October 9, 2025 • 17 mins
First up on the show today, Em needs to issue an apology for a TV show recommendation she made last week, and her confession might make you want to watch it even more.
Plus, an infamous true crime story, which has been the inspiration behind some of Hollywood’s most terrifying and successful movies, has been turned into a chilling true crime series that the world can’t look away from.
And Victoria Beckham’s new documentary has just dropped on Netflix, and now we need to give you a very honest review about what it’s really about.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the
Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodneck and
I'm am Vernon, and welcome to Weekend Watch, where we
(00:32):
talked you through the best new TV shows and movies
that have come out this week, so you know what
to watch for the weekend. You have to get lost
in a scroll.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh my god, I didn't play by the rules this week.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I feel like you just have to even stop saying
that because you say it so many times an episode.
To be fair, When you told me what you wanted
to recommend this week, I went quiet for a minute,
and I think like I had a vacant look in
my eye. And it's because I was reading the rules
for Weekend Watch, of the rules for the episode, and
they exist in my head because I made them ump
so in my head, I was reading through them and
I decided to give you a pass because this came
(01:04):
out last Friday, so within a week. Okay, So that's
okay if it had come out on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No interesting, interesting I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It came out on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, we'll stick to that story.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, but before I get into my weekend watch, I
want to make a public apology.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
My weekend watch last week was a Disney show called
Chad Powers, starring our friend Glenn Powell and I. It
was like, not an anti recommendation, but it was a
recommendation where I didn't think I did the show justice.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, you basically said that you liked the idea of it,
and you started watching it, and you liked it, but
it got worse as you went along. So you ended
your section of Weekend Watch by saying I don't know
if you guys should watch this, yeah, and that it
basically wasn't that great.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And now I've kept watching, and.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh you went back again.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay, what changed? Because you'd watched a few episodes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I watched the first episod okay, and they pull you in,
And the third episode came out, I was like, I
might as well watch this now.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, you're like, I'm in now and it was a
great episode. Is it just that the storylines picked.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Up or yeah, I feel like the characters have started
to find themselves more in the third.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Episode, and this is Glenn Power pretending to be yes Glen.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Powell playing this kind of ostracized jock named Russ Holiday
who was a bit of a dick, and so everyone
hated him and he kind of left football and left
Hollywood and all of that. And then he made this
alter ego named Chad Power so we could get back
into the NFL. And in the third episode he played
his first game.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Oh that's where it switched.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, And I think I think when they leant more
into the sports element, because it is meant to be
a sports comedy, it's gotten much much better.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, And you felt you just had to address the
people because you couldn't want it. It's like when I
recommended How I Met your Father because I'd watched the
first episode and I had to come back two weeks
later and be like, guys, no, don't watch it's terrible.
I watched the rest of it. Yeah, so sometimes we
change our minds. But you've now given this show two
hits of publicity. So I hope Glenn p.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Is very this is not the show.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
The show does not deserve to be. On two episodes,
there you are all right, what are you recommending? That
came out last Friday?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, So the third season of the horror drama series
Monster came out on Friday. It's the ed Geen story.
Ed Gean was a grave robber, a murderer, an alleged
serial killer. It was like not legally proven that he
(03:32):
was a serial killer, so would still alleged serial killer.
He was known as the Butcher of Plainfield, which I
feel like is a very very scary title to have.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, you don't want to hang out with that person.
There's something real dark about you. Eddie Keith, Eddie, You're
a mess. Only a mother could love you. Just feeler
became a puzzle. None of the pieces filled.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So the Monster series was created and directed by Ryan Murphy.
The first one was about Jeffrey Daarma, second one was
about them, and then there's brothers. A lot of criticism
for the series of like the over dramatization and also
the over sexualization of a lot of these like horrific
horrific stories.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Do you think about Ryan Murphy is like he loves
to tell a really twisted, horrific, bloody tale, Like he's
done that with American horror story for years, even American
crime story like to an extent, even though they are
more about like telling history in a different way. But
he also loves really hot people, and who could blame him?
We all do, we all do it. He is one
of the really hot people. Yeah, he's one of the girls.
