December 15, 2025 • 31 mins
After a ten-year hiatus, Beyonce is finally returning to the Met Gala - but the timing is suspicious. We’re digging into the theory that she’s been brought in to "save" the event from its recent tech-billionaire rebrand and what her return means for the fashion hierarchy.
Plus the woman who inspired Lily Allen’s hit song "West End Girl" has broken her silence, accusing the singer of spinning a false narrative that’s led to serious harassment. We break down the fallout from Lily's new music and why the internet is letting the famous husband at the centre of the scandal off the hook.
And Amy Schumer has officially confirmed she’s divorcing Chris Fischer. After months of tabloid speculation about her weight loss and their marriage, here’s why her chaotic, joke-filled confirmation was actually a masterclass in controlling the narrative.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Cancenula Gitch and
coming up on the show today, Lily Allen has gone
viral yet again for another moment from her new album
West End Girl. But now the woman involved in her
hit song is begging her to stop. We're going to
get into all that. Plus, Amy Schumer has announced that
(00:40):
she is officially divorcing her husband. We're going to unpack
her divorce announcement in their relationship because there's a lot
of different things that play here, and she's very sadly
been on divorce watch for a while from a lot
of tabloids, which we're going to get into that. It's
a bit of a messy situation. But first, something a
little bit more glamorous, something.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
A little bit more fun. Now we have this news.
This news was announced last week. We have our co
chairs for the Met Gala, and Beyonce is at the
top of the list. Cole Kidman Venus Williams are also
going to be co chairs at next years Met Gala,
which always happens on the first Monday in May. But
(01:15):
people are really excited about Beyonce being on the board
because she actually hasn't been to the met Gala since
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, that was an interesting announcement because there's always like
just before the announcement has made a bit of a
flurry around which celebrities and taste makers would be involved.
So we know that the theme for this year's event is
the twenty twenty six exhibition theme costume Art, and when
it was announced that Beyonce would be one of the chairs.
So the chairs to the event, like on paper, they're
meant to help run the events. They're meant to help
(01:44):
with coming up with styling choices, they're meant to help
with the guest list. They're meant to sort of like
hone the creative force of the evening. And obviously they're
standing on the carpet next to Anna Wintur on the
night greeting guests and talking to them and saying hello.
I actually kind of think that behind the scenes they're
probably not that involved. Like I don't think Anna Wintour's
saying to anyone, especially some of the random men that
(02:06):
have sometimes been involved as co chairs. I don't think
she's saying to them, which table setting do you like?
I feel like it's more of an honorary position, but
on the night you're very public facing.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, I think it's more it's almost like the face
of the particular yeah theme. You know, you become a
really pivotal part of that theme. And there may be
some discussions around like where they're sitting, or maybe they
say they say something, but they're absolutely not doing the
party planning.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, exactly, and then they get to do some special stuff.
So if you're like the Year's and day A hosters,
she walks through a car, but at the start to
open it, went backstage, changed dresses, came back around with
her other dress, and kind of closed the car. But
so do little things like that. So yeah, I guess
everyone's looking to Beyonce because it has been over a
decade since she's been to the Met Gala. Everyone's kind
of looking to what kind of spectacle she'll do or
(02:52):
how she'll make it her moment. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Her arrivals at the Met Gala have always famously been
very very late. She was always like the last person
to arrive, and so since twenty sixteen, everybody's kind of
been like, oh my god, is she coming? Is she
coming in? She come in, because in previous years they've
been like packing the carpet up and she'd walk. So
she's famously always late, so people are really excited about this.
The last time we saw her was in the jivonch
(03:16):
latex gown, which she was for Manus Ex Machina back
in twenty sixteen, which was an incredible dress with those
like big puffy like latex shoulders. But the one that
I remember that the most is the year before, which
was China through the Looking Glass, and she wore that
really sparkly a sort of see through, which is not
It was not dissimilar to what she wore the year after.
(03:38):
The reason I loved this year was because again she
was running super late and she got into the lift
and she was with her hair stylist, Neil Farner, and
he steal does her hair to this day. And she
said in the lift, I don't like my chignon anymore?
Can you change it? And he did that really crazy
high pony.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
In really high pony to the site. I think of
that story every time I see her iconic stop Let's
see where she's going up the Megala steps and she
stops with like one like on one step, the other
leg gest steps down to kind of really show off
the dress and that high ponytail that's so like like
a like a kid going to primary school and they've
done their own hair in the car.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's it's a bit eighty. But so she got but yeah,
she that is like the most iconic story of you know,
those last minute things.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, it's always interesting how she and Rihanna are always
the two that are vying for the latest arrival at
these events, and like that's kind of a thing of
like the most powerful person arrives the latest, which I mean,
I don't love all those reports they're fighting and all
those things that have happened over the year because it's
that long kind of history between them, But I'm like,
I do love that they're both just like I will
be the latest.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I always think about the Metgala for me the reason
it's so fun and I feel like it hasn't really
hit the same in the last couple of years. But
do you remember that Lady Gaga look where she did
basically that was the whole performance piece.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh yeah, yeah for the thing cam it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Was so freaking incredible. She did like six different outfits
and it was just amazing, Like that's what I want
to see, and I feel like Beyonce can that. Yeah
gee yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Verstaid like when they announced the chairs, like Beyonce's name
on it did give me a little bit of pause,
and I think that was the same for a lot
of people because it kind of rejigged the tone of
the Met Gala for twenty twenty six a little bit. Obviously,
all the names on there impressive, like Nicole Kimmen's kind
of a mainstay, Venus Williams again like a hugely famous person,
a tastemaker as well as being an athlete. The Beyonce
(05:29):
of it all was interesting, not only because she hasn't
attended for over a decade, which is kind of a
huge statement, because usually who gets an invite to the
Met Gallery is such a kind of a big power move,
and which designer that they if they're able to get
the better designer of other people, their arrival time, all
of these things kind of signify their power and the
fact that she's opted out for over ten years at
(05:49):
the same time that she's one of the most powerful
people in the entertainment industry is super interesting. And also
because she has this habit of like she'll go into
hiding for so long and then she'll come out and
like have a moment, whether it's like a red carpet moment,
or she'll drop a surprise album, or like when she
went on tour, she'll give an iconic Grammy speech, but
then she'll go back into hiding for such a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
She's such an enigma, Like I feel like nobody really
knows what Beyonce is like because she's just created this
aura around her, and it's this aura of exclusivity and
h and everything is curated, and you know, she's so
iconic that like everybody just wants to know what she's
(06:32):
doing next. But you know, even when they showed up
to that race, the f one thing like just iconic
looks just giving us iconic.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, And it was an interesting year for her to
be the Met Gala chair because obviously that sort of
stuff is in talks for a long time, but they
would be able to sort of pull out before the
announcements made because there was this idea that the Met
Gala doesn't attract the same level of star anymore. This
idea that it's become more about like TikTokers or people
who can buy their way in and the Met Gala,
(07:00):
like the vibe around it really took a hit this
year because it was announced that Amazon founder Jeff Bezos
and his wife Lauren Sanchez Bezos were going to be
the main sponsors for the twenty twenty six Metgala, and
that really put a divide into the fashion entertainment world.
A lot of people were criticizing it, saying that like
the Metgala and like Anna Wintour, now they're a sellout
(07:21):
and anyone can buy their way in and it's moved
away from like tastemakers into just like kind of currency.
