June 12, 2025 • 34 mins
On the show today, Lena Dunham has dropped the first trailer for her new series Too Much, and it’s giving chaotic, romantic, autobiographical energy. We break down why this show feels like a return-to-form for Lena and why we're pumped for it to drop.
Plus, Sabrina Carpenter has just announced her new album, and it's already making headlines thanks to a bold cover image. We unpack the aesthetic, and whether it's gone a touch too far.
And finally, Glenn Powell’s ex-girlfriend Gigi Paris has given an interview dropping bombshells on that press tour with Sydney Sweeney, and we’re diving into the emotional fallout when PR chemistry spills into real-life heartbreak.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So much you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that
this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
On from mom and MEA welcome to this spill your
daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Amburnham and I'm Laura Brodney. Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Lovely to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Lovely. I feel it almost said like lovely to meet
you because I haven't seen you for like a week.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's been really long. I know it even went on
a date without me last night.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, And can I just tell you this is so
of our toxic codependent relationship. I actually did think about
you the whole time. Anyway, I won't spoil anything or
just say we can watch. Tomorrow is going to be lit.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's going to be lit.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But coming up on the show today a new podcast
interview that has absolutely blown my mind on the whole
Glen Pale Sydney Sweeney situation, plus Sabena Carpenter's new artworks
song One of Us has a really intense opinion and
for the first time, it's not me. I have thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's a hot take.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's a hot take. It's the hottest of takes that
will only stay here in the spill in the safety
of our friends. Don't tell anyone but first, this week
we've been gifted with the first trailer for an upcoming
movie on Netflix, A little rom Com. And what's exciting
about that is that it is written, produced, and created
by Lena Dunam. Just something has shifted with you. You're unhappy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Leave me.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's the worst thing everyone's ever done. Change your life.
Guilty London.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Seriously, you love London.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You saw a Spice World nine times in the Theater.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Of t.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Do this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I'm fix by the way you've got like an American accent. Right,
let me guess you like one of those love actually girls.
I came here to find myself?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Is he who he says? He used?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
This has all just been a series of redflex You
think you're so special. I get that it's hard for you,
but like it's hard for fucking everyone. Okay, I wanted
to be in bed with like a few grant from
the British. Did you say British. There's four of them. Yeah,
it's not called British jonesis.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I am so excited?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
How many times have you watched the trailer? I've shocked
him at three.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh, I think I'm like on seven.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Really, it's like a little movie to me. It's so good.
The trailer itself could be a short film. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I have a huge crash on Will Sharp.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, he's from White Lotus Season two, right, and he's
in this Well, he's playing a very pivotal role. So
this new movie stars Megan Statler. It's called too much.
And if I say that it's too excited, too much,
too much, which.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
The movie every Woman has been called.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
At least literally, that is what I think to myself
every day as I walk into this office. Might don't
be too much, don't be too much. And I always
break it as soon as I walk in the door.
But that's fine. I'll thank you. Well, maybe to you,
but to the rest of the world. Definitely so me
and we won't talk about that. So it stars Megham Stetler,
who is an amazing comedian. But I think a lot
of people have fallen in love with her recently on
the TV show Hats, one of the greatest TV shows
(03:07):
of all time.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She's just been a big award winner TV show.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it's won so many awards, critical acclaim. It just
finished its recent season on standing if you haven't watched it,
but it's been renewed for another season. I'm so excited.
So she's been a breakout star and that, and she's
the lead in this and she plays a woman called Jessica,
which is just the perfect, like slightly elder millennial name.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And is actually I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well yeah, because she's playing a woman in her mid thirties,
and I think at that time, every second girl was Jessica.
I was almost Jessica. I was going to be Jessica
until the day I was born and my mum opened
the newspaper and all the announcements were all Jessica.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So she flipped to Laura. But it's a good name
Shakespeare invented.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I feel like everyone has a friend named jess.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Everyone has a jess jesses so like I just love
that little detail of like that that's exactly what her
name would be. So she's a workaholic woman living in
New York. She's in her mid thirties. She's just had
this big relationship breakup that she thought was going to
be her forever relationship. Her partner has like moved on
with a new love interest when Saya like the one
(04:09):
love interest note no pardon to move on with, and
so she takes off and moves to London, where she
plans to live a life of solitude like a Bronte's stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's giving little women exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But when she's there, she meets Felix played by Will
Shark Your Lover, and they sort of have this kind
of big, beautiful romance, but also she's trying to find
herself and.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It feels like a huge situation ship. That's where I
feel like it's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
One hundred percent this love story, but it's also this
thing on modern dating, and the dialogue is so sharp
and funny, like I love when she arrives in London
and she meets Felix and he's like, oh, are you
one of those love Actually girls? As in like she's
grown up watching her Love Actually and so she's come
to London and then it comes upon the screen produced
by the people who made.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Love Actually so good. It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Interesting though, this is like a little autobiographical for Lena
Dunham in a way, because remember how she broke up
with Jacki Antonoff and there's a whole thing. He was
dating Lord and then he moved on really quickly with
Margaret Quality and they got married. And when Lena Dunham
met an Englishman called Louis Felber, who is the co
creator and producer on this show.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
She met the guy she married.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yes, so she made the show with her husband, and
so they met. So Lena and Louis met, and she
thought it was just gonna be a one night's stand
and they met and they just went like a whole
night walking around London, talked for hours and hours and hours.
This is in twenty twenty one, and a few months
later they had that big, beautiful London wedding, remember when
Taylor Swift was the bridesmaid, and they just fell madly
in love. And then they've made the show together, which
(05:39):
is kind of like an interpretation of their lost story.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And this is the first thing that because I obviously
know Lena Dunham still rides and she has a sub
stack and everything, but this the first like piece of
TV she's made since Girls.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh no, she's made other things like that is like
a girl called Bertie and like a few other kind
of things like this, But I guess this is kind
of her dipping her toe back into that signature form
of storytelling that she had with girls, which is that
kind of millennial. It also like it's a kind of
critique of like modern dating and also expectations of life
and friendship and all the things. And so Megan Stutler's
(06:12):
kind of as Jessica is playing like a very fictionalized
version of her, which I hope people will just kind
of get on board with this time.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah. I don't want it to be tainted with any
reviews about the comparison between the show and Lena Dunham's life,
because I feel like this is just going to be
such good standalone TV yeah, that everyone's going to enjoy.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, because when she uses her own life, which she's
done many times, not just with girls, but like with
tiny furniture and all these kind of things, she's just
using that as a jumping off point, and she's taking
these little bits of her life and our lives as
like women in their twenties, thirties and like forties now
and like blowing it up. And that was the big
critique with Girls that people still don't get is that
Hannah Harvath was meant to be like satire, like a caricature.
(06:55):
When she would say things like I'm the voice of
a generation and stuff like it's meant to be. It's
meant to be part of a joke.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, that every woman has like felt and it was like, actually,
like all four of them right, like they all felt
like extreme character chures of like every person you've been
growing up in your twenties.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And then yeah, and that's so deliberate. Now people are
just like, oh, it's so insufferable, and like that's just
her on screen. It's a joke, and like this is
also a very over the top character she is. I
love when she's walking through the notting Hill houses and
he's like, yeah, everyone who lives in this neighborhood is
like they're all broken inside, and she's like, oh, but
a yellow doors. So true, she's all of us. When
(07:30):
we go to London. It's so magical here doing a
huge pug for Netflix here because we're so we're so
easily bought with a good trailer. Too Much is coming
out on Netflix July ten. We'll talk more about it then.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Okay. So a few days ago, Sabrina Carpenter released a
music video called Manchild and the video is very similar
to her other music videos like Espresso and Please Please
Please is very big storytelling. It's obviously set in a
(08:06):
specific period of time. It's pretty old school. There's that
like seep filter over it. And in this video she
plays a sexy beautiful hitchhiker.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Such a departure for her. A sexy beautiful woman.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
A sexy beautiful woman who is a hitchhiker who catches
rides with really dumb men, so like men who wash
their face with gasoline, men who are like extremely bad
kisses and they don't realize. I want to read some
of the lyrics for this song, Like one of the
lyrics is why so sexy if so dumb? And how
(08:39):
survived the earth so long? If I'm not there, it
won't get done. I choose to blame.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Your mom, I mean, fair, fair friend.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So it's kind of everything that she's done, Like she
hasn't changed her brand as such, right, Like we've talked
about her before, how she's plays this role of like
the sexy bombshell pollypocket girl who kind of takes ownership
of her sexuality and says that women are better than men. Essentially,
that's pretty much what she's been saying, and she's had
that interesting strategy from kind of moving out of that
(09:11):
Disney persona that I feel like a lot of other
Disney stars weren't able to do as well, and she's
kind of pushed into this limelight. And her whole thing
is that she sexualizes herself, but it's for women, it's
not essentially for men. And she also does all of
this in I want to say the name of female empowerment.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think so. And again, this is all we've said
from the moment she got really popular. Is that the
dancing around stage and the little baby doll dresses, all
the sequin body suits, the big hair, the very over
the top, almost like burlesque baby girl style makeup and everything,
and like that really old school pop star persona that
she has. It should feel regressive. It should feel like
(09:51):
we've done this so many times, haven't we moved past this?