He loves really hot people doing bloodthirsty things, and he
(04:48):
really leans into that with Monster. The difference is American
horror story is mostly fictionalized people, so it's okay to
watch someone kill someone and then have sexy times. Yeah,
the Smears is a bit feels a bit different.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's a bit different. But also this third installation, Ryan
Murphy is not involved in. It's Ian Brennan, who I
think is used to be one of his co writers
Rhyme Murph.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He's busy making Kim Kadashi in so drama.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Okay, and this you can actually tell that Ryan Murphy
is not as involved in this one because it's actually
quite different. There's a lot of like meta commentary that's
happening about the ed Dean's story in general. First, I
should probably say Charlie Haunnen plays ed Gean. He's from
like Sons of Anarchy. He is so good looking.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, he's so good. He does not look good in this,
well good do he shouldn't And also like he hasn't
not worked since Sons of Anarchy. But remember how we
did that King Arthur movie and that was he was
Everyone thought he was going to be the next big
blockbuster superstar and he dropped out of Fifty Shades of
Gray because he was meant to play like the lead
in that, And so I think he's been kind of
finding his footing. I don't love let's say he went
(05:51):
method for this role. He definitely didn't. So he did
not right now. He did not go police. He went
and sat near Ed's grave for hours and hours and
hours to like and like spend the day with him
in order to get in his head.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I don't love that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Don't love that for him.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I don't know if he just thought it'd be a
good story to tell doing incase you have to.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Do something, you have to like have a stick. But
he is excellent in this. But yeah, like I said,
there's a lot of meta commentary because Ed Gean he
is like so so infamous. His story, like all the
horrific things he did to people has been in inspiration
for so many like blockbuster hits like Psycho, like he's
the one who had that crazy relationship with his mother. Yes,
(06:33):
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And also one of my favorite movies, Chainsaw Massacre, also
a great movie iteration the skins.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Of like the corpses, wear them and put them on
his leg.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's what leather Face does in Chainswamer's Silence of the
Lambs because he was Yeah, it's great bit of light cannibalism,
little light cannibalism.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But so there's like a commentary on like how he's
influenced Hollywood and stuff alongside the story. I do want
to say, if you're a fan of horror, you will
love this. I had to switch off.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, no, not a fan of horror, because I'm a
huge fan of horror, but I don't watch these shows.
But I haven't watched this. Everything i'm learning about it,
i'm learning through. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So the biggest difference I've noticed between seasons one and
two of Months, this one is way way, way more violent.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Again, I'm not judging people for doing this because heaps
of stuff that I watched I'm sure people wouldn't like.
But I just can never really get into a story
if I know it's really based on real people, Like
who does Allison Ray play one of the victims? Yeah,
and like that's a real person. I mean, our favorite
pop girl. I want to support her. I'll just play
Dive Pepsy like twenty more times to support her. But yeah,
I don't ever love like thinking about like that person.
(07:35):
I don't know personally, I would just hate it if
I was brutally murdered and then someone made a TV
show about me.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And also just well, the thing about this season is
like I feel like it doesn't really humanize him at all.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I felt like Dama, like they really humanized.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
For Evan Peters, Yeah during that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And like you can't they made him sexy, Like you
can't make him sexy, I know, but I guess like
that's been and when then there's Brothers, and when that
came out at the same time as the documentary about them,
and then the Brothers came out, and there was like
such a dark difference between the story that the documentary
was telling versus a story that Ryan Murphy was telling.
I think they're like, yeah, you can't push it too
(08:10):
much when it's like a real story.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, And haven't they fictionalized a lot of this story
so much.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
As dramatized like so so much, which is you should.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's meant to be a TV show at the end
of the danger, and I think it's all sometimes even
more respectful to the people involved to fictionalize it. But
then also if you say it's based on a real story,
then people are gonna believe it's a real story, and
they gues it's not believing all of.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
These I believed it, you believe then I had to
go on the Wikipedia page and be like, oh, that
was wrong. That was wrong. That was wrong, that was fake,
that was made up.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Okay, how much did you watch before you Chicken Down?