Like so there was this kind of bad taste to
it going in and Beyonce is almost like the antidote
to bad taste. So I think it's interesting that they've her.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It's really interesting to me how in the last couple
of years, and I'm wondering if Lauren Sanchez has a
little bit more to do with this. We're seeing Jeff
and Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez really try and thrust
themselves upon this celebrity Hollywood click, you know, like we
saw it the most with their wedding for sure, but
(07:57):
then even like Chris Jenner's birthday party, like they are
popping themselves into these really important fashion and Hollywood and
celebrity events, and it's just really interesting thing to me
in terms of is this like a tactical.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Thing, Yeah, exactly. Well the met goal I just got
a lot more interesting for next year. It's going to
be on the first Monday in May twenty twenty six. Yeah,
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
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the way, if you need more details or even if
you just need to vent or anything. Love and Light.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Madeline Lily Allen was the musical guest on SNL this
past week, and it was the first time that she'd
ever performed Madeline from her album earlier on in the year,
West End Girl, and everybody was loving her. She's performing,
She's wearing gorgeous, gorgeous like kind of nineteen sixties inspired
mini dress. She's got the big buffon at the back,
(08:57):
perfectly quaffed big lashes, and out of the back of
the performance we see a nice little sort of chiffon
curtain and Madeleine comes out well. This iteration of Madeleine
and it was our very own Dakota Johnson not our
very own, and Dakota Johnson comes out from behind the
curtain and plays Madeleine and everyone's like, I'm losing their
(09:20):
minds over this. It was such a good little moment
on SNL. So this is obviously the first time that
Lily has ever performed this song live, and people were
kind of saying, oh, well, maybe every single time she
performs that she can bring out a new Madaline, which
I thought was a great idea. So obviously we know
that this whole album has been based on her separation
(09:40):
from David Harbor, and earlier on after the album was released,
Natalie Tippett, who was the mistress, came out and basically
identified herself as Madeleine because Lily and Halan hadn't said
that yet. On Sunday, after this performance, she put out
a statement on her Instagram stories talking about how she
(10:01):
was getting really sick of this false narrative that Lily
Allen has been talking about, although she hasn't talked about
it publicly yet. So she goes on to write, I
was hoping to not speak on this, but I'm tired
of this false narrative being pushed and circulated. This was
such a marginal part of my life, but it's now
turned into a major disruption. I did not have a
three year affair with anyone. I'm unsure why this person
(10:22):
wants so badly to pit people against me or create
this narrative that we both know is false based on
the actual messages that I have saved between us. So
she seems to hear be targeting Lily directly.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's interesting. There's a few different things a play here.
One of them is that the reception to West End
Girl is something that I do believe like Lily and
her team didn't really preempt at becoming this huge cultural
moment because there wasn't a huge lead up to it.
I mean, fans knew the album was coming, and they
knew the context of it. But Lily Allen herself has
said like she hasn't like since her first album and
(10:58):
like kind of the height of her initial musical fame,
hasn't had a huge release like this, and she wasn't
expecting it to. She knew that her fandom would listen
and like her core people would be in it, but
she wasn't expecting it to chart so hugely. And it's
kind of interesting as we're seeing her do this press
run now because when the album came out, like that
would have been the time for her to be on
magazine covers and talk shows, and she had a bit
(11:18):
of press, but not the magnitude she has now, which
kind of makes me think that now TV shows are
like scrambling to book her and Mags getting her on
the cover because no one expected it to be this
huge moment. And she was recently saying that west End
Girl is like in talks to be developed into like
a stage musical, and she's probably gonna sweep a lot
of the award shows next year. And when you kind
(11:39):
of look about Natalie Tippet being linked to being Madeline,
it kind of in a way seems like this crazy
power and balance. But I don't think anyone expected that
song in particular to blow up the way it did.
But the interesting thing is is that Natalie Tippet, and
I'm not calling her out for this because I kind
of imagine being that situation. As you were saying before,
she kind of outed herself in a strange way. That also,
(12:01):
I have so many questions about that interview, because I'm
still not even sure that she knew what she was
doing when she was talking to a tabloid news outlet.
It almost feels like, reading between the lines that they
kind of like caught her in a moment where she
was seeing this song blow up, and she obviously knew
that she was involved in it, but no one else did.
So she could have stayed quiet, because I do believe
(12:22):
that Lily Allen would never have named her, and David
Harbor wouldn't have named her, like he's trying to stay
so far out of this. But I wonder if the outlet,
and we don't know, but I do wonder if the
outlet sort of said, like we know who you are,
or that people are about to find out, and so
she kind of really quickly gave them her side of
the story to defend herself, and then the whole situation
blew up and she effectively outed herself as Madeline when
(12:44):
she could have stayed silent.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I think that is a massive possibility, particularly because let's
remember she's a costume designer. She is not in the industry.
She doesn't have media training, she doesn't have PR training
that is really really important in when you're talking about
like scandals or any celebrity, anybody in the entertainment industry
will have gone through some level of media training on
how to answer questions, even like politicians, like everybody goes
(13:09):
through it. She would not have had that, so she
would have definitely been caught off guard.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And she doesn't have a team around her. Oh yeah,
I mean yeah, I know it's easy to say in
hindsight now, like why did you say anything? And why
did you got to get yourself involved? But I also
I kind of imagine the panic of being like a
single mom who's out of the spotlight, and then waking
up one day and finding out that this huge pop
star has released an album that everyone is talking about
and there's a song about you, and just the panic
(13:34):
of like and knowing you'd exchange text messages so you
have a relationship with her, knowing the text messages are
played in the song, and the amount of panic that
you would have around that and trying to get on
the front foot of it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I think also that the tone of the recording, it's
a little bit like it makes her sound stupid. The
tone is very condescending towards her, and I think that's
probably gotten made her feel a little bit defensive. Yeah, yeah,
kind of making her sound like a bit like a
valley girl, like a dumb kind of Valey girl.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, And that she's kind of a footnote in this
big celebri really loves story. Yes, it's a hardline, isn't it?
Because on one hand, like I understand why Lily Allen's
out like this is her big moment, this is her
career resurgence, And I understand why she's out there, like
you don't turn down SNL, you don't turn down doing
a mad cover and this is what people want to
talk about. But at the same time I kind of
understand also Natalie Tippett, now that she's been outed as
(14:26):
the Madeline, being on the sidelines and putting out this
message to Lily Ellen, effectively begging her to stop.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I think what we need to do is refocus our
attention on who the actual villain is in this whole thing. Like,
let's refocus and who's the villain here. It's not Madeline,
it's not Lily, Lily's just made a beautiful album. It
is that damn man, David Harbor. Yeah, he's the one
we should be focusing our attention on But I think
it's really common though in when there is like these
(14:53):
cheating scandals, it's always the other woman that gets all
of the flack, and it just seems like we should
be focusing on David Harbor.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, it is interesting because a lot of people were
saying that it was such bad timing for David Harbor
to be on his Stranger things pressed around and the
roll out of the final season while this was happening.
