June 19, 2025 • 33 mins
We kick off with the chaos and glory of State of Origin II: the heartbreaks, the triumphs, and yes, the media pile-on. We break down the tension brewing between Billy Slater and Aaron Woods, and we ask the big question: where does commentary end and character assassination begin? Also, Georgie’s cooked up an iconic Axis of Evil and Good — can you guess where Perth’s weather lands?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Here at two Good Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the
land on which we record this podcast. There were innerie people.
This land was never seated, always was, always will be.
We are the pride of Queens.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
You need to start again, you need to say, I mean,
we just lost fifty percent of the listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, no, we haven't. No, we haven't, Jelly, because we're
going to a decider.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
All right, I'm taking it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hello, and welcome to too Good Sports. It sports news
told differently. I'm haby Jermy and Georgie Tunney is off ahead.
I've lost my mind because we wrote them off. They're
flat track bullies over in the West, usually the Blues,
but the Morons have done it. They've forced a decider
in state of origin DCE out Tommy did and in
(00:54):
who knows if that was why they did it. But
my god, also Western Australia sought your weather out.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh I can't, I can't tell me, for this is
a bit of a spoiler to our chat ahead, dear listeners.
But I have concocted an axis of evil from the
night and an axis of good from the night, and
we'll see where Perth weather falls in that later on,
but before we kick off our origin chat, we have
so much other sport to talk to you about as well.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Good sport, bad sport. Tell me what have you got
for us? So this is a little bit belated because
I don't know. We had the Prime Minister on the
podcast last week, so I didn't get a chance to
talk about my good sport bad sport.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Then also elbow massive good sport listeners. He was here
for two hours.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, he really was.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And if you listen back to the EPP you can
tell where Georgie and I are like, we really need
to move this on, and he keeps going, keeps going,
and we only want to move it on because we're
very aware that I don't know, if you haven't seen
him in the last couple of weeks, he's been brushed
by Trump, there's been different things going on in his life.
We were like, he's been and he was the one
that was like, no, have we got more to chat about?
Let me let me about gi. Yeah, continue chat was
(01:59):
even warmer.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
He tried to find videos of himself kicking a Sharon.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
That's right, that's right for us to enjoy and Albo
come back.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We'll see him find him.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Definitely, he's a friend of the pod. Honest he's a
friend of the pod.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But something that we unfortunately did have to glaze over
because Ah needed to give the PM ample times was
the French Open and what was unbelievable results in two parts. Firstly,
the men's final, Yes, was one of the greater games
of tennis that you'll ever see. As much as I
don't know about the dubious drug sing, I love Yannick Sinner.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It's hard not to like him because he's a runway model.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Jelmy, it's because he looks like he modeled for Berbury
in the early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No, it's honestly's Eddie Redman life.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He is the opposite of Arena Sabolenka in that he
is so humble when he loses. Yes, and again, if
you squint at Corlos Alcarez, you're like, oh, still.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
A Spaniard winning on clay? Is that hello? Hello Dahl?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Is that you?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But I love the stat that they were literally the
exact same age to the day as when Nadahle won
his fifth Grand Slam, as when Alcoraz one to the
day to the day, and again, I love tennis people
because they're nuffies and they find these things out. I mean,
who even knows that? So firstly Alcaraz or Sinner.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh al Choraz. Actually I do quite like Sinner. But
in terms of watching I have had the pleasure of
watching both of those athletes on court in the stands,
and Yannick's just a little bit boring because he's so good,
like he's so good and he like he just but he.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
He's very lark.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He's very long limbed, very.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Long limbs, so I'm never seeing any volleys. I'm never
really seeing him straight like Alcaz because he gets his
arms out. I was actually with you and you're like, wow,
guilty enjoy he's running around, you know what I mean.
It's a little bit more high stakes. There's a bit
of we really enjoy it. You know.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm obsessed with that. So yeah, I am team Alcoraz.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Neither of those my good sports okay, but sorry. My
good sport though, is cocoa gol And this is why
we love her. So did you know this? This is
leaning into fun fact territory. The trophy they hold up
at the French Open and that they kiss and all
of that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
They don't get to keep what. Let's I just want
to fridge joke in or rolling garows. And this is
a trophy that you guys see, the one that we
teake pitchers with, depressed with and all that. But actually,
if you don't get to take this home, this stays
with the tournament. And I'm gonna show you, guys the
one can take home.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's a lot smaller. So that's just the one we
take home.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
It's like many replica of the triphy. And yeah, I
guess to compare.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's really small.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Reference She's put it next to a bottle of water
and it's all like small. Sorry, I've got distracted by
the private She's just casually on a paj which of
calls you.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Are like, so they may count with the trophy. Tennis players,
they kiss it lot, they look it, they do all
the things they have to give it back. Sorry, who's
licking and never.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Try it with a coffee cut again.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
She's on a private jet, so I don't feel so
sorry for her, and the fact that she's chosen to
film this on the private jet also sliding scale.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But I'm with you in good sport territory because Coco
is showing us what life is like as one of
the athletes. This is the next gen, this is what
they do and this I adore her for it. She also,
fun fact, forgot all of her rackets in the first
game of that tournament.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
You had to remember that. She walked unto the court
and is like, ah, God, damn it, this.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Bag is empty. I didn't bring any rackets.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Guys, help help me. Do you know who wouldn't do that?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Alchoriz because he counts them five times and put them
into numerical order.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But how's that?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh my god, it's amazing. And also this wasn't planned,
but my good sport bad sport for this week is
a little bit of both. And it's also tennis related.
Yeah yeah, god, we're just absolutely telepathic. So from the
French Open, we moved to the US Open, and the
US Open is doing something new with its doubles draw,
and that is essentially making it more palatable to the
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casual tennis fan. They're making it shorter, and they're opening
up the qualification of who is deemed to be a
doubles pairing, so it's going to be based on your
singles ranking. So just let that sink in because there
are professional doubles players who singles ranking not so good,
So there's going to be a cap for.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That, which at one point was ASHPARTI by the way.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah yeah, So the reigning champions in the women's doubles
of the US Open, based on their singles ranking technically
may not even qualify for the doubles draw of this
year's tournament because their singles ranking is so low. But
they won the doubles last year, if that makes sense. However,
as a sports says Koreas doubles players, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So as a sports lover, I think it's a bad sport.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
As a tennis fan, there's talk of one of the
pairents being an aaomia saka and.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Curious, which also you want to pick two pole of
personalities like I'm just here because I love tennis, okay,
and Nick's like fuck everyone?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So how does that actually is that tennis? What I'm
here in my basketball shorts?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean, it's both good sport and bad sport, because
I do think all sports are looking at how they
can be more palatable to an audience, i e.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Trying to do their T twenty version.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They are, and they're changing this game. They're not going
to advantage points, They're making their actual sets shorter. It's
a it's going to be rapid fire.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Ten And if you've ever gone to tennis, especially at
night session, and been like it is three am, the
players look tired. Everything about this needs to be quicker
that actually checks out. I mean, I I can't wait
to watch. I love the US Open anyway. I think
the crowd are awesome. There's always someone sculling something.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah yeah, and there's always a fight the celebrity, the
tennis player and someone in the crowd.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's amazing. And the celebrity spotting is I'm I mean
you don't. I mean I like the wimbled and fashion
like I love watching how To Cratic. Everyone goes to
have their strawberry and cream. But we love the US
Open and it's just one of those slams that, for
whatever reason, I think it just is a bit rock star.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And it sounds like they're trying to make the doubles
match it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A little bit rockstar. The performance of the Queensland Maroons.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And by that I mean at times poetic, at times,
our stresses we get into it.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Next it means a lot ah to be able to
captain this team and walk out, sorry run out with
his team and the obviously the pressure and and all
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the criticism that Billy Slater's been getting for us and
we're this guyd We played for him tonight. He deserves everything.
