September 3, 2025 • 26 mins
We love nothing more then when two successful and hot women get married (while wearing dreamy dresses) so now we need to talk about Chloë Grace Moretz and Kate Harrison’s love story.And just as the world was celebrating Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson’s newfound love, it came out that they were just involved in a PR stunt for their new movie. But how much of this is true and what was the reason behind it? Allow us to explain.Plus, its fair to say that Katy Perry has had a bad year, from the backlash to her new album, to her slightly embracing space expedition and the reaction to her world tour, but now there’s been a new development to the story that might surprise you.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassania Lukitch and
coming up on the show today, people were devastated and
betrayed when they found out that Liam Neeson and Pamela
Anderson had potentially been faking their romance for pr We've
had some new developments for the story, so we're going
to jump into that. Plus, this year, Katie Perry has
(00:45):
been one of the most hated women in the world,
but she's had a little redemption arc that no one
is talking about and we're going to get into that.
But first a little romance to kick us off.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love a little bit of romance.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So over the weekend, it was announced that actress Chloe
Grace Moretz had married her long term partner Kate Harrison,
and this news came via Vogue in a beautiful spread
of the two now wives both having their dress fitting
with Louis Vuton. So, Chloe, who's an actress I feel like,
has just been on our screens.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Like I can't even remember. The first time I saw
her was probably in Kick Us.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, that was kind of Yeah, that was like her
big breakout role. She was like thirteen at the time
when Kick Us came out, and she's just been a
real constant. Yes, you know, always working, always doing something,
but not like a super super duper a lista, but
we know she's there. She's always working.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, she was a huge child actor and then did
a lot of comedy movies and things like Bad Neighbors Too,
that sort of thing, a lot of those kind of
like teen movies, those like dystopied action movies like The
Fifth Wave, did some like stuff with Johnny Depp and
like Dark Shadows. I think her Laters show The Peripheral
was her last kind.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Of big role.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But yeah, has always been around since she was a child,
and she encaged only announced their engagement I think it
was just over a year ago, but they've been together
forenderly seven years, but just keeping their relationship out of
the spotlight. So the first we heard of this wedding
was Vogue sharing these videos of the two now wives
going into Louis Vaton studio because.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
They were having both their bridal.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Looks to walk down the aisle done and their after
party looks, and they wanted to keep that little bit
of tradition of not seeing each other's dresses or looks
or anything until they were walking down the aisle.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I was really keep watching the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Vogue video and seeing it the sort of camera go
between the two rooms where they were both getting their
dresses made secretly.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, So Nicholas Gascaire did both of the looks for
They both had two looks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Age.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Chloe's first look was this beautiful powder bloom. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It just feels like me, you know, it feels like
an extension of what I would have always hoped for.
And I think, like I never really envisioned a wedding
dress in my mind growing up, and so when we
started talking about what that would look like, I knew
immediately that I wanted to do something non traditional, you know,
and not wear white and kind of have it feel different.
(03:04):
And I think it really does. You guys, you're maybe cry,
oh wow, It's so perfect.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm obsessed with it. Like, I don't think I've ever
seen like a powder blue bridal gown before. But she
even had a blue veil. Yeah, I just think she
looked so beautiful and so happy. And then Kate was
a little bit more traditional with like a sort of
strapless embroidered beaded gown. But I think this is obviously
they're going to do all of the wedding photos. I'll
(03:34):
do a Vogue spread when that comes out. But yeah,
just stunning seeing that little snake peak of them sort
of really loved up, even though they weren't in the
room together, that you could just see how excited they were.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, it was because Chloe she is a fashion girl,
but not one of those fashion girlies who sort of
I guess like everyone copies her looks and things.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's more under the radar.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And that blue dress is because one of the first
times she worked with Louis Vuitton, they did a bit
of a blue for her for this dress that she
wore to an event, and she said, I was never
the girl who pictured at a wedding dress, but I
always thought like, if I was going to have a
really special dress, it would be in that blue.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It was kind of like Elsa because it had like
it was like straight down with the ruffles and the
blue veil. It was kind of like Elsa from Frozen
meets Cinderella, but like in a cool girl fashion way,
and then she had a cowboy hat for the after party.
I might newly obsessed with them as a couple, Like
I knew they were together, but they're so private that
I just didn't have anything to latch onto in a
really parasocial way, and now I do. She had the
cowboy hat on because they love horseback riding and they
(04:31):
were going to do line dancing at their reception, so
that was a little nod to that. And I'm just
so glad that this girl has found her like happily
ever after, because you know, she dated Brooklyn Beckham for
like five years, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Think she had a pretty shit time with that boy.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I think that's probably why she's kept this relationship so private,
is because her relationship with Brooklyn Beckham, which was I
think two thousand and fourteen, two thousand and ninety, so
that they did date for quite a while and there
was so much public scrutiny around it. She was constantly
being papped, and I think that kind of the way
that relationship played out. When she finally did start her
(05:07):
relationship with Kate was like, let's keep this on the
down low. She didn't even really quote unquote come out
until she endorsed Kamala Harris, but she was like it
was kind of like an open secret. She just never
felt like she needed to, yeah, acculdly come out. Yeah,
And I think it is because the Brooklyn stuff. I
mean that was when I mean, she's obviously still famous now,
but that wasn't the height of a lot of her
(05:28):
movies coming out. It was when Brooklyn was starting to
be a bit of a celebrity in his own ride
and every time she talked about him publicly, which she
rarely did, but she would also refer to him as
that boy, which I think is kind of like at
the time, she kind of knew he was a bit
of a douche, like he had good intentions, but she
was sort of talking about him wanting to be a
sports player and wanting to be a chef, Like I
(05:49):
think she was the first person to realize that he
had no sort of like career ambition. But yeah, they
broke up and got back together about three or four times,
and there was that time like I'm sure it's all innocent,
young love, but there was that time when he was
pictured with like a French model at a party, and
then he posted the photo and then they broke up,
and then they got back together, and then she spoke
about him publicly for the first time on Watch What
(06:10):
Happened Live, and then they broke up again. It was
one of those things where it's like just in this
cycle where they couldn't break out of it, and every
time they had to break up, the headlines went everywhere.
