look at the spot that she had left,
And oh my god. It was just so so.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Incredible acting on his behalf, because you always have to
be like working harder when the camera's on on you,
so when it hands over, that storyline is all like
in place, like you can't fake it.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just in those moments, it's just insane and like her
big dough eyes when she like looks at him and
I'm like, oh my god, you look like a baby reindeer.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh the dreams look like a baby.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We wouldn't be single.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, that's what we were all just Kate Chalma, use.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Your favorite moment between them and that whole series, Like,
do you have one moment where you were just like
that You had to like grasp your hands in front
of your chest and like be like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, this is gonna sound like actually so insignificant. And
I don't think anyone else would pick this because it's
not an actual major scene. It's when they're playing what's
that ball game they played? Yes, and then the way
croquet before there.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Do you know last time I played crok was with
Last time I played croquet was when I was in
the fake Bridgitt in Australia when they did Bridget came
to Australia with the Bridgington Cars because we played Croque
one afternoon.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Were they good?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah? I mean they weren't like out mixing with the commoners,
which is us. They were just watching around and then
we played Okay, it's getting gladiated the Empress. Yeah, gladiator.
That was pretty much the vibe, Like that is the
last time I played.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Okay, it's called palmel apparently.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well again, US comeders call it croquet.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Anyway, the ball goes away and they both run after
it because I'm both very competitive, and there's this part
and I think everyone else missed this, but this is
the part I played.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I've seen only you saw in Bridgish.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Literally, I think I was the only one who saw
it because it happened so quickly. She jumps over like
a log to run after the ball, and as she
jumps over, her dress lifts a little bit and you
see like a bit of her upper thigh.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh scin.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
She runs away, I want to show an ankle, and
she runs away like to follow the ball. She has
no idea what she's doing. And he just immediately stops
in this track and just stares at the spot on
where she jumped over the log. Ah, that's so hot,
Oh my god, like insane. It's like she has no
idea he's doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, this moment being.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yearned after without realizing you're being yearned after.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I know that's the dream.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And then like only when you realize and then you
start replaying the things back in your head. And then
he did this, and.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Then he did this, and I was like, oh, I
know you wanted it in their love story to work
out so badly that I was like, I don't even
care about this stuff was ruining this TV show for
all of us, and go away. My cutest part for
them in that season was the moment when they're in
the bee No the b Membu laughed, Sorry, that was embarrassing.
(16:09):
I know he is traumatized by his father. I know
he's trauma tizeda.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I know when my dog got a bee sing, I
got really sad because I thought he.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Was going to know and look, I'm deathely allergic to
be so I related to the British ins in that sense.
But it was just like the bee pops up and
he's just like, he just has a panic attack. And
that's not against Jonathan Bi.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's how you're they're going to end up together. Because
she didn't get the ick, she.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Helped him and that was the moment she was she
should have got the ick for him in that moment.
I would have been so on her side. For that. No,
the part I love the most is when she jumps
and she falls off the horse and he goes kate
because he's so tight. He just yells her name and
jumps off his horse and runs over.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And that was a beautiful scene in the way she
fell as well, Oh my god, beautiful, perfectly in the mud.
And then she's suddenly in bed clean.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I know, and she just wakes up modern medicine from the.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Fine when I wake up from like an every day now,
but I'm like, she's coming up from a coma.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
She's like, hello, she looks more beautiful to me. She
looks more beautiful on a coma than we look doing this.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
She looks beautiful, And imagine looking that good in a coma.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Oh again, the dream, the dream, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And a coma, the dream again.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'll never looked that beautiful. That's the moment where I
feel like he realizes how desperately he is in love
with her. He'd been denying it up into that moment.
So that's so good.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's actually a good strategy. So next time I go
on a date, if I want to figure out if
he likes me not, I'll just fall off a horse.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, or jump over log.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yes, yeah, and if he chases after me and then
he likes me, then if he does a poor messcord.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It means he doesn't get the thighs out. Okay, this
is a couple of I don't think I've ever talked
about in this podcast before, and it's one of my
favorites of all all times.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Surely you've talked about him.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
M Did you watch any shows in the Arrow verse?
In the in the Arrow verse like the superhero oh Arrow?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I love Katie Cassidy. Yeah, because
she dated Jesse McCartney. It was my actually I hated
her at the time, but now and now I'm like
you go girl me.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
But now you've got found common ground because you're both
not dating.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Just in my case we both didn't make it, so
we're both kind of the same.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay, if you like Katie Cassidy, then you're actually not
gonna like this next.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And the guy sorry, so the guy who plays Arrow
is cousins with the guy in Robbie and I love
Robbie aml Yeah he's also and he follows Stephen.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, he does their cousins sorry, so no, no, no, no,
that's all good.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Really good listening on my Arrows as much as I know,
and what else do I know about it?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No? No, but and then the Flash comes in. Yeah,
you've really set the stakes high because you're not gonna
like this. So yes, Arrow came out and it was
like the start of like this superhero franchise. It became
such a huge show.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You're only allowed to be on that show.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I you're het, absolutely, I only want to hot people
in my superhero shows. That's why I don't like all
this gritty real TV. Sorry, sorry, I lived that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I just want to hop the office.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
The people now are just like it's so realistic. I'm sorry.
I also feel like in TV shows, undless there's a
supernatural threat to the world, then you don't have any
real problems if anything else can be fixed, I agree.
So I only really feel for characters in a supernatural setting.
So Arrow came out, and then the Flash, and then
Supergirl and then Batgirl and then Legends of Tomorrow. But anyway,
(19:27):
the real anchor show in this huge TV universe that
was built and ran for many many years was Arrow.
And that started off with Steven Emmel, the cousin of
your favorite actor.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
He's also very hard.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's also the leading man, yes, playing the Green Arrow.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So he's a superhero and he kind of has like
a Batman vibe where he's like super super rich and
then he's like a vigilante.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of the it's kind of very Yeah,
he does get called a vigilante. So he is the
star of the show. He's the leading man, he's the superhero.
And Katie Cassidy, Yes, Jessi McCartney's ex gul also David
Cassidy's daughter in a very well known actress in her
own riot.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
She was a Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yes, she plays We're are these facts coming from someone
knows how.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They I've never talked about this in my life, and we've.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Never talked about this before. It's like, all of a sudden,
you have all these hidden like what's the arrow pass?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Like this happened.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Apparently someone's a secret fan. So Katie Cassidan was hired
to play Laurel Lance. Now, yeah, this was a huge
role because Laurel Lance is huge U dude in the
comics and she was really set up to be a
big hero in.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The Laurel Lance.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, Laurel Lance, and she will.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well know where they got that from Lois Lane.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
She was really set up to be not only the
leading lady of the show and all of the Queen's
main love introns, because the whole thing is that they
were dating. And then he gets he has cried. He
gets trapped on this island for many, many, many years
where he learns to be a superhero and then he's, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, because that's that one arrow guy and he teaches
him arrowing.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, so I'm just called not even close. I kin'd
even get into that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Archery barrowing close. I beg you to stop trying to Sorry, sorry, continue,
Let's get to the yearning.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Please stop trying to explain the stage.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I've got this. Don't hurry, I'll be I've got this.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Stop. So Laura LED's Katie Cassidy's character. She thinks she's
got it mate, because she is the leading lady this
TV shes so. A side character they had cast in
the show is played by an actress called Emily Betrickins,
who is like people people like her. She plays Felicity Smoke,
who is the kind of computer genius.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
She's that situation they're like, I can't get into this building.
She's like, hold on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, she's trying. Now, it's exactly like that, that's exactly what.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Now they're everywhere's my boyfriend, Everywhere's my archery boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Every superhero show has one person who's the nerd who
can kind of do everything. They know chemistry, they know calculus,
they know like ero dynamics, and then they got kicked
out of Yale. Yeah, yeah, for hacking. That's kind of
her storyline as well. So she's an absolute genius. She's
working at the company that his family owns because they're
like billionaires, and he starts to get her to help
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with things with she's such a genius. She discovers he
is the Arrow, and then she kind of starts helping him.
And they're such opposites, like he's this kind of billionaire
playboy turned like really gruff superhero who's like, no one
can be close to me because I fear to protect
the city, like that kind of vibe. And also he's
got this thing with.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
On an island but flashed back to the island.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
The island, Yeah, yeah, exactly is ever a long time, Wow,
you've lost this show. Come from such a good show,
by the way, but then slowly over time slowly, slowly,
Felicity and Oliver's chemistry just grows and grows and grows
and grows, and the fans are obsessed with them. The
writers start to be obsessed with them. They were never
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meant to be a couple. She was always just meant
to be a side character and potentially written out after
two seasons. The writers see this and they change the
entire show. Katie Cassidy gets fired. They bring her back
later as a different character because I think they felt bad,
but she was really upset. She's found character.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, they bring her they do a multiverse thing.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, they bring her back, is like the same character
from Diverse. She found out she'd lost her job for
not having chemistry with Steven Emmel and not being able
to McCartney. On the way to a comic con to
promote the show, she found out that they'd written her off.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Is that because they broke up so and then they
physically didn't have any chemistry?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No, no, no, they would not. None of these people ever dated.
