July 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Today on The Spill, we’re diving into the phenomenon of nepo baby power couples... and why the internet we're all lowkey obsessed with them.
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Finally, Charlize Theron just gave one of the most raw, unfiltered interviews we’ve heard in a while on Call Her Daddy, opening up about her career, sex life, and why she's choosing to be single. And let's just say it's got some people clutching their pearls.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Skill your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Cassanya Lukic.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And I'm Laura Brodnick, and we do have a special
guest in the room, so I might just introduce her
right off the bat, since we talk about an hour
to bump her in. No, it's fine, it's fine. That
voice is someone you've heard recently airing her very disgruntled
thoughts on a new movie franchise that we won't bring
up now, so you're triggered. But it's Tina Berg, Mama's
entertainment editor.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
On today's show, and a lista has caused us her
with her latest raunchy interview admitting to amazing sex with
a twenty six year old, and we dive deep into
the law of Lewis Pullman and why the Mamma Mia
office can't get enough of this. Nepo Baby, You're going
to have to do a lot of explaining to me
on that particular one. But first, Nepo Baby, we love
(01:11):
now talking about Lewis Pullman. He has just sort of
been pictured with Kya Gober over the last seven months.
We're seeing them together more and more, and we thought
we'd kind of go into some of our favorite Nepo
babies Nepo baby relationships, like we're going above and beyond.
We're going over the top here.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, Nepo baby to have found in love with other
NEPO babies, which is the only kind of in breeding
I think we should get behind. I just think in
this case, I'm fine with it. In breeding. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's like royals marrying royals. It feels very I think
I said this before. It's very like Habsburg, like a
bit incestious.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Those celebrity blond lines clean. Yeah, one of.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
My favorites, which is kind of a little bit random
because neither of the children are really that big.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The children are talented.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, I'm just saying that they're not like big movie
stars or you know, models or anything. But Jasmine Lawrence
and Eric Murphy, which is Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy's kids,
and they found love and there some reason that just
like really warms my heart. It's like actually eighties comedy icons,
eighties nineties two thousands comedy icons together and their kids
(02:22):
like getting together, and they were.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Eloped, right, I hope that's the right celebrity couple I'm
thinking of. But they elopes. They didn't even have this
big opulate wedding where their two movie star dads would
have been like walking people down the aisle.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I just keep thinking of that scene in Bad
Boys when Martin Lawrence like is attacking the boyfriend. Yeah yeah,
and Will Smith comes up and they're both like hounding him,
and it kind of got that energy. Can you imagine
him being quite protective of his daughter. Another great one
is Francis bin Cobain and Riley Hawk.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's definitely the coolest of all the NEPO baby couple
ops that we've seen recently.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Francis beIN Cobain obviously daughter of Courtney Love and Kurt Cobain,
and then Riley Hawk is the son of Tony Hawk.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah. Order, that's a cool couple.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Like you'd want to hang out with them at the
pub for sure, Like they wouldn't want to hang out
with us, But that's fine. What about Charlie McDowell and
Lily Collins. My personal fath is that your faves. Well,
maybe we'll discuss my faves in a moment, but they're
my second faves. Maybe your runners up and just tell.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
People, I mean obviously I know, but tell people who
their famous parents are.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So Lily Collins Emily and Paris, her dad is Phil Collins.
And then Charlie McDowell has like a weird teared system
because his stepdad is Ted Danson, but his mum is
Mary Stein Bergin and his dad is Malcolm McDowell. So
he's got like, yeah, like this weird multi tiered system
of famous parents. He's like the male version of Dakota
Johnson because she's got like Don Johnson and Melanie Griffiths.
And then Antonio banderrez As was her stepfather, so it's
(03:44):
kind of like the three tiered celeb system. Yeah, and
like imagine Ted Danson just like being a stepdad in
law and like being at dinner.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
What a good time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'm more excited about Phil Collins because the Tarzan soundtrack
is I.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Say, no one's ever than that before. Everyone has said
that before. What do you mean Phil Collins over Ted Danson.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Phil Collins wrote the Tarzan soundtrack, which is not I
know the best soundtrack of Disney. That's like ever Been.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You'll be in My Heart is a beautiful song? Did
he abandon Lily col a little bit to go write
the song? And wasn't a dad but she's forgiven him? Yes,
I dance and he's like up here.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Like celebrity Google.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I never met anybody in my cherry picks some facts.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Then I could say anything. And you have a random side.
You've got the best memory.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I've got a photographic memory, and I'm using it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I do.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That's so I remember, but I'm not using it to
do anything good for that.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
This makes me feel not so bad because I'm always
like you just remember the most random names.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I have.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Things fall out of my head as soon as I
say them.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No, well that that sounds very peaceful, much more peaceful
than the way I live. But yeah, it'll feel Colin's
Ted dancing off like it's Ted dancing all the way,
Cheers the Good Place. Three men and a baby, three men,
a little lady. We could go on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
What else I do like to dance? I just it
has a special place in my heart.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well, well, I love it that this is We're just
fighting over these two select men over over there celebrity
offspring dating, But yeah, it does get yes, because like
Hollywood is so populated with nepo babies now that the
next tier up for them to like get extra headlines.
And I guess for them love, if that's what you
want to do, is for them to like pair up
(05:21):
and have this kind of jewel power and then their
babies will be even more like the Francis being Cobain baby,
which it's named, actually does escape me. I think they've
released it, but that baby's going to be unstoppable with
that lineage behind it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, speaking of unstoppable, Kaya Goeber was always someone who
when she was little, I remember seeing her when she
was little, going she's going to be a supermodel. Obviously,
parents are Randy Gerber and Sydney Crawford. It's exactly like
her mother. I've been obsessed with her for so long,
so seeing her with Austin Butler, I was always very
excited about that. They were a beautiful couple. But now
(05:54):
she's been linked with Lewis Pullman, and you know they
seem very loved up. Lewis Pullman is obviously the son
of Bill Pullman. Yeah, but there is like a weird
obsession with Lewis Pullman in this office.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Would we call it weird? Well, once like find the
backstory of you. Yes, So recent photos have come out
of Kaya and Lewis just holding hands. Nothing crazy or salacious,
but they did blow up the internet to like use
that term, and it's like proper way, this is like
that was the reaction.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
They also both ordered a smoothie and then she drank
from his smoothie.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That's hot.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Like it's like, I think that's really cute. I think
he tasted something weird and he said, can you taste
my smoothie?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Oh? I thought it was like a sexy thing like that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It was like it's like a lady the tramp thing
holding the same smoothie and then he like feeds her
his one.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That's lovely. That's just that's information from me to you. Well, no,
that is again there's a lot of unpack here and
everything I know about most things I know about Lewis Pullman,
I Philip do come from Tina. So your obsession with
him has translated into many Slack messages to me, many
messages off hours, I should say, not in working hours,
late night Instagram. Yeah, yeah, kind of like, look how
(07:03):
gorgeous this man is, and the two of them coming
together is interesting because Kaia's had like a really interesting
few years for a while. I think people including me,
really just wrote her off as the beautiful daughter of
Cindy Crawford, because it does look like someone has cut
Cindy Crawford's face with like a blunt knife and like
put it onto Kaya's face, like they look so similar.
And for a while I thought she was just a
(07:24):
beautiful background girl. But she's a really good comedic actress.
But she's so good in bottoms, she's so good recently
in overcompensating. So we're gonna throw to Tina after this
to explain the poll that Lewis Pullman has on the
world and why some people also might be a lot
said about this romance if they would like to marry
him themselvesa nana.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So, Tina, you're gonna have to explain to me you're
Lewis Pullman obsession, the law behind Lewis Pullman, because I've
purposely come into this a little bit cold because I
want to get it from you firsthand.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Okay, So, like back to nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Billbore.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Nineteen fifty three, strapping guys, Can I just say I
feel like we're in that stage for Marvel movie where
this where the smart scientist person is now going to
give us like two twenty minutes lead up of why
the world's going to end, But.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
It's about my crush away.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So nineteen fifty fifty three, the Pullman is born, so
he becomes an actor. We love him, we think he's
so hot. So he's in space Balls. He's in the
best romcom of all time, which is while you were
sleeping sarrying Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
We talk about this all the time.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And we have talked on the spill, so I hope
all the spills are worship and if you haven't Disney
pass check it out.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It is amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And he was just like this charming, beautiful man. He
meets his wife. Nineteen ninety three. I'm born and so
is Lewis Paul and we enter the world and here
we are are your birthdays close together? What's the timeline there?