From what I can tell, she does seem to be
more of a private person, and as we know, she's
been on screen since she was like thirteen. You know,
she says that these perhaps all of this media attention
gave her a lot of anxiety because as you're growing up,
(06:32):
you're going through puberty. We know this with child stars.
That is a lot of pressure to put on someone. So,
you know, she seems so much happier here, obviously because
now she's come out as gay. And it was just
such a lovely set of photos and videos and it
just made me really happy, made me so warm and fuzzy.
So I'm sure we'll see all of the wedding photos
(06:53):
in Vogue later on in the year, but it was
a Great Snake Peeka Nana. Okay, so this is the
romance that nobody really saw coming. But the rumors between
Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson dating have been solating and
going back and forth for like almost a year now now.
(07:15):
Back in September, Lee Neeson was doing some press and
he was talking about filming The Naked Gun and how
he said he was deeply in love with Pamela Anderson.
And then as the press tour went on, which was
sort of earlier on this year, basically the rumors were
saying that they're together, they're in love, they were really
(07:35):
touching feely. Pamela Anderson's kissing Liam on the cheek, and
it was just this sort of back and forth of
are they or aren't they? Then it starts to come
out that this is a really big PR stunt. So
apparently someone told TMZ that they were very aware that
this was a PR stunt. Another source said, no, I've
(07:57):
seen them kissing on the red carpet somewhere. No, I've
seen them holding hands. And it is just this like
sauces sources sources, which we know is sometimes very complicated
when you don't hear anything official from their parties, you know,
publicity teams. You just hear Sauce says this. Sauce says that,
but I think that they are together.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh why do you think that?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Because I want it to be that way.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, I think, I mean, whether they were together or not,
they certainly wanted people to think that during the press cycle.
I think just because of like like if you see
the videos and then walking onto the red car, but
they'd be chatting naturally, but once they get in front
of the cameras there would be a bit more touchy
feeling and kissy that sort of stuff, which I guess
is fair because you want you don't want rooms to
start that you hate each other. And then then we're
(08:43):
doing all their sit down interviews. They would use a
lot of a language that would allude to it. But
then Liam Neeson himself would get very angry in interviewers
who asked them if they were directly together. But I
think why people felt so angry and betrayed afterwards is
that it came out that they haven't seen each other,
Like they filmed the movie, they didn't see each other
until the press tour, and now they haven't seen each
(09:03):
other since. And it's that lack of like photos or
like people knowing that they've been in different cities that
they have been a part is why people think that
they're not together anymore and feeling very angry about it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't know why people are angry, but I mean, again,
I just it's so hard to know why would they
do it as a PR stunt because the movie's done
very well.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The movie has done well, and the thing is, like,
I just think that people think PR stunts happen way
more than they actually do. But this is kind of
has all the hallmarks of a classic PR stunt.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I think sometimes when you.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Can spot a fake as and you can spot people
who are really in love and not just doing a
PR stunt, if they stay together long after the movie's finished,
or if they're like they're family and kids are involved
in stuff like that. Like I always find out while
that people would think that two celebrities would stay together,
travel together, have photos of their family together just to
(09:59):
promote a movie they finish working on, when if you
know half these celebs, like they'll barely do a press
to her, Like they get angry about having to sit
in a room for half a day and get paid
a million dollars, So they're not doing that for a
movie that they're not invested in.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I think with Liam and Pamela.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Like the stakes for this movie were so high, Like
in a way, the Naked Gun was one of the
most important movies of the year because what we can
tell from how the box office is going now is
that Hollywood's really given up on comedy movies and comedy
releases in the cinemas and they've become something that only
go to streaming. So the Naked Gun was a really
(10:32):
big swing of bringing out this comedy movie and like, yes,
it's got ip that has fans, but I'm going to
go out an a legend say, like a lot of
consumers aren't huge Naked Gun fans that they would like
be flocking to the cinemas just to see that. So
the Pamela and Liam's side of it of people becoming
absolutely obsessed with their relationship before the movie helped the
(10:54):
movie do really well.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I also think so the original Naked Gun was in
eighty eight and it's Leslie Nielsen. It's like it was
a bit of a cult hit, yes, and quite iconic.
So the fact that it was a remake and someone
like Liam Neeson who hasn't traditionally been a comedy person,
but recently we've seen him doing these like more comedic
sketches and I think he actually does that comedy role
(11:20):
very very well. And then pam Anderson, you know, she
hasn't done a lot of film work recently either, So again,
the two of them in this movie, maybe it would
have shocked a few people seeing just a cover for it.
But you know, I haven't seen the movie yet, which
I'm actually quite excited to watch it, but the trailer's hilarious.
(11:41):
I think Liam's very funny, and I think, yes, the
roomors about them having a relationship would definitely have added
publicity around the movie.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, Like it ended up doing quite well, and I
think it's one of those movies, Like there's been so
many movies that have tanked so badly this year, even
with really big stars, and it's all to do with
the press run and it's all to do now with
getting people to a cinema as the hardest.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Thing I know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So many people said to me, like I cannot believe
that Liam Nethan and also Pamela Anderson, like where they
are with their careers, the fact they've been famous for
decades that they would be the ones to lead into
a pr stunt.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But when you look at the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
They had worked really hard on this movie and that
their earnings were tied to how well it did the
box office, it was almost like a bridesmaid situation where
other studios are holding their comedy releases to kind of
see how The Naked Gun did, and that will set
the tone for like if comedies go to keep going
to these big screen releases, kind of like how when
Bridesmaids came out at the time, the director Paul fig
(12:38):
told me that all these studios were waiting to see
how that would do, to see if they would greenlight
their movies, to see if a female led comedy, which
seems whild to say now, could make money. And so
The Naked Gun is kind of that of twenty twenty five,
So I feel like they would do it for the money.
