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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassena lu Keitt and.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Coming up on the show today. Thank god, I'm backing
off my deathbed because as I missed a few shows
last week because there's been a lot of gossip and
intrigue over the weekend from the celebrity world. We're going
to be talking about two famous movie stars and TV
stars who had a bit of a fake few that
didn't land the way they wanted. Plus a spice girl
got married and there was a lot of drama around that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, but first we are going to give you a
little bit of an update on Orlando Bloom and Katie Perry.
They have officially confirmed their split. Now, there's been a
lot of speculation around these four months, basically since kind
of April. They've kind of started speculating, but now a
representative for the two has come out and actually confirmed
(01:14):
the split. So this statement reads, Orlando and Katie have
been shifting their relationship over the past many months to
focus on co parenting. They will continue to be seen
together as a family as their shared priority is and
always will be raising their daughter with love, stability, and
mutual respect. So this statement kind of reminds me a
(01:35):
lot of the very very famous Gwyneth Paltrow Chris Martin
Conscious and Coupling back in twenty fourteen. That was like
eleven years ago now.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, and we're still talking about and Gwenda still gets
asked about all the time, and she's always really big
on saying like they didn't come up with it. It
was like a relationship professional author, like someone who I
feel bad that she doesn't get her credit for this
phrase that we all use. But they co opt into
their statement and it almost became a bigger story than
the end of their relationship.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's just an interesting way to talk about a relationship breakdown,
because in any other circumstance, every normal person doesn't have
to release a statement about their relationship ending. They just
drop off the face of an Instagram.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's a weird thing to have to do as a
public figure, Yeah, is to release a statement about your
relationship ending. So we understand that and I think the
whole the relationships and it becomes a bit tired. So
this one here shifting their relationship the past many months
to focus on co parenting. So it's like they've broken up,
(02:38):
but they're just shifting. It's an interesting turn of phrase.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, it's very telling not using the word breakup because
I guess like they don't want any kind of negative
connotation around it, and shifting is such a it's interesting.
It's a very gentle word. They've been like, it's not
that they've been in this kind of loving place together
and they've shifted all of their love into a different area.
And so I think they're trying to take the sting
out of all the breakup press because there has been
(03:05):
so much. We've been talking about it for weeks. Outlets
have been reporting on it, and it was all very
negative towards Katy Perry, which I find very unfair. That
he had had the last straw with her, antics that
he had got the ick from her and all this.
It was very hating on her.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, and look, I I'm not a massive fan of
Katy Perry's music.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh I always love Katy Perry was.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Very confused by their relationship when they first got together
like ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh really, Like I just didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Maybe because I was such a Toilando Bloom stand Well,
that's true, but you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Just feel territorial. Oh that's why I like a music.
It's all coming full circle. No, she's in a competition.
I mean a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
He's singled out any Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We're not going to go down or not.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
We are not going down the Orlando Bloom. They loving
the rabbit hole because it's just going to end badly.
I'm not a massive fan.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I never really got it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
But you know, they've been together ten years. I've got
like a four year old daughter. They seem to be
really happy, and you know, it is really sad when
any relationship comes to an end.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But you're right.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The negative press has always been around Katie, and particularly
around her crying on stage. So she she's just been
in Australia, she's just left. She's been here for her
Lifetime's tour in Adelaide on June thirty, she was recorded
crying on stage basically saying thank you for all supporting me,
and people were like, oh, she's really upset about her breakup.