You like twenty seconds? No?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
No, no, no no. There's like this one scene and
I don't want to spoil it because it's actually he
acts it so well. There's this one scene where he
kind of cause plays.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He wears the skin.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
We know he does that, No, but it's like he
has he puts on this voice. Oh that scent shivers
down my spine, like he is an amazing actor, but
this voice, Like I couldn't stop thinking about it, and
then I was going to sleep that night. I couldn't
stop hearing that voice, and that's.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Not how you want to be thinking of Charlie before
you go to see He's so hot? Is crazy of that.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But yeah, if you're like that, like how I am,
this will be very, very scary for you. But it
is very interesting storytelling also, just like the intricacies and
the difference of like the creativity that Ian has compared
to Ryan is also so interesting to see. But yeah,
that's monsters. The ed Ganes story.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
On Netflix, m if you're brave enough to watch it.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
If you're brave enough, let me know what's yours.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, speaking of something else, that's a very enthralling watch
on You have to be brave to watch. You have
to be brave to watch. The Victoria Beckham documentary came
out last night. I have never forgotten where I come from.
Performing was my dream.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The Spice Girls made me accept.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Who I am, and then all of a sudden it stopped.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'm so excited. I don't want you to say too
much because I really want to watch it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
No, no, no, I'm not going to spoil it's so funny because
I don't want to give spoilers. But it's also just
a history.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Especially now that I'm like an expert in the spicycles.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh my god. As I was watching it, I was
literally squealing of how much you would enjoy it because
now that you're you know what, I've.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Gone down in like deep deep rat holes the Spice
Girls like.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And also we've gotten so I've been watching.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Like clips of the concerts YouTube.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh, then you're gonna love the interviews.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And you're right. Melby was like the personality and all
the Internet.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
She's the personality higher with and it's very clear that
that she was really good at that. And like when
Jerry left, I love your living this for the first
time twenty years later.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I like, I genuinely think like the world should have ended.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, well for some of us who did. So if
anyone's on across this story, we obviously knew the Victoria
Beckham documentary was coming out. It's a three part documentary
that is very different to the one that we had
with them a few years ago, where it was Victorian David.
It was also very much about his life, yeah, and
his career, where this is about her. It's about her childhood,
it's about her finding fame with the Spice Girls.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's a big ad for her fashion to an extent.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's chronicling this moment in time that's the lead up
to her putting on a show at Paris Fashion Week,
and in that time it shows flashbacks of like her
childhood and her life her and like David's in it
quite a bit talking about her, like her best friend
Evil Longoria's in it, Anna Winters in it. Her parents
get interviewed. So there's all of that. But okay, I
don't want to give too many spoilers, but just kind
(11:34):
of just giving a bit of background in case E've
got any new listeners here. We knew this documentary is
coming out, and we got very excited and we were
talking about the fact that a Victoria Beckham documentary was
coming and then you let's slip that you didn't really
know anything about the Spy s Girls, which I had.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
To bring that up. I'm letting people. I got so
heavily trolled for that.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, we've never had so much by men.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I had men in my dms for the first time ever, going,
why do you pretend to be like this dumb little
baby doesn't know any Yeah, they're crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Get crazy, men are crazy. Okay, I didn't know that
was happening to you, sorry either than just women being like,
learn about the spy Skirls, no history, don't you support feminism? So,
which ended with us doing an episode all about the
spy Skirls are briadly honest with you the Spies Girls,
which will link in the show notes because it was
one of the funniest episodes I've had done.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That is like mine now, like I think it's a
bug gladiator for me, which is also a great really
reveals well.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It just starts naming episodes now, But in that I
took Emily through some of the history of the Spy
Skulls and how they came together, and a bit of
that is in this new Victoria Beckham documentary because you
see a bit of her childhood and how It's kind
of interesting though because she does that thing that like
other celebrities like Megan Mark will do where they give
these interviews about being really ostracized in high school and
how there was such an ugly duckling and no one
(12:48):
loved them and all this sort of stuff, and then
which I'm sure is true, like you can be bullied
in high school and primary school and either way and
you can feel like an outsider of regardless of what
you look like. But it's just always interesting in these
documentaries where they say that to the camera and then
it cuts to them and it's this video of Victoria
performing for her class and this outfit. She's just so beautiful,
she's just so talented, and everyone's clapping and appording for her,
(13:09):
and it cuts back to her and she's like, yeah,
I was such an art cast and no one liked me.