Also in saying that maybe they are madly in love
and they're just not showing it. Like this week, actually,
I was on this podcast saying that Scooter Braun and
(12:59):
Sidney Sweeney were definitely not together, and then today People
magazine has reported that they are dating, so who knows
what these crazy sleds are doing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I would really like to see them together. I think
that they are a great little match. And I also
am very excited to see more great comedies. I feel
like we've really lost good quality comedy in recent years.
You know, we had a great run of them in
this of twenty twenty tens, and it's been a while
since we've had laugh out loud, great comedic CineMAA naa.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So I think it's not crazy to go out in
a limon say that. It's been a pretty tough year
for Katie Perry. And what's really kind of interesting but
mostly sad about that is that at the start of
this year, this did feel like it was going to
be her year. Like she was talking about how madly
in love she was with the Orlando Bloom and how
happy they were together. When she did interviews at the
(13:53):
top of the year, she was talking about how much
she was loving being a mother to Daisy Dove Bloom.
But also she was releasing this highly anticipated new album,
and Katy Perry fans for which most of us have
been fans of her for like well over a decade now,
were so excited for this new release. She was winning
these Lifetime Achievement awards. People knew she was going on
a tour like it all should have been her year,
(14:16):
and then things kind of quickly fell apart because her
first single, Woman's World, got absolutely trashed, both the song
and the video clip with Your Fan.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, And I think it was just because a lot
of people just said it was just so out of touch.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I didn't hate at the time, Like when I
first heard the song, I was a bit jarred because
I thought and I got to hear it before everyone else,
because I went to a little listening party and I
did like it, but it just wasn't the sound I
was expecting from her. But the more I listened to it,
the more I kind of got into it just felt
like a boppy song that should be playing in the
background of a movie or something like that. And then
the video clip it was very heavy handed with women like, uh,
(14:52):
you know the best that sort of vibe like it
was heavy handed, but a lot of time had been
spent on all the little details and all the little
nods and all the little facts and stuff, and I
thought like it was maybe unfairly trashed a little bit
and then when the album came out that was also trashed.
But I think like things really turned to her. Well,
Space Adventure really didn't help.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I was going to say, so, I think where people
really turned on her was this Blue Origin flight, which
was universally panned by almost highlight.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, I'm happy that happened.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I loved watching it was very entertaining, but you know,
her kissing the ground and it was so over the top,
and I think it was in the same vein as
the music video where she's really trying to push this
like feminism and internet but and then it kind of
goes the other way. Is almost trying too hard to
push that narrative.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She just really misread the room on that one, and
we've all done it. Like, I think she thought that
she was going to be seen as this like iconic
feminist icon for going to space, So she had all
these little bits prepared, the bit of like, yeah, kissing
the ground, talking at being in love, holding up a
daisy which was for her daughter. So I feel like
I shouldn't shit on her too much for that, but
also being in space and announcing the setlist for her
Lifetime tours when she held it to the camera.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, I mean I actually loved the daisy. I thought
the daisy was cute, but holding up her set list
really gave me the yck.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean, she's a marketing girl at heart, like that
was the important thing.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
However, all of this criticism has been proven very very wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yes, because all that happened and the backlash was quite intense,
but I feel like the real hurtful backlash for her
caine when she started doing her Lifetimes tour, which people
thought was a rip off the Era's Tour, which I
also thought was unfair because it's not uncommon for musicians
who have been famous for so long, have had so
many albums and hit songs, it's not uncommon for them
at one stage of their career to do a greatest
(16:45):
Hits tour, which is what she was doing. But then
videos from the concerts started trending in a really bad way,
showing her performance being bad, showing that people weren't coming
to the concerts, people were engaging with her, and basically
making this mockery of who she was and everything about
her was branded as a failure. From her album release
(17:05):
to her tour, and recently it's come out that the
tour wasn't as bad as people said. So she's already
sold one point one million tickets and grow smaller than
eighty million dollars in sales. This is her management has
given all of this information to Billboard. This expos a
kind of saying like, here you go saying that the
shows were like completely sold out mostly across the board,
(17:26):
and money that she's made, which is over the estimate
of what they thought she was going to make, doesn't
even include her next stops in like Latin America, Europe,
and China, where she'll sell even more tickets. So basically
they're saying after like, you saw the online criticism, but
what you didn't see was all the fans actually turning
out and selling out all her concerts to I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's really interesting and that must be just so satisfying
for her to be like if you look at this,
so also, it's gross eighty million in ticket sales gross,
So obviously she's got to pay everybody and do all
that stuff. But to have sold out all of those
shows that she's basically only halfway through this lifetime's tour,
to have sold all of those tickets and people are
(18:09):
enjoying it, and maybe at the beginning she was just
trying to get the hang of it a little bit,
and some of the costumes may have been cheesy, but
that isn't that White people love going to these big,
spectacular concerts, like you want to see a spectacle, you
want to be entertained. That is the part of going
to these big pop shows. I understand that there was
that criticism. I'm not the huge as Katy Perry fan,
(18:31):
although Raw has had a lot of air time in
my house at the moment because my four year old
is obsessed with it. It's a great song and I
now am finding myself singing it very, very loudly. But
I mean, I think it is just a really big
fe you to people and a great redemption art for her,
and I'm happy for her, especially after her divorce with
(18:53):
Orlando Bloom, well separation with Orlando Bloom, and she's able
to kind of revel in this success a little bit.
And it reminds me a lot of Rachel Zegler, who
after Snow White and all of that really bad public backlae.