He is like almost exactly five months older than me,
So like we're good. Yeah, okay, so your soul's pretty
much enter the universe at the same time. Yeah, I
think that they knew that, like we were meant to be,
(08:57):
so they put us here at the same time your
souls entered the world at the same time the universe new.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Honestly, I don't think I realized how funny.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I just have a really big crush. So I talked
to Lauria about this all the time, which is like
multi generational crushes. Yeah, it's what I've coined this when
you like find a dad hot and then you're the
same age as like their nepo offspring.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yes, he does sound like we're being very unprofessional, except
this is in our job description. Yes, not the late
night pictures you send me of him be fim the internet.
That sound so that will talk about off air, but
like these general discussions and work hours. Yes, yeah, we
love to talk about who's hot and like not just face,
who's hot in the zeitgeist, who's happening, and we like
to talk about who's physically and also who's physically attractive
(09:38):
to me? Yes, for sure. So Lewis Pullman actually went.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
To university and studied to become a social worker, so
he wasn't going We know that he wasn't going to
become an actor. Like his dad, and he was in
a predominantly female class, and I think this has given
him his like aura around women. Become a social work.
We wanted to become a social worker. And he grew
up in like Montana because Bill Pullman was like, let's.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Get out of calim and in love with him. Gah. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I also read that Bill Pullman didn't let them watch TV.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah he didn't. He was like very strict dad. He
like hung out around.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm so good for I meant to be in love
with bil or Lewis both.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So Bill Pullman's like charming and like lovely, and then
he has a kid and he raises that kid great.
And then the kid looks exactly like him and sounds
exactly like him, but is even more of a sweety pie.
So then Lewis Pullman goes to become a social worker
and then he's like, actually, I think I want to
follow my dad's footsteps. But he works at it for
years and then he owns his craft and then he
(10:33):
like is in top Gun Maverick, Like he learns to
fly a plane.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But he plays it. He's a nerdy guy, right, I
feel like when if you see the nerdy guy, and
I rote people like because they just looking at the
like the main guy in that beach montage, he's like
the only one who keeps his shirt off. Yeah, yeah,
that's hot.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But I think that was a character shows because he
does have abs, so oh yeah he does. I think
that was like a conscious decision to be a nerd.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
It's the best kind of hot hot, but doesn't know
it exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And then yeah, so he was in a few things,
but like he's very charming in like Lessons in Chemistry
with Bree Larsen, although like maybe stop a couple episodes
in because then it gets sad, Like if you want
to see him be hot, just don't watch the whole thing, Like,
oh watch three episodes. True, you could do that, but.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You don't look at his face. Won't know all the differences.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, we're going for the thirst, not the like realism.
But he's been and like he was in like Bad
Times at the l Royale with Chris Hemsworth. Like he's
been in a few bits and pieces coming up, a
lot of indie projects. Yeah, but then now he's a
serious actor. He's honing his craft. He's not just an
emper baby like riding on Bill Pullman's looks. He's got
his own skills. There is a charm to him. Okay,
(11:34):
he wears like cowboy boots to red carpets, like he's
real Southern. At times he's a sweetie. And then now
he's in like the Marvel universe, he's in Thunderbolts.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I do think I think Casanya was waiting for some
big reveal was so hot. No reveal is he wears
cowboy boots and he's just cute. He is just cute.
There's like you have to watch him do interviews.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Is he funny?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He's very funny. Okay, yeah, he's so funny. I haven't
done if I've seen this he is.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think where this all came out, like where his
personality started coming out, was the fact that all those
top gun boys did like press together all the time,
so they were all doing like their junk some like
their little zoom calls, and like he'd be there with
like Glenn Powell, who's obviously you know, beautiful man another
team but a real show, and yet Lewis would often
be like the.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Most charming one.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah, and then in a lot of clips with like
Florence Pew and Sebastian stand for Thunderbolts. Like there's a
lot of cute Florence and Lewis moments that are making
everyone really excited, and I.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Think it's the emotional arc. Yeah, Thunderbolts as well.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
It's important to know amazing character and like he's going
to come back, so like I think this is his shining,
this is his new moment. He's in the spotlight. And
that is often when Kaya Gerber sweeps in and gets you.
Oh wow, she's a delightful, talented lady, and she knows
how to pick a hot boy of the month. Oh yeah,
she is really good at picking a hot boy in
the act and we love that for her. She gets
them like on the ground on the right, just as
(12:55):
they're about to blow up. So I feel like she'd
be really good at like real estate investments as well,
because she's really good investing in her love life. But
I almost feel like saying that it's a bit intense
for her because people think that she.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Had her Iron Austin Butler from the moment she was
a kid. Do you remember that photo that's This photo
haunts me. I'm talking about me where she's at the
high school musical. I want to say two. Maybe it's
three premiere and she's meeting Vanessa Hudgens with her mum,
and she's a tiny little child. And Vanessa Hudgens, even
though only a couple of years older than her, well
maybe like a good like six or seven or something
like that, but enough enough that at that stage one
(13:27):
looks like a tiny, tiny child, one looks like a
full grown woman. And they're meeting and everyone's like they
don't know at the moment, but Vanessa Hudgens, like long
term partner is going to leave her and go directly
in the future to this tiny little girl that she's
greeting at the premiere.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Okay, Sokya. Gober is ten years younger than me.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Do you want a moment to I think I need
a moment.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
To process that I'm in my mid thirties now, I know.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Because in my head CANi Gober and I are the
same age, but realistically her teen.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Mother, I'm still fill twenty five, but I'm definitely not.
She's twenty three and Lewis is thirty two.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, so how do I feel about that age? I
don't feel fantastic about it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It's actually it doesn't bother me, but it doesn't bother
me too much because she's getting a bit older. Her
and Austin bothered me. I know she's still so young.
They're like Austin but older than Lewis. Yeah, and she
was like nine. What about Pete Davidson, Like she was
like eighteen when she Davidson age Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It's deflecting. I was pulling in all these other men,
pulling all the others.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think that, particularly someone like Kyas she's been in
the industry for a very long time, she is going
to be older.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It doesn't that doesn't shock me. I think that's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I'm okay with her.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's under ten years. Under ten years.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
She's twenty three and he's thirty one. He's thirty two,
thirty two, thirty two.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
All right, when I was twenty three, if you gave
me a hot celebrity man, who.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Was her, I don't go on to a hot celebrity man.
It's literally, as I said, well what I celebrate her for.
I just feel like I wasn't aware of the age
gap because in my mind, Lewis Pullman was like mid twenties.
Because I feel like he's just appeared recently. I just
think we wouldn't be giving them a pass if you
were in love with him, or if they weren't.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Like she's only nine years it's under ten. I would
say anything under a decade.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Okay with I'm tentative. I think you'd go to be
over twenty five, so your frontal front alone. Yeah, yeah,
so I get that, But I don't begrudge them the
smoothie sharing and the handholding. I love that these two
have literally just walked outside, heldhounds for a moment and
shared one beverage and its spawned. It did because they've
been a couple now since like January, and it just
(15:25):
feels like suddenly the Internet like blew up this morning
with people caring.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I think also because she looks so good, like she's
just spring a pair of denim shorts and a crop top.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
They look good. But I think hot young rich people
is like we're invested in them. But I think it's
also just the fact that their careers are both blown up. Yeah,
because for a while there, when Kya Gerbert was dating
famous man, like she was a little bit just Cindy
Crawford's daughter, or she was just a model and that's
a bit like yawn predictable, like there's something interesting about her.
It was when she started doing all these movie rolls
(15:54):
or TV rolls, and the fact that she's actually quite
charming and very funny on a red carpet and very
like witty in things and in that way of like
almost like when we talk about like when Ema Koski
leans into being like, yeah, I'm so hot and it's hilarious.
I love when Kya Gerbert does that too, because it's
like literally, yeah, and bottoms was fantastic. Yeah's she's green
in that. Yeah, and her and overcompensating. She is kind
(16:14):
of playing the same character. But it's fine and I'm
okay with it. She's playing a hot girl. Yeah. But
and also that then lewis having this huge rise of
like all these indie projects and top Gun a Maverick
and now joining Marvel in such a big role. Bob huge.
