July 9, 2025 • 50 mins
When Heather let “Jace” into her Toronto condo to fix a kitchen cabinet, she had no idea she was opening the door to one of Canada’s most prolific romance scammers.
Charming, confident, and seemingly genuine, Jason Porter, using yet another alias, had already conned dozens of women across the country. But this time, he picked the wrong target.
In this episode, Claire Murphy speaks with Heather, the woman who uncovered his lies, exposed his scam network, and helped take him down. You can watch more about her story in the Prime Video documentary ROMCON: Who the F**k is Jason Porter? here.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
True crime Conversations acknowledges the traditional owners of land and
waters that this podcast was recorded on. It was a
quiet Tuesday morning in the Canadian city of Toronto. Heather
was straightening up her downtown condo, just starting her day.
It was another busy one. She's a real estate broker,
always on the move. This morning's task was a simple one.
(00:29):
Finally get those kitchen cabinets fixed. The hinges had been
loose for weeks, and the building manager had recommended someone,
a handyman named Jace. Right on time, there was a
knock at the door. Heather opened it to find a
man in his early forties, relaxed, athletic toolbag in hand.
He had that kind of calm, casual confidence that immediately
(00:52):
puts people at ease. He introduced himself with a smile
that seemed to land exactly where it was meant to.
Heather led him in, grateful to have one less thing
to worry about on her to do list. As he worked,
they chatted small stuff, favorite neighborhoods, local coffee shops, the
never ending strange charms of condo living. He was easy
(01:13):
to be around, funny present, the kind of guy who
made it easy to forget how long he'd been alone.
But while Jace tightened her cabinet hinges, his phone silenced
and faced down buzzed steadily on the counter beside him.
Because Jace wasn't just a handyman. He was actually Jason Porter,
(01:36):
a serial romance scammer known for slipping into women's lives,
winning their trust, and then disappearing with more than just
their hearts. Heather hadn't heard about him yet, but she
would in that moment. She had no idea how much
damage he could do, or how close she already was
to becoming his next target. I'm Claire Murphy and this
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is True Crime Conversations, a podcast exploring the world's most
notorious crimes by speaking to the people who know the
most about them. Jason Porter scammed dozens, potentially hundreds of
women across Canada over more than a decade, using romance
scams as his primary method. He targeted women mostly through
(02:21):
dating apps like Plenty of Fish, Eharmonymatch dot Com, and Bumble,
often using fake names like Jay Stone, Donato, and Mike.
At the peak of his romance scam campaign, he had
hundreds of women on the hook, and when Heather unknowingly
stumbled into the midst of this complex ring of broken
hearts waiting to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
She would stop dead in her.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Tracks, seeing again and again words that she thought meant
only for her, repeated over and over and over again,
each unsuspecting victim falling for the exact same charm that
she had. While many women do not report being scammed
by someone who gets to them via dating apps, Heather
(03:05):
said the shame. I'm taking this guy down, even if
it's the last thing I do. But getting there would
not be easy, and Jace still had some tactics left
up his sleeve to try and once again get away
with innocent women's money while breaking their trust. Heather stars
in the Amazon Prime documentary Who the Heir Is Jason
(03:26):
Porter and talks to us now about the man she
thought she loved, the man who she would help put
behind bars. Heather, thank you so much for joining us
today after watching rom Con. I think the overarching feeling
we've gotten from seeing you talk about your experience of
(03:46):
being targeted by a romance scammer is like you are
such a boss lady, like you've been through the actual
worst and used it as feel for the fire like it.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Do you feel.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
After your experience of not only what you went through
with Jason Porter, but also filming this documentary, do you
feel stronger on the.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Other side of your experience.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That's a good question. I do. After making the documentary
and going through the criminal justice system, I really feel
like I took one of the worst things that has
ever happened to me in my life. Well, actually know,
let me rephrase that this meeting, meeting Jay's at the
(04:30):
beginning was great, but when I learned the truth, that's
probably the worst thing in terms of something being unfair,
and by reclaiming it, it just it's given me my
power back. You know, I don't want to be Nobody
wants to wake up and be a victim. So if
you can take that victim hood and make it victorious,
(04:56):
it's it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Well, let's go back to when you did first meet
Jays because the way you describe it in the documentary,
Rome Con is like every woman's fantasy.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's like romances that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We read in books like can you explain to us
how he like initially grabbed your attention and kept hold. Yes,
it was like a Hollywood meet cute, you know, there.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I opened the door and there's this super cute guy.
He wasn't His predecessor was this chubby Eastern European guy
named ole egg Or Olaf and so I wasn't expecting
to open the door and just he's such a cutie
and he chase. I guess I could still say it
(05:48):
in the present. He is. He was so charming and
so flirtatious and not knowing who he was, and that
that's all part of his game. It's easy to get
hooked in, to get pulled into that, because I've never
had from the first day we met to when we
(06:09):
went on our first date, it was about two and
a half week lag, and I have every single text
message he has ever sent me and the in between
it was that was some of the spiciest, most flirtatious
texts we've ever sent one another back. And I thought
it was me and I was so special, But then
learning that that's what he said to Tiffany, and that's
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what he said to Leslie, and that's what he has
on his online chats. It's his bible. I guess, it's
his you know, his playlist in a way, and he
obviously like it works. It worked. I was, I was
googly eyed. I was on cloud night for weeks and
months and even years with him.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I think that's what really like felt like a knife
to the gut when watching this all unfold was when
they do put up the comparisons between what he was
saying to you and what he was say saying to others,
which really matched almost word for word. But then the
story you tell about the night of your first date
when he first kisses you, is also the same story
(07:20):
shared by the other women, And that feels like such
an intimate and special moment. Can you just talk me
through first your first kiss with him, and then how
it feels to know that that exact same scenario has
played out for I mean, not even knowing how many
other women.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So yeah, we had gone out for dinner and it
was summer, so we walked. He came on his motorcycle
and we walked to a restaurant and walked home, and
he had left, you know, the motorcycle, helmet and the
infamous backpack in my place, and so we went up
and I just remember I actually had Baxi, my little
(08:01):
dog that's in the documentary. I was holding him and
we were sort of shuffling in the door way, and
it was one of those like oh, like is he
going to kiss me? Should I kiss him? And I
don't know what came over in me, but I leaned
in and just kind of went And that's when he
took Baxter, plopped him on the ground, dropped his helmet,
(08:22):
dropped his backpack, and literally pushed me up against the wall.
And when I say, it left me breathless, and it
left me weak. And then I have ever been kissed
like that. When I heard Tiffany's story, which was I
think around the same time as my first kiss, I
was floored. I it is wild that he did the
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same thing to me, to her, to who knows how
many other women. For so many years, I thought I
was so special and that he made me feel special
because every day, day and day out, I would hear
You're the love of my life. You he he would
call me all the time throughout the day. And when
I was making I love you, BUYE, I love you, BUYE,
I love you BUYE. When you're told I love you,
(09:13):
I love you, I love you, you feel very special.
So to hear that my whole love story is just
a move. He has that he's perfected. It's pretty got wrenching,
but you know, to learn that I really wasn't special sucked.
(09:39):
I'm not gonna lie like, it really was awful. But
to rosso realized that any of the problems in the
relationship weren't me was also really kind of liberating. I
remember one day after learning the truth, I called my
mom and I was kind of laughing crying. I was like,
oh my god, it wasn't I didn't mess this up, Like,
(10:00):
it wasn't me, it was him. So from that perspective,
it was so bad. But you know, to be honest,
it took me a long time just to make sense
of it and to make peace with it. And there's
still some days where I'll say, it's like impossible to
make sense of something so sounds less.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think what people want to understand the most out
of this, and especially for people who've been caught out before,
is where were you because you met him in twenty eighteen.
So what was the twenty eighteen version of Heather looking like?
Because from what I can gather, she was pretty happy
being solo and living life and being successful and wasn't
(10:43):
looking for a relationship at that point in time, and
in fact, you'd been single for quite a while by
that stage. So what made you the perfect victim for
Jason Porter?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
What did he see in you that made you a
good target?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think what made me a good target for him
was robbably that I coupled his like for every it's
like chest right like, for every move he did, I
would meet him there in the beginning, right like, So
if he flirted, I flirted back because I thought at
first it was just a game until it started getting serious.
(11:18):
But once we became physical and intimate, I was gone
because there were so many of those like feel good
hormones raging through my body that I couldn't even see straight.