Behind the on screen, they were like, your character's not working,
we're taking you out. And the whole show that it
was never meant to be a romanch show, that all
of Arrow becomes about Felicity and Oliver and their incredible
chemistry in their relationship. It's called like the illicity factor,
like people started calling them that, and it just goes
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to show that sometimes chemistry and I honestly believe that
these characters all exist somewhere in like a fictional realm,
and sometimes they just have their own idea of where
they're going to go, and even the writers who are
creating them can't stop it.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, call the scientist and have you.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Watched the last few seasons Arrow, since it seems to
be a favorit.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't recall watching any of it. You know, all
of that, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You're like bringing up like little Deer, how am I
doing that? Well, they end up having like children, they
end up aging in a way, aging some there's death,
there's other world. There's their daughter fights alongside them in
the end of the world. Yeah, it's a whole huge thing,
like literally, you know how like all of a sudden
(24:37):
when you're watching a TV show and all of a sudden,
this unexpected romance pops up and it just becomes your
entire life, Like all you want to do home, go
home and watch it. And then like you watch like
certain scenes over and over and over again from it,
and it's not even that. It's like like Aara doesn't
have like any sex scenes or anything like that. It's
not that type of show, but it just the chemistry
is so good that it like surpasses everything else. And
(25:01):
again it was, yeah, well, at least go back and
watched the first couple of seasons where like the slogann
of their relationship, all of the hooks up with Laurel's sister,
Sarah Lance, because that's the whole thing. He was cheating
on her. It's kind of like regretting you. He's when
he gets stuck on the island. He was on a
boat with her sister. And then she comes back and
she becomes a superhero. Then she goes off to lead
(25:21):
her own superhero show. It's a whole thing. It's a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I think I've seen it in like proxy with other
shows because there's a lot of crossovers.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
With Yeah, every season they started doing those crossover The
multiverse got to make that money so good, so you
have like the character.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Brothers cousins.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I can't stress enough how much Robbie mel is not
part of the.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Shit dies quite early.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
He leaves, he becomes he's in the flash, yes, and
he takes off. He gets killed when they're in, goes
off yet and.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
She's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, but then she hooks.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Up with.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But begging you to like not help, sorry, but yeah,
the olicity factor. I'd never seen anything like it. I
even saw like when that was building up so much,
all these book editors and publishers on Twitter like putting
out calls for writers. They're like this, anyone have an
elicity of romance, send it to us, because like the
fan of was someone tense. They're like, this is our
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time to like put books not about those particular characters,
but a similar type of story. They're like, this is
what everyone wants to read. This kind of like complete
opposites attract slow, bad kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And so if we can add that to our list
of like Transformers fan fiction.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, the next book that we're gonna write after we
write our Transformers smart which we promised in last week,
we can watch.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, this last one I have. I feel like everyone's
going to agree with this, yes, Like you can't deny
these people didn't have chemistry, except it's a really sad
one because the characters don't end up together, and everyone
was just I don't know a single person who didn't
cry at the end of this Fleabag oh yeah, Fleabag
(27:01):
and the hot Priest, Yeah, I almost.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I don't know if I was upset that they didn't
end up together because I saw that for them, oh
my God, to be together. I think that he just
came into her life at the time when she kind
of needed something, and he just gave her something she needed.
But I never saw them as endgame.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, I'm obsessed with them. I just love them together.
I wanted every scene.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
To be with Tell in case anyone hasn't seen it,
can you set the scene a bit since she told
the plot of the show for me that you hadn't
seen before. Do you know how can you tell the
plot of a show you have seen multiple times? So
that wasn't meant to be a trick question.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So the main character, Phoebe Ola Bridge plays Fleabag.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
She's in her thirties, I think, yep.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And she's gone acting like you've never seen the show now,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Quite confused on what the show's about. It kind of
goes through her life and she has a very messy life.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And she makes a hot priest and then the hot
priest is like, can I give up the church to
be with you? And then he can't. He can't give
up God because.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
The idea of Fleabag is like, yeah, she's going through
like these huge family traumas and like life traumas, and
life is messy and things are difficult, and she talks
to the camera and she like lives in her own world.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
She breaks the fault.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
She lives in a world where nowhere else can see her,
where she sees herself as a different character, and then
the priest is the only one who really sees her.
He sees her. He notices when she does that, when
she goes into her own world, when she disassociates, and
he pulls her out of it, and it goes on
to show her that she doesn't have to live in
that world by herself, that if she finds the right person,
and it's not him, but if she finds the right person,
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she can let someone into this world she's created. Did
you never pick that up before?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It is No. My favorite scene is an opening scene
where like she's like breaking the fourth wall, addressing the
camera like in her own world, and she's like, no
one's asked me a question in forty five minutes, and
as he cuts her off and he's like, so what
do you do? And I was like, oh my god,
that is hot.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It is hot.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And that's like the first thing you ever see them interacting,
the first time you ever see them interact, and you're like,
that is the hottest thing.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Doesn't that go to show just like how low the
bar is? Like women just want men to ask my
question and actually be interested in it now and then,
and it can just be what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
She was like, I love you and he was like,
it'll pass, it'll pass, And I got a gas out
of Georgie.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I know we're going to kill our producer.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
To watch the show again, I always have to watch
season one though, because season two is too sad.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
When he says it will pass, I think what he
means is not like this was nothing, you'll get over it.
He means it'll pass on to someone else. I know
this feeling that you have for it, And he's doing that.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
For her, Yeah, because he loves her too.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He loves her too. They just know that that's not.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Their pH God, why do you have to do that?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Such good TV? And then Phoebe roller Bridge disappeared into
the world and does not mean.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Anything, meant to be a mister and missus Smith.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, but they had created differences, which with your favorite person. Yeah,
don't glover, how do you pick a side?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Good chemistry with everyone?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I know it's not her. Yeah, yeah, it's okay, don't know.
She's She's given us enough. I know she is working
on things. I think everyone's just looking for that next
huge project. It's coming, it's coming.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I just love them together, flee back.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I've watched it in so long. It came out so
long ago, seven years something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I know, I really wanted another season.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think she's so good at knowing when to end stuffy.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, she knew because she could have got like a
five year deal.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
For that show she did before that with Jonathan Bailey
and when they were all living in that hospital. Yeah,
and it was like one season or something. And she
just knows when to end it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I never know it when to end anything. Every episode
is probably two hours.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The rest of it.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I have Phoebe wall Abridge here to teach us how
to edit. Okay, okay, I saved my favorite one for
the end.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I know, I know you're so excited for it.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Excited, So I do think you know, I want to
say that's a chose at the scene. So everyone thinks
that Kristen Bell and Adam Brody have such good chemistry
in Nobody wants this season two, But I have a
show with much better chemistry which also stars Kristin Bell.
Just in case you're looking for that Kristin Bell with who, Well,
the show is for Ronic Kamas because the name of
(31:06):
the man will mean nothing to you. That's fair. So
I have talked about Veronica and Miles on this pod
before because obviously it's my whole existence. It ran for
three seasons back in the very early two thousands. It
was Kristen Bell's first big acting role. It's the role
that made her stuff. And when I say it, tell
(31:26):
you the premise. You've never watched it, right, But can
I just say, I think you should watch it now
because you would love it. Okay, you really would.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It's so good to start a list on my phone.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yes, I can't believe in all the years we've known
each other, you don't have that already.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I know. I know that's actually really bad on my part,
but look at me right now, I'm going to be.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Like you're making a listen just says watch for shows that.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
LB wants me to watch.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And you know what I should do, and then put
the OC on there.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Okay, I want you to watch.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I'm not telling you to watch every one of my
favorite shows. I only recommend shows I think you'll genuinely like,
and yeah, hold up, you're very good and that will
hold up over twenty years late.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But you know what I think I should do, not
tell you when I watched that and then just start
like inserting like inside like like you just did. But
I don't know where I came from. I actually genuinely
don't know what happened there.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
No, but I want to watch the first episode with
you your reaction. But you can watch Ronica Mars about me.
That's okay, because that's more of like a lot slow
burd It's not like the pilot sets everything.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So Ronni kahmas So Kristin Bell plays Ronicka Mamrs. And
she's a high school student living in this tiny town
of Neptune, which is very much like half the pepper tune,
Yep chune yeap, half love it. You're impressed with that.
Just half the people in the town are filthy, filthy rich, right,
huge mansions, multiple homes, fancy cars, and the other people
(32:45):
are the yeah, and the other people like the kind
of working class people who work in the restaurants and
serve them. Kristin Bell plays Ronni Kammas, a high school student.
Her dad's a police officer, and all the kids are
in together with the local high school because even though it's.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Like high school, both the rich kids and haw kids.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And Ronni Khamas falls in love with Duncan, the son
of the richest people in town.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
He's the richest person in down Well.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And also they're just like they're very like meant to be,
kind of like, you know, from two different worlds, madly
in love.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And she's like working class.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, yeah, she's working class. Her dad's a local sheriff.