No one knew who was Bob.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Bob that's his name in most things, Bob. He's been
Bob in like three He's been bobbed many times and
he sits it. But I agree, I think like they've
been dating, well, no one really cared. It's only because
he's now hot and interesting, and I've been really like
personally pushing this agenda like yeah first edits every day
if I could yeah again.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I think that Muma Miry and the Spill Instagram has
a lot to do with the rise of Lewis Pullman. Directly,
I would.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Argue that it does, and I do want to thank
you because I'm more charmed by him since your explanations,
particularly because it started in nineteen fifty three a throwback.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But honestly, guys, Bill Pullman, Lewis Pullman, what hot is? What?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
My god? You can have so much fun when you
care about who's home. Wait till they have a child
together and you can lust over the grandson. I think
we passed in appropriately so long ago. I am a
younger than both of them. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well, Tina, thank you so much for joining us. We're
gonna let you go, so you're gonna have to kind
of awkwardly squeeze out of here, but I'll.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
See you back at our shoes. I'll see you there.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Everybody go Follow Lewis on Instagram, Following Half on Instagram,
Follow The Spill.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Okay, so we all love an unfiltered interview and Charlie
Sarron has people clutching their pearls in her latest chat
with Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy. Now, Charlie's has
been doing a lot of promotion for her new Netflix
movie Old Guard Too, and look, Alex Cooper is known
for doing these kind of raunchy interviews and that's kind
(17:58):
of why people love her. So it's interesting to me
how there's been quite a bit of like talk around this,
considering it's only because Charlie's thereon is a forty nine
year old woman that people are kind of up in
arms about this. But I do want to kind of
go into the interview because it's really really interesting. Charlie's
has had a pretty incredible life, pretty traumatic one to
(18:20):
start within her younger years. Do you want to take
us through her early life and kind of what we
find out about her?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah? So I think what is so kind of refreshing
about this interview is I feel like the words unfiltered raw,
This is a real conversation. Those words are thrown around
so much in media at the moment, particularly in podcasts,
which I understand because that's the content we all want.
But the more those words get thrown around, and the
more podcasts, especially with celebrities, become these things that like,
(18:48):
rarely do people listen to the full, especially this once
an hour and a half. You just know that people
aren't listening to that, even though I know Call Her
Daddy has huge downlow numbers, but a lot of people
will just be seeing the little clips and the headlines
and stuff. And so what was interested at this interview
is it does feel raw and unfiltered to a certain extent,
but not so much for the sex stuff, which we'll
get into. Like, I mean, I'm sure you're the same.
(19:10):
I've had white more intense conversations with my girlfriends over
like Saffy this than this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
This is why I don't understand the backlash. I don't
think it's backlash. It's just a few grumpy people with them.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
But people like this. People are angry about it. But
there's people who are like, oh, it's so shocking, I
can't believe she said that, And I was like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Just not I have way dirty or conversations with my
hands one.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Hundred Well again, this is again. I don't think neither
of them were even trying to be dirty or shocking.
It's like when you have a normal adult conversation about
life and relationships, sex will come into it. And I
think she just said some stuff out of this kind
of cookie cut of thing of what Hollywood people are
supposed to say. And this is why we're getting this
big run of very bland interviews at the moment. Like
just seeing at the fact that Anne Hathaway is on
(19:52):
the cover of Vogue at the moment and no shade
anne Hathaway. I really love her, and I don't think
that every time a slub wants to promote a movie
they have to like open up a vein and let
all of their traum wall fall out. But I read
that cover thinking we would do it on the spill,
and like, the pictures are beautiful and the story is interesting,
but there's no big reveals, there's no personal information, there's
no real thought because I think they're so worried about
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things getting picked up through clickbait. But the thing about
Charlie Samarone is that every time she almost does an interview,
her life is so different to so many people in Hollywood.
And this and the story of fame of NEPO babies
that we talk about so much that I think even
if she's not meaning to be shocking or irreverent, it
comes across that way. So she was born and initially
raised in South Africa, and took a bit about this
(20:35):
in this interview and also like the New York Times
every interview she's done. And she was primarily raised by
her mother, Girder, who she's still really really closely if
they like live together in Hollywood now and they're raising
her kids together.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Her first language also is Afrikaans, it's not English.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yes, And she was always really beautiful growing up. She
talks about not really knowing what fame was and seeing
magazines around but thinking that people in the magazines were
just kind of like regular people because she was so
far removed from that Hollywood life. And then she ended
up in her teen years so beautiful that she was
able to like move overseas and model and then move
to America and kind of move into acting. But the
(21:10):
store there is like she was raised on this farm
in South Africa mostly by her mother, Gerda, and her
father was very aggressive, abusive, substance alcoholic, very abusive to
her and her mother. And what happened was on one
particular night, he was so enraged and attacking them. That
he was in their home in South Africa, and Charlie's
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and her mum ran into a bedroom and shut the door,
and he took a gun and fired three bullets through
the door, and Shellie's throne always says like it's a
miracle that those bullets missed us. And so in self defense,
which is again why she wasn't taken to court or
anything like that, her mother, Gerda, picked up a gun
and shot him, and she has said in interviews her
mother that it was either shoot him or my daughter
(21:53):
was going to die. So Shelleie's like saw that happen,
and that's like kind of this anchor of her and
her mother and their story and this like life they've
built together, which is very much peppered by her fame,
but also more of like the life. What I thought
was more interesting than her fame is the life that
they've built, and that's I think she's so unfiltered and
she doesn't give a fuck, because why would she after
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everything she's been through.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I thought it was really interesting at the start
of the interview she talks a little bit about how
in that environment that she was in therapy wasn't a
thing like culturally, that was not something that she was
ever exposed to. And she said that the next.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Day she actually go to school. Yeah, exactly, she went
to school.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The next day after her mother shot her father.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I mean that is quite a way to be
brought up. And I think because we're so used to
seeing and again, I know we're saying this unfilded thing,
but this very polished and particular cause Charlie's is part
of that old guard of A listers rather than you know,
these younger A listers who are used to being a
little bit more open and honest. Even though Charlie's is
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known for being honest in her interviews, this just felt
so much more raw. So one of the big headlines
that kind of everybody has picked up is that she
had sex with this twenty six year old.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I've probably had three one night stands in my entire life, okay,
but I did just recently fuck a twenty six year
old and it was really fucking amazing. Fuck yes, yes,
and I've never done that, and I was like, oh,
this is great.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Okay, let me just say that twenty six year old
is the luckiest fucking man walking on this goddamn planet.
He's walking different today. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
This particular line was picked up by Megan Kelly. Former
Fox News host. Meghan Kelly basically said about this. She
said that it was really vulgar and off putting, and
she actually thinks that Charlie's thereon is overcompensating and that
this never happened.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
She's actually a lesbian. Oh wow, what a broad stroke
to take.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I know, it was like this really intense thing, and
I was like, just because a woman is enjoying sex
and talking to another woman about enjoying sex, she's a
single woman who is absolutely stunning.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No one bats an.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Eyelid for a man who's almost fifty having sex with
a twenty six year old and also just a one
night stand. It's not like she's dating the guy. She's
having a bit of fun with him. Leave the poor
woman alone. And the fact that Megan Kelly is like, oh,
I have a theory that she's actually a lesbian because
she's overcompensating.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Megan Kelly's got to get her views up. I know
she was like a proper journalist at one stage, but
she's now just an outrage clickchaser. Yeah, that's literally and
I don't say that about everyone whose opinions I disagree with,
but that is what she has deteriorated too, So that's
why she's doing those kind of headlines.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, and it's just really interesting to make you know
that movie Bombshells from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, Margo Robbie's in it too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So Charlie Sarner actually plays Megan Kelly in that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Movie, and she's great in it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
She's so good in it. But it's so interesting that
she can have this comment about someone that played her.
It's kind of a weird inception moment.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And I guess some people would think, like, is Megan
Kelly coming for her because she played in that movie.
But I think if you consume Megan Kelly's work, which
I try not to but it does find me on
the internet, she is an equal opportunity hater. She would
be saying this about Charlie's regardless, because she hates anyone
who steps out of a very kind of cookie cutter,
prim very old school way of living.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I just don't really get, like, why are we shocked
that a woman is enjoying sex? And one of the
other things that Charlie's talks about is like advice, sex advice,
and you know, she's like, oh, well, I'm the last
person to give you sex advice. But Charlie's is like,
you need to look out for yourself, Like stop trying
(25:41):
to please men in the bedroom. If you would have
an orgasm, you need a vibrator, like go grab it,
and like you look after yourself. And I found that
just really refreshing, And I think that that's what an
older woman. That's the kind of advice that an older
woman should be given to a younger generation.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Like also on like that of like who we're listening
to for advice and who kind of gets to speak
on this stuff like it shouldn't be this way, but
like a very attractive woman who's very famous and adored
worldwide saying that, Like I hate to say it, but
people give more credence to that because a lot of
the time that other people are talking about like you know,
having sex with whoever they want, or not being in
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a relationship or choosing to be single or not having
found the love of their life, if they're not conventionally attractive,
then the conversation is like, oh, they couldn't get anyone,
or who would want them? Or they're just angry and bitter.
But I think like, in a way, it's more interesting
with Charlie's saying it, because I mean she's more than
her looks. But like she did get into the industry.
She was like training to be a ballerina at the
Joffrey Ballet School, which is very prestigious, and she suffered
(26:41):
an injury and so then she moved more full time
into modeling, and she did get her first lot of
Hollywood roles for being beautiful and looking stunning on a
red carpet, looking stunnying in the background of a movie,
and she.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Kind of started the whole trope of you have to
get ugly to get an oscar.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, I mean yeah, she very much like lent In too.