But it's almost like we've come back around so far
the other way that what was regressive now feels like
really fresh and fun, And I'm like, yeah, I just
want to see a girl acting like a sexy baby
up on the stage, dancing around Laingderie singing too cute
little lyrics that I can bop along to. It's all
I want.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And the stage stuff like I feel like, oh my god,
what am I watching? But it's exactly what you said.
It's not like she comes out in a towel. There's
one song Juno that she does, like a different sex
position every night.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, you know. She was doing the Short and Sweet too,
And like a lot of mums will take their younger
kids because they like love espresso without like knowing what
almost stuffs about, which is all of us listening to
pop music when we're kids, Like it's only when you
get older you're like, oh, I sung this when I
was five, but it's about a sex position, but I
didn't know, so it was fine. And all these mums
and dads being so horrified that she was simulating sex
(10:40):
on stage, and I was like, that's her brand. Yeah,
that's she just really like a little dolls.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It's even like articles saying if you're a parent, here's
what to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Some moments during the show where mums would like lean
over and cover their kids' faces. Yeah, oh my god, yes,
just let them see it. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think all of this to say is that up
until like now, she's always been in control of the narrative,
and I think that has changed really because early this
morning she announced that she's releasing a new album in August,
and I feel like she's loosened the reins a bit.
So the album is called Man's Best Friend, and she's
posted it alongside the artwork, which is her on her
(11:18):
hands and knees in front of a man standing over her,
gripping a handful of her hair. And I don't want
to sound like a prude, but it deeply upset me.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Why did it?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, So he's leaning over her, and he's gripping her
hair in a like a very intense way, right, like
a fistful.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, Like a fist full of ham like kind of
pulling it up.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah. So something that is like bording that line between
like consensual sex play and something a bit more forceful.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And so you saw that, and why was it upsetting?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I saw that, and I thought, like, I'm a huge
Sabrina Carpenter fan, and I think what she does really
well is that she juxtaposes her songs from what she's
putting out there in her looks. And I think that
works because like you're obviously being sexy. It's for the
male gaze essentially, but then the songs do something different
where the songs are for women. The songs are like,
(12:05):
don't take shit from men, especially shitty men.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
All my heart, my makeup so nice.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
The thing when you hear that, you're like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, like you have the power. Even the sex position
she does on stage, it's like the women having the
power in that situation, right, And this feels like it's
done the complete opposite, and it's it's something that I
feel like works for an older audience where you can
see that juxtaposition. But we have to keep in mind
that a lot of her fans are young girls, like
(12:33):
young children, and I think just seeing an album artwork
of a woman comparing herself to a dog man's best friend,
being on her hands and knees in front of a man,
and like it's such a submissive like kind of like
making yourself really small and just like a really gross way. Yeah,
not everyone will be able to see that stark difference
(12:55):
between that and then the song she released, Manchild, and
I think that is quite harmful for the young girls
who follow her.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh isn't that interesting? Because I took a completely dig
kind of takeaway from it when I saw it, I
just was like, I mean, obviously, I do understand what
you're saying, like there's some kind of more of a
serious undertone there, but I think she's leaned so far
into this kind of like bubblegum pop persona that something
like that just feels like the natural progression of where
her marketing needs to go. And I think she's probably
(13:23):
looking around because she's like almost the definition of a
manufactured pop star without being like someone who was just
plucked and kind of given a completely new name in makeover,
Like she's been around for a while, but everything about
her is very manufactured, and I think that she's leaning
into almost that kind of shock, trying to get publicy
through that way, because if you look round at her,
like competition, it's like Taylor Swift, who's also on stage
(13:46):
in a sparkly bodysuit, but it is still very much
appealing to very young girls and is very much like
very earnest and female empowerment and this is what a
relationship is. And I'm here like I'm a songwriter kind
of thing. I'd say that with all respect, obviously, I'm
like a basic bitch. I love taylor'ste I love Sabrina Carpenter,
but also Gracie Abrams, who's like standing on stage very
pared back with a guitar, singing these beautiful lyrics and
(14:08):
almost going a bit folksy sometimes. And then you've got like,
you know, the other women who are coming up, who
are also leading more away from that old school pop
star thing. So she's gone the other way, which is
quite smart in terms of being like, I'm going to
go back and do it like what Brittany did, what
Christina did, all those kind of like things, and be
very like aggressively sexual in a way that feels like
it's pushing the envelope. And because she's been very clear
(14:30):
also in the fact that she's like, I put my
tour together, I write my songs, I do my dances,
so I'm choosing this. So when I saw it, I
was like, oh, that's fine, because she's choosing it, it's
like consensual.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It is consensual one hundred percent, and I think it
does work for us. But similar to Gracie Abrams and
Taylor Swift, like you said, if you're still taking money
from young girls attending your concert. I think you do
have a level of responsibility.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean, but do you though like she's not
their parent, She's not there to raise them. No, but
she that's up to their parents of who goes to
the concert and who listens to their music and what
they take away from it. And isn't that the whole
excitement of like being a teenager when you go to
all concerty hear a song and you're like, what is this?
Like this is one hundred different.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And I do think like even the sex positions, I
was so fine with ye, Like, but I think it's
the comparing yourself to a dog and then putting that
online and then with all the young girls to follow
us saying that this is cool, this is okay, this
is female empowerment. It is not female empowerment.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, that's the thing about wrapping anything to do with
pop music and like money making essentially into female empowerment.
It's like, at the end of the day, to bring
it back to our friend Emrata and those kind of
women from like our first segment, it's like they'll like
be on magazine covers posing naked and all these things,
and like it's female empowerment. And it's like, no, you're
making money and that's totally fine. We support your right
to make money any way you want. But this is
(15:50):
not lifting anyone else up and that's okay. Once you
put that kind of gaze over it, that's when it
becomes problematic. So I feel like with Sabrina Carpenter, it
could just be I think she needs to drop the
women empowerment situation where she's actually, to be fair, never
really leaned into that much. Like I've never seen her
be on stage being like I'm making a stand for women.
She's just like, stand up for your off in a relationship,
(16:11):
tell that loser guy to get away from you. Like,
that's just common sense. It's not empowerment. So I think, yeah,
I think once you wrap it up in empowerment, that's
a bit of a red flag. But if she's like,
I'm doing this to markt myself and make money, yeah,
like that's fine.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Just pouring one out for all this. Parents, you have
to have a conversation with their kid who shows them
the photo.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Emily will talk to your daughter and say hey, hey,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Do it leads on music video.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh your children. I thought you said I'll do a
PSA into the camera. It's like, if your children ask questions,
show them this and Emily will say, I don't need
to be a dog.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I will say, if you don't want to be a dog,
you don't have to. Yeah, women aren't dogs.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Women are dogs unless that's your thing. And in that case,
no judgment of people's sex kinks. But make it consensual.