And she says in the pilot, gives me a certain
amount of cachet because her dad's a local sheriff. But
she's still not like living in a mansion like her
friendship group is.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he's kind of like that sheriff who stopped justin
Tim Blake in.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The Yeah, he's exactly like that. Yes, and then she's
also best friends with Duncan's sister, Lily feed for her
plague by Amanda Seafried.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh I love a man. Yeah, she said, well, and
that's good because then when they do play dates together,
like Duncan will be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean they are teenagers, not doing all to play dates,
so their idellic well kind of gets shut again. This
is all a spoiler. This is in the first few
seconds of the show and makes up the entire universe.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Are you allowed to date your best friend's brother?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
They were okay with it, so that was the thing. Well,
it actually doesn't matter that much because in the first
episode she dies. Lily is killed. She just dies. Oh no,
they dunkin gets.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I was like, I'm so excited to enjoy her acting
in this whole series.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
She does pop up was like a memory a lot through,
but she's clearly being murdered. She's lying by the like
Veronica a really treading. Duncan and Veronica both see her
because Duncan gets home finds her body. She's lying outside
by the pool. She's clearly being killed because she's been
struck on the head. Veronica's dad, Keith Mars, the local sheriff,
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gets the call that Veronica, sorry something, please stop helping. Sorry,
just like explain this.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
We're already like a minute. This is what I can't
even help with. I actually have nothing. Nothing's coming to mind.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, yeah, because you definitely. And then Veronica also finds
the body because her dad. Her dad gets called to
investigate the murder, and she runs and sees Lily's body.
The whole town is traumatized. Lily's ex boyfriend, Logan, who's
also Duncan's best friends they were a little foursome girl
like Dawson's Creek. Yeah, yeah, they were like a little
foursome group, is also devastated. And then she Mars. The
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sheriff says, he points the finger at the family, and
it's like they did it inside a job. Yeah. It's
found to be not true when it goes to the courts,
and then Keith loses his job and the whole town
shuns them. Duncan and Veronica break up, and so Keith
Mars becomes a private detective. In that chune, her mum leaves,
Ronica's Mom's like I can't deal with that.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
She just leaves.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's just the two of them together, and then Veronica
is like she takes off. Yeah, Veronica is an outcast, embarrassing.
No one will speak to her, no one will look
at her, and so she becomes like also a private detective,
like she helps her dad.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
But then she's like Nancy Drew vibe.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
And Kristen mel is so good in this role. Anyway,
getting to the romance. Okay, so the show was initially
set up that Duncan and Veronica as they kind of
found out who killed Lily and who killed Lily is
the biggest reveal you find out in the last episode
of season Who was it? I'm not telling you one.
You have to watch it, you mu have it just
hyped up. The show was one of the best shows
ever and they just ruined.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But you find out at the end of season one.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
There's three seasons, a movie which was funded by the fans,
including me, and then yeah, I did I guess I
gave him money. I was in high school, so they
only give him like fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Oh my god, And you know what that would have
made all the difference.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And the movie got made, and then it came back
as a TV show later on, which we will talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, getting to the chemistry.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
How did you did you send her a fifty dollar note?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
No, they didn't know. Kristen Bell got on her socials
and she was like, hey, Marshmallows, that's what you got.
That's the fans.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Wait, how old were you?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Eight nineteen picture it was. They crowd funded it. That
was the time of crowdfunding movies. Now that would just
want on a stream up, but that wasn't the thing
back then. So like, if you wanted to make them
the show, the fans had to fund it. Oh wow,
and they sent your poster.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We funded it? Wow, No regrets. I'd give them more
money if I had, I did. I didn't have any
money to give anyway, And then it came back as
a TV show like maybe six years ago or something
like that. Anyway, So the whole show is that the
Duncan and Veronica are endgame that they will find their
way back to each other once they have kind of
figured out who killed his sister. The whole thing of
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his dad blaming the parents. At the same time, there's
Logan Eccles, who is Duncan, Duncan's best.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Friend or the best friend who was with Lily, and.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Lily's boyfriend who was with her when he died. And
when the whole thing happens, and Ronnie, he gets shunned.
Logan hates her and she hates him because they never
really got along, but they were dating siblings, so they
were kind of forced to hang out together. But after
they hate each other. And there's so many times where
like she sets him up for things and he like
torments her at school and it goes yeah and on
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and on. There's actually real scoobodoo vibes to this show.
It's very much like I wouldn't have gotten away, but
it was a few damn jeans. It's Lily.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
She takes her own death. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Anyway, slowly, slowly, slowly over time, especially the end of
season one, we're trying to figure out who the killer is.
Logan and Ronica, who were never meant to be together,
the writers and Oma, they kids start to fall in love,
enemy still lovers, the ultimate enemies lovers, And I think
I don't say this lightly. I thought a lot about it.
This is my favorite couple on TV. I've never seen
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chemistry like it before. I've never seen a build up.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
It's just like all bad boy's name Logan, I know.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
And also it's a terrible message, like you shouldn't form
of a guy that publicly torments you for years. Yeah,
you shouldn't. He starts and that's fun. They obviously have
like a rocky kind of road over the years. But
there's this moment in season one. It's the most romantic
thing I have ever ever seen. So they had the
long hating each other. Then they had to sort of
come together to you know, because Duncan goes on the
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run and they're trying to find out like Lily's killers
just hold them. They had to start working together, like
begrudgingly working together, and then they slowly start to fall
in love. They share the most epic kiss when Logan
comes to save Veronic Kirk because he thinks that she's
in trouble and she kind of is in trouble, and
then they have this incredible kiss that's just been building
up for ages, and they start secretly seeing each other.
(39:04):
They can't tell anyone because she's like shunned at school.
His family hate her. All the other families hate her,
like her dad never approved because he's like he's a
bad guy. They have to keep it secret. And so
one night they're at his house and they walk into
his house, turn the lights, and the whole school is
there because they're there for a surprise party for Logan.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Because it's his birthday.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that's part of the stock.
I guess I didn't know, but it was like, all
of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
They see you there, and I was like, oh my god.
She didn't know.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
They were like and they were like, Logan, what are
you doing with her? Like she's all and she kind
of steps back because she's like, no way, he's going
to tell the whole school. And he's like his parents
are like the community that we're together, Like this is
the end of the road he's going to Like so
Roonicanda steps back in and said that she's going to lose,
and he just like looks around and he goes, why no,
we're on a podcast, so I'm just gonna say. He
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reaches his hand over, reaches his hand back to her
and just looks at her, and then he's like, doesn't
take my hand, and then he pulls her hand in
and puts his arm around her and he's like, Ronica
and I are together and in front of everyone, and
then his best friend, Dick cassiblanc has comes home and
he's like, wait, what happened to Duncan. Well, he's not
here at the time. Actually, he's at the back of
the room.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
We find out best friends.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
He's the only one and he's like, dude, don't tell
me you're with that girl. She's the worst. And he's like,
get out of my house. And he's like, if anyone
else has a problem with this, get out of my house,
because you've got a problem with ronic, You've got a
problem with me.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And they all leave, some of them do well.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Duncan leaves, Oh Duncan, and then he choses after him.
It's the whole thing, but he ran away, and then
the whole show then becomes about them. So they're together
for season one. They have some issues in season two,
then they go to college in season three and it's
all about them being together and it's just the chemistry
is so incredible. Then it cuts to a few years later.
The movie Self Funded by Me comes out, and they're
(40:48):
broken up at the start of that, but then she
he calls her back to Neptune because he's been framed
for murder, and over time they sort of get back together.
No no, no, they different murder because it's the murder
of his current girlfriend. Yeah yeah, and he's like, they
haven't spoken for like.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
A girlfriends keep dying.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, that's what people say. And then they're like, He's like,
you're the only one who can help me. So he
flies her back to Neptune and she helps him and
they fall in love. And then we come to the
TV show that came out a few years ago, the reboot,
where they're like Logan and Veronica are like both fully
adults in my late thirties there together. I'm just gonna
tell you what the end of this show did to me.
I'm watching the whole new season of Ronnick Cars. Is
(41:30):
the best thing that's ever happened to me. I never
thought I'd see these characters again on screen. I can't
believe that I'm so lucky in life that this has
happened to me. And I have one episode left to
watch of the new Veronica Mars series, and I've got
a film something for work the next day, So go
put a fake tan on the fake tans. It can
only be on for an hour, right, that's great, the
episode's forty minutes. I've got plenty of time. I watched
this episode. This is like my old old apartment, where
(41:52):
like the balcony was also a kitchen. So I'm just
sitting with my I didn't have a TV. I'm setting
with my little laptop and I'm watching it and it
is the most upsetting thing that has ever ever ever
happened in a TV show in a bad way. Yeah,
in the worst possible way. And then when it finished,
I've never anything like it for a TV character. I
sold like my whole body was sobbing, and I sobbed
(42:14):
and sobbed and sobbed on my couch for about three hours.
Every time I tried to like collect myself. I didn't
even cry this badly into The Walking Dead or Buffy,
but I think it was just so shocking and I
couldn't believe it had happened. And then I was like,
oh shit, I was meant to watch my tan off
and I didn't watch it. I went in the bathroom,
was too late. The next day at work, I was
radioactive orange. So every time I looked down at my hands,
and remember this isn't the old Wetworth Avenue office, just
(42:36):
a pain a scene in you and everyone could see, Yes,
that's a whole office was open. Every time I looked
down and saw my orange hands, I cried again because
it reminded me of what had happened that before. And
then because I was on a different TV podcast at
the time, the one we had prior to this, and
we had to film some videos and you can check
that this happened because it was your friend that was
filming a ready.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
We had to film like a reaction to this show.
And then we went into the old boardroom with the
old old Mummer office, you know with the colored poles,
and we were seeing there filming and then she was like,
and now I react to this scene, this scene and stuff.