I remember the first time I saw Charlie is the
Road a picture of her. I have such a visceral
memory on it because it was when she was the
Oscars for The Cider House Rules, one of her first
big movies, and she's wearing that tangerine backless scout backless
all the way down and I was on your Child
at the time. But those photos went all over the
world of like, look at this movie star, and so
(27:20):
address cemented her as a movie star in saying that
though pretty only gets you like it gets you into
the industry, but there's a lot of pretty people that
go into that industry and then don't have the success
that she's had. Like I said, she's been in so
many huge franchises like Fast and Furious, but other you know,
other big franchises. But more than that, she's also done
like a lot of comedic roles. She won her oscar
from Monster in two thousand and four. Yes, and she's
(27:42):
incredible in that, And yes, she had to get ugly,
the very traditional.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's kind of also in that same vein of what
Margo Robbie did for Eytonia. She kind of like stripped
things back and that's when people take them quote unquote seriously.
And I know that sounds really silly.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
But she's well, it does. It does, I guess make
people think of this idea of like, oh, look, she
made herself into this other person and so you're more
likely to get an oscar for that. But she's great
in that movie.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
She's great, and that meets a great movie. One of
the other things that I love. One of the other
lines she talks about, like fetishes in the bedroom. Yeah,
she says, I'm not thrown by weird shit. I'm into
weird shit, except maybe the nosing and the no thing
she's referring to as a guy asked her to make
out with his nose.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
That's just to me not very sexy. I understand a
lot of the things that people in to. I totally
get the feet being, I totally get other stuff. The
nose making out is a new one.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, she was was quite funny saying her talk about that.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, but it was just nice. It was it's like
almost really cute and placid, like what you do with
like a teenager if you were like too scared to
like anything else.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's kind of like soaking in.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I don't know, No, don't care, but you know, it
was really refreshing to me to hear her talk about
sex relationships and just being really open about it, and
particularly as a woman who is a single mother. She's
got two kids who are adopted, who she's raised on
her own, and it's just refreshing to hear her talk
(29:07):
about a life where she is happy being single. She's
happy to just have sex with men and them not
be in her home. Yeah, and being a mother to
her children.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You don't quite realize until you have kids. And I'm
not saying that it replaces one love with the other,
but it is such a tremendous love that I do
not miss love. You know, I might miss sex.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Fair, that's fair. My vibrator is only doing some much. Yeah, no,
live the vibrator is good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
And I'm having I listen, I'm having, I'm having. I'm
having the kind of sex I never had in my
twenties or in my thirties. Yes, and so that part
has been really exciting. But I'm not missing relation, like
a relationship. I'm not missing the partnership that I think
people think you miss when you're me.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's what I really loved is that there's a few
different kind of like elements to this story. One is
that I do find it really like helpful and refreshing
when celebrity women in particular live outside the norm in
some ways, whether that be like never getting married, never
having children, adopting children as a single mother, because I
(30:15):
just think like celebrity culture is still so heightened that
whether you agree with this or not, it does sometimes
make it feel better for normal women to see these
women who are held up as like the pinnacles of
society doing the same thing as you and not just
living one particular life. On the other side of that,
it can be upsetting watching it because a lot of
(30:36):
these celebrity women who talk about being single mothers, which
I'm totally on board with a single mother thing completely,
but I also think a lot of that comes from
having a huge amount of money to being able to
not just support your children, but if you go down
the surrogacy route, even adoption can be very expensive and
difficult in the fees then and knowing that you have
the money to raise multiple children, so it's almost as
(30:58):
given take. It's like beautiful to see but also unattainable. Yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Don't love the phrase, oh, she's this struggling single mom,
because she's not. And I don't think she ever says that. No, No,
I don't think she's like, oh, I'm a struggling single mom.
She's not trying to relate to people who are not
getting any support from fathers of their children and are
working three jobs and trying to put food on the table.
(31:23):
She's not relating to that. I think she's more talking
about raising children on her own as opposed to in
a partnership.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yes, and for her daughters, being the sole caregiver, love giver,
decision maker, disciplinarian, everything in one kind of. And I
know that her mother is really close to her and
they have she's talked about almost like raising the children together.
But at the end of the day, she's the single mom,
like she's the one on the front line. And I
do love when she speaks that way, particularly in this
interview I thought was really emotional where she talks about
(31:54):
being enough for her children and like knowing she's enough,
and she's like maybe one day they'll tell a different story,
and they can. But she also just has this home
filled with love, And I just don't think that you
hear single mother stories like that that much. Yeah, And
I really not relate to it because I don't have kids,
But I was raised by a single mother who raised
four children, and so many people when they're being faced
(32:16):
with being a single mother will ask me about that
because I guess they see like my siblings and I
been like really happy, really close, really like well adjusted people.
Some of us are successful, some of us are on
a podcast, so less so. But this thing and they
always say, like, was it okay? What was it like?
And I'm always like, it's obviously is a lot harder,
especially if you have this celebrity money, But I think
you can still feel like completely loved and whole and
(32:40):
like your family doesn't feel like it's missing an element.
And that's why I love when I hear Shellie's talking
about that, and also talking about the fact like not
having a father and husband in the house. There's a
line in that podcast where she says, the joy of
living completely the way you want to live, and shaping
your life the way you want to live, and being
a parent exactly the way you want I don't think
(33:01):
that's a that's a light thing to throw away. Like
what she sounds like almost like wish fulfillment. I feel
like for a lot of people. And I really relate
to when she says growing up in like mostly with
a single mother, but like with an abusive father, because
I grew up exactly the same way, and having like
her mum take her out of that situation, and then
(33:21):
being an adult and shaping your own life. It's almost
like being alone in a happy home. It is the
fairy tale because you grew up in a different way,
and she chose that. Yeah, and that idea that I'm
choosing this life when thinking that there wasn't a choice.
So I think that that, like, and everyone's getting all
right up over the sex stuff, and like that is interesting.
Love that for her, hate that she made up with
a nose, Love everything else she's doing. But I also
(33:44):
think that the truly inspiring, groundbreaking bit is a choosing
to be alone and choosing to be single with children. Yeah,
that's the bit, Laura.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I think that. I mean, that's really beautiful. Thank you
for sharing that. I think that that really is a
big takeaway from this. And the other thing that I
really love is just like maybe my kids will tell
a different story. And that's I mean, I think about
this constantly. I think about constantly how I'm going to
fuck up my kids.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Speaking from the outside, but I think a lot of
parents and worry. I worry. I say, the fact that
you're even thinking about that makes you ten steps ahead
of so many other parents, So you're okay because what
everyone thinks about that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But it was such again for me, I was like,
that's a relief. Maybe they will. I will do my best.
I will, you know, love them the best way that
I know how, and if that's the story that they
want to tell, that they are going to have their
own lives. Yeah, And that I thought was really like poignant.
But yeah, that's a really nice insight into the single
mother thing because I did for me that like definitely
(34:40):
resonated because she was like, I chose this, and I'm
a single mom, but not in the same way that
my mum was a single mom.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, because she had the control over it. And I
love how she also talks about the fact that she
would never want a man to come in and move
into this beautiful, happy, loving ecosystem that she and her
two daughters have. But it's also not this whole thing
of like and again, if you are like man hating
or whatever, also totally fine and justified, especially in this
recent environment. But she does talk about the fact that
life stage has changed and like maybe in ten years
(35:10):
or so, over twenty years, when her daughters have moved
out and she's like in her sixties and seventies, that
she might change her mind and want to share space
with a partner. But it feels like something that might
come along, not the end game. Yeah, And I'm also
going to say. The other thing is like people are
shocked by Shelly's thron they don't pity her in the
same way that they would still pity someone like jenniferannerstant
And I do feel like that's also feels a little
(35:32):
uneven because because she's got children, it's almost like people like, oh, few,
like she's got one thing, you know, she's got that
one thing, so like we'll pity her on this and
not on that. So it's not a perfect scenario. But
I did really find this is this interview and every
other interview because she's done about this, because she does
a lot of interviews about this. She speaks about it
all the time, but it's like it's not as salacious
as some other things, so doesn't get picked up as
(35:52):
much as other celebrity interviews.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
But now I think it's important to like bring it up. Yes,
the sex stuff is fun, and like great, it's also
to be fun.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I would listen to her talk about sex all day
and night. But yes, I feel like she does in
her free time.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I one hundred percent agree with you. That is something
that it actually really struck me. That was to me
a lot more interesting than the sex stuff. But you know, yeah, no,
I love the sex stuff too.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's all great. And we'll link the four call her
Daddy into you in the show notes and I would
just say, yeah, consume more of Charlie's throw and I
looked forward to her daughters growing up and becoming the
NEPO babies that we want them to be. Enjoining there
to bring it back full circle to the top of
this episode and just then we can talk about their
love list.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Guys.