They'll be like, don't take young kids money and be like,
what's a sex kink?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Mom?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This is why you don't take parenting advice from Ellie. Okay.
Onto the interview, we've been wing. I actually thought we
were never going to get this because two long years
have passed. Has it been two years? It has been
two years months since the movie Anyone but You burst
onto our screens. But there was such a big lead
up for this rom com that was shot in Sydney
(17:24):
outside on your office. Actually it really took me out
of the movie because so often it's the characters from
Anyone but You, which is the wrong comm starr in
Glen Powell and Sidney Sweeney. That was filmed in Australia
in Sydney, and they were always filming on those streets.
I walk home on I was just like, oh wow.
But the funny thing was that they had to blank
out all of the faces of the crowds in the
background because obviously no one had any chill, and people
(17:45):
would just like.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Do you recognize yourself?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it's me in the background, Glenn Glen. So that
movie came out in twenty twenty three, and the huge
build up to it was that Sidney Sweeney and Glen
Powell both in very long term loving relationships. Glen Powell
had been with his girlfriend gig Paris for over three years.
Sidney Sweeney had been with her fiance Jonathan Devino, oh
many many years, and.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They got a neng age.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
They produced the movie together. They made the movie together essentially.
So before the movie comes out, Sydney and Glenn were
posting all of these photos and videos and things from
filming in Sydney and making this movie together. And there
were so many videos that showed them getting them really
touchy feely, remember them on the like the red double
decker tour bus, yes, or like him doing like the
(18:30):
weightlifting squats.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Over Oh my god, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah really, And so all of that stuff came out
and kind of like into the promo press of the movie.
We're also on red carpets. They were like hugging and
like half kissing, like whispering to each other and always
saying like we're just friends, but the chemistry is there,
and all these things like clearly promo for the movie,
except it wasn't. And in the midst of all that,
Gig broke up with gun Power yea, And we've never
(18:56):
really heard her full side of it. She did make
a comment at the time saying that what had happened
was really hurtful, but she didn't say anything else. But
now she has gone on the podcast too Much, And
when I went in to listen to the podcast, I thought, Oh,
this is gonna be one of those podcasts where she didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Realize what talking about too much in two different ways.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh yeah, too much of the podcast, I don't, so
yeah too much the TV show too much to the podcast,
we're both too much. It is honestly the biggest phrase
I should read too much. Well, this podcast will just
be too much, which sometimes it is. So when I
went to listen to her interview on too Much, I
thought it was going to be more of a like
an overarching career chat about, you know, her life and everything,
(19:34):
because she's a model, she's also got a clothing line,
she's a yoga teacher, She's got a lot going on.
But the whole thing was about the Glen Powell Sydney
Sweeney situation in a way that I've never heard before.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
This interview was like so insane to me. Firstly because
I didn't realize that we talked about the Sydney Sweeney
and Glenn Powell like PR thing for a really really
long time, especially as things progress and they broke up
with their partners. But I didn't realize how badly it
affected her relationship.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yes, I was just okay, here's what I thought happened,
of which I'm now questioning. I thought that they had
been together for a while, but they'd already had like
some issues in their relationship, as you know, this is
a normal thing, And that it was so clear to
everyone that the Glenn and Sydney situation was PR because
it was so over the top and so overt, and
his public behavior had just been one factor in his
(20:30):
breakup with GG, not the driving force. So what she
talks about in this podcast interview is that they had
been together for over three years they lived together. Their
families were very intertwined, and a lot of their relationship
had taken place during COVID Lockdown. He was obviously a
celebrity before Top Gone and Anyone but You, but mostly
TV like smaller movie roles, that Netflix movie like, so
(20:53):
he's not getting chased down the street by paparazzi. And
so much of their life together was in Quarantine and COVID.
So they're just at the house together, like she was like,
I would be sewing and making things, you know, and
he would just be riding and we were just together
in this little bubble.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
All relationships that were formed during COVID just moved so fast.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yes, yeah, that's what she said. She was like, you're
either broke up or you're all exactly like we were
all in So then you have that context for their relationship.
And then he goes to Australia to fill anyone but you.
They're still very in love. She's like, it was hard
to see him sort of be such a blow up
and be this megastar, but I was so in love
with him, and we told each other we would be
together forever. And then she said she starts to see
(21:33):
all of the videos and stories pop up about him
and Sydney, and she calls him and says like, hey,
what's going on, And that is the first time that
he's quite dismissive of her and her feelings. This is
a red flag. I love how you acting like you
haven't heard this is like leaning so bored on her.
I've listened to it. What's so interesting is that she
(21:56):
talked about her decision to go to Australia and kind
of all the factors in that, and to me, this
was kind of like hearing this part of her interview
was like one of the biggest red flags.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And we like try to kind of keep it on
good terms. But then as soon as I loved more
and more things started coming out, Like I just was
so frustrated, how disrespectful it all was, like, at least
have your publicist make a statement or something on my
behalf call me and say, okay, how should we address this?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
There were weeks I went by I didn't hear a
single thing. It's crazy how transactional that industry is. And
that's why I was like, I need to get the
fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I am ready to throw hands for this woman.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Me too, like I crossed so well visited, she speaks
so eloquently. Obviously everyone said of the story would be different,
but like my.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Heart broke when I heard this interview, This Glenn Pale man,
I don't know what is but what I found really
interesting is that everything she's saying is true. Right, Like
he did not mention her at all during his press tour,
whereas Sidney Sweeney did mention her partner because as you said,
he was a produced on the show.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
He was on every red carpet, he were in on
the joke and he was part of the and he's
making money off Yeah, he's making.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Money off it. There was a part where like he
was in on the joke on an SNL skid where
she called him out as like her fiance, and she
even like said he's backstage my beautiful fiance. And Glenn
pal was just silent about.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Jig exactly the only reason people knew that she existed
because they had taken photos and like talked about their
relationship previously. But as soon as he got into filming
this movie, it was like radio silence. So from Gig's perspective,
he went to Australia, he's filming this stuff blows up.
Her first kind of point of contact with him was like, hey,
I know nothing's going on, and I know thing's fine,
but just be aware that everything you're doing right now
(23:43):
when you post these photos is on the world stage
in a huge way. And she said he took that
very badly. And then she said she called him and
was trying to get a work visa because she wanted
to come over and be in Australia for the majority
of filming the movie, because filming a movie takes months
and months and months, but she wanted to be able
to work here because one she said, she's like, I
don't stop my life from a man, great advice to everyone. Also,
(24:04):
she's like, I pay my own bills and so I
can't come over and just hang out for months. So
she took a while to get to Australia because she
was getting your work visa. And as she was sorting
all of that out, she called Glenn and said it's
all coming together. I'm coming and he said to her,
I don't think you should come because of the producers.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
There was one specific reason why I flew to Australia
to end things.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I got a phone call from him right when I
was about to go to Australia to work. I had
my visa that took me much longer than I anticipated. Meanwhile,
all this show was coming out on the internet and
I had jobs lined up, and he called and said,
the producers and I have discussed that I think it's
best that you don't come to visit to.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
K Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And that's when I hung up and I was like,
this mother fucker is done to me.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
The way.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I would have I would have swam, Yeah, fucking swam there.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
If it's true for your partner to hear that coming
out of someone else's mouth and not just put the
kebash on it right then and there and say I'm
not saying that to my girlfriend, that's one layer of it.
And then the fact that there was the audacity to
say it to you.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
You're a saint for not I think that's what I
just also thought. Out of love, I was like, where
the fuck are your balls?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Wait? What does she say?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And that beak are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Beat? In the podcast? As well as like it's beatn
on all of the TikTok videos that we've been watching
and in the podcast. So she calls him right and says,
I'm coming, and when he says, the producers don't think
it's a good idea. The producers, I mean there's lots
of producers, but the two main producers are Sidney Sweeney
and Jonathan Devino. Oh, because they're the producers of the movie,
which who put that together? Yeah, yeah, which is a
(25:54):
whole extra layer of the movie. Like they're the ones
who are making the movie. So they're the ones who've
said to Glenn Powe, your don't I don't think your
girlfriend should come near the set.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Has there been any like theories on what was said
during that beef?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, it's so funny because if you look at all
the comments on TikTok where that video with the beep
is playing, everyone's like, get those lip readers and here
are because they beat it, but they don't take the
camera away. I have watched that video a few times now,
you think you got it? And I think she says
because it will upset Sydney. I think the way she
leans back and the way she moves she says something
it because it will upset And I think it's Sydney,
(26:27):
but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Interesting, so if it was true, like because of upset Sydney.
