September 30, 2025 • 33 mins
Bad Bunny has been announced as the next headliner for the Super Bowl halftime show, surprising the fans who were sure it was going to be Taylor Swift. But speaking of Taylor Swift, she has just unveiled a publicity plan packed with some surprising twists and turns, letting us know exactly what her endgame is for this new album.
And in truly surprising news, Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban are separated and reportedly heading for divorce. Now we need to unpack exactly how the divorce news got leaked, what led to it, and what will happen next.
READ - 'She didn't want this.' Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban have separated after 19 years.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill,
your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and today
I'm joined by the one, the only, Tina Berg. Mama
(00:33):
Me is pop culture and social editor and it's so
important that you're here today because we have I know,
like a lot of the time, I'm super dramatic, but
I'm not being dramatic. Yeah, who's ever said that about me?
Except every single person who's ever met me. Today, we
have truly shocking, shocking news that Keith Urban and Nicole
Kidman are separating and heading for divorce. Neither of them
(00:55):
have confirmed that, but there is so much backstory. There's
so many sources that have come forward, there are so
many clues that have led to it. There are so
many things that aren't being said that we kind of
need to wait into. So we're going to get into
the Nicole Kidman and Keith Urbans separation, but before that
will move on to some other news that just seems
really important when it came out, but in light of
the loss of love and hope in the world that
(01:16):
is Nicole and Keith. Bad Bunny headlining the next super
Bowl doesn't really feel that exciting. Yeah, poor Bad Bunny
was just this moment.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He was like, here's my announcement and then Australian people
come in and they're like, actually we're getting divorced and
now we're stealing the headlines. But good for Bad Bunny
headlining the super Bowl. Very exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, I mean I don't mind his music, and I
know that he's one of the biggest pop stars in
the world. He's got so many hits and people love him,
and I do think like you'll put on a bit
of a spectacle, which is what kind of what you
want for the super Bowl. For me, nothing will ever
top like eminem and Snoop Dogg in fifty cent. I
mean that was cinema. That was drama. But I even
missed the days of like Katy Perry taking over, like
(01:54):
doing like an arena spectacular, or Jennifer Lopez and Shakira
just doing like the greatest like dance pop mesh up
on stage.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, the year where it was like Beyonce, Bruno Mars
and Coldplay, like just this mom that was rio and
then they're singeing like that was amazing, and then.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Rihanna was good, but it was so overshadowed by everyone
being like, oh, we allowed to say she's pregnant.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, we barely watched story, being like she wasn't even
meant to reveal it, but the pants.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wouldn't do us. Yeah broke.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So she's like, well, I'm pregnant, and everyone's like can
we right, And so we weren't even like really watching
her performance even though it was not incredible. So yeah,
bad Bunny will be great. Obviously a lot of people
thought it was going to be Taylor Swift. Yeah, but
that was actually never, ever, ever, ever going to happen. Right,
It's a sweeping declaration, but that's how I feel. So
the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodall said like at the start
(02:43):
of September that she was like welcome any time, because
obviously they'd start.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well, she's welcome anytime. She's the biggest music star in
the world. That's like us saying Nicole Kimmen's welcome to
come on this podcasting time, Like, of course she is.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think Taylor Swift like maybe one day, but I
think in this instance, people started to be like, she's
definitely going to do the super Bowl because of some
things that she had said on the New Heights podcast.
And I'm sorry to say, but like she's talking about
sourdough because she loves sourdough bread, not because of the
San Francisco forty nine ers mascot, which is a man.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Called mister Yeah. But look, also, she's trained her audience
to think she has, so I'm not again, I'm not
calling anyone stupid for thinking that we hid in clues
or anything like that, because she has trained her audience
to think she has.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And there were things that she said that you could
absolutely line up to Super Bowl relating things. My reasoning
for thinking that she would never do it one is
that you don't get paid to be a Super Bowl performer,
and you do it for exposure to a new audience
or also just for like the chance to say that
you did it. So on the one hand, I kind
of think maybe one day she would do it. But
if there's one artist who does not eat exposure right now,
it's Taylor Swift. She wants to do things like on
(03:42):
her terms, curated in her way. She's not just trying
to get attention. She wants the right attention, and she
also wants ownership of the things that she does. So
there were some reports around that like she was in talks,
but she said no because of the fact that she
wasn't allowed to own the Super Bowl footage and if
she did it, she wanted to own it. The reason
I don't think those reports are true is that no one,
like People magazine, said anything about that. Yeah, so they
(04:04):
reported in the gossip and they were like, oh, here's
what fans think. But if there was any legitimacy to this,
be a close source in People magazine, also probably known
as tree Pain telling them yet we're in discussions.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
No, we're not.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So there were no kind of legitimate publications covering the
idea that she would be doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And for me personally, I feel like they don't deserve her.
I'm sorry, But the NFL audience, the audience, the fans, oh,
the ones who boo her sometimes she was booed at
last year's Super Bowl. They treated her horribly.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
She's obviously made jokes about her, and she clearly is
a bit like, that's none of my business. If you
guys hate me, that's fine, but they do not deserve
her to come on their stage and give them.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The show of a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, we don't get that from miss Swift. She's protecting
her energy.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now. Sorry, I thought we had a hard course fifty
in the room, batten down the hatchet.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But yeah, I don't think she would. For what could
potentially be if Travis Kelsey makes it to the super Bowl,
this could be his last ever super Bowl, his last
ever professional football game. I don't think Taylor Swift would
use that moment to make it her perform.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
What I was thinking, because she's always been so careful
about going to those football games are called I was
like football performance performances that she goes to the football concerts,
and she is, you know, she's very polite. You were
walking and see the footage. She sits up in the
little glass box and she drinks her little red drink
and she seems okay that she knows the camera's on her,
(05:25):
but she doesn't seem like she's trying to like draw attention,
and she's very aware that Like it's Travis's moment, the
same way when he was at her concerts. It's like
he seems very aware that it's her moment and he
doesn't try and make it about him most of the time.
And even like every time she's gone down onto the field,
I've never watched sports this closely, so I've really noticed it.
It's like she always hangs back and like till he's
(05:45):
ready to like her. And because she's so aware that
every camera is on her, and that she's trying not
to like get in front of the players when they're
having their moments celebrating. She tries not to get in
front of his family when they're like his mom and
his dad and his brother and they're hugging him and
hangs back. And isn't it true that Travis was going
to retire? And I know this from listening to his podcast.
He was thinking of retiring, but then he wants to
(06:07):
win one more Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, And the Chiefs have made it to a number
of Super Bowls in recent years, so there's every possibility
they make it. But like you said, he was planning
to retire maybe if they won. They didn't win, and
he was like, I need to give it my all
and try again.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah. So it seems very strange that in what could
be the last big moment of his sports career. If
they make it, Yeah, that's a good chance exactly also
matched if they did it, make and then she did
the same the whole time, and he has always her
to win that yeah, situation right, And she does try
to control a little bit of like how she's perceived
in these spaces.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But I also think from just a personal perspective, she'd
probably want to be with his family sitting watching the game,
enjoying seeing this career high for him. And if she's performing,
she'd miss a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It, exactly because if she's performing, then it becomes about her.
And because as we know from General Philipez's Super Bowl
documentary Halftime, which is a great watch, Oh, the lead
up to doing the Super Bowl is all encompassing. It's
like you're there fifteen twenty hours a day in the
week leading up to it. You don't talk to your
family and friends, you don't sleep, you don't eat. Because
it's so carefully crafted down to the second, everything, as
(07:09):
you're saying, has to be signed off through a million people,
which she's not used to as well, telling her exactly
what she can and can't do. And so it's kind
of weird that she would take herself out of her
fiance's life in the lead up to the biggest moment
of his sporting career. Yeah, when she doesn't need the
exposure or the fame, or she might doing a few
years like you're saying, as like a little cutes the
(07:29):
unexpected thing.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, and it's something that even if it's not, say
you don't need the exposure obviously, someone like Beyonce doesn't
need exposure either, but still did it to be like
what a fun experience, and she's put on a hell
of a show exactly. It's more for her to be like,
look what I can do. Yeah, but she's just done
that for years on the Aras tour. She doesn't really
need that moment currently to be like, hey check this out.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And also she's got a whole, like very intense rollout
planned this new album right. Yeah, she's booked and busy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
She didn't really have time to be planning a whole
supermo performance. She's got a hell of a rollout. She's
got Life of a show Girl coming out this week.