(04:38):
Now I've kind of gone down this rabbit hole of
Katie Perry crying on stage and it seems to be
this like running I don't want to say joke, but
it seems to be this running thing where you know,
with Russell brand, Oh she's crying about Russell. But I
think she might just be really into her music and
be emotional because she's not just crying during breakups. There's
(05:01):
lots of the times when she's performing when she sheds
a tear, but I think like the physical exertion of
doing a tour, would you quite emotional.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think it's the times where she
gets the most presses after a breakup, and it was
really emotional watching her at that final Australian concert be
up on stage because there's been again not just the breakup,
but all the negative press we've talked about with like
she released her new song Woman's World and that got
absolutely slammed. She released the video clip and people making
fun of her, and then the space thing. But even
(05:34):
before that, this is this idea that like people didn't
want to see her concerts, which didn't turn out to
be true because I think they say soul quite well
and I think that moment where she's looking out the
crowd and everyone's on their feet screaming her name and
screaming her song lyrics. I can see how, like after
being in the industry for like decades, that that would
be such an emotional moment for you. But then also
(05:54):
we know Orlando Bloom was in Australia before he deeaded
off to the Crazy Bezos wedding, and was that their
final conversation of we're definitely ending this and that when
we'll put the announcement out, like did they have to
have one kind of face to face meeting and that's
where it all came from.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean, there's been so much speculation around this relationship.
We probably will hear more about it. But Katy Perry
is still on this Lifetime's Toour till December when she
finishes up in Abu Dhabi, so she is going to
be on tool for a while, so I'm sure we
can expect to see a few more clips of her.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I wish that they were filming, and maybe they are,
but I wish they were filming a documentary like the
last big time she was on tour, Like that whole
documentary is why we have that crying scene.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's why we have the Russell Brand yes breakdown of
their relationship. It's like she's timing her tools with the
breakdowns of her relationship, which.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Is really sad. Yeah, I know that is hard, but
I mean that moment from her documentary is so iconic.
If anyone hasn't seen the Katie predocumentary, it's well worth
a watch for the whole thing. But there's that one
moment where she's crying backstage. It's kind of inferred that
she's just got a text from Russell Brand announcing their divorce.
She walks out to go on stage. She's rising up
from under the stage to appear, and she's literally hunched
(07:04):
over sobbing uncontrollably. And then as the platform lifts her
onto stage, she just stops crying and like becomes Katie
Perry and performs. And everyone thought that she was performing
off the back of her divorce, that she just got
a text from this man that she'd been married to
saying it's over and she was heartbroken. And I always
thought that too, and I always thought it was one
of the most important moments in pop culture. I've since
(07:24):
heard from many people over the years that people have
worked with her, who have said interviews or people who've
just who were kind of around in that moment. It's
never been proven that wasn't the actual moment that she
got the divorce, that she was just really run down
and tired and hungover and that's why she was crying,
which I hate. I want.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I have so much respect for these people. Can you imagine,
you know, like you know those days and we kind
of to have it to a certain extent where if
you're feeling really tired or run down and you need
to be up and perform and we record this podcast,
even though behind the scenes we really hate each other.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Like we amount of times I've cried in this office,
that's not even like you do cry. You have cried
and have to come and do the pot It's harder
now that we're doing video, but back in the day,
the amount of pods I recorded with a red face
because something happened. Yes, you just had to do it.
We're all Katy Perry on the inside. I know.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, I'm just saying, it's like, it's really hard to
perform when you're feeling low. So I have so much
respect for these performers, even though I'm not like a
massive fan of her music and her vibe because she's
stole my husband. I do appreciate that, emotionally physically very
demanding to do a show and a tour like this.
(08:34):
Like I was looking at the schedule, it is full on.
I can't imagine how they do this. No one Justin
Bieber had a break down.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, exactly, it's rough out there.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Her tool finishes up in December. Will keep you posted.
I'm sure there's going to be so many articles over
the next few months about who they're both dating. But yeah,
we'll keep you posted, so.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Over the weekend. Spice Girl, Melanie Bee, Scary Spice mel Brown,
however you want to call her. She goes by many names.
Married Rory McPhee, who is a hair stylist specializing in
curly hair, which I find really cute.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And her hair was curly for the wedding. Oh yeah,
I wonder.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
If he did her hair. I had not seen it anywhere. No,
it would be very cute. I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
But she is wearing curly hair for her wedding.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
No little nonto him.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I think is quite cute.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So the dress was beautiful, had the beautiful and crusted
pearls and the high neck, and there's all these photos
of them smiling and laughing and looking very very happy.
