August 28, 2025 • 30 mins
From Taylor Swift’s engagement meltdown to Abbey's birthday, this week’s episode is full of love, laughter and a whole lot of glitter. But it’s also a landmark moment for Aussie sport - we reflect on former Eagle Mitch Brown’s brave step as the first openly bisexual AFL player, and what it means for the game and beyond. Plus: Carlos Alcaraz’s buzzcut disaster (thanks, bro), and a little existential birthday therapy along the way.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here at two Good Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the
land on which we record this podcast. There were innerie people.
This land was never seated, always was, always will be.
Happy birthday to you, dear listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You're one hundred and two.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We are celebrating today because our dearest Abs tell me
it's a birthday.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Georgie has put a display in this room that would
rival what Travis Kelsey organized during their podcast, supposedly to
drop a knee to Taylor. There are balloons that's say
thirty five that must be a clerical error, and just
the most spectacular gifts. You do birthdays and celebrating people
unlike anyone I know. Oh, I love the skill of yours.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I love it because you're incredibly busy. You are such
a busy person. You're such a busy mum, and sometimes
I think you forget just how awesome you are. I
need there to be balloons, I need there to be glittered,
and I need them to be confetti, and I need
you to swim around in it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Am.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I am swimming. There are laps, there are hot laps,
but also yesterday was arguably the biggest day on your calendar,
so much so that other people on social media have
literally put out messages going has anyone checked on the
welfare of Georgie Tunny, because not only was their massive
news in the AFL world, which we'll get to, your
girls engaged.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
My girls engaged, My girls engaged? Someone cue, here comes
the bride.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And yes we're talking about taylorswoot. But Travis Kelsey technically
plays football, So just let me.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It matters, guys, it matters. It is relevant to the
sports world.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
And what all I can say is that everyone grab you. Okay,
we're all getting married. It's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
When I woke up yesterday, I actually didn't check my
phone first off.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I was like having a shower, getting ready to start
my day.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Hang hang on, you're one of the point zero zero
one percent of the population that get out of was
your phone dead?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, this is the thing. I am the person that
always checks phone first.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
This was an anomaly, even nus be otherwise, Like you
check your phone to even see what time it is,
to see if you should get out of it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I just I just got up. I was in
the shower.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I had ABC News Breakfast on our dear friend Catherine Murphy,
who's been on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
She was started reading the news and she goes and
take days engaged.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I nearly died because I had that shower on
one thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Because it's so cold in Melbourne female there's steam everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I don't have the best coordination at the best of times.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I've taken a terrible fall trying to get to the phone.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I was like, what, what do you mean? What?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And then just to learn that one of my best
friends in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Taylor Swift, and she didn't call. She didn't call.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I checked. Then I immediately checked my phone to see
if I'd missed a call. I hadn't, but I had
missed approximately a million messages from people being like, babe,
wake up Taylor's.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And it was just wonderful. And I know, tell me that.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Look, we've talked a lot about Travis Kelcey on this
podcast previously. This could be the thing that gets him
over the line for me, because because.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He hasn't been so far. But the second I saw this,
I was like, is she gonna be happy about this?
Because you like the Bruders as opposed to the Labrador Retrievers.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I know, which just goes against every morsel of my
history and growing up watching football.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Do you know what I mean? But I Jason Kelce though,
oh on board, fabulous, love him, oh.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Love him, love him.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But I think that he has given Taylor something that
she has literally been singing about since she was sixteen,
and I actually think, in full Taylor mode, she has
manifested this because you belong with me. It was all
about just wanting the guy on the football team to
notice her. In Mary's song in two thousand and six,
she has a line, I'll be eighty seven, You'll be
(03:50):
eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
He wears number eighty seven. She's born in nineteen.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Eighty nine, famously famously in twenty seventeen reputation ready for it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Hmmmmm.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Knew he was a killer first time that I saw him.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Okay, no, yeah, but his handles killer trash and she's
like a philosopher.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah I know, Look I didn't did I kind.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Of hate She started singing about a partner that plays
video games. Look, and in the podcast was like, yeah,
so I got my master's back and I just fell
to the floor and tears. So I went and got Travis.
Remember you were playing video games and I was like,
and he took his headset off, and I was like,
don't be. Don't be someone that wears a headset and
plays video games as an adult man. Do you know, sorry,
(04:32):
Robert to your partner does.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is what Robert does.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I tried not to think about it though, so you're accurate.
You're accurate there. But for me, did I love or
hate the comment? It was a bit of both. The
caption of the Instagram post, which now has something insane
like it would have many millions of likes on it,
but it was like your English teacher and your gym
teacher getting married, there was part of me that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Went, but it is, It's exactly what it is. That
is what it is. That is what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
She seems so happy and she just needs someone that's
going to be there and constantly clapping her, and that's
all she's wanted.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
She is the entire book, and he's the exclamation point.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, that is him, that is him, one hundred percent.
And we'll cop that, we'll cop that, we'll cop that.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That was her own description, You're a human exclamation. I'm
like yeah, because she's like I am everything, and he's
like yeah, what go, babe.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And I mean, if we're not going to do a
deep dive guys in her entire dating hand or she does.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
A whole other bottle, but will stun you. I'm not
a part of.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But but I mean all of her previous partners, they've
had this sort of hesitancy to be in the spotlight,
to be in the public eye, and.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
This is almost like she was a bit embarrassing for
being her. Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yes, they were like, oh god, I don't want all
of the stuff that comes with you.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, and Travis is mean while just being.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like you go, babe, you want me to come up
in a full tux and powder your nose? No wazzes, Yeah,
no worry.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Did I love the ring?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yes? I did, Yes, I did, because you can see
it from space.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That's right, That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was stunning, but also from like a smallish two
hundred and eighty five thousand followers on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But that was when you checked. It probably started on eight.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
A smallish business in York, which is very Taylor as
well vintage inspired, So there was there was lots of
things that have gone into this that I also think
maybe Tree Paine, Taylor's manager, has gotten too Travis's erinpin Like, guys,
when you're doing this, let's let's here's what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Here are the steps, because here are the steps, the steps, This.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Is what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
This is what you do.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Sorry, hitting balloons a balloon just to myself backwards and
there are that many balloons in the room that I'm
just knocking them around, which is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Can I say though, that despite that incredible moment, this week,
Taylor's diss engagement is not actually my good sport flow.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Me over with a feather. What have you got well,
my good sport?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Did you tell me?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Is you? Oh? Is you?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Because, as we've may have mentioned to open this podcast,
it's your birthday. So how better to celebrate and in
true too good sports style with our very favorite art form. G.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
She hasn't got in a dull style, you bet she has.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
G is for genuine, No, just joking.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's for gorgeous hah, A pretty obvious one from me,
because hello, I've got eyes, but your true beauty is
somewhere in that rib cage of yours, thumping happily like
only gargantuanly generous hearts can.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
E is for existential because our listeners.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Damn well, no, we've never met an ember of existential
dread that we did not like.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And flame elle is for laughter.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I have never laughed as hard as they have in
this room with you, not just when we're recording, but
the moment's pre and post. And I know that I
am Hashtager classic Jim Bro. But this is my most
intense core workout of the week.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
M is for mind.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You have one of the sharpest minds in this industry,
but probably also any industry that you put your mind to,
and you're just getting started, and I it's sure. I
love you, you my jail me quite simply make my
life richer than geelong.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If there was a celebrate, we could just get married.