The whole thing is about Glen Pale not wanting his
girlfriend to come to Australia to visit because of all
upset Sydney.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, but just to give Sydney to me the benefit
of the doubt, because we don't know what happened. Does
that mean because it'll make her look It'll like they'll.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Take away the PR thing.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
People will see it upset the PR plan that she's
set up. Will it make her look like the other
woman in a more intense way that Glen Powell's girlfriend
had to flight of Australia to break up their torret affair.
Like you just don't know how these things Again, I
think it's the first one. But I'm just giving her
the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I have a theory.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh yeah, tell me.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I think so Glen Pale did the school Tom Cruise. Yes,
I think this was part of his homework is to
break up with your current partner. Oh, I think this
has come from the Tom Cruise school.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
If you don't know, that's not even a joke. Globe
Powell went to the Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I should have said that that part was right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That part Tom Cruise school of film is that you
go to Tom Cruise's house. I would go. I mean
I probably wouldn't come out alive, but I would go.
And you watched all these movies that Tom Cruise has
selected for you.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, and I think part of that movie, like one
of the movies would have been about how to break
up with your partner. Yeah, but he reminds me a
lot of what happened with Vanessa Hudgens and Austin Butler.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Like obviously there was no like big pr thing, but
I think if you're dating a celebrity that like gets
pushed into stardom, it will always end. It will always end,
And we've always heard stories about it ending, and this
is just another level. This is another level of not
only did the relationship end, which is kind of what
we expected, which is why I wasn't talked about a
(28:09):
lot at the time. Yeah, yeah, but the level of
like your partner, not even like pushing down rumors that
they're cheating your partner, not even talking about you or
mentioning that you're still with them, your partner, just like
telling you this is what I have to do in
order to be famous. Essentially, that's pretty much what happened. Well,
that's what she says in this podcast interview. She says
that like all of a sudden, when Glenn Powell got
(28:31):
all these big movie roles, that he changed as a person.
And she says that he said to her, my career
comes first, and this is going to come first, and
this is what we have to do, and he said,
this is all I've wanted my whole life, was this
level of started. I'm not giving it up, and that
she had respect for that because she was like, at
least you're being honest. But it's so interesting. I actually
find the worst thing that whole podcast and this whole
(28:52):
story is when she says the moment and that's where
I fell out of love with him, Because it's so
interesting that she's not in fearing that she fell out
of love with him when the cheating room has started,
or even if she found out they cheated, anything like that,
she fell out of love with him in the moment
that he wouldn't stand up for her. Yeah, it's almost
like it's literally she said, she literally said all he
(29:12):
had to do was to say I'm not cheating. All
we had to do was.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Say I love my girlfriend, not even publicly, like in
that room. Because in the podcasting, and she says, like,
we were in the room with some of these people
sometimes these produces, these people, and they would say really
awful things to her. There's so much that she said
without saying like, I feel like there's so much more
to the story. But she she has gone very top
level with it. But she's saying like he wouldn't stand
up for me, and that would just be the most
like you would just get the biggest ick looking across
(29:38):
the room at this man, I don't want to sound
like I feel like you can sometimes just forgive cheating,
especially in this industry. Yeah, because what I always hear
from people like behind the scenes on movie sets and
people who work in pr and people who work in
you know, in all different countries and stuff, is that
like most of these people are sleeping with each other,
which I mean, I don't know, but I.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Mean they're all doing very intimate things on camera.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, and they're all away for months and like, and
that's not just the actors, that's all the people involved
in the film and stuff, and so like maybe that's
just how it works. So I feel like, if you're
really in that world, you can maybe forgive it, like
a one night stand or a fling with a coaster,
because you're in love. But I think what she couldn't
forgive was him sitting in a room with all these
people and having them attack her and him not standing
up for her, either publicly or behind the scenes, like
(30:21):
it's wild. But also this has all come up again
recently because remember how Sidney Sweeney went to Glen Power's
sister's wedding and was photographed together, and she also worked
on the movie. So it's like it could just be
that they were all friends and things, and so she
says on the podcast, it was kind of hard seeing
it all bubble up again, but she almost hoped that
they were together just to make it all worth it.
Oh that's which I guess a lot of people have said, if, like,
(30:44):
you know, their partner breaks up with them because there's
like rumors and stuff, they're like, at least if they
get together, it's like you're justified or at least like
what you thought was true, Like you weren't being crazy,
it was true, they were trying to get together. So
here's the question to end on. After all of that,
all of that stuff that's come out, do you think
that Sidney Sweeney and Glen Power hooked up.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I still don't think they hooked up. I don't think
Sydney Sweeney would have done it. I think she's too smart.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Maybe after that broke up, yes, maybe like around the
wedding time. But I actually think that whole thing was
still pr and he just didn't have the guts to
say I love my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, oh my god. So weak men, weak men.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
The one thing.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'll take a cheater over a week man any day.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I don't want to either, but okay, and we need
to end this Tom Cruise school. Nothing good comes out
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Can kind of say. As far as I know, Tom
Cruise is he fakes relationships for other reasons, I think,
but he doesn't fake relationships for movies, Like that's never
been his thing. He never does that. Pr Smith. He's
just like, come and see me jump off a cliff
and nearly die because I'm Tom Cruise. Like that's so
I think this side thing that that I actually think
that Tom Cruise we really disappointed in Glen Power because
(31:54):
Tom Cruise is like it's about the movie experience for
the people, like he doesn't do salicious throm might.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Lose his certificates graduating graduation certificate.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Can I say I at the time, I never thought
they slept together because the thing about going and you
do now maybe because I think about Glen Palin Sidney Sweeney,
both in that movie and on the Red Carpet, like
zero chemistry, so staged but actual zero sexual chemistry between them.
They looked like brother and sister. They do, you know?
They acted like brother and.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Sisters, and paparazzi photos came out of the sister's wedding
there listening around the table. It took me a while
to figure out these Sydney Soon, which his cousiner is
Sisterically it was so overtly.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
A PR stunt because I think the watch out is
when you see two people who play love interest in
a movie being a bit awkward and standing away from
each other, and like what because like they have slept together,
whereas these two were so full in on it. It
just felt so PR. But now I don't know, because
now I'm hearing from people who were like on the
set that they did hook up allegedly rumors. I have
(32:57):
no idea, but also gig herself says in this podcast,
just me covering myself. Gg herself says, when she's asked,
do you think they hooked up, She's like, I honestly
don't know. I've heard different stories. So people from that
set have told her different stories. Some people have told
her yes, they hooked up, some people have said no,
So she doesn't even know.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Do you think we'll ever know? I want her to
write a massive essay on this.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
So much stuff around, like them telling her not to
come to the set, and like what was happening and
which producers said no, what they've bleeped up. She also
says that she flew to Australia to look Glenn Powe
and the Iron break up with him.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
That's a long flight exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh my god, that would be so just imagine you
see her flight like the TV's off, nothing's on you,
fourteen hours from LA to Sydney. Just be like, look
that man's face and say, you're so weak. I love
how become so attached to this woman that I literally
have not read anything for anything. I'll die for this orbit.
(33:53):
We'll link the full podcast Yeah, there's actually so much
a dream and get to that. She said, there's so much.
She said, it's really interesting. We don't know what happened,
but you know what. Also, Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney
both fine, Like this isn't going to touch them. They're
both fine. They've got new releases coming out, Sidney Sweeney
at the top of the World.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
They're still super hot.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, they're super hot. Hot people get away with everything.