So she's announced a one night only tour on October
(19:15):
fifth at the London Palladian theatre. It's a solo show,
and this is off the back of the immense success
as her role as Eva Perone in Evita. Now critics
absolutely adore her performance in this. The run is only
till September six, so it's just about to finish. So
I think after the success of that, they've gone, let's
(19:37):
give her this one night only show. We don't have
tickets on sale yet, but I'm sure that they will
sell out. But it's amazing to see how after all
of the backlash of Snow White people really disliking the
way that she handled the press, you know, her sarcasm,
the way that the Snow White movie, which just was
really panned, really affected her. But again, she's had this
(20:01):
massive redemption arc. And I think it's because she's gone
back to her theater roots. This is where she shines.
You know, she did Westside Story. She is an in
singer and showing people that she can perform on stage
and do this. I think this is like the perfect
redemption arc for her. And it's very, very similar to
this Katy Perry redemption arc.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting when I was
reading these reports about Katy Perry and again like it.
It's obviously incredible that she sold out, but for someone
of her like stature, it shouldn't be a big headline.
But also for someone like Rachel Zeglar, like the fact
that she's selling out all these shows is kind of
in line with where her fame is. But what I
thought was interesting when I was reading all these reports
is that the reports of these two women when they
(20:45):
were in the thick of like their like quote unquote downfalls,
those headlines were just absolutely saturated. Like you couldn't go
onto any entertainment site or new site without seeing articles
about like the fall of Katy Perry. You couldn't go
anywhere online without seeing articles about the downfall of Rachel
Zegler and how much people hated her and those two
(21:06):
narratives this year burned so hot and bright for so long,
and then when their success is at a really heightened
place and some of those stories get disproven, those stories
barely make the headlines, like these hidden stories. I think
it also is very similar to Jennifer Lopez, Like when
she announced her Big Greatest Hits tour, there was a
(21:26):
lot of talk that the tickets were selling really badly,
and then when she started shutting down shows. There were
all these rumors that were sort of never challenged at
the time that it was ticket sales that had closed
the shows down, and they're like, how embarrassing for this
woman who's been famous for nearly three decades that she
can't fill her concerts, And then it came out later
(21:46):
is because she was in the throes of her divorce
from Ben Affleck in the separation, and now she's been
doing that tour in so many countries and all those
tickets are sold out. But I don't think anyone's again
saying that. So the story still is that Jennifer Lopez
is a failure, whereas statistically she's not.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I know, but I think people just love and we
know this, like you write articles every single day. You
know what sells, and I'm the ones that are like
a little bit more click baity are going to.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh yeah, nothing does badles, nothing does better for traffic
on not just outside but any side. And you can
just see how algorithm's working. You can see which video
is and tiktoks and things get the most hits, Like
nothing does better online than the story of a famous,
previously beloved woman having some sort of a downfall or
being in trouble or something happening to her. It's why
(22:36):
the Blake Lively story has taken off in such a
huge way this year as well, Like people would be
less invested if that was a different actress, Like we
just we love the downfall of a golden girl more
than anything else.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Isn't that just the most sad reflection of our society,
of the way that we like. I mean, look, I'm
guilty of this too. I was on the I don't
like Blake Lively. I don't really like Katie Perry. I remember,
like j Lo, it infiltrates your mind and it's really
hard to kind of remove yourself from that. But it's
a really sad thing that we can't just be like,
(23:07):
you know what, sometimes people make mistakes, Like with rachel'
saiv she was twenty two when she did snow White.
Maybe the way that she was trying to describe it
and all of that was her trying to kind of
be joky and funny and it just didn't really translate.
Maybe with Katie Perry, she did think she was doing
something really wonderful, and j Lo maybe she can't sing,
(23:28):
but she still looks amazing and is a beautiful she
came on me. Now, haven't you heard all those rumors
about how everything is, Like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, I know, I know she sings to a recording,
but every singer does. But I still think she and
she's like so good life, Like oh I would, yes,
I would say that, Like it's just you know again,
this is how these kind of story stuff. But again
on the whole like downfall of a golden Girl thing,
you're saying that you're fascinated by that, and like I
am too, like I'm not getting my high horse saying
that I'm above it all. Like there is something like
intoxicating and scandalous when you hear someone who was previously
(23:59):
so beloved, who has previously done everything right, who has
been the top of the world. There is this kind
of like almost like fun gossipy side when something bad
happens to them or people are saying bad things, like
it's terrible to say, but for all of us, it's
much more alluring than just like a male celebrity who's
knowing to be a bit problematic or knowing to be
badly behaved and a bad story comes out about them,
(24:22):
and you're like, well, that's fine, Like I don't feel
like I need I don't need to know that story
because I suspected. But when something comes out about someone
who previously felt untouchable, especially if they're a Golden Girl,
it does feel more like alytic to talk about.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And that every time you say every time you say
Golden Girls, I just keep thinking about Betty White. So
I know what you're talking about. But I just keep
getting like Betty White in my head every time you
say Golden Girls. Yeah, but I do love a redemption
arc like this makes me happy if we can have
the downfall to have that entertainment. Let's give a little
bit more like audience for the up because I love
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the up.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I actually have been really obsessed with the Rachel's redemption arc.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I'm for a a long time.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Because I actually just don't think she did anything wrong.
And I say that, maybe I'm the only person in
the world who likes snow White when I say that,
as I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who wrote
a good review of snow White when he came out.
I think the song that she sung in that movie
is going to be my top Spotify song for theear.
I listened to it all the time, but I just
don't feel that the punishment fit the crime for what
she did of saying that it was a bit weird
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that he kissed snow White in the original movie because
it was, well it was. We don't have to go
back and pick a part history. But like when the
girl didn't say anything wrong, we don't.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But I honestly, my biggest thing about this was I
just think she wasn't media trained enough, and I just
think it came out wrong and people ran with it.