So we love a celebrity wedding, but this one came
with a slight scandal, not around the couple, they seem
very happy, but around the guest list. Because anytime a
Spice Girl is involved in anything, the instant, I know,
(09:43):
she just like fell off your chair from exhausted over there.
The only thing anyone cares about is where are the
other Spice Girls? What are they saying, what are they doing,
what are they wearing.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I know that we wanted to do this story today,
but I was like, really, gud your thoughts out like
it really. I was just like, she's getting married, so
what if they're not all there? She's fifty years old.
The Spice Girls is live in the nineties. That's like
thirty years ago, I know.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But they they do hang out together every so often.
But remember I think it was like Victoria's fiftieth and
they were all on the dance floor and David Beckham's
filming them and they're singing a Spy Skirl song. See,
we have these little moments peppered through history and that's
why people care.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know, I get that, but like we don't have
to like dig deep into everything thinking it's a slight yes,
like maybe it was a small wedding, maybe they didn't
want to have everyone there, maybe they couldn't make it
like this is like how many This is probably her
second marriage, is her second marriage or.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I think it's her third.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So you know she's done this a few times before.
I don't know, maybe I'm underthinking, but I know that
you're really excited about it and you want to talk
about it. So I'm going to come along for the
rides with you.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's a strong word, but I just want to unpack
the headlines and bring my truth to the situation. So
one spy s girl was there, Emma Bunton aka Baby Spies,
who was pictured walking out of the venue, smiling, laughing,
looking very happy.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
One thing that did make me really excited was she
was wearing baby pink.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, that was really cute. She really still lives that
baby Spice lifestyle and I love that for her. So
she was walking out and looking very happy. She is
the only one who currently is like in the UK
full time at the moment, in living there, so it's
probably an easier commute from her to get to the wedding.
So Victoria Beckham wasn't there and the reasoning for that
everyone said was that she's currently overseas. Obviously she does
(11:25):
live in America and she wasn't able to get to
the UK for the wedding. She put up a congratulations
post saying she was devastated to miss it but she
loves them, did her signature little kisses At the end.
Melcy aka Sporty Spice is on tour and playing in
a music festival overseas she wasn't able to be there.
She put up also, like you know, a tribute and
was commenting on the posts and was all in it.
(11:47):
So it seems really lovely and it's yeah again one
of those things where maybe it was a smaller wedding,
unlike Victoria's birthday, which might have been planned ten years
in advance. Maybe it was a bit spur of the moment.
We don't know. But the drama comes from the fact
that Jerry Halliwell aka Ginger Spias was not there, even
though at the moment I think she just split her time.
But she is in the UK quite.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Often yet so there's a bit of law behind Ginger
and Melby, which goes back to Melby saying that Ginger
and her like hooked up back when the Spice Girls
first started, and then Ginger got really upset about that,
and now there's like a weird rift between them.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I mean it, it's been bumpy over the years.
They were the ones who always if you read The
Spice Girl's unauthorized biography, which I got from the book
fair in grade five, and I think even though it's unauthorized,
everything that's come out of it so far has been
true that they were the ones when they girl group
was first put together, who clashed the most and who
had the kind of firish relationship but was still close.
And then when Jerry left the Spice Girls, that was
(12:49):
the most shocking day of my life. I still remember, yeah,
I yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Even though I was a bit critical when we first started,
I do really I did really love the Spice Girl. Yeah,
I remember making up dancers. I was always baby Spices,
like I am a Stan But yes, when Ginger left,
it was just such a yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And Melby was apparently the one that took it the hardest,
and there was a lot of rebuilding over the years,
and yes, when she came out and said that they
hooked up, she said, Jerry's not gonna like this, and
apparently Jerry didn't. The interesting thing too, is that since
Jerry married her like very very wealthy husband, she is
very much transitioned into this like lady of the manor
UK kind of persona, Like she only wears white and cream.
(13:30):
She's always like done up really beautifully. She can sort
of be seen like taking a stroll through London. She's
a lady who lunches now, so she has more than
any of them. She has pushed her spice girl persona
so far away, So I don't know, is there something there.