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Bye Bye, Lan
So much.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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to bump her in. No, it's fine, it's fine. That
voice is someone you've heard recently airing her very disgruntled
thoughts on a new movie franchise that we won't bring
up now, so you're triggered. But it's Tina Berg, Mama's
entertainment editor.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
On today's show, and a lista has caused us her
with her latest raunchy interview admitting to amazing sex with
a twenty six year old, and we dive deep into
the law of Lewis Pullman and why the Mamma Mia
office can't get enough of this. Nepo Baby, You're going
to have to do a lot of explaining to me
on that particular one. But first, Nepo Baby, we love
(01:11):
now talking about Lewis Pullman. He has just sort of
been pictured with Kya Gober over the last seven months.
We're seeing them together more and more, and we thought
we'd kind of go into some of our favorite Nepo
babies Nepo baby relationships, like we're going above and beyond.
We're going over the top here.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, Nepo baby to have found in love with other
NEPO babies, which is the only kind of in breeding
I think we should get behind. I just think in
this case, I'm fine with it. In breeding. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's like royals marrying royals. It feels very I think
I said this before. It's very like Habsburg, like a
bit incestious.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Those celebrity blond lines clean. Yeah, one of.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
My favorites, which is kind of a little bit random
because neither of the children are really that big.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The children are talented.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, I'm just saying that they're not like big movie
stars or you know, models or anything. But Jasmine Lawrence
and Eric Murphy, which is Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy's kids,
and they found love and there some reason that just
like really warms my heart. It's like actually eighties comedy icons,
eighties nineties two thousands comedy icons together and their kids
(02:22):
like getting together, and they were.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Eloped, right, I hope that's the right celebrity couple I'm
thinking of. But they elopes. They didn't even have this
big opulate wedding where their two movie star dads would
have been like walking people down the aisle.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I just keep thinking of that scene in Bad
Boys when Martin Lawrence like is attacking the boyfriend. Yeah yeah,
and Will Smith comes up and they're both like hounding him,
and it kind of got that energy. Can you imagine
him being quite protective of his daughter. Another great one
is Francis bin Cobain and Riley Hawk.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's definitely the coolest of all the NEPO baby couple
ops that we've seen recently.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Francis beIN Cobain obviously daughter of Courtney Love and Kurt Cobain,
and then Riley Hawk is the son of Tony Hawk.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah. Order, that's a cool couple.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Like you'd want to hang out with them at the
pub for sure, Like they wouldn't want to hang out
with us, But that's fine. What about Charlie McDowell and
Lily Collins. My personal fath is that your faves. Well,
maybe we'll discuss my faves in a moment, but they're
my second faves. Maybe your runners up and just tell.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
People, I mean obviously I know, but tell people who
their famous parents are.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So Lily Collins Emily and Paris, her dad is Phil Collins.
And then Charlie McDowell has like a weird teared system
because his stepdad is Ted Danson, but his mum is
Mary Stein Bergin and his dad is Malcolm McDowell. So
he's got like, yeah, like this weird multi tiered system
of famous parents. He's like the male version of Dakota
Johnson because she's got like Don Johnson and Melanie Griffiths.
And then Antonio banderrez As was her stepfather, so it's
(03:44):
kind of like the three tiered celeb system. Yeah, and
like imagine Ted Danson just like being a stepdad in
law and like being at dinner.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
What a good time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'm more excited about Phil Collins because the Tarzan soundtrack
is I.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Say, no one's ever than that before. Everyone has said
that before. What do you mean Phil Collins over Ted Danson.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Phil Collins wrote the Tarzan soundtrack, which is not I
know the best soundtrack of Disney. That's like ever Been.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You'll be in My Heart is a beautiful song? Did
he abandon Lily col a little bit to go write
the song? And wasn't a dad but she's forgiven him? Yes,
I dance and he's like up here.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Like celebrity Google.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I never met anybody in my cherry picks some facts.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Then I could say anything. And you have a random side.
You've got the best memory.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I've got a photographic memory, and I'm using it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I do.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That's so I remember, but I'm not using it to
do anything good for that.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
This makes me feel not so bad because I'm always
like you just remember the most random names.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I have.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Things fall out of my head as soon as I
say them.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No, well that that sounds very peaceful, much more peaceful
than the way I live. But yeah, it'll feel Colin's
Ted dancing off like it's Ted dancing all the way,
Cheers the Good Place. Three men and a baby, three men,
a little lady. We could go on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
What else I do like to dance? I just it
has a special place in my heart.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well, well, I love it that this is We're just
fighting over these two select men over over there celebrity
offspring dating, But yeah, it does get yes, because like
Hollywood is so populated with nepo babies now that the
next tier up for them to like get extra headlines.
And I guess for them love, if that's what you
want to do, is for them to like pair up
(05:21):
and have this kind of jewel power and then their
babies will be even more like the Francis being Cobain baby,
which it's named, actually does escape me. I think they've
released it, but that baby's going to be unstoppable with
that lineage behind it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, speaking of unstoppable, Kaya Goeber was always someone who
when she was little, I remember seeing her when she
was little, going she's going to be a supermodel. Obviously,
parents are Randy Gerber and Sydney Crawford. It's exactly like
her mother. I've been obsessed with her for so long,
so seeing her with Austin Butler, I was always very
excited about that. They were a beautiful couple. But now
(05:54):
she's been linked with Lewis Pullman, and you know they
seem very loved up. Lewis Pullman is obviously the son
of Bill Pullman. Yeah, but there is like a weird
obsession with Lewis Pullman in this office.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Would we call it weird? Well, once like find the
backstory of you. Yes, So recent photos have come out
of Kaya and Lewis just holding hands. Nothing crazy or salacious,
but they did blow up the internet to like use
that term, and it's like proper way, this is like
that was the reaction.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
They also both ordered a smoothie and then she drank
from his smoothie.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That's hot.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Like it's like, I think that's really cute. I think
he tasted something weird and he said, can you taste
my smoothie?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Oh? I thought it was like a sexy thing like that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It was like it's like a lady the tramp thing
holding the same smoothie and then he like feeds her
his one.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That's lovely. That's just that's information from me to you. Well, no,
that is again there's a lot of unpack here and
everything I know about most things I know about Lewis Pullman,
I Philip do come from Tina. So your obsession with
him has translated into many Slack messages to me, many
messages off hours, I should say, not in working hours,
late night Instagram. Yeah, yeah, kind of like, look how
(07:03):
gorgeous this man is, and the two of them coming
together is interesting because Kaia's had like a really interesting
few years for a while. I think people including me,
really just wrote her off as the beautiful daughter of
Cindy Crawford, because it does look like someone has cut
Cindy Crawford's face with like a blunt knife and like
put it onto Kaya's face, like they look so similar.
And for a while I thought she was just a
(07:24):
beautiful background girl. But she's a really good comedic actress.
But she's so good in bottoms, she's so good recently
in overcompensating. So we're gonna throw to Tina after this
to explain the poll that Lewis Pullman has on the
world and why some people also might be a lot
said about this romance if they would like to marry
him themselvesa nana.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So, Tina, you're gonna have to explain to me you're
Lewis Pullman obsession, the law behind Lewis Pullman, because I've
purposely come into this a little bit cold because I
want to get it from you firsthand.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Okay, So, like back to nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Billbore.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Nineteen fifty three, strapping guys, Can I just say I
feel like we're in that stage for Marvel movie where
this where the smart scientist person is now going to
give us like two twenty minutes lead up of why
the world's going to end, But.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
It's about my crush away.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So nineteen fifty fifty three, the Pullman is born, so
he becomes an actor. We love him, we think he's
so hot. So he's in space Balls. He's in the
best romcom of all time, which is while you were
sleeping sarrying Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
We talk about this all the time.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And we have talked on the spill, so I hope
all the spills are worship and if you haven't Disney
pass check it out.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It is amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And he was just like this charming, beautiful man. He
meets his wife. Nineteen ninety three. I'm born and so
is Lewis Paul and we enter the world and here
we are are your birthdays close together? What's the timeline there?
He is like almost exactly five months older than me,
So like we're good. Yeah, okay, so your soul's pretty
much enter the universe at the same time. Yeah, I
think that they knew that, like we were meant to be,
(08:57):
so they put us here at the same time your
souls entered the world at the same time the universe new.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Honestly, I don't think I realized how funny.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I just have a really big crush. So I talked
to Lauria about this all the time, which is like
multi generational crushes. Yeah, it's what I've coined this when
you like find a dad hot and then you're the
same age as like their nepo offspring.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yes, he does sound like we're being very unprofessional, except
this is in our job description. Yes, not the late
night pictures you send me of him be fim the internet.