But I'm just saying, I think this is a whole
thing about like not giving any leeway to a week
man that's going to take away from this.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
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Bye bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
On from mom and MEA welcome to this spill your
daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm Amburnham and I'm Laura Brodney. Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Lovely to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Lovely. I feel it almost said like lovely to meet
you because I haven't seen you for like a week.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's been really long. I know it even went on
a date without me last night.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, And can I just tell you this is so
of our toxic codependent relationship. I actually did think about
you the whole time. Anyway, I won't spoil anything or
just say we can watch. Tomorrow is going to be lit.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's going to be lit.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But coming up on the show today a new podcast
interview that has absolutely blown my mind on the whole
Glen Pale Sydney Sweeney situation, plus Sabena Carpenter's new artworks
song One of Us has a really intense opinion and
for the first time, it's not me. I have thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's a hot take.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's a hot take. It's the hottest of takes that
will only stay here in the spill in the safety
of our friends. Don't tell anyone but first, this week
we've been gifted with the first trailer for an upcoming
movie on Netflix, A little rom Com. And what's exciting
about that is that it is written, produced, and created
by Lena Dunam. Just something has shifted with you. You're unhappy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Leave me.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's the worst thing everyone's ever done. Change your life.
Guilty London.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Seriously, you love London.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You saw a Spice World nine times in the Theater.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Of t.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Do this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I'm fix by the way you've got like an American accent. Right,
let me guess you like one of those love actually girls.
I came here to find myself?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Is he who he says? He used?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
This has all just been a series of redflex You
think you're so special. I get that it's hard for you,
but like it's hard for fucking everyone. Okay, I wanted
to be in bed with like a few grant from
the British. Did you say British. There's four of them. Yeah,
it's not called British jonesis.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I am so excited?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
How many times have you watched the trailer? I've shocked
him at three.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh, I think I'm like on seven.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Really, it's like a little movie to me. It's so good.
The trailer itself could be a short film. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I have a huge crash on Will Sharp.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, he's from White Lotus Season two, right, and he's
in this Well, he's playing a very pivotal role. So
this new movie stars Megan Statler. It's called too much.
And if I say that it's too excited, too much,
too much, which.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
The movie every Woman has been called.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
At least literally, that is what I think to myself
every day as I walk into this office. Might don't
be too much, don't be too much. And I always
break it as soon as I walk in the door.
But that's fine. I'll thank you. Well, maybe to you,
but to the rest of the world. Definitely so me
and we won't talk about that. So it stars Megham Stetler,
who is an amazing comedian. But I think a lot
of people have fallen in love with her recently on
the TV show Hats, one of the greatest TV shows
(03:07):
of all time.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She's just been a big award winner TV show.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it's won so many awards, critical acclaim. It just
finished its recent season on standing if you haven't watched it,
but it's been renewed for another season. I'm so excited.
So she's been a breakout star and that, and she's
the lead in this and she plays a woman called Jessica,
which is just the perfect, like slightly elder millennial name.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And is actually I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well yeah, because she's playing a woman in her mid thirties,
and I think at that time, every second girl was Jessica.
I was almost Jessica. I was going to be Jessica
until the day I was born and my mum opened
the newspaper and all the announcements were all Jessica.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So she flipped to Laura. But it's a good name
Shakespeare invented.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I feel like everyone has a friend named jess.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Everyone has a jess jesses so like I just love
that little detail of like that that's exactly what her
name would be. So she's a workaholic woman living in
New York. She's in her mid thirties. She's just had
this big relationship breakup that she thought was going to
be her forever relationship. Her partner has like moved on
with a new love interest when Saya like the one
(04:09):
love interest note no pardon to move on with, and
so she takes off and moves to London, where she
plans to live a life of solitude like a Bronte's stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's giving little women exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But when she's there, she meets Felix played by Will
Shark Your Lover, and they sort of have this kind
of big, beautiful romance, but also she's trying to find
herself and.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It feels like a huge situation ship. That's where I
feel like it's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
One hundred percent this love story, but it's also this
thing on modern dating, and the dialogue is so sharp
and funny, like I love when she arrives in London
and she meets Felix and he's like, oh, are you
one of those love Actually girls? As in like she's
grown up watching her Love Actually and so she's come
to London and then it comes upon the screen produced
by the people who made.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Love Actually so good. It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Interesting though, this is like a little autobiographical for Lena
Dunham in a way, because remember how she broke up
with Jacki Antonoff and there's a whole thing. He was
dating Lord and then he moved on really quickly with
Margaret Quality and they got married. And when Lena Dunham
met an Englishman called Louis Felber, who is the co
creator and producer on this show.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
She met the guy she married.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yes, so she made the show with her husband, and
so they met. So Lena and Louis met, and she
thought it was just gonna be a one night's stand
and they met and they just went like a whole
night walking around London, talked for hours and hours and hours.
This is in twenty twenty one, and a few months
later they had that big, beautiful London wedding, remember when
Taylor Swift was the bridesmaid, and they just fell madly
in love. And then they've made the show together, which
(05:39):
is kind of like an interpretation of their lost story.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And this is the first thing that because I obviously
know Lena Dunham still rides and she has a sub
stack and everything, but this the first like piece of
TV she's made since Girls.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh no, she's made other things like that is like
a girl called Bertie and like a few other kind
of things like this, But I guess this is kind
of her dipping her toe back into that signature form
of storytelling that she had with girls, which is that
kind of millennial. It also like it's a kind of
critique of like modern dating and also expectations of life
and friendship and all the things. And so Megan Stutler's
(06:12):
kind of as Jessica is playing like a very fictionalized
version of her, which I hope people will just kind
of get on board with this time.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah. I don't want it to be tainted with any
reviews about the comparison between the show and Lena Dunham's life,
because I feel like this is just going to be
such good standalone TV yeah, that everyone's going to enjoy.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, because when she uses her own life, which she's
done many times, not just with girls, but like with
tiny furniture and all these kind of things, she's just
using that as a jumping off point, and she's taking
these little bits of her life and our lives as
like women in their twenties, thirties and like forties now
and like blowing it up. And that was the big
critique with Girls that people still don't get is that
Hannah Harvath was meant to be like satire, like a caricature.
(06:55):
When she would say things like I'm the voice of
a generation and stuff like it's meant to be. It's
meant to be part of a joke.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, that every woman has like felt and it was like, actually,
like all four of them right, like they all felt
like extreme character chures of like every person you've been
growing up in your twenties.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And then yeah, and that's so deliberate. Now people are
just like, oh, it's so insufferable, and like that's just
her on screen. It's a joke, and like this is
also a very over the top character she is. I
love when she's walking through the notting Hill houses and
he's like, yeah, everyone who lives in this neighborhood is
like they're all broken inside, and she's like, oh, but
a yellow doors. So true, she's all of us. When
(07:30):
we go to London. It's so magical here doing a
huge pug for Netflix here because we're so we're so
easily bought with a good trailer. Too Much is coming
out on Netflix July ten. We'll talk more about it then.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Okay. So a few days ago, Sabrina Carpenter released a
music video called Manchild and the video is very similar
to her other music videos like Espresso and Please Please
Please is very big storytelling. It's obviously set in a
(08:06):
specific period of time. It's pretty old school. There's that
like seep filter over it. And in this video she
plays a sexy beautiful hitchhiker.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Such a departure for her. A sexy beautiful woman.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
A sexy beautiful woman who is a hitchhiker who catches
rides with really dumb men, so like men who wash
their face with gasoline, men who are like extremely bad
kisses and they don't realize. I want to read some
of the lyrics for this song, Like one of the
lyrics is why so sexy if so dumb? And how
(08:39):
survived the earth so long? If I'm not there, it
won't get done. I choose to blame.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Your mom, I mean, fair, fair friend.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So it's kind of everything that she's done, Like she
hasn't changed her brand as such, right, Like we've talked
about her before, how she's plays this role of like
the sexy bombshell pollypocket girl who kind of takes ownership
of her sexuality and says that women are better than men. Essentially,
that's pretty much what she's been saying, and she's had
that interesting strategy from kind of moving out of that
(09:11):
Disney persona that I feel like a lot of other
Disney stars weren't able to do as well, and she's
kind of pushed into this limelight. And her whole thing
is that she sexualizes herself, but it's for women, it's
not essentially for men. And she also does all of
this in I want to say the name of female empowerment.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think so. And again, this is all we've said
from the moment she got really popular. Is that the
dancing around stage and the little baby doll dresses, all
the sequin body suits, the big hair, the very over
the top, almost like burlesque baby girl style makeup and everything,
and like that really old school pop star persona that
she has. It should feel regressive. It should feel like
(09:51):
we've done this so many times, haven't we moved past this?
