Good Sports, Great Cricketers: Alyssa Healy and Phoebe Litchfield

This week, it's a big one for Two Good Sports — Georgie is in Sydney, Abbey is in Melbourne, and the cricket chat is off the charts. That's right, we have two of Australia’s brightest cricket stars, Alyssa Healy and Phoebe Litchfield, joining us to dish on everything from mispronunciations and iconic sledges, to the evolution of women’s sport and what leadership looks like in a new generation. They reflect on that unforgettable 2020 MCG World Cup Final, the complexities of scheduling, their hopes for more women’s Test cricket, and yes — the truth behind that viral photoshoot with Sam Constance.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Here at Two Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge
the traditional owners of the land on which we record
this podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
This land was never seated, always was, always will be well.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hello there, dear listener, and welcome to Two Good Sports Sports.
He's told differently.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm Georgie Toney, and it is really told differently this
week because you're in Sydney, and usually I can throw
something at you at different parts, but I'm here in Melbourne.
So kid a, George, how are you? Big week, Big week, Georgie.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
World, big, big, big week.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Jelmy, is that your disembodied voice I can hear in
my ear. No, I can't see you on a screen
as well. Hello, Hello, Hello, I am in Sydney shooting
something else. So as one chapter ended, another door opened.
I'm back working, but it has been our full on week.
I I mean, am I well?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm not sure if we're fully well. Is that the
Sydney Harbor or Georgie's tears? No one knows. No one
knows if that bridge was originally They're no. In all seriousness,
it was so beautiful to watch the heartfelt sentiment from
everyone having the final episode of the project, and of
course having more lead on last week and him saying
some beautiful things about you that have been so well

(01:12):
received as they should be. But who knew that he
was a Tiger's mascot. Anyway, on to bigger and better things.
But George, you're always my good sport? What have you
got good or bad sport?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I have a bad sport.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
She's in a bad mood.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Lookout And can I just say who better to introduce
this topic of bad sport? Because I'm broadening it out
a little bit. You will understand why then our friend
of the pod, mister David Hughes, very small court and
it just blow English blow behind it just would not
shut up, so like right through the match. Eventually I said, mate,

(01:48):
can you just be quiet?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And raph what did he call me? What a little hitlock?
And they're both hurtful, a bit of an overreaction, I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Like from him, not me though yet everyone around us
was happy that I did it.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
That is Hughsy.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
We have a problem, having a problem David Hughes from
the courts at Wimbledon complaining about a loud spectator and
I wanted to bring it to you. Jell mey, has
this happened to you before, Because in my personal experience,
there is no bader sport than someone who will not
shut up about whatever they're talking about when you are

(02:26):
trying to focus on a game.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I dare not speak nor breathe.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
During different times that you and I have been at
the tennis, I'm like, I almost want to throw my
bone in the bin as to make sure that I'm
not that person that it rings, particularly at the tennis,
particularly at Wimbledon. But with Hughsey, I assumed there that
he was at a Carlton game when I first heard
that it was you.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
And I'm like, oh well maybe maybe no, no, just don't,
just don't.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
And you know, Hughsey can go off, and he has
gone off this week talking about his beloved Blues and
just how terrible it is to be one of their supporters.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
But I love that. Can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Also Hughsey's dulcet hey mate at Wimbledon, hughsy to be.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
The voice of reason, do you know what I mean?
That's like you've arked Hughesy so much he has to
say something.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
He doesn't look like his courtside either, don't they get
Hughsey over in the UK.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
My goodness, you're so right.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
You're so right.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
He really should be, he really should be. Say where's
the seat for Zendaya? Put Hughsey there, get him there.
He needs the special Olivia Rodrigo accents. But I just thought,
I mean, I've been at a football game before. It
was a Wallabies game, So this is gonna for people
who understand rugby union supporters with respect, you'll get it.
I was trying to figure out what was happening in

(03:43):
the game itself, and I had the loudest people behind
me who I'm going to call them only, you know,
casual sports fans. That's fine, we love you. But they
were speaking at length and at such volume about their
upcoming kitchen renovation.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
No that I was like, it wasn't me, wasn't me.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
No, that's it's actually rude.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Or when you go you go to.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
A function that's meant to be about the sport and
then people try to talk to you about things that
aren't the sport, and you're like, remember remember how the
siren went. I'd really really like to watch the game.
If you let me just watch the game, love your children.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
What was his name?

Speaker 6 (04:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Little Johnny, he's cute. Can I please watch the sport?
Did I mention I work in sport?

Speaker 7 (04:29):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I need to get a shirt made. That's like, oh sorry,
I actually like to watch this.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Please.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I know, I know, it's like, just please actually busy,
actually busy?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Do we what I love?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
So that is my That is my bad sport. That's
my bad sport, Jemmy, when you.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Go, well, mine's also a bad sport. And it's actually
nice to come off the back of Husey. But whoever
thought they needed to take it into their own hands
and vandalize the Carlton Clubhouse? Get a life, get a life,
get a life, like as an adult and write an

(05:01):
angry comment on one of their Instagram posts and get
your vigilante feelings out that way.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Don't don't spray paint? What a loser?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Oh awful, awful, Just such a bad look. And I'm like,
is the club not going through enough? Like supporters? Come on,
come on, stop making yourselves look bad. Your club's making
you look bad enough. You don't need to look bad yourselves.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Come on. I would actually lean into it.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
And I wonder how you feel about this as media
if it is vandalism. We just don't report on it
because it was interesting everywhere going keep voss sack the
board and whatever he'd written like these these people had
written on the club then became a headline in its
own right because it's so old school for someone to
get out the paint as opposed to go on a
podcast and launch. But I just feel like again, it

(05:49):
then gives voice to these people that if they want
their angle heard, a good way to do it is
to vandalize. Like do we just completely ignore it? That
that would be my opt in, That would be my choice.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I've been in newsroom before where this has been a
legit conversation for whatever reason, something's been vandalized, the sat
she's been taken down, and you do have that discussion
of whether or not it's in the public interest. The
thing that complicates it now in today's day and age
is that everyone has a phone, right.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
So yeah, that'll post it, get out.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Some way, and then in the end often newsrooms become
reactionary to that. So even if it's like, oh, we
won't report on it, something will get such traction that
itself becomes news and then like, okay, we'll report on
the person reporting on the thing. So yeah, it can
be a vicious cycle. So therefore, just nip it in
the butt at the start and don't do your stupid.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Graffiti get alive anyway, any bad sports out of the
way with a really big run of good sports.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So it's probably we we know.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
But do you know what, it's not bad us doing
too bad sports because we have some of the goodest
sports coming up for you today, dear listener, And in particular,
I'm not sure i've seen Abby Jelmy this excited for guests.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It's my time, It's my time. You can have all lead.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
These are my guests and I am ready no, it's
genuinely these are two of the best stars that Australia
has ever produced in one of our premier sports and
I cannot wait that's next.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
From hosting the Olympics, the Commonwealth Games, are frenetically fast paced,
if short lived, reality show and now her own national
chat show, My co host's career has reached heights lofty
enough to give most people vertigo. But a top everything
to this day is the time she spent on the
boundary covering women's cricket. I am being so deadly serious