I think it's more likely that she just couldn't make
it well.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, But I also think, like, why would Melby lie
about something like.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That about them hooking up? Yeah, Oh no, I don't
think that's a lie at all.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think that why was Ginger upset?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I think she was just upset that they hadn't talked
about it for decades and they'd always laughed it off
as a joke, and then one day on a talk
show she just set it offhand.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, I think she said to Morgan.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah, yes, the worst person to say it to.
And I think also maybe wouldn't have Again, I'm putting
a lot of parasocial relationships onto these women, but that's
where we are as millennial women. We grow up with them.
I think maybe she would have cared less back in
their like pop star days, but now that she has
sort of pulled back from public life and it's very
much like I'm a wife and a mother and she's
(14:25):
very much in that kind of posh uk set that
she would have hated all the head because those world
wide headlines for weeks over that. So, but they've been
pictured together a lot since, so I actually don't think
that their rift is from that. If there's a rift
at all.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I know, I know. Look, I think it's a bit
of a like sometimes I think it just becomes a
bit of a reach. I understand why people are so fascinated.
I love the Spice Girls. I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You know, Victoria Beckham.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Is still up there with one of my all time
favorite interviews, Like, I adore her. You know, I'm really
glad that Melby seems very happy now, particularly considering her
past relationship with Stephen Bellefonte. You know, she's actually got
an MBA now for her domestic violence advocacy.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
She's been so open about all her trauma, of all
her relationships over the years, and she also just seems
like someone who just loves love, Like she when she
had her first wedding, there was this like big, opulent partied.
When she married Jimmy Golzalis I think his name was,
was a dancer, and that was a huge thing, and
she was so in love with him for many years.
And then she was with Stephen Bellafonte for over ten
(15:29):
years and they had a daughter called Madison together And
it wasn't until after that marriage ended and she wrote
her memoir and all of these allegations came out, and
she ended up moving back in with her mother and
sort of living in the spare bedroom of her mom's
like tiny retirement cottage, and had lost all her like
spic skills, money and everything in this relationship. And I
(15:49):
think it was even more so than money, she said,
it was just the loss of self. She's like, I
feel like such a failure because I was all about
girl power and I screamed that the loudest and then
out of all of you know, and then after all
of that, I was the one who was trapped in
this relationship by man for many years. It's really heartbreaking.
I know that Stephen Bollafonte has come out and said
it's not true.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And it's really interesting that she says the low of
self because that I think can happen to any woman,
even if you are someone who is as strong and
successful as Melby, you know, in this girl power phase,
it can happen to anyone. Oh yeah, to be caught
up in these really difficult relationships. But yes, she looks
(16:29):
very happy. I absolutely loved Rory mcpee's Scottish tartan.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh. Yes, he's wearing a kilt. She's wearing a kid.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I love a man in a kilt on their wedding.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I know. I feel like we're really like building this up,
but it's just as we want her to be so happy,
especially because after the whole Steven situation, her past breakup,
she had a few other relationships that were very tumultuous,
and then she had this like love affair with Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And there was like the paternity thing with and then Eddie.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Murphy and Melby tell different sides of this. But her side,
which I kind of believe a little bit more. But
her side is that they had this wild love affair,
she got pregnant, he was like, I want nothing to
do with you, and that child's not mine, and she
really wanted him to claim their daughter, which fair enough,
and so she ended up getting the courts to get
him to undergo a paternity test. And the daughter, whose
(17:17):
name I believe is angel Iris, which is a great name,
is his child, his tenth or eleventh child.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, so he's got ten kids. Like this man does
not like to wear a condom yea yeah, like easy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And the when he's saying to this one girl, sorry,
you're not mine, it's like, come on, guy, if you're
gonna sleep around, yeah, mate, look after the children.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Take responsibility for her stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah exactly. And so many people are like, oh, Melby's
just trying to get Edvie mercy with money, And I'm like, one,
if he is the father of that child that he is,
legally he should be he should provide for her, even
if like obviously Melby had her own money again by then.
But it's more so that when you listen to Melby,
that's all I can refer to her as miss Melby.