But it's almost like we've come back around so far
the other way that what was regressive now feels like
really fresh and fun, And I'm like, yeah, I just
want to see a girl acting like a sexy baby
up on the stage, dancing around Laingderie singing too cute
little lyrics that I can bop along to. It's all
I want.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And the stage stuff like I feel like, oh my god,
what am I watching? But it's exactly what you said.
It's not like she comes out in a towel. There's
one song Juno that she does, like a different sex
position every night.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, you know. She was doing the Short and Sweet too,
And like a lot of mums will take their younger
kids because they like love espresso without like knowing what
almost stuffs about, which is all of us listening to
pop music when we're kids, Like it's only when you
get older you're like, oh, I sung this when I
was five, but it's about a sex position, but I
didn't know, so it was fine. And all these mums
and dads being so horrified that she was simulating sex
(10:40):
on stage, and I was like, that's her brand. Yeah,
that's she just really like a little dolls.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It's even like articles saying if you're a parent, here's
what to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Some moments during the show where mums would like lean
over and cover their kids' faces. Yeah, oh my god, yes,
just let them see it. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think all of this to say is that up
until like now, she's always been in control of the narrative,
and I think that has changed really because early this
morning she announced that she's releasing a new album in August,
and I feel like she's loosened the reins a bit.
So the album is called Man's Best Friend, and she's
posted it alongside the artwork, which is her on her
(11:18):
hands and knees in front of a man standing over her,
gripping a handful of her hair. And I don't want
to sound like a prude, but it deeply upset me.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Why did it?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, So he's leaning over her, and he's gripping her
hair in a like a very intense way, right, like
a fistful.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, Like a fist full of ham like kind of
pulling it up.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah. So something that is like bording that line between
like consensual sex play and something a bit more forceful.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And so you saw that, and why was it upsetting?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I saw that, and I thought, like, I'm a huge
Sabrina Carpenter fan, and I think what she does really
well is that she juxtaposes her songs from what she's
putting out there in her looks. And I think that
works because like you're obviously being sexy. It's for the
male gaze essentially, but then the songs do something different
where the songs are for women. The songs are like,
(12:05):
don't take shit from men, especially shitty men.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
All my heart, my makeup so nice.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
The thing when you hear that, you're like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, like you have the power. Even the sex position
she does on stage, it's like the women having the
power in that situation, right, And this feels like it's
done the complete opposite, and it's it's something that I
feel like works for an older audience where you can
see that juxtaposition. But we have to keep in mind
that a lot of her fans are young girls, like
(12:33):
young children, and I think just seeing an album artwork
of a woman comparing herself to a dog man's best friend,
being on her hands and knees in front of a man,
and like it's such a submissive like kind of like
making yourself really small and just like a really gross way. Yeah,
not everyone will be able to see that stark difference
(12:55):
between that and then the song she released, Manchild, and
I think that is quite harmful for the young girls
who follow her.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh isn't that interesting? Because I took a completely dig
kind of takeaway from it when I saw it, I
just was like, I mean, obviously, I do understand what
you're saying, like there's some kind of more of a
serious undertone there, but I think she's leaned so far
into this kind of like bubblegum pop persona that something
like that just feels like the natural progression of where
her marketing needs to go. And I think she's probably
(13:23):
looking around because she's like almost the definition of a
manufactured pop star without being like someone who was just
plucked and kind of given a completely new name in makeover,
Like she's been around for a while, but everything about
her is very manufactured, and I think that she's leaning
into almost that kind of shock, trying to get publicy
through that way, because if you look round at her,
like competition, it's like Taylor Swift, who's also on stage
(13:46):
in a sparkly bodysuit, but it is still very much
appealing to very young girls and is very much like
very earnest and female empowerment and this is what a
relationship is. And I'm here like I'm a songwriter kind
of thing. I'd say that with all respect, obviously, I'm
like a basic bitch. I love taylor'ste I love Sabrina Carpenter,
but also Gracie Abrams, who's like standing on stage very
pared back with a guitar, singing these beautiful lyrics and
(14:08):
almost going a bit folksy sometimes. And then you've got like,
you know, the other women who are coming up, who
are also leading more away from that old school pop
star thing. So she's gone the other way, which is
quite smart in terms of being like, I'm going to
go back and do it like what Brittany did, what
Christina did, all those kind of like things, and be
very like aggressively sexual in a way that feels like
it's pushing the envelope. And because she's been very clear
(14:30):
also in the fact that she's like, I put my
tour together, I write my songs, I do my dances,
so I'm choosing this. So when I saw it, I
was like, oh, that's fine, because she's choosing it, it's
like consensual.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It is consensual one hundred percent, and I think it
does work for us. But similar to Gracie Abrams and
Taylor Swift, like you said, if you're still taking money
from young girls attending your concert. I think you do
have a level of responsibility.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean, but do you though like she's not
their parent, She's not there to raise them. No, but
she that's up to their parents of who goes to
the concert and who listens to their music and what
they take away from it. And isn't that the whole
excitement of like being a teenager when you go to
all concerty hear a song and you're like, what is this?
Like this is one hundred different.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And I do think like even the sex positions, I
was so fine with ye, Like, but I think it's
the comparing yourself to a dog and then putting that
online and then with all the young girls to follow
us saying that this is cool, this is okay, this
is female empowerment. It is not female empowerment.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, that's the thing about wrapping anything to do with
pop music and like money making essentially into female empowerment.
It's like, at the end of the day, to bring
it back to our friend Emrata and those kind of
women from like our first segment, it's like they'll like
be on magazine covers posing naked and all these things,
and like it's female empowerment. And it's like, no, you're
making money and that's totally fine. We support your right
to make money any way you want. But this is
(15:50):
not lifting anyone else up and that's okay. Once you
put that kind of gaze over it, that's when it
becomes problematic. So I feel like with Sabrina Carpenter, it
could just be I think she needs to drop the
women empowerment situation where she's actually, to be fair, never
really leaned into that much. Like I've never seen her
be on stage being like I'm making a stand for women.
She's just like, stand up for your off in a relationship,
(16:11):
tell that loser guy to get away from you. Like,
that's just common sense. It's not empowerment. So I think, yeah,
I think once you wrap it up in empowerment, that's
a bit of a red flag. But if she's like,
I'm doing this to markt myself and make money, yeah,
like that's fine.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Just pouring one out for all this. Parents, you have
to have a conversation with their kid who shows them
the photo.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Emily will talk to your daughter and say hey, hey,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Do it leads on music video.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh your children. I thought you said I'll do a
PSA into the camera. It's like, if your children ask questions,
show them this and Emily will say, I don't need
to be a dog.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I will say, if you don't want to be a dog,
you don't have to. Yeah, women aren't dogs.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Women are dogs unless that's your thing. And in that case,
no judgment of people's sex kinks. But make it consensual.
They'll be like, don't take young kids money and be like,
what's a sex kink?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Mom?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This is why you don't take parenting advice from Ellie. Okay.
Onto the interview, we've been wing. I actually thought we
were never going to get this because two long years
have passed. Has it been two years? It has been
two years months since the movie Anyone but You burst
onto our screens. But there was such a big lead
up for this rom com that was shot in Sydney
(17:24):
outside on your office. Actually it really took me out
of the movie because so often it's the characters from
Anyone but You, which is the wrong comm starr in
Glen Powell and Sidney Sweeney. That was filmed in Australia
in Sydney, and they were always filming on those streets.