Just just call it na.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Gosh, the goodest of sports, the goodest of sports.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Tell me, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
How I can go on. I'm actually hyper emotional because
I'm hyper tired and existential. Thank you. That is divine.
I need to deflect immediately.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But not even took the top spot, guys, think about that.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, let's just that's the highest of compliments. To be
totally honest, bless you, thank you. I'm not usually I've
really done the big birthday. I'm not a big birthday gal,
so this is this already feels like my biggest birthday.
And by that I mean the biggest number. And I've
already told you that. A friend of mine literally said
to me, and it's the meanest thing you've ever said
to me, cath Carlin, if you were to die, they
(09:01):
would describe you as thirty five with two children. And
I was like, cool, cool, ease for existential. Anyway, we'll
move on because the Golco Suns wouldn't. That's essential if
they didn't make the finals. After the season they put together,
they got as high as second on the ladder, and
last night it came down to what I call wacky
(09:23):
Wednesday because the poor Bulldogs were sitting there somewhere having
not had a mad Monday, watching and going of all
teams that we need to hedge our bets on the
fucking Bombers. I feel free to beat that out. I
don't have imagine them just going guys. Guys. The margin
ended up being ninety five big ones.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That is nuts.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Did you know fun fact that there is only one
player on Essendon's list, like the full list that hasn't
played an AFL game remaining.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
They have blooded.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So Brad Scott was like, there is nothing at the
end of this barrel. There's no one, there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Left, there's no one here.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
There's no one here. The hangar be empty, everything everything
be out. It's and broken.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So, although I did see a funny thing during the
week being like, ah, here is the bomber's new recruit,
Barkus Montempelli, like just to give him a damn chance.
But no, I love this for the Suns. I love
this for footy and I think it's a great thing.
But who knows, who knows how they're going to go
into September. But I do think having footy on a
Wednesday makes the weekend feel like it's closer. Oh, like
(10:31):
some weird silo thing.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yes, yes, I mean with It's lucky I made it
today because between Taylor's engagement, not knowing what day the
football's on your birthday? Like am I in the year
twenty twenty six already?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Can we discuss that you went on air on Channel
ten's very serious news show with like Bride to Be
Love Heart Sonny's and a Kansas chief certsy and I
literally turned it on. I showed came the photo and
Kane's like, she really doesn't care, does she? No, She's
just She's just you are so authentically George on all levels.
(11:05):
Then it's just and there's Jennam in his full suit
being like are you good, and You're like, well, clearly
I am not.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I am not okay, clearly I'm not okay. Do you
know what my first request was a veil? I actually
I actually dialed it back. That's me dialed back authentic
because I was like, I can imagine.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I was like, this is the intro. They surprise come
to me and then I reveal the veil.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But can we also how long have you been engaged
for George?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh, nearly four years, the best part of four years.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
When did you start wedding dress shopping?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So Robert's like, ah, this is what it took. This
is what it took, This is what it took, this
is what it took.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I just need now we're all engaged.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, we are all engaged. I mean, I'm probably this
this is your vows. Then that'll do. That'll do? You
brought me a beautiful ring. We're on I definitely do.
Oh no, it's gonna be like, genuinely, I'm sorry if
you came here to listen to sport chat. I promise
we're going to get there, but I need to like
quick questions, big or small wedding?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh, my heart of hearts, I want her to get
married at the New York Registry Office.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't think that will happen.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Obviously, she'll do a gigantic all American wedding, do you
think I think so? Or at least it's a combination
of two in my girl like Bezo levels of like,
I don't think it'll be that, although I have actually
tabled Lake Como because they were there for a holiday
last year.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Maybe they were sussing out wedding venues.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I'm just saying that potentially that could be something that
they go for. But also, like her Rhode Island house,
like that could be like a huge bash there. She
already does her Fourth of July though, so if she
wants to make that slightly different, I reckon it could
be full ranch all American. What is that show that
everyone watches, Yellowstone or like Yosemite, that's not it?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yellowstone vibes yellow Shone. Yeah, yeah, not that I've thought
about it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, no about it, or who will be a brother? Well,
they get married in thirteen days, thirteen months, or thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I think maybe thirteen months, because it all depends on
if she wants to do a Life of a show
Girl the new album.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And also think he's got football.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, so he's got
the super so after that after that?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, because I also think she'll be performing at the
super Bowl halftime show, which would be a whole other episode.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Guys get excited and do it? Do we not think
it's a little bit like give kill a trap his moment?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
No, no, he doesn't get one. No, he's signed up
for this, like Taylor doesn't give other people moments.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So he knows.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
No, she doesn't matter, no, no, no, So he knows
that and he's aware of that, and that's why maybe
ultimately he is her soul mate.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Will Blake Lively be part of the bridal party?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I think she's not part of the bridal party. I
think she'll be at the wedding. I think the kids
will be involved because she's the godmother.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Right, so Naz is like bringing a ring or.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Something, yeah, something something, or the little one that no
one what's his nip?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
What's he called? Is it odie Obie? But I can't remember,
not in the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So no one knows. I'm like, I heard a rumor
from NZ. You can't believe. I'm like allowing me just
remember all of her kids names, right, Okay, I'm so
glad that we've got to go with that. Yeah, that's
our version of the sport. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Sometimes I have seen people posting being like we need
a fantasy football league about who's going to be bridesmaids,
Like yes, yes to that, Yes to that, and you
get points every week.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I reckon this is why they might do a registry
just because it's too much.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But if they, I reckon they do that, and then
they'd have to have a yeah. Yeah, because she's I mean,
she's going to marry the quarterback, like she's leaning all
in to the All American.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, I know he's not a quarterback. Don't come
for me, but like.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Tight end the d end. Who knows what a tight
end is?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, So I think that's probably I mean, other than
you heights.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's a lot of tay chat on a sports podcast.