But I actually think it's been quite a blessing for
him because now people are watching the show, they're seeing
him as this character who they love, and I think
it's diluted quite a bit. It's diluted that initial kind
(15:20):
of hatred and push against him, and also all his
co stars, Like it doesn't look like they've rallied around
him because I haven't said anything, but they've rallied around
him in the way that they're on red carpets with him,
like laughing with him, smiling, hugging him, talking about how
much they love him, which I understand because one like,
they potentially did have that incredible relationship with him for
over a decade, and so they're just acting the way
(15:43):
they would on a red carpet, or there's also a
world in which they don't want to be like Millie
Bobby Brown, of all the stuff that is true about
her potentially putting in that alleged complain about him and
having a difficult time. I also understand why she wants
to preserve her own kind of like safety in the
spotlight and not be involved. And sometimes it's easier just
to smile and move on. So I get that, But
(16:04):
I also feel like, because we're about to have this
next big roll out of Strange and his characters really
shaping up to have this very heroic fatherly arc, that
it's diluted any kind of hatred against him, and so
a lot of that hatred that people can't just listen
to an album, they have to then take it a
step further. And I really felt Finatalie in that statement
where she said she's receiving constant death threats.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, I do too, and I really don't think that
we should be attacking this woman. And I understand why
she's spoken out. So towards the end of the statement,
she says, I'm aware of the repercussions of speaking out
mat this may cause, but I can't imagine anything worse
than what's already been said, as well as having to
watch someone profit off of painful lies. So at this point, Lis,
I've said my truth and on my own terms.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder how Lily Allen will deal
with this going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Because said anything.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, it's interesting because the thing is, if she goes
and really acknowledges Natalie, acknowledges what she's saying, then she's
pulling the curtain down from this kind of fictional world
that she built up in West End Girl. Because with
Western Girl she has always said, like there's bits of truth,
but she's always gone really hard on like some of
this is fictionalized, it's made up, I'm not using real names.
(17:13):
And that's kind of been her safety net all the
way through this, and it's a safety net that will
let her build on this and really small songs and
like potentially release a stage show. But if she gets
into the weeds with Natalie, she's acknowledging and like heightening
the reality of this woman and who's involved in it
behind the scenes, and it strips the fantasy away and
she's got less kind of creativity. So I understand that,
(17:36):
but I also like if every time she does a performance,
Natalie puts out another statement saying she's getting death threats,
which I do believe she's getting, and that's even more
horrifying for a normy because like, obviously celebrity getting death
threats is awful, but often like they have a team
around them, like a publicity team who can help them
navigate things. They have security, they have people to look
after them. If she's just a woman sitting alone at
(17:57):
home with her baby, that I would be freaking out
about getting messages from strangers saying they were going to
kill you because you've got no safety net around you.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Absolutely, it's really challenging to think of what she could do.
I feel like she does have a slight responsibility to
maybe say, don't like protect her in some way. Yeah,
But then also I if she said this is not
this isn't true, she shouldn't have to And it's also
(18:28):
she has she's allowed to be angry at this woman,
even though it's not her fault entirely. It's obviously, David,
you don't have to accept someone's apology if you don't
want to. Yeah, she's allowed to protect her piece and
say I don't want to have anything to do with you.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, I'm interested in these extra text messages she says
she has, because it does allude to this idea there's
a much bigger relationship between Lily and Natalie than either
of them have led on previously. That she is saying,
I have extra messages between us. I have things I
haven't shown yet, And because even though she knew the
song was coming out, it kind of alludes to like
there's a deeper relationship between them, which is the other
(19:05):
interesting thing. This isn't like a woman that Lily Allen
heard of in passing and has never and she's so
she's using the idea of this woman like this is
an actual person that she's talked to and she's aware of,
which makes the situation a lot deeper. I do feel
like at some stage she's gonna have to, Like, if
this keeps going and Natalie keeps posting Lily, Alan's gonna
have to say something. There's no way she can get
(19:26):
up and like she's potentially gonna win a Grammy and
she's also going to be performing this a lot of
high profile events. There's no way she can do that.
While this story is bubbling away in the background and
not have it pull focus, so it'll be interesting to see.
But yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure those wheels are turning
on her head now of how she's gonna deal with it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I mean to be, it's still a great song. I mean, whatever,
whatever happens behind the scenes, it was a really great performance.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So a couple of days ago, Amy Schumer posted an
update to her Instagram account that a lot of people
had thought was coming for a very very long time,
and you could almost feel the exasperation through her typing
this message out, like I'm so sick of the speculation
and the articles and people are messaging me about it.
So she kind of did a bit of an Amy
Schumer's spin on a very classic form of a celeb
(20:21):
divorce announcement. So this caption was written below a photo
that she posted of her and her husband, Chris, and
it's a really cute photo. They're sitting on a New
York subway. He's holding a backpack and he's wearing a hat,
and she's clutching their little dog in her lap and
they're just like looking very sweet. It's almost a folk
They're looking sweet but resigned. So It's almost a photo
like was it taken when they were married? Is it
(20:41):
taken since they're divorce and they're still hanging out, Like
that's the kind of vibe. So in the caption, she wrote,
blah blah blah, Chris and I have made the difficult
decision to end our marriage after seven years. We love
each other very much and will continue to focus on
raising our son. We would appreciate people respecting our privacy
at this time blah blah blah. Not because I dropped
some LB's and I thought I could bag a basketball player,
(21:04):
and not because he's a hot James Beard Award winning
show I have to can still pull some hot tail,
amicaal and all love and respect, family forever.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It might be my favorite divorce announcement ever.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, because it had to say all the things of like,
yes we're separating, Yes we're still family, Yes we still
love our son, Yes we want privacy, blah blah blah.
It's kind of this idea of like I'm just ticking
all the boxes. You guys know what's happening.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, Yeah, I love it. I just think it's a
good way to go about it rather than sort of
trying to be really earnest in that situation. When she's
a comedian, she's supposed to be funny. But again, straight
away people are going to go. And people were speculating
weeks ago that the reason she'd lost all this weight
was because she's single. But you know, she's addressed the
(21:46):
fact that she had to do it because of her
cushings diagnosis, so she was doing this for her health.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, the weight loss thing was an
interesting I think part that she had to add in there, because, Yeah,
the thing is that she's always been through the absolute
ringer over her body. I remember when she first became
really famous and people were sort of questioning, like how
could she be so famous at such a size even
though she's like kind of a midweight woman, and she
was like, hey, I can still pull a dick wheneveryone want,
just so you guys know. And then when she had
(22:15):
the diagnosis, with people making fun of the size of
her face when she was doing press, that was a
really low moment for all of us in like humanity
around people just mocking her face and her coming out
and saying like, oh I'm quite ill, that's why. And
then they wouldn't stop. And then when she says said
that she had gone on weight loss medication, there was
this kind of vitriol that she would leave her husband
once she got hotter. And then the divorce speculations started.
(22:38):
And that's been going for a while. Like Page six
was reporting that they'd been split up for a while.
Even People magazine was saying that they were working, that
they were living separately and working through their divorce. And
so people have been waiting for this, and I think
like she had to, not had to. But I can
understand why she put the weightless stuff in there, because
she's like having to say, like, I'm not leaving my
husband of seven years because I lost some weight. Yeah,
(23:00):
that's not the reason, and I do I mean, I
don't know what happened in their relationship, but I do
know that people, just normal people and celebrities have been
getting divorced since the beginning of time. So I don't
think that that's the I wouldn't say that was the reason.
I'll go out in a lemon say.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, I mean, people like again, she they alluded to
the fact that they were breaking up. You know, earlier
this month, she wrote, you know, whatever ends up happening
nothing to do with her recent weight loss or his
autism diagnosis, so she we kind of already knew this
was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, And I can understand that it's sort of like
you're just kind of like almost like treading water if
you're that famous, behind the scenes of like everyone knows,
but when do we kind of say it and when
do we kind of put out the official announcement And
the fact that it was just kind of like a
quick caption post to her Instagram was kind of like
a very low key way to do it without getting
a pr and just get it out of the way.