So and like I say in the documentary, like all
of a sudden, like the little things in life, he
(11:39):
just had this way of making everything so much fun,
whether it was going on the motorcycle or going to
the grocery store or just now of a sudden, it's like,
oh my gosh, I have somebody just to you know,
make dinner and sit on the couch with Like it
was quite It was a nice welcome change from being solo. Heather,
(12:00):
and now I all of a sudden had somebody I
could talk to about my day and talk to about work,
you know, like I I. I had been in and
out of a relationship before I met him, and I
had this, you know, like a comfort flanket kind of friend,
you know, not really, I don't like the term friends
with benefits, but I did have somebody in my life
(12:21):
that while the into the the physical intimacy with that
person was gone, I still had him as a friend. Yeah, Jace,
just I don't know, he just when you're I'd never
felt like that before. I had never had somebody also
so quickly and openly and brazenly declare their love for
(12:43):
me and tell me how incredible. I was like, it's
messes with your brain, but it also, not knowing what
he was doing, it felt incredible. Why wouldn't I want
to see where this went? I remember, probably like a
month after meeting him, walking down the street and I
ran into a friend I hadn't seen in a while,
(13:04):
and she was like, oh my god, you're glowing like
I'm in love. I'm in love, like I owned being
in love like a new badge. I was just like,
you gotta fall in love. It's the best thing ever
because it felt incredible, and it's sad that it really
wasn't real, but in the moment it arn't knowing it
(13:26):
was great.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
What did he creative himself?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Because he span a lot of stories that created this
vision of who Jay s Peretti as he called himself.
They're not Jason Porter, Like, what was he telling you
about himself? And if you could explain to how that
didn't just reel you in, but also your friends and
family to a point too, because he was creating this
(13:54):
version of a human that didn't exist, which was quite
appealing to everybody.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I think with Jess, I'd like to think that when
he was in prison as Jason Porter, you probably had
a lot of time to sit around and think, and
I think he crafted up these tall tales. So when
he first got out of federal prison, he changed his
name from Jason Porter to Jason Parati. And then by
(14:20):
the time I met him, Parati had morphed into Parati.
And when I met him that day that first stay
at my condo, and he right away told me he
had gone to the University of Waterloo and he was
really a software engineer. But because of what he was
navigating with the family court system, he was just taking
a break from corporate world. So when he would share
(14:42):
his tall tales of living in China and living in
Japan and working at this job, being in my mid
to late forties, I have a lot of that back then,
Like I have a lot of successful friends. I was successful,
I am successful. So they were believable stories. So, you know,
for him to say, oh, I lived, I worked at
(15:04):
this company and I lived in China, well, of course
you did. Why wouldn't you, You know, I have been
I think, like most people, like, I meet people and
I don't think right off bout oh he's lying there,
they're not. You know, you take people at their word,
at their face value. So of course I believed him
that he had all these great stories. I mean even
(15:28):
you know, the way he wooed my mom was, you know,
both my parents are really into history, and the stories
of his both his Italian grandparents fighting for the Allies
in World War Two. Literally one of the stories that
he told us it's exactly the same as the Great Escape,
that famous movie. Wow. Okay, yeah, And my mom even
(15:49):
said that one night at dinner, She's like, sounds like
the Great Escape. He's like, it is like the Great Escape,
but that was my grandfather. They based that on him
and all those other people, and we're like, oh wow.
I mean it's now that we know who he is,
it's completely far fetched and alive. But at the time
we were just like, wow, like he just you know,
they say sometimes there's like nuggets of truth in the lies,
(16:14):
but most of his stories I think they're from books, movies,
who knows, but it's pretty much all lies.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I mean, I know you said he probably had some
time in prison to really think about things and spin
these stories in his own mind. But I imagine, like
a young man doesn't just wake up one day and
he's really great at making women believe that he's this amazing,
wonderful boyfriend. Material Like, any idea where he might have
learnt this behavior or is there any idea from like
(16:45):
his family. Have they ever spoken about maybe what he
was like when he was a younger man. Do you
have any concept of where he would have learnt this behavior?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You know, I've never spoken to anyone in his family.
I would love to.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Even though you're together for quite a few years.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Right, yeah, Oh, that definitely, I mean, but that was
also like, now that's a glaring red flag that I've
never met his family, but he again, he had when
I would say, like, what's up with your brother? Why
can't we meet? You know, let's go meet your brother,
he had a whole story as to why we weren't
you know, why him and his brother were estranged right now,
(17:25):
And he had this way of like turning it around.
So then you just felt so bad for kind of
stirring the pot and making him feel bad, you know.
But that's what gaslighting is. But I didn't know that
at the time. I have no idea because he does
have a brother who I've never met, but I've learned
(17:49):
enough about him since to know, like his brother is
a normal person with a wife and kids. Like how
can a family have one child who's so mendacious and
one who's normal. I mean, I don't know. I'd love
to one day learn the tr ruths to all his backstory.
But you know, his parents are dead. I actually, through
(18:12):
our whole relationship, was under the impression that his biological
father was still alive, because he used to talk about
his dad as if he were still alive. But any
parental figure in his life is gone, you know, And
that's The other question with all this, are these psychopaths
born this way or is it a learned behavior?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I don't know, he said, like that was an obvious
red flag and the beauty of hindsight as you can
probably identify a ton of red flags now looking back.
But where any of your friends or family noticing suspicious
behaviors during the start of your relationship. Did anyone ever
(18:53):
say to you, maybe this guy's not quite right?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
No? I mean, in the documentary, my good friend Kristen
shares how she would talk to him at length about
she would grow him on China because she goes to
China or she used to a lot, and for as
she says, for a guy who lived in China for
two years to no Mandarin and know really nothing. To her,
(19:20):
it was suspicious. But you know, nobody told me because
I think I was just so happy, Like I was
really happy, and I don't think anyone wanted to burst
my bubble, so they just sort of kept their thoughts
to themselves. Had they shared this with me, I would
(19:43):
like to think I would have listened, But it's hard
to say, right because you know, with Kristen, he made
it very clear how he felt about her. He and
he would say things like, I don't think she's a
good friend for you. She's not a healthy person. So
he would flip it around, so I would start to
question my friendship. She's one of the most loyal people
(20:06):
in the world, Like we're still very, very close to
this day. I adore her. You know, it's crazy to
think that that's what they do. They weaponize everything, love, friends, family,
They isolate. I mean, it's one of their tactics. They do,
try to isolate you, and in our case, the pandemic
(20:26):
that perfectly into it, you know, And I mean, there's
it's crazy to me, Like there's times where I've wondered,
did he have some insight into what was happening with
the world before the rest of us, because we were,
you know, that whole Italy trip. We were supposed to
(20:47):
have gone to Italy early March, like two weeks before
the world shot down, but he about a month before
we were supposed to go. You know, he came home
one day and he was like, oh my god, you know,
the family court is now happening when we're supposed to
go to Italy. So it's all just I don't know,
It's like it's just to this day all a bit
(21:08):
of a mystery. But yeah, he's I don't know, like
was he born that way? I don't know. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Up next, Heather describes what life was like once she
and Jason moved in together, and how more cracks in
his story.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Started to show when the pandemic hit.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You move in together, and so you're spending like really
long periods of time to start within a small apartment together,
and then you move into a bigger property further out
of the city. But I imagine it would have been more
difficult for him to cover up because it's not like
he stopped being a scammer for other women during the pandemic.
(21:52):
In fact, it continued on just as it did beforehand.
But he's not as free to physically.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Spend time with other women.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But it would have been harder for him to cover
his tracks while you are in a small space with
him at all times, Like, did you ever see any
anything that made you wonder or think it was he
really just that good at keeping things separate because he
was doing so many things at once, which is what
I think really surprised me that he's able to keep
so many women on the hook. Manipulating so many taking
(22:22):
things from them like physical items, but also you know,
money and lots of other things, Like how is he
managing all of that whilst also existing in a pandemic
state with you?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So even like before the pandemic, I remember, it would
have been probably in the first six months of our relationship,
you know, with his backstory being that he had worked
in China. He came home and he's like, oh, I've
picked up a small contracting gig for that company, but
because of the time change, I'm going to have to
like stay up late. I'm like, okay, So I would
(22:56):
go to bed at a normal time and he would
stay up half the night. So I think that's when
he would be engaging with a lot of these you know,
he probably then had the app but who's kiddingho like
he's addicted to his phone. Probably when he went to
the bathroom, he would have his phone and be on
the apps texting people. But you know, when we hit lockdown,
(23:17):
Within probably two weeks of the lockdown or less, he
started looking for a moonlighting job, as he called it,
and he was able to because not I don't know
what it was like in Australia, but in Canada, you know,
certain things were deemed essential services, and I think construction
(23:37):
I believe must have fallen into that because he was
able to get a moonlighting, cash paying job working renovating
a nightclub. Just next door to Toronto is a little
a smaller city called Mississauga, so he was going out
to Mississauga. So that gave him also a lot of
freedom to claim he was, you know, working late or
(24:01):
doing this or doing that, and go on dates. And
there was one weekend in there that I remember, and
this isn't in the documentary, so I'm probably not supposed
to talk about it, but the guys who hired him
for the nightclub, apparently they were having a guy's weekend
to go and race sports cars and motorcycles at a
track east of the city. And I was like, go, like,
(24:23):
you know, go have fun. Why not, it's a guy's weekend.