And they went for two hours too long.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Actual sports chat. Oh, who am I kidding? That was
sports chat? More sports chat coming up after.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
This when this was talked, brought up.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
At one time when I was playing around no gay
men in the AFL, I remember two people having a
conversation around how they would feel having a shower next
to a gay man, and.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
One of the people, one of.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
The players, referred, I'd rather be in a cage full
of lines than have a shower next to a gay man.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's the voice of Mitch Brown, former West Coast Eagles
player who played ninety four games in the AFL at
the top level between two thousand and seven and twenty
and sixteen. As of yesterday, he is the first openly
bisexual man to have ever played at the top level
in AFL or VFL history. This watershed moment happened on
(16:09):
the Daily OS. After all the reaction that we saw
to the Isaac rankin case last week, he reached out
to The Daily OS and messaged friend of the pod.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Sam Koslovsky, Well done, Sam, by the way, well you
created such a safe space for Mitch to share that story.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
And Sam said, you know what did you? Can you
share with everyone what you messaged me, And he said,
I simply message saying Hi, I'm a bisexual man and
I played AFL And what has happened from there and
what we have seen take place is something that was
again one hundred and twenty nine years in the making.
And for someone to be so selfless as to go first,
(16:46):
I mean, Mitch has nothing to gain from this. He's
not trying to leverage a media career. He simply is
the bravest athlete that we've ever had in this country
that has decided to go you know what, I'm going
to go first.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yes, yes, And I didn't quite believe it when I
started being sent the story and I started it blew
up of course because the Daily Os has produced such
a wonderful piece, and then that proceeded to go everywhere
like it was on every single masthead, online, physical copies.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And it's worth noting he is from a footballing family,
so his twin brother Nathan Brown was recruited at the
same time in two thousand and seven playing for Collingwood
and then with some Kildas so and the fact that
their identical means they are a very recognizable face in.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Football and I think that you talk about the bravery
shown by Mitch here, just the virality of this and
how it did go everywhere in the point two of
a second like this is what we mean by Unfortunately,
it does still take bravery. It's still something obviously that
needs to be addressed, and you actually have to think
about before you say anything because you are going to
get this kind of feedback and this kind of spotlight.
(17:52):
But for Mitch to be this person, I can only
say hats off. No, I can only I just want
to give him a hug, and I honestly I just
want to give him a hug.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But that comment there at the start that we played
is what we took. It was the most cut through
comment that came from the conversation that we found in
that we were talking just last week with Kate McCarthy
around this must be systemic, this must be cultural. And
granted he did stop playing Near On ten years ago,
but he spoke about just how common homophobic slurs were
(18:24):
and that it was used away in combat and in
the moment of the game, that it was used to
bring your opponent down.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Talk to me about combat on the field and the
role of homophobic comments in your playing career as almost
a weapon to be used against your opposition.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
On the field, you're trying to beat your opponent, right,
trying to win, and the best way to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Is to show your strength.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
One of the ways you do that is to belittle
your opponent, bring them down. And you do it physically, yeah,
and then you can do it verbally as well. And
you hear that on the field every single week, every
single game. You hear that in your workplace, on the
(19:13):
building site at schools. You know, I think this year,
you know, it's very known, it's become an AFL problem,
but it's an Australian man's problem.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I think that Mitch's comments there really do go back
to what Kate was so strong on last week, which
was you're not reaching for words that you don't commonly use.
You're not reaching for words that aren't in your vocab
every day, your common vernacular. And it's so disappointing that
you know, this is Mitch's experience, as you say, more
than ten years ago, but it's still so relevant now.
(19:50):
And the timing of all of this, with the Isaac
Rankin case and the decision and the suspension, and now
he's in Europe and he's a part of the Australian
squad and.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
All of this, it all still feels lightly hopeless to me.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I do think that something that needs to be done
more is I think we need to commend the Dylan
administration for doing something.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I know that Andrew Dillon himself, he was very very
strong on wanting Isaac Franklin to have the full five
week suspension.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yes, that's what they were pushing.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
For, and then they landed somewhere in between that. Obviously
with the four weeks. I think that was the wrong decision,
but that's my personal opinion on that. But he is
trying to make changes in an organization that is terrible
at making changes.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
And the person I've heard describe it best was called
a middle mass, and he essentially said, you have a
one hundred year old problem, and the Dylan administration is
the first one trying to cut the weeds. Now they're
just trimming the top, and what's happening is the weeds
are growing back, because that's what happens when something has
its roots in a system. This is deeply rooted in
(20:58):
the AFL system. And hearing that firsthand from someone who's
been there and we know this because the reported cases
that we've heard in the last two years are as
such that there's been so many numbers that this is
something that happens all the time. Yes, so they need
to have more systemic change and education. But I just
(21:18):
think the power of Mitch selflessly deciding to be the
one to go first to talk about you know, I
just wanted to feel myself and I love this message
that's actually from Shay, his ex wife of which they
have children together, and he read this on the podcast
and he said the text read, good luck this morning.