(23:50):
And I thought it was interesting, Like I was, I
was looking underneath at the comments and just a lot
of her celebrity friends were just like leaving love hearts
and things, and obviously like that's a we already knew,
but was just like show of side and support. I
thought a comment from Sophia Bush the actress, was really
interesting because she said, I know this is so hard
to go through, let alone, to go through it without
the world watching, and was kind of wishing her well,
(24:12):
and it made me think of Sophia having that huge,
opulent wedding and everyone being so excited that she, you know,
at forty, had finally found her true love and then
getting divorced a year later and having to announce that.
And she has talked about like going through the backlash
of people feeling disappointed in your love story while you're
also getting divorced. So I thought that was kind of
nice that she was sort of in the comments for
(24:33):
Amy Schumer. Yeah, and what you were saying too about
how people started speculating about his autism diagnosis, which I
also found in quite poor taste, because a nice thing
about Chris Fisher and Amy Schumer's relationship is that they
have talked about a lot of really personal stuff over
the years through the lens of sort of just saying, like,
I know, our lives look super fabulous because we're rich
(24:54):
and successful, but like, here's some other things happening behind
the scenes. Because I did have a bit of a
meet cute. So he's a chef and they met when
he was like I believe they were like on a
holiday and he was cooking at the home and they
met and she thought it was so cute, but he
wouldn't like her, and then they kind of had a
little vibe and it was just it's so funny because she
always kind of made fun of him in a way,
like publicly because she's a comedian. Like their engagement story,
(25:16):
she's like he just threw me a box and was like,
I got you this. But like, if you look behind
the scenes, like they're super cute wedding photos and the
way they talk about each other, they did seem quite
madly in love, and they were also really open about
how like they had this beautiful love story, they had
this beautiful wedding, and then the next part of their
life they face a lot of difficulties between the two
of them, but particularly health difficulties.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, look, we know that after the birth of Jean's
she struggled with endimetriosis and a number of other health conditions.
She did actually end up havingh directomy, and she's spoken
really really openly about endometriosis particularly and how that affected her.
So you know, she's been really really candid. I mean,
(25:59):
all of the photos on her socials of parenting and
having a newborn are like the most relatable things I've
ever seen, Like her backstage at an event with these
breast pumps on her in that bra, Like I looked
at that and I was like, I remember that moment
in motherhood, just being like feeling like a cow and
(26:21):
getting pumped. So yeah, she was. She was always been
super candid and you know, not hiding behind anything.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, not hiding and also getting into the funny side
when when she changed her son's name, do you remember
this is an't always Geene? No, no, no, no, this
is so good so when she announced god that there
no when she This is my favorite Amy Schumer story.
And I've got a lot because once I, like very
late at night, I opened my phone and I opened Instagram,
and on Amy Schumer's Instagram was a piece I'd written
about her movie that she had just found on the internet,
(26:50):
and then she had DMed.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Me it's so good.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I was like, is that my piece on her? She
she has since deleted her entire Instagram so was not
there anymore. But it was a beautiful moment in time,
and she sent me this long, beautiful message about how
lovely the writing was and about how much it meant
to her that I had like seen this in her movie,
and I was like, oh, this is thank you, Amy Schumer.
So but that's really not so that's my second favorite
Amy Schumer. My first Amy Schumer story is how and
(27:14):
she announced her son's birth and she was like, we're
so excited to welcome our son, Jean adel Fisher, and
everyone's like, well, that's clearly a joke. Like his name's
definitely gene, but there's no way you call your son genital,
which is what when you say gene adel fars what
it sounds like genital Fisher. And so everyone was like,
She's she's classic Amy Schumer. She's so funny. What's his
(27:34):
real name? And then it was months later because I
don't think she read the comments under that show, and
also why would you? And then she realized later that
she was sort of saying to someone, oh, genital, Jane addall, oh,
oh my god. And then they realized what they had
called their son. They hadn't, like, I guess I just
wrote it down. They didn't say it out loud.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
YEP, it's the classic, you know, jack Off, yeah, first
in last.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And so they've changed it to I think it's Gene
David now. But it was so funny because she was
on a talk show and she was being asked about it,
and the end the host was like, was that a bit,
and she was like no, and then she'll do the audience.
She's like she's like, oh, what, so no one he
has ever named their child genital or you're all such
perfect parents. I was like, so good, So she's got
little gen now. But her talking about her health stuff
(28:17):
was a lot, especially in the face of people really
like kind of pulling down her body and also talking
about her husband getting diagnosed as an adult with autism
and kind of how that like strengthened their relationship in
a way, because she's like, I always knew he was
seeing the world in a different way, and we didn't
always communicate properly and we couldn't really figure out what
it was. And then once he had his diagnosis and
they had all this information, she talked about it like
(28:38):
it bringing them closer together and the understanding they had.
And so I thought her sharing all of that throughout
their marriage because she could have get that private, but
I thought sharing all of that and sort of going
through the steps of how it did affected their marriage,
both the good and the bad, how they'd got the diagnosis,
what it meant for him. There were other people messaging her.
I remember reading the comments under one of the posts
she put up about it, of people saying that like
(29:00):
they were going through something or it made them want
to go to the doctor, and it was just a
really interesting thing that I feel like she cops a
lot of flak, but there's a lot of times where
she's just been very open in an interesting way. And
I think one of the she's because she's been so
open about their marriage. That's why when there were all
these signs they were about to separate, there were all
these red flags, and I think that's why people kind
of smell blood in the water and they jumped in
(29:21):
and like waiting for this announcement to come out.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And people love to hate her, you know, she's she
really did. It seems irrational, Like there's a lot of
irrational anger towards Amy Shima, and I think a lot
of it has to do with her style of comedy
is quite vulgar, but men particularly find that's so distasteful,
and so many people attack her when she's talking in
(29:44):
these really like frank open ways and quite sexual ways. Yeah,
and they put their own things onto her and be
like you're not hot enough to be able to speak
like that, Like that's that kind of really disgusting, misogynistic take. Yeah,
and they're so awful to her for no reason.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think there is a lot of stuff which we
don't have time to get into all the backlog of
this now. There is a lot of stuff about, like
there's allegations of her taking others comedian's material, and there's
a lot of that, Like, there's a lot of backstory there,
But I don't think a lot of I think a
lot of the hatred, like people aren't delving into the
like a lot of people aren't delving into like the
kind of backlogs of comedy history, or they're not delving
(30:22):
into things that she's said in the past, or how
she works with people on sets. A lot of people
are just there. They're anger at her, as you're saying,
comes from that top line like here's what she looks like, yes,
kind of moment. And I think that's very different to
people who might have some legitimate kind of thoughts around
things that she's done or people who she's worked with
in the past. But I don't think those two groups
(30:42):
are kind of colliding there. But yeah, I thought it
was a really interesting kind of spin on the celeb
divorce announcement. And yeah, and just a very fitting way
for like a marriage that's been so open to kind
of end on that note. And then hopefully now people
will not let it go.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I think they'll be.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
More interested now in her, now that she's out and
about as a single woman, like, they'll be more interested
in that. But I'm sure there's some relief from her
of having it out there.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I think her having that light note to that makes
it much easier for people just to leave it there.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You know you're not going to be asking more questions
when someone has a statement like that, because it's almost saying,
I know how ridiculous this is. I'm not going to
answer him the questions. This is it like the way
she wrote it. Thank you so much for listening to
the Spill today. Guys. Make sure you're following us on
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be back here in your fee tomorrow at seven am
(31:34):
with Morning Tea hosted by the wonderful Ash London. This
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by Scott Strom.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Cancenula Gitch and
coming up on the show today, Lily Allen has gone
viral yet again for another moment from her new album
West End Girl. But now the woman involved in her
hit song is begging her to stop. We're going to
get into all that. Plus, Amy Schumer has announced that
(00:40):
she is officially divorcing her husband. We're going to unpack
her divorce announcement in their relationship because there's a lot
of different things that play here, and she's very sadly
been on divorce watch for a while from a lot
of tabloids, which we're going to get into that. It's
a bit of a messy situation. But first, something a
little bit more glamorous, something.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
A little bit more fun. Now we have this news.
