July 16, 2025 • 38 mins
Today on The Spill, we’re halfway through the new season so we're bringing you a special episode all about And Just Like That - unpacking what’s working, what’s flopping, and spoiler alert: there are things we don't agree on.
Plus, Sarah Jessica Parker just confirmed a long-rumoured romance from her past, and the man in question has now weighed in. We unpack the reveal, and what this all means for the most famously private woman in pop culture.
So whether you're a Carrie defender, an AJLT doomscroller, or just here for the SJP chaos... this one’s for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Ku and I'm Laura Brudnick, and today.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We are going through a little bit of and just
like that, we are midway through the season. But we
have heard you guys, and you wanted a bit of
a brutally honest review, but we can't do that yet,
so we're just going to do a mid season check in.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But first, but first, Sarah Jessica Parker Carrie Bradshaw herself
has just been on Watch What Happens Live with Andy
Cohen this week and there's a few kind of interesting takeaways.
So it was actually really cute because Andy Cohen and
Sarah Jessica Parker are super super close friends. They have
been for many decades. She'd been over at his house
having cocktails the night before. Like, that's like my dream pairing.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I would love to be friends with Andy Cohen.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I would honestly not get into such interviewed him once
and I feel like I didn't. It was okay, but
I feel like I could have brought more to the table.
I've come to love him more since I interviewed him. Anyway,
So Sarah Jesica Parker, she's on the show. It's really cute.
They were talking about their love of sex and City
and their friendship and then he threw this one little,
like very short question in there, which compared to everything
(01:34):
else she was talking at the show, was only meant
to be a very throwaway moment. And you can see
also Sarah Jedica Parker is quite careful with a lot
of the media she does, and you could tell that
she had only agreed to be on this show because
if you haven't watched What Happens Live, it can get
very messy, Like he asked some big questions. He you know,
he also gets like different people, like audience members or
different people to call him with questions, so like really
(01:56):
scandalous things can be asked. It always doesn't come back
on Andy Cohen. But with Sarah Jessica Parker, they have
been friends for so long, they obviously pre agreed that
nothing scandalous was going to be asked. It was all
going to be just very light and fun, so that
was nice, but there was one question where he said her,
did you ever date Nicholas Cage. Now, this has been
a rumor bubbling around for over thirty years.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yes, so it started in ninety six when they did
their wrong com honey moon in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So yes, it was a wrong com and I think
was like fairly well received at the time, and there
was always this kind of whispering that they had hooked up,
they had dated Sarah Jessica Parker has never really denied
nor confirmed, at least on such a big platform. And
then she just very like nonchalantly just was like yeah.
And then Andy Cohen, her best friend of over twenty years,
was like really, like he was even shocked, and like,
(02:43):
I don't know if he was shocked that she said
it so casually or that he was shocked that she
just was, you know, so easily like giving up that information.
And then she kind of was like, yeah, you knew that,
and then he was like, oh my gosh, we have
to talk. We have to talk. It's such a fleeting second,
like it passed so quickly, and it kind of did
the like the headline rounds afterwards of everyone being like,
oh my god, Rarah, you know Sarahisca Parker Dave Nicholas Cage,
(03:06):
and it would have died there. It would have died
and ended. But Nicholas Cage least a statement because he's
obviously seen the clip, and I know people were reaching
out to him, but I just I'm just gonna tell
you what he said, because wow, he said I cared
about Sarah, but I don't think I passed the mum test.
I recall sitting down with her and her mother for
dinner at the Russian Tea Room, and I don't know
(03:28):
if it was my blue vans and leather motorcycle jacket,
which I still have, or my sinocytis, but I didn't
hear from her again. So much to unpack the.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I love this so much. Nicholas Cage is so weird
and I have always like he's just a very odd guy,
which makes him very appealing to watch.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, and the best kind of movie star. We want
our movie stars to be odd and eccentric and like
all those things, like that's what we want.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's just he's just really funny. He also looks a
little bit like my brother, which always makes me look
kill like young Nicholas Cage. He's not like current Nicholas Cage.
My brother's only like thirty seven. But I just think
it's really funny. But do you know what I think
he's even funnier is that the fact that they dated
and the guys she dated as Matthew Brodery because she's
still with which is really sweet.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That is really sweet.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But it's funny that he talks about not passing the
mom test. Yeah, because I don't think Nicholas Cage would
pass any mum test.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
No, and especially I mean, I don't know a huge
amount about Sarah Jessica Parker's mum, but I know that
she raised about ten or so children in New York,
and she put Sarah Jessica to work very very early,
Like she was on Broadway when she was a very
tiny child, and her income was like supporting her family,
and her mum was the one who organized for her
to like get these auditions and be a child stuff.
So I feel like her mom's a real like kind
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of go get her with that many kids in New
York and also making her daughter a star, So I'm
assuming that she would have been very intimidating. My whole
thought on this is like you could have just said nothing,
but then you would be Nicholas Cage. But it paints
him in such a bad light, almost like he went
to dinner with not in a ballot and tear away,
but he was just like talking about still having his
other jacket and then he had Cyanidis. Like that's it again.
(05:04):
Details we didn't need. I'm so glad we have them.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But I feel like it's just Nicholas Cage. She's a
bit quirky, he's a bit of a weird dude, and
like that's him, just like kind of throwing it off.
I think it's actually kind of cute because he's he's
like I cared about her, but you know she didn't
like me enough, so sobey it. And I mean, this
is ninety six, it's a really long time ago.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
No, No, I just love Nicholas Cage because he has
had like new movies and things coming out recently. And
I just imagined his PR team going through all the
requests for comment, because you know, anytime at Outlet runs
a story like this, they'll then say we have reached
out to their reps for comment, and most of those
emails go unanswered and unopen. So I just imagine them
being like, oh, you've had a request for this, We've
had a request for this. Oh we've had a request
(05:43):
for did you date Sarah Jessica Parker. Instead of him
saying no comment or just not responding, which is the
normal thing to do because then they can't say anything
to the story, he sat down, I'm assuming that his
little typewriter or something like that, and he typed out
the words I still have that leather jacket and I
had cyanidis And basically Sarah Jessica Parker ghosted me instead
of leaving that in drafts he could send I love it.
(06:05):
I want both of those two crazy kids now to
like be on Watch What Happens Live and like that
would just that would be I just want to hear
both of all their stories. And like, also, someone from
Sarahisca Parker's family needs to now come out, like one
of her siblings and comment on what happened, because I
feel like bringing the mum into it, who's obviously now
passed away. I just feel like someone from the family
needs to come out and defend her on her.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I feel like SJP has definitely one with Matthew Broderick, though,
like oh yeah, like the producers. Yeah, like Matthew brought
a Rick.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, they're very quintessential New York I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I love them and you know Broadway bad Way Stars.
So we are midway through season three of and just
like that, and normally we wait till the end of
the season to do a brutally honest review, but we've
had so many dms and comments saying that you guys
just can't wait to talk about it. And it was
so funny because over the weekend I actually messaged Laura
(06:57):
and I was like, I've no one to talk about
this with what the hell is going on in this season?
We want to unpack a couple of things. There won't
be any spoilers past episode seven, so we're only going
up to episode seven, which is Lett's birthday.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Party, Yes, which is the episode that came out last week,
So don't worry if you haven't seen the episode from
this week. We're not touching on that.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes, So up to the Charlotte's birthday party, and we
kind of just want to unpack a couple of different things. Now.
We have spoken about, you know, the glaringly obvious plothole
of Lisa's dad, Billy Dee Williams dying twice. We're gonna
just sort of push that off to the side for now,
But I really wanted to talk to you about something
that's been kind of gnawing at me. Yes, And I
(07:37):
was looking online and I couldn't see anyone else who
would It's in Reddit threads and stuff, but I hadn't
seen any like big outlets talking about this, and I
wanted to run it by you because I know that
you're a big like Sex and the City, yeah, and
just like that connoisseur.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah. Well, I mean it's half my personality.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, So what is going on with Miranda's character Miranda
and Carrie. Carrie seems to be quite mean to Miranda
and also Miranda. It's almost like Carrie's really embarrassed by her.
There's a couple of bits that I want to point out.
First of all, when Miranda moves in with Carrie, moves
(08:16):
in quote unquote, she like comes and stays with her.
Carrie then yells at her and tells her to take
her shoes off. But Carrie doesn't have to take her
shoes off because she goes, I know how to walk
in them. Rude.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But also potentially factually accurate.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, but kind of like mean I mean, yeah. And
then Miranda's been kind of a terrible house guest by
you know, eating her yogurt and putting stuff all over
the desk and drinking her last Mexican coke, but also
Carrie's They've known each other for like thirty years. Why
not just be honest with your friend rather than having
this very like passive aggressive response. That's my feeling.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I totally understand what you're saying. And like I said,
everyone knows that I'm very invested in the show. I
watch every episode three times. So I got a lot
of messages about this, and I was trying to sort
of pinpoint what people were upset about, because they are
like not perfect people. They're meant to be real human beings,
so they have flaws and things. But maybe it did
seem I think what people are struggling with in the
last three seasons. And then just like that is that
(09:15):
people have a very definitive idea of who these characters
were from when Sex and the City was on our
screens over twenty years ago, and I think it's a
culmination of a few different things. Is like one that
obviously they're much older now, so that, like their characters
are different. It's a completely different mostly a different writing team.