But I'm really happy for her. Her singing Inner Vader
is breathtaking, absolutely breath She has a phenomenal voice. So
this particular one night show I think will one hundred
(25:55):
percent sell out.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
So I'm loving all of these Redemption tours for all
these women. At the moment, I just only wish they
were being talked about more.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That's my only wish.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
We're talking about Laura. We're going to be the pioneers
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From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop
culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassania Lukitch and
coming up on the show today, people were devastated and
betrayed when they found out that Liam Neeson and Pamela
Anderson had potentially been faking their romance for pr We've
had some new developments for the story, so we're going
to jump into that. Plus, this year, Katie Perry has
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been one of the most hated women in the world,
but she's had a little redemption arc that no one
is talking about and we're going to get into that.
But first a little romance to kick us off.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love a little bit of romance.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So over the weekend, it was announced that actress Chloe
Grace Moretz had married her long term partner Kate Harrison,
and this news came via Vogue in a beautiful spread
of the two now wives both having their dress fitting
with Louis Vuton. So, Chloe, who's an actress I feel like,
has just been on our screens.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Like I can't even remember. The first time I saw
her was probably in Kick Us.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, that was kind of Yeah, that was like her
big breakout role. She was like thirteen at the time
when Kick Us came out, and she's just been a
real constant. Yes, you know, always working, always doing something,
but not like a super super duper a lista, but
we know she's there. She's always working.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, she was a huge child actor and then did
a lot of comedy movies and things like Bad Neighbors Too,
that sort of thing, a lot of those kind of
like teen movies, those like dystopied action movies like The
Fifth Wave, did some like stuff with Johnny Depp and
like Dark Shadows. I think her Laters show The Peripheral
was her last kind.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Of big role.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But yeah, has always been around since she was a child,
and she encaged only announced their engagement I think it
was just over a year ago, but they've been together
forenderly seven years, but just keeping their relationship out of
the spotlight. So the first we heard of this wedding
was Vogue sharing these videos of the two now wives
going into Louis Vaton studio because.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
They were having both their bridal.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Looks to walk down the aisle done and their after
party looks, and they wanted to keep that little bit
of tradition of not seeing each other's dresses or looks
or anything until they were walking down the aisle.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I was really keep watching the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Vogue video and seeing it the sort of camera go
between the two rooms where they were both getting their
dresses made secretly.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, So Nicholas Gascaire did both of the looks for
They both had two looks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Age.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Chloe's first look was this beautiful powder bloom. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It just feels like me, you know, it feels like
an extension of what I would have always hoped for.
And I think, like I never really envisioned a wedding
dress in my mind growing up, and so when we
started talking about what that would look like, I knew
immediately that I wanted to do something non traditional, you know,
and not wear white and kind of have it feel different.
(03:04):
And I think it really does. You guys, you're maybe cry,
oh wow, It's so perfect.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm obsessed with it. Like, I don't think I've ever
seen like a powder blue bridal gown before. But she
even had a blue veil. Yeah, I just think she
looked so beautiful and so happy. And then Kate was
a little bit more traditional with like a sort of
strapless embroidered beaded gown. But I think this is obviously
they're going to do all of the wedding photos. I'll
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do a Vogue spread when that comes out. But yeah,
just stunning seeing that little snake peak of them sort
of really loved up, even though they weren't in the
room together, that you could just see how excited they were.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, it was because Chloe she is a fashion girl,
but not one of those fashion girlies who sort of
I guess like everyone copies her looks and things.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's more under the radar.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And that blue dress is because one of the first
times she worked with Louis Vuitton, they did a bit
of a blue for her for this dress that she
wore to an event, and she said, I was never
the girl who pictured at a wedding dress, but I
always thought like, if I was going to have a
really special dress, it would be in that blue.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It was kind of like Elsa because it had like
it was like straight down with the ruffles and the
blue veil. It was kind of like Elsa from Frozen
meets Cinderella, but like in a cool girl fashion way,
and then she had a cowboy hat for the after party.
I might newly obsessed with them as a couple, Like
I knew they were together, but they're so private that
I just didn't have anything to latch onto in a
really parasocial way, and now I do. She had the
cowboy hat on because they love horseback riding and they
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were going to do line dancing at their reception, so
that was a little nod to that. And I'm just
so glad that this girl has found her like happily
ever after, because you know, she dated Brooklyn Beckham for
like five years, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Think she had a pretty shit time with that boy.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I think that's probably why she's kept this relationship so private,
is because her relationship with Brooklyn Beckham, which was I
think two thousand and fourteen, two thousand and ninety, so
that they did date for quite a while and there
was so much public scrutiny around it. She was constantly
being papped, and I think that kind of the way
that relationship played out. When she finally did start her
(05:07):
relationship with Kate was like, let's keep this on the
down low. She didn't even really quote unquote come out
until she endorsed Kamala Harris, but she was like it
was kind of like an open secret. She just never
felt like she needed to, yeah, acculdly come out. Yeah,
And I think it is because the Brooklyn stuff. I
mean that was when I mean, she's obviously still famous now,
but that wasn't the height of a lot of her
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movies coming out. It was when Brooklyn was starting to
be a bit of a celebrity in his own ride
and every time she talked about him publicly, which she
rarely did, but she would also refer to him as
that boy, which I think is kind of like at
the time, she kind of knew he was a bit
of a douche, like he had good intentions, but she
was sort of talking about him wanting to be a
sports player and wanting to be a chef, Like I
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think she was the first person to realize that he
had no sort of like career ambition. But yeah, they
broke up and got back together about three or four times,
and there was that time like I'm sure it's all innocent,
young love, but there was that time when he was
pictured with like a French model at a party, and
then he posted the photo and then they broke up,
and then they got back together, and then she spoke
about him publicly for the first time on Watch What
(06:10):
Happened Live, and then they broke up again. It was
one of those things where it's like just in this
cycle where they couldn't break out of it, and every
time they had to break up, the headlines went everywhere.
From what I can tell, she does seem to be
more of a private person, and as we know, she's
been on screen since she was like thirteen. You know,
she says that these perhaps all of this media attention
gave her a lot of anxiety because as you're growing up,
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you're going through puberty. We know this with child stars.