I'm so proud of you and I'm right behind you
(21:39):
all the way. This will make the world a slightly
better place for our boys and young men in Australia,
hopefully old men too. This is living the values of
the kind of man I want our boys to grow
up to be men that care and men areho proud
of who they are. It just gives me goosebumps.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And it's again we can't understate just how huge this
is for the game and hopefully for wider society.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And something that Mitch also highlighted that we want to
highlight in here too, and I think it's something that
we can actively do going forward. Is Mitch sort of said,
the game by nature highlights its best players. Of course
it does. I would love to see it going forward
highlight its best people.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Ooh, I like that. That's nice. That's a nice little change.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And the idea that these are men in society that
are good people, that are kind, people that are authentic,
and I just thought, wow, that would be really powerful.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And also I think it just goes to show the
power of that message because I mean, Mitch left the
game before he probably needed to.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
He says in the.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Podcast that he was asked to stay for another couple
of seasons. That's very lucrative wherever you're playing right, and
he just could not because of the sheer exhaustion of
having to hide who he was listen to that and
be around that kind of culture. I mean, you are
losing good people from the game, even if they can
even get to that stage, you've lost them when they're
you know, twelve thirteen, fifteen. Like, this is the huge
(23:08):
issue that is facing the AFL, but also just sport
in this country, is that you need to build safe spaces,
and you need to have them be sustainably safe and
legitimately safe.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
There's so much talk and it's like, what we're still
not seeing it's not seeing action until Mitch.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yesterday you mentioned that safe place where you want to
just again commend Sam and the Daily os So the
way that they handled this, it was done with so
much grace and a lack of There was no feel
of their just trying to headline grab moment. No, and
it was just it was done so beautifully. And even
just seeing the way that they've commented on other posts
(23:45):
that have reshared, just saying thank you, it was an
honor to bring this to light. I just think it
is podcasts and it's safe media formats like that that
will allow people to have conversations that they may not
have elsewhere. And it was handled so beautifully and I've
been I mean, there are still some comments those that
have left the comments on for this announcement that there
(24:07):
are some comments that you're like, wow, those people are
still in society and are still commenting that way. There
are people that just remind you there it's awful.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What a sad endetment that you just can't leave comments on,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah? I know, But when they have, but I was
buoyed by the vast majority. Oh positive, yes, and I
think that that's a wonderful thing. We can't go to
the negative, which is human.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Get you drowned it, Yeah, you drown in it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But what I'm boyed by is that, you know, I'm
excited for ten twenty years time when we see a player,
an openly gay player in the AFL and they say, oh,
who's your idols? Like, who did you look up to?
And they'll name Mitch Brown. Oh, they'll name Mitch Brown
as at the forefront of this and giving them the
confidence and the courage to be who they are.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
A league that really has for one hundred and twenty
nine years championed courage, bravery, leadership, selflessness. We saw the
best example I've ever seen the AFL yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Tell me.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Fun fact of the pod has to be a special
one because it is your birthday.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Don't know if I've mentioned it yet on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Budget won't be by the time this goes to us.
If you want to message me any day and say
happy birthday, you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Fun fact.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
We love an athlete who's in every man and what
is more relatable than asking a sibling, a close friend,
or maybe even yourself to give yourself a little bit
of a trim sproake yourself up, get some new bangs.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You know we're going through it at the moment. Don't worry.
I'm here, I've got some scissors. Let's give you a
new life.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh cutting someone's fringes and what you do for friends,
you back him off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
It's what Carlos Alcaraz's brother did.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The buzzcut. Oh my god, we're talking about Carlos buzz Karatuz.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yes, And here was his explanation, because inexplicably, two weeks ago,
Carlos Alcaraz one of the hottest Yes, I said it
athletes in sport with his gorgeous flowing brown locks, the Spaniard.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Then he rocks up at the US Open. Where's the
hair gone? There's no hair? Your buzz cut. I'm still
in it. I'm still for it, still for it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
It's an immaculate buzz cut.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's immaculate. He's got the bone structure.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But he got his brother to do it.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'll let Carlos explain.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Suddenly, just my brother just he was miss understood with
the machine. He just cut it and then you know,
the only the only way to fix it, the just
shave it on. And it just the way he came.
You know, the hair got But you to be honest,
(27:00):
it's not that good. It's not that bad.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I guess to be.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Honest, it isn't that good yet Freudian, Freudian, it's not
that good.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I mean, not that bad. I know English is the
second language. Don't come from me.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Carlos Alcaraz I was number one, now number two.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I believe it's still number two.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, yeah, gets his brother to cut his hair. Is
that what we is that what we gathered there? I
need to know if Alcoraz Junior is a hairdresser by
trade or is he lazy?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's not sounding like he is not fair, and if
he was, that is a terrible, terrible advertisement for him.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I can vouch for. There is a special fear of
God that goes through you when the head falls off
and you like offer shaving apparatus and you actually I've
been shaving Kane's head before and it fell off, and
I accidentally gave him like a zero when I was
meant to be giving him the two. But gratefully it
was at the back of his head. And then I
was like, oh, how am I going to fix this?
How does that work? It's hard? Oh he wasn't he
(27:58):
shaving your heads easy? It's hard.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I remember I shaved when I was still working at
ABC Nate burns head for raising money for cancer.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, and I will never forget just how difficult it was.
I was like, oh, this is my new calling. And
then I was like, couldn't even get he's such any care.
Couldn't even get.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And then they go into the light and you're like,
I botch that. Can you see the back of your
own head?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Let's but no mirrors for you?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Can we just stress? I would like to highlight the
sexism here. Oh Britney shaves her head, she's having a meltout.
Carlos shaves his head is a brother's mistake. I just
feel in twenty twenty five, we should still leave Britney alone.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
And I mean, hey, the older that we get, Britney's
making sense.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Again, just dancing with some knives. I just semi naked,
Just have left the building. She's got none left to him.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh, shavers away, guys, shave us away.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
That's what we've learned on this episode. Two good spots.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You are well to what She was probably thirty five
when she shaved her head. I'm gonna find out. I'm
literally googling working Brittany wasn't shaved.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
She probably acually wasn't that old.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
But just in Brittany age, you know, because she's it's
like she's been with us since we were too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So, yeah, she also had to wear low rise jeans. Yeah,
like she went with a lot that woman and dancing
on Jennies. It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
The funniest thing you've ever said. She had to wear
low rise.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, he was the worst to wear the a lot.
It's fair. Okay, Okay, so she was actually hang on,
hang on, producer Aaron over or Unders thirty five when
Brittany had to shave her head. Unders.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, Aaron's right. Aaron's right.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
She was twenty five, So you go, how old are we?
She was twenty five and going through it and going
through it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You're not going through anything at twenty five? What what
do you mean? I get it and her as is twelve.
You don't get to be existential until you're thirty five.