(07:49):
which is why, dear listener, this is actually a welfare
check as much as an intro, because our guests today
may actually send dear Jellmy over the edge without further ado.
Tell me, please explain why Phoebe Lichfield and Alisa hily
mainid navy O on you go.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Okay, that sounds super creepy.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And then it's furthermore, the fact that I'm not in
the same state as the interview sounds like something that
people may have put in place.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
But Georgie, you're right.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
There is something about women's cricket, and I say, I
say women's cricket.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
We don't like the term women's sport. We just love sport.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
But we need to highlight women's cricket because it is
the greatest sporting product in this country. And I've been
banging on about this forever and it doesn't matter what
I cover or what I do. The thing that you
will enjoy watching the most. The best characters and the
best people come out of our women's cricket team, and
especially it has to be said, the Southern Stars as
they were called the way back when, but they dropped

(08:46):
the name.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's gone. It's just the Australian women's cricket team and
we are.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
So wrapped to be joined by Elisa Healy and Phoebe Litchfield.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Team Woo.

Speaker 8 (08:55):
I don't feel like I have any sort of response
to that massive intro.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
I don't think my head's going to fit going out
the door.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Other than thanks j.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Some of my favorite memories ever are watching the two
of you play But Alisa. One of my favorite things
is to correct people about how to say your name.
Is our producer who's sitting opposite you, as in Alyssa
and I for ever call her Alisa because your name
is now my default that I drilled it into myself
that I was never going to.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Get it wrong. Does it still annoy you?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
And is it still something that you need to correct
people about her? You like, guys, you can google it
work it out.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
That's why my mum still exists, because she's there to
correct everyone. But yes, Alyssa and I actually just had
this conversation in the lift because I rang her and said, Alisa,
it's a Lisa and then she's like, it's Alissa and
I went, oh god, it's like some sort of alternate
universe that we're currently in. But to be honest, I
just said before, I actually don't hear when people get

(09:56):
it wrong anymore. I actually only hear it when they
get it right because I'm like, well done you. Because
it's pretty rare that people say a Lisa, so I've
noticed it straight away walking into the room, So thank you.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Do you find though, that sometimes people will actually correct
you and you'll be like, it's a Lisa and they're like, no,
it's not, because I'm sure that would have to have
happened to you.

Speaker 8 (10:17):
No, No, I'm pretty sure people would be confident that
I'd know my own name.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
They say it to me, I'm like, it's a Lisa,
and people then come back to me and they're like, no,
it's not.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
I'm like, oh, I know say that.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
I've had the privilege of Alisa's mum core game person,
which is why I was like, I need to get
this right. It was at Marnica Oval and I remember
i'd just done the ground announcing and you'd been best
on and I remember like, as I said it, I
was like, dah, I stuffed it up. And it was
early doors and she was as you were walking in
the boundary.

Speaker 9 (10:43):
She's like, hey, Abby, it's a Lisa, and I was like,
I never ever ever forget now, but we do talk
back to those earlier days and I wasn't around.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
And more the point, the broadcast wasn't there Alisa when
you made your debut, But Georgie and I were just saying,
you're very much of our era. You're a nineteen ninety babies.
So when you made your debut for Australia, there wasn't
social media and podcast since this prolific noise around who
you were as a person, your character, and people were
just passing judgment on you. But it also meant that

(11:15):
becoming a household name and getting that recognition, particularly globally,
was a lot harder. Do you have a preference and
are you glad that you debuted when you did or
do you look at the young kids coming through these
days and go do that would have been fun? To
get a half ton and go viral? That would have
been right.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
Yeah, I genuinely don't envy the next group a Phoebe
sitting next to me one bit. I mean the all
buying houses at twenty three different story. But I well,
funnily enough, I actually I'm really grateful that I've kind
of seen it all. Like I've been a part of
the transition. I've seen it when it was not a
lot to growing to now what it is today, and

(11:51):
probably hopefully be a part of, you know, growing it
even further moving forward. But I often used to say,
I wish I played in the eighties so that no
one knew, because I much would have.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
I would have much preferred that. And just imagine being.

Speaker 8 (12:03):
One of those people that you're sitting there with your
grandkids later in your life and you're like, I did
all these amazing things and they're like, no, you didn't.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
It wasn't anywhere, and you're like.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
Yeah, but you would have no idea I could just
make up all this stuff. But no, I feel really
grateful to have done at the time that I have.
And yeah, I genuinely don't envy what the next generation
sort of going through at the moment. But I also
just think that they're so much better than you know,
what we are and what we were, So just let

(12:31):
them roll with it, which is really cool, and they
should get all the accolades and the social media and
just live their life amazingly as they should.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, you have a right of reply here Phoebe because
your debut very different. You were an absolute character from
the get go eyeball in the camera making all kinds
of faces, Like, have you ever thought about shying away
from being the personality that you are?

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Oh no, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
I feel like I wear my hard and my slave
to the that of myself. But yeah, I don't think
I could change in a way. And I think that's
probably came pretty obvious, you know, when I was sixteen
or whatever, just literally having too much fun starting down
the camera or being a little one of my French
but little shit to other players.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
So yeah, I reckon. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
I just enjoyed it so much that I don't think
I could have put a different face on. And you know,
if I was to be this polite, shy little girls,
it's not me.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
So yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:29):
The beauty of it is that FEBEs can back it
up on the field. So yeah, you can quite literally
be this flamboyant. I'm not saying you're flam what a
word though, comfortable, confident, whatever it might be human being
and then to go out there and do it on
the field as well is a whole other level. And
like when FEBEs first started playing for the Thunder, And

(13:49):
I keep telling this story because it actually drives me
insane that I thought, you know, i'll get when I'm older,
I'll get one into her.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
I'll slid you a little.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
Bit, you know.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
And this is when she made fifty on debut whatever
it was against a sixth and I opened my mouth.
She swears she didn't hear me, but I'm almost positive
she did open my mouth a little bit trying to
give her a bit. She just rammed it straight over
my head the next ball, and I was like, I'm
not gonna say another word, but like, but so showcase
your personality on and off the field. I think is
so cool and it makes you're so much more relatable

(14:20):
to everybody, which I think is awesome.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
What's an example of your sledging?

Speaker 7 (14:24):
Hm? It was like, come on, get a hurry on,
Like what are you doing? I think?