That is a lot of pressure to put on someone. So,
you know, she seems so much happier here, obviously because
now she's come out as gay. And it was just
such a lovely set of photos and videos and it
just made me really happy, made me so warm and fuzzy.
So I'm sure we'll see all of the wedding photos
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in Vogue later on in the year, but it was
a Great Snake Peeka Nana. Okay, so this is the
romance that nobody really saw coming. But the rumors between
Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson dating have been solating and
going back and forth for like almost a year now now.
(07:15):
Back in September, Lee Neeson was doing some press and
he was talking about filming The Naked Gun and how
he said he was deeply in love with Pamela Anderson.
And then as the press tour went on, which was
sort of earlier on this year, basically the rumors were
saying that they're together, they're in love, they were really
(07:35):
touching feely. Pamela Anderson's kissing Liam on the cheek, and
it was just this sort of back and forth of
are they or aren't they? Then it starts to come
out that this is a really big PR stunt. So
apparently someone told TMZ that they were very aware that
this was a PR stunt. Another source said, no, I've
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seen them kissing on the red carpet somewhere. No, I've
seen them holding hands. And it is just this like
sauces sources sources, which we know is sometimes very complicated
when you don't hear anything official from their parties, you know,
publicity teams. You just hear Sauce says this. Sauce says that,
but I think that they are together.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh why do you think that?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Because I want it to be that way.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, I think, I mean, whether they were together or not,
they certainly wanted people to think that during the press cycle.
I think just because of like like if you see
the videos and then walking onto the red car, but
they'd be chatting naturally, but once they get in front
of the cameras there would be a bit more touchy
feeling and kissy that sort of stuff, which I guess
is fair because you want you don't want rooms to
start that you hate each other. And then then we're
(08:43):
doing all their sit down interviews. They would use a
lot of a language that would allude to it. But
then Liam Neeson himself would get very angry in interviewers
who asked them if they were directly together. But I
think why people felt so angry and betrayed afterwards is
that it came out that they haven't seen each other,
Like they filmed the movie, they didn't see each other
until the press tour, and now they haven't seen each
(09:03):
other since. And it's that lack of like photos or
like people knowing that they've been in different cities that
they have been a part is why people think that
they're not together anymore and feeling very angry about it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't know why people are angry, but I mean, again,
I just it's so hard to know why would they
do it as a PR stunt because the movie's done
very well.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The movie has done well, and the thing is, like,
I just think that people think PR stunts happen way
more than they actually do. But this is kind of
has all the hallmarks of a classic PR stunt.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I think sometimes when you.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Can spot a fake as and you can spot people
who are really in love and not just doing a
PR stunt, if they stay together long after the movie's finished,
or if they're like they're family and kids are involved
in stuff like that. Like I always find out while
that people would think that two celebrities would stay together,
travel together, have photos of their family together just to
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promote a movie they finish working on, when if you
know half these celebs, like they'll barely do a press
to her, Like they get angry about having to sit
in a room for half a day and get paid
a million dollars, So they're not doing that for a
movie that they're not invested in.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I think with Liam and Pamela.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Like the stakes for this movie were so high, Like
in a way, the Naked Gun was one of the
most important movies of the year because what we can
tell from how the box office is going now is
that Hollywood's really given up on comedy movies and comedy
releases in the cinemas and they've become something that only
go to streaming. So the Naked Gun was a really
(10:32):
big swing of bringing out this comedy movie and like, yes,
it's got ip that has fans, but I'm going to
go out an a legend say, like a lot of
consumers aren't huge Naked Gun fans that they would like
be flocking to the cinemas just to see that. So
the Pamela and Liam's side of it of people becoming
absolutely obsessed with their relationship before the movie helped the
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movie do really well.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I also think so the original Naked Gun was in
eighty eight and it's Leslie Nielsen. It's like it was
a bit of a cult hit, yes, and quite iconic.
So the fact that it was a remake and someone
like Liam Neeson who hasn't traditionally been a comedy person,
but recently we've seen him doing these like more comedic
sketches and I think he actually does that comedy role
(11:20):
very very well. And then pam Anderson, you know, she
hasn't done a lot of film work recently either, So again,
the two of them in this movie, maybe it would
have shocked a few people seeing just a cover for it.
But you know, I haven't seen the movie yet, which
I'm actually quite excited to watch it, but the trailer's hilarious.
(11:41):
I think Liam's very funny, and I think, yes, the
roomors about them having a relationship would definitely have added
publicity around the movie.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, Like it ended up doing quite well, and I
think it's one of those movies, Like there's been so
many movies that have tanked so badly this year, even
with really big stars, and it's all to do with
the press run and it's all to do now with
getting people to a cinema as the hardest.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Thing I know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So many people said to me, like I cannot believe
that Liam Nethan and also Pamela Anderson, like where they
are with their careers, the fact they've been famous for
decades that they would be the ones to lead into
a pr stunt.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But when you look at the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
They had worked really hard on this movie and that
their earnings were tied to how well it did the
box office, it was almost like a bridesmaid situation where
other studios are holding their comedy releases to kind of
see how The Naked Gun did, and that will set
the tone for like if comedies go to keep going
to these big screen releases, kind of like how when
Bridesmaids came out at the time, the director Paul fig
(12:38):
told me that all these studios were waiting to see
how that would do, to see if they would greenlight
their movies, to see if a female led comedy, which
seems whild to say now, could make money. And so
The Naked Gun is kind of that of twenty twenty five,
So I feel like they would do it for the money.
Also in saying that maybe they are madly in love
and they're just not showing it. Like this week, actually,
I was on this podcast saying that Scooter Braun and
(12:59):
Sidney Sweeney were definitely not together, and then today People
magazine has reported that they are dating, so who knows
what these crazy sleds are doing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I would really like to see them together. I think
that they are a great little match. And I also
am very excited to see more great comedies. I feel
like we've really lost good quality comedy in recent years.