But it wasn't a guy's weekend because after the article
came out, a woman emailed me and it was confirmed
that that guy's weekend he was actually with another woman.
So I think, to answer your question, the pandemic actually
gave him more power more, you know, if anything, my
(24:48):
guard would be even more down because I'm locked up
and what am I going to do? So I never
I never questioned what he was doing. Never in a
million years thought he was cheating on me.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, is it cheating if he was never really in
that relationship in the first place?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Maybe not. After the pandemic, you're spending a bit.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Of time out on your parents' farm, and one day
your mom notices that a lot of her jewelry is missing,
stuff that had been in a safe that was unlocked
from her rooms.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
In the beginning.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It's very much like no one is even considering that
Jace might have taken these things, And in fact, your
mum talks in the documentary about confronting the cleaner about it,
who told her that Jace had taken them, and she
still couldn't believe that that was the case. When you
heard that from your mum what the cleaner had told you,
(25:44):
did any part of you at any stage start to
consider that maybe it was him, or were you so
happy and stable in that relationship that you thought that
there was no way that could potentially.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Be what happened. My mom never told me about confronting
the cleaning lady when it was happening. It was. I
learned about it after the fact that the cleaning lady
had quit. We were all surprised when I got into
the computer and started seeing you know, emails for like
(26:17):
this ring, that brace, like it was. I could not
believe what I was seeing. I think because again he
was with my mom's stuff, Like none of us wear
all our jewelry all the time, right, So I don't
think she noticed it was happening until one day she
(26:38):
noticed it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So this could have been going on for months.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I do you know it was going on for months
and months because of some of the evidence I found,
it was dated as such. Right, the first thing that
went missing actually was in the fall of twenty nineteen.
That's how long I was going on for. And yeah,
I think Jace probably figured out like where the things
(27:03):
were kept, and you know, like that little safe was,
and when we would go for a visit or he
would you know, go up on his own, and my
mom would be like, you know, here's the key, here's
the alarm code, let yourself in, make yourself a coffee.
Because she trusted him. I think it was so easy.
He was like a kid in a candy store. He
(27:25):
couldn't help himself. He would just go and take one
thing and then he could sell it and he'd have
a bit of money, and then he would take another
thing and sell it. So it took. It wasn't until
like that one day that they really went through all
the bags and they were like, oh my god, it's
and when we still didn't know what it was Jase
until like a couple months later, after all that happened,
(27:47):
like it was. It was shocking. It was shocking. I couldn't.
I didn't. I didn't have the heart to actually tell
my parents it was Jase. I made my sister do
it because I was so upset. I was devastated. I
was devastated, and I my sister had come to my
house and Aurora with her boyfriend, and I was like, Jenny,
(28:09):
you have to tell her. I can't. I didn't have
the heart. I was so ashamed. I was so like
I brought the monster into our home.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That must be so hard to still come to terms
with that. Can see during the documentary how emotionally difficult
it is for you to think about that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It really really is. And yeah, there's the part in
the documentary where my mom says when he's she realized
her both her wedding bands were gone. It's like part
of her marriage, the memories of her marriage are gone.
And you know, now, especially with my dad not being here,
(28:51):
that's that's the worst thing. Like when I said earlier,
learning that my life with Jase was a lie, that
was like a really awful, awful thing, But it's losing
your parent is like such a different kind of pain.
I mean, I would take the pain of what I
discovered with Jase over and over again if it meant
(29:13):
my dad were still here. And when we finally were
going through the court and he, you know it said
he did. Eventually, after three years and three months, he
pled guilty. We got to read victim impact statements and
both of us would say, it's not the monetary value
(29:35):
of what he stole, it's that it's the memories, Like
we're never my mom's never going to get that back,
none of us are. There's nothing for her that you know.
Every time my dad would give her something, it was
a representation of an anniversary or a birthday or a
trip like to commemorate that memory. And now that's all gone,
(29:57):
and there's nothing to pass on to my sister or
myself or my niece, like there's no heirlooms anymore. He
Jace wiped that out. And I remember I was at
a movie with my parents and one of the preview
ads was for Tiffany and my mom like gasps, like
that's my ring and I wanted to just die like
(30:22):
it was awful. No amount of time in jail will
make that better, you know. So it's and even though
he has to pay my mom restitution when he eventually
gets out, which good luck. I don't know how help. Yeah,
it doesn't matter, Like I don't even think she would
keep the money. I think she'd give it to charity,
because it's not it doesn't I don't know. It's something
(30:46):
you could. You know, my therapist and I talk about
this a lot. It's that radical acceptance. You don't have
to like it, but you have to accept that it happened.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
After the break Here the talks about logging into Jason's
email and seeing endless conversations with other women on dating apps.
Can you take us into your mind the day that
you figure out his password to his Gmail account and
you start to see exactly what he's been up to,
(31:18):
Like what is happening in your brain? When you first
start to see all the conversations with all these women,
a lot of it sounds very familiar, and you can
see the sheer volume of conversations he's having on incredible
amounts of dating apps and sites, and like take us
into your mind then when you're just discovering what has
(31:40):
actually been happening in your relationship.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
The first thing I did when I got in the
computer and I started seeing all this, I called him
my first instinct. I picked up the phone and I
called him because I was what it made no sense
to me, and although you know, things had been a
(32:03):
little rocky, you know, was still very much committed to
my relationship with him and my life with him. And
I was like, oh my god. And he didn't answer.
So then I was left in my own devices for hours,
and I took I realized I took pretty coppy screenshots.
I've since mastered it. But it was almost like that
(32:24):
feeling when your your stomach comes up in your throat,
because it's like the room kind of started spinning, and
I think maybe it was shock. That's what like a
low grade shock must feel like. Because I it, I
(32:46):
was like flabert like I am right now, trying to
describe it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing at all,
Like it blew my mind. It's almost like I feel
like I got split in half because there was part
of me that's like, this is insane, and oh my god,
(33:08):
I'm in love with this person. Like how it was
just black and white, there was no gray in that moment,
and it was so awful. It was I didn't want
to believe it, and I think I say on the
documentary too, I just I didn't know what to do.
(33:28):
I couldn't believe when I got into the one of
the dating apps, like his actual profile, It's not like
he was talking to two or three women. It was
hundreds of every age, every ethnicity, like and always like
(33:48):
oh my god, you're so beautiful, hey beautiful, And I'm like,
oh my god. That I would walk through our house
in Aura and he'd be like, hey beautiful, Hey beautiful,
Hey beautiful. In that moment too, it's like everything that
I thought to be like the kiss, like everything that
I thought to be special and true about my relationship
was just a line and a lie. You know. I
(34:11):
don't know would it be easier if I had just
gotten in the computer and saw he was cheating with
one person that would really hurt and that would suck,
but it would be like, oh okay, but it's hundreds
of people that he's talking to. It's very he's a predator.
And then to you know, go down my rabbit hole
(34:31):
and realize Jace Paratti aka Parati is actually Jason Porter.
The original online Romeo was shocking, shocking.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I think what's so.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Incredible about this documentary, rom Con is that there's actual
footage of you from this period when you are discovering,
and you can see the sheer amount of emotions that
you are experiencing in that moment. I mean, you are terrified,
you are angry, upset, like all the gamut of emotions,
(35:10):
and you say police do get involved, and it seems
like they're pretty dismissive of the things that you're telling them. Initially,
and as you said, you had to leave your house
even though you know he was the one who had
you know was a convicted criminal, which you just figured out.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And that he was still committing crimes.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And then it seems like, I don't know, this rod
of steel grows in your spine and you sit down
and they're like no, I'm not going to let this
man get away with what he's done, not just to me,
but to all these other women. What do you think
was happening to you in that moment, Because women especially
(35:51):
who were caught out by romance scammers notorious. You feel
really shameful about it and very embarrassed, and that is
completely understandable. It is you've not just taken advantage of financially,
You're taking an advantage of someone emotionally, which I think
is sometimes harder to recover from.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Than a financial knock.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
What do you think it was about you in that
moment that you were like, he'll no, this guy's going
to pay.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I think I very much became like a dog with
a bone, like I wasn't going to let this go.
I wanted answers, I wanted Look, I would still love
to be able to talk to the brother and like
find out what went wrong in your childhoods that he
turned out this way. But I think it's when the
(36:39):
police were just so dismissive with me that it gave
me even more purpose to keep going. Like I I
think in a way, after the article came out, I
just was tunnel visioned to keep going and keep learning.