A few people from the original series, but mostly it's
different writers. And I also think that a lot of
(09:36):
the actresses who are on the show also produces, and
it seems like they, especially Sara Jascea Parker, have like
a lot of sway over what's being said, more so
than the original season. So I'm one of their pushing
in that direction. It's hard because the Miranda and Carrie
being roommate situation is something that fans have wanted ever since.
Miranda has sold the iconic brownstone that they bought at
the end of Sex and the City and has been
(09:58):
kind of apartment hopping, Like we wanted these two best
friends together, and it was hard to watch them kind
of have these fights straight away. And I do understand
the whole thing with Carrie. It's hard because part of
me is like, has she just lived alone? But she's not.
It hasn't been living on that long.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
But I think it's It's also a lot to do
with as you get older, you get more sent in
your ways, and I understand. I think that's a really
big part of it. I think that's very accurate.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And the other thing is like, I know some people
are saying that they were acting like strangers when Carrie
was like giving back my yoga, give me my banana,
do this, do that. But also I think you have
to remember Miranda is her family, Like is that how
you would talk to a sibling. That's why I think
Miranda is as in her chosen family, her best friend.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But this is forty years but this is my point.
It was so passive aggressive. If that were my sister
or my brother, I'd be like, are you freaking kidding me?
That was my life, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeh?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But look how Miranda's dress later when they accidentally spill
the coke on the table, only because like the scarf's
getting ruined and stuff. But look at Miranda, like that's
exactly how a sister acts, Like one of your sisters
is like attacking you, and she barely looks up. And
like when Carrie goes, oh did you do that while
you were eating my banana or a Maranda's like yeah,
like they're acting like sisters.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
She seems like oblivious to it, and she's like.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I just think she's seen Carrie spiral so many times
that was like literally naughty even worth a reaction from her.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And then when she brings like the karaoke machine and
the balloons and carries like rolling her eyes, and I
just felt like, why is Miranda like all of a
sudden in this pushover and the bit where I saw
that really at the end of the birthday party, Charlotte's
birthday party, they're in the kitchen, Miranda's sitting there and
(11:33):
she talks about Duncan, the writer who lives downstairs who
started the whole no shoes thing, which I thought Carrie
was really freaking rude for not taking her shoes off.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It sober she only wears shoes at home, like she
only wears high heels.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Take your freaking shoes off. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Character. I loved the shoe montage, I've got to say,
and what I would just say is more of that.
I want to see all of those outfits. I loved
it too.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I love that she wears she.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Was going somewhere. I was like, is she's stomping around
that house on her heels like a crazy woman and
never leaving the house.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Maybe very upset? I don't love that for her anyway,
Miranda goes, you know, I saw you and Duncan talking.
I can see some you know, flirtation, and then Carrie
jumps down her throat and he's going, you don't know
what you're talking about. I'm with Aiden, Aiden and I
have twenty year history. Don't try and talk to me
about relationships when you've been with this girl for a
couple of weeks. And Miranda backs off, which I don't
(12:24):
think is very Miranda. I think Miranda original Miranda would
have gone like remember when she was like, did not
like Alexander Petrowski.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, but she really didn't want her to move to
Paris with that man, and that man, as far as
she could tell, was treating her friend.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That and she actively disliked Big and told.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, she just liked him till the end. Then when
she was like, go get our girl.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And then remember she told Carrie she was being horrible
for cheating on Aiden the first time.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
With Big, I mean to an extent, she was kind
of okay with it. She was just like, I need
a cigarette?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Is she kind of like, but she was the only
one that kind of told her off a little bit. Yeah,
So I just I think I just missed that pushback
from Miranda a little bit. She felt very passive to me.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think that's hard with the jump from Sexy and
City into Just Like That, is that all of the
characters are like maybe a bit more sanitized. And it's
hard because at the beginning of and Just Like That,
it was like Miranda was always in these situations where
they kind of made it look like a little bit
like an idiot, and we're really kind of not remembering
little things from the original season that made her her
character when they're like, oh, she doesn't listen to podcasts
(13:35):
and she doesn't do this and that, and it's like, no, no,
she would be like the DNA of her character. She'd
be the one who was like listening to every podcast,
especially the gossip ones, because she loves like salacious gossip
and stuff. So it's like someone came in who had
watched like the clips of Sex and City but not
the actual show. But then as it's gone along, I
thought they'd found their footing a bit more. But I
think it's more that her character is stuck in this
(13:55):
weird place that we don't like, rather than not liking
the actual character. Actually think it's her storyline now that
I think of her carry But I think I think
Miranda maybe in reaction to what's going on, because Miranda
sort of has needed some redemption because when she started
the first season, it was all about her breaking up
her marriage with Steve, which fans really hated. And then
(14:16):
she was in all these situations where she kind of
looked like a bit of a dofist and she was
doing dumb things, and she was trying to be a
white savior, and so she looked a bit dumb, and
so then she's had a bit of redemption. But maybe
where she's come out fans don't like. But I actually
think with Carrie, people who were saying, like she's not
acting like herself is they don't like this place that
she's stuck in because she's kind of stuck in this
loop with Aiden. She's stuck in this big house. She
(14:38):
has so much money, she doesn't need to work anymore.
She's kind of like this other worldly creature outside of
the Carrier we knew like to an extent.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if if Aiden's being
very fair to her either, Like I think I'm sure
she's maybe that outburst to Miranda was a bit of like,
you know when your friend tells you do exactly stupid
and you know you've done something stupid, and so you
get angry because you feel guilty that you've done something stupid.
It's almost like it's an awareness thing. It's like someone
putting up a mirror to your face and you're going, oh, okay.
(15:07):
It's almost like she she felt it, she knew she
was doing something wrong. Kind of yeah, but you didn't
want to be called out on it. Yeah, so maybe
there's that kind of thing. But yeah, I just I
was feeling really like torn about the relationship between them,
just because I felt like Miranda was always like the
outcast of the four girls. What I always thought Miranda
(15:29):
was not outcast in terms of the relationship, Yeah, outcast
in terms of relationships, outcasting in terms of you know what.
I was like, I'm a Samantha, You're a call No
one ever wanted to be the Miranda.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well yeah, that was you know. Well also that was
the whole movement of Yet when the show started, You're right,
no one wanted to be Miranda. And it was when
they started doing those sex in the City tours in
New York, which I've never done but actually really want
to do where you ride around the bus and you
go to all the stops and you go to Magnolia.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
House and I went to Magnolia Oh, well.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, I've been to those things. So I haven't done
like the proper tour that takes you around, No, but
I feel like I need to at one stage, so
stay tuned for that, guys. But there were like gift
shop points along that tour at one stage, and people
would go and you could buy all of the different
things that were for the girls, like you could buy
like a carry sticker or like Charlotte cookie, and people
have said that, like all the Miranda stuff when the
show was on would just be left on the shelves,
(16:15):
like no one wanted to be a Miranda. And then
it was actually the girls who, well ladies who. They
now host the Every Outfit podcast and they have the
Every Outfit on Sex and City Instagram. They wrote a
book why we Should all be Miranda's And I feel
like that kind of moved the needle a little bit
on people loving her and wanting to be her, but.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Not in and just like that, Well that's why Sex
and Sy finished on a reflection bat. You know, she
had those great power suits, she was a lawyer, she
was a partner. She kind of like didn't take anyone's
shit like that is kind of the Miranda that I
really liked. But I just feel like, and it's probably
a lot to do with her rediscovering her sexuality at
almost sixty, Like she's it's obviously a new experience for her,
(16:57):
So I understand that aspect of the character. I just
I miss seeing that strength and no nonsense attitude from Miranda.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I think maybe from an extent, it all start
kind of like coming back. I feel like we're on
that way back now that she's like on this other
side of all this stuff she went to that we're
going back into. But it's interesting because, like you just
it's hard with and just like that because now people
are sort of saying, like this season has become like
a surrealist comedy is what they're kind of saying. And
I always think you have to sort of let go
(17:28):
of what you're expecting and watch with that lens. And
I'm not upset by the outfits, although I know some
people are saying, like, obviously the hat was crazy. Sometimes
the thing is like every episode I feel like as
a grab bag. Like some episodes, it feels like these
characters are not the women that we grew up with,
and then you have these moments where it shines through
so strongly, Like an episode recently, it ended with Carrie
(17:51):
and Charlotte standing in the grocery store, you know, when
Carrie comes up to her and like she doesn't know
she's there and she's buying the depends for Harry because
of his cancer, and they just break down. They hug
and just like the way they talked and the way
they looked at each other, and I was like, that
scene just feels like it's so these women that we've
known for so long, and it just came across as
women who had been friends for decades and decades and decades,
(18:13):
And I was like, those moments in the show were there,
they're just maybe smaller.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I think Charlotte is the most true to her original
Kristin Davis. I think when she came back for season one,
it took her a minute to get back into the character,
which is understandable it'd been, however, many years. But now
she's so Charlotte. She's so true to who Charlotte was
in the trade days and you know the way how
(18:38):
much she loves Harry. Yeah, Like I love Charlotte so much,
I think, yeah, you know, I think Kristin Davis has
to really like she should really pat herself on the
back because after all of that, you know, backlash in
the first season where people were like, what the hell's
going on with Kristen Davis, She's really gotten back into
the groove of it and she is Charlotte, and I
(19:00):
really enjoy seeing her and Harry and how much they
love each other. And it's so funny when Miranda goes
up to Harry at the end and says, oh, you know,
when the unthinkable happens, Charlotte will be fine. Yeah, that
was great, such a good like that was so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I feel like that's the only kind of maybe
not retraction because I meant it at the time. The
only kind of caveat I have to say is like,
we did like a bit of a critique on the spill,
and I wrote a piece for Sight when the first
episode of this season came out, and charlotte storyline was
the one that just infuriated me. Just feel like it
felt like in that fause. First few episodes, she was
in a different show to the rest of the characters.