Is that when you listen to her talk about this
in interview, she was just like, I just had to
(17:57):
fight for my daughter to have her father recognize her
publicly and to have his name on the birth certificate
and be able to say, like, that's your dad without
it being this big. It's like when Liz Hurley was
pregnant with her son Damien, and his father was like, no, no,
it's something to do with me, and they had a
paternity test and she was like, I just wanted my
son to be able to claim his father's name. Especially
because we're all in the public eye. You can't can't help,
(18:19):
but people speculate.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's very Maripovich. Yeah, I could go on forever. I
could do a deep dive on men who have this
like obsession with spreading their siege, the amount of men
who are just out there like with like a million children.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Nick Cannon, Yeah, I can remember all his kids' names.
He got asked other day and he blanked after like
five or six.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Honestly, I could do a massive deep dive. Right, There's
gotta be some psychological reason behind. Maybe it's like the
lizard brain coming out just wanting to just spread it around,
spread it around.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Anyway, we're toping again anyway, beautiful wedding, loved the curly hair,
love the tartan. Hope that Ginger Spice posts something or
says something, so you can put this few ter rests
because people are still hold which I just don't think
is ever gonna happen. People are still holding up for
a spy skills a year.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I want settle with them just being all in the
same room together. And she's singing like back in the
day that's cannot sing nob is the best thing right
of all? Mel doesn't say, Melsie, she got the highest
score again, then authoris biography, she got the highest score
in there in the first audition for singing, and.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
No, no, she is by far, like, by far the
best singer. You can listen to all of the like
original stuff and she is by far the best singer.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, any glad we solved that. Okay, So
the news is that Penn Badgeley aka Dan from Gossip
Girl and Megan Fahey from The Ball Type and The
White Lotus and many other things. But she'll always be
sudden to me, are allegedly in a fut Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
My god, I know what is this feud? Do they
hate each other? That is the.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Reaction they wanted, but not the reaction they got. So
this has been an evolving story over the last couple
of days, and it started when Penn Badgeley, who again
is on the TV show U Netflix. He also has
a podcast. He's very much like trying to keep spirital
eye there, put up this video. Okay, so I don't
usually do this, but I my wife and I redis finished. Sirens. Okay, sirens.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Want to give her flowers.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Now, obviously there's Julianne as Kevin, there's Millie, but this
this Meghan Fahi, this newcomer.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
This like refreshing, gaky beauty.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Love it, love you. So that's the video he posted
to his Instagram, which, yeah, well initial thoughts. That's the
first time.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeh. So I've watched this like quite a few times. Okay, yeah,
because I really so horrified. I was like, are using
it for the No? No, no, I've watched it like
back to back quite a few times, and I'm trying
to figure out what my reaction to it was. It
feels fake. Yeah, he's acting in it, like on reflection,
the way that he's like, I don't normally do this
and Hot City, like he's trying to make it seem
(21:00):
really and I actually think he's a good actor. But
on reflection now he's very clearly performing. Yeah, anyway, it
was supposed to be just this reaction, Oh he's discovered
this new actor, Leghan Faihie, And then the comments are
all like, oh my god, how can you not know?
She has to be a guest on your podcast?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We love her?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Then Meghan Fayie comments.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Her first response was something like, oh, thanks so much.
Tell dominies had high. So Domino is Penn's wife, Domino Kirk,
who was also the sister of Jemima Kirk from Girls.
So he's married into a very cool family. Too cool
for him, i'm gonna say, but they're very happy together.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So there was like this this sort of back and
forth reputee between the two of them in the comments section.
Then all of a sudden it got a bit aggressive.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
One of the comebacks was Meghan faith makes me lo
so hard.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's such a good again, a very pre planned burn.
She also said gorky though with like a little emoji,
and then Penn was like, this is all happening in
the comments section of the video he posted, and he's like,
I meant it as a compliment. And then Meghan was like, well,
maybe we can chill on the body stuff. And then
Penn came back in and said, whoa, I've obviously been
very supportive and complimentary, but this feels like a trap.
(22:15):
And then she made a comment that he was acting
like his character Joe Goldberg, the serial Killer from you.