Speaker 5 (14:29):
I was like I think I thought you were meant
to be good.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Yeah, And in my.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
Mind, you know, Minji is my freaking idol. I was like,
you know, she signed my bat when I was ten. Literally,
I have my first ever back twelve great Nichols kaboom.
I still have it in my room at home, and
then you know, playing against her my first a professional
game and she sledges me. I'm like, oh, I could

(14:56):
go one or two ways here. I could, you know,
get out and have a little cry or try ramp
it over.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
I remember that game so vividly, so I remember all
the commentary was like she could have played hockey, she's
still in school, she's sixteen. I remember being like, Alex
Blackwell's down the other end. She could literally be her
at what that age difference was. And then you ramped,
And I remember that ramp because it was that shot
that was clipped up everywhere, just sort of being like,

(15:22):
how's the nerve on this kid? And you've got a
lease Perry bowling to you? And I just remember thinking
you would have grown up going these are my idols,
and all of a sudden, I'm facing them, I'm being
sledged by them.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Was it surreal?

Speaker 3 (15:34):
And does it ever get to the point where you're like, oh, no,
now these are my friends or do you have moments
where you check yourself and even with someone like a
Meg Lanning like they're the greats, and of course they are.
Was it really weird to then transition to being like
I've got your bat that signed, but hey can we
hang out?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:48):
No really, And I remember Midgie, Pez and Meg were
my favorite three players and it would kind of I'd
choose between them whoever scored the most runs on the day.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Well, all right, I'll just.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
It's good to be on the podium format.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
What format? I think it's a very important question.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
But then to share the field for Australia with each
of them at some point was just yeah, surreal and
like I kind of just went past all. You do
it and you're like, okay, cool and then you sit
back and go. You know, it gets around Christmas time
when I'm home my family make at all nostalgic and
be like wow, that was really cool and kind of

(16:31):
think of the ten year old Phoebe would have just
jumped jumped.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
In the air with joy.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
So yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's so beautifulul it is so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
But you mentioned Meg Landing there, and I think that
she's someone that during her captaincy and her tenure, didn't
get her jews that was so well deserved at what
she did and how she steered this team and at
Leasta as a leader. Now do you look back and
think of the time at which she was at the
Helm and the way that she handled things that she did.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Just how impressive that she.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Was one hundred percent And I probably.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
I reflect on it now and probably didn't appreciate her myself,
Like I was one of her mates, and I probably
didn't appreciate the amount of work she was doing, the
amount of shouldering she did of our team first and foremost.
I think I probably just didn't acknowledge that at the
time either, and understand, you know, the pressures and whatnot
that she was on.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
So coming into this.

Speaker 8 (17:25):
Role, her shoes were massive, like they're huge hues of
fell And then how do you put your own spin
on it.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
I'm not Meg Lanning.

Speaker 8 (17:32):
I'm never going to be Meg Lanning, So how do
I try and live up to that sort of legacy
that she's created?

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Was a really interesting battle for myself.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
But Meg is it like undisputed one of the best
captains that I've ever played under. And I think as
a leadership combination her and Rachel Haynes were unbelievable. I
think they complimented one another beautifully. But the way that
Meg could just pick up the team like literally put
us all on her back and go I've got this, guys.
Is something that I've probably you just never really experience before,

(18:03):
like at.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
That level, at the international level.

Speaker 8 (18:06):
I think Pez does it for the sixers, but yeah,
Meg just did it frequently for Austrae and I thought
that that was really cool and just like if we
were ever in the shit, Meg would just get us
out of it. And I just thought like from a
leadership perspective, that was really cool aset of hers but
obviously tactically amazing as well, but her ability to just
carry us was next level.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
How how are you different?

Speaker 6 (18:28):
Like?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
How have you have you put your spin on the
captain c.

Speaker 8 (18:35):
It's a hard one and I think we're probably the
group's in a little bit different as well, and that's
probably been a bit of a transition period.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Is nodding vigorously?

Speaker 5 (18:43):
I mean, yeah, look, there's twenty one year old.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I think it's actually rude that you're born in two
thousand and three. It's the tackle, get there.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, I think I was in high school.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
It's not good to look back.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 8 (18:58):
Yeah, I think it's just a different group and I
think I kind of had to adapt a little bit
as to what the group, what I felt the group needed,
and what maybe and then a little bit about who
I am as well, and probably tried to be a
little bit too much like Meg and thinking that that
would be the right way to go about it. But
I think I've sort of learned over the couple of

(19:19):
years that I've had the opportunity is that that's not
what we need. We actually just need me to be me,
And what I love doing the most is just being
in the group and sort of leading from within. That's
the way that I like to put it, and kind
of just giving everyone the confidence and the belief in
themselves that they can go out there and do the job.
It's not my job, it's not Phoebe's job, it's everyone's job,

(19:39):
and together we can get that done. So that's kind
of the way that I've tried to put my spin
on it. Whereas I think playing under those two amazing leaders,
they were literally like, this is what we're doing, this
is the direction we're headed, and this is how we're
going to do it, and everyone kind of new their
role in doing that and kind of just did it
and that's what made us really successful. Whereas I think

(19:59):
this new group coming through, we're trying to find their
way in in international cricket, a little bit, some coming back,
some starting again. Just trying to give them the confidence
that they can they actually belong and that they can
go out there and perform.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
A question without absolute notice. Phoebe go on, would you
ever want to be captain?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (20:17):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
I think that's like, you know, I feel like it's
really a huge honor and to I've had a bit
of a taste for a thunder. Can't say that's any
you know, the same to Australia, but the feeling of yeah,
having it as your team and it's like you you know,
have an awesome responsibility to you know, lead lead to

(20:42):
success or whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
But just bring people together.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
I think that's something that Mijie's done so well is
like really made our group connect. We're not just cricketers
that go out and play pretty well or actually like
let's be people and connect and that actually then makes
us better cricketers. So to have I guess a role
in that would be really cool and that's probably yeah,

(21:05):
why I want to do it.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
But so you like, I hate that pressure. So for me,
for you to say no, you drive on that. You're like,
I want to that's my team and I want to
go and like win stuff and that would be really cool.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Like I hate that, I know my thing. Yeah, I'm like,
that's this is our job. You'll hear me say that
a lot over the next door, but this is our
World Cup.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Yeah it's like yeah, I mean you feel like yeah.
As a cricket captain, there's so much more to your
role than just flipping the coin. Like there's tactically you've
got to make decisions constantly on the field, but also
there's a whole heap of stuff outside that actually takes
more of a priority than all of that as well.
So it's quite a quite a big job. But when
you've got the right people around you, it can make

(21:51):
it a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
And Phoebe, how have you found again we were just
touching on before. It's a different era in sport where
being yourself and being outspoken, particularly in a sport like cricket,
which dare I say it still has a tea break
and has best at some point. So people still think
that sometimes there's certain behaviors that they think is.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Befitting of leadership.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
In cricket in particular, and we're seeing that on the
more on the men's side of things, with someone like
Sam Constance, who you were recently on the couple, it
was so.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Bring it up, bring it out.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
They look like the cutest little couple going around.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
All the comments like Australia's new couple, like Stark and
all this stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
I'm like, no, I was actually in the UK with
Sam's mum.