(19:37):
It felt like they were in this dramani that was
like a bit sanitized, but they were in one show,
and she was in this weird, over the top after
school special of having fights with people in the dog park,
and I was like, if that's gonna be her story
this season, I cannot And like, I know people hate
seeing their kids in the show. I don't mind it.
I don't love them having their own storylines and side characters.
I think the amount we've seen Brady this season perfect
(20:00):
he comes in, aren't Carrie Because as a side note,
I love her carry interacts with her friend's children. It's
just I think that's something you never see on screens,
Like a woman in her fifties who hasn't had children
but is like that close to her friend's children. I
think you just don't see that, and it's really beautiful.
But Lily and Rock having these huge storylines I can't
deal with. But I think Charlotte having work this season,
having her own storylines and having these emotional moments with
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Harry and being there for her friends, it's like they've
turned it around. Is what I'm going to say. Like
I brought it up and I was angry about it,
but I have turned it around.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I have to see Charlotte the scene where the guy
tries to offer her cocaine and she's like ah. I
was like, that is just the most Charlotte reaction.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then when she was just dancing on the floor
and obviously she was only having this espresso martiniz, but
it made me think of in the early episodes of
Sex and the City when she gets really drunk and
they go on the ferry.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, I'm really enjoying Charlotte the last few episodes. It's like,
very good. You mentioned the fashion before. Yes, do you
have a favorite at the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Carrie, Like, I love carries out fits. I understand some
people think they haven't been on point and guys, I
don't know designers and things. I'm just gonna say in
the first episode when she runs out to post the
letter and she wears like the glossy pink dress with
the glossy pink jacket and she's just running off down
the road, I loved that. I also loved recently when
they went to lunch. Oh, it's in a recent episode
when they were talking about at lunch, She's like saying
(21:16):
she can't take her shoes off, and the guy drops
the platter and she was like he gets it. And
she's walking out with Charlotte in that like fitted dress
over like a flowy white. This is what two fashion,
very quintessential carry. Okay, So I didn't love her dress
at Charlotte's birthday. That's all I say.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
About my unexpected winner.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I'm not unexpected, but my absolute favorite this season where
I've been like, oh my god, I really love that
outfit Lisa Todd Wexley.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh yeah, she is immaculately dressed.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay. So I went in like a big deep dive
w magazine do these great like Sex and the City,
what each character wore and then.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
They can go shop it or you can be like
kind afford that kind of what they.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Do all the links, yeah stuff. So the one that
like really stuck out to me was you know when
they're glamping, Oh yeah, and she's wearing that orange like
tracksuit set. Yeah, with the dad sandals.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I was like, that outfit is so cool and add
that two closet.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's just like I don't think I'm cool enough to
pull it off. But I just love how she does
these bright colors. So those those sands, so I was like,
I don't I'm not usually into that dad's and I
was like, those are really cool. They're Dior and they're
like sixe hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, on that show.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm really upset because I can't afford that. But the
reason I love it just got this. She has to
me the most out of all of them, the new characters,
I will say the most like cohesive wardrobe, Like it
is really beautiful and brightly colored. She's wearing those you
know what, those big fendy glasses she wears in the
edit Sweet when she's in the edit sweet, and she's
(22:38):
got those really big glass her hair. She's just so cool. Yeah,
and I'm just obsessed with her the funeral despite the
fact that her dad died twice.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's that suit, but I'm sure she'll top both times.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And the hat. Yeah, that suit is from Victor D'SUSA.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Just so you know. Leberton Hills red bottoms always, These
aren't red bottoms, these friends are are.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I don't say, wow, what are shoe flax? But no,
I don't have. No.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I do have a pair of Lubetons, but I did
not wear them because they're very uncomfortable. Yeah, Luberton does
not like when fate No is what I've always said.
His most famous shoes are so kate, which you will
see a lot in Sex and the City and hats
off as JP. She knows how to walk it a
so okate.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes, so there's ok.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's this is a bit of law. The so kates,
which are like there are one hundred and ten mills, right,
you can buy one hundred and ten one hundred miles,
so that's either eleven centimeters or ten centimeters. But there's
a platform on them. So the arch on the so
kate is so intense that it becomes very difficult to
walk in. Zendaa also can walk in a so okay. Oh,
(23:42):
I'm sure, but I have tried to wear them multiple
times their dinner shoes only. But like Lubaton's, are notoriously
difficult to walk in and very very very uncomfortable. But
they really really pretty.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and that is the most important thing. That's what
I'll say about shoes and human beings.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So I will say the shoes have been very good.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well, yeah, you'd expect nothing. Obviously they don't have Patricia
fil in the mix. The stylus they have now is great,
and I know that carry.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You miss Patricia Field, Like there's nothing like Patricia. When
I lived in New York, I went to the Patricia
Field Vintage store in Arms, Like this place is incredible.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
She does have an eye. But look, I do love
when Carrie's fashion is a little bit crazy, Like I
know she's been getting a lot of shit for that
huge hat that she wears. I like to know that
hat appeared on Watch What Happens Live The hat came
out it was a carthoon and asked SJP questions about
like who is the worst dressed on the show and
all this sort of stuff. And obviously I think she's
(24:39):
so aware of the criticism of that. That's what I mean.
All the cast and the writers and producers of Michael
Patrick King all seems so very very aware of all
like different parts of the backlash and things we say.
And there's certain things that they really weigh in on
and certain things they not, Like you haven't seen any
of them coming out about the double death scene with
Lisa Todd, Wecksley's father or anything like that. But Sarah
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Deeska Parker does not stand for anyone making fun of
the clothes or say anything bad about the clothes, particularly
the hat, because she named the designer and said it's
an incredible piece of art and it's meant to be art.
That's the spirit in which you should look at it,
which is exactly what I thought. And of course for
everyone who' should have gone that hat. Of course Carrie
would wear that hat. She'd wear it now more than ever.
That woman has nothing but time and money. And when
(25:22):
you have unlimited time and money, you start wearing weird hats. Yeah,
and you've got to find something to fill your time.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
She's becoming an eccentric older woman.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And I love that for her, perfect because that's what
she was in her.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Twenty so upset about this glass, yeah, like that is
very eccentric older woman behavior.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah. Oh, I feel like she would have done that
in her twenties as well, because it has like the rainbow.
She's very particular about her space and her stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, she didn't want to eat because of Vogue,
Like she didn't care that much about her apartment, like
in the early seasons. She didn't really care about what
her apartment looked like.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, I don't think she cares about like the value
or like the cleanliness or anything like that. But I
think she was it was a story for her, Like
she's at her soul, she's a diehard romantic. She didn't
care how much the glass costs. She cared that you
made a rainbow go into the room. Like in her heart,
she is a little girl. I love that for her,
Like she likes pretty sparkly things. Did you think that
was weird when she saw Miranda naked.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But here's the other thing about Carrie. Love that woman
to death. Like literally prude. She's an absolute prude, right,
she doesn't like talking about sex, body stuff anything like that.
Also harve relate. I'm a bit of a prude as well.
Oh it's yeah, Well, I mean that's fair. But the
thing is about poo, well, I definitely don't. That's the
thing that's quintessential Carrie is that all through Sex and
(26:35):
the City is like she's a sex columnist. But when
her friends tell her things about sex and she should
be like, oh great, because she's using them for fodder
for her column. She should be like, oh, this is
a great story, so interesting, tell me more about that.
Because she describes herself as a sexual anthropologist, but she's
just a very prudish woman at heart. If you watch
like Sex and the City three, every times her friends
bring up sex or anything, she's like, oh, don't tell
(26:56):
me about that. I want to hear about that, even
like recently in and just like that visit scene where
Seema comes into her apartment and she was like, oh
my god, I told him I loved him and he
was still inside of me, and Carry's like, oh, I'm
eating and I'm like she literally said the like nicest
way you could describe sex in like very kind of
basic terms, and you're saying that you're now put off
(27:17):
your lunch forever. But that's just carry.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I think it is carry. I think that's very very legitimate.
It just made me laugh because it was like, again
this surrealest comedy. It was this kind of jump scare,
which it was meant to be, and that classic carry
phase where she's like.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, no, I love it. She's that woman is perpetually shocked,
she's perpetually screaming. She's just like a beautiful little fairy
that like flits through New York City and we can't
expect normal things from her. Okay, so that's when Obviously
we're not doing spoilers for the rest of the season
because we haven't seen them yet. I did get some screeners.
I'm not going to watch them because I like to
experience and just like that with you guys, and I
like to I put it into people with the people.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like to experience with the people.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I like six people to the people. I don't want
to hold it in once I've seen it. I also
dedicate half of a Saturday to like watching it. It's
a whole thing. So where we're going next, because now
we're like pretty much midway through the season, they're going
to be building to a big finale. We don't know
if it's coming back. I really really hope it does.