(37:02):
And in a way he made it easy because he
just kept the criminal justice thing rolling along and rolling along,
which gave me even more ammo and anger to just
get to the bottom of it. Like I just wanted
just to serve for what he did to us, but
I equally wanted to try and expose him so he
(37:27):
couldn't do this to anyone else. And it's incredible how
many people have reached out to me to say, like,
I know, I know, it's he never stopped. Now he's
finally stopped because he's finally in jailed. But if I
were twenty years younger and I had gone through this,
(37:48):
I probably would have just remained in the shame and
licked my wounds and been like, oh, that sucked. But
in the middle of all this, I turned fifty, and
I couldn't have peace with myself if I just let
it go. I just had to. I had to get
the answers, and to be honest, I still don't have
(38:09):
all the answers. There's still quite a few pieces of
the puzzle missing. I hope with the documentary that perhaps
it might bring more people forward who were affected by him.
But somewhere along this journey too. By reclaiming my power
(38:31):
and taking charge of the story line and working on
the documentary and having so many incredible people want to
bring my story to light, it's given me even more
confidence that I know I'm doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hey, you touched on something there.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It's incredible because while the court system was very slowly
grinding away with this case, as you mentioned it took
three years or more, like he was.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Still on the dating apps.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
This was happening like people you know and who were
keeping an eye on things and researching, and yourself for
finding him still putting profiles up on these dating apps
whilst he was going through criminal charges Like that seems
wild to me, like if you are facing a jail
term and yet you're still doing the crime.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
But isn't that what makes him like a psychopath? Mm?
Because he doesn't have This guy has no remorse, he
has no empathy, he has no conscience. I don't think he.
I can't speak for him, but it from what I've observed,
(39:53):
it's like, on one hand, he's going through criminal court
and then he's probably going on a date that very
night with somebody. It's like to him there too, it's
you know, on our first date, he talked to me
about how he puts everything in boxes. And I know
(40:14):
men more than women, they can compartmentalize their emotions a
bit better. So I chalked it up to some of
his behavior through our relationship. I was just like, oh,
he's compartmentalizing. But when the truth came to light, I
was like, oh my god, it's like he has, you know,
this memory in this box and this one in this box.
(40:34):
So this current situation is this box and this one's
this box, and he just pulls it out and opens
it when he needs it. I don't think you said
something else earlier. And it was interesting, Jace really drank.
If we went out for dinner, he might have one drink,
whereas I love wine, like I could you know, I'm
(40:56):
not going to drink a whole bottle. And now I
realized when the truth came to light, I think he
would do that on purpose too, because you know, there's
that saying loose lips sinks ships.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So we had to keep these ducks in a row exactly.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
And so you know, all of the other women in
the documentary, all of our stories are the same, but
with like a little bit of you know, he might
have told this woman and you know I was wearing
a blue sweater and with me it was a green sweater.
Like there's little differences, but overall it's the same sort
of story, and I think he has to It must
(41:36):
be exhausting being him, like how many people has Like
you'd have to think who have I told this to?
Who have I told that too? So he has to
keep it pretty tight, like it's it's crazy, it's he's
pretty well.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I think that is really evident when you're going through
the court proceedings and there's that moment where you see
the people coming out but too quickly, and you're like,
hang on, what's happened? And then you find out that
there's some allegations of tampering because flyers were left on
cars allegedly by yourself telling people, warning people about him.
(42:15):
But then it turns out like that's another lie that
he's tailing in court.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah. Yeah, he showed up in court and lied to
a you know, a superior court judge, a crown attorney,
his own attorney. It's crazy. Yeah, it's I think I
say in the documentary, you know, during Lockdown, we watched
I think almost every Law and Order because yeah, like
(42:40):
I used to joke, I'm like I broke Netflix, like
I broke the Internet TV because we watched so many shows.
But somehow he got the idea, you know, between the
flyers didn't come that date, Like everybody left court that day,
and then it was two days later when court resumed
that the flyers mysteriously like were found, and it gave
(43:04):
so that little interlude gave him time to like and
scheme and be like, how can I get out of this?
You know, it was his hail Mary, because yeah, and
it's crazy if you think about it, somebody would actually
go that far to do it, But I mean people
do all kinds of crazy things.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
How do you feel about his sentence?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Because he will send its to two years in prison,
three years' probation, and then, as you mentioned, he does
have some cave. It's like he does have to pay
your mum restitution for the stolen jewelry, and he also
has to report to his probation officer every time he's
in a new romantic relationship, which is going to be
interesting to see how that's tracked after he gets out
of prison. But like, how do you feel about that
(43:43):
sentence because I guess from an outsider's perspective, it doesn't
seem like a lot considering the amount of damage he
did to so many people.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I agree, and in fact, the judge gave more time
than the Crown was asking for because I guess in Canada,
I don't know what it's like in Australia, though we
all come from British law, like our courts follow that system.
But apparently in Canada it's miraculous that he even got
(44:13):
the time he did. When you look at just if
you're looking at just what was stolen, people don't go
to jail for that long for stealing, you know things.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
That's the thing too, because he's charged with theft, but
not really about all the other stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Because we didn't have all the evidence. And when he
erased the computer that night after the police left a
lot of stuff that I had screenshotted but had not
retrieved off the computer got erased. Yes, so I think
it was. In the end, it was like two counts
of theft over five thousand and one count of crime
(44:51):
over five thousand, which is great because again in Canada
there's like theft and crime under five thousand is like
one set of charges and then anything above five thousand
becomes another. But I mean, the truth is, like I said,
he is, he's still has three other outstanding criminal cases
in three different areas, one being Leslie's watch, the other
(45:15):
being these new charges. And there's something else that happened
in twenty twenty two that I still don't even know
what that's about. It has nothing to do with me.
So he still has more charges, which I hope it
adds more time on because also the way it works
in Canada is it's crazy that I know this now,
but he got two years less one day you go
to provincial jail. Anything over two years you go to
(45:37):
federal prison. Either way, neither are good, Like I don't
think you want to be in either of those institutions.
But I would love to see more time thrown at
him for these other crimes that he's done. But I
also think, you know, I heard somewhere when these guys
(45:57):
like him go to prison jail, it's like college for criminals,
and he's going to meet other scammers and other people
while he's locked up, and he'll maybe come out with
some new ideas, some new EMMO. Who knows. I don't
know how effective the whole system is, Like, I don't
know if people like him ever get fully rehabilitated. Yes,
(46:20):
he deserves to be locked up, and I'm very glad
he is, and I do feel like some justice was served,
but it was I was hoping he would get like
at least ten years and come out on an old man,
but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
How do you now start to rebuild and recover and
step away from this? Because I presuming you can't fully
ever step away from it with the sheer number of
people who are attached to Jason Porter and you really
being the face of his crimes now, I guess you're
contacted by I don't know how many people on the
(46:55):
regular who have been impacted by him, But like, can
you step away from it now?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Can you recover?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
And do you ever have another romantic relationship for as
long as you live? Like, how do you move on
from these?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Well? I am dating and I'm very happy nice been
seeing a lovely, lovely man, but it's been very slow
because it is. It has been hard. It's really interesting.
I talked to Leslie a lot about him and dating
(47:30):
because she's gone through it too, and it takes time
to it. Some days in the relationship it's like one
step forward, two steps back, one step forward too, and
it's it's not him, it's me, and I fully own it.
And he gets in and thank God, he's so loving
and patient and sees what I've gone through and he
(47:51):
just wants to, you know, be supportive and make my
life better. But it's it takes time, you know. I'm
glad it's been over three years, right, so I've given
myself a lot of time to process. But to answer
the first part of the question, I still find myself
(48:12):
going on the court dockets seeing when he'ssy up next
in court, like what's going on. I don't know if
I'd love to be able to say I've put it
all behind me, but as long as there's still the
outstanding matters, I'm still kind of connected to it, especially
with the obstruction of justice charges with the Flyer, because
(48:33):
I will be a witness at that trial if it
goes to a trial. But I think one anyone who's
ever been in my shoes or sadly might end up
in my shoes. You just have to give yourself a
lot of compassion. I'm very lucky I have incredible, Like
(48:54):
I have the most amazing family and such a strong
network of friends, and I've done a lot of therapy.
You know, I walk my dog all the time because
when I just have to clear my head, I'll go
for a walk. But I really have this has definitely
reprioritized things for me. You know, what would once seems
(49:17):
so important isn't. And for me self care and health
are like first and foremost. But yeah, I don't know.
I really, like I said earlier too, I do hope
it would be really cool if more victims can come
forward and if imagine if more charges could get laid
(49:39):
against him and he did spend a long long time
in jail, like that would be amazing. So we'll see.
Its life is just a work in progress, right like
one day at a time.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Thank you to Heather for helping us tell her story.