That sound so that will talk about off air, but
like these general discussions and work hours. Yes, yeah, we
love to talk about who's hot and like not just face,
who's hot in the zeitgeist, who's happening, and we like
to talk about who's physically and also who's physically attractive
(09:38):
to me? Yes, for sure. So Lewis Pullman actually went.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
To university and studied to become a social worker, so
he wasn't going We know that he wasn't going to
become an actor. Like his dad, and he was in
a predominantly female class, and I think this has given
him his like aura around women. Become a social work.
We wanted to become a social worker. And he grew
up in like Montana because Bill Pullman was like, let's.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Get out of calim and in love with him. Gah. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I also read that Bill Pullman didn't let them watch TV.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah he didn't. He was like very strict dad. He
like hung out around.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm so good for I meant to be in love
with bil or Lewis both.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So Bill Pullman's like charming and like lovely, and then
he has a kid and he raises that kid great.
And then the kid looks exactly like him and sounds
exactly like him, but is even more of a sweety pie.
So then Lewis Pullman goes to become a social worker
and then he's like, actually, I think I want to
follow my dad's footsteps. But he works at it for
years and then he owns his craft and then he
(10:33):
like is in top Gun Maverick, Like he learns to
fly a plane.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But he plays it. He's a nerdy guy, right, I
feel like when if you see the nerdy guy, and
I rote people like because they just looking at the
like the main guy in that beach montage, he's like
the only one who keeps his shirt off. Yeah, yeah,
that's hot.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But I think that was a character shows because he
does have abs, so oh yeah he does. I think
that was like a conscious decision to be a nerd.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
It's the best kind of hot hot, but doesn't know
it exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And then yeah, so he was in a few things,
but like he's very charming in like Lessons in Chemistry
with Bree Larsen, although like maybe stop a couple episodes
in because then it gets sad, Like if you want
to see him be hot, just don't watch the whole thing, Like,
oh watch three episodes. True, you could do that, but.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You don't look at his face. Won't know all the differences.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, we're going for the thirst, not the like realism.
But he's been and like he was in like Bad
Times at the l Royale with Chris Hemsworth. Like he's
been in a few bits and pieces coming up, a
lot of indie projects. Yeah, but then now he's a
serious actor. He's honing his craft. He's not just an
emper baby like riding on Bill Pullman's looks. He's got
his own skills. There is a charm to him. Okay,
(11:34):
he wears like cowboy boots to red carpets, like he's
real Southern. At times he's a sweetie. And then now
he's in like the Marvel universe, he's in Thunderbolts.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I do think I think Casanya was waiting for some
big reveal was so hot. No reveal is he wears
cowboy boots and he's just cute. He is just cute.
There's like you have to watch him do interviews.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Is he funny?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He's very funny. Okay, yeah, he's so funny. I haven't
done if I've seen this he is.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think where this all came out, like where his
personality started coming out, was the fact that all those
top gun boys did like press together all the time,
so they were all doing like their junk some like
their little zoom calls, and like he'd be there with
like Glenn Powell, who's obviously you know, beautiful man another
team but a real show, and yet Lewis would often
be like the.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Most charming one.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah, and then in a lot of clips with like
Florence Pew and Sebastian stand for Thunderbolts. Like there's a
lot of cute Florence and Lewis moments that are making
everyone really excited, and I.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Think it's the emotional arc. Yeah, Thunderbolts as well.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
It's important to know amazing character and like he's going
to come back, so like I think this is his shining,
this is his new moment. He's in the spotlight. And
that is often when Kaya Gerber sweeps in and gets you.
Oh wow, she's a delightful, talented lady, and she knows
how to pick a hot boy of the month. Oh yeah,
she is really good at picking a hot boy in
the act and we love that for her. She gets
them like on the ground on the right, just as
(12:55):
they're about to blow up. So I feel like she'd
be really good at like real estate investments as well,
because she's really good investing in her love life. But
I almost feel like saying that it's a bit intense
for her because people think that she.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Had her Iron Austin Butler from the moment she was
a kid. Do you remember that photo that's This photo
haunts me. I'm talking about me where she's at the
high school musical. I want to say two. Maybe it's
three premiere and she's meeting Vanessa Hudgens with her mum,
and she's a tiny little child. And Vanessa Hudgens, even
though only a couple of years older than her, well
maybe like a good like six or seven or something
like that, but enough enough that at that stage one
(13:27):
looks like a tiny, tiny child, one looks like a
full grown woman. And they're meeting and everyone's like they
don't know at the moment, but Vanessa Hudgens, like long
term partner is going to leave her and go directly
in the future to this tiny little girl that she's
greeting at the premiere.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Okay, Sokya. Gober is ten years younger than me.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Do you want a moment to I think I need
a moment.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
To process that I'm in my mid thirties now, I know.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Because in my head CANi Gober and I are the
same age, but realistically her teen.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Mother, I'm still fill twenty five, but I'm definitely not.
She's twenty three and Lewis is thirty two.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, so how do I feel about that age? I
don't feel fantastic about it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It's actually it doesn't bother me, but it doesn't bother
me too much because she's getting a bit older. Her
and Austin bothered me. I know she's still so young.
They're like Austin but older than Lewis. Yeah, and she
was like nine. What about Pete Davidson, Like she was
like eighteen when she Davidson age Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It's deflecting. I was pulling in all these other men,
pulling all the others.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think that, particularly someone like Kyas she's been in
the industry for a very long time, she is going
to be older.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It doesn't that doesn't shock me. I think that's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I'm okay with her.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's under ten years. Under ten years.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
She's twenty three and he's thirty one. He's thirty two,
thirty two, thirty two.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
All right, when I was twenty three, if you gave
me a hot celebrity man, who.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Was her, I don't go on to a hot celebrity man.
It's literally, as I said, well what I celebrate her for.
I just feel like I wasn't aware of the age
gap because in my mind, Lewis Pullman was like mid twenties.
Because I feel like he's just appeared recently. I just
think we wouldn't be giving them a pass if you
were in love with him, or if they weren't.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Like she's only nine years it's under ten. I would
say anything under a decade.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Okay with I'm tentative. I think you'd go to be
over twenty five, so your frontal front alone. Yeah, yeah,
so I get that, But I don't begrudge them the
smoothie sharing and the handholding. I love that these two
have literally just walked outside, heldhounds for a moment and
shared one beverage and its spawned. It did because they've
been a couple now since like January, and it just
(15:25):
feels like suddenly the Internet like blew up this morning
with people caring.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I think also because she looks so good, like she's
just spring a pair of denim shorts and a crop top.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
They look good. But I think hot young rich people
is like we're invested in them. But I think it's
also just the fact that their careers are both blown up. Yeah,
because for a while there, when Kya Gerbert was dating
famous man, like she was a little bit just Cindy
Crawford's daughter, or she was just a model and that's
a bit like yawn predictable, like there's something interesting about her.
It was when she started doing all these movie rolls
(15:54):
or TV rolls, and the fact that she's actually quite
charming and very funny on a red carpet and very
like witty in things and in that way of like
almost like when we talk about like when Ema Koski
leans into being like, yeah, I'm so hot and it's hilarious.
I love when Kya Gerbert does that too, because it's
like literally, yeah, and bottoms was fantastic. Yeah's she's green
in that. Yeah, and her and overcompensating. She is kind
(16:14):
of playing the same character. But it's fine and I'm
okay with it. She's playing a hot girl. Yeah. But
and also that then lewis having this huge rise of
like all these indie projects and top Gun a Maverick
and now joining Marvel in such a big role. Bob huge.
No one knew who was Bob.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Bob that's his name in most things, Bob. He's been
Bob in like three He's been bobbed many times and
he sits it. But I agree, I think like they've
been dating, well, no one really cared. It's only because
he's now hot and interesting, and I've been really like
personally pushing this agenda like yeah first edits every day
if I could yeah again.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I think that Muma Miry and the Spill Instagram has
a lot to do with the rise of Lewis Pullman. Directly,
I would.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Argue that it does, and I do want to thank
you because I'm more charmed by him since your explanations,
particularly because it started in nineteen fifty three a throwback.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But honestly, guys, Bill Pullman, Lewis Pullman, what hot is? What?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
My god? You can have so much fun when you
care about who's home. Wait till they have a child
together and you can lust over the grandson. I think
we passed in appropriately so long ago. I am a
younger than both of them. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well, Tina, thank you so much for joining us. We're
gonna let you go, so you're gonna have to kind
of awkwardly squeeze out of here, but I'll.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
See you back at our shoes. I'll see you there.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Everybody go Follow Lewis on Instagram, Following Half on Instagram,
Follow The Spill.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Okay, so we all love an unfiltered interview and Charlie
Sarron has people clutching their pearls in her latest chat
with Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy. Now, Charlie's has
been doing a lot of promotion for her new Netflix
movie Old Guard Too, and look, Alex Cooper is known
for doing these kind of raunchy interviews and that's kind
(17:58):
of why people love her. So it's interesting to me
how there's been quite a bit of like talk around this,
considering it's only because Charlie's thereon is a forty nine
year old woman that people are kind of up in
arms about this. But I do want to kind of
go into the interview because it's really really interesting. Charlie's
has had a pretty incredible life, pretty traumatic one to
(18:20):
start within her younger years. Do you want to take
us through her early life and kind of what we
find out about her?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah? So I think what is so kind of refreshing
about this interview is I feel like the words unfiltered raw,
This is a real conversation. Those words are thrown around
so much in media at the moment, particularly in podcasts,
which I understand because that's the content we all want.