You have made my day surprising absolutely no one. This
(30:08):
is way too much fuss, but I just love and
appreciate you so much. What a day, what a day,
what a day. I'd love you, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Love you too. Until next week.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Thanks for being here.
Here at two Good Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the
land on which we record this podcast. There were innerie people.
This land was never seated, always was, always will be.
Happy birthday to you, dear listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You're one hundred and two.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We are celebrating today because our dearest Abs tell me
it's a birthday.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Georgie has put a display in this room that would
rival what Travis Kelsey organized during their podcast, supposedly to
drop a knee to Taylor. There are balloons that's say
thirty five that must be a clerical error, and just
the most spectacular gifts. You do birthdays and celebrating people
unlike anyone I know. Oh, I love the skill of yours.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I love it because you're incredibly busy. You are such
a busy person. You're such a busy mum, and sometimes
I think you forget just how awesome you are. I
need there to be balloons, I need there to be glittered,
and I need them to be confetti, and I need
you to swim around in it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Am.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I am swimming. There are laps, there are hot laps,
but also yesterday was arguably the biggest day on your calendar,
so much so that other people on social media have
literally put out messages going has anyone checked on the
welfare of Georgie Tunny, because not only was their massive
news in the AFL world, which we'll get to, your
girls engaged.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
My girls engaged, My girls engaged? Someone cue, here comes
the bride.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And yes we're talking about taylorswoot. But Travis Kelsey technically
plays football, So just let me.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It matters, guys, it matters. It is relevant to the
sports world.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
And what all I can say is that everyone grab you. Okay,
we're all getting married. It's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
When I woke up yesterday, I actually didn't check my
phone first off.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I was like having a shower, getting ready to start
my day.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Hang hang on, you're one of the point zero zero
one percent of the population that get out of was
your phone dead?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, this is the thing. I am the person that
always checks phone first.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
This was an anomaly, even nus be otherwise, Like you
check your phone to even see what time it is,
to see if you should get out of it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I just I just got up. I was in
the shower.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I had ABC News Breakfast on our dear friend Catherine Murphy,
who's been on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
She was started reading the news and she goes and
take days engaged.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I nearly died because I had that shower on
one thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Because it's so cold in Melbourne female there's steam everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I don't have the best coordination at the best of times.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I've taken a terrible fall trying to get to the phone.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I was like, what, what do you mean? What?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And then just to learn that one of my best
friends in the world.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Taylor Swift, and she didn't call. She didn't call.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I checked. Then I immediately checked my phone to see
if I'd missed a call. I hadn't, but I had
missed approximately a million messages from people being like, babe,
wake up Taylor's.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And it was just wonderful. And I know, tell me that.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Look, we've talked a lot about Travis Kelcey on this
podcast previously. This could be the thing that gets him
over the line for me, because because.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He hasn't been so far. But the second I saw this,
I was like, is she gonna be happy about this?
Because you like the Bruders as opposed to the Labrador Retrievers.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I know, which just goes against every morsel of my
history and growing up watching football.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Do you know what I mean? But I Jason Kelce though,
oh on board, fabulous, love him, oh.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Love him, love him.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But I think that he has given Taylor something that
she has literally been singing about since she was sixteen,
and I actually think, in full Taylor mode, she has
manifested this because you belong with me. It was all
about just wanting the guy on the football team to
notice her. In Mary's song in two thousand and six,
she has a line, I'll be eighty seven, You'll be
(03:50):
eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
He wears number eighty seven. She's born in nineteen.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Eighty nine, famously famously in twenty seventeen reputation ready for it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Hmmmmm.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Knew he was a killer first time that I saw him.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Okay, no, yeah, but his handles killer trash and she's
like a philosopher.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah I know, Look I didn't did I kind.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Of hate She started singing about a partner that plays
video games. Look, and in the podcast was like, yeah,
so I got my master's back and I just fell
to the floor and tears. So I went and got Travis.
Remember you were playing video games and I was like,
and he took his headset off, and I was like,
don't be. Don't be someone that wears a headset and
plays video games as an adult man. Do you know, sorry,
(04:32):
Robert to your partner does.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is what Robert does.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I tried not to think about it though, so you're accurate.
You're accurate there. But for me, did I love or
hate the comment? It was a bit of both. The
caption of the Instagram post, which now has something insane
like it would have many millions of likes on it,
but it was like your English teacher and your gym
teacher getting married, there was part of me that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Went, but it is, It's exactly what it is. That
is what it is. That is what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
She seems so happy and she just needs someone that's
going to be there and constantly clapping her, and that's
all she's wanted.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
She is the entire book, and he's the exclamation point.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, that is him, that is him, one hundred percent.
And we'll cop that, we'll cop that, we'll cop that.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That was her own description, You're a human exclamation. I'm
like yeah, because she's like I am everything, and he's
like yeah, what go, babe.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And I mean, if we're not going to do a
deep dive guys in her entire dating hand or she does.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
A whole other bottle, but will stun you. I'm not
a part of.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But but I mean all of her previous partners, they've
had this sort of hesitancy to be in the spotlight,
to be in the public eye, and.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
This is almost like she was a bit embarrassing for
being her. Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yes, they were like, oh god, I don't want all
of the stuff that comes with you.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, and Travis is mean while just being.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like you go, babe, you want me to come up
in a full tux and powder your nose? No wazzes, Yeah,
no worry.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Did I love the ring?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yes? I did, Yes, I did, because you can see
it from space.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That's right, That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was stunning, but also from like a smallish two
hundred and eighty five thousand followers on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But that was when you checked. It probably started on eight.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
A smallish business in York, which is very Taylor as
well vintage inspired, So there was there was lots of
things that have gone into this that I also think
maybe Tree Paine, Taylor's manager, has gotten too Travis's erinpin Like, guys,
when you're doing this, let's let's here's what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Here are the steps, because here are the steps, the steps, This.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Is what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
This is what you do.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Sorry, hitting balloons a balloon just to myself backwards and
there are that many balloons in the room that I'm
just knocking them around, which is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Can I say though, that despite that incredible moment, this week,
Taylor's diss engagement is not actually my good sport flow.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Me over with a feather. What have you got well,
my good sport?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Did you tell me?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Is you? Oh? Is you?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Because, as we've may have mentioned to open this podcast,
it's your birthday. So how better to celebrate and in
true too good sports style with our very favorite art form. G.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
She hasn't got in a dull style, you bet she has.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
G is for genuine, No, just joking.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's for gorgeous hah, A pretty obvious one from me,
because hello, I've got eyes, but your true beauty is
somewhere in that rib cage of yours, thumping happily like
only gargantuanly generous hearts can.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
E is for existential because our listeners.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Damn well, no, we've never met an ember of existential
dread that we did not like.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And flame elle is for laughter.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I have never laughed as hard as they have in
this room with you, not just when we're recording, but
the moment's pre and post. And I know that I
am Hashtager classic Jim Bro. But this is my most
intense core workout of the week.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
M is for mind.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You have one of the sharpest minds in this industry,
but probably also any industry that you put your mind to,
and you're just getting started, and I it's sure. I
love you, you my jail me quite simply make my
life richer than geelong.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If there was a celebrate, we could just get married.