True Crime Conversations is a podcast hosted by me Clare
Murphy and produced by Charlie Blackman, with audio designed by
Jacob Brown. Thanks so much for listening. I'll be back
next week with another Through Crime Conversation.
True crime Conversations acknowledges the traditional owners of land and
waters that this podcast was recorded on. It was a
quiet Tuesday morning in the Canadian city of Toronto. Heather
was straightening up her downtown condo, just starting her day.
It was another busy one. She's a real estate broker,
always on the move. This morning's task was a simple one.
(00:29):
Finally get those kitchen cabinets fixed. The hinges had been
loose for weeks, and the building manager had recommended someone,
a handyman named Jace. Right on time, there was a
knock at the door. Heather opened it to find a
man in his early forties, relaxed, athletic toolbag in hand.
He had that kind of calm, casual confidence that immediately
(00:52):
puts people at ease. He introduced himself with a smile
that seemed to land exactly where it was meant to.
Heather led him in, grateful to have one less thing
to worry about on her to do list. As he worked,
they chatted small stuff, favorite neighborhoods, local coffee shops, the
never ending strange charms of condo living. He was easy
(01:13):
to be around, funny present, the kind of guy who
made it easy to forget how long he'd been alone.
But while Jace tightened her cabinet hinges, his phone silenced
and faced down buzzed steadily on the counter beside him.
Because Jace wasn't just a handyman. He was actually Jason Porter,
(01:36):
a serial romance scammer known for slipping into women's lives,
winning their trust, and then disappearing with more than just
their hearts. Heather hadn't heard about him yet, but she
would in that moment. She had no idea how much
damage he could do, or how close she already was
to becoming his next target. I'm Claire Murphy and this
(02:01):
is True Crime Conversations, a podcast exploring the world's most
notorious crimes by speaking to the people who know the
most about them. Jason Porter scammed dozens, potentially hundreds of
women across Canada over more than a decade, using romance
scams as his primary method. He targeted women mostly through
(02:21):
dating apps like Plenty of Fish, Eharmonymatch dot Com, and Bumble,
often using fake names like Jay Stone, Donato, and Mike.
At the peak of his romance scam campaign, he had
hundreds of women on the hook, and when Heather unknowingly
stumbled into the midst of this complex ring of broken
hearts waiting to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
She would stop dead in her.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Tracks, seeing again and again words that she thought meant
only for her, repeated over and over and over again,
each unsuspecting victim falling for the exact same charm that
she had. While many women do not report being scammed
by someone who gets to them via dating apps, Heather
(03:05):
said the shame. I'm taking this guy down, even if
it's the last thing I do. But getting there would
not be easy, and Jace still had some tactics left
up his sleeve to try and once again get away
with innocent women's money while breaking their trust. Heather stars
in the Amazon Prime documentary Who the Heir Is Jason
(03:26):
Porter and talks to us now about the man she
thought she loved, the man who she would help put
behind bars. Heather, thank you so much for joining us
today after watching rom Con. I think the overarching feeling
we've gotten from seeing you talk about your experience of
(03:46):
being targeted by a romance scammer is like you are
such a boss lady, like you've been through the actual
worst and used it as feel for the fire like it.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Do you feel.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
After your experience of not only what you went through
with Jason Porter, but also filming this documentary, do you
feel stronger on the.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Other side of your experience.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That's a good question. I do. After making the documentary
and going through the criminal justice system, I really feel
like I took one of the worst things that has
ever happened to me in my life. Well, actually know,
let me rephrase that this meeting, meeting Jay's at the
(04:30):
beginning was great, but when I learned the truth, that's
probably the worst thing in terms of something being unfair,
and by reclaiming it, it just it's given me my
power back. You know, I don't want to be Nobody
wants to wake up and be a victim. So if
you can take that victim hood and make it victorious,
(04:56):
it's it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Well, let's go back to when you did first meet
Jays because the way you describe it in the documentary,
Rome Con is like every woman's fantasy.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's like romances that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We read in books like can you explain to us
how he like initially grabbed your attention and kept hold. Yes,
it was like a Hollywood meet cute, you know, there.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I opened the door and there's this super cute guy.
He wasn't His predecessor was this chubby Eastern European guy
named ole egg Or Olaf and so I wasn't expecting
to open the door and just he's such a cutie
and he chase. I guess I could still say it
(05:48):
in the present. He is. He was so charming and
so flirtatious and not knowing who he was, and that
that's all part of his game. It's easy to get
hooked in, to get pulled into that, because I've never
had from the first day we met to when we
(06:09):
went on our first date, it was about two and
a half week lag, and I have every single text
message he has ever sent me and the in between
it was that was some of the spiciest, most flirtatious
texts we've ever sent one another back. And I thought
it was me and I was so special, But then
learning that that's what he said to Tiffany, and that's
(06:33):
what he said to Leslie, and that's what he has
on his online chats. It's his bible. I guess, it's
his you know, his playlist in a way, and he
obviously like it works. It worked. I was, I was
googly eyed. I was on cloud night for weeks and
months and even years with him.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I think that's what really like felt like a knife
to the gut when watching this all unfold was when
they do put up the comparisons between what he was
saying to you and what he was say saying to others,
which really matched almost word for word. But then the
story you tell about the night of your first date
when he first kisses you, is also the same story
(07:20):
shared by the other women, And that feels like such
an intimate and special moment. Can you just talk me
through first your first kiss with him, and then how
it feels to know that that exact same scenario has
played out for I mean, not even knowing how many
other women.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So yeah, we had gone out for dinner and it
was summer, so we walked. He came on his motorcycle
and we walked to a restaurant and walked home, and
he had left, you know, the motorcycle, helmet and the
infamous backpack in my place, and so we went up
and I just remember I actually had Baxi, my little
(08:01):
dog that's in the documentary. I was holding him and
we were sort of shuffling in the door way, and
it was one of those like oh, like is he
going to kiss me? Should I kiss him? And I
don't know what came over in me, but I leaned
in and just kind of went And that's when he
took Baxter, plopped him on the ground, dropped his helmet,
(08:22):
dropped his backpack, and literally pushed me up against the wall.
And when I say, it left me breathless, and it
left me weak. And then I have ever been kissed
like that. When I heard Tiffany's story, which was I
think around the same time as my first kiss, I
was floored. I it is wild that he did the
(08:51):
same thing to me, to her, to who knows how
many other women. For so many years, I thought I
was so special and that he made me feel special
because every day, day and day out, I would hear
You're the love of my life. You he he would
call me all the time throughout the day. And when
I was making I love you, BUYE, I love you, BUYE,
I love you BUYE. When you're told I love you,
(09:13):
I love you, I love you, you feel very special.
So to hear that my whole love story is just
a move. He has that he's perfected. It's pretty got wrenching,
but you know, to learn that I really wasn't special sucked.
(09:39):
I'm not gonna lie like, it really was awful. But
to rosso realized that any of the problems in the
relationship weren't me was also really kind of liberating. I
remember one day after learning the truth, I called my
mom and I was kind of laughing crying. I was like,
oh my god, it wasn't I didn't mess this up, Like,
(10:00):
it wasn't me, it was him. So from that perspective,
it was so bad. But you know, to be honest,
it took me a long time just to make sense
of it and to make peace with it. And there's
still some days where I'll say, it's like impossible to
make sense of something so sounds less.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think what people want to understand the most out
of this, and especially for people who've been caught out before,
is where were you because you met him in twenty eighteen.
So what was the twenty eighteen version of Heather looking like?
Because from what I can gather, she was pretty happy
being solo and living life and being successful and wasn't
(10:43):
looking for a relationship at that point in time, and
in fact, you'd been single for quite a while by
that stage. So what made you the perfect victim for
Jason Porter?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
What did he see in you that made you a
good target?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think what made me a good target for him
was robbably that I coupled his like for every it's
like chest right like, for every move he did, I
would meet him there in the beginning, right like, So
if he flirted, I flirted back because I thought at
first it was just a game until it started getting serious.
(11:18):
But once we became physical and intimate, I was gone
because there were so many of those like feel good
hormones raging through my body that I couldn't even see straight.