Speaker 8 (22:40):
She was over there for visit a period and we
were talking about it and She's like, oh my god,
Phoebe was so cute that and I was like, sort, no,
it was fun.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
And it was funny because like the photography, do.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You genuinely need to deny that you were a couple?
Did that? Did that actually happen?

Speaker 5 (22:58):
No?

Speaker 6 (22:58):
No, no, no, but I'm confused now no, yes, I
mean no, I mean what no. They trying to make
his like old brother and sister, older sister, sorry and brother,
and most of the pictures were that, and then there
was a couple where I'm like hugging his bicep and
brot my.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
Head on his shoulder and I'm like, sir, like how
is this.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
I'm like, you're literally make his look like we're in
love but anyway, and.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
You're also like did I ever do that? I don't
remember doing that, but there's photo.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
It was a long day, Like what have I done?

Speaker 5 (23:32):
I love this?

Speaker 8 (23:33):
At least it's like I genuinely loved it because we never,
like we never really cross over that much the men's
and the women's team, right unless it was like Mitch
and I and we hate doing that stuff. So it
was actually like a really cool I loved it because
it's very modern and a really cool way to cross over,
and so like say, like these guys are mates, like
and you probably just met that day, but like it's

(23:56):
actually like it's a team thing, like we're all in
this together. I absolutely loved it. And then all a
couple everyone they're not, But how cool was it?

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Yeah? It was fun.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I loved it, and exactly to your point, because you know,
having followed the game closely, not as closely as Superstore
could gell me, but having followed the game closely for
you know, decades or my entire career, Like it's it's
always annoyed me that like there hasn't been maybe more
crossover and I'm not sure if that's something necessarily that you,
as the players wanted. I feel like there's been this

(24:26):
divide about being like, no, it's like we want to
keep it as this is our cricket. We want to
just talk about our cricket. But I know what, personally,
whenever I've talked to Meg in particular, she's always been like, no,
I'm happy to talk about whatever, Like we can't keep it,
keep it separate.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
No, I think it well.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
I feel like if you can leverage off the men,
even like I know it's, you know, two separate sports
and teams, but like I just think it's, you know,
an opportunity to reach more fans, right, and like that
would be so fun because like I've looked up to
them as well, Like every time I seen Mitchell Patty

(25:02):
in the gym, I'm like, oh my God, Like I'm no, God,
have a type.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
No, Tauline, it tends to him.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's what that's what we do here.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
But I was going to draw the parallel before we
got into the fact that you weren't in fact romantically
to have a fact that you are two big characters.
Phoebe and you must have seen and everyone's sort of
seen the fact that Sam has been criticized quite widely,
and he's trying to find his place in terms of
his form, but he's also just being himself and wearing
sneakers to meet the PM and just having that sort

(25:46):
of character.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Is that a.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Difficult thing to do, to be yourself and just own
whatever might come from that, or is there still a
quiet pressure from the public to, I don't know, dully
yourself down a little bit so that you're more palatable.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
What do you think?

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, I think it's a somewhere in between. I guess
Sam will always be himself. He like I spent what
like six hours with him that day, and he's unmistakably him, Like, yeah,
he probably thinks he's.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
Pretty good, but he's not a he's not a dick
about it.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
Like he's not like, oh, he's like, yeah, I'm good
and I'm gonna go show it. And and he's himself
when he walks around shirtless, him Barbados selling sandwiches like unmistake.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I have heard that.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
So funny that anyway, But yeah, I think it's, you know,
growing up in this era, there's you know, probably stereotypes
around cricketers being quite quiet or reserved. But I think
everyone's themselves. I don't think anyone changes. It's just like
be who you are and yeah, and I think if
you know that in yourself, then that's enough to to

(26:53):
stay happy.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
We Lissa, you say that you hate those kinds of
opportunities that have come your way when it's like you
would meech in particular as the focus, as someone who
has constantly been introduced as Rob Mills's girlfriend throughout a
lot of I does that annoy you?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
At least have probably voted for him like I do.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, so yeah, back, do you know this terrifying thing
Phoebe probably wasn't even born.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I didn't want to say to give content.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'm sorry. Anyway, there was this show Phoebe. It was
were people sang it was a big deal, big deal
back in the day. I am engaged to one of
the people on that. Anyway, he was really good. He
was good, He was good. He had a terrible eyebrow ring.
It was a face with a face.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
But as someone who constantly is like, oh yeah, I've
literally had it happen. So people in my field, I
only want to talk to me about Robert, which I
find infuriating. Is it something that has acrossed your mind?
Or do you get annoyed whenever people just want to
talk to about Mitch First.

Speaker 8 (27:55):
I love that you call him Robert. No, it's it
doesn't frustrate me that much. It might sound a little
bit funny, but I don't know. I'm like just a
big of a fan of him as what I am.
Phoebe like, it's just sort of it's really cool, I
guess to be linked in that regard, But I think
it's changed a lot over the years, And that's probably

(28:16):
what I mean when I said before, I feel really
lucky to play in the generation that I have because
I've seen it change firsthand. Like if we go to
the pub, like ten years ago, it was like Starcky,
everyone just wants to go and talk to him, but
now it's like we go to the pub and everyone
wants to talk to both of us. I'll be like, Oh,
how's about the WBBL this year? Or you girls want
to World Cup. Like the conversation's really changed, which I

(28:41):
think is a really cool thing to experience and kind
of brings perspective back. But yeah, it doesn't really bother
me that bit. I mean, he's six foot five and
he stands out, so everyone's going to see him before they've.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Seen me anyway.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
But yeah, that narrative has one hundred percent changed. Even
doing events and whatnot, you know, Mitch doesn't get referred
to anywhere near as much as what he used to.
When they're talking about my cricket, it comes up. Obviously
it's quite a point of a talking point. But yeah,
it's it's changed a lot, which is which is cool.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I guess I think it's so cool. We often cry
on this podcast a lot. Surprise it might, Georgie, don't
scare them.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's early.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry we've given oh for a really
hinged perception of us. Tell me, but especially when it
comes to seeing packed stadiums, when it comes to you guys,
the Matilda's like because even on the periphery, we've seen
that kind of narrative of like we've been in the
stands and now it's like, you know, there's backpacks with
your faces on it, Like, yeah, that's so cool. I mean,

(29:44):
does that actually hit you in a tangible way, like
do you let it hit you?

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Do you like okay?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Or is that something for when you do have the
grandkids in the eight years time, and you can be like, oh,
look this is what I did. Here's proof, here's the
backpack with my face on it.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
I haven't seen the backpack.