And then she was like, there you go again with
that trapping thing, because in the show he puts women
in cages of their murders them, which is hilariously cute.
And so this went back and forth for a while
and to the point where as you were saying, Megan
released her own video statement to this. Then Bagley decent,
(22:36):
if you're looking for a team move Pedro of.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Pascal, that is my favorite comeback ever. Just sorry that
it's just like such a sick burn. The t move
Pedro Pascal is such a great little like quip. Then
the people in the comments like, because of where the
first comment was, it was underneath, so it was like
in the replies and in between each reply is about
a million other people jumping in so quite discombobulating.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, you have to go through as we just now
prep this is why we're journalists and stitch all the
comments together to kind of get their full feud, because.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
There's in between people like, wait, what's going on? Is
this like too far?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Pen?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Mean, what is going on? Why is everyone so like?
People are so confused in the comment.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And people were angry at Pen mostly, And that's all
the headlines I saw, because it got picked up very
very quickly, and it started getting blasted across like people
making TikTok reaction videos to it, people posting it all
over their still Insta stories. Then outlets started picking it
up and everyone was like Pen badly, such a jerk,
Like he like took it an aim at Megan, fay him,
and we love her. And then she came back and
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said this, and this whole story bubbled up that they
were having this very intense feud, which felt very weird
at the time, but also again because I was like
weely in the weeds of this one. It happened, I
saw it quite early, and I was like, I guess
they're having a feud. It felt so odd, but why
else would they be having this weird back and forth.
I do think they were having a feud. I more
thought at the time that he was putting that up
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to be kind of cutesy because he just finished watching
her show and then they were having a bit of
a back and forth that was just meant to be
fun because Meghan Fay, he's like a little bit online
in that way as well, and she likes to sort
of have that like kind of quirky persona public. I mean,
she's lovely, we've had her on the Pod many times before,
but that seems very much in her vibe like acastick.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Kind like a bit of a you know, just giving
each other a bit of a ribbing, Like, yeah, very
kind of. But that's more like an Aussie or British thing. Yeah,
it's not really a very American thing to like take
digs at each other. Anyway, all of this to say
that we found out that this is actually just one
big fat publicity stunt.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yes, because then it came out a mere day or
so later, So if you didn't even have that much
time to bubble over that this was all a setup,
because then photos came out of them filming their new
cutesy romcom movie together.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah. So this new rom com is called You Deserve
each Other. So it's an adaptation of Sarah Hogle's best
selling twenty twenty novel, which is basically your classic lovers
to enemies to lovers story. You know, we've seen this this,
It's a pretty common Hollywood trope. They're filming this story,
so they've obviously done this to drum up public of
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this show. That then before the.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
First photos came out, because they were filming out in
the streets publicly, which means as pat photos everywhere. And
as soon as I saw it was a stunt for
their new movie and for their filming, I was just like,
I hate this.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I hate it really didn't land the way that I
think they thought it would. I think it would have
worked better if there wasn't so many comments in between,
because it made it so confusing that it was just
so all over the shop, and I think people were
just really confuse because it was out of character for
(25:46):
Penn Padjuley to behave that way. He's generally quite liked.
I don't know if you like him. I'm getting toy,
but he like his podcast is super popular. Ye, like
he's you was one of the biggest shows on Netflix,
Like he's generally well liked.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, oh, I don't have any personal beef with him.
And look, I'm trying not to hold things that he
said as like a very young actor to like where
he is now. But he was always one of those actors,
especially when he first got on Gossip Girl, being like
I'm better than this, like I'm a true actor who
even cares about Hollywood bullshit. Everyone who watches Gossip Girl
I'm paraphrasing, but I slightly everyone watches Gossip Girls like
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a bit of an idiot, Like, and he would go
to protests and things, and which I understand, like he's
got a very kind of like activist background to him,
and he would go to things and then be like, well,
I'm gonna be on like fucking gossip Girl, I might
as well do something with it, and is very much
like over the years has been that kind of like
I'm just here to be an actor, like I'm not
even about this fame life, but then does the podcast
(26:42):
and does stunts like this, yeah, and does tiktoks and
is also really shamy of women who are like love
his character Joe in you, which I get.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I'm getting the sense that you think he's a bit pretentious.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yes, one hundred percent. I think it's pretentious.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Okay, so I understand that, but it is weird that
people from that we're watching you with like obsessed props.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I do I agree with that. I want to say,
it's just I want to like him, because you know,
I'm a big Gossip Girl fan. I just am like,
I know it's a basical you feel a shoe, but
I love it. I feel personally attacked and yeah, like
that's not a great show, but it is what it is.