This news was announced last week. We have our co
chairs for the Met Gala, and Beyonce is at the
top of the list. Cole Kidman Venus Williams are also
going to be co chairs at next years Met Gala,
which always happens on the first Monday in May. But
(01:15):
people are really excited about Beyonce being on the board
because she actually hasn't been to the met Gala since
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, that was an interesting announcement because there's always like
just before the announcement has made a bit of a
flurry around which celebrities and taste makers would be involved.
So we know that the theme for this year's event is
the twenty twenty six exhibition theme costume Art, and when
it was announced that Beyonce would be one of the chairs.
So the chairs to the event, like on paper, they're
meant to help run the events. They're meant to help
(01:44):
with coming up with styling choices, they're meant to help
with the guest list. They're meant to sort of like
hone the creative force of the evening. And obviously they're
standing on the carpet next to Anna Wintur on the
night greeting guests and talking to them and saying hello.
I actually kind of think that behind the scenes they're
probably not that involved. Like I don't think Anna Wintour's
saying to anyone, especially some of the random men that
(02:06):
have sometimes been involved as co chairs. I don't think
she's saying to them, which table setting do you like?
I feel like it's more of an honorary position, but
on the night you're very public facing.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, I think it's more it's almost like the face
of the particular yeah theme. You know, you become a
really pivotal part of that theme. And there may be
some discussions around like where they're sitting, or maybe they
say they say something, but they're absolutely not doing the
party planning.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, exactly, and then they get to do some special stuff.
So if you're like the Year's and day A hosters,
she walks through a car, but at the start to
open it, went backstage, changed dresses, came back around with
her other dress, and kind of closed the car. But
so do little things like that. So yeah, I guess
everyone's looking to Beyonce because it has been over a
decade since she's been to the Met Gala. Everyone's kind
of looking to what kind of spectacle she'll do or
(02:52):
how she'll make it her moment. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Her arrivals at the Met Gala have always famously been
very very late. She was always like the last person
to arrive, and so since twenty sixteen, everybody's kind of
been like, oh my god, is she coming? Is she
coming in? She come in, because in previous years they've
been like packing the carpet up and she'd walk. So
she's famously always late, so people are really excited about this.
The last time we saw her was in the jivonch
(03:16):
latex gown, which she was for Manus Ex Machina back
in twenty sixteen, which was an incredible dress with those
like big puffy like latex shoulders. But the one that
I remember that the most is the year before, which
was China through the Looking Glass, and she wore that
really sparkly a sort of see through, which is not
It was not dissimilar to what she wore the year after.
(03:38):
The reason I loved this year was because again she
was running super late and she got into the lift
and she was with her hair stylist, Neil Farner, and
he steal does her hair to this day. And she
said in the lift, I don't like my chignon anymore?
Can you change it? And he did that really crazy
high pony.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
In really high pony to the site. I think of
that story every time I see her iconic stop Let's
see where she's going up the Megala steps and she
stops with like one like on one step, the other
leg gest steps down to kind of really show off
the dress and that high ponytail that's so like like
a like a kid going to primary school and they've
done their own hair in the car.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's it's a bit eighty. But so she got but yeah,
she that is like the most iconic story of you know,
those last minute things.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, it's always interesting how she and Rihanna are always
the two that are vying for the latest arrival at
these events, and like that's kind of a thing of
like the most powerful person arrives the latest, which I mean,
I don't love all those reports they're fighting and all
those things that have happened over the year because it's
that long kind of history between them, But I'm like,
I do love that they're both just like I will
be the latest.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I always think about the Metgala for me the reason
it's so fun and I feel like it hasn't really
hit the same in the last couple of years. But
do you remember that Lady Gaga look where she did
basically that was the whole performance piece.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh yeah, yeah for the thing cam it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Was so freaking incredible. She did like six different outfits
and it was just amazing, Like that's what I want
to see, and I feel like Beyonce can that. Yeah
gee yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Verstaid like when they announced the chairs, like Beyonce's name
on it did give me a little bit of pause,
and I think that was the same for a lot
of people because it kind of rejigged the tone of
the Met Gala for twenty twenty six a little bit. Obviously,
all the names on there impressive, like Nicole Kimmen's kind
of a mainstay, Venus Williams again like a hugely famous person,
a tastemaker as well as being an athlete. The Beyonce
(05:29):
of it all was interesting, not only because she hasn't
attended for over a decade, which is kind of a
huge statement, because usually who gets an invite to the
Met Gallery is such a kind of a big power move,
and which designer that they if they're able to get
the better designer of other people, their arrival time, all
of these things kind of signify their power and the
fact that she's opted out for over ten years at
(05:49):
the same time that she's one of the most powerful
people in the entertainment industry is super interesting. And also
because she has this habit of like she'll go into
hiding for so long and then she'll come out and
like have a moment, whether it's like a red carpet moment,
or she'll drop a surprise album, or like when she
went on tour, she'll give an iconic Grammy speech, but
then she'll go back into hiding for such a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
She's such an enigma, Like I feel like nobody really
knows what Beyonce is like because she's just created this
aura around her, and it's this aura of exclusivity and
h and everything is curated, and you know, she's so
iconic that like everybody just wants to know what she's
(06:32):
doing next. But you know, even when they showed up
to that race, the f one thing like just iconic
looks just giving us iconic.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, And it was an interesting year for her to
be the Met Gala chair because obviously that sort of
stuff is in talks for a long time, but they
would be able to sort of pull out before the
announcements made because there was this idea that the Met
Gala doesn't attract the same level of star anymore. This
idea that it's become more about like TikTokers or people
who can buy their way in and the Met Gala,
(07:00):
like the vibe around it really took a hit this
year because it was announced that Amazon founder Jeff Bezos
and his wife Lauren Sanchez Bezos were going to be
the main sponsors for the twenty twenty six Metgala, and
that really put a divide into the fashion entertainment world.
A lot of people were criticizing it, saying that like
the Metgala and like Anna Wintour, now they're a sellout
(07:21):
and anyone can buy their way in and it's moved
away from like tastemakers into just like kind of currency.