We've had a few little hints on the way, and
one of the big hints about what's gonna happen happened
(28:13):
on this episode of Watch What Happens Live because Andy
Cohens says to Sarah Jessica Parker, do you think Aiden
and carry our endgame? And like they're good friends, so
I'm assuming he must know how the season ends. I
don't know, And Sarah Jessica Parker, who's usually so good
at keeping her cool, pauses and says, wait, which episode's
airing right now? I mean she also likes to tease
and like muck around with things. So I don't know,
(28:34):
but I'm just saying that made me feel like there's
a breakup coming. Well, I mean, which.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
They haven't introduced Duncan for no reason.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, yeah, she's gonna date the hot author, right.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I mean he made it her mutton stew.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, that was hilarious and she had to eat tombs
for the rest of the week. I'd love someone to
circle back to the fact that she said marrying Big
was a mistake and no one's ever brought that up again.
That the whole of that. Yeah, it's when she gets
back together with Aiden and she Miranda walking down the
street and then Carrie goes, this is why you watch
it three times? Yeah you well, I mean, I don't
know how you missed this moment. But yeah, well I've
(29:08):
watched it all than three times because I don't Yeah, oh,
don't get me started on that. No, you have to
sit down phone another room.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That's the point of it.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I can do it while I'm well, now you've missed
a huge plot point. Well, because why have you, Laura
bro exactly. And so they're walking on the street and
Carrie says Miranda was big, just a big mistake, as
I shouldn't have picked him over Aiden, and Miranda just
looks at her sad and they both keep on walking.
I'm like, we're never going to pick that up again.
Seems like a pretty huge deal.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like there is definitely a
breakup coming between them if she cheats on him again,
like if they hear her, well I know, but if
they like actually get back together and she cheats on
him with the hot other, like I'm going to be
so pissed at her. She can't do that to him again.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well, now they had the talk. Apparently there was the
window of opportunity, but now it's closed. So also, if
it is going to go into another season, I feel
like this Aiden thing, they're in, this weird limbo. They've
given him and his family so much screen time. I
feel like that will come to a point where maybe
they'll say, like let's see each other again, Like let's
not see each other, but maybe we'll catch up in
a few years and and then she can go on
to date Duncan. That would be really cute.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I would like to see Lisa date the hot editor.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
No, I don't want her and Herbert to break.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I like Herbert because I also really like Camels.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, when people were like, I can't believe that
he's singing, I'm like, you don't have that man in
this show? Would not have him seen?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, he's amazing. I do really like him, and I
think he's a great husband. But the hot.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Marilyn Nut, No, I don't, I know. I want I
want someone took up and speaking of hot really quickly
before I go on to my point that I actually prepped.
So the gardener hooking up with Sema and singing Betty
Davis eres the same week that Jojo Si was getting
canned for singing Betty Davis eye full circle moment. I
just need everyone to know that's trade from the OC.
Like people know that, right. You didn't watch the OC.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like, no, I didn't watch, but not that closely.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
He's a massive character. So if you watched one of
the biggest seven, No, no, this is so important. So
in the OC, Ryan's brother Trey gets out of prison,
comes to with the family. Yeah, it's a huge, big thing.
It's it's the whole point of the season. And in
the end, Marissa because he's beating Ryan up, Trey's gonna
kill Ryan Marissaye and Marissa shoots him in the back
(31:18):
and that song plays. It's so great. So when he
was up at the party in the last episode singing
Betty Davis eyes, I was like, I'm so glad that
Trey Atwood after he left on the bus and went away,
found his feet and he's living New York and he's
fixing Carry's guard and he's dating singer. I just never
want to know that he's not he's see yet. Well
they're having how hot and heavy makeout session and he
sang to her at karaoke and it was hot. It
(31:39):
was so hot. I want no other thoughts on that,
no critique.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Why being so like man HATI.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't know. I just again, they introduced her as
a caro man like her. I do like her. I
love her. I love the actress. I love the character. Yeah,
sometimes I think people think that she maybe shouldn't want
love because they're like, she's meant to be this really
fierce character, and I was like, the whole point of
having complex characters is they're not these stereo cookie cut
of people like she's a fierce woman and she wears
animal prints, she doesn't need a man. She might be
(32:06):
all those things and desperately want to fall in love
like I feel.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like glad to Like I hate that matchmaker thing where
they were trying oh like that storyline that was great, No,
but I didn't like that the fact that she was
like the matchmaker was trying to tell saman to like
pull it, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, because she was being too much. But I think
that was the whole point where that she was like,
I'm gonna bean more than that. So they're just our
random thoughts on what's happening the season, which is I
hope what you guys wanted. But I would say I've
still seen a lot of people saying, when are we're
getting a Samantha cameo? When is she coming back? Because
obviously we have one at the end of last season.
But that was a huge thing with like the head
of HBO calling her directly, and Kim Cotrell only did
(32:40):
it if she could still be very much in control,
so she got to pick how she filmed. She said,
I'll only do it if Pat Fields comes back and
dresses specifically me, when she wouldn't dress the main women
in the cast, only if, like when she did the
phone call, that Sarah Jessica Parker wasn't on the other
end of it, so that all happens. So everyone's been really.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Asking, well, she was there in text.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That's a hard thing too, is like a lot of
people are saying, don't ask the actresses about it because
they shouldn't have to keep commenting on Kim Katrell, which
I do agree to an extent, especially so Jessica Parker,
because she's not going to say anything at this stage.
She's not gonna say anything bad about King Control. She's
kept her mouth shut for years and years and years,
like she's not going to do it now, especially when
she's doing all this press. But the actresses keep getting
(33:21):
asked about Kim Cantrell, about Samantha coming back, and it's
so interesting because it's the only big line of questioning
that they completely shut down. They don't want to be
asked it. And also they're going back and rewriting history
by saying that Samantha was not in their official group,
like this interview that was done during the press run.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Even in the past, I don't feel that Charlotte really
relied on Samantha that much for support.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We see Carrie and Samantha testing a lot this season
and in past seasons. Do you hope, as I do,
that Miranda and Samantha are testing this season and maybe
Miranda is reaching out to Samantha for some insight and
to support as she explores her sexuality.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
No, no, I don't. And in the beginning especially, sometimes
they have these funny episodes that I'm looking back on
now with the podcast where I take care of Samantha,
which is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But I don't feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Charlotte really relied on Samantha that much, So I don't
know if she'd reach out to her, but I do
think she'd.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Be friendly with her.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You know. I don't think she has any any particular
issues or problems, you know, with her.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I actually think this is valid because out of all
of them, Miranda and Samantha had the least sort of
relationship together apart from a time when Marita gave birth
and Samantha came over and too. The Vibrator on Lady
when he was a baby. Yes, they weren't ever really
like super super close.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yes they were, Okay, that's what people are saying.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
No were Miranda specifically.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
They were all close. They were four of them were close,
but in terms of we see them in scenes with
carry more, but they are like they were like a
four group of best friends. So what is Kristin Davis
doing saying that Samantha and Charlotte didn't have that much
to do with each other.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But you can be in a group of girlfriends and
have a group of four and there will always be
ones that are closer to others, right, So you know.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I not I yeah, I understand that, but I'm just
saying that that was never this fors theme. Like the
inference was that they were all very very close, like
the four of them, And yes, we often see them
in their shots with Carrie because she's the main character.
But it just felt very weird of Kristen Davis to
just it just not weird, like she's allowed to say
what she wants. But and she has gone back and
watched the show, where is Sara Jusca Parker hasn't? So
(35:32):
if anyone's across what's happening because christ and Davis hosts
a podcast now where she looks back at the show,
so I feel like it's fresh in her mind. I
just don't understand why she's rewriting history. And they could
have just kind of shrug that question of I don't
know that she is just I actually disagree with you here,
But I just feel like feels very pointed of her
to say that, because whether she believes or not, she
knew it would definitely get picked up. She knew that
(35:53):
it was like kind of drawing a line in the
sand between from everything we know, Kristen Davis and Cynthia
Nixon are still friendly with Kim Kachrall, especially Cynthia Nixon,
like they've had a few like online pleasantries and things.
But it was very much to me like kind of
drawing a line in the sand to say, I don't
even think that Samantha was really friends with the girls
and not with Charlotte. No, they wouldn't really be talking
or anything like that. And then for Cynthia to like
(36:15):
she's shut down that question so intensely.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Because she's over answering questions about King Patrol.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Because there's been some backlash to that clip. That's why
I've seen it, because it's got fans really divided. Like
some people are like angry at the journalists being stop
asking them and like stop bringing this up, and you're trying.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
To put she's exasperated, like and they said, no, leave
it alone.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Also, just in the defense of the interview because I'm
always on the interviewer site, is that they have put
Samantha's text as part of the story and so it's
part of the story. You have to ask it. I
just thought it was really interesting of like a how
they're trying to rewrite history and be how they are
so quick to shut that down from all the crazy
things they get asked on these press tours that they
(36:55):
just want this conversation gone. Well, so we're not getting
a Samantha cameo, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, we'll see, we'll see what happens. I mean, I
don't think we will either, but let's see what happens
with Aiden and Carry and then we'll be back with
a full brutally on its review.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
At the end of the sear And even with all
my criticism kind of say, I freaking love this show.
I love we do I love that it exists. I
love everything about it. I watch every episode five times.
I just want that all the record.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
This my critique of Miranda.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Was not watching a show. Is that you also critique it.