But we've got like a whole schedule the albums taped
to your fridge to have this in Australian Eastern Standard
time because everything is in New York time, and that
means nothing to me because I'm not there. But there's
so much happening. So album drops is Friday this week
(08:17):
for us. We've got five am in cinemas in Australia
on Saturday, The Life of a Showgirl movie. There's gonna
be a premiere, so keep your eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Out for that. We weren't invited to that, so that's fine.
We won't be there. No one straight in premiere noustis
because we had to go on mind and buy our tickets.
Like we bought our tickets. We're going together.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I'm gonna get cinnamon, no nuts, just in case anyone
was wondering.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's really exciting. This is the first time I bought
a ticket to a movie and go on and like
a normal person, like five years. It's gonna be crazy
to buy the tickets. Laura's like, how does this work?
I was like, how do you buy tickets to the movies?
I know that's maybe sounds someone relatable, out of touch.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Laura prom nick, that's what they say. And then she's
doing Graham Norton Show. She's doing Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.
She's doing Seth Meyers, like she's doing all the big
chat shows. This is a very like award winning rollout,
is what I would say, because this is what she
does when it's like a Grammys album, a big album,
like obviously for me, all tables of this album are
a big album. But I think she knows when she's
got something that's deeply personal and for the fans and herself,
(09:11):
and when she's got something like a Midnight's where she's like,
this is going to win awards, this is going to
be a pop phenomenon for the people in the charts.
So I think she knows she's got that and she's
doing all of the shows. But I do like this
little sneaky thing that was she released like a schedule, hmm.
And one of the things says stand by.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Oh, So that means we don't know what that's gonna be.
We don't know what that's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And the other thing we learned from the schedule is
that you won't get to watch the YouTube videos until
a few days later, so if you want to see them,
you have to go to.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This movie in the cinemas.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Of course, watch the music videos in the weird little
thing that you and I are gonna go see. Yeah,
and then she'll drop them on YouTube a couple days later.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, I guess. I guess she's getting a really good
cut of that cinema round. Yes she is. She's thinking
in ways that I've never been thought before. Yeah, I'm
interested about her doing like Seth Myers and Graham Norton
and all those shows, but because again she absolutely doesn't
need them and she can't control it the way like
that's why she went on Travis Kelsey's podcast is because
she could control that in such a way. But I
(10:08):
guess also too, she can control these media performances like
what am I saying?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That hard hitting journalists, and she has good experiences with these.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, she's been people all that. She has a fun time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm sure Stephen Colbert is coming because she and Steven
have a lot of fun with her rollouts usually, so
that has to be coming in.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I will see her back doing the chat show circuit
because we haven't seen her do it for so long.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And she's so like again, it's I guess it's that
Beyonce level of fame right where you're like, it's really
they don't seem like people sometimes, And so when she
goes on Graham Norton, that's usually my favorite because you'll
see her with other Hollywood heavyweights and everyone's just like, hey, Taylor,
like even they're a bit like ah. And so many
of her clips from Graham Norton are the ones that
have gone viral. Do you want that clip from John
Cleese where he says something about oh woman, She's like, oh,
(10:49):
we don't want to see that, do we That inflection
that was exactly how she said I know.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
He just like he just recoiled from her. And people
don't know how to behave.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
She was on there with Eddie Redmain and she's talking
about how they auditioned for Le miss Together once upon
a Time, and she's telling the story in like a
really joky fun way and.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He's just like, like so stressed about it just melts
to the floor. Eddie Redmain doesn't know what to do,
and it's like, dude, you got the role in that
movie and she didn't get the role in this case,
you were like the successful one. But because it's Taylor
Swift and she's talking about a feled audition, trying to
be relatable much like me not knowing how to buy
a movie ticket. Me and Taylor Swift two relatable queen,
two relatable girls. She's trying to make herself relatable, and
(11:27):
she just came off as more of a superstar. So
and I'm excited to see about the touch. I'm very excited.
And I also clearly clearly like I've actually got a card.
I'm actually really thrilled by this.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So like, yeah, look, I didn't ever think she was
going to do the super Bowl, but I do think
she's really about to hit us with that Taylor Swift, because.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
She's going hard for a Grammy, and it really cares
about a Grammy so much does which I understand. It's
like she's the biggest artist in the world. She makes
the most money, she has the biggest fandom, like she
has all these things. She shapes culture in a way
that is nearly unmatched with like the influence she has
at the moment, and yet she still just wants the
(12:04):
Recording Academy and the people and like that tiny group
of people who vote for the Grammys to notice and
like her work.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
And we saw that with like reputation in the documentary
that was I mean, I know I'm a fan, but
that was really sad to see. When she's like, we'll
just make something better and then they'll like it. It
does cause her. She was like, I'm not going to
cry now, but I'm going to cry later.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah. Oh my god, so may love to go for
a walk and cry later.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah. I think with tortured poets. She showed up to
that Grammys in that little red dress. She knew she
wasn't winning anything. Yeah, she was like, I'm here to
have fun. I'm having a good time. I'm not going
to win, and I don't care. But I think now
this is the album where she goes this is the
big roleout, I'm going to win everything, And people have
kind of complained that there's not been enough yet. They're like,
why didn't we get a lead single? Why haven't we
gotten this? And I do think she's just playing by
(12:47):
her own rules. Now she's invented this, let's put my
music videos in the cinema thing. She's like, I'm going
to go on the talk shows and have some surprises,
then I'll do my singles. She really wants to control
the narrative of where this is going, but she is
kind of making fun of it. She posted a video
last night about her Target exclusive, which is this big
deal in the US, not Australian Target. They always do
(13:10):
like a specific yeah yeah, And she used to go
to the stores, not anymore. She's not now just like
rocking up the side. Imagine let me buy this. But
she releases video where she made fun of herself for
not being enough of a show girl. So it was
like her as a director in normal clothes and then
her as a showgirl in a glittery outfit and she
was like, elegance, charm, don't do that. She's like, she's
(13:30):
got cat hair all over her. She's like, is there
a school we could quickly send her to. She's like,
what's going on with that girl's posture? So she's like
critiquing herself in the video for not being enough of
a showgirl.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Again, a relatable queen. She's a relatable queen.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
She knows how she's seen and she's like, I'm going
to lean into this and then I'm gonna razzle dazzle
you with an album and you're going to regret everything
you said about there.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, well we know she loves the side of revenge.
Well excited for Tailor Sift next week. Actually, myle like
sometimes that we can all the night like just with
the plane that we've done for our Tailor Swift episodes
next week is so intense. And also, congrats to Bad Money.
We forgot about him, but we will go back around.
He's concerts look like a hell of a time. Yeah. Yeah,
like we're encouraging some kid, Like, no, we're excited, you'll
(14:09):
be great. Multi award winner. Bad Bunny was very successful.
He'll be okay. We wish him well. So this morning
we all woke to the very shocking news that Nicole
Kidman and Keith Urban were divorcing after nineteen years of
marriage and two children, Sunday Rose and Faith Margaret. I
(14:29):
just had to say their full means because I always
thought they were really pretty and did you know this
makes it a little bit sadder. They named Sunday Sunday
because when Keith Urban was single for so many years,
he said he was so busy during the week in
his life was so full, but everyone spends Sunday with
their family and so Sundays were always the loneliest day
for him where he dreamed of meeting someone falling in
(14:50):
love and so when he and you, what the hell again,
I'm not obviously, I'm not lasting. We actually like quite
sad about this in my eyes, really yeah, I'm really tired,
but so sad. And so when he and Nicole got
married and had their first child, they called her Sunday
as like a celebration of that. Now he has a
family to spend the day with. Are you actually crying?
(15:14):
Just started crying? I don't know what's wrong with me.
It's not that hit me. Second, I like, you're crying.
I'm good. Okay. Maybe it's just the leftover motion for
the Taylors.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
With Maybe it's the way talent. I don't know that
was your storytelling spillers.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Let us know if you cry anyway, Again, we're not
making a lot of the situation. It's not nice crying. Yeah, yeah,
you need to check yourself because we've got so much
more to go to. Okay, I'm back. Yes. It's obviously
never nice when any couple divorces or anything, whether they're
famous or non famous. But in this case, TMZ were
the first ones to report the news that they had
(15:51):
to learn from a number of sources that they had
been separated for well over three months and we're starting
divorce proceedings. No paperwork has been filed yet, because you
know everyone's going to be all over that the moment
it happens. And then at that stage, it could have
still been a rumor. Like I was looking at thinking like,
there's not usually that many reports around Nicole and Keith separating.