He loves Queensland, loves his group and I'm as proud
of our boys to turn up for him because there's
been a lot of speculations in media and we need
to turn up for our coach to nine and we
fucking did.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wefen did Yes. That was the Queensland skipper, Cameron Munster
in his first match as the Queensland skipper and he's
got one hundred percent success right and he was Player
of the match. Well done sir.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
He also done one hundred percent success rate at swearing
in the postmatch as captain. Tell me you're not used
to making a captain address without telling me. It's one
of you boomed out over the stadium and you drop
an FM.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's one of I mean, we're going to go on
a tangent already de listener, but it's one of my
favorite things. When you compare like a rugby league Grand
final and an Ossie rules Grand Final and you do
the lap of honor with whatever team has won. You've
got that poor reporter there being like how many times
am I just going to have to ignore the fact
that you have sworn on national television and in rugby
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league it's literally every second word in Ossie rules you
might get one and.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
They're like, well, like, sorry, didn't me do?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Sorry? But yes origin two we are off to a
decider twenty six points to twenty four Queensland over New
South Wales, and I tell you what, I lost years
of my life.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
They decided just not to score.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Oh my goodness. Jeremy sent me in teggs halfway through
the first half, which.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Was nobody make any sudden movements because we've been here,
except it was the Broncos, and I literally said to you,
I'm like, well this is done, congratulations.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Next minute the Panthers decided to panther and when Nathan
Clear is involved, you just never know. You just never
And they were coming Georgie, but they're kicking game.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Let them down again.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Oh I score more tries and lose.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
What a fantastic segue by you, Because I did tease
at the start of this podcast. I had an access
of evil and an access of good. Now this is
obviously through the eyes of a one eyed Queensland are
so my access of evil? Number one? The Bunker, what
are you doing that decision late in the game, which
nearly cost the Morons the win of Kayl and Ponger
knocking on which it wasn't the ball went backwards?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Are you blind? Are you blind? Bunker? You're on the list.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's number one another axis. Angus Crichton and Stephen Crichton.
You're great players. I've had enough of you. Stop being
so good for your South Wales. Okay, access ofero point
three Perth weather, tell me what was happening?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
People think that Perth is sunshine all the time. When
it rains, it buckets.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will say though, for this fifty seven thousand people
that were there to watch in horrific conditions like it
would have tested my allegiance to even day night. I
was like, this is desired, I'm going to even see.
But the spectacle itself was great, like this was a
thrilling origin game.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
This speaks more largely to my opinion about sport.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
It starts so goddamn late, Oh my god, and AFL
I haven't.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Seen and this is lifting behind the veil. So two
good sports listeners. If you could keep it between us,
that'd be awesome. I haven't seen the end of a
football match this year.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Last night included. I have small children that wake up
at all hours. If I get to nine o'clock, I'm like,
the eye starts drooping. I start going like, I actually
AFL goes for four hundred hours.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It does, it really does.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then last night, obviously because it's of the time difference,
they don't start until eight o'clock. Wolf Mother's playing and
I'm like, this should be the second half. I'm so tired.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Where is that and where is the stated?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Someone someone begin I know, I know, it is late.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It is really really late, and especially for those spectacle
pieces like even the NRAL.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Finals together later and later and later and later.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it is difficult. It is totally difficult. And for them,
though at least in Perth it was earlier. Yeah technically
so maybe that's why they had such a good turnout.
But it I think as an advertisement for the game,
it was a good one for rugby league. I think
it passed. I think it passed, which brings me to
my axis of good in the twenty six to twenty
four point victory for the Maroons.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Nathan Cleary's dodgy hamstring.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was good, and yet he still had that beauty
full try or he ducked and weaved.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I was awake for that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He was taking off him. He can find space though,
Oh he can find space. That was like a little
warning bellot. I thought, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Happening again, and you're also taking do you know who
you shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Let's sneak up on you Nathan Clary.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Honestly, because he was injured. Is the only way that
the Queensland Morons did not lose that in those final moments, because.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You didn't win, you didn't lose.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We didn't lose. We held on. We held on because
Nathan Cleary's hams. To everyone's like, do you actually think
he's injured? I was like, can you see the full
layers of strapping on that right hamstring. I mean, I'm
just putting it out there that I think maybe it's
a bit tight, and that is a great thing for
Queensland fans. My other access point in the axis of good,
the kicking hex continues. So from game one, Nathan Cleary
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could not kick anything. Zach Lomax came in kicked a couple,
but they have not been able to convert their tries.
That continued last night. You were right, Jelmy.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
New South Wales scored five triest the year four.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, it's something they really do need to look at
because it cost them the game last night. And then
my other access point, Tommy did and he had to
be put in as the halfback. Billy Slader has copped
a lot of criticism about that, the dumping of the
Queensland captain daily Cherry Evans. Tommy did and repaid that
play last night. He was very, very good, very strong.
I'm excited for the next years that we will see
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him in the Morons.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Jesse, and you mentioned the fact that DC was dropped,
and I think this began what was not unprecedented, but
a continuation of the.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Criticism that we saw leveled at Billy Slater.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And what I do know about Queenslanders is their parochial
and they're used to winning Georgia.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Is that fair? That's a fair statement, very fair. So
they're going in an unusual.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Form slump and by that I mean they might have
lost three in a row. What I heard of that
gets you sacked, though he does get so all of
a sudden there is this pressure cooker of comments and
it's almost like who can say the most outlandish thing
and who can make the biggest headline. And that's when
we saw a former Blues champion and Aaron Woods come
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out in the media and use a particular term that
I have to be said, it's used in sporting circles
more than it is anywhere else, and it's personal because
you can't come out and call someone a grub without
making comment on who they are. And this was the
hot take that then blew up in the NRL circles.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
You watch these blokes up north and they say they
don't get it, we don't get origin, and they use
this pick and stick mentality. Well, really, you've just turned
on your skipper. I want to see the real Billys
later come out the grub that we know of, because
this is a bloke had they got six weeks suspension
of luck at over.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Someone.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Oh he's such a nice bloke. Well mate, you've lost.
You won your first two series as coach, you've lost
last series. You picked the side that we all expecting.
So I was win thirteen plus luckily thee didn't play well.