I have criticus of the original Sex and the City too,
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like, I'm just concerned for Miranda.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I understand that where's your backbone?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Girl? Like I want to see my Miranda again.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I feel like she's coming. She's coming. Well, thank you
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Speaker 1 (37:47):
Would like someone to discuss with me and agree with
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Ku and I'm Laura Brudnick, and today.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We are going through a little bit of and just
like that, we are midway through the season. But we
have heard you guys, and you wanted a bit of
a brutally honest review, but we can't do that yet,
so we're just going to do a mid season check in.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But first, but first, Sarah Jessica Parker Carrie Bradshaw herself
has just been on Watch What Happens Live with Andy
Cohen this week and there's a few kind of interesting takeaways.
So it was actually really cute because Andy Cohen and
Sarah Jessica Parker are super super close friends. They have
been for many decades. She'd been over at his house
having cocktails the night before. Like, that's like my dream pairing.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I would love to be friends with Andy Cohen.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I would honestly not get into such interviewed him once
and I feel like I didn't. It was okay, but
I feel like I could have brought more to the table.
I've come to love him more since I interviewed him. Anyway,
So Sarah Jesica Parker, she's on the show. It's really cute.
They were talking about their love of sex and City
and their friendship and then he threw this one little,
like very short question in there, which compared to everything
(01:34):
else she was talking at the show, was only meant
to be a very throwaway moment. And you can see
also Sarah Jedica Parker is quite careful with a lot
of the media she does, and you could tell that
she had only agreed to be on this show because
if you haven't watched What Happens Live, it can get
very messy, Like he asked some big questions. He you know,
he also gets like different people, like audience members or
different people to call him with questions, so like really
(01:56):
scandalous things can be asked. It always doesn't come back
on Andy Cohen. But with Sarah Jessica Parker, they have
been friends for so long, they obviously pre agreed that
nothing scandalous was going to be asked. It was all
going to be just very light and fun, so that
was nice, but there was one question where he said her,
did you ever date Nicholas Cage. Now, this has been
a rumor bubbling around for over thirty years.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yes, so it started in ninety six when they did
their wrong com honey moon in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So yes, it was a wrong com and I think
was like fairly well received at the time, and there
was always this kind of whispering that they had hooked up,
they had dated Sarah Jessica Parker has never really denied
nor confirmed, at least on such a big platform. And
then she just very like nonchalantly just was like yeah.
And then Andy Cohen, her best friend of over twenty years,
was like really, like he was even shocked, and like,
(02:43):
I don't know if he was shocked that she said
it so casually or that he was shocked that she
just was, you know, so easily like giving up that information.
And then she kind of was like, yeah, you knew that,
and then he was like, oh my gosh, we have
to talk. We have to talk. It's such a fleeting second,
like it passed so quickly, and it kind of did
the like the headline rounds afterwards of everyone being like,
oh my god, Rarah, you know Sarahisca Parker Dave Nicholas Cage,
(03:06):
and it would have died there. It would have died
and ended. But Nicholas Cage least a statement because he's
obviously seen the clip, and I know people were reaching
out to him, but I just I'm just gonna tell
you what he said, because wow, he said I cared
about Sarah, but I don't think I passed the mum test.
I recall sitting down with her and her mother for
dinner at the Russian Tea Room, and I don't know
(03:28):
if it was my blue vans and leather motorcycle jacket,
which I still have, or my sinocytis, but I didn't
hear from her again. So much to unpack the.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I love this so much. Nicholas Cage is so weird
and I have always like he's just a very odd guy,
which makes him very appealing to watch.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, and the best kind of movie star. We want
our movie stars to be odd and eccentric and like
all those things, like that's what we want.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's just he's just really funny. He also looks a
little bit like my brother, which always makes me look
kill like young Nicholas Cage. He's not like current Nicholas Cage.
My brother's only like thirty seven. But I just think
it's really funny. But do you know what I think
he's even funnier is that the fact that they dated
and the guys she dated as Matthew Brodery because she's
still with which is really sweet.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That is really sweet.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But it's funny that he talks about not passing the
mom test. Yeah, because I don't think Nicholas Cage would
pass any mum test.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
No, and especially I mean, I don't know a huge
amount about Sarah Jessica Parker's mum, but I know that
she raised about ten or so children in New York,
and she put Sarah Jessica to work very very early,
Like she was on Broadway when she was a very
tiny child, and her income was like supporting her family,
and her mum was the one who organized for her
to like get these auditions and be a child stuff.
So I feel like her mom's a real like kind
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of go get her with that many kids in New
York and also making her daughter a star, So I'm
assuming that she would have been very intimidating. My whole
thought on this is like you could have just said nothing,
but then you would be Nicholas Cage. But it paints
him in such a bad light, almost like he went
to dinner with not in a ballot and tear away,
but he was just like talking about still having his
other jacket and then he had Cyanidis. Like that's it again.
(05:04):
Details we didn't need. I'm so glad we have them.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But I feel like it's just Nicholas Cage. She's a
bit quirky, he's a bit of a weird dude, and
like that's him, just like kind of throwing it off.
I think it's actually kind of cute because he's he's
like I cared about her, but you know she didn't
like me enough, so sobey it. And I mean, this
is ninety six, it's a really long time ago.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
No, No, I just love Nicholas Cage because he has
had like new movies and things coming out recently. And
I just imagined his PR team going through all the
requests for comment, because you know, anytime at Outlet runs
a story like this, they'll then say we have reached
out to their reps for comment, and most of those
emails go unanswered and unopen. So I just imagine them
being like, oh, you've had a request for this, We've
had a request for this. Oh we've had a request
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for did you date Sarah Jessica Parker. Instead of him
saying no comment or just not responding, which is the
normal thing to do because then they can't say anything
to the story, he sat down, I'm assuming that his
little typewriter or something like that, and he typed out
the words I still have that leather jacket and I
had cyanidis And basically Sarah Jessica Parker ghosted me instead
of leaving that in drafts he could send I love it.
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I want both of those two crazy kids now to
like be on Watch What Happens Live and like that
would just that would be I just want to hear
both of all their stories. And like, also, someone from
Sarahisca Parker's family needs to now come out, like one
of her siblings and comment on what happened, because I
feel like bringing the mum into it, who's obviously now
passed away. I just feel like someone from the family
needs to come out and defend her on her.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I feel like SJP has definitely one with Matthew Broderick, though,
like oh yeah, like the producers. Yeah, like Matthew brought
a Rick.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, they're very quintessential New York I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I love them and you know Broadway bad Way Stars.
So we are midway through season three of and just
like that, and normally we wait till the end of
the season to do a brutally honest review, but we've
had so many dms and comments saying that you guys
just can't wait to talk about it. And it was
so funny because over the weekend I actually messaged Laura
(06:57):
and I was like, I've no one to talk about
this with what the hell is going on in this season?
We want to unpack a couple of things. There won't
be any spoilers past episode seven, so we're only going
up to episode seven, which is Lett's birthday.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Party, Yes, which is the episode that came out last week,
So don't worry if you haven't seen the episode from
this week. We're not touching on that.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes, So up to the Charlotte's birthday party, and we
kind of just want to unpack a couple of different things. Now.
We have spoken about, you know, the glaringly obvious plothole
of Lisa's dad, Billy Dee Williams dying twice. We're gonna
just sort of push that off to the side for now,
But I really wanted to talk to you about something
that's been kind of gnawing at me. Yes, And I
(07:37):
was looking online and I couldn't see anyone else who
would It's in Reddit threads and stuff, but I hadn't
seen any like big outlets talking about this, and I
wanted to run it by you because I know that
you're a big like Sex and the City, yeah, and
just like that connoisseur.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah. Well, I mean it's half my personality.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, So what is going on with Miranda's character Miranda
and Carrie. Carrie seems to be quite mean to Miranda
and also Miranda. It's almost like Carrie's really embarrassed by her.
There's a couple of bits that I want to point out.
First of all, when Miranda moves in with Carrie, moves
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in quote unquote, she like comes and stays with her.
Carrie then yells at her and tells her to take
her shoes off. But Carrie doesn't have to take her
shoes off because she goes, I know how to walk
in them. Rude.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But also potentially factually accurate.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, but kind of like mean I mean, yeah. And
then Miranda's been kind of a terrible house guest by
you know, eating her yogurt and putting stuff all over
the desk and drinking her last Mexican coke, but also
Carrie's They've known each other for like thirty years. Why
not just be honest with your friend rather than having
this very like passive aggressive response. That's my feeling.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I totally understand what you're saying. And like I said,
everyone knows that I'm very invested in the show. I
watch every episode three times. So I got a lot
of messages about this, and I was trying to sort
of pinpoint what people were upset about, because they are
like not perfect people. They're meant to be real human beings,
so they have flaws and things. But maybe it did
seem I think what people are struggling with in the
last three seasons. And then just like that is that
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people have a very definitive idea of who these characters
were from when Sex and the City was on our
screens over twenty years ago, and I think it's a
culmination of a few different things. Is like one that
obviously they're much older now, so that, like their characters
are different. It's a completely different mostly a different writing team.
A few people from the original series, but mostly it's
different writers. And I also think that a lot of
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the actresses who are on the show also produces, and
it seems like they, especially Sara Jascea Parker, have like
a lot of sway over what's being said, more so
than the original season. So I'm one of their pushing
in that direction. It's hard because the Miranda and Carrie
being roommate situation is something that fans have wanted ever since.
Miranda has sold the iconic brownstone that they bought at
the end of Sex and the City and has been
(09:58):
kind of apartment hopping, Like we wanted these two best
friends together, and it was hard to watch them kind
of have these fights straight away. And I do understand
the whole thing with Carrie. It's hard because part of
me is like, has she just lived alone? But she's not.