And then I like, yeah, yep, yep, because we're doing
these videos. And then we went to the end scene
and she's like, are you gonna say anything? You're doing anything?
And she's like, oh my god, are you crying. I'm
just like burst into tears. So that's on camera.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I want to see that, well, I don't know where
it is. I don't believe anything.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So so I just I just I tell all that
that story, not to be self indulgent, but just to
let you know, and all the fans right now, I
want to want so all the fans had that reaction.
So I just want to try to explain what this
particular TV romance has meant to people.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, and that's no, that's actually such a good ad
for that show, I know, right, So it's like you
have to sit with me watching the first episode of
that oc in the last episode of RONI mmar, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I mean again, I know we're talking about just the romance,
but Veronic Kmas is just one of the greatest shows ever.
The writing's so good, she's so good in it. But
like that slow burned romance is like, oh.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I love chemistry.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
It's so good. And Kristen Bell still says this day
that she's never had chemistry with anyone like she had
chemistry with Jason Doring, who plays Logan to s them together, Yeah,
it's when you look at them, you're just like, yeah,
it's nothing to their looks. It's just there. They're both hot,
but like it's the chemistry on that show, and Kristin
Bell hashaid she's never had chemistry like that with anyone else.
Oh she hasn't said it, but not even Adam Brody.
(44:17):
Like Adam Brodie doesn't hold especially not at it. Adam
Brodie doesn't hold a candle to this.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Oh I know him. He's in Sealed team.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
He's great at actions, helpful facts. So any way, that
is nice. I'm going to cry again. I feel like
I just lived through that again, but I can't. The
first time they kissed, I literally I remember like being
on like the floor of my teenage bedroom and I
literally like fell onto the floor and was like I
couldn't even scream, and my sister has what's happening? Like
it was so unexpected, like you kind of knew it
(44:48):
was coming, and be like they're not gonna do it,
They're not gonna do it, and then they did it.
And then after that, romance on TV has never been
the same. WHOA, Yeah, myself is dressed headache with this
conversation and I've got a headache now, and then the
rest of the day off, we're too overstimulated from this conversation.
So that is the TV couple with the best chemistry.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh my god, I'm so excited to watch all these
sh I.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Can't wait for you to watch Fronticamas. You'll just love it.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
And now I have to rewatch Bridges him and you.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Have to allegedly watch Arrow for the first time, even.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Though what's been there. I was actually it's like that
was part of the Arrow verse. Whatever happened to me?
You're right there. I had an epiphany.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
It's like you watched it and someone erased it from
your mind somewhere.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Like it's actually freaking me out. No recollection of ever
watching now, all.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
These little bits and pieces that you wouldn't know from
just watching a weird clip here and there makes me
uncomfortable talk about it, to think about it. But anyway,
that is our TV characters with the best chemistry. If
you're looking for something once you finished Nobody Wants the
season two and you're looking for something else to delve into, and.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Make sure you do watch Nobody Wants This season two,
which came out yesterday, because we are going to be
doing a broodly honest review on it on Friday, so
stay tuned because that's obviously you're going to be spoilers. Well,
thank you, so much for listening to this bill today.
If you love our show, the best thing you can
do is give us a five star ratings and review
wherever you listen. We'll be back on Monday with Morning
(46:08):
Tea at eight am. This bill is produced by Minicious
Wire and sound production by Scotstronic. Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Bye bye h
So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to
this spill your daily pop culture thinks.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Banham.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And boy, guys, do we have a treat for you today.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm so excited. I was excited for this episode from
last night when.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We decided to do it correct. Yes, So this is
the week of Nobody Wants This Season two. It came
out just last night. I'm assuming most of you have
watched at least the first couple of episodes. But the
reason that we wanted to this episode today is that
we know that this week everyone is going to be
newly obsessed with the on screen chemistry between Kristen Bell
(01:00):
and Adam Brody in Nobody Wants This and their characters
Joanne and Noah and we all just love a good
steamy love story on TV and watching actors who haven't
credible chemistry together.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, I feel like the chemistry between actors on screen
really makes or breaks a roum com.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
One hundred percent, but also just any kind of TV
show like, and this might make me look very bad
at my job, but I love TV shows for the characters.
I can forgive some bad or slow plot. I can
forgive like a shaky premise if the chemistry between the
characters is there, I'm all in. I'm all in. All
my favorite shows are chemistry based.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Interesting. Yeah, I think I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, you might be the opposite, but that's why we work.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You've heard about my expendables.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No chemistry there, Yeah, no, zero chemistry.
So today we're gonna be talking through our favorite on
screen couples of all time, the ones who have the
most sizzling, undeniable chemistry. And a fun fact about mine
is that all the couples I have, their characters were
originally not written to be together. It's just that once
(02:04):
they all of them, yeah, I realized after i'd picked them,
I was like, oh my god, I've got it. I'm
such a type. I've got such a type. They all
just on the same show, and the chemistry between them
was so incredible. The writers broke up the original love
stories and paired all of these characters together. So that's
the ones I've chosen.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, Well, My first one is kind of the opposite,
where it was like actors that were dating and then
their relationship was so interesting that the writers wrote them
into the show as a couple.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Can not picture which couple you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Okay, because you know, you know, you know. Okay, So
this first one, Oh my god, I can't wait to
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, Okay, we're so excited. Take a deep breath.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's gonna be okay, this first one. And I think
I'm going to start as like a little teaser, okay,
because I want to read out a quote where one
of the actors was winning an award and the other
actor was presenting the award to them, and this was
the quote. We were in love with each other, and
we were reckless idiots, and the two of us would
argue about all these things forever, grinding the writer's room
(03:02):
into a halt until we got two upset and we
go to our respective offices and slam the door, where
we would continue arguing over instant messenger.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't know who this is? Are you sure I
know these people? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Mindy Kayling and bj Novak? Oh my god, of course
of course, from the office.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So these two crazy kids started off as writers for
the Office and they became so intensely in love. They
had this toxic relationship that was on again, off again
because they were these two big creators and they had
all these ideas and they would even say how they
would literally have all the other writers in the office
like roll their eyes because they just kept going at
each other. Yeah, and eventually they you start to see
them come into characters in the actual show, and then
(03:43):
they have the exact same relationship on screen as Kelly,
Copaul and Ryan.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Oh, and their chemistry is just like.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, that's why they still will they won't they like twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Years will they won't they in real life in their forties.
And it's so interesting because even in the MINDI Project, Yeah,
Bj Novak makes an appearance. He's like this Latin guy
who's this Latin professor who's starting to date Mindy, And
I'm like, still, even in that show, out of all
the men you date on that show, I feel like
you have the best chemistry with Bj for that two seconds.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And then his character in the MINDI Project is what
people think he and MINDI are in real life because
remember his best friend the show, Lucy played by Evo More,
Susan Sarandon's daughter. They're like best best best friends, and
everyone's like, aren't you guys together? You're clearly so.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Like sitting on each other's lad She's like, oh, that's
your girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Like everyone's like, oh, no, men and women can't be friends.
And that's the whole thing that people say about bj
Novak and Mindy is like, you're clearly soulmates. And that's
what happens because in the show he realizes that Lucy
is his soulmate, not Mindy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And you know what, that might have happened in real life,
but they'll never tell us it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, it might still happen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Oh my god, don't.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Life is long.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I will live the day that happens. We're doing like
a full spill week a week of every single episode
they've been in together, exactly of their relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I mean, we could just do that anyway, right, so
much that's actually a good idea. I know, this is
what I've said before. I know this paints me as
an absolute trash person, but I just want to know,
and it's literally none of my business. He is the
father of her children. I know because I kind of
want him to be because it's.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
The fact that even her kids are like grown now,
like their kids going to school, and she still doesn't
show their faces on social which almost she's a responsible
mum and she doesn't want to show. But I'm like,
is it also they look like.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Beja imagine this is the worst where I can't stress
enough how it's not our business, it's none of our business,
but it's coming from a place of love. I love
both of.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Them made that situation. Ship never find me.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, well, I actually kind of like it. I would
love to have that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, I know it's complicated, but like he's just
like dates whoever she wants, and it's like he has
to vet them through her.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They're just each other's soulmate and potentially they have children together.
Maybe they don't. She's never said that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I would hate to be the other woman, Like I
would hate to be the woman dating BJ who has
a MINDI at home, the.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Real mindy k doctor mindy in the MINDI project. Yeah,
the woman who comes in and realizes that he's already got.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A soul made. Literally, I would hate to be doctor mind.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh my god. That's and they're chemistry in that show,
which is all were actually discussing not real wife, No no, no.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, no, It's so good and they chemistry in the
office is just like off the chain.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, and so they had to write them as a couple.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, because they were just like this toxic kids because
they were quite young as well. We had this gone again,
off again thing and they would message on AOL at
night and then they that just became the relationship they
had on screen as well, and they were just so
good at it because it was actually happening at home.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I love them. I love toxicity. Yes, okay, what do
you have for me?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, I have to just throw this morning? Because we
have talked about this before, but it is just the
ultimate like on screen chemistry overrides the entire show, and
it's Joey Potter and Pacey Witter on.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Dawson's I knew you were going to use this. I know.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I did the top. I did the top. So if
anyone we touched on this briefly the other day with
the Dawson's Creek re union, they did because Katie Holmes
and Joshua Jackson were on stage together. They're filming something together.
At the moment they were hugging on stage, left in
a car together and everyone's like, oh my god, what's happening.