Just just call it na.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Gosh, the goodest of sports, the goodest of sports.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Tell me, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
How I can go on. I'm actually hyper emotional because
I'm hyper tired and existential. Thank you. That is divine.
I need to deflect immediately.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But not even took the top spot, guys, think about that.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, let's just that's the highest of compliments. To be
totally honest, bless you, thank you. I'm not usually I've
really done the big birthday. I'm not a big birthday gal,
so this is this already feels like my biggest birthday.
And by that I mean the biggest number. And I've
already told you that. A friend of mine literally said
to me, and it's the meanest thing you've ever said
to me, cath Carlin, if you were to die, they
(09:01):
would describe you as thirty five with two children. And
I was like, cool, cool, ease for existential. Anyway, we'll
move on because the Golco Suns wouldn't. That's essential if
they didn't make the finals. After the season they put together,
they got as high as second on the ladder, and
last night it came down to what I call wacky
(09:23):
Wednesday because the poor Bulldogs were sitting there somewhere having
not had a mad Monday, watching and going of all
teams that we need to hedge our bets on the
fucking Bombers. I feel free to beat that out. I
don't have imagine them just going guys. Guys. The margin
ended up being ninety five big ones.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That is nuts.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Did you know fun fact that there is only one
player on Essendon's list, like the full list that hasn't
played an AFL game remaining.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
They have blooded.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So Brad Scott was like, there is nothing at the
end of this barrel. There's no one, there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Left, there's no one here.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
There's no one here. The hangar be empty, everything everything
be out. It's and broken.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So, although I did see a funny thing during the
week being like, ah, here is the bomber's new recruit,
Barkus Montempelli, like just to give him a damn chance.
But no, I love this for the Suns. I love
this for footy and I think it's a great thing.
But who knows, who knows how they're going to go
into September. But I do think having footy on a
Wednesday makes the weekend feel like it's closer. Oh, like
(10:31):
some weird silo thing.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yes, yes, I mean with It's lucky I made it
today because between Taylor's engagement, not knowing what day the
football's on your birthday? Like am I in the year
twenty twenty six already?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Can we discuss that you went on air on Channel
ten's very serious news show with like Bride to Be
Love Heart Sonny's and a Kansas chief certsy and I
literally turned it on. I showed came the photo and
Kane's like, she really doesn't care, does she? No, She's
just She's just you are so authentically George on all levels.
(11:05):
Then it's just and there's Jennam in his full suit
being like are you good, and You're like, well, clearly
I am not.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I am not okay, clearly I'm not okay. Do you
know what my first request was a veil? I actually
I actually dialed it back. That's me dialed back authentic
because I was like, I can imagine.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I was like, this is the intro. They surprise come
to me and then I reveal the veil.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But can we also how long have you been engaged
for George?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh, nearly four years, the best part of four years.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
When did you start wedding dress shopping?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So Robert's like, ah, this is what it took. This
is what it took, This is what it took, this
is what it took.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I just need now we're all engaged.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, we are all engaged. I mean, I'm probably this
this is your vows. Then that'll do. That'll do? You
brought me a beautiful ring. We're on I definitely do.
Oh no, it's gonna be like, genuinely, I'm sorry if
you came here to listen to sport chat. I promise
we're going to get there, but I need to like
quick questions, big or small wedding?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh, my heart of hearts, I want her to get
married at the New York Registry Office.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't think that will happen.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Obviously, she'll do a gigantic all American wedding, do you
think I think so? Or at least it's a combination
of two in my girl like Bezo levels of like,
I don't think it'll be that, although I have actually
tabled Lake Como because they were there for a holiday
last year.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Maybe they were sussing out wedding venues.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I'm just saying that potentially that could be something that
they go for. But also, like her Rhode Island house,
like that could be like a huge bash there. She
already does her Fourth of July though, so if she
wants to make that slightly different, I reckon it could
be full ranch all American. What is that show that
everyone watches, Yellowstone or like Yosemite, that's not it?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yellowstone vibes yellow Shone. Yeah, yeah, not that I've thought
about it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, no about it, or who will be a brother? Well,
they get married in thirteen days, thirteen months, or thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I think maybe thirteen months, because it all depends on
if she wants to do a Life of a show
Girl the new album.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And also think he's got football.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, so he's got
the super so after that after that?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, because I also think she'll be performing at the
super Bowl halftime show, which would be a whole other episode.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Guys get excited and do it? Do we not think
it's a little bit like give kill a trap his moment?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
No, no, he doesn't get one. No, he's signed up
for this, like Taylor doesn't give other people moments.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So he knows.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
No, she doesn't matter, no, no, no, So he knows
that and he's aware of that, and that's why maybe
ultimately he is her soul mate.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Will Blake Lively be part of the bridal party?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I think she's not part of the bridal party. I
think she'll be at the wedding. I think the kids
will be involved because she's the godmother.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Right, so Naz is like bringing a ring or.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Something, yeah, something something, or the little one that no
one what's his nip?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
What's he called? Is it odie Obie? But I can't remember,
not in the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So no one knows. I'm like, I heard a rumor
from NZ. You can't believe. I'm like allowing me just
remember all of her kids names, right, Okay, I'm so
glad that we've got to go with that. Yeah, that's
our version of the sport. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Sometimes I have seen people posting being like we need
a fantasy football league about who's going to be bridesmaids,
Like yes, yes to that, Yes to that, and you
get points every week.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I reckon this is why they might do a registry
just because it's too much.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But if they, I reckon they do that, and then
they'd have to have a yeah. Yeah, because she's I mean,
she's going to marry the quarterback, like she's leaning all
in to the All American.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, I know he's not a quarterback. Don't come
for me, but like.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Tight end the d end. Who knows what a tight
end is?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, So I think that's probably I mean, other than
you heights.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's a lot of tay chat on a sports podcast.