So and like I say in the documentary, like all
of a sudden, like the little things in life, he
(11:39):
just had this way of making everything so much fun,
whether it was going on the motorcycle or going to
the grocery store or just now of a sudden, it's like,
oh my gosh, I have somebody just to you know,
make dinner and sit on the couch with Like it
was quite It was a nice welcome change from being solo. Heather,
(12:00):
and now I all of a sudden had somebody I
could talk to about my day and talk to about work,
you know, like I I. I had been in and
out of a relationship before I met him, and I
had this, you know, like a comfort flanket kind of friend,
you know, not really, I don't like the term friends
with benefits, but I did have somebody in my life
(12:21):
that while the into the the physical intimacy with that
person was gone, I still had him as a friend. Yeah, Jace,
just I don't know, he just when you're I'd never
felt like that before. I had never had somebody also
so quickly and openly and brazenly declare their love for
(12:43):
me and tell me how incredible. I was like, it's
messes with your brain, but it also, not knowing what
he was doing, it felt incredible. Why wouldn't I want
to see where this went? I remember, probably like a
month after meeting him, walking down the street and I
ran into a friend I hadn't seen in a while,
(13:04):
and she was like, oh my god, you're glowing like
I'm in love. I'm in love, like I owned being
in love like a new badge. I was just like,
you gotta fall in love. It's the best thing ever
because it felt incredible, and it's sad that it really
wasn't real, but in the moment it arn't knowing it
(13:26):
was great.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
What did he creative himself?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Because he span a lot of stories that created this
vision of who Jay s Peretti as he called himself.
They're not Jason Porter, Like, what was he telling you
about himself? And if you could explain to how that
didn't just reel you in, but also your friends and
family to a point too, because he was creating this
(13:54):
version of a human that didn't exist, which was quite
appealing to everybody.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I think with Jess, I'd like to think that when
he was in prison as Jason Porter, you probably had
a lot of time to sit around and think, and
I think he crafted up these tall tales. So when
he first got out of federal prison, he changed his
name from Jason Porter to Jason Parati. And then by
(14:20):
the time I met him, Parati had morphed into Parati.
And when I met him that day that first stay
at my condo, and he right away told me he
had gone to the University of Waterloo and he was
really a software engineer. But because of what he was
navigating with the family court system, he was just taking
a break from corporate world. So when he would share
(14:42):
his tall tales of living in China and living in
Japan and working at this job, being in my mid
to late forties, I have a lot of that back then,
Like I have a lot of successful friends. I was successful,
I am successful. So they were believable stories. So, you know,
for him to say, oh, I lived, I worked at
(15:04):
this company and I lived in China, well, of course
you did. Why wouldn't you, You know, I have been
I think, like most people, like, I meet people and
I don't think right off bout oh he's lying there,
they're not. You know, you take people at their word,
at their face value. So of course I believed him
that he had all these great stories. I mean even
(15:28):
you know, the way he wooed my mom was, you know,
both my parents are really into history, and the stories
of his both his Italian grandparents fighting for the Allies
in World War Two. Literally one of the stories that
he told us it's exactly the same as the Great Escape,
that famous movie. Wow. Okay, yeah, And my mom even
(15:49):
said that one night at dinner, She's like, sounds like
the Great Escape. He's like, it is like the Great Escape,
but that was my grandfather. They based that on him
and all those other people, and we're like, oh wow.
I mean it's now that we know who he is,
it's completely far fetched and alive. But at the time
we were just like, wow, like he just you know,
they say sometimes there's like nuggets of truth in the lies,
(16:14):
but most of his stories I think they're from books, movies,
who knows, but it's pretty much all lies.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I mean, I know you said he probably had some
time in prison to really think about things and spin
these stories in his own mind. But I imagine, like
a young man doesn't just wake up one day and
he's really great at making women believe that he's this amazing,
wonderful boyfriend. Material Like, any idea where he might have
learnt this behavior or is there any idea from like
(16:45):
his family. Have they ever spoken about maybe what he
was like when he was a younger man. Do you
have any concept of where he would have learnt this behavior?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You know, I've never spoken to anyone in his family.
I would love to.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Even though you're together for quite a few years.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Right, yeah, Oh, that definitely, I mean, but that was
also like, now that's a glaring red flag that I've
never met his family, but he again, he had when
I would say, like, what's up with your brother? Why
can't we meet? You know, let's go meet your brother,
he had a whole story as to why we weren't
you know, why him and his brother were estranged right now,
(17:25):
And he had this way of like turning it around.
So then you just felt so bad for kind of
stirring the pot and making him feel bad, you know.
But that's what gaslighting is. But I didn't know that
at the time. I have no idea because he does
have a brother who I've never met, but I've learned
(17:49):
enough about him since to know, like his brother is
a normal person with a wife and kids. Like how
can a family have one child who's so mendacious and
one who's normal. I mean, I don't know. I'd love
to one day learn the tr ruths to all his backstory.
But you know, his parents are dead. I actually, through
(18:12):
our whole relationship, was under the impression that his biological
father was still alive, because he used to talk about
his dad as if he were still alive. But any
parental figure in his life is gone, you know, And
that's The other question with all this, are these psychopaths
born this way or is it a learned behavior?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I don't know, he said, like that was an obvious
red flag and the beauty of hindsight as you can
probably identify a ton of red flags now looking back.
But where any of your friends or family noticing suspicious
behaviors during the start of your relationship. Did anyone ever
(18:53):
say to you, maybe this guy's not quite right?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
No? I mean, in the documentary, my good friend Kristen
shares how she would talk to him at length about
she would grow him on China because she goes to
China or she used to a lot, and for as
she says, for a guy who lived in China for
two years to no Mandarin and know really nothing. To her,
(19:20):
it was suspicious. But you know, nobody told me because
I think I was just so happy, Like I was
really happy, and I don't think anyone wanted to burst
my bubble, so they just sort of kept their thoughts
to themselves. Had they shared this with me, I would
(19:43):
like to think I would have listened, But it's hard
to say, right because you know, with Kristen, he made
it very clear how he felt about her. He and
he would say things like, I don't think she's a
good friend for you. She's not a healthy person. So
he would flip it around, so I would start to
question my friendship. She's one of the most loyal people
(20:06):
in the world, Like we're still very, very close to
this day. I adore her. You know, it's crazy to
think that that's what they do. They weaponize everything, love, friends, family,
They isolate. I mean, it's one of their tactics. They do,
try to isolate you, and in our case, the pandemic
(20:26):
that perfectly into it, you know, And I mean, there's
it's crazy to me, Like there's times where I've wondered,
did he have some insight into what was happening with
the world before the rest of us, because we were,
you know, that whole Italy trip. We were supposed to
(20:47):
have gone to Italy early March, like two weeks before
the world shot down, but he about a month before
we were supposed to go. You know, he came home
one day and he was like, oh my god, you know,
the family court is now happening when we're supposed to
go to Italy. So it's all just I don't know,
It's like it's just to this day all a bit
(21:08):
of a mystery. But yeah, he's I don't know, like
was he born that way? I don't know. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Up next, Heather describes what life was like once she
and Jason moved in together, and how more cracks in
his story.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Started to show when the pandemic hit.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You move in together, and so you're spending like really
long periods of time to start within a small apartment together,
and then you move into a bigger property further out
of the city. But I imagine it would have been more
difficult for him to cover up because it's not like
he stopped being a scammer for other women during the pandemic.
(21:52):
In fact, it continued on just as it did beforehand.
But he's not as free to physically.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Spend time with other women.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But it would have been harder for him to cover
his tracks while you are in a small space with
him at all times, Like, did you ever see any
anything that made you wonder or think it was he
really just that good at keeping things separate because he
was doing so many things at once, which is what
I think really surprised me that he's able to keep
so many women on the hook. Manipulating so many taking
(22:22):
things from them like physical items, but also you know,
money and lots of other things, Like how is he
managing all of that whilst also existing in a pandemic
state with you?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So even like before the pandemic, I remember, it would
have been probably in the first six months of our relationship,
you know, with his backstory being that he had worked
in China. He came home and he's like, oh, I've
picked up a small contracting gig for that company, but
because of the time change, I'm going to have to
like stay up late. I'm like, okay, So I would
(22:56):
go to bed at a normal time and he would
stay up half the night. So I think that's when
he would be engaging with a lot of these you know,
he probably then had the app but who's kiddingho like
he's addicted to his phone. Probably when he went to
the bathroom, he would have his phone and be on
the apps texting people. But you know, when we hit lockdown,
(23:17):
Within probably two weeks of the lockdown or less, he
started looking for a moonlighting job, as he called it,
and he was able to because not I don't know
what it was like in Australia, but in Canada, you know,
certain things were deemed essential services, and I think construction
(23:37):
I believe must have fallen into that because he was
able to get a moonlighting, cash paying job working renovating
a nightclub. Just next door to Toronto is a little
a smaller city called Mississauga, so he was going out
to Mississauga. So that gave him also a lot of
freedom to claim he was, you know, working late or
(24:01):
doing this or doing that, and go on dates. And
there was one weekend in there that I remember, and
this isn't in the documentary, so I'm probably not supposed
to talk about it, but the guys who hired him
for the nightclub, apparently they were having a guy's weekend
to go and race sports cars and motorcycles at a
track east of the city. And I was like, go, like,
(24:23):
you know, go have fun. Why not, it's a guy's weekend.