And it's because their chemistry on screen changed a whole
generation of people in the nineties early two thousands. So
(07:19):
Dawson's creek, Kevin Williams in the creator always said that
he meant it to be a love story between Joey
Potter and Dawson Leary. They with a setup, they with
the endgame. The whole show was formulated along that, and
they had grown up as like childhood best friends, but
his best friend was also Pacy, but Pacey and Joey
didn't get along. Cut forward to their all teenagers, Joey
(07:40):
and Dawson date. They break up. She's devastated and he
asked Pacey to keep an eye on her. And they
also hate each other, you know, they're friendly like childhood enemies,
you know, and then their chemistry is so incredible and
it's such a slow burn of them falling in love
and it's so forbidden. It's the most forbidden thing because
of like their friendships. The episode where Dawson finds out
(08:03):
they're dating, what happens. It's filmed like a true crime
because at the first it's like it is a true
crime exactly, a worst crime has never been committed by
anyone else on TV. It's filmed from all these different
perspectives of the day of the day Dawson finds out
because at the top of the episode you see Joey
like being faced by Dawson something terrible has happened. Then
(08:25):
it cuts back and you see the day from Joey's perspective,
you see it from Dawson's perspective, and you realize that
he found out earlier in the day and he was
kind of testing them. So when she's like you know,
and he's like, I know, and it's so awful. Like
as a teen, I was like, I think I only
threw up, like this can't happen. But like everyone else
in the world, I wanted Joey and Paisy to be
together so so, so badly because their chemistry is so good.
(08:48):
And Kevin william said it said he ended up rewriting
the entire show to have Pacey and Joey spoiler alert
for the last episode, which is an incredible episode, end
up together. Oh my god, say chemistry was just so good.
Oh I love that, and yes they dated in real life,
but that doesn't always translate to screen chemistry. And sometimes
I do believe sometimes actors can have incredible on screen
(09:09):
chemistry but just not but not being in love in
real life.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, one hundred percent, I completely agree. Oh my god,
that was a good one.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's yeah, it was just also like I think it
has to feel earned, like there has to be a
really big build up to it, and there was for
this because it was like will they won't They surely not.
And then like they work on a science project together
and they kind of like start her feelings and like
more time passes and they spend time together. He buys
her a wall to like paint because she wants to
be a painter, and it's this whole thing, and he
like protects her from some bullies and she's the one
(09:38):
who believes it. He's smart and worth something.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, you bullied up.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
That's why he brought her the wall, because she drew
this thing at school for this competition in front of
the bull because they can't see. You were actually running
one of the most people on TV. So it's actually
quite hurtful that you said that someone this guy bulliant
school destroys her art project, and so that's me. Yeah,
Paisy like confronts him.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I have something similar.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Really, if you're a Joey Potter of your school, is
your dad in jail?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, my dad's here, He's not in jail.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's a part of Joey's story.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Okay, Okay, spoilers, Okay. My next one's kind of similar
in the sense if it was like will they won't they? Yep,
you're gonna know this one.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I know the last one.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
No, this one's quite weird, like a very recent one.
It's all about yearning. Oh we love a yearning yearning,
and I mean, like the most intense yearning I've ever seen.
Like their chemistry was all done in silence, like no
words were spoken, like they barely speak.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And it's only right at the end of the entire
like season that you actually see them together as a couple,
and you see them kiss the whole beginning then like
not even touching.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, that's what you need. It's true yearning, a true
TV romance. And this is why controversial opinion. All the
ones I've picked over twenty years old. I think a
lot of ones you've picked are quite old as well.
From what I can see, maybe that's this one for
this one, because we don't know how to do love
stories on TV anymore because our attention spans are so shot,
and now it has to be like it's six episodes,
(11:07):
limited series and you watch it all on a Sunday night.
That's a movie like movie love and TV love a
different and a TV show. You should watch twenty two
episodes for three seasons before you get a kiss. Yeah,
like you got to put in the work.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh my god, No one wants to work anymore. No
one wants to right.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And when she said that, she was talking about romance.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
On TV home Way for her TV show, Yeah, I
want to see the yearning.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
There see some yearning. So even like with nobody wants this,
Like yes, I do believe they're in love, but there
was no build up to it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah. And also in comparison to like our examples, I
feel like nobody wants it doesn't even seem like it
has that.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I'm not true, That's what I mean. I have I
have a much better Christmas each other later the whole
part of the show. We do love that show. We
don't want to trush it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, okay, what is it bridget in season two?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh my god, Kate.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Sharma and.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Exact producer George.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
She's just gasping in.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
The corner someone Georgie's had a panic attack. She's fallen
to the floor.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Kate Sharma and Anthony Bridgeton. Bridgton, Yes, I've never seen
like the way they even breathe in each other's faces.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I haven't seen acting like that ever in my life.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That was very hard them to pull off because, as
we're just saying, everything was kind of against them for
us to believe in their love story because we know
the whole point of the season is that they end
up together. Yeah, So there's no will they won't they,
there's no surprise, there's none of that. Like all these
other examples we're talking about, happened in a kind of shocking,
interesting way that even the writers didn't predict, whereas Bridgeston's
(12:40):
kind of got that they have to make the chemistry
so incredible to overcome the fact that we know what's
going to happen and we're expecting it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, because the one thing we know from Bridgerton is
that just obviously based on the book and the one
rule of the books is that the characters have to
end up with the person they end up with in
the book.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah. Yeah. When the writer gave permission first Wonder Hims
to make her serious, she said, I don't care if
you change anything, but the one thing you can't change
is two people.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So we knew for certain they were going to end
up together. But oh my god, I did not know
this was going to happen. Like every single episode. I
was just like, the hell yeah, Like it was so
intense the way they and it's just like all silence.
Like they have some great lines in it where he's like,
you're the bait on my existence, and but like it's
just like the silence of them like looking at each
other from across the room and you see him always
(13:23):
like searching for her in a crowd, and like the
way he just like she'll leave a room and he'll
just like look at the spot that she had left,
And oh my god. It was just so so.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Incredible acting on his behalf, because you always have to
be like working harder when the camera's on on you,
so when it hands over, that storyline is all like
in place, like you can't fake it.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just in those moments, it's just insane and like her
big dough eyes when she like looks at him and
I'm like, oh my god, you look like a baby reindeer.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh the dreams look like a baby.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We wouldn't be single.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, that's what we were all just Kate Chalma, use.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Your favorite moment between them and that whole series, Like,
do you have one moment where you were just like
that You had to like grasp your hands in front
of your chest and like be like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, this is gonna sound like actually so insignificant. And
I don't think anyone else would pick this because it's
not an actual major scene. It's when they're playing what's
that ball game they played? Yes, and then the way
croquet before there.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Do you know last time I played crok was with
Last time I played croquet was when I was in
the fake Bridgitt in Australia when they did Bridget came
to Australia with the Bridgington Cars because we played Croque
one afternoon.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Were they good?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah? I mean they weren't like out mixing with the commoners,
which is us. They were just watching around and then
we played Okay, it's getting gladiated the Empress. Yeah, gladiator.
That was pretty much the vibe, Like that is the
last time I played.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Okay, it's called palmel apparently.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well again, US comeders call it croquet.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Anyway, the ball goes away and they both run after
it because I'm both very competitive, and there's this part
and I think everyone else missed this, but this is
the part I played.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I've seen only you saw in Bridgish.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Literally, I think I was the only one who saw
it because it happened so quickly. She jumps over like
a log to run after the ball, and as she
jumps over, her dress lifts a little bit and you
see like a bit of her upper thigh.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh scin.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
She runs away, I want to show an ankle, and
she runs away like to follow the ball. She has
no idea what she's doing. And he just immediately stops
in this track and just stares at the spot on
where she jumped over the log. Ah, that's so hot,
Oh my god, like insane. It's like she has no
idea he's doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, this moment being.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yearned after without realizing you're being yearned after.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I know that's the dream.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And then like only when you realize and then you
start replaying the things back in your head. And then
he did this, and.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Then he did this, and I was like, oh, I
know you wanted it in their love story to work
out so badly that I was like, I don't even
care about this stuff was ruining this TV show for
all of us, and go away. My cutest part for
them in that season was the moment when they're in
the bee No the b Membu laughed, Sorry, that was embarrassing.
(16:09):
I know he is traumatized by his father. I know
he's trauma tizeda.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I know when my dog got a bee sing, I
got really sad because I thought he.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Was going to know and look, I'm deathely allergic to
be so I related to the British ins in that sense.
But it was just like the bee pops up and
he's just like, he just has a panic attack. And
that's not against Jonathan Bi.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's how you're they're going to end up together. Because
she didn't get the ick, she.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Helped him and that was the moment she was she
should have got the ick for him in that moment.
I would have been so on her side. For that. No,
the part I love the most is when she jumps
and she falls off the horse and he goes kate
because he's so tight. He just yells her name and
jumps off his horse and runs over.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And that was a beautiful scene in the way she
fell as well, Oh my god, beautiful, perfectly in the mud.
And then she's suddenly in bed clean.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I know, and she just wakes up modern medicine from the.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Fine when I wake up from like an every day now,
but I'm like, she's coming up from a coma.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
She's like, hello, she looks more beautiful to me. She
looks more beautiful on a coma than we look doing this.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
She looks beautiful, And imagine looking that good in a coma.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Oh again, the dream, the dream, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And a coma, the dream again.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'll never looked that beautiful. That's the moment where I
feel like he realizes how desperately he is in love
with her. He'd been denying it up into that moment.