Speaker 8 (29:58):
I've seen a little button done cool or the giant
heads that they yeah, they got me on.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
A bad day and then produced massive.

Speaker 8 (30:08):
I say with you, and I'm like, guys, help me out. Well,
the ladies I golf with you is my face as
a cheese platter.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
So it's fun. You'll you'll get cold and cheese rush.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Come on, that's what I'm like. My people.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Blow it up.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Yeah, when I was like sixteen, it's definitely better from
a long way away.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
No, I think it's like it.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
I think you kind of you've got to enjoy it
while you're doing it, because I mean, this sort of
time in your life is such a small period in
you know, hopefully a much larger, longer life span, so
you kind of got to enjoy it while you're there.
And I feel like as soon as you retire, you
become pretty irrelevant pretty quickly. I mean, people come through
and do what you do just as well or even better,

(30:57):
so people will stop talking about you at some point
in time, so you may as well enjoy that and
kind of enjoy the shift that's been made over this
sort of fifteen sixteen years. I think it's amazing and
the WBBL in particular has done wonders for that. I mean,
eighty seven thousand people at the MCG helped, but COVID
didn't and shutting it down pretty quickly after. But the

(31:17):
WBBL has grown the sport in this country like amazingly well,
and hopefully it continues.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
As two of the people that were at the MCG
before the entire world shut down, Georgie and I were
screaming to Katy Perry like we thought we'd just won ourselves.
Do you often just reference back to that in your mind?
Because I do, and I didn't play. It was just
one of the great memories. Because even when I look
back and I see some of the footage, particularly the.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Dancing on stage.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
So for more New Hello with Katy Perry, can you
believe that it actually happened?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Sometimes things are so great they almost seem like a fet.

Speaker 8 (31:53):
Yeah, you're right, I mean, looking back on it, it's
not that I've ever forgotten that it's happened, but it
feels like ten years ago, like it feels like the
world changed so much. But then that kind of makes
it even more special to think about what we actually did.
And then there was like one hundred and fifty people
in our chain room after the game celebrating the win
as well. So like all that stuff put together with
dancing on stage with Katy Perry that not everyone are

(32:14):
pregnant Katy Perry, mind you that not everyone gets that opportunity. Yeah,
it was something surreal and I hope that the next
generation get to experience that at some point in time
as well. I mean, there's a T twenty World Cup
next year in England and the finals at Lord's I'm
pretty sure. So they're not going to get eighty seven
thousand people there, but if they sell that out in
Australia in that final and win a World Cup, I

(32:36):
mean that would be like just as cool. But just
to experience that because it's getting back there. You know,
the people are coming back to sport in Australia. We
see it with the Matilda's We talk about the Matilda's
effect all the time, but you know the people are
starting to come back to the games, which is really cool.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
But no abby that moment, it will live on forever.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
In my mind, it almost got greater because the after
effects was so like as in the week. It was
only a week after when they canceled the f one
in Melbourne and it just seems so bizarre because I
was like, I was just rubbing shoulders and basically licking
Georgia with joy, and now we can't leave our homes
and I can't get on a flight, like what is
going on?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
But King Champagne in the stands and we were just
like you know, and then it's like never leave your
house again.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
Wow, Okay.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
The funniest part is we were supposed to fly to
South Africa two days after, so we literally had like
one day to celebrate in Melbourne and then we were
meant to get on a plane to South Africa. And
then we got wind that night or the next morning
that this thing was starting to get a bit out
of hand, and then all of a sudden, our tour
to South Africa got canceled and everyone was cheering, like
everyone's like, oh my god, we.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Got time to celebrate.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
We get like a week at home, yes.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
And then next minute's six months at home, like yeah,
So I mean it's probably the longest I've ever spent
celebrating anything in my life, but I mean it was
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah. You mentioned there, Eliza that you were.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Hoping and that the next generation get to experience that
sort of joy and that sort of moment as well.
What they do get to experience is financial stability if
they are at the peak of their game, which is
something that when you were deciding to be a cricketer
as a young girl, wasn't something that necessarily if you
were the best at what you did, it didn't mean

(34:19):
that you could make a living off it. Do you
look at some of the IPL figures now and for
the Women's League what they can be making, and go, gee,
that would be nice in retrospect.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
I try really hard not to be that bitter X
player that goes all right if I was ten years younger. No,
But I genuinely think they deserve it and they work
hard for that. And I look at I think about
someone like Annabel Sullen ash Gardner over in the WPL
and the figures they are being paid. Yes, we've never
seen that kind of money before, but they work really

(34:51):
hard for that. And yes, it's only a small, small
moment in time in the twelve month calendar.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
But they work really hard.

Speaker 8 (34:57):
The expectations placed on them at that value is quite high,
so there is a lot of pressure when it comes
to that as well. But yeah, I just think it's
awesome and it shows a real value in the game
that we're seeing right around the world, not just in India.
But you know, the hundred's gone up, the WBBL continues
to go up, So there's a real value being placed

(35:18):
on the women's game at the moment, and the players
are profiting from that, which I think they well and
truly deserve.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
I mean, they're the ones out there, so they were
I haven't retired yet.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Oh my god, please tell us.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Like we're out there promoting it.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
We're showcasing what we can do, and we're often the ones,
you know, telling everyone when the tickets are available, when
the games are and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
It's not somebody else's job, it seems to be our.
So we work really hard for that.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
So hopefully it just continues to the more revenue we
bring in, there's what what I'm trying to get at.
The more revenue we continue to bring in, I hopefully
it ends up in the in the right pockets.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
And ash Gardner does have a designer shoe have it
that she needs to support, So she needs She's fine,
she's gone, all right, we don't No one is holding
a vidual for as She's gonna be okay, But Phoebe,
we've spoken a little bit about the changes that at
least has seen in her time. If you were to
crystal ball and perhaps look fifteen years down the track,

(36:18):
is there anything that you look at and go, I'd
love to see this or that change about the game
or the way that it's promoted.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
That's a really good question. Yeah, I don't know. I think.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
The way, like I guess, it's marketed and funded is
probably the biggest thing I find. I watched this Literally
I'm such a nerd, but I do doing marketing and
kind of that stuff at Union. Saw a TikTok the
other day about just sports marketing and a lot of
you know, advertising and ads, and it's like, no one's

(36:53):
actually watching that those things anymore. So it's like, how
can we invest in our players a bit more and
and use social media and that kind of thing to
fund the game and and also get our brand out there.
I think, Yeah, the way that I don't know, the
Matilda's are branded and stuff like that. I think we
can really push that and you know, having media people

(37:17):
and and docos and all that kind of thing tap
into that.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
That would be really cool to.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
See in you know, fifteen years time. Uh.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
And then from a cricket point of view, I think
it's just hopefully the LEAs get better and better. You know,
you're seeing more and more money hopefully, But that's probably
not the biggest thing. It's more just like more kids
playing cricket. I think, you know, you look around at
sports field and most kids, sorry girls, choosing netball, hockey, soccer,

(37:45):
but when you know they're going, no, I want to
choose cricket based on you know, our impact would be
really cool to see. And then yeah, just growing that
game and that fan base. And I always think, like,
there's fifty percent of the population of women, so like,
why can't we get some of those people watching cricket
and loving the sport that I grew up loving.