I was like, you probably should have picked a different
clip then, But apart from that, it's super interesting. So
it chronicles her life, and it talks a bit about
the Spice Girl's Law, and they even show a clip
from Spice World, the movie, and they show one of
my very very favorite How did they get that footage?
(13:30):
That's what I want to know, because if you listen
to a Brially honest review, we were talking about Spice
Sold the movie. We can't find it anywhere. It's been
scrubbed from the intern it's been scrubbed from online. And
I've had so many spillers in my DM saying, Hey, Laura,
I've got the vhs. So I'm getting those messages. You
know what I'm not getting is messages saying I have
the VHS, I'm gonna fly to Sydney bring it to you,
and I'm going to bring a VHS player. Yeah I'm
(13:53):
not getting I'm getting a lot of messages. I'm not
getting a lot of action because I'm rubbing it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
See so many people have it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But they show a clip from Spiceoil the movie, So
I was dying. They show Victoria's audition tape for the
Spice Girls, which I hadn't seen before, and why she
picked a completely different song to them, and so I
was dying over that. And she's really honest too, because
she's doing a lot of the interviews and she's talking
to camera and she talks about having an eating disorder,
which she hadn't really talked about in that way before.
She talked about kind of finding out she was pregnant
(14:21):
on the Spy Skulls tour and what was happening behind
the scenes, and she's really honest. At one stage, they're
showing all these photos of when she was, like in
her real wag era after the Spy Skulls had ended,
she hadn't started her business, and she talks about like
going to David's games, like moving to Spain moving to
America to kind of support him, and she was like
talking about how she picked her outfits and at the
time she's so like, not the Victoria Beckham we know
(14:43):
now that you know she's so chic now, and back
then she had like really long, thick blonde hair extensions,
huge fake boobs with like big sunglasses, like tiny short shorts,
little corset tops with like her fake boobs coming out
like so tanned, like almost like barbies. Yeah, which was
a whole look at the time, like she looked amazing.
But in the documentary she's like, yeah, I guess I
was like looking for attention, like I wanted to be
(15:04):
part of a conversation. And then she talks about building
the fashion brand and how no one believed in her
and like things that happened behind this.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Because she was like made fun of when she built
her fast.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, And when they bring Anna Wintour in to talk
about it, she was like, yeah, I thought she was
just a pop star with a hobby, Like I didn't
believe she's like so many she's like so many of
the me too. That sounds so fun, sounds so fun
with a hobby, it's a pop star and her hobby
is going to Italy. Yeah, oh no, but she's also
got a website and a podcast. Have you got on her?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But is that a hobby because I feel like she's
making bank on that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah she is. But she's like, it's called service ninety
five because she was so it's so cool in nineteen
ninety five, and she wants to be of service to
the world. And I was like, I don't know if
you need to be doing a website when you're one
of the bigest pop stars in the world. But she's
so and a podcast again famous he was doing podcasts.
I can't get behind it. But in the documentary, Yeah,
Anna Wintour comes on and she's got her glasses and
she's looking so chic, and she's talking about like, yeah
(15:55):
she was. She's like I knew her as a spice girl,
but she's like so many famous women in that world
try and come into our world and they can't do it,
and it's a hobby. And then Victoria talks about the
fact that she kept inviting Anna Wintur to come to
her shows and she would never come. Then she finally does,
and then so you're seeing all these flashbacks and you're
getting all this story about Victoria. At the same time,
the time is ticking for them to do this Paris
(16:16):
Fashion Week show and the designs aren't ready, and then
she's really worried about the reaction. And then they go
to like this mansion outside of Paris where they're having
the show, and it's just because it's been raining. It's flooded.
It's mud, it's dirt flooded, man, I know, and the
Paris like counsel won't land to bring gravel, and it's
the whole thing. I was very stressed for her watching it.