But it wasn't a guy's weekend because after the article
came out, a woman emailed me and it was confirmed
that that guy's weekend he was actually with another woman.
So I think, to answer your question, the pandemic actually
gave him more power more, you know, if anything, my
(24:48):
guard would be even more down because I'm locked up
and what am I going to do? So I never
I never questioned what he was doing. Never in a
million years thought he was cheating on me.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, is it cheating if he was never really in
that relationship in the first place?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Maybe not. After the pandemic, you're spending a bit.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Of time out on your parents' farm, and one day
your mom notices that a lot of her jewelry is missing,
stuff that had been in a safe that was unlocked
from her rooms.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
In the beginning.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It's very much like no one is even considering that
Jace might have taken these things, And in fact, your
mum talks in the documentary about confronting the cleaner about it,
who told her that Jace had taken them, and she
still couldn't believe that that was the case. When you
heard that from your mum what the cleaner had told you,
(25:44):
did any part of you at any stage start to
consider that maybe it was him, or were you so
happy and stable in that relationship that you thought that
there was no way that could potentially.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Be what happened. My mom never told me about confronting
the cleaning lady when it was happening. It was. I
learned about it after the fact that the cleaning lady
had quit. We were all surprised when I got into
the computer and started seeing you know, emails for like
(26:17):
this ring, that brace, like it was. I could not
believe what I was seeing. I think because again he
was with my mom's stuff, Like none of us wear
all our jewelry all the time, right, So I don't
think she noticed it was happening until one day she
(26:38):
noticed it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So this could have been going on for months.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I do you know it was going on for months
and months because of some of the evidence I found,
it was dated as such. Right, the first thing that
went missing actually was in the fall of twenty nineteen.
That's how long I was going on for. And yeah,
I think Jace probably figured out like where the things
(27:03):
were kept, and you know, like that little safe was,
and when we would go for a visit or he
would you know, go up on his own, and my
mom would be like, you know, here's the key, here's
the alarm code, let yourself in, make yourself a coffee.
Because she trusted him. I think it was so easy.
He was like a kid in a candy store. He
(27:25):
couldn't help himself. He would just go and take one
thing and then he could sell it and he'd have
a bit of money, and then he would take another
thing and sell it. So it took. It wasn't until
like that one day that they really went through all
the bags and they were like, oh my god, it's
and when we still didn't know what it was Jase
until like a couple months later, after all that happened,
(27:47):
like it was. It was shocking. It was shocking. I couldn't.
I didn't. I didn't have the heart to actually tell
my parents it was Jase. I made my sister do
it because I was so upset. I was devastated. I
was devastated, and I my sister had come to my
house and Aurora with her boyfriend, and I was like, Jenny,
(28:09):
you have to tell her. I can't. I didn't have
the heart. I was so ashamed. I was so like
I brought the monster into our home.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That must be so hard to still come to terms
with that. Can see during the documentary how emotionally difficult
it is for you to think about that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It really really is. And yeah, there's the part in
the documentary where my mom says when he's she realized
her both her wedding bands were gone. It's like part
of her marriage, the memories of her marriage are gone.
And you know, now, especially with my dad not being here,
(28:51):
that's that's the worst thing. Like when I said earlier,
learning that my life with Jase was a lie, that
was like a really awful, awful thing, But it's losing
your parent is like such a different kind of pain.
I mean, I would take the pain of what I
discovered with Jase over and over again if it meant
(29:13):
my dad were still here. And when we finally were
going through the court and he, you know it said
he did. Eventually, after three years and three months, he
pled guilty. We got to read victim impact statements and
both of us would say, it's not the monetary value
(29:35):
of what he stole, it's that it's the memories, Like
we're never my mom's never going to get that back,
none of us are. There's nothing for her that you know.
Every time my dad would give her something, it was
a representation of an anniversary or a birthday or a
trip like to commemorate that memory. And now that's all gone,
(29:57):
and there's nothing to pass on to my sister or
myself or my niece, like there's no heirlooms anymore. He
Jace wiped that out. And I remember I was at
a movie with my parents and one of the preview
ads was for Tiffany and my mom like gasps, like
that's my ring and I wanted to just die like
(30:22):
it was awful. No amount of time in jail will
make that better, you know. So it's and even though
he has to pay my mom restitution when he eventually
gets out, which good luck. I don't know how help. Yeah,
it doesn't matter, Like I don't even think she would
keep the money. I think she'd give it to charity,
because it's not it doesn't I don't know. It's something
(30:46):
you could. You know, my therapist and I talk about
this a lot. It's that radical acceptance. You don't have
to like it, but you have to accept that it happened.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
After the break Here the talks about logging into Jason's
email and seeing endless conversations with other women on dating apps.
Can you take us into your mind the day that
you figure out his password to his Gmail account and
you start to see exactly what he's been up to,
(31:18):
Like what is happening in your brain? When you first
start to see all the conversations with all these women,
a lot of it sounds very familiar, and you can
see the sheer volume of conversations he's having on incredible
amounts of dating apps and sites, and like take us
into your mind then when you're just discovering what has
(31:40):
actually been happening in your relationship.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
The first thing I did when I got in the
computer and I started seeing all this, I called him
my first instinct. I picked up the phone and I
called him because I was what it made no sense
to me, and although you know, things had been a
(32:03):
little rocky, you know, was still very much committed to
my relationship with him and my life with him. And
I was like, oh my god. And he didn't answer.
So then I was left in my own devices for hours,
and I took I realized I took pretty coppy screenshots.
I've since mastered it. But it was almost like that
(32:24):
feeling when your your stomach comes up in your throat,
because it's like the room kind of started spinning, and
I think maybe it was shock. That's what like a
low grade shock must feel like. Because I it, I
(32:46):
was like flabert like I am right now, trying to
describe it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing at all,
Like it blew my mind. It's almost like I feel
like I got split in half because there was part
of me that's like, this is insane, and oh my god,
(33:08):
I'm in love with this person. Like how it was
just black and white, there was no gray in that moment,
and it was so awful. It was I didn't want
to believe it, and I think I say on the
documentary too, I just I didn't know what to do.
(33:28):
I couldn't believe when I got into the one of
the dating apps, like his actual profile, It's not like
he was talking to two or three women. It was
hundreds of every age, every ethnicity, like and always like
(33:48):
oh my god, you're so beautiful, hey beautiful, And I'm like,
oh my god. That I would walk through our house
in Aura and he'd be like, hey beautiful, Hey beautiful,
Hey beautiful. In that moment too, it's like everything that
I thought to be like the kiss, like everything that
I thought to be special and true about my relationship
was just a line and a lie. You know. I
(34:11):
don't know would it be easier if I had just
gotten in the computer and saw he was cheating with
one person that would really hurt and that would suck,
but it would be like, oh okay, but it's hundreds
of people that he's talking to. It's very he's a predator.
And then to you know, go down my rabbit hole
(34:31):
and realize Jace Paratti aka Parati is actually Jason Porter.
The original online Romeo was shocking, shocking.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I think what's so.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Incredible about this documentary, rom Con is that there's actual
footage of you from this period when you are discovering,
and you can see the sheer amount of emotions that
you are experiencing in that moment. I mean, you are terrified,
you are angry, upset, like all the gamut of emotions,
(35:10):
and you say police do get involved, and it seems
like they're pretty dismissive of the things that you're telling them. Initially,
and as you said, you had to leave your house
even though you know he was the one who had
you know was a convicted criminal, which you just figured out.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And that he was still committing crimes.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And then it seems like, I don't know, this rod
of steel grows in your spine and you sit down
and they're like no, I'm not going to let this
man get away with what he's done, not just to me,
but to all these other women. What do you think
was happening to you in that moment, Because women especially
(35:51):
who were caught out by romance scammers notorious. You feel
really shameful about it and very embarrassed, and that is
completely understandable. It is you've not just taken advantage of financially,
You're taking an advantage of someone emotionally, which I think
is sometimes harder to recover from.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Than a financial knock.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
What do you think it was about you in that
moment that you were like, he'll no, this guy's going
to pay.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I think I very much became like a dog with
a bone, like I wasn't going to let this go.
I wanted answers, I wanted Look, I would still love
to be able to talk to the brother and like
find out what went wrong in your childhoods that he
turned out this way. But I think it's when the
(36:39):
police were just so dismissive with me that it gave
me even more purpose to keep going. Like I I
think in a way, after the article came out, I
just was tunnel visioned to keep going and keep learning.