You go on in another game if you lose this
second series, is that meaning going to get sacked because
Kevin Wald's got sacked up the two series losses and
he only coached for Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I mean that's personal. Yes, there's no there's no other
way to look at that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, I think so. I think so, and you are
right Jellmy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean I like Aaron woods He was an excellent
stalwart for the New South Wales Blues and the West
Tigers and the Canterbury Bulldogs during his playing career. But
part of your role when you are a commentator and
get we feel this pressure as well, is to make
pretty strong statements to get traction and to get eyes
on you and to get followers and to build the
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narrative around certain games. So Woodsy has completely lent in there.
Did he cross the line?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I think so? And I think you and I we
play in this world. I'm primarily a sports commentator. You
obviously we work in sport here, but obviously you work
across other things as well. And I think we are
seeing more more than ever because of the saturation in
the marks of people having hot takes on sport, this
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need to one up or be better. And also I
would say having a lens across American sport. You've got
Steven a Smith who's literally at war with Lebrones and
the two of them are talking about the fact that
they would have a punch up and that's all adds
to the fodder. So I think there's this idea that
you can be antagonistic and there's no limit on where
that can be. We've seen that Caine Corns was actually
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banned from the North Melbourne rooms and seven weren't allowed
in the room's pregame or post game, which I will
be on the record. From what I've met of Caine personally,
he's only ever been delightful to me. I know that
he works really hard and consumes more footy than anyone.
But what he said about Harry Sheesel essentially stats padding
and he called it sheaesel ball. Once you start applying
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personal nicknames to things like grub or sheaesel ball, it
does become immensely personal, and so it gets to a
point where it's like you're just doing your job, but
you're being unkind doing it, and there are going to
be repercussions for that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And I think those repercussions sometimes aren't they're not your intention,
but regardless of that, they kind of become your responsibility
because you have said that, right, Like we don't know.
Like grub for me is a word that I toss
around at the television all the time. It's watching rugby league.
You say grub writting rugby league? Yeah, watching is it
a rugby league? Because I've never said grub in our
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In our podcast with Ryan Hoffman, I was like, Queens
Eye needs more grub, like we the sentiment of.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I use the term grub.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I was watching the line kicks and it was Simon
and Pumba looking for some grub. Because I've never thought
about it in any I'm trying to think, I'm like
grub when would I ever?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
And I'm like, they're going to rustle up some grub and.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
You know how they're very see that they look like
that is the only reference because grub isn't necessarily an
AFL T.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's a very rugby league term, right, but there's a
way in which it is used. I use it as
a compliment a lot of times, Like I was calling
for Queensland to be grubby going into the second game
versus the first because I didn't say I didn't see
them showing enough mungrel. Yeah, they didn't have that. They
were missing that little bit of fight where it goes
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into different territory there with Woodsy is you know, he
doesn't necessarily know what's going on with Billy Slater right now.
Billy's taken personal issue with that term, because you're right,
it's the pressure cooker. It's just the pressure that keeps
amping up.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And there was a gap between the statement there by
Aaron Woods and what Billy Slater says here, and so
Billy Slater has had time to consider this response, and
I think you can tell that in what he says.
Let's have a bit of a listen to what Billy
Slater says when he was asked about these comments.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Billy, you've been called a grunt by Aaron Woods.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Were you surprised by that?
Speaker 10 (19:44):
And how did you will see it?
Speaker 11 (19:46):
When you hold a position in the media in our game,
I feel that's a privilege and with that privilege comes
a responsibility. I sit in that position most weeks, and
you amplify your voice to millions of people, you're not
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talking to your mates in the public.
Speaker 12 (20:08):
Now.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
I know Aaron Woods. I actually ran into him about
three or four weeks ago at a footy game and
he didn't voice that opinion. Then he actually brought his
son over to introduce him to me. When you degrade
someone personally in a derogatory manner, you probably don't deserve
one of those privileged positions that you were all in.
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That we're all in. You don't know what people are
going through, and although I might be able to handle it,
the next person mightn't be. Maybe our last coach didn't.
I believe the character of a person is judged more
on what they say about people and how they treat
people than what an individual says to create attention about someone.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Strong words there, emotional words from Billy Slater. He does
make mention there to former Queensland State of Origin coach
Paul Green, who was a legend of rugby league who
died by suicide a couple of years ago, was suffering
with CT Now Billy has come out since making that
statement and apologize because he didn't mean to draw the
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connection between Paul Green's death and potentially poor mental health
based on negative comments in the media. He's made that apology.
Paul Green's family has accepted that. Yes, so we're going
to leave that there. But what that statement from Billy,
it's very strong, very strong, and I think he's well
within his rights to make those comments and make that
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response to Woodsy. I mean, we're seeing if you are
going to say something and have your hot take, you
need to be able to take the response to.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And also, for whatever reason, and you and I have
both witnessed this, there's this weird phenomenon that happens with
some people where they will say to a camera something
they would never say if the person was present, Yes,
which for me feels like such a weird phenomenon because
not only that person's normally going to hear, millions of
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others might like it's weird that you would be more
las a fair when talking to such an audience, and
perhaps it's because they don't connect with I often find
people get more nervous in a room of a thousand
people than talking down a barrel where there'll be a
million there. Yes, Like there's a different energy about it,
and you watch your words differently. So that's a bit
that got meet the fact that he's like, well, he
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obviously doesn't think I'm a grub, to the point where
he goes and gets his son yes and says, come
and meet the great Billy Slater. And I think the
other thing is he took on everyone's favorite song.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Everyone loves Billy Slater.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's true. It's very very true, including new South Welshman
like friend of the Pot Ryan Hoffman. I mean, he
was very, very obvious on the pod about how much
he loves Billy Slater. In light of his former teammate
Aaron Woods's comments, he took to Instagram and said, I
get it, it's origin and being a blue we hate Queensland,
but this is a rubbish take by Woodsey. One hundred
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percent question Bill selections his tactics, et cetera, but call
on mc grubb is just rubbish clickbait.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Billy's later it was also in his bridal party. There's
probably that later you're taken on one of mine.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I wear blue, but he's my own. But you still
can't take on Billy.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And I think so I post I re shared that
clip of Billy because I deeply feel that if you
are going to be a media exactly what he said
there's a responsibility and a privilege to it where you,
I think, need to permeate a way that you hope
your kids would talk. Yeah, in the same way that
we say to athletes, whether you like it or not,
(23:35):
people look up to you, whether you like it or not,
kids in particular, but people consume the way that you talk.
And there is a way that you can be critical
and very strong in your criticism, but not be personal
and unkind.
Speaker 13 (23:49):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And I feel like the personal and unkind is the
ones that blow up. It's that shock jock factor.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's also driven by the media as well, though Billy
is only saying that because he's been directly asked the media.
He's not there calling that press conference here he had
to take on Aaron.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You're telling me Channel seven don't love Cane Corns for
taking hot takes. Yes, that's why he's in that pass.