It hasn't been living on that long.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
But I think it's It's also a lot to do
with as you get older, you get more sent in
your ways, and I understand. I think that's a really
big part of it. I think that's very accurate.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And the other thing is like, I know some people
are saying that they were acting like strangers when Carrie
was like giving back my yoga, give me my banana,
do this, do that. But also I think you have
to remember Miranda is her family, Like is that how
you would talk to a sibling. That's why I think
Miranda is as in her chosen family, her best friend.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But this is forty years but this is my point.
It was so passive aggressive. If that were my sister
or my brother, I'd be like, are you freaking kidding me?
That was my life, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeh?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But look how Miranda's dress later when they accidentally spill
the coke on the table, only because like the scarf's
getting ruined and stuff. But look at Miranda, like that's
exactly how a sister acts, Like one of your sisters
is like attacking you, and she barely looks up. And
like when Carrie goes, oh did you do that while
you were eating my banana or a Maranda's like yeah,
like they're acting like sisters.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
She seems like oblivious to it, and she's like.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I just think she's seen Carrie spiral so many times
that was like literally naughty even worth a reaction from her.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And then when she brings like the karaoke machine and
the balloons and carries like rolling her eyes, and I
just felt like, why is Miranda like all of a
sudden in this pushover and the bit where I saw
that really at the end of the birthday party, Charlotte's
birthday party, they're in the kitchen, Miranda's sitting there and
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she talks about Duncan, the writer who lives downstairs who
started the whole no shoes thing, which I thought Carrie
was really freaking rude for not taking her shoes off.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It sober she only wears shoes at home, like she
only wears high heels.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Take your freaking shoes off. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Character. I loved the shoe montage, I've got to say,
and what I would just say is more of that.
I want to see all of those outfits. I loved
it too.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I love that she wears she.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Was going somewhere. I was like, is she's stomping around
that house on her heels like a crazy woman and
never leaving the house.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Maybe very upset? I don't love that for her anyway,
Miranda goes, you know, I saw you and Duncan talking.
I can see some you know, flirtation, and then Carrie
jumps down her throat and he's going, you don't know
what you're talking about. I'm with Aiden, Aiden and I
have twenty year history. Don't try and talk to me
about relationships when you've been with this girl for a
couple of weeks. And Miranda backs off, which I don't
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think is very Miranda. I think Miranda original Miranda would
have gone like remember when she was like, did not
like Alexander Petrowski.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, but she really didn't want her to move to
Paris with that man, and that man, as far as
she could tell, was treating her friend.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That and she actively disliked Big and told.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, she just liked him till the end. Then when
she was like, go get our girl.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And then remember she told Carrie she was being horrible
for cheating on Aiden the first time.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
With Big, I mean to an extent, she was kind
of okay with it. She was just like, I need
a cigarette?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Is she kind of like, but she was the only
one that kind of told her off a little bit. Yeah,
So I just I think I just missed that pushback
from Miranda a little bit. She felt very passive to me.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think that's hard with the jump from Sexy and
City into Just Like That, is that all of the
characters are like maybe a bit more sanitized. And it's
hard because at the beginning of and Just Like That,
it was like Miranda was always in these situations where
they kind of made it look like a little bit
like an idiot, and we're really kind of not remembering
little things from the original season that made her her
character when they're like, oh, she doesn't listen to podcasts
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and she doesn't do this and that, and it's like, no, no,
she would be like the DNA of her character. She'd
be the one who was like listening to every podcast,
especially the gossip ones, because she loves like salacious gossip
and stuff. So it's like someone came in who had
watched like the clips of Sex and City but not
the actual show. But then as it's gone along, I
thought they'd found their footing a bit more. But I
think it's more that her character is stuck in this
(13:55):
weird place that we don't like, rather than not liking
the actual character. Actually think it's her storyline now that
I think of her carry But I think I think
Miranda maybe in reaction to what's going on, because Miranda
sort of has needed some redemption because when she started
the first season, it was all about her breaking up
her marriage with Steve, which fans really hated. And then
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she was in all these situations where she kind of
looked like a bit of a dofist and she was
doing dumb things, and she was trying to be a
white savior, and so she looked a bit dumb, and
so then she's had a bit of redemption. But maybe
where she's come out fans don't like. But I actually
think with Carrie, people who were saying, like she's not
acting like herself is they don't like this place that
she's stuck in because she's kind of stuck in this
loop with Aiden. She's stuck in this big house. She
(14:38):
has so much money, she doesn't need to work anymore.
She's kind of like this other worldly creature outside of
the Carrier we knew like to an extent.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if if Aiden's being
very fair to her either, Like I think I'm sure
she's maybe that outburst to Miranda was a bit of like,
you know when your friend tells you do exactly stupid
and you know you've done something stupid, and so you
get angry because you feel guilty that you've done something stupid.
It's almost like it's an awareness thing. It's like someone
putting up a mirror to your face and you're going, oh, okay.
(15:07):
It's almost like she she felt it, she knew she
was doing something wrong. Kind of yeah, but you didn't
want to be called out on it. Yeah, so maybe
there's that kind of thing. But yeah, I just I
was feeling really like torn about the relationship between them,
just because I felt like Miranda was always like the
outcast of the four girls. What I always thought Miranda
(15:29):
was not outcast in terms of the relationship, Yeah, outcast
in terms of relationships, outcasting in terms of you know what.
I was like, I'm a Samantha, You're a call No
one ever wanted to be the Miranda.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well yeah, that was you know. Well also that was
the whole movement of Yet when the show started, You're right,
no one wanted to be Miranda. And it was when
they started doing those sex in the City tours in
New York, which I've never done but actually really want
to do where you ride around the bus and you
go to all the stops and you go to Magnolia.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
House and I went to Magnolia Oh, well.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, I've been to those things. So I haven't done
like the proper tour that takes you around, No, but
I feel like I need to at one stage, so
stay tuned for that, guys. But there were like gift
shop points along that tour at one stage, and people
would go and you could buy all of the different
things that were for the girls, like you could buy
like a carry sticker or like Charlotte cookie, and people
have said that, like all the Miranda stuff when the
show was on would just be left on the shelves,
(16:15):
like no one wanted to be a Miranda. And then
it was actually the girls who, well ladies who. They
now host the Every Outfit podcast and they have the
Every Outfit on Sex and City Instagram. They wrote a
book why we Should all be Miranda's And I feel
like that kind of moved the needle a little bit
on people loving her and wanting to be her, but.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Not in and just like that, Well that's why Sex
and Sy finished on a reflection bat. You know, she
had those great power suits, she was a lawyer, she
was a partner. She kind of like didn't take anyone's
shit like that is kind of the Miranda that I
really liked. But I just feel like, and it's probably
a lot to do with her rediscovering her sexuality at
almost sixty, Like she's it's obviously a new experience for her,
(16:57):
So I understand that aspect of the character. I just
I miss seeing that strength and no nonsense attitude from Miranda.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I think maybe from an extent, it all start
kind of like coming back. I feel like we're on
that way back now that she's like on this other
side of all this stuff she went to that we're
going back into. But it's interesting because, like you just
it's hard with and just like that because now people
are sort of saying, like this season has become like
a surrealist comedy is what they're kind of saying. And
I always think you have to sort of let go
(17:28):
of what you're expecting and watch with that lens. And
I'm not upset by the outfits, although I know some
people are saying, like, obviously the hat was crazy. Sometimes
the thing is like every episode I feel like as
a grab bag. Like some episodes, it feels like these
characters are not the women that we grew up with,
and then you have these moments where it shines through
so strongly, Like an episode recently, it ended with Carrie
(17:51):
and Charlotte standing in the grocery store, you know, when
Carrie comes up to her and like she doesn't know
she's there and she's buying the depends for Harry because
of his cancer, and they just break down. They hug
and just like the way they talked and the way
they looked at each other, and I was like, that
scene just feels like it's so these women that we've
known for so long, and it just came across as
women who had been friends for decades and decades and decades,
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And I was like, those moments in the show were there,
they're just maybe smaller.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I think Charlotte is the most true to her original
Kristin Davis. I think when she came back for season one,
it took her a minute to get back into the character,
which is understandable it'd been, however, many years. But now
she's so Charlotte. She's so true to who Charlotte was
in the trade days and you know the way how
(18:38):
much she loves Harry. Yeah, Like I love Charlotte so much,
I think, yeah, you know, I think Kristin Davis has
to really like she should really pat herself on the
back because after all of that, you know, backlash in
the first season where people were like, what the hell's
going on with Kristen Davis, She's really gotten back into
the groove of it and she is Charlotte, and I
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really enjoy seeing her and Harry and how much they
love each other. And it's so funny when Miranda goes
up to Harry at the end and says, oh, you know,
when the unthinkable happens, Charlotte will be fine. Yeah, that
was great, such a good like that was so funny.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I feel like that's the only kind of maybe
not retraction because I meant it at the time. The
only kind of caveat I have to say is like,
we did like a bit of a critique on the spill,
and I wrote a piece for Sight when the first
episode of this season came out, and charlotte storyline was
the one that just infuriated me. Just feel like it
felt like in that fause. First few episodes, she was
in a different show to the rest of the characters.
(19:37):
It felt like they were in this dramani that was
like a bit sanitized, but they were in one show,
and she was in this weird, over the top after
school special of having fights with people in the dog park,
and I was like, if that's gonna be her story
this season, I cannot And like, I know people hate
seeing their kids in the show. I don't mind it.