And they went for two hours too long.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Actual sports chat. Oh, who am I kidding? That was
sports chat? More sports chat coming up after.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
This when this was talked, brought up.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
At one time when I was playing around no gay
men in the AFL, I remember two people having a
conversation around how they would feel having a shower next
to a gay man, and.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
One of the people, one of.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
The players, referred, I'd rather be in a cage full
of lines than have a shower next to a gay man.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's the voice of Mitch Brown, former West Coast Eagles
player who played ninety four games in the AFL at
the top level between two thousand and seven and twenty
and sixteen. As of yesterday, he is the first openly
bisexual man to have ever played at the top level
in AFL or VFL history. This watershed moment happened on
(16:09):
the Daily OS. After all the reaction that we saw
to the Isaac rankin case last week, he reached out
to The Daily OS and messaged friend of the pod.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Sam Koslovsky, Well done, Sam, by the way, well you
created such a safe space for Mitch to share that story.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
And Sam said, you know what did you? Can you
share with everyone what you messaged me, And he said,
I simply message saying Hi, I'm a bisexual man and
I played AFL And what has happened from there and
what we have seen take place is something that was
again one hundred and twenty nine years in the making.
And for someone to be so selfless as to go first,
(16:46):
I mean, Mitch has nothing to gain from this. He's
not trying to leverage a media career. He simply is
the bravest athlete that we've ever had in this country
that has decided to go you know what, I'm going
to go first.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yes, yes, And I didn't quite believe it when I
started being sent the story and I started it blew
up of course because the Daily Os has produced such
a wonderful piece, and then that proceeded to go everywhere
like it was on every single masthead, online, physical copies.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And it's worth noting he is from a footballing family,
so his twin brother Nathan Brown was recruited at the
same time in two thousand and seven playing for Collingwood
and then with some Kildas so and the fact that
their identical means they are a very recognizable face in.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Football and I think that you talk about the bravery
shown by Mitch here, just the virality of this and
how it did go everywhere in the point two of
a second like this is what we mean by Unfortunately,
it does still take bravery. It's still something obviously that
needs to be addressed, and you actually have to think
about before you say anything because you are going to
get this kind of feedback and this kind of spotlight.
(17:52):
But for Mitch to be this person, I can only
say hats off. No, I can only I just want
to give him a hug, and I honestly I just
want to give him a hug.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But that comment there at the start that we played
is what we took. It was the most cut through
comment that came from the conversation that we found in
that we were talking just last week with Kate McCarthy
around this must be systemic, this must be cultural. And
granted he did stop playing Near On ten years ago,
but he spoke about just how common homophobic slurs were
(18:24):
and that it was used away in combat and in
the moment of the game, that it was used to
bring your opponent down.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Talk to me about combat on the field and the
role of homophobic comments in your playing career as almost
a weapon to be used against your opposition.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
On the field, you're trying to beat your opponent, right,
trying to win, and the best way to do that.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Is to show your strength.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
One of the ways you do that is to belittle
your opponent, bring them down. And you do it physically, yeah,
and then you can do it verbally as well. And
you hear that on the field every single week, every
single game. You hear that in your workplace, on the
(19:13):
building site at schools. You know, I think this year,
you know, it's very known, it's become an AFL problem,
but it's an Australian man's problem.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I think that Mitch's comments there really do go back
to what Kate was so strong on last week, which
was you're not reaching for words that you don't commonly use.
You're not reaching for words that aren't in your vocab
every day, your common vernacular. And it's so disappointing that
you know, this is Mitch's experience, as you say, more
than ten years ago, but it's still so relevant now.
(19:50):
And the timing of all of this, with the Isaac
Rankin case and the decision and the suspension, and now
he's in Europe and he's a part of the Australian
squad and.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
All of this, it all still feels lightly hopeless to me.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I do think that something that needs to be done
more is I think we need to commend the Dylan
administration for doing something.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I know that Andrew Dillon himself, he was very very
strong on wanting Isaac Franklin to have the full five
week suspension.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yes, that's what they were pushing.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
For, and then they landed somewhere in between that. Obviously
with the four weeks. I think that was the wrong decision,
but that's my personal opinion on that. But he is
trying to make changes in an organization that is terrible
at making changes.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
And the person I've heard describe it best was called
a middle mass, and he essentially said, you have a
one hundred year old problem, and the Dylan administration is
the first one trying to cut the weeds. Now they're
just trimming the top, and what's happening is the weeds
are growing back, because that's what happens when something has
its roots in a system. This is deeply rooted in
(20:58):
the AFL system. And hearing that firsthand from someone who's
been there and we know this because the reported cases
that we've heard in the last two years are as
such that there's been so many numbers that this is
something that happens all the time. Yes, so they need
to have more systemic change and education. But I just
(21:18):
think the power of Mitch selflessly deciding to be the
one to go first to talk about you know, I
just wanted to feel myself and I love this message
that's actually from Shay, his ex wife of which they
have children together, and he read this on the podcast
and he said the text read, good luck this morning.