I walk home on I was just like, oh wow.
But the funny thing was that they had to blank
out all of the faces of the crowds in the
background because obviously no one had any chill, and people
(17:45):
would just like.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Do you recognize yourself?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it's me in the background, Glenn Glen. So that
movie came out in twenty twenty three, and the huge
build up to it was that Sidney Sweeney and Glen
Powell both in very long term loving relationships. Glen Powell
had been with his girlfriend gig Paris for over three years.
Sidney Sweeney had been with her fiance Jonathan Devino, oh
many many years, and.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They got a neng age.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
They produced the movie together. They made the movie together essentially.
So before the movie comes out, Sydney and Glenn were
posting all of these photos and videos and things from
filming in Sydney and making this movie together. And there
were so many videos that showed them getting them really
touchy feely, remember them on the like the red double
decker tour bus, yes, or like him doing like the
(18:30):
weightlifting squats.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Over Oh my god, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah really, And so all of that stuff came out
and kind of like into the promo press of the movie.
We're also on red carpets. They were like hugging and
like half kissing, like whispering to each other and always
saying like we're just friends, but the chemistry is there,
and all these things like clearly promo for the movie,
except it wasn't. And in the midst of all that,
Gig broke up with gun Power yea, And we've never
(18:56):
really heard her full side of it. She did make
a comment at the time saying that what had happened
was really hurtful, but she didn't say anything else. But
now she has gone on the podcast too Much, And
when I went in to listen to the podcast, I thought, Oh,
this is gonna be one of those podcasts where she didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Realize what talking about too much in two different ways.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh yeah, too much of the podcast, I don't, so
yeah too much the TV show too much to the podcast,
we're both too much. It is honestly the biggest phrase
I should read too much. Well, this podcast will just
be too much, which sometimes it is. So when I
went to listen to her interview on too Much, I
thought it was going to be more of a like
an overarching career chat about, you know, her life and everything,
(19:34):
because she's a model, she's also got a clothing line,
she's a yoga teacher, She's got a lot going on.
But the whole thing was about the Glen Powell Sydney
Sweeney situation in a way that I've never heard before.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
This interview was like so insane to me. Firstly because
I didn't realize that we talked about the Sydney Sweeney
and Glenn Powell like PR thing for a really really
long time, especially as things progress and they broke up
with their partners. But I didn't realize how badly it
affected her relationship.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yes, I was just okay, here's what I thought happened,
of which I'm now questioning. I thought that they had
been together for a while, but they'd already had like
some issues in their relationship, as you know, this is
a normal thing, And that it was so clear to
everyone that the Glenn and Sydney situation was PR because
it was so over the top and so overt, and
his public behavior had just been one factor in his
(20:30):
breakup with GG, not the driving force. So what she
talks about in this podcast interview is that they had
been together for over three years they lived together. Their
families were very intertwined, and a lot of their relationship
had taken place during COVID Lockdown. He was obviously a
celebrity before Top Gone and Anyone but You, but mostly
TV like smaller movie roles, that Netflix movie like, so
(20:53):
he's not getting chased down the street by paparazzi. And
so much of their life together was in Quarantine and COVID.
So they're just at the house together, like she was like,
I would be sewing and making things, you know, and
he would just be riding and we were just together
in this little bubble.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
All relationships that were formed during COVID just moved so fast.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yes, yeah, that's what she said. She was like, you're
either broke up or you're all exactly like we were
all in So then you have that context for their relationship.
And then he goes to Australia to fill anyone but you.
They're still very in love. She's like, it was hard
to see him sort of be such a blow up
and be this megastar, but I was so in love
with him, and we told each other we would be
together forever. And then she said she starts to see
(21:33):
all of the videos and stories pop up about him
and Sydney, and she calls him and says like, hey,
what's going on, And that is the first time that
he's quite dismissive of her and her feelings. This is
a red flag. I love how you acting like you
haven't heard this is like leaning so bored on her.
I've listened to it. What's so interesting is that she
(21:56):
talked about her decision to go to Australia and kind
of all the factors in that, and to me, this
was kind of like hearing this part of her interview
was like one of the biggest red flags.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And we like try to kind of keep it on
good terms. But then as soon as I loved more
and more things started coming out, Like I just was
so frustrated, how disrespectful it all was, like, at least
have your publicist make a statement or something on my
behalf call me and say, okay, how should we address this?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
There were weeks I went by I didn't hear a
single thing. It's crazy how transactional that industry is. And
that's why I was like, I need to get the
fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I am ready to throw hands for this woman.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Me too, like I crossed so well visited, she speaks
so eloquently. Obviously everyone said of the story would be different,
but like my.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Heart broke when I heard this interview, This Glenn Pale man,
I don't know what is but what I found really
interesting is that everything she's saying is true. Right, Like
he did not mention her at all during his press tour,
whereas Sidney Sweeney did mention her partner because as you said,
he was a produced on the show.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
He was on every red carpet, he were in on
the joke and he was part of the and he's
making money off Yeah, he's making.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Money off it. There was a part where like he
was in on the joke on an SNL skid where
she called him out as like her fiance, and she
even like said he's backstage my beautiful fiance. And Glenn
pal was just silent about.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Jig exactly the only reason people knew that she existed
because they had taken photos and like talked about their
relationship previously. But as soon as he got into filming
this movie, it was like radio silence. So from Gig's perspective,
he went to Australia, he's filming this stuff blows up.
Her first kind of point of contact with him was like, hey,
I know nothing's going on, and I know thing's fine,
but just be aware that everything you're doing right now
(23:43):
when you post these photos is on the world stage
in a huge way. And she said he took that
very badly. And then she said she called him and
was trying to get a work visa because she wanted
to come over and be in Australia for the majority
of filming the movie, because filming a movie takes months
and months and months, but she wanted to be able
to work here because one she said, she's like, I
don't stop my life from a man, great advice to everyone. Also,
(24:04):
she's like, I pay my own bills and so I
can't come over and just hang out for months. So
she took a while to get to Australia because she
was getting your work visa. And as she was sorting
all of that out, she called Glenn and said it's
all coming together. I'm coming and he said to her,
I don't think you should come because of the producers.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
There was one specific reason why I flew to Australia
to end things.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I got a phone call from him right when I
was about to go to Australia to work. I had
my visa that took me much longer than I anticipated. Meanwhile,
all this show was coming out on the internet and
I had jobs lined up, and he called and said,
the producers and I have discussed that I think it's
best that you don't come to visit to.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
K Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And that's when I hung up and I was like,
this mother fucker is done to me.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
The way.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I would have I would have swam, Yeah, fucking swam there.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
If it's true for your partner to hear that coming
out of someone else's mouth and not just put the
kebash on it right then and there and say I'm
not saying that to my girlfriend, that's one layer of it.
And then the fact that there was the audacity to
say it to you.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
You're a saint for not I think that's what I
just also thought. Out of love, I was like, where
the fuck are your balls?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Wait? What does she say?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And that beak are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Beat? In the podcast? As well as like it's beatn
on all of the TikTok videos that we've been watching
and in the podcast. So she calls him right and says,
I'm coming, and when he says, the producers don't think
it's a good idea. The producers, I mean there's lots
of producers, but the two main producers are Sidney Sweeney
and Jonathan Devino. Oh, because they're the producers of the movie,
which who put that together? Yeah, yeah, which is a
(25:54):
whole extra layer of the movie. Like they're the ones
who are making the movie. So they're the ones who've
said to Glenn Powe, your don't I don't think your
girlfriend should come near the set.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Has there been any like theories on what was said
during that beef?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, it's so funny because if you look at all
the comments on TikTok where that video with the beep
is playing, everyone's like, get those lip readers and here
are because they beat it, but they don't take the
camera away. I have watched that video a few times now,
you think you got it? And I think she says
because it will upset Sydney. I think the way she
leans back and the way she moves she says something
it because it will upset And I think it's Sydney,
(26:27):
but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Interesting, so if it was true, like because of upset Sydney.