(16:11):
But all it takes really for TMZ is like one
person to tell them and they'll run it. Yeah, But
then a whole bunch of other outlets picked it up,
including people who said they had confirmed with a number
of sources that the story was true. So even though
at the time of recording, neither Nicole nor Keith have
confirmed this, so don't cry, tin, it could still be
a heinous lie. No, the People magazine exclusive it Okay,
(16:34):
everything it's been I know it's only been out for
like ten hours or something now, But I just do
think that Nicole and Keith have always spoken about their
love and their marriage and like called it sacred. I
just don't think they would let these headlines sit there
for hours and hours and hours, with publications that we
know they have direct lines to, they would just let
that go if it wasn't true.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And with publications like Vulture, Vanity Fair, like major publications
reporting on it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Obviously they're all doing the same thing of saying, like
People magazine have confirmed. But at that level, at that
height of like glamorous publication or like industry publication, i'd
be saying something if it wasn't true, they wouldn't let
it spiral much further out of control.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yes, exactly. And also every publication from Vogue to Vanity
Fair to People to all these different publications have got that.
They've reached out directly to their management and their talent
teams and to them directly, so they would just be
being inundated for the last ten hours or so with
requests to confirm. So I think we're gonna have to
go ahead and say it's true. Yes, I think so.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It was a crazy morning because, like you said, TMZ,
like obviously they're often at the forefront of gossip because
that's their whole.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Thing, just that they have the network have they had
people set up at hospitals, at courts, at lawyers' offices,
at airports, like, they just have this and they pay
quite well for that information. So they just have this
huge string of informants and that's where they get so
much news so quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, and like famously controversial, but on the front foot
of gossip publication. But like that came through.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh my god, I was like I was in a tizzy. Yeah,
that came to cry them. No, I didn't cry that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I was in panic mode because I was like, what
it was like my own parents got divorced, so it
was like that's yeah, it's very crazy. But like so
TMZ's reported it. I'm like, guys, this is happening. Action mode.
And then it's like, wait, what's people magazine saying? Oh,
this is happening. I'm trying to iron a shirt. Everything
was happening.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That looks great. It doesn't I look like a chef,
but it's fine, my god, you do look like a chef.
I look like check us out on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But like I'm trying to do my morning activities, trying
to report on it for work. And then I sat
with it on the bus and then I felt my feelings,
and those feelings were I love.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nicole and Keith and I'm sad. Well again, it's because
they've spent a lot of time building a very public
love story. Yeah, and I don't think they were doing
it for Again, I know I'm putting a lot of
parasocial feelings on these people, but people who that famous
make a very deliberate choice of how they would like
their lives and their relationships portrayed to the world. And
(19:02):
some people want to keep it incredibly private, which they
did to an extent. But also they always talked about
their relationship again, that it was sacred, that it was special.
They wanted everyone to know they were madly in love.
They wanted everyone to know that they always have really
good sex. That came up a number of times even
in That Was It The Vogue seventy three questions What
(19:23):
were you more surprised to learn being an actress? Ninety
nine percent hard work, one percent glamour. The best way
to do you compress? Make love? Wh I didn't you
think that was cute?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I look, I love them. I have never found their
particular brand of PDA enjoyable, but I don't find anyone's
PDA enjoyable, and I kind of enjoy it. It's like
you're quirky, an't uncle, You're like right, want it?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Like there they are made? How much do you love
each other? I always just think It's so interesting how people.
I guess because of how Nicole Kimmen walks and talks
and moves through the world. She just comes across as
so regal and otherworldly, but she is just always like
macking on her hospital down to make out anywhere. They
love making out at a concert, at an airport, at events.
(20:09):
I've seen them hated events, you know, like when the
movie's about to start at a premiere. I want to sitting
a few ROAs behind them, and Keith and Nicole started
making out and I like politely looked away because I
was like, I'm like, it's not my fault, they're in
my eye line, but like I could be polite and
like look away. So there's you would have lead in.
I would have enjoyed the like first hand view because
you're so used to seeing it on like an award season.
(20:31):
I mean, they did it for a while. I looked
for a At that point, you're like, guys, it got
weird for me. I felt like I've got a bit strange.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think a lot of celebs do that thing where
they're like private, not secret, where like they're willing to
do a red carpet together, but they don't release anything
about themselves. It was like Nicole and Keith just took
it a step further where they're like, we'll show you
how much we love each other. Yeah, so we knew
how much they loved each other. We knew they were
banging all the time, but then, like, you know, the
intimate details not so much. But they were very forthcoming
with the PDA, and I think it wasn't a show.
(21:00):
I think they genuinely just loved each other that much
because people used to question it. They'd be like, what
are they hiding if they're putting on this display in public,
if they need to be kissing and talking about sex
all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm like, I think they just like seeing each other. Yeah,
as evidenced by Laura's hotscoop, Yeah, exactly many many years ago. Yeah,
it's interesting. I guess they just like to keep the
They never shared, like any of the real intricacies of
their family or marriage, just a highlight reel, but in
a way that didn't make people feel like they weren't
privy to their in the most kind of Yeah, working
(21:30):
super interesting. What I'm also interested in is exactly how
this information got leaked. So a lot of the sources
are saying that people Magazine in particular have talked to
is that it hasn't been known like overly publicly in
the industry, but all of their circle of friends have
known for a long time that they've been separated for
months and months living separately, and I guess they haven't
(21:52):
been pictured together. They're pictured together at a soccer game.
It's probably just over three months ago, I think, looking
at the pictures and the date, and so I don't
know what happened to that soccer game. Se Sports tears
people apart, don't no one talks so many times discussed
on this podcast exactly, don't go to sports with your
significant other, It'll ruin your life and teen will cry. Yeah.
Apparently for their circles, it's like they've been very open
about the fact that they've been separated. But then the
(22:15):
other story that's coming out is that it's been instigated
by Keith Urban because again it's all just reports coming out,
but they are reports from like Vulture and Deadline and
people and stuff who know all the people in these
circles and would be talking to them and leaving their
names out. But it's really clear that Keith's camp and
Nicole's camp are putting out the stories that they want
(22:37):
the public to be aware of. And the story that's
coming from Keith's camp is very much like he sort
of instigated it, but not in a way that's painting
him as a villain, and that it's been open to
their friends for so long. He's trying to make it
look like it's not a big dramatic reveal, Whereas what
we're hearing from the Nicole Kimmen camp is that she
(22:57):
is very heartbroken and devastated about this, and that she
has been fighting to make the marriage work. So it
sounds that she wasn't on board with the separation, is
what we're hearing.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Is what we're hearing, and the quote being like she
didn't want this and she's been fighting to save the marriage.
I think that's what has made me and maybe other
people emotional, is like, this is a couple we've seen
so in love, and the idea that nothing's happened here
but he maybe just fell out of love with her
is so fucking sad, and the idea that she's spent
months like and they say like she's been leaning on
her sister Antonia for support and that the Kidman family
(23:29):
have all rallied around her, which of course they would,
but like it sounds as though, yeah, she's been wanting
to make the marriage work, but has done the separation
because he wanted it, and as you would, but she
kind of didn't think this would happen, and now that
it's leaked, if it's just a separation and they were
maybe trying to see what would happen and work towards it,
like no paperwork has been filed.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, it's really sad that this is leaked and now
they're dealing with this publicly, and it does feel like
a leak is a thing that I am really certain of, Yeah,
is that sometimes these things get made public, but you
can sort of tell that it's the couple who don't
want to come out and say it, so they're leaking
it through trusted sources into publications that they have a
relationship with as a way not to post a statement
(24:09):
or satan into this doesn't feel like that. This feels
like it was deliberately leaked, and just the TMZ of
it all, and also the fact that it feels up
in the air, and also I just don't think Nicole
Kimmen and Keith, because they're on like the upper echelons
of like Hollywood Life would be leaking statements. I feel
like they would more do a statement and it would
be on like a little flowery card and like beautiful writings.
(24:31):
He's unconscious uncoupling announcement and we love it, we daughters
so much and we're committed to staying as a family.