Speaker 8 (38:05):
I think, not to be a Debbie downer on it,
oh no, no, not to speak serious for a moment,
but I think our schedule plays a really big part
in that as well. And I think what I've kind
of been frustrated with for ten years. Is like everybody
knows the SCG Test is when it is. Everyone knows
that Boxing Day test is when it is, and that's
when I'm going to go to the cricket this summer,

(38:26):
But not everyone knows when the Train women's team is
playing because it's very irregular, the schedules continually changing. We
actually don't play in school holiday hours anymore.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Sort of out of it.

Speaker 8 (38:37):
So actually going and finding you've got to go and
find the dates, the times, the venues, whereas you not
already know in advance when the boys are playing. So
I think finding a way of balancing that moving forward
for the next generation to go, Okay, well, I know
that on January twenty eight every single year the girls
are going to be playing a test match, or they're

(38:58):
going to be playing at the SCG or whatever. It
might be just some sort of consistency in our schedule,
which is hard, don't get me wrong, and I'm not
having crack it anyone. It's it's not easy, but some
sort of consistency there within a home summer would actually
help people go, oh, I know I'm going to go
to North Sydney that day. I know, I'm going to
go to the SCG because that's they're playing India this year.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
How cool. I think that will help sort of make
it easier for people.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I one hundred percent agree with you, And I also
just made me think of how the fuck do you
actually organize your schedule with your husband who he is?
Like how do you both? But how do you both
organize this stuff? Like I can never get Robert in
the fucking room to just like do anything. And I
am not an international cricket. I'm not I'm not an

(39:43):
international cricketer and neither is he, Like in terms of scheduling,
how does that work?

Speaker 8 (39:48):
Oh, I don't know, like personally or as a sport,
the sport the sport is Like that's a whole other conversation.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
So that's probably way too serious for this podcast.

Speaker 8 (39:57):
But like that that is hard, and that juggling that
is not easy, And when you know forty percent of
money is coming from one country, that kind of dictates
exactly what the schedule looks like. So that that makes
it challenging in itself. But I think from a personal level,
I mean we're just sort of how good I could
get a little downtime I can go watch some more

(40:19):
crete because, like Phoebe, I'm a bit of a nerd.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
So is there such a thing as too much cricket?

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Yeah, I will say there is.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, No, I thought you were going to say no, no, no, no,
there is.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Depends the vibe, but I do.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
I don't know. I'm not going to sit there and
watch every ball, but I just love having them in
the background.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah, it is good.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Fox Cricket five, which is great, great, great. For my
next point, is there enough? I know I already know
the answer. Is there enough test cricket for women?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Phoebe? And are you hoping to see an uptick in
that in your time?

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (40:52):
And I don't think I answered that crystal ball question
very well, so I'll re aanswer it. But the idea
of having like the men's Ashes and they've got you know,
five tests, and the women's Ashes is also hosted in
the same country and yeah, it's at the same time,
you know, the facilities and all that would be different.
But yeah, that would be really cool to have, you know,

(41:16):
a five test series or even if it's three, you know,
not every year, because I know that it's probably not
the most marketable, as you know, T twenty and stuff
like that. But for personally, for you know, from a
cricketing point of view, it would be really really cool.
And I think, yeah, working it around the men and

(41:36):
you know, playing in the seg uh, you know, maybe
a couple of days after the New Year's Tests or
something like that, just switch over the pitches and go
on and kind of yeah, hold off the back of
you know, the momentum from that test. And then we've
got crowd there and there's always a week in between
each test, and like, it would be really cool to

(41:57):
have cricket on all the time. And so you gotta
women's Test, and then you've got a men's test, and
then you got a women's.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
And why wouldn't you just ride the waves and capitalize
on the ground swell that's already there at a time
of year where everyone's already excited about cricket. It's so
strongly affiliated, Like it just makes sense that you would
have people know what the boxing day test is. And
it's never occurred to me before, but now you raise it,
you're like, I know, I'm not a sports administrator for
a reason, and there's got to be some difficult reasons
as to why these things can't happen.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
But that just makes total sense.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
My heart just went that sounds great. Yeah, I want that.
I love that.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
If you two could just write a letter.

Speaker 7 (42:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
So actually, I mean important people listen to this podcast.
I don't know who they are. But Robert, he's got
to be so happy that you've said that, and he'll
make it his ring. Honestly, he's he'll be like, I'm
so sorry, Elisa.

Speaker 8 (42:50):
Said, I feel bad I called him Robert now, no, no.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Do you know what people who know that's the thing
jell me. The first person when I started dating him
there was like, I think we can stop calling him
Millsey because I was like, no, no, just for me
because I was like, milky sounds odd if I referred
to it as that, you know, And then ever since
then it was.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Never robbed though. It was always just kid rob.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
It bob Bob, Bob Bob. He could in all honesty,
I really think that is the case. Is scheduling. We've
got lots of things coming up for the rest of
this year as well, including World Cup. You are not retiring,
hope not. You better not be. Yeah, if you're already
like for you already fake Phoebe was like, I don't know,

(43:35):
why are you referring to Australia and like a third person,
I tend.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
To do that now you do.

Speaker 8 (43:39):
I think you just like flick over a certain I'm
thirty five now and I think you just get to
a point you're like they.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
Yes, I'm like why you more?

Speaker 8 (43:49):
It is well.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Phoebe, when you're closer to forty than you are thirty,
all of a sudden everyone becomes young.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Times of Tickets, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
Yeah, World Cup. Really excited about that. Obviously, it's been
sort of we worked so hard for that last one.
It was a really big lead into to New Zealand.
Mabe wasn't a part of that, so she doesn't know
all the scars from twenty seventeen. But yeah, I felt
like there was so much build up to that last
fifty over World Cup for us, and there was. We

(44:23):
weren't exactly under pressure, but it felt like we really
needed to win just to prove to everyone that we
were really good. Whereas I I feel like leading into
this one feels.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
A little bit different.

Speaker 8 (44:33):
We're a bit new, newer, bit of a different side.
We're really good, which is really cool. I've never quite
seen a team as deep as what we currently have
right now and just as skillful.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Like other countries will be like, we'll take your number
five and we'll open thank you.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah, I mean, like.