So that's so good.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's actually a good strategy. So next time I go
on a date, if I want to figure out if
he likes me not, I'll just fall off a horse.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, or jump over log.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yes, yeah, and if he chases after me and then
he likes me, then if he does a poor messcord.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It means he doesn't get the thighs out. Okay, this
is a couple of I don't think I've ever talked
about in this podcast before, and it's one of my
favorites of all all times.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Surely you've talked about him.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
M Did you watch any shows in the Arrow verse?
In the in the Arrow verse like the superhero oh Arrow?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I love Katie Cassidy. Yeah, because
she dated Jesse McCartney. It was my actually I hated
her at the time, but now and now I'm like
you go girl me.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
But now you've got found common ground because you're both
not dating.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Just in my case we both didn't make it, so
we're both kind of the same.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay, if you like Katie Cassidy, then you're actually not
gonna like this next.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And the guy sorry, so the guy who plays Arrow
is cousins with the guy in Robbie and I love
Robbie aml Yeah he's also and he follows Stephen.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, he does their cousins sorry, so no, no, no, no,
that's all good.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Really good listening on my Arrows as much as I know,
and what else do I know about it?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No? No, but and then the Flash comes in. Yeah,
you've really set the stakes high because you're not gonna
like this. So yes, Arrow came out and it was
like the start of like this superhero franchise. It became
such a huge show.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You're only allowed to be on that show.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I you're het, absolutely, I only want to hot people
in my superhero shows. That's why I don't like all
this gritty real TV. Sorry, sorry, I lived that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I just want to hop the office.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
The people now are just like it's so realistic. I'm sorry.
I also feel like in TV shows, undless there's a
supernatural threat to the world, then you don't have any
real problems if anything else can be fixed, I agree.
So I only really feel for characters in a supernatural setting.
So Arrow came out, and then the Flash, and then
Supergirl and then Batgirl and then Legends of Tomorrow. But anyway,
(19:27):
the real anchor show in this huge TV universe that
was built and ran for many many years was Arrow.
And that started off with Steven Emmel, the cousin of
your favorite actor.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
He's also very hard.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's also the leading man, yes, playing the Green Arrow.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So he's a superhero and he kind of has like
a Batman vibe where he's like super super rich and
then he's like a vigilante.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of the it's kind of very Yeah,
he does get called a vigilante. So he is the
star of the show. He's the leading man, he's the superhero.
And Katie Cassidy, Yes, Jessi McCartney's ex gul also David
Cassidy's daughter in a very well known actress in her
own riot.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
She was a Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yes, she plays We're are these facts coming from someone
knows how.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They I've never talked about this in my life, and we've.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Never talked about this before. It's like, all of a sudden,
you have all these hidden like what's the arrow pass?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Like this happened.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Apparently someone's a secret fan. So Katie Cassidan was hired
to play Laurel Lance. Now, yeah, this was a huge
role because Laurel Lance is huge U dude in the
comics and she was really set up to be a
big hero in.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The Laurel Lance.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, Laurel Lance, and she will.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well know where they got that from Lois Lane.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
She was really set up to be not only the
leading lady of the show and all of the Queen's
main love introns, because the whole thing is that they
were dating. And then he gets he has cried. He
gets trapped on this island for many, many, many years
where he learns to be a superhero and then he's, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, because that's that one arrow guy and he teaches
him arrowing.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, so I'm just called not even close. I kin'd
even get into that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Archery barrowing close. I beg you to stop trying to Sorry, sorry, continue,
Let's get to the yearning.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Please stop trying to explain the stage.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I've got this. Don't hurry, I'll be I've got this.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Stop. So Laura LED's Katie Cassidy's character. She thinks she's
got it mate, because she is the leading lady this
TV shes so. A side character they had cast in
the show is played by an actress called Emily Betrickins,
who is like people people like her. She plays Felicity Smoke,
who is the kind of computer genius.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
She's that situation they're like, I can't get into this building.
She's like, hold on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, she's trying. Now, it's exactly like that, that's exactly what.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Now they're everywhere's my boyfriend, Everywhere's my archery boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Every superhero show has one person who's the nerd who
can kind of do everything. They know chemistry, they know calculus,
they know like ero dynamics, and then they got kicked
out of Yale. Yeah, yeah, for hacking. That's kind of
her storyline as well. So she's an absolute genius. She's
working at the company that his family owns because they're
like billionaires, and he starts to get her to help
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with things with she's such a genius. She discovers he
is the Arrow, and then she kind of starts helping him.
And they're such opposites, like he's this kind of billionaire
playboy turned like really gruff superhero who's like, no one
can be close to me because I fear to protect
the city, like that kind of vibe. And also he's
got this thing with.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
On an island but flashed back to the island.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
The island, Yeah, yeah, exactly is ever a long time, Wow,
you've lost this show. Come from such a good show,
by the way, but then slowly over time slowly, slowly,
Felicity and Oliver's chemistry just grows and grows and grows
and grows, and the fans are obsessed with them. The
writers start to be obsessed with them. They were never
(22:57):
meant to be a couple. She was always just meant
to be a side character and potentially written out after
two seasons. The writers see this and they change the
entire show. Katie Cassidy gets fired. They bring her back
later as a different character because I think they felt bad,
but she was really upset. She's found character.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, they bring her they do a multiverse thing.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, they bring her back, is like the same character
from Diverse. She found out she'd lost her job for
not having chemistry with Steven Emmel and not being able
to McCartney. On the way to a comic con to
promote the show, she found out that they'd written her off.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Is that because they broke up so and then they
physically didn't have any chemistry?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No, no, no, they would not. None of these people ever dated.
Behind the on screen, they were like, your character's not working,
we're taking you out. And the whole show that it
was never meant to be a romanch show, that all
of Arrow becomes about Felicity and Oliver and their incredible
chemistry in their relationship. It's called like the illicity factor,
like people started calling them that, and it just goes
(23:52):
to show that sometimes chemistry and I honestly believe that
these characters all exist somewhere in like a fictional realm,
and sometimes they just have their own idea of where
they're going to go, and even the writers who are
creating them can't stop it.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, call the scientist and have you.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Watched the last few seasons Arrow, since it seems to
be a favorit.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't recall watching any of it. You know, all
of that, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You're like bringing up like little Deer, how am I
doing that? Well, they end up having like children, they
end up aging in a way, aging some there's death,
there's other world. There's their daughter fights alongside them in
the end of the world. Yeah, it's a whole huge thing,
like literally, you know how like all of a sudden
(24:37):
when you're watching a TV show and all of a sudden,
this unexpected romance pops up and it just becomes your
entire life, Like all you want to do home, go
home and watch it. And then like you watch like
certain scenes over and over and over again from it,
and it's not even that. It's like like Aara doesn't
have like any sex scenes or anything like that. It's
not that type of show, but it just the chemistry
is so good that it like surpasses everything else. And
(25:01):
again it was, yeah, well, at least go back and
watched the first couple of seasons where like the slogann
of their relationship, all of the hooks up with Laurel's sister,
Sarah Lance, because that's the whole thing. He was cheating
on her. It's kind of like regretting you. He's when
he gets stuck on the island. He was on a
boat with her sister. And then she comes back and
she becomes a superhero. Then she goes off to lead
(25:21):
her own superhero show. It's a whole thing. It's a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I think I've seen it in like proxy with other
shows because there's a lot of crossovers.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
With Yeah, every season they started doing those crossover The
multiverse got to make that money so good, so you
have like the character.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Brothers cousins.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I can't stress enough how much Robbie mel is not
part of the.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Shit dies quite early.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
He leaves, he becomes he's in the flash, yes, and
he takes off. He gets killed when they're in, goes
off yet and.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
She's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, but then she hooks.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Up with.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But begging you to like not help, sorry, but yeah,
the olicity factor. I'd never seen anything like it. I
even saw like when that was building up so much,
all these book editors and publishers on Twitter like putting
out calls for writers. They're like this, anyone have an
elicity of romance, send it to us, because like the
fan of was someone tense. They're like, this is our
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time to like put books not about those particular characters,
but a similar type of story. They're like, this is
what everyone wants to read. This kind of like complete
opposites attract slow, bad kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And so if we can add that to our list
of like Transformers fan fiction.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, the next book that we're gonna write after we
write our Transformers smart which we promised in last week,
we can watch.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, this last one I have. I feel like everyone's
going to agree with this, yes, Like you can't deny
these people didn't have chemistry, except it's a really sad
one because the characters don't end up together, and everyone
was just I don't know a single person who didn't
cry at the end of this Fleabag oh yeah, Fleabag
(27:01):
and the hot Priest, Yeah, I almost.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I don't know if I was upset that they didn't
end up together because I saw that for them, oh
my God, to be together. I think that he just
came into her life at the time when she kind
of needed something, and he just gave her something she needed.
But I never saw them as endgame.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
No, I'm obsessed with them. I just love them together.