But the more those words get thrown around, and the
more podcasts, especially with celebrities, become these things that like,
(18:48):
rarely do people listen to the full, especially this once
an hour and a half. You just know that people
aren't listening to that, even though I know Call Her
Daddy has huge downlow numbers, but a lot of people
will just be seeing the little clips and the headlines
and stuff. And so what was interested at this interview
is it does feel raw and unfiltered to a certain extent,
but not so much for the sex stuff, which we'll
get into. Like, I mean, I'm sure you're the same.
(19:10):
I've had white more intense conversations with my girlfriends over
like Saffy this than this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
This is why I don't understand the backlash. I don't
think it's backlash. It's just a few grumpy people with them.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
But people like this. People are angry about it. But
there's people who are like, oh, it's so shocking, I
can't believe she said that, And I was like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Just not I have way dirty or conversations with my
hands one.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Hundred Well again, this is again. I don't think neither
of them were even trying to be dirty or shocking.
It's like when you have a normal adult conversation about
life and relationships, sex will come into it. And I
think she just said some stuff out of this kind
of cookie cut of thing of what Hollywood people are
supposed to say. And this is why we're getting this
big run of very bland interviews at the moment. Like
just seeing at the fact that Anne Hathaway is on
(19:52):
the cover of Vogue at the moment and no shade
anne Hathaway. I really love her, and I don't think
that every time a slub wants to promote a movie
they have to like open up a vein and let
all of their traum wall fall out. But I read
that cover thinking we would do it on the spill,
and like, the pictures are beautiful and the story is interesting,
but there's no big reveals, there's no personal information, there's
no real thought because I think they're so worried about
(20:14):
things getting picked up through clickbait. But the thing about
Charlie Samarone is that every time she almost does an interview,
her life is so different to so many people in Hollywood.
And this and the story of fame of NEPO babies
that we talk about so much that I think even
if she's not meaning to be shocking or irreverent, it
comes across that way. So she was born and initially
raised in South Africa, and took a bit about this
(20:35):
in this interview and also like the New York Times
every interview she's done. And she was primarily raised by
her mother, Girder, who she's still really really closely if
they like live together in Hollywood now and they're raising
her kids together.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Her first language also is Afrikaans, it's not English.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yes, And she was always really beautiful growing up. She
talks about not really knowing what fame was and seeing
magazines around but thinking that people in the magazines were
just kind of like regular people because she was so
far removed from that Hollywood life. And then she ended
up in her teen years so beautiful that she was
able to like move overseas and model and then move
to America and kind of move into acting. But the
(21:10):
store there is like she was raised on this farm
in South Africa mostly by her mother, Gerda, and her
father was very aggressive, abusive, substance alcoholic, very abusive to
her and her mother. And what happened was on one
particular night, he was so enraged and attacking them. That
he was in their home in South Africa, and Charlie's
(21:31):
and her mum ran into a bedroom and shut the door,
and he took a gun and fired three bullets through
the door, and Shellie's throne always says like it's a
miracle that those bullets missed us. And so in self defense,
which is again why she wasn't taken to court or
anything like that, her mother, Gerda, picked up a gun
and shot him, and she has said in interviews her
mother that it was either shoot him or my daughter
(21:53):
was going to die. So Shelleie's like saw that happen,
and that's like kind of this anchor of her and
her mother and their story and this like life they've
built together, which is very much peppered by her fame,
but also more of like the life. What I thought
was more interesting than her fame is the life that
they've built, and that's I think she's so unfiltered and
she doesn't give a fuck, because why would she after
(22:14):
everything she's been through.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I thought it was really interesting at the start
of the interview she talks a little bit about how
in that environment that she was in therapy wasn't a
thing like culturally, that was not something that she was
ever exposed to. And she said that the next.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Day she actually go to school. Yeah, exactly, she went
to school.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The next day after her mother shot her father.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I mean that is quite a way to be
brought up. And I think because we're so used to
seeing and again, I know we're saying this unfilded thing,
but this very polished and particular cause Charlie's is part
of that old guard of A listers rather than you know,
these younger A listers who are used to being a
little bit more open and honest. Even though Charlie's is
(22:57):
known for being honest in her interviews, this just felt
so much more raw. So one of the big headlines
that kind of everybody has picked up is that she
had sex with this twenty six year old.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I've probably had three one night stands in my entire life, okay,
but I did just recently fuck a twenty six year
old and it was really fucking amazing. Fuck yes, yes,
and I've never done that, and I was like, oh,
this is great.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Okay, let me just say that twenty six year old
is the luckiest fucking man walking on this goddamn planet.
He's walking different today. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
This particular line was picked up by Megan Kelly. Former
Fox News host. Meghan Kelly basically said about this. She
said that it was really vulgar and off putting, and
she actually thinks that Charlie's thereon is overcompensating and that
this never happened.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
She's actually a lesbian. Oh wow, what a broad stroke
to take.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I know, it was like this really intense thing, and
I was like, just because a woman is enjoying sex
and talking to another woman about enjoying sex, she's a
single woman who is absolutely stunning.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No one bats an.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Eyelid for a man who's almost fifty having sex with
a twenty six year old and also just a one
night stand. It's not like she's dating the guy. She's
having a bit of fun with him. Leave the poor
woman alone. And the fact that Megan Kelly is like, oh,
I have a theory that she's actually a lesbian because
she's overcompensating.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Megan Kelly's got to get her views up. I know
she was like a proper journalist at one stage, but
she's now just an outrage clickchaser. Yeah, that's literally and
I don't say that about everyone whose opinions I disagree with,
but that is what she has deteriorated too, So that's
why she's doing those kind of headlines.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, and it's just really interesting to make you know
that movie Bombshells from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, Margo Robbie's in it too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So Charlie Sarner actually plays Megan Kelly in that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Movie, and she's great in it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
She's so good in it. But it's so interesting that
she can have this comment about someone that played her.
It's kind of a weird inception moment.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And I guess some people would think, like, is Megan
Kelly coming for her because she played in that movie.
But I think if you consume Megan Kelly's work, which
I try not to but it does find me on
the internet, she is an equal opportunity hater. She would
be saying this about Charlie's regardless, because she hates anyone
who steps out of a very kind of cookie cutter,
prim very old school way of living.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I just don't really get, like, why are we shocked
that a woman is enjoying sex? And one of the
other things that Charlie's talks about is like advice, sex advice,
and you know, she's like, oh, well, I'm the last
person to give you sex advice. But Charlie's is like,
you need to look out for yourself, Like stop trying
(25:41):
to please men in the bedroom. If you would have
an orgasm, you need a vibrator, like go grab it,
and like you look after yourself. And I found that
just really refreshing, And I think that that's what an
older woman. That's the kind of advice that an older
woman should be given to a younger generation.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Like also on like that of like who we're listening
to for advice and who kind of gets to speak
on this stuff like it shouldn't be this way, but
like a very attractive woman who's very famous and adored
worldwide saying that, Like I hate to say it, but
people give more credence to that because a lot of
the time that other people are talking about like you know,
having sex with whoever they want, or not being in
(26:20):
a relationship or choosing to be single or not having
found the love of their life, if they're not conventionally attractive,
then the conversation is like, oh, they couldn't get anyone,
or who would want them? Or they're just angry and bitter.
But I think like, in a way, it's more interesting
with Charlie's saying it, because I mean she's more than
her looks. But like she did get into the industry.
She was like training to be a ballerina at the
Joffrey Ballet School, which is very prestigious, and she suffered
(26:41):
an injury and so then she moved more full time
into modeling, and she did get her first lot of
Hollywood roles for being beautiful and looking stunning on a
red carpet, looking stunnying in the background of a movie,
and she.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Kind of started the whole trope of you have to
get ugly to get an oscar.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, I mean yeah, she very much like lent In too.