You know, we had a great run of them in
this of twenty twenty tens, and it's been a while
since we've had laugh out loud, great comedic CineMAA naa.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So I think it's not crazy to go out in
a limon say that. It's been a pretty tough year
for Katie Perry. And what's really kind of interesting but
mostly sad about that is that at the start of
this year, this did feel like it was going to
be her year. Like she was talking about how madly
in love she was with the Orlando Bloom and how
happy they were together. When she did interviews at the
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top of the year, she was talking about how much
she was loving being a mother to Daisy Dove Bloom.
But also she was releasing this highly anticipated new album,
and Katy Perry fans for which most of us have
been fans of her for like well over a decade now,
were so excited for this new release. She was winning
these Lifetime Achievement awards. People knew she was going on
a tour like it all should have been her year,
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and then things kind of quickly fell apart because her
first single, Woman's World, got absolutely trashed, both the song
and the video clip with Your Fan.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, And I think it was just because a lot
of people just said it was just so out of touch.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I didn't hate at the time, Like when I
first heard the song, I was a bit jarred because
I thought and I got to hear it before everyone else,
because I went to a little listening party and I
did like it, but it just wasn't the sound I
was expecting from her. But the more I listened to it,
the more I kind of got into it just felt
like a boppy song that should be playing in the
background of a movie or something like that. And then
the video clip it was very heavy handed with women like, uh,
(14:52):
you know the best that sort of vibe like it
was heavy handed, but a lot of time had been
spent on all the little details and all the little
nods and all the little facts and stuff, and I
thought like it was maybe unfairly trashed a little bit
and then when the album came out that was also trashed.
But I think like things really turned to her. Well,
Space Adventure really didn't help.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I was going to say, so, I think where people
really turned on her was this Blue Origin flight, which
was universally panned by almost highlight.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, I'm happy that happened.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I loved watching it was very entertaining, but you know,
her kissing the ground and it was so over the top,
and I think it was in the same vein as
the music video where she's really trying to push this
like feminism and internet but and then it kind of
goes the other way. Is almost trying too hard to
push that narrative.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She just really misread the room on that one, and
we've all done it. Like, I think she thought that
she was going to be seen as this like iconic
feminist icon for going to space, So she had all
these little bits prepared, the bit of like, yeah, kissing
the ground, talking at being in love, holding up a
daisy which was for her daughter. So I feel like
I shouldn't shit on her too much for that, but
also being in space and announcing the setlist for her
Lifetime tours when she held it to the camera.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, I mean I actually loved the daisy. I thought
the daisy was cute, but holding up her set list
really gave me the yck.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean, she's a marketing girl at heart, like that
was the important thing.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
However, all of this criticism has been proven very very wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yes, because all that happened and the backlash was quite intense,
but I feel like the real hurtful backlash for her
caine when she started doing her Lifetimes tour, which people
thought was a rip off the Era's Tour, which I
also thought was unfair because it's not uncommon for musicians
who have been famous for so long, have had so
many albums and hit songs, it's not uncommon for them
at one stage of their career to do a greatest
(16:45):
Hits tour, which is what she was doing. But then
videos from the concerts started trending in a really bad way,
showing her performance being bad, showing that people weren't coming
to the concerts, people were engaging with her, and basically
making this mockery of who she was and everything about
her was branded as a failure. From her album release
(17:05):
to her tour, and recently it's come out that the
tour wasn't as bad as people said. So she's already
sold one point one million tickets and grow smaller than
eighty million dollars in sales. This is her management has
given all of this information to Billboard. This expos a
kind of saying like, here you go saying that the
shows were like completely sold out mostly across the board,
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and money that she's made, which is over the estimate
of what they thought she was going to make, doesn't
even include her next stops in like Latin America, Europe,
and China, where she'll sell even more tickets. So basically
they're saying after like, you saw the online criticism, but
what you didn't see was all the fans actually turning
out and selling out all her concerts to I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's really interesting and that must be just so satisfying
for her to be like if you look at this,
so also, it's gross eighty million in ticket sales gross,
So obviously she's got to pay everybody and do all
that stuff. But to have sold out all of those
shows that she's basically only halfway through this lifetime's tour,
to have sold all of those tickets and people are
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enjoying it, and maybe at the beginning she was just
trying to get the hang of it a little bit,
and some of the costumes may have been cheesy, but
that isn't that White people love going to these big,
spectacular concerts, like you want to see a spectacle, you
want to be entertained. That is the part of going
to these big pop shows. I understand that there was
that criticism. I'm not the huge as Katy Perry fan,
(18:31):
although Raw has had a lot of air time in
my house at the moment because my four year old
is obsessed with it. It's a great song and I
now am finding myself singing it very, very loudly. But
I mean, I think it is just a really big
fe you to people and a great redemption art for her,
and I'm happy for her, especially after her divorce with
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Orlando Bloom, well separation with Orlando Bloom, and she's able
to kind of revel in this success a little bit.
And it reminds me a lot of Rachel Zegler, who
after Snow White and all of that really bad public backlae.
So she's announced a one night only tour on October
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fifth at the London Palladian theatre. It's a solo show,
and this is off the back of the immense success
as her role as Eva Perone in Evita. Now critics
absolutely adore her performance in this. The run is only
till September six, so it's just about to finish. So
I think after the success of that, they've gone, let's
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give her this one night only show. We don't have
tickets on sale yet, but I'm sure that they will
sell out. But it's amazing to see how after all
of the backlash of Snow White people really disliking the
way that she handled the press, you know, her sarcasm,
the way that the Snow White movie, which just was
really panned, really affected her. But again, she's had this
(20:01):
massive redemption arc. And I think it's because she's gone
back to her theater roots. This is where she shines.