Speaker 8 (44:56):
What can we do in number six or sevens? Making
hundreds in one day? Creet, it's ridiculous, But how fun
to captain that though? Well, yeah, just don't stuff it up,
will come would be awesome, I think, like India is
such a great place to do, such a great place
to play, such a great opposition to play against as well,

(45:16):
So to go over there and and hopefully lift a trophy,
we'll be doing everything we possibly can. No, no team's
ever gone back to back either, so that's a real
I think driver.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
I don't know if the girls knew that, but I did.

Speaker 8 (45:28):
It's a real driver for me personally to go, how
do we get ourselves over the line and lift that trophy?

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Again?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
What are your pep talks?

Speaker 7 (45:36):
Like?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Maybe I should I speak?

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:41):
One of the least is pep talks like okay, so fiery.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
But not at all when it needs to be. Yes,
but and we probably know that we're okay, yeah, we
need to talk to you, but no it's never never
in that way. It's more I don't know, I think,
very understated, but like knows how to get a message
ro And it's funny like there's a few players when
when they speak, you listen and midg is that and

(46:06):
I think that's it goes a long way, even though
even if it's like literally a few sentences like we know,
we're like okay, cool, let's do it, which is really cool.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
To quote at least that when did you know that
you personally were really good?

Speaker 8 (46:21):
Oh god, she came out of the womb. I'm going
to be good at something. Here we go, hockey stick
in one hand, was ready.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
To go switching over point in her first birthday.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
Oh god, no, I no, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (46:42):
Still grapple with it and self believe.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
No, no, I don't.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
I'm great.

Speaker 7 (46:48):
Yeah, not sure, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I think was it the gigantic head getting printed off?

Speaker 6 (46:54):
See that's the weird thing I feel like growing up,
I'd never everyone was like, oh my god, you're so good,
like building up to this thing. I'm like, like I'm
actually not that amazing, you know, and so just like no, no,
but honestly, but like then getting into this giant side,
it's like okay. That was probably my my point where
I was like, okay, cool, I've achieved my goal, my

(47:17):
dream I must be must be all right?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Do you still have?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
And on debut you made a seventy eight not out
and hit the winning runs.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Did you then believe that you might be? Okay?

Speaker 7 (47:27):
But it's funny because like the way I called those runs,
but we won't get into that. But I don't know.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
I think when you're batting down the other end with
Meg Lanning like whoa first of voice?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
But I feel like, yeah, Also, does anyone know where
she's making coffees? Because I just want to Meg Lanning
for rista coffee.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Sorry, continue the bat that.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Elisa signed for you at ten?

Speaker 5 (47:51):
I do you do?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yep?

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Since in my childhood room, I was gonna put it
in my Aussie kit like just for like you know,
but it's firstly it's grain cools. I wouldn't be happy
with that, but also just like I feel like those
kind of things are really cool to look back to,
Like whenever I go home, I look at it and
I pick it up and I go oh, like imagine

(48:14):
I remember, like for getting that bat and getting it signed,
and the fact that that little girl is playing career
for Australia. Now it's like full circle moment, which is
really cool.

Speaker 8 (48:24):
You're just things that are just getting a little insight
into me. At the other end, when Phoebe's batting and
she just mooseed on through the covers, she's like, well,
that one came off a little bit of the outside
edge went for I don't care.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
It looked pretty good from my end, so I didn't
have to run.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
You didn't have to run. It was nice to watch.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Thank you, Thank you for yourself.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
You were talking about things that are cool to have
in your room.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
A gold medal of the Olympic variety.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, the fact that this is up for grabs in cricket,
and also how prolific the teams are.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
My questions obviously needs to go to Alisa. How's the
body going to.

Speaker 8 (49:03):
Be eighty long retired? It's no secret that I'm not
going to the Olympics. I will not make the Olympics.
But however, Susie Bates and I actually had this discussion.
She's a little bit older than me, but we had
this discussion of could we both go as like the
fifteenth player in the squad.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Never play to play, he deserves it, not play.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
But just go to every sporting event and we'll just
happily run drinks or do whatever we want to do.
We both okayed that, but I'm not sure our selection
panel will okay that. But U was he still playing
and he's almost thirty nine, Like I'm I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
She's got maths over there. She's doing maths down there.

Speaker 8 (49:41):
The way I like to answer that is he doesn't
have to give birth, very.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
True, know what I mean? Like, yeah, man, And I
don't want to.

Speaker 8 (49:50):
Raise that right now because it's like there's lots of
other issues, but like I don't know, there's there's other
things that I actually want to achieve in my life.
And creck, it's been such an amazing part and like
I said, that's such a small part of your life.
But I'm also excited for what might unfold after cricket.
So I'm giving myself a timeline.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
I'll put it that way.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Does it make you existentially at all asking for a
friend because it's like the excitement, yes, But then do
you ever feel like, oh, it's now I've been thinking
about now it's now.

Speaker 8 (50:19):
I never wanted to actually put a date on it
or cap it at any point, and it's changed about
five or six times over my career about when it
was going to end. But yeah, it is weird, like
sort of sitting here at thirty five, going holy shit,
how did I get here? And now I can probably
make a decision, which I think. I'm really lucky to
be in a position where it's like I feel like

(50:40):
in control of that, which is awesome. Whereas, like, you know,
I would have happily walked away at twenty eight and
gone done something else with my life, so who knows
what may have unfolded.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
But anyway, I digress. But yeah, been super lucky.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
And yeah, but I've always felt like this is going
to sound really dumb and everyone's going to go, what
an idiot, But I always felt like cricket was just
part of my life. Even though I'm married a cricket,
I've grown up playing cricket, I'm basically part of a
cricket household. Crecket's such a small part of my life,
and something amazing outside was always going to happen as well.
So I'm kind of I'm not retiring myself on here
by the way, but it's like I'm always I'm actually
looking forward to the next chapter because I think it's

(51:15):
going to be really cool.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I asked that as in part for me, but also
because I considered Jellmy to be a team mum, Like,
I'm like, how do you have two children?

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Give us the keys to this?

Speaker 7 (51:27):
What? How?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Look, we have taken up so much of your time
and I am very conscious that you're parking both for
both of you is going to expire. But question for Phoebe,
were you surprised at all by Elisa's choice of Magda
Sebanski aka shar Zaki as she was going down the
slide for MND round in it for the Big Freeze?

Speaker 7 (51:50):
Not at all.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
And second part to that question, the level of performance.
Oh yeah, that's did not break character.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
That's the thing that impressed me the most. I was like,
where have you been high? Adding this like acting you know,
I've just I was shocked. I remember I didn't think
I was on my phone that day. I don't know
where I was, but anyway, and I didn't even know
you were doing it. You kept it very quiet and
then opened my phone And the.