I remember the first time I saw Charlie is the
Road a picture of her. I have such a visceral
memory on it because it was when she was the
Oscars for The Cider House Rules, one of her first
big movies, and she's wearing that tangerine backless scout backless
all the way down and I was on your Child
at the time. But those photos went all over the
world of like, look at this movie star, and so
(27:20):
address cemented her as a movie star in saying that
though pretty only gets you like it gets you into
the industry, but there's a lot of pretty people that
go into that industry and then don't have the success
that she's had. Like I said, she's been in so
many huge franchises like Fast and Furious, but other you know,
other big franchises. But more than that, she's also done
like a lot of comedic roles. She won her oscar
from Monster in two thousand and four. Yes, and she's
(27:42):
incredible in that, And yes, she had to get ugly,
the very traditional.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's kind of also in that same vein of what
Margo Robbie did for Eytonia. She kind of like stripped
things back and that's when people take them quote unquote seriously.
And I know that sounds really silly.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
But she's well, it does. It does, I guess make
people think of this idea of like, oh, look, she
made herself into this other person and so you're more
likely to get an oscar for that. But she's great
in that movie.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
She's great, and that meets a great movie. One of
the other things that I love. One of the other
lines she talks about, like fetishes in the bedroom. Yeah,
she says, I'm not thrown by weird shit. I'm into
weird shit, except maybe the nosing and the no thing
she's referring to as a guy asked her to make
out with his nose.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
That's just to me not very sexy. I understand a
lot of the things that people in to. I totally
get the feet being, I totally get other stuff. The
nose making out is a new one.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, she was was quite funny saying her talk about that.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, but it was just nice. It was it's like
almost really cute and placid, like what you do with
like a teenager if you were like too scared to
like anything else.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's kind of like soaking in.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I don't know, No, don't care, but you know, it
was really refreshing to me to hear her talk about
sex relationships and just being really open about it, and
particularly as a woman who is a single mother. She's
got two kids who are adopted, who she's raised on
her own, and it's just refreshing to hear her talk
(29:07):
about a life where she is happy being single. She's
happy to just have sex with men and them not
be in her home. Yeah, and being a mother to
her children.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You don't quite realize until you have kids. And I'm
not saying that it replaces one love with the other,
but it is such a tremendous love that I do
not miss love. You know, I might miss sex.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Fair, that's fair. My vibrator is only doing some much. Yeah, no,
live the vibrator is good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
And I'm having I listen, I'm having, I'm having. I'm
having the kind of sex I never had in my
twenties or in my thirties. Yes, and so that part
has been really exciting. But I'm not missing relation, like
a relationship. I'm not missing the partnership that I think
people think you miss when you're me.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's what I really loved is that there's a few
different kind of like elements to this story. One is
that I do find it really like helpful and refreshing
when celebrity women in particular live outside the norm in
some ways, whether that be like never getting married, never
having children, adopting children as a single mother, because I
(30:15):
just think like celebrity culture is still so heightened that
whether you agree with this or not, it does sometimes
make it feel better for normal women to see these
women who are held up as like the pinnacles of
society doing the same thing as you and not just
living one particular life. On the other side of that,
it can be upsetting watching it because a lot of
(30:36):
these celebrity women who talk about being single mothers, which
I'm totally on board with a single mother thing completely,
but I also think a lot of that comes from
having a huge amount of money to being able to
not just support your children, but if you go down
the surrogacy route, even adoption can be very expensive and
difficult in the fees then and knowing that you have
the money to raise multiple children, so it's almost as
(30:58):
given take. It's like beautiful to see but also unattainable. Yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Don't love the phrase, oh, she's this struggling single mom,
because she's not. And I don't think she ever says that. No, No,
I don't think she's like, oh, I'm a struggling single mom.
She's not trying to relate to people who are not
getting any support from fathers of their children and are
working three jobs and trying to put food on the table.
(31:23):
She's not relating to that. I think she's more talking
about raising children on her own as opposed to in
a partnership.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yes, and for her daughters, being the sole caregiver, love giver,
decision maker, disciplinarian, everything in one kind of. And I
know that her mother is really close to her and
they have she's talked about almost like raising the children together.
But at the end of the day, she's the single mom,
like she's the one on the front line. And I
do love when she speaks that way, particularly in this
interview I thought was really emotional where she talks about
(31:54):
being enough for her children and like knowing she's enough,
and she's like maybe one day they'll tell a different story,
and they can. But she also just has this home
filled with love, And I just don't think that you
hear single mother stories like that that much. Yeah, And
I really not relate to it because I don't have kids,
But I was raised by a single mother who raised
four children, and so many people when they're being faced
(32:16):
with being a single mother will ask me about that
because I guess they see like my siblings and I
been like really happy, really close, really like well adjusted people.
Some of us are successful, some of us are on
a podcast, so less so. But this thing and they
always say, like, was it okay? What was it like?
And I'm always like, it's obviously is a lot harder,
especially if you have this celebrity money, But I think
you can still feel like completely loved and whole and
(32:40):
like your family doesn't feel like it's missing an element.
And that's why I love when I hear Shellie's talking
about that, and also talking about the fact like not
having a father and husband in the house. There's a
line in that podcast where she says, the joy of
living completely the way you want to live, and shaping
your life the way you want to live, and being
a parent exactly the way you want I don't think
(33:01):
that's a that's a light thing to throw away. Like
what she sounds like almost like wish fulfillment. I feel
like for a lot of people. And I really relate
to when she says growing up in like mostly with
a single mother, but like with an abusive father, because
I grew up exactly the same way, and having like
her mum take her out of that situation, and then
(33:21):
being an adult and shaping your own life. It's almost
like being alone in a happy home. It is the
fairy tale because you grew up in a different way,
and she chose that. Yeah, and that idea that I'm
choosing this life when thinking that there wasn't a choice.
So I think that that, like, and everyone's getting all
right up over the sex stuff, and like that is interesting.
Love that for her, hate that she made up with
a nose, Love everything else she's doing. But I also
(33:44):
think that the truly inspiring, groundbreaking bit is a choosing
to be alone and choosing to be single with children. Yeah,
that's the bit, Laura.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I think that. I mean, that's really beautiful. Thank you
for sharing that. I think that that really is a
big takeaway from this. And the other thing that I
really love is just like maybe my kids will tell
a different story. And that's I mean, I think about
this constantly. I think about constantly how I'm going to
fuck up my kids.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Speaking from the outside, but I think a lot of
parents and worry. I worry. I say, the fact that
you're even thinking about that makes you ten steps ahead
of so many other parents, So you're okay because what
everyone thinks about that.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But it was such again for me, I was like,
that's a relief. Maybe they will. I will do my best.
I will, you know, love them the best way that
I know how, and if that's the story that they
want to tell, that they are going to have their
own lives. Yeah, And that I thought was really like poignant.
But yeah, that's a really nice insight into the single
mother thing because I did for me that like definitely
(34:40):
resonated because she was like, I chose this, and I'm
a single mom, but not in the same way that
my mum was a single mom.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, because she had the control over it. And I
love how she also talks about the fact that she
would never want a man to come in and move
into this beautiful, happy, loving ecosystem that she and her
two daughters have. But it's also not this whole thing
of like and again, if you are like man hating
or whatever, also totally fine and justified, especially in this
recent environment. But she does talk about the fact that
life stage has changed and like maybe in ten years
(35:10):
or so, over twenty years, when her daughters have moved
out and she's like in her sixties and seventies, that
she might change her mind and want to share space
with a partner. But it feels like something that might
come along, not the end game. Yeah, And I'm also
going to say. The other thing is like people are
shocked by Shelly's thron they don't pity her in the
same way that they would still pity someone like jenniferannerstant
And I do feel like that's also feels a little
(35:32):
uneven because because she's got children, it's almost like people like, oh, few,
like she's got one thing, you know, she's got that
one thing, so like we'll pity her on this and
not on that. So it's not a perfect scenario. But
I did really find this is this interview and every
other interview because she's done about this, because she does
a lot of interviews about this. She speaks about it
all the time, but it's like it's not as salacious
as some other things, so doesn't get picked up as
(35:52):
much as other celebrity interviews.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
But now I think it's important to like bring it up. Yes,
the sex stuff is fun, and like great, it's also
to be fun.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I would listen to her talk about sex all day
and night. But yes, I feel like she does in
her free time.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I one hundred percent agree with you. That is something
that it actually really struck me. That was to me
a lot more interesting than the sex stuff. But you know, yeah, no,
I love the sex stuff too.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's all great. And we'll link the four call her
Daddy into you in the show notes and I would
just say, yeah, consume more of Charlie's throw and I
looked forward to her daughters growing up and becoming the
NEPO babies that we want them to be. Enjoining there
to bring it back full circle to the top of
this episode and just then we can talk about their
love list.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
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Speaker 3 (36:58):
Bye Bye, Lan
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