(37:02):
And in a way he made it easy because he
just kept the criminal justice thing rolling along and rolling along,
which gave me even more ammo and anger to just
get to the bottom of it. Like I just wanted
just to serve for what he did to us, but
I equally wanted to try and expose him so he
(37:27):
couldn't do this to anyone else. And it's incredible how
many people have reached out to me to say, like,
I know, I know, it's he never stopped. Now he's
finally stopped because he's finally in jailed. But if I
were twenty years younger and I had gone through this,
(37:48):
I probably would have just remained in the shame and
licked my wounds and been like, oh, that sucked. But
in the middle of all this, I turned fifty, and
I couldn't have peace with myself if I just let
it go. I just had to. I had to get
the answers, and to be honest, I still don't have
(38:09):
all the answers. There's still quite a few pieces of
the puzzle missing. I hope with the documentary that perhaps
it might bring more people forward who were affected by him.
But somewhere along this journey too. By reclaiming my power
(38:31):
and taking charge of the story line and working on
the documentary and having so many incredible people want to
bring my story to light, it's given me even more
confidence that I know I'm doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hey, you touched on something there.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It's incredible because while the court system was very slowly
grinding away with this case, as you mentioned it took
three years or more, like he was.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Still on the dating apps.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
This was happening like people you know and who were
keeping an eye on things and researching, and yourself for
finding him still putting profiles up on these dating apps
whilst he was going through criminal charges Like that seems
wild to me, like if you are facing a jail
term and yet you're still doing the crime.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
But isn't that what makes him like a psychopath? Mm?
Because he doesn't have This guy has no remorse, he
has no empathy, he has no conscience. I don't think he.
I can't speak for him, but it from what I've observed,
(39:53):
it's like, on one hand, he's going through criminal court
and then he's probably going on a date that very
night with somebody. It's like to him there too, it's
you know, on our first date, he talked to me
about how he puts everything in boxes. And I know
(40:14):
men more than women, they can compartmentalize their emotions a
bit better. So I chalked it up to some of
his behavior through our relationship. I was just like, oh,
he's compartmentalizing. But when the truth came to light, I
was like, oh my god, it's like he has, you know,
this memory in this box and this one in this box.
(40:34):
So this current situation is this box and this one's
this box, and he just pulls it out and opens
it when he needs it. I don't think you said
something else earlier. And it was interesting, Jace really drank.
If we went out for dinner, he might have one drink,
whereas I love wine, like I could you know, I'm
(40:56):
not going to drink a whole bottle. And now I
realized when the truth came to light, I think he
would do that on purpose too, because you know, there's
that saying loose lips sinks ships.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So we had to keep these ducks in a row exactly.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
And so you know, all of the other women in
the documentary, all of our stories are the same, but
with like a little bit of you know, he might
have told this woman and you know I was wearing
a blue sweater and with me it was a green sweater.
Like there's little differences, but overall it's the same sort
of story, and I think he has to It must
(41:36):
be exhausting being him, like how many people has Like
you'd have to think who have I told this to?
Who have I told that too? So he has to
keep it pretty tight, like it's it's crazy, it's he's
pretty well.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I think that is really evident when you're going through
the court proceedings and there's that moment where you see
the people coming out but too quickly, and you're like,
hang on, what's happened? And then you find out that
there's some allegations of tampering because flyers were left on
cars allegedly by yourself telling people, warning people about him.
(42:15):
But then it turns out like that's another lie that
he's tailing in court.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah. Yeah, he showed up in court and lied to
a you know, a superior court judge, a crown attorney,
his own attorney. It's crazy. Yeah, it's I think I
say in the documentary, you know, during Lockdown, we watched
I think almost every Law and Order because yeah, like
(42:40):
I used to joke, I'm like I broke Netflix, like
I broke the Internet TV because we watched so many shows.
But somehow he got the idea, you know, between the
flyers didn't come that date, Like everybody left court that day,
and then it was two days later when court resumed
that the flyers mysteriously like were found, and it gave
(43:04):
so that little interlude gave him time to like and
scheme and be like, how can I get out of this?
You know, it was his hail Mary, because yeah, and
it's crazy if you think about it, somebody would actually
go that far to do it, But I mean people
do all kinds of crazy things.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
How do you feel about his sentence?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Because he will send its to two years in prison,
three years' probation, and then, as you mentioned, he does
have some cave. It's like he does have to pay
your mum restitution for the stolen jewelry, and he also
has to report to his probation officer every time he's
in a new romantic relationship, which is going to be
interesting to see how that's tracked after he gets out
of prison. But like, how do you feel about that
(43:43):
sentence because I guess from an outsider's perspective, it doesn't
seem like a lot considering the amount of damage he
did to so many people.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I agree, and in fact, the judge gave more time
than the Crown was asking for because I guess in Canada,
I don't know what it's like in Australia, though we
all come from British law, like our courts follow that system.
But apparently in Canada it's miraculous that he even got
(44:13):
the time he did. When you look at just if
you're looking at just what was stolen, people don't go
to jail for that long for stealing, you know things.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
That's the thing too, because he's charged with theft, but
not really about all the other stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Because we didn't have all the evidence. And when he
erased the computer that night after the police left a
lot of stuff that I had screenshotted but had not
retrieved off the computer got erased. Yes, so I think
it was. In the end, it was like two counts
of theft over five thousand and one count of crime
(44:51):
over five thousand, which is great because again in Canada
there's like theft and crime under five thousand is like
one set of charges and then anything above five thousand
becomes another. But I mean, the truth is, like I said,
he is, he's still has three other outstanding criminal cases
in three different areas, one being Leslie's watch, the other
(45:15):
being these new charges. And there's something else that happened
in twenty twenty two that I still don't even know
what that's about. It has nothing to do with me.
So he still has more charges, which I hope it
adds more time on because also the way it works
in Canada is it's crazy that I know this now,
but he got two years less one day you go
to provincial jail. Anything over two years you go to
(45:37):
federal prison. Either way, neither are good, Like I don't
think you want to be in either of those institutions.
But I would love to see more time thrown at
him for these other crimes that he's done. But I
also think, you know, I heard somewhere when these guys
(45:57):
like him go to prison jail, it's like college for criminals,
and he's going to meet other scammers and other people
while he's locked up, and he'll maybe come out with
some new ideas, some new EMMO. Who knows. I don't
know how effective the whole system is, Like, I don't
know if people like him ever get fully rehabilitated. Yes,
(46:20):
he deserves to be locked up, and I'm very glad
he is, and I do feel like some justice was served,
but it was I was hoping he would get like
at least ten years and come out on an old man,
but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
How do you now start to rebuild and recover and
step away from this? Because I presuming you can't fully
ever step away from it with the sheer number of
people who are attached to Jason Porter and you really
being the face of his crimes now, I guess you're
contacted by I don't know how many people on the
(46:55):
regular who have been impacted by him, But like, can
you step away from it now?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Can you recover?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
And do you ever have another romantic relationship for as
long as you live? Like, how do you move on
from these?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Well? I am dating and I'm very happy nice been
seeing a lovely, lovely man, but it's been very slow
because it is. It has been hard. It's really interesting.
I talked to Leslie a lot about him and dating
(47:30):
because she's gone through it too, and it takes time
to it. Some days in the relationship it's like one
step forward, two steps back, one step forward too, and
it's it's not him, it's me, and I fully own it.
And he gets in and thank God, he's so loving
and patient and sees what I've gone through and he
(47:51):
just wants to, you know, be supportive and make my
life better. But it's it takes time, you know. I'm
glad it's been over three years, right, so I've given
myself a lot of time to process. But to answer
the first part of the question, I still find myself
(48:12):
going on the court dockets seeing when he'ssy up next
in court, like what's going on. I don't know if
I'd love to be able to say I've put it
all behind me, but as long as there's still the
outstanding matters, I'm still kind of connected to it, especially
with the obstruction of justice charges with the Flyer, because
(48:33):
I will be a witness at that trial if it
goes to a trial. But I think one anyone who's
ever been in my shoes or sadly might end up
in my shoes. You just have to give yourself a
lot of compassion. I'm very lucky I have incredible, Like
(48:54):
I have the most amazing family and such a strong
network of friends, and I've done a lot of therapy.
You know, I walk my dog all the time because
when I just have to clear my head, I'll go
for a walk. But I really have this has definitely
reprioritized things for me. You know, what would once seems
(49:17):
so important isn't. And for me self care and health
are like first and foremost. But yeah, I don't know.
I really, like I said earlier too, I do hope
it would be really cool if more victims can come
forward and if imagine if more charges could get laid
(49:39):
against him and he did spend a long long time
in jail, like that would be amazing. So we'll see.
Its life is just a work in progress, right like
one day at a time.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Thank you to Heather for helping us tell her story.
True Crime Conversations is a podcast hosted by me Clare
Murphy and produced by Charlie Blackman, with audio designed by
Jacob Brown. Thanks so much for listening. I'll be back
next week with another Through Crime Conversation.
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