And you're not better than that, sir, especially because now
you spend all your time making tiktoks and things to
go with your podcast. If you are an actor, you
wouldn't be doing that. And again, just if you want
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to be a pretty boy Hollywood actor, be that. Don't
shame us for it. Jesus Christ. Anyway, you're coming into
this with a bit of back, I know.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, So I think that I'm just getting the sense here,
Lord that you're not the biggest kind of badly fan.
I guess my point is, yeah, despite your feelings about
him that are potentially rooted in some deep scene love
of Gossip Girl that you feel shamed by this pretentious actor.
This is going back decades now, despite that generally his
(27:52):
vibe has not been nasty. So I think this came
so out of character. And also Meghan Fahy is.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, this is not a funny woman.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Again, not really in character for her to be like, yeah, confrontational.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Or confrontational in the comments of an Instagram post. I
just think that this just felt very desperate and tone
deaf to me. Again, not that I care. They had
a fake fight, like every movie has some sort of
press thing around like this, I just felt badly handled
to me and felt really cheap. The thing is, if
they hadn't done this prank, they would still be getting
a lot of pressed for this movie. Also, they're only
filming the movie. It's going to be at least two
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years to a year before it comes out, Like this
is the kind of stunt you do like leading up
to the movie coming out, not the day before you
start filming. And I also think that like they've both
been on huge shows, they have huge fandoms. If photos
had come out of them filming a beautiful little rom
com together that would have been the story. We would
have done a really cute little update on that on
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the pod, and so everyone's just like, oh, get out of.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Here, okay. So the thing is about this movie is
I mean, I love a rom com. I'm a massive
room com fan.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Same, I will watch basically anything. I don't care how
cheesy it is. I don't care how trophy it is.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And the best trope of all time in my professional
and personal opinion is Enemies to Lovers, which they are doing.
So we didn't need this, it was already there. It's classic.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But the direct of the film is Mark Silverstein and
Abby Cone and this is the thing behind the romantic comedies.
Have never been kissed and he's just not that into you.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, they ever been kissed. No, this is a great duo.
I weirdly know so much about them because Mark Silverstein
is Busy Phillips as ex husband, and so I weirdly
like know a lot about them through like her book
and her podcast and her Instagram stories. And they also
did I Feel Pretty with Amy Schumer, which got absolutely panned.
Actually I really liked it. I to say I put
it on the record. Amy Schumer DM to me and
(29:37):
like thank you for being the only person to say it,
And I'm like, Amy, I stand by it. We had
a thing. But I think that this duo is like
quite well known for making really great movies. This is
what I mean. All the pieces of the puzzle were there.
Why are we like muddying the waters with this weird
little stunt.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, so we actually didn't even explain what the movie's about.
It's basically the two of them are getting married, but
they hate each other, but they're just going ahead with
it because it's really expensive to cancel a wedding.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
We have discussed.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It's a real guys, it happens to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It is something that does happen.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I love the promise exactly. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You know, it's got all of the hallmarks of a
successful rom PM. But it probably didn't need this. It's
kind of given it a bit of a sour taste,
particularly when the movie's quite far away from being released.
But I think I still watch it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Oh yeah, I'll watch the hell out of this movie.