I wanted every scene.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
To be with Tell in case anyone hasn't seen it,
can you set the scene a bit since she told
the plot of the show for me that you hadn't
seen before. Do you know how can you tell the
plot of a show you have seen multiple times? So
that wasn't meant to be a trick question.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So the main character, Phoebe Ola Bridge plays Fleabag.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
She's in her thirties, I think, yep.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
And she's gone acting like you've never seen the show now,
and I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Quite confused on what the show's about. It kind of
goes through her life and she has a very messy life.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And she makes a hot priest and then the hot
priest is like, can I give up the church to
be with you? And then he can't. He can't give
up God because.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
The idea of Fleabag is like, yeah, she's going through
like these huge family traumas and like life traumas, and
life is messy and things are difficult, and she talks
to the camera and she like lives in her own world.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
She breaks the fault.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
She lives in a world where nowhere else can see her,
where she sees herself as a different character, and then
the priest is the only one who really sees her.
He sees her. He notices when she does that, when
she goes into her own world, when she disassociates, and
he pulls her out of it, and it goes on
to show her that she doesn't have to live in
that world by herself, that if she finds the right person,
and it's not him, but if she finds the right person,
(28:32):
she can let someone into this world she's created. Did
you never pick that up before?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It is No. My favorite scene is an opening scene
where like she's like breaking the fourth wall, addressing the
camera like in her own world, and she's like, no
one's asked me a question in forty five minutes, and
as he cuts her off and he's like, so what
do you do? And I was like, oh my god,
that is hot.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It is hot.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And that's like the first thing you ever see them interacting,
the first time you ever see them interact, and you're like,
that is the hottest thing.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Doesn't that go to show just like how low the
bar is? Like women just want men to ask my
question and actually be interested in it now and then,
and it can just be what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
She was like, I love you and he was like,
it'll pass, it'll pass, And I got a gas out
of Georgie.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I know we're going to kill our producer.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
To watch the show again, I always have to watch
season one though, because season two is too sad.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
When he says it will pass, I think what he
means is not like this was nothing, you'll get over it.
He means it'll pass on to someone else. I know
this feeling that you have for it, And he's doing that.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
For her, Yeah, because he loves her too.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He loves her too. They just know that that's not.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Their pH God, why do you have to do that?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Such good TV? And then Phoebe roller Bridge disappeared into
the world and does not mean.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Anything, meant to be a mister and missus Smith.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, but they had created differences, which with your favorite person. Yeah,
don't glover, how do you pick a side?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Good chemistry with everyone?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I know it's not her. Yeah, yeah, it's okay, don't know.
She's She's given us enough. I know she is working
on things. I think everyone's just looking for that next
huge project. It's coming, it's coming.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I just love them together, flee back.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I've watched it in so long. It came out so
long ago, seven years something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I know, I really wanted another season.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think she's so good at knowing when to end stuffy.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, she knew because she could have got like a
five year deal.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
For that show she did before that with Jonathan Bailey
and when they were all living in that hospital. Yeah,
and it was like one season or something. And she
just knows when to end it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I never know it when to end anything. Every episode
is probably two hours.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The rest of it.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I have Phoebe wall Abridge here to teach us how
to edit. Okay, okay, I saved my favorite one for
the end.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I know, I know you're so excited for it.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Excited, So I do think you know, I want to
say that's a chose at the scene. So everyone thinks
that Kristen Bell and Adam Brody have such good chemistry
in Nobody wants this season two, But I have a
show with much better chemistry which also stars Kristin Bell.
Just in case you're looking for that Kristin Bell with who, Well,
the show is for Ronic Kamas because the name of
(31:06):
the man will mean nothing to you. That's fair. So
I have talked about Veronica and Miles on this pod
before because obviously it's my whole existence. It ran for
three seasons back in the very early two thousands. It
was Kristen Bell's first big acting role. It's the role
that made her stuff. And when I say it, tell
(31:26):
you the premise. You've never watched it, right, But can
I just say, I think you should watch it now
because you would love it. Okay, you really would.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It's so good to start a list on my phone.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yes, I can't believe in all the years we've known
each other, you don't have that already.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I know. I know that's actually really bad on my part,
but look at me right now, I'm going to be.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Like you're making a listen just says watch for shows that.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
LB wants me to watch.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And you know what I should do, and then put
the OC on there.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Okay, I want you to watch.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I'm not telling you to watch every one of my
favorite shows. I only recommend shows I think you'll genuinely like,
and yeah, hold up, you're very good and that will
hold up over twenty years late.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But you know what I think I should do, not
tell you when I watched that and then just start
like inserting like inside like like you just did. But
I don't know where I came from. I actually genuinely
don't know what happened there.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
No, but I want to watch the first episode with
you your reaction. But you can watch Ronica Mars about me.
That's okay, because that's more of like a lot slow
burd It's not like the pilot sets everything.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So Ronni kahmas So Kristin Bell plays Ronicka Mamrs. And
she's a high school student living in this tiny town
of Neptune, which is very much like half the pepper tune,
Yep chune yeap, half love it. You're impressed with that.
Just half the people in the town are filthy, filthy rich, right,
huge mansions, multiple homes, fancy cars, and the other people
(32:45):
are the yeah, and the other people like the kind
of working class people who work in the restaurants and
serve them. Kristin Bell plays Ronni Kammas, a high school student.
Her dad's a police officer, and all the kids are
in together with the local high school because even though it's.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Like high school, both the rich kids and haw kids.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And Ronni Khamas falls in love with Duncan, the son
of the richest people in town.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
He's the richest person in down Well.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And also they're just like they're very like meant to be,
kind of like, you know, from two different worlds, madly
in love.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And she's like working class.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, yeah, she's working class. Her dad's a local sheriff.
And she says in the pilot, gives me a certain
amount of cachet because her dad's a local sheriff. But
she's still not like living in a mansion like her
friendship group is.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he's kind of like that sheriff who stopped justin
Tim Blake in.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The Yeah, he's exactly like that. Yes, and then she's
also best friends with Duncan's sister, Lily feed for her
plague by Amanda Seafried.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh I love a man. Yeah, she said, well, and
that's good because then when they do play dates together,
like Duncan will be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean they are teenagers, not doing all to play dates,
so their idellic well kind of gets shut again. This
is all a spoiler. This is in the first few
seconds of the show and makes up the entire universe.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Are you allowed to date your best friend's brother?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
They were okay with it, so that was the thing. Well,
it actually doesn't matter that much because in the first
episode she dies. Lily is killed. She just dies. Oh no,
they dunkin gets.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I was like, I'm so excited to enjoy her acting
in this whole series.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
She does pop up was like a memory a lot through,
but she's clearly being murdered. She's lying by the like
Veronica a really treading. Duncan and Veronica both see her
because Duncan gets home finds her body. She's lying outside
by the pool. She's clearly being killed because she's been
struck on the head. Veronica's dad, Keith Mars, the local sheriff,
(34:30):
gets the call that Veronica, sorry something, please stop helping. Sorry,
just like explain this.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
We're already like a minute. This is what I can't
even help with. I actually have nothing. Nothing's coming to mind.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, yeah, because you definitely. And then Veronica also finds
the body because her dad. Her dad gets called to
investigate the murder, and she runs and sees Lily's body.
The whole town is traumatized. Lily's ex boyfriend, Logan, who's
also Duncan's best friends they were a little foursome girl
like Dawson's Creek. Yeah, yeah, they were like a little
foursome group, is also devastated. And then she Mars. The
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sheriff says, he points the finger at the family, and
it's like they did it inside a job. Yeah. It's
found to be not true when it goes to the courts,
and then Keith loses his job and the whole town
shuns them. Duncan and Veronica break up, and so Keith
Mars becomes a private detective. In that chune, her mum leaves,
Ronica's Mom's like I can't deal with that.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
She just leaves.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's just the two of them together, and then Veronica
is like she takes off. Yeah, Veronica is an outcast, embarrassing.
No one will speak to her, no one will look
at her, and so she becomes like also a private detective,
like she helps her dad.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
But then she's like Nancy Drew vibe.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
And Kristen mel is so good in this role. Anyway,
getting to the romance. Okay, so the show was initially
set up that Duncan and Veronica as they kind of
found out who killed Lily and who killed Lily is
the biggest reveal you find out in the last episode
of season Who was it? I'm not telling you one.
You have to watch it, you mu have it just
hyped up. The show was one of the best shows
ever and they just ruined.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But you find out at the end of season one.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
There's three seasons, a movie which was funded by the fans,
including me, and then yeah, I did I guess I
gave him money. I was in high school, so they
only give him like fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Oh my god, And you know what that would have
made all the difference.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And the movie got made, and then it came back
as a TV show later on, which we will talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, getting to the chemistry.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
How did you did you send her a fifty dollar note?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
No, they didn't know. Kristen Bell got on her socials
and she was like, hey, Marshmallows, that's what you got.
That's the fans.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Wait, how old were you?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Eight nineteen picture it was. They crowd funded it. That
was the time of crowdfunding movies. Now that would just
want on a stream up, but that wasn't the thing
back then. So like, if you wanted to make them
the show, the fans had to fund it. Oh wow,
and they sent your poster.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We funded it? Wow, No regrets. I'd give them more
money if I had, I did. I didn't have any
money to give anyway, And then it came back as
a TV show like maybe six years ago or something
like that. Anyway, So the whole show is that the
Duncan and Veronica are endgame that they will find their
way back to each other once they have kind of
figured out who killed his sister. The whole thing of
(37:10):
his dad blaming the parents. At the same time, there's
Logan Eccles, who is Duncan, Duncan's best.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Friend or the best friend who was with Lily, and.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Lily's boyfriend who was with her when he died. And
when the whole thing happens, and Ronnie, he gets shunned.