Having it leaked through a TMZ exclusive with their like
greeny images of like them going about their lives and
things just does not seem like them. It doesn't seem
on brand for them.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I think, like it's just it's just really unfortunate
that this has happened because as well, I think the
obvious thing to what you were saying of like sometimes
they'll leak it themselves. Usually when they do not to
always come back to my people people, but like People
Magazine will have a comment from the rep being like, yes, confirmed,
so and so we've broken up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
They're happy, they're not happy. Whatever the thing is, the
approved statement really goes the story in stone of what
they want to say, and sometimes that does come after
a week from like a TMZ, but usually within a
few hours there's a statement out if this was like
a planned thing, whereas this clearly doesn't feel like a
planned thing. And I'm not sure how you address it
from there. Yeah, and I guess you can sort of
see how it's been kept hidden for the last couple
(25:25):
of months. Is like one. They're not the kind of
couple who posts Instagram stories or tiktoks from their home,
so it would be hard to kind of track where
they are. But we do know that Keith's been on
tour and performing and Nicole Kidman has only just wrapped
filming of Practical Magic too.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I hope that brought her some joy to do that
and these trouble time. It also gives like so much
more heartache to like all the clips of her and
Sandra Bullock hugging. Yes, I know that was just emotional
friendship anyway, but like it just makes me.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, maybe that's when she heard the news that Keith
was leaving her.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, but it's just oh my god, shut up, Laura,
I'm sorry again.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's nice that she had my support system and a friendship.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, that it would be hard to be going through
something like that while trying to keep it under wraps.
But like you said, if they're working and they're away.
No one really notices these things until suddenly they do.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Exactly, until it came to the point of people questioning
why they hadn't been seen together. And even the last
like Instagram photos and things that Nicole Yeah put out.
It's all her family and it's like her kind of
chronicling a summer with her daughters and with her sister
Antonia and Antonia's kids and this whole like beautiful thing,
which didn't raise any suspicions at the time because like,
why would it exactly when you've been married for like
(26:29):
nineteen years together for ages, no one's going one Instagram
post he wasn't in. Yeah, Like it didn't really ring
a bell, but then once you start looking at everything.
But it was also in a few months ago. Then
Nicole came and put up a wedding anniversary tribute.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It was like love you baby three months ago, and
he didn't post one, which is something people have realized
today is like, oh wait, he didn't post one And
this was three months ago, and they're rumored to have
been separated for three or four months, So maybe that
was one of those like for the public things because
they are such.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
A public couple.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
People know that they post about each other on their anniversaries.
People know they do gushy tributes, and maybe that was
like a the public are going to notice if nothing
goes out, Yeah, how he posted and he didn't and
maybe she just it lovingly and it was nothing, There
was no scandal behind it. Possibly now I don't know,
but it's hard because like she posted three months ago
that anniversary, he didn't post anything.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's meant to be the timeline they're split. It's coming
out that she was desperately trying to save their marriage. Again.
We don't know if that's true, but that's definitely the
narrative that someone on their camp is putting out there.
And you can always kind of see where the story
is going to go next. Now people are going to
go start picking through all their photos and videos in the
last couple of years, trying to like pick up what
was said and how he fell out of love with her,
(27:39):
because you know that's going to be the story. And
I'm sure the whole thing too will come up about
this her choosing work over him, because famously she is
just in so many movies.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh it already has today Everyone's like, oh, you know
how she keeps doing all these because, like we've written
about it, she pledged to work with more female directors
and then she was like, I'm taking that seriously and
I'm going to do and she.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Really she's like the one actress who really stuck to
her word, stuck to it, and everyone could learn a
thing or two from.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Her front go Nicole, but everyone's been like she's working
so much, so that's what happened. She's driven him away.
That narrative has already started, and like, I also don't
want to feed into it, but the Porner Cole narrative
is also very clearly going to come to And I
know I was just crying, but that's more sadness for love,
but like.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh, I know, but that's the whole thing of Like
I was looking at all the comments, yeah, under all
the announcements stay because it was just flooding everything and
people being like I don't believe in love anymore. Love's dead,
everything's over, and I was like, it doesn't feel like
again if true, imagine if this isn't true, but I
do think it is. Yeah, I don't think a nineteen
year marriage and two kids in this whole I don't
think that's a failure. No, I think a pretty intense
(28:40):
thing to do in this crazy world to spend that
much time with someone else and like make your marriage
work for that long. I can't really you'll love someone
that intensely for that amount of time. Don't shut up.
Don't make fun of me.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But like they really did love each other, and maybe
they still do. But like, that is not a failure
to have spent two decades with somebody, to have a
family to you know, whatever way they come out of this,
if it's friendship, if it's I don't see them getting bitter,
but I mean, you never know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It does happen.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But like, I think it's crazy to consider that a failure,
and for people to be acting like this means that,
like romance is over forever, and that's already. I'm seeing
comments be like when will Nicole be happy? She was
just happy for twenty years. Like one relationship can't define
your entire existence on this planet. And I swear to God,
if she gets the poor Jennifer Aniston treatment in the Tabloaius,
(29:27):
which she probably will, well.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think because she has kids, people see that as like, oh,
she's done something with her life in a weird true
you know how our society is really redundant in that
way and very kind of binary of how they think
of like what success was on set is. I mean, look,
she has the opportunity to do something very funny here,
which I don't think she'll do because I don't think
it's quite the mood unless he just turns out to
be a jerk and we have to rally around Nicoleon
(29:49):
take sides with her. Is that everyone loved that photo
that they thought was of her celebrating her divorce from
Tom Cruise. You know, the very iconic photo where she
looks like she's walking out of the lawyer's office and
her head's thrown back and she's celebrating and she looks
so happy, And a lot of people have always reshared that,
famous people and non famously sharing that photo as like
the band like recreated it for their album cover recent Yeah, yeah,
(30:13):
it's huge. And then only like in the last year
or so, she confirmed the story that we kind of
always knew was true but never wanted to hear, is
that it wasn't after her divorce just a movie stills vibe,
which of course it was. She's like look at what
I'm wearing, and I forget fair, that's not what you'd
be wearing. But she now has the opportunity to make
an actual savoring the freedom after divorce iconic viral photo.
(30:34):
She could do it, Nicole, that's your way to win, Nicole.
That's well, it's important to win. Yes, it's about winning.
That's so true. So that's all we know about Nicole
and Keith at the time of reporting. Again, it's not
nineteen news, but we'll leave it there because Tina's about
to go cry and get your little tissue. Oh my god,
I'll never live this down. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know what I feel, my feeling that's fine. That's
so healthy. If yeah, so healthy. If you elevated me
and Nicole, we feel our feelings.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, well know, you guys can walk down the streets
and smoke a cigarette together in the celebration. I would
love me. I've never met Keith Urman, but I meant
call him in a few times. And she's a fun
time she locked.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
To honestly, like, there'll be a sad point, but divorce,
Nicole Kimmen, Let's go get a bevy. Let's go get
a martini. If big Little Lafe season three does happen,
which is allegedly in the works. Imagine all the girl
he's on set together. Reese had a divorce, She's got
a new man, everyone's having good time. Shaline split from
Lucas Bravo, broke up with what's Zoe kravitts, Oh my god,
(31:32):
oh my god. All the divorced girls, amain. Do you
think that's why all the divorce girls are making big
little liar season two?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You get to stand around in a cozy cart again,
a crisp white wine, look out at the sea with
all your divorced friends, have a good time, and then
maybe like a murderous subplot.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
That's fine. Yeah, this is the way forward. Reese with
a spoon, divorced, Nicole Kimmen divorced allegedly shanelean Woodley coming
off two massive arabags and then Gabriel from Emily in Paris,
and Zoe Kravitz. I mean, I know she's Harry Styles now,
but she went through a massive she went through a
massive divorce and a engagement ending. And then Laura Janes
(32:08):
just there to be supportive, which I believe she would be. Yes,
get those girls on a beach somewhere and let them
film a TV show that's gonna be so great.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Let that happen, because I'll watch it and I'll also
love the behind the scenes content, and then you will
be so.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Lips, so good.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
If I was Zowe Kravitz, I would absolutely break up
with Harry Styles in order to have a singles just
your girl one.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Time, just to fit in. And also, Laura turn end
her like ten year marriage, twenty twenty year marriage. Okay, Laura,
you can stay put Laura turn you on, to say,
but Zoe and Harry time is running out, running out.