That's not my issue here. It just felt like a
weird way to launch it. And I think there's like
maybe a little bit of fatigue over these kind of
stunts if they're not done the right way. I mean,
obviously anyone, but you kind of pulled it off because
that movie made so much money that it wouldn't have
if he didn't have the gunpower Sydney Sweeney's situation, even
a little Bit with a Star is Born. I mean,
(30:54):
that movie's been remade like eight times already, and it
still felt a bit fresh in the press cycle when
Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga did it, because everyone thought
they were together, and you kind of do need your
two stars to have something going on in the press
lead up to a movie that gets people in, even
like with like recently with The Materialists with Dakota Johnson,
(31:16):
Pedro Pascal and Chris Evans. Obviously like one of them
never talks about his relationship. One of them, Dakota Johnson
had just broken up allegedly with her long term love.
Chris is newly married. They couldn't have like a love
triangle going on there, but they had like this kind
of like fake buddy, but we're like calling up Pedro
kind of thing going on. Like you've got to have
(31:37):
that little kind of I think being in the lead
up to it to make people care.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
And as people who watch pop culture, it is so
important to us to think that the people who are
in these shows of friends like yeah. For example, Everyone
and Friends is like, are you actually friends? Spice Girls? Yeah,
we want to think that they have a relationship because
we want to extend our disbelief of these characters that
(32:01):
they've created and think that it could go beyond that.
Particularly when chemistry on screen is really strong, it's so
hard to ignore that. For example, Angelina Dollie brad Pitt
in Mister and Missus Smith, you could see the chemistry
so clearly on there, and they were actually still being
behind the scenes. But it's so important to people to
be able to see that chemistry off screen as well.
(32:23):
I think that's why a lot of publicists lean into
that so heavily.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So much Now it's so interesting because these kind of
gimmicky press cycles used to be really frowned upon, and
it was all about like the lead up of the
trailer and like the big glossy magazine covers and the
in depth interview sharing their trauma. And now what I've
really realized is like, because I'm in the middle of
like bidding for some really big interviews for big, big
movies that are coming out, And it used to be
(32:47):
like no personal questions, which is still the case, no gimmicks,
no games. It's just about the movie has to be
really serious. And now all the things I'm getting about,
do you want to interview this huge movie star? Can
you send through like the three games you want to
play with them? The three? Yeah, the three. They just
want to go really quirky. They want to go really fun.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
It's because they want to go viral.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
They want to go viral because they kind of feel
like because the way people view movies, everyone's like, oh
wait for streaming. If they want to get people into
the cinemas or even to watch on that first weekend
of streaming, they want those really gimmicky press cycles, which
is such a term.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Do you know what I think the reason for that
shift is is the way that we consume media is
that so many people consume media through TikTok, and they
consume it through these little clips. So when it's something
like fun and interesting, they're going to get more press
for it rather than the same basic five questions that
we know and I both know what It's like when
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you go into a press junkert, you've got five minutes.
You need to create a story out of it, so
you're going to have to ask you five basic questions
that every single other journalist behind you has asked, because
you need to get a story out there. Back when
I was doing it, it was like I needed to
get a coherent yeah, so I had to ask those
(34:01):
questions to be able to shape a story rather than
doing like really random interesting questions that wouldn't create a
package that I needed. But it's interesting that Publicis has
kind of flipped on that a little bit. Yeah, it
really wasn't that long ago exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, No, it feels like a recent shift. And that's why
I feel like now movies, instead of doing the gimmicks
in the press tour, now they're doing the gimmicks pre filming,
which this is kind of the first time we've seen
it almost this early, even like back when Blake Lively
was doing like the first rounds of press for a
simple favor, and just before the movie came out, she
deleted her whole Instagram feed and only followed women who
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had the same name as her movie character. And even
that felt like really bizarre because people were like, oh,
it's too much or it's not pointing to the movie enough.
But then it did work to get people to see
the movie. So but again not pre filming, but I
think we're going to start seeing a lot more of this. Yeah,
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
It didn't quite land, and I think you and I
are just both a little bit disappointed. But I'm still
excited for the movie, but it's.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Without the Yeah, I'll be excited in a year and
a half when this movie comes out. So yeah, we're
still going to see it. But I just think everyone
maybe pull back on the gim this early in the
press wrong.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I don't know where it's being released, but it does
feel like a straight to Netflix rom com.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Which I love.
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