You know, she did Westside Story. She is an in
singer and showing people that she can perform on stage
and do this. I think this is like the perfect
redemption arc for her. And it's very, very similar to
this Katy Perry redemption arc.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting when I was
reading these reports about Katy Perry and again like it.
It's obviously incredible that she sold out, but for someone
of her like stature, it shouldn't be a big headline.
But also for someone like Rachel Zeglar, like the fact
that she's selling out all these shows is kind of
in line with where her fame is. But what I
thought was interesting when I was reading all these reports
is that the reports of these two women when they
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were in the thick of like their like quote unquote downfalls,
those headlines were just absolutely saturated. Like you couldn't go
onto any entertainment site or new site without seeing articles
about like the fall of Katy Perry. You couldn't go
anywhere online without seeing articles about the downfall of Rachel
Zegler and how much people hated her and those two
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narratives this year burned so hot and bright for so long,
and then when their success is at a really heightened
place and some of those stories get disproven, those stories
barely make the headlines, like these hidden stories. I think
it also is very similar to Jennifer Lopez, Like when
she announced her Big Greatest Hits tour, there was a
(21:26):
lot of talk that the tickets were selling really badly,
and then when she started shutting down shows. There were
all these rumors that were sort of never challenged at
the time that it was ticket sales that had closed
the shows down, and they're like, how embarrassing for this
woman who's been famous for nearly three decades that she
can't fill her concerts, And then it came out later
(21:46):
is because she was in the throes of her divorce
from Ben Affleck in the separation, and now she's been
doing that tour in so many countries and all those
tickets are sold out. But I don't think anyone's again
saying that. So the story still is that Jennifer Lopez
is a failure, whereas statistically she's not.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I know, but I think people just love and we
know this, like you write articles every single day. You
know what sells, and I'm the ones that are like
a little bit more click baity are going to.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh yeah, nothing does badles, nothing does better for traffic
on not just outside but any side. And you can
just see how algorithm's working. You can see which video
is and tiktoks and things get the most hits, Like
nothing does better online than the story of a famous,
previously beloved woman having some sort of a downfall or
being in trouble or something happening to her. It's why
(22:36):
the Blake Lively story has taken off in such a
huge way this year as well, Like people would be
less invested if that was a different actress, Like we
just we love the downfall of a golden girl more
than anything else.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Isn't that just the most sad reflection of our society,
of the way that we like. I mean, look, I'm
guilty of this too. I was on the I don't
like Blake Lively. I don't really like Katie Perry. I remember,
like j Lo, it infiltrates your mind and it's really
hard to kind of remove yourself from that. But it's
a really sad thing that we can't just be like,
(23:07):
you know what, sometimes people make mistakes, Like with rachel'
saiv she was twenty two when she did snow White.
Maybe the way that she was trying to describe it
and all of that was her trying to kind of
be joky and funny and it just didn't really translate.
Maybe with Katie Perry, she did think she was doing
something really wonderful, and j Lo maybe she can't sing,
(23:28):
but she still looks amazing and is a beautiful she
came on me. Now, haven't you heard all those rumors
about how everything is, Like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, I know, I know she sings to a recording,
but every singer does. But I still think she and
she's like so good life, Like oh I would, yes,
I would say that, Like it's just you know again,
this is how these kind of story stuff. But again
on the whole like downfall of a golden Girl thing,
you're saying that you're fascinated by that, and like I
am too, like I'm not getting my high horse saying
that I'm above it all. Like there is something like
intoxicating and scandalous when you hear someone who was previously
(23:59):
so beloved, who has previously done everything right, who has
been the top of the world. There is this kind
of like almost like fun gossipy side when something bad
happens to them or people are saying bad things, like
it's terrible to say, but for all of us, it's
much more alluring than just like a male celebrity who's
knowing to be a bit problematic or knowing to be
badly behaved and a bad story comes out about them,
(24:22):
and you're like, well, that's fine, Like I don't feel
like I need I don't need to know that story
because I suspected. But when something comes out about someone
who previously felt untouchable, especially if they're a Golden Girl,
it does feel more like alytic to talk about.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And that every time you say every time you say
Golden Girls, I just keep thinking about Betty White. So
I know what you're talking about. But I just keep
getting like Betty White in my head every time you
say Golden Girls. Yeah, but I do love a redemption
arc like this makes me happy if we can have
the downfall to have that entertainment. Let's give a little
bit more like audience for the up because I love
(24:57):
the up.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I actually have been really obsessed with the Rachel's redemption arc.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I'm for a a long time.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Because I actually just don't think she did anything wrong.
And I say that, maybe I'm the only person in
the world who likes snow White when I say that,
as I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who wrote
a good review of snow White when he came out.
I think the song that she sung in that movie
is going to be my top Spotify song for theear.
I listened to it all the time, but I just
don't feel that the punishment fit the crime for what
she did of saying that it was a bit weird
(25:24):
that he kissed snow White in the original movie because
it was, well it was. We don't have to go
back and pick a part history. But like when the
girl didn't say anything wrong, we don't.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But I honestly, my biggest thing about this was I
just think she wasn't media trained enough, and I just
think it came out wrong and people ran with it.
But I'm really happy for her. Her singing Inner Vader
is breathtaking, absolutely breath She has a phenomenal voice. So
this particular one night show I think will one hundred
(25:55):
percent sell out.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
So I'm loving all of these Redemption tours for all
these women. At the moment, I just only wish they
were being talked about more.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That's my only wish.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
We're talking about Laura. We're going to be the pioneers
for the Redemption Sharks. But thank you so much for
joining us today on the spill. Don't think to follow
this spill on Instagram and TikTok. We post lots of
funny stuff on there. This Spill is produced by Manisha
It's Warren with sound production by Scott Stronik. We'll see
you hear back in your podcast feed for all the
select headlines at eight am tomorrow with Morning Tea, then
(26:26):
back with another episode of the Spill at three pm.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Bye bye by
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