But that's why they have a job as well. Exactly,
they are doing their job. Yeah, and we see that
on a larger scale again, used terms shock jock. There's
a million faces that come to mind that have done
so well in media by having those extreme takes. And
for mine, I'm like, I wonder how much you actually
(24:24):
believe in your extreme take or you want to just
lean into the caricatur.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
But I think in this circumstance, when we're talking about
comments in sports media, there has to be a level
of responsibility to it. And bizarrely this has all led
to a galvanizing of the morons going. And you heard
that there with Munster essentially going. You took on one
of ours and so I wanted to play for my coach.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, yeah, And he had wonderful words to say in
the post match press conference backing that up.
Speaker 10 (24:50):
Okay, I've heard you interviewed after the game on the fields,
but quite emotionally, we have doing it for a billion
sort of the what he's made to the last forty
eight hours and the pressure have the last few games.
What do it means to you played with him being
coached by him? How much did that galvanize the team?
Speaker 12 (25:05):
Yeah, when we've got jabs or blokes in the media,
having got your coach and like, at the end of
the day, he's he's our coach and he's done everything
he can and tick the boxes for us, and we
didn't perform for him in Game one and he got
a lot of sluck for it and a lot of
stuff in the media, and he didn't deserve it. And
I played with Bill, he's a champion player and champion coach.
And when I've had a great relationship with him and
(25:27):
still do and we're better, like we're probably almost really
close mates. And when you have someone Javinati like that,
it really hurts. It hurts me personally, and I'm never
tell him that, but now I'm probably telling him now,
and I love him.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
And what does it mean to hear that belly that
support from teams?
Speaker 7 (25:40):
It has been an event for twenty four hours for you,
like how they reconciled it.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
And he's ever said to me, no, like it, Like
I don't know, Like I know the game, I'm in
the game.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I understand it.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
Sometimes you know, heeds to get pushed to the boundary,
but like, like it hasn't it hasn't influenced how I
look at myself and who I am as a person,
Like I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Very comfortable question without notice before we wrap up, because
we could talk at length even further about this. Do
you think that the life of a shock jock and
your success is a shock jock is predetermined by you
being a man. I think it's also gendered one. We
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don't see very many women in this space anyway to
be able to be afforded to have a hot take.
But I think for us.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Say that again, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Think that there is not enough women in this industry
that have the platform to be able to have these
hot takes and have no repercussions.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Are you implying that there's a sports entertainment network that
don't have a single female host?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, but all they do is talk about sport and
not even on their overnight shift even their specialists in wine,
which they have one.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, and I say this, I love is ye and
I listen all the time, but it blows my mind
that there is not a single female host.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, but there's also reason like even if.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
There was, because the vitriol that would come for them
for having a hot take is so different than if
it was a bloke.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It's not you have to think of every single second
of the day that you are broadcasting. This is the
life that we live. It's me I could be here
with a full critical analysis with PowerPoint slides about Nathan
Cleary's left side step and I would get somebody, you
don't even know the game? Did you even play? How
(27:41):
would you know? I know, Like it's just I can't
have hot takes because I'm not allowed to. Yeah, that
is something that I think this conversation is also missing.
You can build these narratives, you can have this whole
whirlpool of vitriol and all of this potentially just putting
it out there. If there were more female voices in here,
(28:02):
we may not see such a fallout.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
My problem is I live in this space, but my
want to keep my own peace and not deal with
the vitriol that comes with having a hot take has
mellowed me enormously, and that I love creating a platform
for people like Ryan Hoffman to go off, but even
if I enormously agree with him, I almost won't going
(28:26):
hard afterwards unless it's in this format with you. Yes,
I don't feel like I can be my earnest self
still in sport without feeling like the ton of bricks
will fall on you. So I do think there is
definitely that gendered thing that blokes can go really harder
on this and we can't because we never played the game,
(28:49):
which they never say about Jared Whiteley.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I can talk about Reyes Walsh getting his head chopped
off in an Origin game and maybe probably not the
best look when it comes to CTA and everything we're
doing with concussion.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Or decigning to get punched in the head.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, and I will have hundreds of comments being like,
you don't even like rugby league? Sorry? What what?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And the sad thing is we're still there, and I
think it takes us to be more vocal about it.
But that's why we've created this space. And the really
nice thing for me is that we and for us
is that we created two good sports because it's the
space that we wished existed when we were getting into
sports media. And by just being ourselves, of which I've
(29:35):
directly had bosses tell me that I need to temper
my interest to be more palatable to a male audience
to be taken seriously.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I e.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
If you post about fashion and makeup, no one's going
to believe that you know anything about sport. Direct quote
that a conversation that happened with me with a boss.
We by just being ourselves get the Prime Minister to
come in.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
That's right, because.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
There are people that I don't know their hobbies don't
have to include golf and dark liquor in order to
know anything about sport. And I think hopefully the audience
is pivoting that way. But I think when you see
these overt hot takes, you can have them and still
be kind. And I think, dare I say it, there
(30:17):
is a gendering where women are better at doing that?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, yeah, there is, there is, and they'll do it
in a way and still be called dramatic. And I'm like,
if you think that that could potentially be dramatic, let's
just rewind every single grab that we have played on
this episode.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
If women did this, it would be labeled to cat fight.
Oh yeah, yeah, cat fight between former play Imagine if
this was the Tillies, oh.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
One hundred percent, one hundred percent, it would be And look,
that's not necessarily what this episode is about, but I
think that it's a very very valid point that we raise, and.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
If we don't raise it, no one else will.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
No one else will, but Queensland heading to a decider.
That is the takeaway?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Is that the fun fact?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
No, oh my gosh, yes, fun fact. This is a
complete deviation and I am so excited to hear well,
really see your reaction to my fun fact, I've gone
absolutely rogue, dear listener, in a surprise to no one. Okay,
fun fact. Did you know that Locke Neil and I
might be the same person? Have we been in the
(31:24):
same room together? No? Not yet. We both love the
Brisbane lines. Last time I checked, we both had multiple
brand Loow medals to our name, and I've just found
out we have the same pop culture icon' Locky favorite
TV character of all time?
Speaker 8 (31:45):
Ash from Pokemon Peak a Pokemon guy.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He goes, who is your favorite television character of all time?
Without blinking, Locky Neil aka Georgie Tunney goes Ash from
Pokemon Are you joking? No one will ever say that
except for me. That's so true. No one would ever
say that. What what Lucky Neil, sir? Come on the
(32:12):
podcast or can you we're the same person? I don't know.
Have you been here the whole time?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
HOWE come on?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
So arguably one of the greatest players to ever and
to you know what, if not for Patrick Kipps getting
off that high hit that then meant that he won
a brown Low.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He's a three time brown Low medalist.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Locking Neil he's only one two, but he could have
potentially won three. So one of the greatest players of
all time. And your argument is you must be the
same person because you'll like the same anime. Yeah, okay, yeah,
I just really wanted to clear that up. Locking Neil
and his partner Jules, who's a legend. I'm sure that
we could get him on the pod.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I mean, if you want to call it a hot take,
I'm happy to.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
All Right, we're getting on him.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Should we better go until next week?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Be a great sport?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Look at you
Here at two Good Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the
land on which we record this podcast. There were innerie people.