Do it for the press too well, Thank you so
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Bye Lo
So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this
podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill,
your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and today
I'm joined by the one, the only, Tina Berg. Mama
(00:33):
Me is pop culture and social editor and it's so
important that you're here today because we have I know,
like a lot of the time, I'm super dramatic, but
I'm not being dramatic. Yeah, who's ever said that about me?
Except every single person who's ever met me. Today, we
have truly shocking, shocking news that Keith Urban and Nicole
Kidman are separating and heading for divorce. Neither of them
(00:55):
have confirmed that, but there is so much backstory. There's
so many sources that have come forward, there are so
many clues that have led to it. There are so
many things that aren't being said that we kind of
need to wait into. So we're going to get into
the Nicole Kidman and Keith Urbans separation, but before that
will move on to some other news that just seems
really important when it came out, but in light of
the loss of love and hope in the world that
(01:16):
is Nicole and Keith. Bad Bunny headlining the next super
Bowl doesn't really feel that exciting. Yeah, poor Bad Bunny
was just this moment.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He was like, here's my announcement and then Australian people
come in and they're like, actually we're getting divorced and
now we're stealing the headlines. But good for Bad Bunny
headlining the super Bowl. Very exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, I mean I don't mind his music, and I
know that he's one of the biggest pop stars in
the world. He's got so many hits and people love him,
and I do think like you'll put on a bit
of a spectacle, which is what kind of what you
want for the super Bowl. For me, nothing will ever
top like eminem and Snoop Dogg in fifty cent. I
mean that was cinema. That was drama. But I even
missed the days of like Katy Perry taking over, like
(01:54):
doing like an arena spectacular, or Jennifer Lopez and Shakira
just doing like the greatest like dance pop mesh up
on stage.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, the year where it was like Beyonce, Bruno Mars
and Coldplay, like just this mom that was rio and
then they're singeing like that was amazing, and then.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Rihanna was good, but it was so overshadowed by everyone
being like, oh, we allowed to say she's pregnant.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, we barely watched story, being like she wasn't even
meant to reveal it, but the pants.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wouldn't do us. Yeah broke.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So she's like, well, I'm pregnant, and everyone's like can
we right, And so we weren't even like really watching
her performance even though it was not incredible. So yeah,
bad Bunny will be great. Obviously a lot of people
thought it was going to be Taylor Swift. Yeah, but
that was actually never, ever, ever, ever going to happen. Right,
It's a sweeping declaration, but that's how I feel. So
the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodall said like at the start
(02:43):
of September that she was like welcome any time, because
obviously they'd start.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well, she's welcome anytime. She's the biggest music star in
the world. That's like us saying Nicole Kimmen's welcome to
come on this podcasting time, Like, of course she is.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think Taylor Swift like maybe one day, but I
think in this instance, people started to be like, she's
definitely going to do the super Bowl because of some
things that she had said on the New Heights podcast.
And I'm sorry to say, but like she's talking about
sourdough because she loves sourdough bread, not because of the
San Francisco forty nine ers mascot, which is a man.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Called mister Yeah. But look, also, she's trained her audience
to think she has, so I'm not again, I'm not
calling anyone stupid for thinking that we hid in clues
or anything like that, because she has trained her audience
to think she has.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And there were things that she said that you could
absolutely line up to Super Bowl relating things. My reasoning
for thinking that she would never do it one is
that you don't get paid to be a Super Bowl performer,
and you do it for exposure to a new audience
or also just for like the chance to say that
you did it. So on the one hand, I kind
of think maybe one day she would do it. But
if there's one artist who does not eat exposure right now,
it's Taylor Swift. She wants to do things like on
(03:42):
her terms, curated in her way. She's not just trying
to get attention. She wants the right attention, and she
also wants ownership of the things that she does. So
there were some reports around that like she was in talks,
but she said no because of the fact that she
wasn't allowed to own the Super Bowl footage and if
she did it, she wanted to own it. The reason
I don't think those reports are true is that no one,
like People magazine, said anything about that. Yeah, so they
(04:04):
reported in the gossip and they were like, oh, here's
what fans think. But if there was any legitimacy to this,
be a close source in People magazine, also probably known
as tree Pain telling them yet we're in discussions.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
No, we're not.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So there were no kind of legitimate publications covering the
idea that she would be doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And for me personally, I feel like they don't deserve her.
I'm sorry, But the NFL audience, the audience, the fans, oh,
the ones who boo her sometimes she was booed at
last year's Super Bowl. They treated her horribly.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
She's obviously made jokes about her, and she clearly is
a bit like, that's none of my business. If you
guys hate me, that's fine, but they do not deserve
her to come on their stage and give them.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The show of a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, we don't get that from miss Swift. She's protecting
her energy.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now. Sorry, I thought we had a hard course fifty
in the room, batten down the hatchet.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But yeah, I don't think she would. For what could
potentially be if Travis Kelsey makes it to the super Bowl,
this could be his last ever super Bowl, his last
ever professional football game. I don't think Taylor Swift would
use that moment to make it her perform.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
What I was thinking, because she's always been so careful
about going to those football games are called I was
like football performance performances that she goes to the football concerts,
and she is, you know, she's very polite. You were
walking and see the footage. She sits up in the
little glass box and she drinks her little red drink
and she seems okay that she knows the camera's on her,
(05:25):
but she doesn't seem like she's trying to like draw attention,
and she's very aware that Like it's Travis's moment, the
same way when he was at her concerts. It's like
he seems very aware that it's her moment and he
doesn't try and make it about him most of the time.
And even like every time she's gone down onto the field,
I've never watched sports this closely, so I've really noticed it.
It's like she always hangs back and like till he's
(05:45):
ready to like her. And because she's so aware that
every camera is on her, and that she's trying not
to like get in front of the players when they're
having their moments celebrating. She tries not to get in
front of his family when they're like his mom and
his dad and his brother and they're hugging him and
hangs back. And isn't it true that Travis was going
to retire? And I know this from listening to his podcast.
He was thinking of retiring, but then he wants to
(06:07):
win one more Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, And the Chiefs have made it to a number
of Super Bowls in recent years, so there's every possibility
they make it. But like you said, he was planning
to retire maybe if they won. They didn't win, and
he was like, I need to give it my all
and try again.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah. So it seems very strange that in what could
be the last big moment of his sports career. If
they make it, Yeah, that's a good chance exactly also
matched if they did it, make and then she did
the same the whole time, and he has always her
to win that yeah, situation right, And she does try
to control a little bit of like how she's perceived
in these spaces.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But I also think from just a personal perspective, she'd
probably want to be with his family sitting watching the game,
enjoying seeing this career high for him. And if she's performing,
she'd miss a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It, exactly because if she's performing, then it becomes about her.
And because as we know from General Philipez's Super Bowl
documentary Halftime, which is a great watch, Oh, the lead
up to doing the Super Bowl is all encompassing. It's
like you're there fifteen twenty hours a day in the
week leading up to it. You don't talk to your
family and friends, you don't sleep, you don't eat. Because
it's so carefully crafted down to the second, everything, as
(07:09):
you're saying, has to be signed off through a million people,
which she's not used to as well, telling her exactly
what she can and can't do. And so it's kind
of weird that she would take herself out of her
fiance's life in the lead up to the biggest moment
of his sporting career. Yeah, when she doesn't need the
exposure or the fame, or she might doing a few
years like you're saying, as like a little cutes the
(07:29):
unexpected thing.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, and it's something that even if it's not, say
you don't need the exposure obviously, someone like Beyonce doesn't
need exposure either, but still did it to be like
what a fun experience, and she's put on a hell
of a show exactly. It's more for her to be like,
look what I can do. Yeah, but she's just done
that for years on the Aras tour. She doesn't really
need that moment currently to be like, hey check this out.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And also she's got a whole, like very intense rollout
planned this new album right. Yeah, she's booked and busy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
She didn't really have time to be planning a whole
supermo performance. She's got a hell of a rollout. She's
got Life of a show Girl coming out this week.
But we've got like a whole schedule the albums taped
to your fridge to have this in Australian Eastern Standard
time because everything is in New York time, and that
means nothing to me because I'm not there. But there's
so much happening. So album drops is Friday this week
(08:17):
for us. We've got five am in cinemas in Australia
on Saturday, The Life of a Showgirl movie. There's gonna
be a premiere, so keep your eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Out for that. We weren't invited to that, so that's fine.