But it's so good. It's three episodes on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The kids are in it. Oh my sep for one. Yeah, anyway,
I wants anything else. But you'll see it's Harper. She's
feuding with Harper teenage.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Because we're definitely going to be doing a really on
a trivia and I.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Think we have to because I have just I know,
it's not like a gay way a lot, but I
literally skimmed the surface, like all that stuff's like in
the first ten minutes the first episode, and then there's
three full episodes and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
It's fascinating out right now.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's out now on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm so excited. Thank you so much for listening to
this episode of the Spill. We'll be back in your
ears at three pm today for a very special, brutally
honest review. We will see you then, Bye bye bye
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the
Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodneck and
I'm am Vernon, and welcome to Weekend Watch, where we
(00:32):
talked you through the best new TV shows and movies
that have come out this week, so you know what
to watch for the weekend. You have to get lost
in a scroll.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh my god, I didn't play by the rules this week.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I feel like you just have to even stop saying
that because you say it so many times an episode.
To be fair, When you told me what you wanted
to recommend this week, I went quiet for a minute,
and I think like I had a vacant look in
my eye. And it's because I was reading the rules
for Weekend Watch, of the rules for the episode, and
they exist in my head because I made them ump
so in my head, I was reading through them and
I decided to give you a pass because this came
(01:04):
out last Friday, so within a week. Okay, So that's
okay if it had come out on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No interesting, interesting I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It came out on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, we'll stick to that story.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, but before I get into my weekend watch, I
want to make a public apology.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
My weekend watch last week was a Disney show called
Chad Powers, starring our friend Glenn Powell and I. It
was like, not an anti recommendation, but it was a
recommendation where I didn't think I did the show justice.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, you basically said that you liked the idea of it,
and you started watching it, and you liked it, but
it got worse as you went along. So you ended
your section of Weekend Watch by saying I don't know
if you guys should watch this, yeah, and that it
basically wasn't that great.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And now I've kept watching, and.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh you went back again.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay, what changed? Because you'd watched a few episodes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I watched the first episod okay, and they pull you in,
And the third episode came out, I was like, I
might as well watch this now.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, you're like, I'm in now and it was a
great episode. Is it just that the storylines picked.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Up or yeah, I feel like the characters have started
to find themselves more in the third.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Episode, and this is Glenn Power pretending to be yes Glen.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Powell playing this kind of ostracized jock named Russ Holiday
who was a bit of a dick, and so everyone
hated him and he kind of left football and left
Hollywood and all of that. And then he made this
alter ego named Chad Power so we could get back
into the NFL. And in the third episode he played
his first game.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Oh that's where it switched.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, And I think I think when they leant more
into the sports element, because it is meant to be
a sports comedy, it's gotten much much better.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, And you felt you just had to address the
people because you couldn't want it. It's like when I
recommended How I Met your Father because I'd watched the
first episode and I had to come back two weeks
later and be like, guys, no, don't watch it's terrible.
I watched the rest of it. Yeah, so sometimes we
change our minds. But you've now given this show two
hits of publicity. So I hope Glenn p.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Is very this is not the show.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
The show does not deserve to be. On two episodes,
there you are all right, what are you recommending? That
came out last Friday?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, So the third season of the horror drama series
Monster came out on Friday. It's the ed Geen story.
Ed Gean was a grave robber, a murderer, an alleged
serial killer. It was like not legally proven that he
(03:32):
was a serial killer, so would still alleged serial killer.
He was known as the Butcher of Plainfield, which I
feel like is a very very scary title to have.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, you don't want to hang out with that person.
There's something real dark about you. Eddie Keith, Eddie, You're
a mess. Only a mother could love you. Just feeler
became a puzzle. None of the pieces filled.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So the Monster series was created and directed by Ryan Murphy.
The first one was about Jeffrey Daarma, second one was
about them, and then there's brothers. A lot of criticism
for the series of like the over dramatization and also
the over sexualization of a lot of these like horrific
horrific stories.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Do you think about Ryan Murphy is like he loves
to tell a really twisted, horrific, bloody tale, Like he's
done that with American horror story for years, even American
crime story like to an extent, even though they are
more about like telling history in a different way. But
he also loves really hot people, and who could blame him?
We all do, we all do it. He is one
of the really hot people. Yeah, he's one of the girls.