This land was never seated, always was, always will be.
We are the pride of Queens.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
You need to start again, you need to say, I mean,
we just lost fifty percent of the listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, no, we haven't. No, we haven't, Jelly, because we're
going to a decider.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
All right, I'm taking it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hello, and welcome to too Good Sports. It sports news
told differently. I'm haby Jermy and Georgie Tunney is off ahead.
I've lost my mind because we wrote them off. They're
flat track bullies over in the West, usually the Blues,
but the Morons have done it. They've forced a decider
in state of origin DCE out Tommy did and in
(00:54):
who knows if that was why they did it. But
my god, also Western Australia sought your weather out.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh I can't, I can't tell me, for this is
a bit of a spoiler to our chat ahead, dear listeners.
But I have concocted an axis of evil from the
night and an axis of good from the night, and
we'll see where Perth weather falls in that later on,
but before we kick off our origin chat, we have
so much other sport to talk to you about as well.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Good sport, bad sport. Tell me what have you got
for us? So this is a little bit belated because
I don't know. We had the Prime Minister on the
podcast last week, so I didn't get a chance to
talk about my good sport bad sport.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Then also elbow massive good sport listeners. He was here
for two hours.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, he really was.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And if you listen back to the EPP you can
tell where Georgie and I are like, we really need
to move this on, and he keeps going, keeps going,
and we only want to move it on because we're
very aware that I don't know, if you haven't seen
him in the last couple of weeks, he's been brushed
by Trump, there's been different things going on in his life.
We were like, he's been and he was the one
that was like, no, have we got more to chat about?
Let me let me about gi. Yeah, continue chat was
(01:59):
even warmer.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
He tried to find videos of himself kicking a Sharon.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
That's right, that's right for us to enjoy and Albo
come back.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We'll see him find him.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Definitely, he's a friend of the pod. Honest he's a
friend of the pod.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But something that we unfortunately did have to glaze over
because Ah needed to give the PM ample times was
the French Open and what was unbelievable results in two parts. Firstly,
the men's final, Yes, was one of the greater games
of tennis that you'll ever see. As much as I
don't know about the dubious drug sing, I love Yannick Sinner.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It's hard not to like him because he's a runway model.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Jelmy, it's because he looks like he modeled for Berbury
in the early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No, it's honestly's Eddie Redman life.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He is the opposite of Arena Sabolenka in that he
is so humble when he loses. Yes, and again, if
you squint at Corlos Alcarez, you're like, oh, still.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
A Spaniard winning on clay? Is that hello? Hello Dahl?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Is that you?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But I love the stat that they were literally the
exact same age to the day as when Nadahle won
his fifth Grand Slam, as when Alcoraz one to the
day to the day, and again, I love tennis people
because they're nuffies and they find these things out. I mean,
who even knows that? So firstly Alcaraz or Sinner.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh al Choraz. Actually I do quite like Sinner. But
in terms of watching I have had the pleasure of
watching both of those athletes on court in the stands,
and Yannick's just a little bit boring because he's so good,
like he's so good and he like he just but he.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
He's very lark.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He's very long limbed, very.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Long limbs, so I'm never seeing any volleys. I'm never
really seeing him straight like Alcaz because he gets his
arms out. I was actually with you and you're like, wow,
guilty enjoy he's running around, you know what I mean.
It's a little bit more high stakes. There's a bit
of we really enjoy it. You know.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm obsessed with that. So yeah, I am team Alcoraz.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Neither of those my good sports okay, but sorry. My
good sport though, is cocoa gol And this is why
we love her. So did you know this? This is
leaning into fun fact territory. The trophy they hold up
at the French Open and that they kiss and all
of that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
They don't get to keep what. Let's I just want
to fridge joke in or rolling garows. And this is
a trophy that you guys see, the one that we
teake pitchers with, depressed with and all that. But actually,
if you don't get to take this home, this stays
with the tournament. And I'm gonna show you, guys the
one can take home.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's a lot smaller. So that's just the one we
take home.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
It's like many replica of the triphy. And yeah, I
guess to compare.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's really small.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Reference She's put it next to a bottle of water
and it's all like small. Sorry, I've got distracted by
the private She's just casually on a paj which of
calls you.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Are like, so they may count with the trophy. Tennis players,
they kiss it lot, they look it, they do all
the things they have to give it back. Sorry, who's
licking and never.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Try it with a coffee cut again.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
She's on a private jet, so I don't feel so
sorry for her, and the fact that she's chosen to
film this on the private jet also sliding scale.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But I'm with you in good sport territory because Coco
is showing us what life is like as one of
the athletes. This is the next gen, this is what
they do and this I adore her for it. She also,
fun fact, forgot all of her rackets in the first
game of that tournament.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
You had to remember that. She walked unto the court
and is like, ah, God, damn it, this.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Bag is empty. I didn't bring any rackets.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Guys, help help me. Do you know who wouldn't do that?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Alchoriz because he counts them five times and put them
into numerical order.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But how's that?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh my god, it's amazing. And also this wasn't planned,
but my good sport bad sport for this week is
a little bit of both. And it's also tennis related.
Yeah yeah, god, we're just absolutely telepathic. So from the
French Open, we moved to the US Open, and the
US Open is doing something new with its doubles draw,
and that is essentially making it more palatable to the
(06:04):
casual tennis fan. They're making it shorter, and they're opening
up the qualification of who is deemed to be a
doubles pairing, so it's going to be based on your
singles ranking. So just let that sink in because there
are professional doubles players who singles ranking not so good,
So there's going to be a cap for.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That, which at one point was ASHPARTI by the way.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah yeah, So the reigning champions in the women's doubles
of the US Open, based on their singles ranking technically
may not even qualify for the doubles draw of this
year's tournament because their singles ranking is so low. But
they won the doubles last year, if that makes sense. However,
as a sports says Koreas doubles players, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So as a sports lover, I think it's a bad sport.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
As a tennis fan, there's talk of one of the
pairents being an aaomia saka and.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Curious, which also you want to pick two pole of
personalities like I'm just here because I love tennis, okay,
and Nick's like fuck everyone?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So how does that actually is that tennis? What I'm
here in my basketball shorts?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean, it's both good sport and bad sport, because
I do think all sports are looking at how they
can be more palatable to an audience, i e.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Trying to do their T twenty version.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They are, and they're changing this game. They're not going
to advantage points, They're making their actual sets shorter. It's
a it's going to be rapid fire.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Ten And if you've ever gone to tennis, especially at
night session, and been like it is three am, the
players look tired. Everything about this needs to be quicker
that actually checks out. I mean, I I can't wait
to watch. I love the US Open anyway. I think
the crowd are awesome. There's always someone sculling something.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah yeah, and there's always a fight the celebrity, the
tennis player and someone in the crowd.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's amazing. And the celebrity spotting is I'm I mean
you don't. I mean I like the wimbled and fashion
like I love watching how To Cratic. Everyone goes to
have their strawberry and cream. But we love the US
Open and it's just one of those slams that, for
whatever reason, I think it just is a bit rock star.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And it sounds like they're trying to make the doubles
match it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A little bit rockstar. The performance of the Queensland Maroons.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And by that I mean at times poetic, at times,
our stresses we get into it.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Next it means a lot ah to be able to
captain this team and walk out, sorry run out with
his team and the obviously the pressure and and all
(08:45):
the criticism that Billy Slater's been getting for us and
we're this guyd We played for him tonight. He deserves everything.