We won't be there. No one straight in premiere noustis
because we had to go on mind and buy our tickets.
Like we bought our tickets. We're going together.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I'm gonna get cinnamon, no nuts, just in case anyone
was wondering.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's really exciting. This is the first time I bought
a ticket to a movie and go on and like
a normal person, like five years. It's gonna be crazy
to buy the tickets. Laura's like, how does this work?
I was like, how do you buy tickets to the movies?
I know that's maybe sounds someone relatable, out of touch.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Laura prom nick, that's what they say. And then she's
doing Graham Norton Show. She's doing Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.
She's doing Seth Meyers, like she's doing all the big
chat shows. This is a very like award winning rollout,
is what I would say, because this is what she
does when it's like a Grammys album, a big album,
like obviously for me, all tables of this album are
a big album. But I think she knows when she's
got something that's deeply personal and for the fans and herself,
(09:11):
and when she's got something like a Midnight's where she's like,
this is going to win awards, this is going to
be a pop phenomenon for the people in the charts.
So I think she knows she's got that and she's
doing all of the shows. But I do like this
little sneaky thing that was she released like a schedule, hmm.
And one of the things says stand by.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Oh, So that means we don't know what that's gonna be.
We don't know what that's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And the other thing we learned from the schedule is
that you won't get to watch the YouTube videos until
a few days later, so if you want to see them,
you have to go to.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This movie in the cinemas.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Of course, watch the music videos in the weird little
thing that you and I are gonna go see. Yeah,
and then she'll drop them on YouTube a couple days later.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, I guess. I guess she's getting a really good
cut of that cinema round. Yes she is. She's thinking
in ways that I've never been thought before. Yeah, I'm
interested about her doing like Seth Myers and Graham Norton
and all those shows, but because again she absolutely doesn't
need them and she can't control it the way like
that's why she went on Travis Kelsey's podcast is because
she could control that in such a way. But I
(10:08):
guess also too, she can control these media performances like
what am I saying?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That hard hitting journalists, and she has good experiences with these.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, she's been people all that. She has a fun time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm sure Stephen Colbert is coming because she and Steven
have a lot of fun with her rollouts usually, so
that has to be coming in.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I will see her back doing the chat show circuit
because we haven't seen her do it for so long.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And she's so like again, it's I guess it's that
Beyonce level of fame right where you're like, it's really
they don't seem like people sometimes, And so when she
goes on Graham Norton, that's usually my favorite because you'll
see her with other Hollywood heavyweights and everyone's just like, hey, Taylor,
like even they're a bit like ah. And so many
of her clips from Graham Norton are the ones that
have gone viral. Do you want that clip from John
Cleese where he says something about oh woman, She's like, oh,
(10:49):
we don't want to see that, do we That inflection
that was exactly how she said I know.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
He just like he just recoiled from her. And people
don't know how to behave.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
She was on there with Eddie Redmain and she's talking
about how they auditioned for Le miss Together once upon
a Time, and she's telling the story in like a
really joky fun way and.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He's just like, like so stressed about it just melts
to the floor. Eddie Redmain doesn't know what to do,
and it's like, dude, you got the role in that
movie and she didn't get the role in this case,
you were like the successful one. But because it's Taylor
Swift and she's talking about a feled audition, trying to
be relatable much like me not knowing how to buy
a movie ticket. Me and Taylor Swift two relatable queen,
two relatable girls. She's trying to make herself relatable, and
(11:27):
she just came off as more of a superstar. So
and I'm excited to see about the touch. I'm very excited.
And I also clearly clearly like I've actually got a card.
I'm actually really thrilled by this.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So like, yeah, look, I didn't ever think she was
going to do the super Bowl, but I do think
she's really about to hit us with that Taylor Swift, because.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
She's going hard for a Grammy, and it really cares
about a Grammy so much does which I understand. It's
like she's the biggest artist in the world. She makes
the most money, she has the biggest fandom, like she
has all these things. She shapes culture in a way
that is nearly unmatched with like the influence she has
at the moment, and yet she still just wants the
(12:04):
Recording Academy and the people and like that tiny group
of people who vote for the Grammys to notice and
like her work.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
And we saw that with like reputation in the documentary
that was I mean, I know I'm a fan, but
that was really sad to see. When she's like, we'll
just make something better and then they'll like it. It
does cause her. She was like, I'm not going to
cry now, but I'm going to cry later.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah. Oh my god, so may love to go for
a walk and cry later.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah. I think with tortured poets. She showed up to
that Grammys in that little red dress. She knew she
wasn't winning anything. Yeah, she was like, I'm here to
have fun. I'm having a good time. I'm not going
to win, and I don't care. But I think now
this is the album where she goes this is the
big roleout, I'm going to win everything, And people have
kind of complained that there's not been enough yet. They're like,
why didn't we get a lead single? Why haven't we
gotten this? And I do think she's just playing by
(12:47):
her own rules. Now she's invented this, let's put my
music videos in the cinema thing. She's like, I'm going
to go on the talk shows and have some surprises,
then I'll do my singles. She really wants to control
the narrative of where this is going, but she is
kind of making fun of it. She posted a video
last night about her Target exclusive, which is this big
deal in the US, not Australian Target. They always do
(13:10):
like a specific yeah yeah, And she used to go
to the stores, not anymore. She's not now just like
rocking up the side. Imagine let me buy this. But
she releases video where she made fun of herself for
not being enough of a show girl. So it was
like her as a director in normal clothes and then
her as a showgirl in a glittery outfit and she
was like, elegance, charm, don't do that. She's like, she's
(13:30):
got cat hair all over her. She's like, is there
a school we could quickly send her to. She's like,
what's going on with that girl's posture? So she's like
critiquing herself in the video for not being enough of
a showgirl.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Again, a relatable queen. She's a relatable queen.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
She knows how she's seen and she's like, I'm going
to lean into this and then I'm gonna razzle dazzle
you with an album and you're going to regret everything
you said about there.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, well we know she loves the side of revenge.
Well excited for Tailor Sift next week. Actually, myle like
sometimes that we can all the night like just with
the plane that we've done for our Tailor Swift episodes
next week is so intense. And also, congrats to Bad Money.
We forgot about him, but we will go back around.
He's concerts look like a hell of a time. Yeah. Yeah,
like we're encouraging some kid, Like, no, we're excited, you'll
(14:09):
be great. Multi award winner. Bad Bunny was very successful.
He'll be okay. We wish him well. So this morning
we all woke to the very shocking news that Nicole
Kidman and Keith Urban were divorcing after nineteen years of
marriage and two children, Sunday Rose and Faith Margaret. I
(14:29):
just had to say their full means because I always
thought they were really pretty and did you know this
makes it a little bit sadder. They named Sunday Sunday
because when Keith Urban was single for so many years,
he said he was so busy during the week in
his life was so full, but everyone spends Sunday with
their family and so Sundays were always the loneliest day
for him where he dreamed of meeting someone falling in
(14:50):
love and so when he and you, what the hell again,
I'm not obviously, I'm not lasting. We actually like quite
sad about this in my eyes, really yeah, I'm really tired,
but so sad. And so when he and Nicole got
married and had their first child, they called her Sunday
as like a celebration of that. Now he has a
family to spend the day with. Are you actually crying?
(15:14):
Just started crying? I don't know what's wrong with me.
It's not that hit me. Second, I like, you're crying.
I'm good. Okay. Maybe it's just the leftover motion for
the Taylors.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
With Maybe it's the way talent. I don't know that
was your storytelling spillers.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Let us know if you cry anyway, Again, we're not
making a lot of the situation. It's not nice crying. Yeah, yeah,
you need to check yourself because we've got so much
more to go to. Okay, I'm back. Yes. It's obviously
never nice when any couple divorces or anything, whether they're
famous or non famous. But in this case, TMZ were
the first ones to report the news that they had
(15:51):
to learn from a number of sources that they had
been separated for well over three months and we're starting
divorce proceedings. No paperwork has been filed yet, because you
know everyone's going to be all over that the moment
it happens. And then at that stage, it could have
still been a rumor. Like I was looking at thinking like,
there's not usually that many reports around Nicole and Keith separating.