He loves really hot people doing bloodthirsty things, and he
(04:48):
really leans into that with Monster. The difference is American
horror story is mostly fictionalized people, so it's okay to
watch someone kill someone and then have sexy times. Yeah,
the Smears is a bit feels a bit different.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's a bit different. But also this third installation, Ryan
Murphy is not involved in. It's Ian Brennan, who I
think is used to be one of his co writers
Rhyme Murph.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He's busy making Kim Kadashi in so drama.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Okay, and this you can actually tell that Ryan Murphy
is not as involved in this one because it's actually
quite different. There's a lot of like meta commentary that's
happening about the ed Dean's story in general. First, I
should probably say Charlie Haunnen plays ed Gean. He's from
like Sons of Anarchy. He is so good looking.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, he's so good. He does not look good in this,
well good do he shouldn't And also like he hasn't
not worked since Sons of Anarchy. But remember how we
did that King Arthur movie and that was he was
Everyone thought he was going to be the next big
blockbuster superstar and he dropped out of Fifty Shades of
Gray because he was meant to play like the lead
in that, And so I think he's been kind of
finding his footing. I don't love let's say he went
(05:51):
method for this role. He definitely didn't. So he did
not right now. He did not go police. He went
and sat near Ed's grave for hours and hours and
hours to like and like spend the day with him
in order to get in his head.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I don't love that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Don't love that for him.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I don't know if he just thought it'd be a
good story to tell doing incase you have to.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Do something, you have to like have a stick. But
he is excellent in this. But yeah, like I said,
there's a lot of meta commentary because Ed Gean he
is like so so infamous. His story, like all the
horrific things he did to people has been in inspiration
for so many like blockbuster hits like Psycho, like he's
the one who had that crazy relationship with his mother. Yes,
(06:33):
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And also one of my favorite movies, Chainsaw Massacre, also
a great movie iteration the skins.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Of like the corpses, wear them and put them on
his leg.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's what leather Face does in Chainswamer's Silence of the
Lambs because he was Yeah, it's great bit of light cannibalism,
little light cannibalism.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But so there's like a commentary on like how he's
influenced Hollywood and stuff alongside the story. I do want
to say, if you're a fan of horror, you will
love this. I had to switch off.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, no, not a fan of horror, because I'm a
huge fan of horror, but I don't watch these shows.
But I haven't watched this. Everything i'm learning about it,
i'm learning through. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So the biggest difference I've noticed between seasons one and
two of Months, this one is way way, way more violent.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Again, I'm not judging people for doing this because heaps
of stuff that I watched I'm sure people wouldn't like.
But I just can never really get into a story
if I know it's really based on real people, Like
who does Allison Ray play one of the victims? Yeah,
and like that's a real person. I mean, our favorite
pop girl. I want to support her. I'll just play
Dive Pepsy like twenty more times to support her. But yeah,
I don't ever love like thinking about like that person.
(07:35):
I don't know personally, I would just hate it if
I was brutally murdered and then someone made a TV
show about me.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And also just well, the thing about this season is
like I feel like it doesn't really humanize him at all.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I felt like Dama, like they really humanized.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
For Evan Peters, Yeah during that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And like you can't they made him sexy, Like you
can't make him sexy, I know, but I guess like
that's been and when then there's Brothers, and when that
came out at the same time as the documentary about them,
and then the Brothers came out, and there was like
such a dark difference between the story that the documentary
was telling versus a story that Ryan Murphy was telling.
I think they're like, yeah, you can't push it too
(08:10):
much when it's like a real story.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, And haven't they fictionalized a lot of this story
so much.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
As dramatized like so so much, which is you should.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's meant to be a TV show at the end
of the danger, and I think it's all sometimes even
more respectful to the people involved to fictionalize it. But
then also if you say it's based on a real story,
then people are gonna believe it's a real story, and
they gues it's not believing all of.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
These I believed it, you believe then I had to
go on the Wikipedia page and be like, oh, that
was wrong. That was wrong. That was wrong, that was fake,
that was made up.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Okay, how much did you watch before you Chicken Down?