Speaker 7 (52:13):
First thing I was like, what the hell is that, Mitch.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
And then she's like, yeah, doing the whole performance, and
honestly it made my week, Like oh, the whole team
just loved it, and it was just iconic, iconic, and
like the makeup and everything.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
You did it like so well, it was so good.
It was so good.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
That's the thing to Eliza, like looking at yourself.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
In the mirror before you're about to do it and
be like, well, before this, the MCG had been a
place where I was deeply respected, and now I'm about
to go out there and I can't take this bad.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
You know what made me laugh the most is like
I'm doing it with Arion Tiitmas and Liz Watson, who
are like just amazing people, like first and foremost amazing athletes,
just like glamorous in their own right.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
They're in books, Sandy bad Sandy.

Speaker 8 (52:58):
She's just getting a hair and makeup done and I'm like,
oh my god, around you look amazing.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
And then Liz is like full black Letter and.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
I'm getting ready. I'm getting ready and they're putting past
rash on.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
My face and in walks Liz in her Barbie outfit,
and I just went I feel inferior and then I
was like, actually, you know what, if I tried to
do that, I would have failed completely. But the best
part of that day was genuinely Liz and Servo could
have swapped and it would have been exactly the same.
Liz is ripped, she's massive, and I'm like, Liz, you

(53:27):
could have been thor and Shervy, you could have been
Barbie and we could have got away with that.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, one hundred percent that would have worked. No one
would have blinked. Everyone's like, yeah, complete sense. Also, you
have just lived out mean girls.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
When she's rocked's the girls?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, the bloody crazy tops bride over here.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Yeah yeah, yes, well that was that was what I
grew up with, not Emperor's New Grooves, with the mean girls,
and I was like.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Yeah, that would be me.

Speaker 8 (53:56):
I'm the girl from Africa, she doesn't fit in here. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
It was just the general the conviction from start defeating,
the Shane Warn reference everything. It was just so immaculate,
And I also just thought, I'm like, I think when
you're in and around the Australian cricket to a little bit,
you like people know that you have that side to
your personality that you like to be a bit cheeky
and and you have that sas side as well. But
it was so amazing to to see it on that scale.

Speaker 8 (54:25):
It was wild to me that the Governor General in
the in the change room was like having a selfie
with me with Sharon and I was like, I was like, Sam,
why don't you go over a photo with something.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
She's like, this is my favorite and I was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
God, she's committed to going down.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
The slide the GG she.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Has, the Governor General and I was I was in
the function where I was interviewing her about doing it,
and she's like, and I'll do it. And you could
see her entire because she has a security team of
about ten. You're never safer than when you're talking to
Zam and ther whole team's like, how the hell are
we meant to secure you?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And now she's pledged and Dana her herd. This is
actually going to happen.

Speaker 8 (55:04):
She is awesome and she will be great and I
can't wait to see what she goes as.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Phoebe, would you like to do it? Can we put
your pledge out that you'd like to go down the slide?

Speaker 7 (55:13):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (55:14):
You do?

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Oh yeah, Like no, that would be awesome. But yeah, no,
that would be really cool. So yeah, I think some point.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I think we know how.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
A thirty five.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
I feel like you have to you have to, like.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Not before it'll be like Big Three's thirty five. Would
I go alone?

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Oh my god, crock fro, No go as a Lomma'd.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Be like And Alica is about to walk out of
the room, so we better wrap up because she's like enough.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
En oh god, and.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Highs loads and big blows. Here on two good sports team.
We just love what you do. We love what you've
done for sport in this country, let alone women's sport.
We love watching you and we cannot wait for you
guys be back to back World Cup champions. Yeah, thank
you so much. And if anyone wants to get tickets,
where can they head to? If they want to see
the schedule, what can they do if you had.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
To create dot com dot au forward slash tickets. I reckon.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
We've actually got what I didn't mention. We've got a
home series against India. It's actually been pushed back to
February March, so it's late in the summer. So once
the boys are all done and dusted, bbl's over. You
can come watch us play against India, so that should
be a really cool contest. I think the first t
twenty of the series is at the SCG. So sorry
I say that because we're all Sydney siders, but yeah,

(56:37):
head online look at the schedule by tickets because it
should be a cracker.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Oh it's going to be so so good. Guys, Thank
you so much for being so generous with your time
and generous with all of the topics that we covered today,
which was a lot.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
Yeah, wild, Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh my god, Jelmy. Now maybe I am potentially a
bigger fan of theirs than.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
You, I know, but this is what the experience is
like when you work in women's cricket, Like you get
to know these people, these characters, they're raw, they're authentic,
they're also happen to be I don't know, the best
in the world at what they do, and yet there's
a level of access and just chat and good people
about them that it's so special, it's so unique, and
we so appreciate them coming in to give us a

(57:27):
bit of time. But I think as they touched on
their go to the games, bums on seat, get your
cricket bat signed so that you can do a Phoebe
Lichfield and who knows what's going to happen in ten
twenty thirty years time and what that battle mean.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I love that story so much. But she did give
me a little bit, you know, I'm existential, jellmy. She
gave me a bit of an identity crisis because how.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
Old are we?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I know when she's born in two thousand and three,
which leads me actually quite nicely into my funt fact
of the week, Jelmy, are you ready?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Never so.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Never strap yourself in because, as we know, Wimbledon currently
on a face who was very famous there? Novak Djokovic?
Ever heard of him? Well he has not. This is
the fun fact. He has not lost around one match
at Wimbledon since his debut in two thousand and five.

(58:24):
So Phoebe was two years old. We I think I
just started my casual job at Target. And just to
make you feel that little bit older, the very first
YouTube video ever posted was in two thousand and five.

(58:44):
Yeah do you think I know what it is?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I sure do?

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Have?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I got it landa Yeah, yeah I do?

Speaker 7 (58:50):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
How to YouTube that's a phenomenal when you think about
how grueling tennis is on your body and that he's
been that elite for that long.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
It's actually wild.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
So the video, the very first YouTube video is called
uploaded in two thousand and five, the last time Novvedjokovic
lost around one match in Wimbledon, is called Me at
the Zoo.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Here's a taste, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
So here we are one of the elephants. Cooling of
these guys because that they have really, really really long time.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
How many how many views, George? How many views per
day at the zoo?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Three hundred and sixty five million views for me at
the zoo? Where that man says, here I am at
the zoo. Here are elephants with their really long trunks.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
The video goes for nineteen.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
You were doing retail in two thousand and five, and
we should have been.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
We got with that sort of content.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
No I know.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
And now from there to the Juggernaut, Well that is YouTube.
What on earth a lot can happen in twenty years, guys,
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
And just to reminder of a throwback to our favorite
fun fact ever, that the top of the trophy for
Wimbledon has a pineapple on us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
So right, you're so right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
It's it's the winner, it's the best, winner of all
fun best, it's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Thank you so much for joining us this week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Thank you so much for Elisa and Phoebe for being
so generous with their time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
We love them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
If you love them again, go watch I'm so passionate
about women's cricket so and you couldn't hope for your
kids to have better role models than.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
This group of people.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
So get there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Until next week, go to the cricket