The whole thing is about Glen Pale not wanting his
girlfriend to come to Australia to visit because of all
upset Sydney.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, but just to give Sydney to me the benefit
of the doubt, because we don't know what happened. Does
that mean because it'll make her look It'll like they'll.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Take away the PR thing.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
People will see it upset the PR plan that she's
set up. Will it make her look like the other
woman in a more intense way that Glen Powell's girlfriend
had to flight of Australia to break up their torret affair.
Like you just don't know how these things Again, I
think it's the first one. But I'm just giving her
the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I have a theory.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh yeah, tell me.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I think so Glen Pale did the school Tom Cruise. Yes,
I think this was part of his homework is to
break up with your current partner. Oh, I think this
has come from the Tom Cruise school.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
If you don't know, that's not even a joke. Globe
Powell went to the Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I should have said that that part was right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That part Tom Cruise school of film is that you
go to Tom Cruise's house. I would go. I mean
I probably wouldn't come out alive, but I would go.
And you watched all these movies that Tom Cruise has
selected for you.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, and I think part of that movie, like one
of the movies would have been about how to break
up with your partner. Yeah, but he reminds me a
lot of what happened with Vanessa Hudgens and Austin Butler.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Like obviously there was no like big pr thing, but
I think if you're dating a celebrity that like gets
pushed into stardom, it will always end. It will always end,
And we've always heard stories about it ending, and this
is just another level. This is another level of not
only did the relationship end, which is kind of what
we expected, which is why I wasn't talked about a
(28:09):
lot at the time. Yeah, yeah, but the level of
like your partner, not even like pushing down rumors that
they're cheating your partner, not even talking about you or
mentioning that you're still with them, your partner, just like
telling you this is what I have to do in
order to be famous. Essentially, that's pretty much what happened. Well,
that's what she says in this podcast interview. She says
that like all of a sudden, when Glenn Powell got
(28:31):
all these big movie roles, that he changed as a person.
And she says that he said to her, my career
comes first, and this is going to come first, and
this is what we have to do, and he said,
this is all I've wanted my whole life, was this
level of started. I'm not giving it up, and that
she had respect for that because she was like, at
least you're being honest. But it's so interesting. I actually
find the worst thing that whole podcast and this whole
(28:52):
story is when she says the moment and that's where
I fell out of love with him, Because it's so
interesting that she's not in fearing that she fell out
of love with him when the cheating room has started,
or even if she found out they cheated, anything like that,
she fell out of love with him in the moment
that he wouldn't stand up for her. Yeah, it's almost
like it's literally she said, she literally said all he
(29:12):
had to do was to say I'm not cheating. All
we had to do was.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Say I love my girlfriend, not even publicly, like in
that room. Because in the podcasting, and she says, like,
we were in the room with some of these people
sometimes these produces, these people, and they would say really
awful things to her. There's so much that she said
without saying like, I feel like there's so much more
to the story. But she she has gone very top
level with it. But she's saying like he wouldn't stand
up for me, and that would just be the most
like you would just get the biggest ick looking across
(29:38):
the room at this man, I don't want to sound
like I feel like you can sometimes just forgive cheating,
especially in this industry. Yeah, because what I always hear
from people like behind the scenes on movie sets and
people who work in pr and people who work in
you know, in all different countries and stuff, is that
like most of these people are sleeping with each other,
which I mean, I don't know, but I.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Mean they're all doing very intimate things on camera.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, and they're all away for months and like, and
that's not just the actors, that's all the people involved
in the film and stuff, and so like maybe that's
just how it works. So I feel like, if you're
really in that world, you can maybe forgive it, like
a one night stand or a fling with a coaster,
because you're in love. But I think what she couldn't
forgive was him sitting in a room with all these
people and having them attack her and him not standing
up for her, either publicly or behind the scenes, like
(30:21):
it's wild. But also this has all come up again
recently because remember how Sidney Sweeney went to Glen Power's
sister's wedding and was photographed together, and she also worked
on the movie. So it's like it could just be
that they were all friends and things, and so she
says on the podcast, it was kind of hard seeing
it all bubble up again, but she almost hoped that
they were together just to make it all worth it.
Oh that's which I guess a lot of people have said, if, like,
(30:44):
you know, their partner breaks up with them because there's
like rumors and stuff, they're like, at least if they
get together, it's like you're justified or at least like
what you thought was true, Like you weren't being crazy,
it was true, they were trying to get together. So
here's the question to end on. After all of that,
all of that stuff that's come out, do you think
that Sidney Sweeney and Glen Power hooked up.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I still don't think they hooked up. I don't think
Sydney Sweeney would have done it. I think she's too smart.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Maybe after that broke up, yes, maybe like around the
wedding time. But I actually think that whole thing was
still pr and he just didn't have the guts to
say I love my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, oh my god. So weak men, weak men.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
The one thing.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'll take a cheater over a week man any day.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I don't want to either, but okay, and we need
to end this Tom Cruise school. Nothing good comes out
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Can kind of say. As far as I know, Tom
Cruise is he fakes relationships for other reasons, I think,
but he doesn't fake relationships for movies, Like that's never
been his thing. He never does that. Pr Smith. He's
just like, come and see me jump off a cliff
and nearly die because I'm Tom Cruise. Like that's so
I think this side thing that that I actually think
that Tom Cruise we really disappointed in Glen Power because
(31:54):
Tom Cruise is like it's about the movie experience for
the people, like he doesn't do salicious throm might.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Lose his certificates graduating graduation certificate.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Can I say I at the time, I never thought
they slept together because the thing about going and you
do now maybe because I think about Glen Palin Sidney Sweeney,
both in that movie and on the Red Carpet, like
zero chemistry, so staged but actual zero sexual chemistry between them.
They looked like brother and sister. They do, you know?
They acted like brother and.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Sisters, and paparazzi photos came out of the sister's wedding
there listening around the table. It took me a while
to figure out these Sydney Soon, which his cousiner is
Sisterically it was so overtly.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
A PR stunt because I think the watch out is
when you see two people who play love interest in
a movie being a bit awkward and standing away from
each other, and like what because like they have slept together,
whereas these two were so full in on it. It
just felt so PR. But now I don't know, because
now I'm hearing from people who were like on the
set that they did hook up allegedly rumors. I have
(32:57):
no idea, but also gig herself says in this podcast,
just me covering myself. Gg herself says, when she's asked,
do you think they hooked up, She's like, I honestly
don't know. I've heard different stories. So people from that
set have told her different stories. Some people have told
her yes, they hooked up, some people have said no,
So she doesn't even know.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Do you think we'll ever know? I want her to
write a massive essay on this.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
So much stuff around, like them telling her not to
come to the set, and like what was happening and
which producers said no, what they've bleeped up. She also
says that she flew to Australia to look Glenn Powe
and the Iron break up with him.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
That's a long flight exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh my god, that would be so just imagine you
see her flight like the TV's off, nothing's on you,
fourteen hours from LA to Sydney. Just be like, look
that man's face and say, you're so weak. I love
how become so attached to this woman that I literally
have not read anything for anything. I'll die for this orbit.
(33:53):
We'll link the full podcast Yeah, there's actually so much
a dream and get to that. She said, there's so much.
She said, it's really interesting. We don't know what happened,
but you know what. Also, Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney
both fine, Like this isn't going to touch them. They're
both fine. They've got new releases coming out, Sidney Sweeney
at the top of the World.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
They're still super hot.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, they're super hot. Hot people get away with everything.
But I'm just saying, I think this is a whole
thing about like not giving any leeway to a week
man that's going to take away from this.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I love that. Thank you so much for listening to
The Spill today. Do not forget to follow us on
TikTok at The Spill podcast. The Spill is produced by
Militia Swaren, with sound production by Scott Stronik. Mom of
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Visit Ventin Andfentin dot com dot au and we'll be
back in your podcast feed tomorrow for a weekend watch.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Bye bye.
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