Like so there was this kind of bad taste to
it going in and Beyonce is almost like the antidote
to bad taste. So I think it's interesting that they've her.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It's really interesting to me how in the last couple
of years, and I'm wondering if Lauren Sanchez has a
little bit more to do with this. We're seeing Jeff
and Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez really try and thrust
themselves upon this celebrity Hollywood click, you know, like we
saw it the most with their wedding for sure, but
(07:57):
then even like Chris Jenner's birthday party, like they are
popping themselves into these really important fashion and Hollywood and
celebrity events, and it's just really interesting thing to me
in terms of is this like a tactical.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Thing, Yeah, exactly. Well the met goal I just got
a lot more interesting for next year. It's going to
be on the first Monday in May twenty twenty six. Yeah,
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
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the way, if you need more details or even if
you just need to vent or anything. Love and Light.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Madeline Lily Allen was the musical guest on SNL this
past week, and it was the first time that she'd
ever performed Madeline from her album earlier on in the year,
West End Girl, and everybody was loving her. She's performing,
She's wearing gorgeous, gorgeous like kind of nineteen sixties inspired
mini dress. She's got the big buffon at the back,
(08:57):
perfectly quaffed big lashes, and out of the back of
the performance we see a nice little sort of chiffon
curtain and Madeleine comes out well. This iteration of Madeleine
and it was our very own Dakota Johnson not our
very own, and Dakota Johnson comes out from behind the
curtain and plays Madeleine and everyone's like, I'm losing their
(09:20):
minds over this. It was such a good little moment
on SNL. So this is obviously the first time that
Lily has ever performed this song live, and people were
kind of saying, oh, well, maybe every single time she
performs that she can bring out a new Madaline, which
I thought was a great idea. So obviously we know
that this whole album has been based on her separation
(09:40):
from David Harbor, and earlier on after the album was released,
Natalie Tippett, who was the mistress, came out and basically
identified herself as Madeleine because Lily and Halan hadn't said
that yet. On Sunday, after this performance, she put out
a statement on her Instagram stories talking about how she
(10:01):
was getting really sick of this false narrative that Lily
Allen has been talking about, although she hasn't talked about
it publicly yet. So she goes on to write, I
was hoping to not speak on this, but I'm tired
of this false narrative being pushed and circulated. This was
such a marginal part of my life, but it's now
turned into a major disruption. I did not have a
three year affair with anyone. I'm unsure why this person
(10:22):
wants so badly to pit people against me or create
this narrative that we both know is false based on
the actual messages that I have saved between us. So
she seems to hear be targeting Lily directly.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's interesting. There's a few different things a play here.
One of them is that the reception to West End
Girl is something that I do believe like Lily and
her team didn't really preempt at becoming this huge cultural
moment because there wasn't a huge lead up to it.
I mean, fans knew the album was coming, and they
knew the context of it. But Lily Allen herself has
said like she hasn't like since her first album and
(10:58):
like kind of the height of her initial musical fame,
hasn't had a huge release like this, and she wasn't
expecting it to. She knew that her fandom would listen
and like her core people would be in it, but
she wasn't expecting it to chart so hugely. And it's
kind of interesting as we're seeing her do this press
run now because when the album came out, like that
would have been the time for her to be on
magazine covers and talk shows, and she had a bit
(11:18):
of press, but not the magnitude she has now, which
kind of makes me think that now TV shows are
like scrambling to book her and Mags getting her on
the cover because no one expected it to be this
huge moment. And she was recently saying that west End
Girl is like in talks to be developed into like
a stage musical, and she's probably gonna sweep a lot
of the award shows next year. And when you kind
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of look about Natalie Tippet being linked to being Madeline,
it kind of in a way seems like this crazy
power and balance. But I don't think anyone expected that
song in particular to blow up the way it did.
But the interesting thing is is that Natalie Tippet, and
I'm not calling her out for this because I kind
of imagine being that situation. As you were saying before,
she kind of outed herself in a strange way. That also,
(12:01):
I have so many questions about that interview, because I'm
still not even sure that she knew what she was
doing when she was talking to a tabloid news outlet.
It almost feels like, reading between the lines that they
kind of like caught her in a moment where she
was seeing this song blow up, and she obviously knew
that she was involved in it, but no one else did.
So she could have stayed quiet, because I do believe
(12:22):
that Lily Allen would never have named her, and David
Harbor wouldn't have named her, like he's trying to stay
so far out of this. But I wonder if the outlet,
and we don't know, but I do wonder if the
outlet sort of said, like we know who you are,
or that people are about to find out, and so
she kind of really quickly gave them her side of
the story to defend herself, and then the whole situation
blew up and she effectively outed herself as Madeline when
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she could have stayed silent.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I think that is a massive possibility, particularly because let's
remember she's a costume designer. She is not in the industry.
She doesn't have media training, she doesn't have PR training
that is really really important in when you're talking about
like scandals or any celebrity, anybody in the entertainment industry
will have gone through some level of media training on
how to answer questions, even like politicians, like everybody goes
(13:09):
through it. She would not have had that, so she
would have definitely been caught off guard.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And she doesn't have a team around her. Oh yeah,
I mean yeah, I know it's easy to say in
hindsight now, like why did you say anything? And why
did you got to get yourself involved? But I also
I kind of imagine the panic of being like a
single mom who's out of the spotlight, and then waking
up one day and finding out that this huge pop
star has released an album that everyone is talking about
and there's a song about you, and just the panic
(13:34):
of like and knowing you'd exchange text messages so you
have a relationship with her, knowing the text messages are
played in the song, and the amount of panic that
you would have around that and trying to get on
the front foot of it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I think also that the tone of the recording, it's
a little bit like it makes her sound stupid. The
tone is very condescending towards her, and I think that's
probably gotten made her feel a little bit defensive. Yeah, yeah,
kind of making her sound like a bit like a
valley girl, like a dumb kind of Valey girl.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, And that she's kind of a footnote in this
big celebri really loves story. Yes, it's a hardline, isn't it?
Because on one hand, like I understand why Lily Allen's
out like this is her big moment, this is her
career resurgence, And I understand why she's out there, like
you don't turn down SNL, you don't turn down doing
a mad cover and this is what people want to
talk about. But at the same time I kind of
understand also Natalie Tippett, now that she's been outed as
(14:26):
the Madeline, being on the sidelines and putting out this
message to Lily Ellen, effectively begging her to stop.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I think what we need to do is refocus our
attention on who the actual villain is in this whole thing. Like,
let's refocus and who's the villain here. It's not Madeline,
it's not Lily, Lily's just made a beautiful album. It
is that damn man, David Harbor. Yeah, he's the one
we should be focusing our attention on But I think
it's really common though in when there is like these
(14:53):
cheating scandals, it's always the other woman that gets all
of the flack, and it just seems like we should
be focusing on David Harbor.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, it is interesting because a lot of people were
saying that it was such bad timing for David Harbor
to be on his Stranger things pressed around and the
roll out of the final season while this was happening.