(16:11):
But all it takes really for TMZ is like one
person to tell them and they'll run it. Yeah, But
then a whole bunch of other outlets picked it up,
including people who said they had confirmed with a number
of sources that the story was true. So even though
at the time of recording, neither Nicole nor Keith have
confirmed this, so don't cry, tin, it could still be
a heinous lie. No, the People magazine exclusive it Okay,
(16:34):
everything it's been I know it's only been out for
like ten hours or something now, But I just do
think that Nicole and Keith have always spoken about their
love and their marriage and like called it sacred. I
just don't think they would let these headlines sit there
for hours and hours and hours, with publications that we
know they have direct lines to, they would just let
that go if it wasn't true.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And with publications like Vulture, Vanity Fair, like major publications
reporting on it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Obviously they're all doing the same thing of saying, like
People magazine have confirmed. But at that level, at that
height of like glamorous publication or like industry publication, i'd
be saying something if it wasn't true, they wouldn't let
it spiral much further out of control.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yes, exactly. And also every publication from Vogue to Vanity
Fair to People to all these different publications have got that.
They've reached out directly to their management and their talent
teams and to them directly, so they would just be
being inundated for the last ten hours or so with
requests to confirm. So I think we're gonna have to
go ahead and say it's true. Yes, I think so.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It was a crazy morning because, like you said, TMZ,
like obviously they're often at the forefront of gossip because
that's their whole.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Thing, just that they have the network have they had
people set up at hospitals, at courts, at lawyers' offices,
at airports, like, they just have this and they pay
quite well for that information. So they just have this
huge string of informants and that's where they get so
much news so quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, and like famously controversial, but on the front foot
of gossip publication. But like that came through.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh my god, I was like I was in a tizzy. Yeah,
that came to cry them. No, I didn't cry that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I was in panic mode because I was like, what
it was like my own parents got divorced, so it
was like that's yeah, it's very crazy. But like so
TMZ's reported it. I'm like, guys, this is happening. Action mode.
And then it's like, wait, what's people magazine saying? Oh,
this is happening. I'm trying to iron a shirt. Everything
was happening.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That looks great. It doesn't I look like a chef,
but it's fine, my god, you do look like a chef.
I look like check us out on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But like I'm trying to do my morning activities, trying
to report on it for work. And then I sat
with it on the bus and then I felt my feelings,
and those feelings were I love.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nicole and Keith and I'm sad. Well again, it's because
they've spent a lot of time building a very public
love story. Yeah, and I don't think they were doing
it for Again, I know I'm putting a lot of
parasocial feelings on these people, but people who that famous
make a very deliberate choice of how they would like
their lives and their relationships portrayed to the world. And
(19:02):
some people want to keep it incredibly private, which they
did to an extent. But also they always talked about
their relationship again, that it was sacred, that it was special.
They wanted everyone to know they were madly in love.
They wanted everyone to know that they always have really
good sex. That came up a number of times even
in That Was It The Vogue seventy three questions What
(19:23):
were you more surprised to learn being an actress? Ninety
nine percent hard work, one percent glamour. The best way
to do you compress? Make love? Wh I didn't you
think that was cute?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I look, I love them. I have never found their
particular brand of PDA enjoyable, but I don't find anyone's
PDA enjoyable, and I kind of enjoy it. It's like
you're quirky, an't uncle, You're like right, want it?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Like there they are made? How much do you love
each other? I always just think It's so interesting how people.
I guess because of how Nicole Kimmen walks and talks
and moves through the world. She just comes across as
so regal and otherworldly, but she is just always like
macking on her hospital down to make out anywhere. They
love making out at a concert, at an airport, at events.
(20:09):
I've seen them hated events, you know, like when the
movie's about to start at a premiere. I want to sitting
a few ROAs behind them, and Keith and Nicole started
making out and I like politely looked away because I
was like, I'm like, it's not my fault, they're in
my eye line, but like I could be polite and
like look away. So there's you would have lead in.
I would have enjoyed the like first hand view because
you're so used to seeing it on like an award season.
(20:31):
I mean, they did it for a while. I looked
for a At that point, you're like, guys, it got
weird for me. I felt like I've got a bit strange.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think a lot of celebs do that thing where
they're like private, not secret, where like they're willing to
do a red carpet together, but they don't release anything
about themselves. It was like Nicole and Keith just took
it a step further where they're like, we'll show you
how much we love each other. Yeah, so we knew
how much they loved each other. We knew they were
banging all the time, but then, like, you know, the
intimate details not so much. But they were very forthcoming
with the PDA, and I think it wasn't a show.
(21:00):
I think they genuinely just loved each other that much
because people used to question it. They'd be like, what
are they hiding if they're putting on this display in public,
if they need to be kissing and talking about sex
all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm like, I think they just like seeing each other. Yeah,
as evidenced by Laura's hotscoop, Yeah, exactly many many years ago. Yeah,
it's interesting. I guess they just like to keep the
They never shared, like any of the real intricacies of
their family or marriage, just a highlight reel, but in
a way that didn't make people feel like they weren't
privy to their in the most kind of Yeah, working
(21:30):
super interesting. What I'm also interested in is exactly how
this information got leaked. So a lot of the sources
are saying that people Magazine in particular have talked to
is that it hasn't been known like overly publicly in
the industry, but all of their circle of friends have
known for a long time that they've been separated for
months and months living separately, and I guess they haven't
(21:52):
been pictured together. They're pictured together at a soccer game.
It's probably just over three months ago, I think, looking
at the pictures and the date, and so I don't
know what happened to that soccer game. Se Sports tears
people apart, don't no one talks so many times discussed
on this podcast exactly, don't go to sports with your
significant other, It'll ruin your life and teen will cry. Yeah.
Apparently for their circles, it's like they've been very open
about the fact that they've been separated. But then the
(22:15):
other story that's coming out is that it's been instigated
by Keith Urban because again it's all just reports coming out,
but they are reports from like Vulture and Deadline and
people and stuff who know all the people in these
circles and would be talking to them and leaving their
names out. But it's really clear that Keith's camp and
Nicole's camp are putting out the stories that they want
(22:37):
the public to be aware of. And the story that's
coming from Keith's camp is very much like he sort
of instigated it, but not in a way that's painting
him as a villain, and that it's been open to
their friends for so long. He's trying to make it
look like it's not a big dramatic reveal, Whereas what
we're hearing from the Nicole Kimmen camp is that she
(22:57):
is very heartbroken and devastated about this, and that she
has been fighting to make the marriage work. So it
sounds that she wasn't on board with the separation, is
what we're hearing.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Is what we're hearing, and the quote being like she
didn't want this and she's been fighting to save the marriage.
I think that's what has made me and maybe other
people emotional, is like, this is a couple we've seen
so in love, and the idea that nothing's happened here
but he maybe just fell out of love with her
is so fucking sad, and the idea that she's spent
months like and they say like she's been leaning on
her sister Antonia for support and that the Kidman family
(23:29):
have all rallied around her, which of course they would,
but like it sounds as though, yeah, she's been wanting
to make the marriage work, but has done the separation
because he wanted it, and as you would, but she
kind of didn't think this would happen, and now that
it's leaked, if it's just a separation and they were
maybe trying to see what would happen and work towards it,
like no paperwork has been filed.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, it's really sad that this is leaked and now
they're dealing with this publicly, and it does feel like
a leak is a thing that I am really certain of, Yeah,
is that sometimes these things get made public, but you
can sort of tell that it's the couple who don't
want to come out and say it, so they're leaking
it through trusted sources into publications that they have a
relationship with as a way not to post a statement
(24:09):
or satan into this doesn't feel like that. This feels
like it was deliberately leaked, and just the TMZ of
it all, and also the fact that it feels up
in the air, and also I just don't think Nicole
Kimmen and Keith, because they're on like the upper echelons
of like Hollywood Life would be leaking statements. I feel
like they would more do a statement and it would
be on like a little flowery card and like beautiful writings.
(24:31):
He's unconscious uncoupling announcement and we love it, we daughters
so much and we're committed to staying as a family.