Logan hates her and she hates him because they never
really got along, but they were dating siblings, so they
were kind of forced to hang out together. But after
they hate each other. And there's so many times where
like she sets him up for things and he like
torments her at school and it goes yeah and on
(37:39):
and on. There's actually real scoobodoo vibes to this show.
It's very much like I wouldn't have gotten away, but
it was a few damn jeans. It's Lily.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
She takes her own death. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Anyway, slowly, slowly, slowly over time, especially the end of
season one, we're trying to figure out who the killer is.
Logan and Ronica, who were never meant to be together,
the writers and Oma, they kids start to fall in love,
enemy still lovers, the ultimate enemies lovers, And I think
I don't say this lightly. I thought a lot about it.
This is my favorite couple on TV. I've never seen
(38:17):
chemistry like it before. I've never seen a build up.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
It's just like all bad boy's name Logan, I know.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
And also it's a terrible message, like you shouldn't form
of a guy that publicly torments you for years. Yeah,
you shouldn't. He starts and that's fun. They obviously have
like a rocky kind of road over the years. But
there's this moment in season one. It's the most romantic
thing I have ever ever seen. So they had the
long hating each other. Then they had to sort of
come together to you know, because Duncan goes on the
(38:44):
run and they're trying to find out like Lily's killers
just hold them. They had to start working together, like
begrudgingly working together, and then they slowly start to fall
in love. They share the most epic kiss when Logan
comes to save Veronic Kirk because he thinks that she's
in trouble and she kind of is in trouble, and
then they have this incredible kiss that's just been building
up for ages, and they start secretly seeing each other.
(39:04):
They can't tell anyone because she's like shunned at school.
His family hate her. All the other families hate her,
like her dad never approved because he's like he's a
bad guy. They have to keep it secret. And so
one night they're at his house and they walk into
his house, turn the lights, and the whole school is
there because they're there for a surprise party for Logan.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Because it's his birthday.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that's part of the stock.
I guess I didn't know, but it was like, all
of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
They see you there, and I was like, oh my god.
She didn't know.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
They were like and they were like, Logan, what are
you doing with her? Like she's all and she kind
of steps back because she's like, no way, he's going
to tell the whole school. And he's like his parents
are like the community that we're together, Like this is
the end of the road he's going to Like so
Roonicanda steps back in and said that she's going to lose,
and he just like looks around and he goes, why no,
we're on a podcast, so I'm just gonna say. He
(39:55):
reaches his hand over, reaches his hand back to her
and just looks at her, and then he's like, doesn't
take my hand, and then he pulls her hand in
and puts his arm around her and he's like, Ronica
and I are together and in front of everyone, and
then his best friend, Dick cassiblanc has comes home and
he's like, wait, what happened to Duncan. Well, he's not
here at the time. Actually, he's at the back of
the room.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
We find out best friends.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
He's the only one and he's like, dude, don't tell
me you're with that girl. She's the worst. And he's like,
get out of my house. And he's like, if anyone
else has a problem with this, get out of my house,
because you've got a problem with ronic, You've got a
problem with me.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And they all leave, some of them do well.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Duncan leaves, Oh Duncan, and then he choses after him.
It's the whole thing, but he ran away, and then
the whole show then becomes about them. So they're together
for season one. They have some issues in season two,
then they go to college in season three and it's
all about them being together and it's just the chemistry
is so incredible. Then it cuts to a few years later.
The movie Self Funded by Me comes out, and they're
(40:48):
broken up at the start of that, but then she
he calls her back to Neptune because he's been framed
for murder, and over time they sort of get back together.
No no, no, they different murder because it's the murder
of his current girlfriend. Yeah yeah, and he's like, they
haven't spoken for like.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
A girlfriends keep dying.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, that's what people say. And then they're like, He's like,
you're the only one who can help me. So he
flies her back to Neptune and she helps him and
they fall in love. And then we come to the
TV show that came out a few years ago, the reboot,
where they're like Logan and Veronica are like both fully
adults in my late thirties there together. I'm just gonna
tell you what the end of this show did to me.
I'm watching the whole new season of Ronnick Cars. Is
(41:30):
the best thing that's ever happened to me. I never
thought I'd see these characters again on screen. I can't
believe that I'm so lucky in life that this has
happened to me. And I have one episode left to
watch of the new Veronica Mars series, and I've got
a film something for work the next day, So go
put a fake tan on the fake tans. It can
only be on for an hour, right, that's great, the
episode's forty minutes. I've got plenty of time. I watched
this episode. This is like my old old apartment, where
(41:52):
like the balcony was also a kitchen. So I'm just
sitting with my I didn't have a TV. I'm setting
with my little laptop and I'm watching it and it
is the most upsetting thing that has ever ever ever
happened in a TV show in a bad way. Yeah,
in the worst possible way. And then when it finished,
I've never anything like it for a TV character. I
sold like my whole body was sobbing, and I sobbed
(42:14):
and sobbed and sobbed on my couch for about three hours.
Every time I tried to like collect myself. I didn't
even cry this badly into The Walking Dead or Buffy,
but I think it was just so shocking and I
couldn't believe it had happened. And then I was like,
oh shit, I was meant to watch my tan off
and I didn't watch it. I went in the bathroom,
was too late. The next day at work, I was
radioactive orange. So every time I looked down at my hands,
and remember this isn't the old Wetworth Avenue office, just
(42:36):
a pain a scene in you and everyone could see, Yes,
that's a whole office was open. Every time I looked
down and saw my orange hands, I cried again because
it reminded me of what had happened that before. And
then because I was on a different TV podcast at
the time, the one we had prior to this, and
we had to film some videos and you can check
that this happened because it was your friend that was
filming a ready.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
We had to film like a reaction to this show.
And then we went into the old boardroom with the
old old Mummer office, you know with the colored poles,
and we were seeing there filming and then she was like,
and now I react to this scene, this scene and stuff.
And then I like, yeah, yep, yep, because we're doing
these videos. And then we went to the end scene
and she's like, are you gonna say anything? You're doing anything?
And she's like, oh my god, are you crying. I'm
just like burst into tears. So that's on camera.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I want to see that, well, I don't know where
it is. I don't believe anything.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So so I just I just I tell all that
that story, not to be self indulgent, but just to
let you know, and all the fans right now, I
want to want so all the fans had that reaction.
So I just want to try to explain what this
particular TV romance has meant to people.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, and that's no, that's actually such a good ad
for that show, I know, right, So it's like you
have to sit with me watching the first episode of
that oc in the last episode of RONI mmar, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I mean again, I know we're talking about just the romance,
but Veronic Kmas is just one of the greatest shows ever.
The writing's so good, she's so good in it. But
like that slow burned romance is like, oh.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I love chemistry.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
It's so good. And Kristen Bell still says this day
that she's never had chemistry with anyone like she had
chemistry with Jason Doring, who plays Logan to s them together, Yeah,
it's when you look at them, you're just like, yeah,
it's nothing to their looks. It's just there. They're both hot,
but like it's the chemistry on that show, and Kristin
Bell hashaid she's never had chemistry like that with anyone else.
Oh she hasn't said it, but not even Adam Brody.
(44:17):
Like Adam Brodie doesn't hold especially not at it. Adam
Brodie doesn't hold a candle to this.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Oh I know him. He's in Sealed team.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
He's great at actions, helpful facts. So any way, that
is nice. I'm going to cry again. I feel like
I just lived through that again, but I can't. The
first time they kissed, I literally I remember like being
on like the floor of my teenage bedroom and I
literally like fell onto the floor and was like I
couldn't even scream, and my sister has what's happening? Like
it was so unexpected, like you kind of knew it
(44:48):
was coming, and be like they're not gonna do it,
They're not gonna do it, and then they did it.
And then after that, romance on TV has never been
the same. WHOA, Yeah, myself is dressed headache with this
conversation and I've got a headache now, and then the
rest of the day off, we're too overstimulated from this conversation.
So that is the TV couple with the best chemistry.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh my god, I'm so excited to watch all these
sh I.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Can't wait for you to watch Fronticamas. You'll just love it.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
And now I have to rewatch Bridges him and you.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Have to allegedly watch Arrow for the first time, even.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Though what's been there. I was actually it's like that
was part of the Arrow verse. Whatever happened to me?
You're right there. I had an epiphany.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
It's like you watched it and someone erased it from
your mind somewhere.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Like it's actually freaking me out. No recollection of ever
watching now, all.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
These little bits and pieces that you wouldn't know from
just watching a weird clip here and there makes me
uncomfortable talk about it, to think about it. But anyway,
that is our TV characters with the best chemistry. If
you're looking for something once you finished Nobody Wants the
season two and you're looking for something else to delve into, and.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Make sure you do watch Nobody Wants This season two,
which came out yesterday, because we are going to be
doing a broodly honest review on it on Friday, so
stay tuned because that's obviously you're going to be spoilers. Well,
thank you, so much for listening to this bill today.
If you love our show, the best thing you can
do is give us a five star ratings and review
wherever you listen. We'll be back on Monday with Morning
(46:08):
Tea at eight am. This bill is produced by Minicious
Wire and sound production by Scotstronic. Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Bye bye h
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