He loves Queensland, loves his group and I'm as proud
of our boys to turn up for him because there's
been a lot of speculations in media and we need
to turn up for our coach to nine and we
fucking did.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wefen did Yes. That was the Queensland skipper, Cameron Munster
in his first match as the Queensland skipper and he's
got one hundred percent success right and he was Player
of the match. Well done sir.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
He also done one hundred percent success rate at swearing
in the postmatch as captain. Tell me you're not used
to making a captain address without telling me. It's one
of you boomed out over the stadium and you drop
an FM.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's one of I mean, we're going to go on
a tangent already de listener, but it's one of my
favorite things. When you compare like a rugby league Grand
final and an Ossie rules Grand Final and you do
the lap of honor with whatever team has won. You've
got that poor reporter there being like how many times
am I just going to have to ignore the fact
that you have sworn on national television and in rugby
(09:46):
league it's literally every second word in Ossie rules you
might get one and.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
They're like, well, like, sorry, didn't me do?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Sorry? But yes origin two we are off to a
decider twenty six points to twenty four Queensland over New
South Wales, and I tell you what, I lost years
of my life.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
They decided just not to score.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Oh my goodness. Jeremy sent me in teggs halfway through
the first half, which.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Was nobody make any sudden movements because we've been here,
except it was the Broncos, and I literally said to you,
I'm like, well this is done, congratulations.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Next minute the Panthers decided to panther and when Nathan
Clear is involved, you just never know. You just never
And they were coming Georgie, but they're kicking game.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Let them down again.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Oh I score more tries and lose.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
What a fantastic segue by you, Because I did tease
at the start of this podcast. I had an access
of evil and an access of good. Now this is
obviously through the eyes of a one eyed Queensland are
so my access of evil? Number one? The Bunker, what
are you doing that decision late in the game, which
nearly cost the Morons the win of Kayl and Ponger
knocking on which it wasn't the ball went backwards?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Are you blind? Are you blind? Bunker? You're on the list.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's number one another axis. Angus Crichton and Stephen Crichton.
You're great players. I've had enough of you. Stop being
so good for your South Wales. Okay, access ofero point
three Perth weather, tell me what was happening?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
People think that Perth is sunshine all the time. When
it rains, it buckets.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will say though, for this fifty seven thousand people
that were there to watch in horrific conditions like it
would have tested my allegiance to even day night. I
was like, this is desired, I'm going to even see.
But the spectacle itself was great, like this was a
thrilling origin game.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
This speaks more largely to my opinion about sport.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
It starts so goddamn late, Oh my god, and AFL
I haven't.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Seen and this is lifting behind the veil. So two
good sports listeners. If you could keep it between us,
that'd be awesome. I haven't seen the end of a
football match this year.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Last night included. I have small children that wake up
at all hours. If I get to nine o'clock, I'm like,
the eye starts drooping. I start going like, I actually
AFL goes for four hundred hours.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It does, it really does.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then last night, obviously because it's of the time difference,
they don't start until eight o'clock. Wolf Mother's playing and
I'm like, this should be the second half. I'm so tired.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Where is that and where is the stated?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Someone someone begin I know, I know, it is late.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It is really really late, and especially for those spectacle
pieces like even the NRAL.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Finals together later and later and later and later.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it is difficult. It is totally difficult. And for them,
though at least in Perth it was earlier. Yeah technically
so maybe that's why they had such a good turnout.
But it I think as an advertisement for the game,
it was a good one for rugby league. I think
it passed. I think it passed, which brings me to
my axis of good in the twenty six to twenty
four point victory for the Maroons.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Nathan Cleary's dodgy hamstring.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was good, and yet he still had that beauty
full try or he ducked and weaved.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I was awake for that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He was taking off him. He can find space though,
Oh he can find space. That was like a little
warning bellot. I thought, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Happening again, and you're also taking do you know who
you shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Let's sneak up on you Nathan Clary.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Honestly, because he was injured. Is the only way that
the Queensland Morons did not lose that in those final moments, because.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You didn't win, you didn't lose.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We didn't lose. We held on. We held on because
Nathan Cleary's hams. To everyone's like, do you actually think
he's injured? I was like, can you see the full
layers of strapping on that right hamstring. I mean, I'm
just putting it out there that I think maybe it's
a bit tight, and that is a great thing for
Queensland fans. My other access point in the axis of good,
the kicking hex continues. So from game one, Nathan Cleary
(13:47):
could not kick anything. Zach Lomax came in kicked a couple,
but they have not been able to convert their tries.
That continued last night. You were right, Jelmy.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
New South Wales scored five triest the year four.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, it's something they really do need to look at
because it cost them the game last night. And then
my other access point, Tommy did and he had to
be put in as the halfback. Billy Slader has copped
a lot of criticism about that, the dumping of the
Queensland captain daily Cherry Evans. Tommy did and repaid that
play last night. He was very, very good, very strong.
I'm excited for the next years that we will see
(14:22):
him in the Morons.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Jesse, and you mentioned the fact that DC was dropped,
and I think this began what was not unprecedented, but
a continuation of the.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Criticism that we saw leveled at Billy Slater.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And what I do know about Queenslanders is their parochial
and they're used to winning Georgia.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Is that fair? That's a fair statement, very fair. So
they're going in an unusual.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Form slump and by that I mean they might have
lost three in a row. What I heard of that
gets you sacked, though he does get so all of
a sudden there is this pressure cooker of comments and
it's almost like who can say the most outlandish thing
and who can make the biggest headline. And that's when
we saw a former Blues champion and Aaron Woods come
(15:03):
out in the media and use a particular term that
I have to be said, it's used in sporting circles
more than it is anywhere else, and it's personal because
you can't come out and call someone a grub without
making comment on who they are. And this was the
hot take that then blew up in the NRL circles.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
You watch these blokes up north and they say they
don't get it, we don't get origin, and they use
this pick and stick mentality. Well, really, you've just turned
on your skipper. I want to see the real Billys
later come out the grub that we know of, because
this is a bloke had they got six weeks suspension
of luck at over.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Someone.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Oh he's such a nice bloke. Well mate, you've lost.
You won your first two series as coach, you've lost
last series. You picked the side that we all expecting.
So I was win thirteen plus luckily thee didn't play well.