But I actually think it's been quite a blessing for
him because now people are watching the show, they're seeing
him as this character who they love, and I think
it's diluted quite a bit. It's diluted that initial kind
(15:20):
of hatred and push against him, and also all his
co stars, Like it doesn't look like they've rallied around
him because I haven't said anything, but they've rallied around
him in the way that they're on red carpets with him,
like laughing with him, smiling, hugging him, talking about how
much they love him, which I understand because one like,
they potentially did have that incredible relationship with him for
over a decade, and so they're just acting the way
(15:43):
they would on a red carpet, or there's also a
world in which they don't want to be like Millie
Bobby Brown, of all the stuff that is true about
her potentially putting in that alleged complain about him and
having a difficult time. I also understand why she wants
to preserve her own kind of like safety in the
spotlight and not be involved. And sometimes it's easier just
to smile and move on. So I get that, But
(16:04):
I also feel like, because we're about to have this
next big roll out of Strange and his characters really
shaping up to have this very heroic fatherly arc, that
it's diluted any kind of hatred against him, and so
a lot of that hatred that people can't just listen
to an album, they have to then take it a
step further. And I really felt Finatalie in that statement
where she said she's receiving constant death threats.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, I do too, and I really don't think that
we should be attacking this woman. And I understand why
she's spoken out. So towards the end of the statement,
she says, I'm aware of the repercussions of speaking out
mat this may cause, but I can't imagine anything worse
than what's already been said, as well as having to
watch someone profit off of painful lies. So at this point, Lis,
I've said my truth and on my own terms.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder how Lily Allen will deal
with this going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Because said anything.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, it's interesting because the thing is, if she goes
and really acknowledges Natalie, acknowledges what she's saying, then she's
pulling the curtain down from this kind of fictional world
that she built up in West End Girl. Because with
Western Girl she has always said, like there's bits of truth,
but she's always gone really hard on like some of
this is fictionalized, it's made up, I'm not using real names.
(17:13):
And that's kind of been her safety net all the
way through this, and it's a safety net that will
let her build on this and really small songs and
like potentially release a stage show. But if she gets
into the weeds with Natalie, she's acknowledging and like heightening
the reality of this woman and who's involved in it
behind the scenes, and it strips the fantasy away and
she's got less kind of creativity. So I understand that,
(17:36):
but I also like if every time she does a performance,
Natalie puts out another statement saying she's getting death threats,
which I do believe she's getting, and that's even more
horrifying for a normy because like, obviously celebrity getting death
threats is awful, but often like they have a team
around them, like a publicity team who can help them
navigate things. They have security, they have people to look
after them. If she's just a woman sitting alone at
(17:57):
home with her baby, that I would be freaking out
about getting messages from strangers saying they were going to
kill you because you've got no safety net around you.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Absolutely, it's really challenging to think of what she could do.
I feel like she does have a slight responsibility to
maybe say, don't like protect her in some way. Yeah,
But then also I if she said this is not
this isn't true, she shouldn't have to And it's also
(18:28):
she has she's allowed to be angry at this woman,
even though it's not her fault entirely. It's obviously, David,
you don't have to accept someone's apology if you don't
want to. Yeah, she's allowed to protect her piece and
say I don't want to have anything to do with you.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, I'm interested in these extra text messages she says
she has, because it does allude to this idea there's
a much bigger relationship between Lily and Natalie than either
of them have led on previously. That she is saying,
I have extra messages between us. I have things I
haven't shown yet, And because even though she knew the
song was coming out, it kind of alludes to like
there's a deeper relationship between them, which is the other
(19:05):
interesting thing. This isn't like a woman that Lily Allen
heard of in passing and has never and she's so
she's using the idea of this woman like this is
an actual person that she's talked to and she's aware of,
which makes the situation a lot deeper. I do feel
like at some stage she's gonna have to, Like, if
this keeps going and Natalie keeps posting Lily, Alan's gonna
have to say something. There's no way she can get
(19:26):
up and like she's potentially gonna win a Grammy and
she's also going to be performing this a lot of
high profile events. There's no way she can do that.
While this story is bubbling away in the background and
not have it pull focus, so it'll be interesting to see.
But yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure those wheels are turning
on her head now of how she's gonna deal with it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I mean to be, it's still a great song. I mean, whatever,
whatever happens behind the scenes, it was a really great performance.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So a couple of days ago, Amy Schumer posted an
update to her Instagram account that a lot of people
had thought was coming for a very very long time,
and you could almost feel the exasperation through her typing
this message out, like I'm so sick of the speculation
and the articles and people are messaging me about it.
So she kind of did a bit of an Amy
Schumer's spin on a very classic form of a celeb
(20:21):
divorce announcement. So this caption was written below a photo
that she posted of her and her husband, Chris, and
it's a really cute photo. They're sitting on a New
York subway. He's holding a backpack and he's wearing a hat,
and she's clutching their little dog in her lap and
they're just like looking very sweet. It's almost a folk
They're looking sweet but resigned. So It's almost a photo
like was it taken when they were married? Is it
(20:41):
taken since they're divorce and they're still hanging out, Like
that's the kind of vibe. So in the caption, she wrote,
blah blah blah, Chris and I have made the difficult
decision to end our marriage after seven years. We love
each other very much and will continue to focus on
raising our son. We would appreciate people respecting our privacy
at this time blah blah blah. Not because I dropped
some LB's and I thought I could bag a basketball player,
(21:04):
and not because he's a hot James Beard Award winning
show I have to can still pull some hot tail,
amicaal and all love and respect, family forever.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It might be my favorite divorce announcement ever.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, because it had to say all the things of like,
yes we're separating, Yes we're still family, Yes we still
love our son, Yes we want privacy, blah blah blah.
It's kind of this idea of like I'm just ticking
all the boxes. You guys know what's happening.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, Yeah, I love it. I just think it's a
good way to go about it rather than sort of
trying to be really earnest in that situation. When she's
a comedian, she's supposed to be funny. But again, straight
away people are going to go. And people were speculating
weeks ago that the reason she'd lost all this weight
was because she's single. But you know, she's addressed the
(21:46):
fact that she had to do it because of her
cushings diagnosis, so she was doing this for her health.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, the weight loss thing was an
interesting I think part that she had to add in there, because, Yeah,
the thing is that she's always been through the absolute
ringer over her body. I remember when she first became
really famous and people were sort of questioning, like how
could she be so famous at such a size even
though she's like kind of a midweight woman, and she
was like, hey, I can still pull a dick wheneveryone want,
just so you guys know. And then when she had
(22:15):
the diagnosis, with people making fun of the size of
her face when she was doing press, that was a
really low moment for all of us in like humanity
around people just mocking her face and her coming out
and saying like, oh I'm quite ill, that's why. And
then they wouldn't stop. And then when she says said
that she had gone on weight loss medication, there was
this kind of vitriol that she would leave her husband
once she got hotter. And then the divorce speculations started.
(22:38):
And that's been going for a while. Like Page six
was reporting that they'd been split up for a while.
Even People magazine was saying that they were working, that
they were living separately and working through their divorce. And
so people have been waiting for this, and I think
like she had to, not had to. But I can
understand why she put the weightless stuff in there, because
she's like having to say, like, I'm not leaving my
husband of seven years because I lost some weight. Yeah,
(23:00):
that's not the reason, and I do I mean, I
don't know what happened in their relationship, but I do
know that people, just normal people and celebrities have been
getting divorced since the beginning of time. So I don't
think that that's the I wouldn't say that was the reason.
I'll go out in a lemon say.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, I mean, people like again, she they alluded to
the fact that they were breaking up. You know, earlier
this month, she wrote, you know, whatever ends up happening
nothing to do with her recent weight loss or his
autism diagnosis, so she we kind of already knew this
was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, And I can understand that it's sort of like
you're just kind of like almost like treading water if
you're that famous, behind the scenes of like everyone knows,
but when do we kind of say it and when
do we kind of put out the official announcement And
the fact that it was just kind of like a
quick caption post to her Instagram was kind of like
a very low key way to do it without getting
a pr and just get it out of the way.