I don't love them having their own storylines and side characters.
I think the amount we've seen Brady this season perfect
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he comes in, aren't Carrie Because as a side note,
I love her carry interacts with her friend's children. It's
just I think that's something you never see on screens,
Like a woman in her fifties who hasn't had children
but is like that close to her friend's children. I
think you just don't see that, and it's really beautiful.
But Lily and Rock having these huge storylines I can't
deal with. But I think Charlotte having work this season,
having her own storylines and having these emotional moments with
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Harry and being there for her friends, it's like they've
turned it around. Is what I'm going to say. Like
I brought it up and I was angry about it,
but I have turned it around.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I have to see Charlotte the scene where the guy
tries to offer her cocaine and she's like ah. I
was like, that is just the most Charlotte reaction.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then when she was just dancing on the floor
and obviously she was only having this espresso martiniz, but
it made me think of in the early episodes of
Sex and the City when she gets really drunk and
they go on the ferry.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, I'm really enjoying Charlotte the last few episodes. It's like,
very good. You mentioned the fashion before. Yes, do you
have a favorite at the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Carrie, Like, I love carries out fits. I understand some
people think they haven't been on point and guys, I
don't know designers and things. I'm just gonna say in
the first episode when she runs out to post the
letter and she wears like the glossy pink dress with
the glossy pink jacket and she's just running off down
the road, I loved that. I also loved recently when
they went to lunch. Oh, it's in a recent episode
when they were talking about at lunch, She's like saying
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she can't take her shoes off, and the guy drops
the platter and she was like he gets it. And
she's walking out with Charlotte in that like fitted dress
over like a flowy white. This is what two fashion,
very quintessential carry. Okay, So I didn't love her dress
at Charlotte's birthday. That's all I say.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
About my unexpected winner.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I'm not unexpected, but my absolute favorite this season where
I've been like, oh my god, I really love that
outfit Lisa Todd Wexley.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh yeah, she is immaculately dressed.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay. So I went in like a big deep dive
w magazine do these great like Sex and the City,
what each character wore and then.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
They can go shop it or you can be like
kind afford that kind of what they.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Do all the links, yeah stuff. So the one that
like really stuck out to me was you know when
they're glamping, Oh yeah, and she's wearing that orange like
tracksuit set. Yeah, with the dad sandals.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I was like, that outfit is so cool and add
that two closet.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's just like I don't think I'm cool enough to
pull it off. But I just love how she does
these bright colors. So those those sands, so I was like,
I don't I'm not usually into that dad's and I
was like, those are really cool. They're Dior and they're
like sixe hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, on that show.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm really upset because I can't afford that. But the
reason I love it just got this. She has to
me the most out of all of them, the new characters,
I will say the most like cohesive wardrobe, Like it
is really beautiful and brightly colored. She's wearing those you
know what, those big fendy glasses she wears in the
edit Sweet when she's in the edit sweet, and she's
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got those really big glass her hair. She's just so cool. Yeah,
and I'm just obsessed with her the funeral despite the
fact that her dad died twice.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's that suit, but I'm sure she'll top both times.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And the hat. Yeah, that suit is from Victor D'SUSA.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Just so you know. Leberton Hills red bottoms always, These
aren't red bottoms, these friends are are.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I don't say, wow, what are shoe flax? But no,
I don't have. No.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I do have a pair of Lubetons, but I did
not wear them because they're very uncomfortable. Yeah, Luberton does
not like when fate No is what I've always said.
His most famous shoes are so kate, which you will
see a lot in Sex and the City and hats
off as JP. She knows how to walk it a
so okate.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes, so there's ok.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's this is a bit of law. The so kates,
which are like there are one hundred and ten mills, right,
you can buy one hundred and ten one hundred miles,
so that's either eleven centimeters or ten centimeters. But there's
a platform on them. So the arch on the so
kate is so intense that it becomes very difficult to
walk in. Zendaa also can walk in a so okay. Oh,
(23:42):
I'm sure, but I have tried to wear them multiple
times their dinner shoes only. But like Lubaton's, are notoriously
difficult to walk in and very very very uncomfortable. But
they really really pretty.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and that is the most important thing. That's what
I'll say about shoes and human beings.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So I will say the shoes have been very good.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well, yeah, you'd expect nothing. Obviously they don't have Patricia
fil in the mix. The stylus they have now is great,
and I know that carry.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You miss Patricia Field, Like there's nothing like Patricia. When
I lived in New York, I went to the Patricia
Field Vintage store in Arms, Like this place is incredible.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
She does have an eye. But look, I do love
when Carrie's fashion is a little bit crazy, Like I
know she's been getting a lot of shit for that
huge hat that she wears. I like to know that
hat appeared on Watch What Happens Live The hat came
out it was a carthoon and asked SJP questions about
like who is the worst dressed on the show and
all this sort of stuff. And obviously I think she's
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so aware of the criticism of that. That's what I mean.
All the cast and the writers and producers of Michael
Patrick King all seems so very very aware of all
like different parts of the backlash and things we say.
And there's certain things that they really weigh in on
and certain things they not, Like you haven't seen any
of them coming out about the double death scene with
Lisa Todd, Wecksley's father or anything like that. But Sarah
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Deeska Parker does not stand for anyone making fun of
the clothes or say anything bad about the clothes, particularly
the hat, because she named the designer and said it's
an incredible piece of art and it's meant to be art.
That's the spirit in which you should look at it,
which is exactly what I thought. And of course for
everyone who' should have gone that hat. Of course Carrie
would wear that hat. She'd wear it now more than ever.
That woman has nothing but time and money. And when
(25:22):
you have unlimited time and money, you start wearing weird hats. Yeah,
and you've got to find something to fill your time.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
She's becoming an eccentric older woman.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And I love that for her, perfect because that's what
she was in her.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Twenty so upset about this glass, yeah, like that is
very eccentric older woman behavior.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah. Oh, I feel like she would have done that
in her twenties as well, because it has like the rainbow.
She's very particular about her space and her stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, she didn't want to eat because of Vogue,
Like she didn't care that much about her apartment, like
in the early seasons. She didn't really care about what
her apartment looked like.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, I don't think she cares about like the value
or like the cleanliness or anything like that. But I
think she was it was a story for her, Like
she's at her soul, she's a diehard romantic. She didn't
care how much the glass costs. She cared that you
made a rainbow go into the room. Like in her heart,
she is a little girl. I love that for her,
Like she likes pretty sparkly things. Did you think that
was weird when she saw Miranda naked.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But here's the other thing about Carrie. Love that woman
to death. Like literally prude. She's an absolute prude, right,
she doesn't like talking about sex, body stuff anything like that.
Also harve relate. I'm a bit of a prude as well.
Oh it's yeah, Well, I mean that's fair. But the
thing is about poo, well, I definitely don't. That's the
thing that's quintessential Carrie is that all through Sex and
(26:35):
the City is like she's a sex columnist. But when
her friends tell her things about sex and she should
be like, oh great, because she's using them for fodder
for her column. She should be like, oh, this is
a great story, so interesting, tell me more about that.
Because she describes herself as a sexual anthropologist, but she's
just a very prudish woman at heart. If you watch
like Sex and the City three, every times her friends
bring up sex or anything, she's like, oh, don't tell
(26:56):
me about that. I want to hear about that, even
like recently in and just like that visit scene where
Seema comes into her apartment and she was like, oh
my god, I told him I loved him and he
was still inside of me, and Carry's like, oh, I'm
eating and I'm like she literally said the like nicest
way you could describe sex in like very kind of
basic terms, and you're saying that you're now put off
(27:17):
your lunch forever. But that's just carry.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I think it is carry. I think that's very very legitimate.
It just made me laugh because it was like, again
this surrealest comedy. It was this kind of jump scare,
which it was meant to be, and that classic carry
phase where she's like.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, no, I love it. She's that woman is perpetually shocked,
she's perpetually screaming. She's just like a beautiful little fairy
that like flits through New York City and we can't
expect normal things from her. Okay, so that's when Obviously
we're not doing spoilers for the rest of the season
because we haven't seen them yet. I did get some screeners.
I'm not going to watch them because I like to
experience and just like that with you guys, and I
like to I put it into people with the people.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like to experience with the people.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I like six people to the people. I don't want
to hold it in once I've seen it. I also
dedicate half of a Saturday to like watching it. It's
a whole thing. So where we're going next, because now
we're like pretty much midway through the season, they're going
to be building to a big finale. We don't know
if it's coming back. I really really hope it does.
We've had a few little hints on the way, and
one of the big hints about what's gonna happen happened
(28:13):
on this episode of Watch What Happens Live because Andy
Cohens says to Sarah Jessica Parker, do you think Aiden
and carry our endgame? And like they're good friends, so
I'm assuming he must know how the season ends. I
don't know, And Sarah Jessica Parker, who's usually so good
at keeping her cool, pauses and says, wait, which episode's
airing right now? I mean she also likes to tease
and like muck around with things. So I don't know,
(28:34):
but I'm just saying that made me feel like there's
a breakup coming. Well, I mean, which.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
They haven't introduced Duncan for no reason.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, yeah, she's gonna date the hot author, right.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I mean he made it her mutton stew.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, that was hilarious and she had to eat tombs
for the rest of the week. I'd love someone to
circle back to the fact that she said marrying Big
was a mistake and no one's ever brought that up again.