You go on in another game if you lose this
second series, is that meaning going to get sacked because
Kevin Wald's got sacked up the two series losses and
he only coached for Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I mean that's personal. Yes, there's no there's no other
way to look at that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, I think so. I think so, and you are
right Jellmy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean I like Aaron woods He was an excellent
stalwart for the New South Wales Blues and the West
Tigers and the Canterbury Bulldogs during his playing career. But
part of your role when you are a commentator and
get we feel this pressure as well, is to make
pretty strong statements to get traction and to get eyes
on you and to get followers and to build the
(16:36):
narrative around certain games. So Woodsy has completely lent in there.
Did he cross the line?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I think so? And I think you and I we
play in this world. I'm primarily a sports commentator. You
obviously we work in sport here, but obviously you work
across other things as well. And I think we are
seeing more more than ever because of the saturation in
the marks of people having hot takes on sport, this
(17:04):
need to one up or be better. And also I
would say having a lens across American sport. You've got
Steven a Smith who's literally at war with Lebrones and
the two of them are talking about the fact that
they would have a punch up and that's all adds
to the fodder. So I think there's this idea that
you can be antagonistic and there's no limit on where
that can be. We've seen that Caine Corns was actually
(17:25):
banned from the North Melbourne rooms and seven weren't allowed
in the room's pregame or post game, which I will
be on the record. From what I've met of Caine personally,
he's only ever been delightful to me. I know that
he works really hard and consumes more footy than anyone.
But what he said about Harry Sheesel essentially stats padding
and he called it sheaesel ball. Once you start applying
(17:47):
personal nicknames to things like grub or sheaesel ball, it
does become immensely personal, and so it gets to a
point where it's like you're just doing your job, but
you're being unkind doing it, and there are going to
be repercussions for that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And I think those repercussions sometimes aren't they're not your intention,
but regardless of that, they kind of become your responsibility
because you have said that, right, Like we don't know.
Like grub for me is a word that I toss
around at the television all the time. It's watching rugby league.
You say grub writting rugby league? Yeah, watching is it
a rugby league? Because I've never said grub in our
(18:26):
In our podcast with Ryan Hoffman, I was like, Queens
Eye needs more grub, like we the sentiment of.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I use the term grub.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I was watching the line kicks and it was Simon
and Pumba looking for some grub. Because I've never thought
about it in any I'm trying to think, I'm like
grub when would I ever?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
And I'm like, they're going to rustle up some grub and.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
You know how they're very see that they look like
that is the only reference because grub isn't necessarily an
AFL T.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's a very rugby league term, right, but there's a
way in which it is used. I use it as
a compliment a lot of times, Like I was calling
for Queensland to be grubby going into the second game
versus the first because I didn't say I didn't see
them showing enough mungrel. Yeah, they didn't have that. They
were missing that little bit of fight where it goes
(19:14):
into different territory there with Woodsy is you know, he
doesn't necessarily know what's going on with Billy Slater right now.
Billy's taken personal issue with that term, because you're right,
it's the pressure cooker. It's just the pressure that keeps
amping up.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
And there was a gap between the statement there by
Aaron Woods and what Billy Slater says here, and so
Billy Slater has had time to consider this response, and
I think you can tell that in what he says.
Let's have a bit of a listen to what Billy
Slater says when he was asked about these comments.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Billy, you've been called a grunt by Aaron Woods.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Were you surprised by that?
Speaker 10 (19:44):
And how did you will see it?
Speaker 11 (19:46):
When you hold a position in the media in our game,
I feel that's a privilege and with that privilege comes
a responsibility. I sit in that position most weeks, and
you amplify your voice to millions of people, you're not
(20:07):
talking to your mates in the public.
Speaker 12 (20:08):
Now.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
I know Aaron Woods. I actually ran into him about
three or four weeks ago at a footy game and
he didn't voice that opinion. Then he actually brought his
son over to introduce him to me. When you degrade
someone personally in a derogatory manner, you probably don't deserve
one of those privileged positions that you were all in.
(20:29):
That we're all in. You don't know what people are
going through, and although I might be able to handle it,
the next person mightn't be. Maybe our last coach didn't.
I believe the character of a person is judged more
on what they say about people and how they treat
people than what an individual says to create attention about someone.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Strong words there, emotional words from Billy Slater. He does
make mention there to former Queensland State of Origin coach
Paul Green, who was a legend of rugby league who
died by suicide a couple of years ago, was suffering
with CT Now Billy has come out since making that
statement and apologize because he didn't mean to draw the
(21:11):
connection between Paul Green's death and potentially poor mental health
based on negative comments in the media. He's made that apology.
Paul Green's family has accepted that. Yes, so we're going
to leave that there. But what that statement from Billy,
it's very strong, very strong, and I think he's well
within his rights to make those comments and make that
(21:34):
response to Woodsy. I mean, we're seeing if you are
going to say something and have your hot take, you
need to be able to take the response to.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And also, for whatever reason, and you and I have
both witnessed this, there's this weird phenomenon that happens with
some people where they will say to a camera something
they would never say if the person was present, Yes,
which for me feels like such a weird phenomenon because
not only that person's normally going to hear, millions of
(22:03):
others might like it's weird that you would be more
las a fair when talking to such an audience, and
perhaps it's because they don't connect with I often find
people get more nervous in a room of a thousand
people than talking down a barrel where there'll be a
million there. Yes, Like there's a different energy about it,
and you watch your words differently. So that's a bit
that got meet the fact that he's like, well, he
(22:24):
obviously doesn't think I'm a grub, to the point where
he goes and gets his son yes and says, come
and meet the great Billy Slater. And I think the
other thing is he took on everyone's favorite song.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Everyone loves Billy Slater.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's true. It's very very true, including new South Welshman
like friend of the Pot Ryan Hoffman. I mean, he
was very, very obvious on the pod about how much
he loves Billy Slater. In light of his former teammate
Aaron Woods's comments, he took to Instagram and said, I
get it, it's origin and being a blue we hate Queensland,
but this is a rubbish take by Woodsey. One hundred
(22:57):
percent question Bill selections his tactics, et cetera, but call
on mc grubb is just rubbish clickbait.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Billy's later it was also in his bridal party. There's
probably that later you're taken on one of mine.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I wear blue, but he's my own. But you still
can't take on Billy.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And I think so I post I re shared that
clip of Billy because I deeply feel that if you
are going to be a media exactly what he said
there's a responsibility and a privilege to it where you,
I think, need to permeate a way that you hope
your kids would talk. Yeah, in the same way that
we say to athletes, whether you like it or not,
(23:35):
people look up to you, whether you like it or not,
kids in particular, but people consume the way that you talk.
And there is a way that you can be critical
and very strong in your criticism, but not be personal
and unkind.
Speaker 13 (23:49):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And I feel like the personal and unkind is the
ones that blow up. It's that shock jock factor.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's also driven by the media as well, though Billy
is only saying that because he's been directly asked the media.
He's not there calling that press conference here he had
to take on Aaron.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You're telling me Channel seven don't love Cane Corns for
taking hot takes. Yes, that's why he's in that pass.