(23:50):
And I thought it was interesting, Like I was, I
was looking underneath at the comments and just a lot
of her celebrity friends were just like leaving love hearts
and things, and obviously like that's a we already knew,
but was just like show of side and support. I
thought a comment from Sophia Bush the actress, was really
interesting because she said, I know this is so hard
to go through, let alone, to go through it without
the world watching, and was kind of wishing her well,
(24:12):
and it made me think of Sophia having that huge,
opulent wedding and everyone being so excited that she, you know,
at forty, had finally found her true love and then
getting divorced a year later and having to announce that.
And she has talked about like going through the backlash
of people feeling disappointed in your love story while you're
also getting divorced. So I thought that was kind of
nice that she was sort of in the comments for
(24:33):
Amy Schumer. Yeah, and what you were saying too about
how people started speculating about his autism diagnosis, which I
also found in quite poor taste, because a nice thing
about Chris Fisher and Amy Schumer's relationship is that they
have talked about a lot of really personal stuff over
the years through the lens of sort of just saying, like,
I know, our lives look super fabulous because we're rich
(24:54):
and successful, but like, here's some other things happening behind
the scenes. Because I did have a bit of a
meet cute. So he's a chef and they met when
he was like I believe they were like on a
holiday and he was cooking at the home and they
met and she thought it was so cute, but he
wouldn't like her, and then they kind of had a
little vibe and it was just it's so funny because she
always kind of made fun of him in a way,
like publicly because she's a comedian. Like their engagement story,
(25:16):
she's like he just threw me a box and was like,
I got you this. But like, if you look behind
the scenes, like they're super cute wedding photos and the
way they talk about each other, they did seem quite
madly in love, and they were also really open about
how like they had this beautiful love story, they had
this beautiful wedding, and then the next part of their
life they face a lot of difficulties between the two
of them, but particularly health difficulties.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, look, we know that after the birth of Jean's
she struggled with endimetriosis and a number of other health conditions.
She did actually end up havingh directomy, and she's spoken
really really openly about endometriosis particularly and how that affected her.
So you know, she's been really really candid. I mean,
(25:59):
all of the photos on her socials of parenting and
having a newborn are like the most relatable things I've
ever seen, Like her backstage at an event with these
breast pumps on her in that bra, Like I looked
at that and I was like, I remember that moment
in motherhood, just being like feeling like a cow and
(26:21):
getting pumped. So yeah, she was. She was always been
super candid and you know, not hiding behind anything.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, not hiding and also getting into the funny side
when when she changed her son's name, do you remember
this is an't always Geene? No, no, no, no, this
is so good so when she announced god that there
no when she This is my favorite Amy Schumer story.
And I've got a lot because once I, like very
late at night, I opened my phone and I opened Instagram,
and on Amy Schumer's Instagram was a piece I'd written
about her movie that she had just found on the internet,
(26:50):
and then she had DMed.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Me it's so good.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I was like, is that my piece on her? She
she has since deleted her entire Instagram so was not
there anymore. But it was a beautiful moment in time,
and she sent me this long, beautiful message about how
lovely the writing was and about how much it meant
to her that I had like seen this in her movie,
and I was like, oh, this is thank you, Amy Schumer.
So but that's really not so that's my second favorite
Amy Schumer. My first Amy Schumer story is how and
(27:14):
she announced her son's birth and she was like, we're
so excited to welcome our son, Jean adel Fisher, and
everyone's like, well, that's clearly a joke. Like his name's
definitely gene, but there's no way you call your son genital,
which is what when you say gene adel fars what
it sounds like genital Fisher. And so everyone was like,
She's she's classic Amy Schumer. She's so funny. What's his
(27:34):
real name? And then it was months later because I
don't think she read the comments under that show, and
also why would you? And then she realized later that
she was sort of saying to someone, oh, genital, Jane addall, oh,
oh my god. And then they realized what they had
called their son. They hadn't, like, I guess I just
wrote it down. They didn't say it out loud.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
YEP, it's the classic, you know, jack Off, yeah, first
in last.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And so they've changed it to I think it's Gene
David now. But it was so funny because she was
on a talk show and she was being asked about it,
and the end the host was like, was that a bit,
and she was like no, and then she'll do the audience.
She's like she's like, oh, what, so no one he
has ever named their child genital or you're all such
perfect parents. I was like, so good, So she's got
little gen now. But her talking about her health stuff
(28:17):
was a lot, especially in the face of people really
like kind of pulling down her body and also talking
about her husband getting diagnosed as an adult with autism
and kind of how that like strengthened their relationship in
a way, because she's like, I always knew he was
seeing the world in a different way, and we didn't
always communicate properly and we couldn't really figure out what
it was. And then once he had his diagnosis and
they had all this information, she talked about it like
(28:38):
it bringing them closer together and the understanding they had.
And so I thought her sharing all of that throughout
their marriage because she could have get that private, but
I thought sharing all of that and sort of going
through the steps of how it did affected their marriage,
both the good and the bad, how they'd got the diagnosis,
what it meant for him. There were other people messaging her.
I remember reading the comments under one of the posts
she put up about it, of people saying that like
(29:00):
they were going through something or it made them want
to go to the doctor, and it was just a
really interesting thing that I feel like she cops a
lot of flak, but there's a lot of times where
she's just been very open in an interesting way. And
I think one of the she's because she's been so
open about their marriage. That's why when there were all
these signs they were about to separate, there were all
these red flags, and I think that's why people kind
of smell blood in the water and they jumped in
(29:21):
and like waiting for this announcement to come out.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And people love to hate her, you know, she's she
really did. It seems irrational, Like there's a lot of
irrational anger towards Amy Shima, and I think a lot
of it has to do with her style of comedy
is quite vulgar, but men particularly find that's so distasteful,
and so many people attack her when she's talking in
(29:44):
these really like frank open ways and quite sexual ways. Yeah,
and they put their own things onto her and be
like you're not hot enough to be able to speak
like that, Like that's that kind of really disgusting, misogynistic take. Yeah,
and they're so awful to her for no reason.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think there is a lot of stuff which we
don't have time to get into all the backlog of
this now. There is a lot of stuff about, like
there's allegations of her taking others comedian's material, and there's
a lot of that, Like, there's a lot of backstory there,
But I don't think a lot of I think a
lot of the hatred, like people aren't delving into the
like a lot of people aren't delving into like the
kind of backlogs of comedy history, or they're not delving
(30:22):
into things that she's said in the past, or how
she works with people on sets. A lot of people
are just there. They're anger at her, as you're saying,
comes from that top line like here's what she looks like, yes,
kind of moment. And I think that's very different to
people who might have some legitimate kind of thoughts around
things that she's done or people who she's worked with
in the past. But I don't think those two groups
(30:42):
are kind of colliding there. But yeah, I thought it
was a really interesting kind of spin on the celeb
divorce announcement. And yeah, and just a very fitting way
for like a marriage that's been so open to kind
of end on that note. And then hopefully now people
will not let it go.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I think they'll be.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
More interested now in her, now that she's out and
about as a single woman, like, they'll be more interested
in that. But I'm sure there's some relief from her
of having it out there.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I think her having that light note to that makes
it much easier for people just to leave it there.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You know you're not going to be asking more questions
when someone has a statement like that, because it's almost saying,
I know how ridiculous this is. I'm not going to
answer him the questions. This is it like the way
she wrote it. Thank you so much for listening to
the Spill today. Guys. Make sure you're following us on
TikTok and Instagram. We love catching up with you. Will
be back here in your fee tomorrow at seven am
(31:34):
with Morning Tea hosted by the wonderful Ash London. This
bill is produced by Minisha Is Warren with sound production
by Scott Strom.
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