You like twenty seconds? No?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
No, no, no no. There's like this one scene and
I don't want to spoil it because it's actually he
acts it so well. There's this one scene where he
kind of cause plays.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He wears the skin.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
We know he does that, No, but it's like he
has he puts on this voice. Oh that scent shivers
down my spine, like he is an amazing actor, but
this voice, Like I couldn't stop thinking about it, and
then I was going to sleep that night. I couldn't
stop hearing that voice, and that's.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Not how you want to be thinking of Charlie before
you go to see He's so hot? Is crazy of that.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But yeah, if you're like that, like how I am,
this will be very, very scary for you. But it
is very interesting storytelling also, just like the intricacies and
the difference of like the creativity that Ian has compared
to Ryan is also so interesting to see. But yeah,
that's monsters. The ed Ganes story.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
On Netflix, m if you're brave enough to watch it.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
If you're brave enough, let me know what's yours.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, speaking of something else, that's a very enthralling watch
on You have to be brave to watch. You have
to be brave to watch. The Victoria Beckham documentary came
out last night. I have never forgotten where I come from.
Performing was my dream.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The Spice Girls made me accept.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Who I am, and then all of a sudden it stopped.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'm so excited. I don't want you to say too
much because I really want to watch it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
No, no, no, I'm not going to spoil it's so funny because
I don't want to give spoilers. But it's also just
a history.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Especially now that I'm like an expert in the spicycles.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh my god. As I was watching it, I was
literally squealing of how much you would enjoy it because
now that you're you know what, I've.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Gone down in like deep deep rat holes the Spice
Girls like.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And also we've gotten so I've been watching.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Like clips of the concerts YouTube.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh, then you're gonna love the interviews.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And you're right. Melby was like the personality and all
the Internet.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
She's the personality higher with and it's very clear that
that she was really good at that. And like when
Jerry left, I love your living this for the first
time twenty years later.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I like, I genuinely think like the world should have ended.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, well for some of us who did. So if
anyone's on across this story, we obviously knew the Victoria
Beckham documentary was coming out. It's a three part documentary
that is very different to the one that we had
with them a few years ago, where it was Victorian David.
It was also very much about his life, yeah, and
his career, where this is about her. It's about her childhood,
it's about her finding fame with the Spice Girls.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's a big ad for her fashion to an extent.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's chronicling this moment in time that's the lead up
to her putting on a show at Paris Fashion Week,
and in that time it shows flashbacks of like her
childhood and her life her and like David's in it
quite a bit talking about her, like her best friend
Evil Longoria's in it, Anna Winters in it. Her parents
get interviewed. So there's all of that. But okay, I
don't want to give too many spoilers, but just kind
(11:34):
of just giving a bit of background in case E've
got any new listeners here. We knew this documentary is
coming out, and we got very excited and we were
talking about the fact that a Victoria Beckham documentary was
coming and then you let's slip that you didn't really
know anything about the Spy s Girls, which I had.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
To bring that up. I'm letting people. I got so
heavily trolled for that.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, we've never had so much by men.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I had men in my dms for the first time ever, going,
why do you pretend to be like this dumb little
baby doesn't know any Yeah, they're crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Get crazy, men are crazy. Okay, I didn't know that
was happening to you, sorry either than just women being like,
learn about the spy Skirls, no history, don't you support feminism? So,
which ended with us doing an episode all about the
spy Skirls are briadly honest with you the Spies Girls,
which will link in the show notes because it was
one of the funniest episodes I've had done.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That is like mine now, like I think it's a
bug gladiator for me, which is also a great really
reveals well.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It just starts naming episodes now, But in that I
took Emily through some of the history of the Spy
Skulls and how they came together, and a bit of
that is in this new Victoria Beckham documentary because you
see a bit of her childhood and how It's kind
of interesting though because she does that thing that like
other celebrities like Megan Mark will do where they give
these interviews about being really ostracized in high school and
how there was such an ugly duckling and no one
(12:48):
loved them and all this sort of stuff, and then
which I'm sure is true, like you can be bullied
in high school and primary school and either way and
you can feel like an outsider of regardless of what
you look like. But it's just always interesting in these
documentaries where they say that to the camera and then
it cuts to them and it's this video of Victoria
performing for her class and this outfit. She's just so beautiful,
she's just so talented, and everyone's clapping and appording for her,
(13:09):
and it cuts back to her and she's like, yeah,
I was such an art cast and no one liked me.
I was like, you probably should have picked a different
clip then, But apart from that, it's super interesting. So
it chronicles her life, and it talks a bit about
the Spice Girl's Law, and they even show a clip
from Spice World, the movie, and they show one of
my very very favorite How did they get that footage?