But that's why they have a job as well. Exactly,
they are doing their job. Yeah, and we see that
on a larger scale again, used terms shock jock. There's
a million faces that come to mind that have done
so well in media by having those extreme takes. And
for mine, I'm like, I wonder how much you actually
(24:24):
believe in your extreme take or you want to just
lean into the caricatur.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
But I think in this circumstance, when we're talking about
comments in sports media, there has to be a level
of responsibility to it. And bizarrely this has all led
to a galvanizing of the morons going. And you heard
that there with Munster essentially going. You took on one
of ours and so I wanted to play for my coach.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, yeah, And he had wonderful words to say in
the post match press conference backing that up.
Speaker 10 (24:50):
Okay, I've heard you interviewed after the game on the fields,
but quite emotionally, we have doing it for a billion
sort of the what he's made to the last forty
eight hours and the pressure have the last few games.
What do it means to you played with him being
coached by him? How much did that galvanize the team?
Speaker 12 (25:05):
Yeah, when we've got jabs or blokes in the media,
having got your coach and like, at the end of
the day, he's he's our coach and he's done everything
he can and tick the boxes for us, and we
didn't perform for him in Game one and he got
a lot of sluck for it and a lot of
stuff in the media, and he didn't deserve it. And
I played with Bill, he's a champion player and champion coach.
And when I've had a great relationship with him and
(25:27):
still do and we're better, like we're probably almost really
close mates. And when you have someone Javinati like that,
it really hurts. It hurts me personally, and I'm never
tell him that, but now I'm probably telling him now,
and I love him.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
And what does it mean to hear that belly that
support from teams?
Speaker 7 (25:40):
It has been an event for twenty four hours for you,
like how they reconciled it.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
And he's ever said to me, no, like it, Like
I don't know, Like I know the game, I'm in
the game.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I understand it.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
Sometimes you know, heeds to get pushed to the boundary,
but like, like it hasn't it hasn't influenced how I
look at myself and who I am as a person,
Like I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Very comfortable question without notice before we wrap up, because
we could talk at length even further about this. Do
you think that the life of a shock jock and
your success is a shock jock is predetermined by you
being a man. I think it's also gendered one. We
(26:32):
don't see very many women in this space anyway to
be able to be afforded to have a hot take.
But I think for us.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Say that again, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Think that there is not enough women in this industry
that have the platform to be able to have these
hot takes and have no repercussions.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Are you implying that there's a sports entertainment network that
don't have a single female host?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, but all they do is talk about sport and
not even on their overnight shift even their specialists in wine,
which they have one.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, and I say this, I love is ye and
I listen all the time, but it blows my mind
that there is not a single female host.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, but there's also reason like even if.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
There was, because the vitriol that would come for them
for having a hot take is so different than if
it was a bloke.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It's not you have to think of every single second
of the day that you are broadcasting. This is the
life that we live. It's me I could be here
with a full critical analysis with PowerPoint slides about Nathan
Cleary's left side step and I would get somebody, you
don't even know the game? Did you even play? How
(27:41):
would you know? I know, Like it's just I can't
have hot takes because I'm not allowed to. Yeah, that
is something that I think this conversation is also missing.
You can build these narratives, you can have this whole
whirlpool of vitriol and all of this potentially just putting
it out there. If there were more female voices in here,
(28:02):
we may not see such a fallout.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
My problem is I live in this space, but my
want to keep my own peace and not deal with
the vitriol that comes with having a hot take has
mellowed me enormously, and that I love creating a platform
for people like Ryan Hoffman to go off, but even
if I enormously agree with him, I almost won't going
(28:26):
hard afterwards unless it's in this format with you. Yes,
I don't feel like I can be my earnest self
still in sport without feeling like the ton of bricks
will fall on you. So I do think there is
definitely that gendered thing that blokes can go really harder
on this and we can't because we never played the game,
(28:49):
which they never say about Jared Whiteley.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I can talk about Reyes Walsh getting his head chopped
off in an Origin game and maybe probably not the
best look when it comes to CTA and everything we're
doing with concussion.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Or decigning to get punched in the head.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, and I will have hundreds of comments being like,
you don't even like rugby league? Sorry? What what?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And the sad thing is we're still there, and I
think it takes us to be more vocal about it.
But that's why we've created this space. And the really
nice thing for me is that we and for us
is that we created two good sports because it's the
space that we wished existed when we were getting into
sports media. And by just being ourselves, of which I've
(29:35):
directly had bosses tell me that I need to temper
my interest to be more palatable to a male audience
to be taken seriously.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I e.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
If you post about fashion and makeup, no one's going
to believe that you know anything about sport. Direct quote
that a conversation that happened with me with a boss.
We by just being ourselves get the Prime Minister to
come in.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
That's right, because.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
There are people that I don't know their hobbies don't
have to include golf and dark liquor in order to
know anything about sport. And I think hopefully the audience
is pivoting that way. But I think when you see
these overt hot takes, you can have them and still
be kind. And I think, dare I say it, there
(30:17):
is a gendering where women are better at doing that?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, yeah, there is, there is, and they'll do it
in a way and still be called dramatic. And I'm like,
if you think that that could potentially be dramatic, let's
just rewind every single grab that we have played on
this episode.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
If women did this, it would be labeled to cat fight.
Oh yeah, yeah, cat fight between former play Imagine if
this was the Tillies, oh.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
One hundred percent, one hundred percent, it would be And look,
that's not necessarily what this episode is about, but I
think that it's a very very valid point that we raise, and.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
If we don't raise it, no one else will.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
No one else will, but Queensland heading to a decider.
That is the takeaway?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Is that the fun fact?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
No, oh my gosh, yes, fun fact. This is a
complete deviation and I am so excited to hear well,
really see your reaction to my fun fact, I've gone
absolutely rogue, dear listener, in a surprise to no one. Okay,
fun fact. Did you know that Locke Neil and I
might be the same person? Have we been in the
(31:24):
same room together? No? Not yet. We both love the
Brisbane lines. Last time I checked, we both had multiple
brand Loow medals to our name, and I've just found
out we have the same pop culture icon' Locky favorite
TV character of all time?
Speaker 8 (31:45):
Ash from Pokemon Peak a Pokemon guy.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He goes, who is your favorite television character of all time?
Without blinking, Locky Neil aka Georgie Tunney goes Ash from
Pokemon Are you joking? No one will ever say that
except for me. That's so true. No one would ever
say that. What what Lucky Neil, sir? Come on the
(32:12):
podcast or can you we're the same person? I don't know.
Have you been here the whole time?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
HOWE come on?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
So arguably one of the greatest players to ever and
to you know what, if not for Patrick Kipps getting
off that high hit that then meant that he won
a brown Low.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He's a three time brown Low medalist.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Locking Neil he's only one two, but he could have
potentially won three. So one of the greatest players of
all time. And your argument is you must be the
same person because you'll like the same anime. Yeah, okay, yeah,
I just really wanted to clear that up. Locking Neil
and his partner Jules, who's a legend. I'm sure that
we could get him on the pod.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I mean, if you want to call it a hot take,
I'm happy to.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
All Right, we're getting on him.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Should we better go until next week?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Be a great sport?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
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