I'm so proud of you and I'm right behind you
(21:39):
all the way. This will make the world a slightly
better place for our boys and young men in Australia,
hopefully old men too. This is living the values of
the kind of man I want our boys to grow
up to be men that care and men areho proud
of who they are. It just gives me goosebumps.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And it's again we can't understate just how huge this
is for the game and hopefully for wider society.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And something that Mitch also highlighted that we want to
highlight in here too, and I think it's something that
we can actively do going forward. Is Mitch sort of said,
the game by nature highlights its best players. Of course
it does. I would love to see it going forward
highlight its best people.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Ooh, I like that. That's nice. That's a nice little change.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And the idea that these are men in society that
are good people, that are kind, people that are authentic,
and I just thought, wow, that would be really powerful.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And also I think it just goes to show the
power of that message because I mean, Mitch left the
game before he probably needed to.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
He says in the.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Podcast that he was asked to stay for another couple
of seasons. That's very lucrative wherever you're playing right, and
he just could not because of the sheer exhaustion of
having to hide who he was listen to that and
be around that kind of culture. I mean, you are
losing good people from the game, even if they can
even get to that stage, you've lost them when they're
you know, twelve thirteen, fifteen. Like, this is the huge
(23:08):
issue that is facing the AFL, but also just sport
in this country, is that you need to build safe spaces,
and you need to have them be sustainably safe and
legitimately safe.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
There's so much talk and it's like, what we're still
not seeing it's not seeing action until Mitch.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yesterday you mentioned that safe place where you want to
just again commend Sam and the Daily os So the
way that they handled this, it was done with so
much grace and a lack of There was no feel
of their just trying to headline grab moment. No, and
it was just it was done so beautifully. And even
just seeing the way that they've commented on other posts
(23:45):
that have reshared, just saying thank you, it was an
honor to bring this to light. I just think it
is podcasts and it's safe media formats like that that
will allow people to have conversations that they may not
have elsewhere. And it was handled so beautifully and I've
been I mean, there are still some comments those that
have left the comments on for this announcement that there
(24:07):
are some comments that you're like, wow, those people are
still in society and are still commenting that way. There
are people that just remind you there it's awful.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What a sad endetment that you just can't leave comments on,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah? I know, But when they have, but I was
buoyed by the vast majority. Oh positive, yes, and I
think that that's a wonderful thing. We can't go to
the negative, which is human.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Get you drowned it, Yeah, you drown in it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But what I'm boyed by is that, you know, I'm
excited for ten twenty years time when we see a player,
an openly gay player in the AFL and they say, oh,
who's your idols? Like, who did you look up to?
And they'll name Mitch Brown. Oh, they'll name Mitch Brown
as at the forefront of this and giving them the
confidence and the courage to be who they are.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
A league that really has for one hundred and twenty
nine years championed courage, bravery, leadership, selflessness. We saw the
best example I've ever seen the AFL yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Tell me.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Fun fact of the pod has to be a special
one because it is your birthday.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Don't know if I've mentioned it yet on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Budget won't be by the time this goes to us.
If you want to message me any day and say
happy birthday, you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Fun fact.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
We love an athlete who's in every man and what
is more relatable than asking a sibling, a close friend,
or maybe even yourself to give yourself a little bit
of a trim sproake yourself up, get some new bangs.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
You know we're going through it at the moment. Don't worry.
I'm here, I've got some scissors. Let's give you a
new life.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh cutting someone's fringes and what you do for friends,
you back him off the cliff.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
It's what Carlos Alcaraz's brother did.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The buzzcut. Oh my god, we're talking about Carlos buzz Karatuz.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yes, And here was his explanation, because inexplicably, two weeks ago,
Carlos Alcaraz one of the hottest Yes, I said it
athletes in sport with his gorgeous flowing brown locks, the Spaniard.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Then he rocks up at the US Open. Where's the
hair gone? There's no hair? Your buzz cut. I'm still
in it. I'm still for it, still for it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
It's an immaculate buzz cut.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's immaculate. He's got the bone structure.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But he got his brother to do it.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'll let Carlos explain.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Suddenly, just my brother just he was miss understood with
the machine. He just cut it and then you know,
the only the only way to fix it, the just
shave it on. And it just the way he came.
You know, the hair got But you to be honest,
(27:00):
it's not that good. It's not that bad.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I guess to be.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Honest, it isn't that good yet Freudian, Freudian, it's not
that good.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I mean, not that bad. I know English is the
second language. Don't come from me.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Carlos Alcaraz I was number one, now number two.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I believe it's still number two.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, yeah, gets his brother to cut his hair. Is
that what we is that what we gathered there? I
need to know if Alcoraz Junior is a hairdresser by
trade or is he lazy?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's not sounding like he is not fair, and if
he was, that is a terrible, terrible advertisement for him.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I can vouch for. There is a special fear of
God that goes through you when the head falls off
and you like offer shaving apparatus and you actually I've
been shaving Kane's head before and it fell off, and
I accidentally gave him like a zero when I was
meant to be giving him the two. But gratefully it
was at the back of his head. And then I
was like, oh, how am I going to fix this?
How does that work? It's hard? Oh he wasn't he
(27:58):
shaving your heads easy? It's hard.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I remember I shaved when I was still working at
ABC Nate burns head for raising money for cancer.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, and I will never forget just how difficult it was.
I was like, oh, this is my new calling. And
then I was like, couldn't even get he's such any care.
Couldn't even get.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And then they go into the light and you're like,
I botch that. Can you see the back of your
own head?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Let's but no mirrors for you?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Can we just stress? I would like to highlight the
sexism here. Oh Britney shaves her head, she's having a meltout.
Carlos shaves his head is a brother's mistake. I just
feel in twenty twenty five, we should still leave Britney alone.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
And I mean, hey, the older that we get, Britney's
making sense.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Again, just dancing with some knives. I just semi naked,
Just have left the building. She's got none left to him.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh, shavers away, guys, shave us away.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
That's what we've learned on this episode. Two good spots.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You are well to what She was probably thirty five
when she shaved her head. I'm gonna find out. I'm
literally googling working Brittany wasn't shaved.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
She probably acually wasn't that old.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
But just in Brittany age, you know, because she's it's
like she's been with us since we were too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So, yeah, she also had to wear low rise jeans. Yeah,
like she went with a lot that woman and dancing
on Jennies. It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
The funniest thing you've ever said. She had to wear
low rise.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, he was the worst to wear the a lot.
It's fair. Okay, Okay, so she was actually hang on,
hang on, producer Aaron over or Unders thirty five when
Brittany had to shave her head. Unders.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, Aaron's right. Aaron's right.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
She was twenty five, So you go, how old are we?
She was twenty five and going through it and going
through it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You're not going through anything at twenty five? What what
do you mean? I get it and her as is twelve.
You don't get to be existential until you're thirty five.
You have made my day surprising absolutely no one. This
(30:08):
is way too much fuss, but I just love and
appreciate you so much. What a day, what a day,
what a day. I'd love you, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Love you too. Until next week.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Thanks for being here.
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