That the whole of that. Yeah, it's when she gets
back together with Aiden and she Miranda walking down the
street and then Carrie goes, this is why you watch
it three times? Yeah you well, I mean, I don't
know how you missed this moment. But yeah, well I've
(29:08):
watched it all than three times because I don't Yeah, oh,
don't get me started on that. No, you have to
sit down phone another room.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That's the point of it.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I can do it while I'm well, now you've missed
a huge plot point. Well, because why have you, Laura
bro exactly. And so they're walking on the street and
Carrie says Miranda was big, just a big mistake, as
I shouldn't have picked him over Aiden, and Miranda just
looks at her sad and they both keep on walking.
I'm like, we're never going to pick that up again.
Seems like a pretty huge deal.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like there is definitely a
breakup coming between them if she cheats on him again,
like if they hear her, well I know, but if
they like actually get back together and she cheats on
him with the hot other, like I'm going to be
so pissed at her. She can't do that to him again.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well, now they had the talk. Apparently there was the
window of opportunity, but now it's closed. So also, if
it is going to go into another season, I feel
like this Aiden thing, they're in, this weird limbo. They've
given him and his family so much screen time. I
feel like that will come to a point where maybe
they'll say, like let's see each other again, Like let's
not see each other, but maybe we'll catch up in
a few years and and then she can go on
to date Duncan. That would be really cute.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I would like to see Lisa date the hot editor.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
No, I don't want her and Herbert to break.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I like Herbert because I also really like Camels.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, when people were like, I can't believe that
he's singing, I'm like, you don't have that man in
this show? Would not have him seen?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, he's amazing. I do really like him, and I
think he's a great husband. But the hot.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Marilyn Nut, No, I don't, I know. I want I
want someone took up and speaking of hot really quickly
before I go on to my point that I actually prepped.
So the gardener hooking up with Sema and singing Betty
Davis eres the same week that Jojo Si was getting
canned for singing Betty Davis eye full circle moment. I
just need everyone to know that's trade from the OC.
Like people know that, right. You didn't watch the OC.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like, no, I didn't watch, but not that closely.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
He's a massive character. So if you watched one of
the biggest seven, No, no, this is so important. So
in the OC, Ryan's brother Trey gets out of prison,
comes to with the family. Yeah, it's a huge, big thing.
It's it's the whole point of the season. And in
the end, Marissa because he's beating Ryan up, Trey's gonna
kill Ryan Marissaye and Marissa shoots him in the back
(31:18):
and that song plays. It's so great. So when he
was up at the party in the last episode singing
Betty Davis eyes, I was like, I'm so glad that
Trey Atwood after he left on the bus and went away,
found his feet and he's living New York and he's
fixing Carry's guard and he's dating singer. I just never
want to know that he's not he's see yet. Well
they're having how hot and heavy makeout session and he
sang to her at karaoke and it was hot. It
(31:39):
was so hot. I want no other thoughts on that,
no critique.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Why being so like man HATI.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't know. I just again, they introduced her as
a caro man like her. I do like her. I
love her. I love the actress. I love the character. Yeah,
sometimes I think people think that she maybe shouldn't want
love because they're like, she's meant to be this really
fierce character, and I was like, the whole point of
having complex characters is they're not these stereo cookie cut
of people like she's a fierce woman and she wears
animal prints, she doesn't need a man. She might be
(32:06):
all those things and desperately want to fall in love
like I feel.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like glad to Like I hate that matchmaker thing where
they were trying oh like that storyline that was great, No,
but I didn't like that the fact that she was
like the matchmaker was trying to tell saman to like
pull it, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, because she was being too much. But I think
that was the whole point where that she was like,
I'm gonna bean more than that. So they're just our
random thoughts on what's happening the season, which is I
hope what you guys wanted. But I would say I've
still seen a lot of people saying, when are we're
getting a Samantha cameo? When is she coming back? Because
obviously we have one at the end of last season.
But that was a huge thing with like the head
of HBO calling her directly, and Kim Cotrell only did
(32:40):
it if she could still be very much in control,
so she got to pick how she filmed. She said,
I'll only do it if Pat Fields comes back and
dresses specifically me, when she wouldn't dress the main women
in the cast, only if, like when she did the
phone call, that Sarah Jessica Parker wasn't on the other
end of it, so that all happens. So everyone's been really.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Asking, well, she was there in text.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That's a hard thing too, is like a lot of
people are saying, don't ask the actresses about it because
they shouldn't have to keep commenting on Kim Katrell, which
I do agree to an extent, especially so Jessica Parker,
because she's not going to say anything at this stage.
She's not gonna say anything bad about King Control. She's
kept her mouth shut for years and years and years,
like she's not going to do it now, especially when
she's doing all this press. But the actresses keep getting
(33:21):
asked about Kim Cantrell, about Samantha coming back, and it's
so interesting because it's the only big line of questioning
that they completely shut down. They don't want to be
asked it. And also they're going back and rewriting history
by saying that Samantha was not in their official group,
like this interview that was done during the press run.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Even in the past, I don't feel that Charlotte really
relied on Samantha that much for support.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We see Carrie and Samantha testing a lot this season
and in past seasons. Do you hope, as I do,
that Miranda and Samantha are testing this season and maybe
Miranda is reaching out to Samantha for some insight and
to support as she explores her sexuality.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
No, no, I don't. And in the beginning especially, sometimes
they have these funny episodes that I'm looking back on
now with the podcast where I take care of Samantha,
which is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But I don't feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Charlotte really relied on Samantha that much, So I don't
know if she'd reach out to her, but I do
think she'd.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Be friendly with her.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You know. I don't think she has any any particular
issues or problems, you know, with her.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I actually think this is valid because out of all
of them, Miranda and Samantha had the least sort of
relationship together apart from a time when Marita gave birth
and Samantha came over and too. The Vibrator on Lady
when he was a baby. Yes, they weren't ever really
like super super close.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yes they were, Okay, that's what people are saying.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
No were Miranda specifically.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
They were all close. They were four of them were close,
but in terms of we see them in scenes with
carry more, but they are like they were like a
four group of best friends. So what is Kristin Davis
doing saying that Samantha and Charlotte didn't have that much
to do with each other.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But you can be in a group of girlfriends and
have a group of four and there will always be
ones that are closer to others, right, So you know.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I not I yeah, I understand that, but I'm just
saying that that was never this fors theme. Like the
inference was that they were all very very close, like
the four of them, And yes, we often see them
in their shots with Carrie because she's the main character.
But it just felt very weird of Kristen Davis to
just it just not weird, like she's allowed to say
what she wants. But and she has gone back and
watched the show, where is Sara Jusca Parker hasn't? So
(35:32):
if anyone's across what's happening because christ and Davis hosts
a podcast now where she looks back at the show,
so I feel like it's fresh in her mind. I
just don't understand why she's rewriting history. And they could
have just kind of shrug that question of I don't
know that she is just I actually disagree with you here,
But I just feel like feels very pointed of her
to say that, because whether she believes or not, she
knew it would definitely get picked up. She knew that
(35:53):
it was like kind of drawing a line in the
sand between from everything we know, Kristen Davis and Cynthia
Nixon are still friendly with Kim Kachrall, especially Cynthia Nixon,
like they've had a few like online pleasantries and things.
But it was very much to me like kind of
drawing a line in the sand to say, I don't
even think that Samantha was really friends with the girls
and not with Charlotte. No, they wouldn't really be talking
or anything like that. And then for Cynthia to like
(36:15):
she's shut down that question so intensely.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Because she's over answering questions about King Patrol.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Because there's been some backlash to that clip. That's why
I've seen it, because it's got fans really divided. Like
some people are like angry at the journalists being stop
asking them and like stop bringing this up, and you're trying.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
To put she's exasperated, like and they said, no, leave
it alone.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Also, just in the defense of the interview because I'm
always on the interviewer site, is that they have put
Samantha's text as part of the story and so it's
part of the story. You have to ask it. I
just thought it was really interesting of like a how
they're trying to rewrite history and be how they are
so quick to shut that down from all the crazy
things they get asked on these press tours that they
(36:55):
just want this conversation gone. Well, so we're not getting
a Samantha cameo, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, we'll see, we'll see what happens. I mean, I
don't think we will either, but let's see what happens
with Aiden and Carry and then we'll be back with
a full brutally on its review.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
At the end of the sear And even with all
my criticism kind of say, I freaking love this show.
I love we do I love that it exists. I
love everything about it. I watch every episode five times.
I just want that all the record.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
This my critique of Miranda.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Was not watching a show. Is that you also critique it.
I have criticus of the original Sex and the City too,
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like, I'm just concerned for Miranda.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I understand that where's your backbone?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Girl? Like I want to see my Miranda again.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I feel like she's coming. She's coming. Well, thank you
so much for listening to The Spill today. Please come
to our social accounts the Spill podcast on Instagram and
let us know what you think of them, just like that,
because I'm open to everyone's thoughts and feelings. As we
don't want this journey together, I.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Would like someone to discuss with me and agree with
me on Miranda.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I'm sure the people will like Well, at the end
of the day, we'll all missed together. And if you
want even more of the Spill, which why wouldn't you
just remember that our show Morning Tea, which is the
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(38:12):
you even more stories. Just there's no need to see
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Speaker 1 (38:17):
Just want to thin your ears at all times.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
So the Spill is produced by Minitia is Worn with
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Bye bye,
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