Having it leaked through a TMZ exclusive with their like
greeny images of like them going about their lives and
things just does not seem like them. It doesn't seem
on brand for them.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I think, like it's just it's just really unfortunate
that this has happened because as well, I think the
obvious thing to what you were saying of like sometimes
they'll leak it themselves. Usually when they do not to
always come back to my people people, but like People
Magazine will have a comment from the rep being like, yes, confirmed,
so and so we've broken up.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
They're happy, they're not happy. Whatever the thing is, the
approved statement really goes the story in stone of what
they want to say, and sometimes that does come after
a week from like a TMZ, but usually within a
few hours there's a statement out if this was like
a planned thing, whereas this clearly doesn't feel like a
planned thing. And I'm not sure how you address it
from there. Yeah, and I guess you can sort of
see how it's been kept hidden for the last couple
(25:25):
of months. Is like one. They're not the kind of
couple who posts Instagram stories or tiktoks from their home,
so it would be hard to kind of track where
they are. But we do know that Keith's been on
tour and performing and Nicole Kidman has only just wrapped
filming of Practical Magic too.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I hope that brought her some joy to do that
and these trouble time. It also gives like so much
more heartache to like all the clips of her and
Sandra Bullock hugging. Yes, I know that was just emotional
friendship anyway, but like it just makes me.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, maybe that's when she heard the news that Keith
was leaving her.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, but it's just oh my god, shut up, Laura,
I'm sorry again.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's nice that she had my support system and a friendship.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, that it would be hard to be going through
something like that while trying to keep it under wraps.
But like you said, if they're working and they're away.
No one really notices these things until suddenly they do.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Exactly, until it came to the point of people questioning
why they hadn't been seen together. And even the last
like Instagram photos and things that Nicole Yeah put out.
It's all her family and it's like her kind of
chronicling a summer with her daughters and with her sister
Antonia and Antonia's kids and this whole like beautiful thing,
which didn't raise any suspicions at the time because like,
why would it exactly when you've been married for like
(26:29):
nineteen years together for ages, no one's going one Instagram
post he wasn't in. Yeah, Like it didn't really ring
a bell, but then once you start looking at everything.
But it was also in a few months ago. Then
Nicole came and put up a wedding anniversary tribute.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It was like love you baby three months ago, and
he didn't post one, which is something people have realized
today is like, oh wait, he didn't post one And
this was three months ago, and they're rumored to have
been separated for three or four months, So maybe that
was one of those like for the public things because
they are such.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
A public couple.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
People know that they post about each other on their anniversaries.
People know they do gushy tributes, and maybe that was
like a the public are going to notice if nothing
goes out, Yeah, how he posted and he didn't and
maybe she just it lovingly and it was nothing, There
was no scandal behind it. Possibly now I don't know,
but it's hard because like she posted three months ago
that anniversary, he didn't post anything.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's meant to be the timeline they're split. It's coming
out that she was desperately trying to save their marriage. Again.
We don't know if that's true, but that's definitely the
narrative that someone on their camp is putting out there.
And you can always kind of see where the story
is going to go next. Now people are going to
go start picking through all their photos and videos in the
last couple of years, trying to like pick up what
was said and how he fell out of love with her,
(27:39):
because you know that's going to be the story. And
I'm sure the whole thing too will come up about
this her choosing work over him, because famously she is
just in so many movies.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh it already has today Everyone's like, oh, you know
how she keeps doing all these because, like we've written
about it, she pledged to work with more female directors
and then she was like, I'm taking that seriously and
I'm going to do and she.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Really she's like the one actress who really stuck to
her word, stuck to it, and everyone could learn a
thing or two from.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Her front go Nicole, but everyone's been like she's working
so much, so that's what happened. She's driven him away.
That narrative has already started, and like, I also don't
want to feed into it, but the Porner Cole narrative
is also very clearly going to come to And I
know I was just crying, but that's more sadness for love,
but like.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh, I know, but that's the whole thing of Like
I was looking at all the comments, yeah, under all
the announcements stay because it was just flooding everything and
people being like I don't believe in love anymore. Love's dead,
everything's over, and I was like, it doesn't feel like
again if true, imagine if this isn't true, but I
do think it is. Yeah, I don't think a nineteen
year marriage and two kids in this whole I don't
think that's a failure. No, I think a pretty intense
(28:40):
thing to do in this crazy world to spend that
much time with someone else and like make your marriage
work for that long. I can't really you'll love someone
that intensely for that amount of time. Don't shut up.
Don't make fun of me.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But like they really did love each other, and maybe
they still do. But like, that is not a failure
to have spent two decades with somebody, to have a
family to you know, whatever way they come out of this,
if it's friendship, if it's I don't see them getting bitter,
but I mean, you never know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It does happen.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But like, I think it's crazy to consider that a failure,
and for people to be acting like this means that,
like romance is over forever, and that's already. I'm seeing
comments be like when will Nicole be happy? She was
just happy for twenty years. Like one relationship can't define
your entire existence on this planet. And I swear to God,
if she gets the poor Jennifer Aniston treatment in the Tabloaius,
(29:27):
which she probably will, well.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think because she has kids, people see that as like, oh,
she's done something with her life in a weird true
you know how our society is really redundant in that
way and very kind of binary of how they think
of like what success was on set is. I mean, look,
she has the opportunity to do something very funny here,
which I don't think she'll do because I don't think
it's quite the mood unless he just turns out to
be a jerk and we have to rally around Nicoleon
(29:49):
take sides with her. Is that everyone loved that photo
that they thought was of her celebrating her divorce from
Tom Cruise. You know, the very iconic photo where she
looks like she's walking out of the lawyer's office and
her head's thrown back and she's celebrating and she looks
so happy, And a lot of people have always reshared that,
famous people and non famously sharing that photo as like
the band like recreated it for their album cover recent Yeah, yeah,
(30:13):
it's huge. And then only like in the last year
or so, she confirmed the story that we kind of
always knew was true but never wanted to hear, is
that it wasn't after her divorce just a movie stills vibe,
which of course it was. She's like look at what
I'm wearing, and I forget fair, that's not what you'd
be wearing. But she now has the opportunity to make
an actual savoring the freedom after divorce iconic viral photo.
(30:34):
She could do it, Nicole, that's your way to win, Nicole.
That's well, it's important to win. Yes, it's about winning.
That's so true. So that's all we know about Nicole
and Keith at the time of reporting. Again, it's not
nineteen news, but we'll leave it there because Tina's about
to go cry and get your little tissue. Oh my god,
I'll never live this down. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know what I feel, my feeling that's fine. That's
so healthy. If yeah, so healthy. If you elevated me
and Nicole, we feel our feelings.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, well know, you guys can walk down the streets
and smoke a cigarette together in the celebration. I would
love me. I've never met Keith Urman, but I meant
call him in a few times. And she's a fun
time she locked.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
To honestly, like, there'll be a sad point, but divorce,
Nicole Kimmen, Let's go get a bevy. Let's go get
a martini. If big Little Lafe season three does happen,
which is allegedly in the works. Imagine all the girl
he's on set together. Reese had a divorce, She's got
a new man, everyone's having good time. Shaline split from
Lucas Bravo, broke up with what's Zoe kravitts, Oh my god,
(31:32):
oh my god. All the divorced girls, amain. Do you
think that's why all the divorce girls are making big
little liar season two?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You get to stand around in a cozy cart again,
a crisp white wine, look out at the sea with
all your divorced friends, have a good time, and then
maybe like a murderous subplot.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
That's fine. Yeah, this is the way forward. Reese with
a spoon, divorced, Nicole Kimmen divorced allegedly shanelean Woodley coming
off two massive arabags and then Gabriel from Emily in Paris,
and Zoe Kravitz. I mean, I know she's Harry Styles now,
but she went through a massive she went through a
massive divorce and a engagement ending. And then Laura Janes
(32:08):
just there to be supportive, which I believe she would be. Yes,
get those girls on a beach somewhere and let them
film a TV show that's gonna be so great.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Let that happen, because I'll watch it and I'll also
love the behind the scenes content, and then you will
be so.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Lips, so good.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
If I was Zowe Kravitz, I would absolutely break up
with Harry Styles in order to have a singles just
your girl one.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Time, just to fit in. And also, Laura turn end
her like ten year marriage, twenty twenty year marriage. Okay, Laura,
you can stay put Laura turn you on, to say,
but Zoe and Harry time is running out, running out.
Do it for the press too well, Thank you so
much for listening to us today. I hope no one
else is crying, but if you are, it's okay. That's
a very healthy emotion. Let it out. It's in good company.
And if there's anything I'd like to hear more of
(32:47):
on the spill, if there's stuff you love, stuff you
don't love, stuff you want us to cover, please leave
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(33:08):
by Scott Stronik, and will be back here in your
podcast feed at eight am tomorrow with morning Tea. Bye
Bye Lo
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