(13:30):
That's what I want to know, because if you listen
to a Brially honest review, we were talking about Spice
Sold the movie. We can't find it anywhere. It's been
scrubbed from the intern it's been scrubbed from online. And
I've had so many spillers in my DM saying, Hey, Laura,
I've got the vhs. So I'm getting those messages. You
know what I'm not getting is messages saying I have
the VHS, I'm gonna fly to Sydney bring it to you,
and I'm going to bring a VHS player. Yeah I'm
(13:53):
not getting I'm getting a lot of messages. I'm not
getting a lot of action because I'm rubbing it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
See so many people have it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But they show a clip from Spiceoil the movie, So
I was dying. They show Victoria's audition tape for the
Spice Girls, which I hadn't seen before, and why she
picked a completely different song to them, and so I
was dying over that. And she's really honest too, because
she's doing a lot of the interviews and she's talking
to camera and she talks about having an eating disorder,
which she hadn't really talked about in that way before.
She talked about kind of finding out she was pregnant
(14:21):
on the Spy Skulls tour and what was happening behind
the scenes, and she's really honest. At one stage, they're
showing all these photos of when she was, like in
her real wag era after the Spy Skulls had ended,
she hadn't started her business, and she talks about like
going to David's games, like moving to Spain moving to
America to kind of support him, and she was like
talking about how she picked her outfits and at the
time she's so like, not the Victoria Beckham we know
(14:43):
now that you know she's so chic now, and back
then she had like really long, thick blonde hair extensions,
huge fake boobs with like big sunglasses, like tiny short shorts,
little corset tops with like her fake boobs coming out
like so tanned, like almost like barbies. Yeah, which was
a whole look at the time, like she looked amazing.
But in the documentary she's like, yeah, I guess I
was like looking for attention, like I wanted to be
(15:04):
part of a conversation. And then she talks about building
the fashion brand and how no one believed in her
and like things that happened behind this.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Because she was like made fun of when she built
her fast.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, And when they bring Anna Wintour in to talk
about it, she was like, yeah, I thought she was
just a pop star with a hobby, Like I didn't
believe she's like so many she's like so many of
the me too. That sounds so fun, sounds so fun
with a hobby, it's a pop star and her hobby
is going to Italy. Yeah, oh no, but she's also
got a website and a podcast. Have you got on her?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But is that a hobby because I feel like she's
making bank on that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah she is. But she's like, it's called service ninety
five because she was so it's so cool in nineteen
ninety five, and she wants to be of service to
the world. And I was like, I don't know if
you need to be doing a website when you're one
of the bigest pop stars in the world. But she's
so and a podcast again famous he was doing podcasts.
I can't get behind it. But in the documentary, Yeah,
Anna Wintour comes on and she's got her glasses and
she's looking so chic, and she's talking about like, yeah
(15:55):
she was. She's like I knew her as a spice girl,
but she's like so many famous women in that world
try and come into our world and they can't do it,
and it's a hobby. And then Victoria talks about the
fact that she kept inviting Anna Wintur to come to
her shows and she would never come. Then she finally does,
and then so you're seeing all these flashbacks and you're
getting all this story about Victoria. At the same time,
the time is ticking for them to do this Paris
(16:16):
Fashion Week show and the designs aren't ready, and then
she's really worried about the reaction. And then they go
to like this mansion outside of Paris where they're having
the show, and it's just because it's been raining. It's flooded.
It's mud, it's dirt flooded, man, I know, and the
Paris like counsel won't land to bring gravel, and it's
the whole thing. I was very stressed for her watching it.
But it's so good. It's three episodes on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The kids are in it. Oh my sep for one. Yeah, anyway,
I wants anything else. But you'll see it's Harper. She's
feuding with Harper teenage.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Because we're definitely going to be doing a really on
a trivia and I.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Think we have to because I have just I know,
it's not like a gay way a lot, but I
literally skimmed the surface, like all that stuff's like in
the first ten minutes the first episode, and then there's
three full episodes and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
It's fascinating out right now.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's out now on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm so excited. Thank you so much for listening to
this episode of the Spill. We'll be back in your
ears at three pm today for a very special, brutally
honest review. We will see you then, Bye bye bye
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