March 25, 2024 • 33 mins
Tasmania has been crying out for an AFL team to call their own for decades. Fans had to watch on as expansion teams were added to the competition, while Tassie was ignored. But Tasmania's football roots run deep and the fans never lost hope. They were finally awarded the AFL’s 19th licence last year. And now, the club has a name: Tasmania Devils will enter the league in 2028. There's just the small problem of building a brand new stadium.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to do good sports sports news
told differently.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm Georgie Tune and I'm Abbe Jelmy, and I'd like
to start this episode first because Georgie is going to
beat me. Because if you've just been anywhere near your
television this week, you'd see Georgie rubbing shoulders with the elite.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Of the elite of the F one world.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So if you're looking for your place and your hot
take on anything to do with Formula one, two.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Good Sports is your place. So I'm going to start.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Off with my good sport being Victoria and just generally
fans of Formula one, because.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I just feel like it's been.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's everything that it could have been for so long,
and thank you Drive to Survive for being what it was.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look at you giving Victoria a plug. Our listeners will know.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That usually you're there being like, goh, it's so cold.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, I just think there's something really cool about the
way that this sport that was once one of the
ultimate gate keeping.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Sports has permeated.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
All culture and people are talking about it, and we
have to give it to Carlos Signs the fact that
he had his appendix out.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Have you had appendicitis?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I have not had appendicitis.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I am one of those people that I stub my
toe and I genuinely consider calling an air ambulance. So
I don't think i'd actually do very well with appendicitis,
let alone be able to back up in two weeks
and win a Grand Prix.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I have had it out, and I can't really remember. Yeah,
I had a pendicitis when I was twelve, but I
remember being angry because it was Telethon, which is our
good Friday appeal in Perth, and I missed the home
and Away celebrities like one minute, and I was filthy.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Sorry. I was not thrilled. I was not thrilled about
the way that things are panning out for me. Full circle.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Now I've done Telethon a few times. You'd be quite enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you think you could have popped into an F
one car a really good race without your appendix?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, I'd probably back myself in, But that's the
great thing.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Carlor signs he has just been a media dream after this,
essentially saying I recommend that all drivers get their appendix out.
But also after winning the Australian Grand Brix, he's like,
I'm also jobless next year.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Because of the trade with Ferrari.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And we know that Lewis Hamilton's taking his seat, So
he's like, anyone want to hire a driver if you
give me a good car, I'm capable.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
In all seriousness, surely he is now like front runner
for that Mercedes seat, that open Mercedes seat.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
He has to be is the hot girl at the
bar and he's just sitting there going I'm just gonna
have to swat away suitors soon, gonna have to swat
them away.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But hey, he's got the eye. There's a good reason why.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I've led this, because Georgie, you've had a week. Who
is your good sport?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I could have potentially had a bad sport now good sport,
bad sports section.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But I couldn't because what a week.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I've had only good sports everywhere, ultimate good sport.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Though.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yes I interviewed Daniel Ricardo, Yes I interviewed Max Fstappen
in Humble Brags, but I got to spend fifteen minutes
with Alex Albon who is the Williams driver, and challenge
him to a car race, and he is my good
sport because he was excited from the moment that I
suggested the crazy idea and it was a remote control
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car race we should specify. So we were in an
empty function room and I had put a chair on
the other side of the room and I was like, Alex,
We're just going to go around the chair and come
back first. One back wins, and he goes, what if
I lap you? And I was like, it's this.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
One lap, like I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't think I think you can lap me. Technically
it's only one lap. He did lap me. Plot twist,
he did lap me. I at one stage was doing
so badly I thought that my car was broken and
I said it's broken, and he ripped the controls out
of my hand and then proceeded to drive my car
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completely find super super fast, as though nothing was wrong
with it. And he told me that I was the
worst driver he had ever seen and that if anyone
else on the grid drove like me on the weekend,
he would be winning the Australian Grand Prix.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Georgie, describe your driving abilities behind a normal vehicle to
the listener.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I invite me to go. I can.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I may may have run into a poll once and
everyone said, how have you done this?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I was turning left.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It came out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
George is driving as someone who's quite often been shotgun
is dubious at best, terrifying at worst.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And you best believe I freaking took Alex Albon out
Deny in the remote control.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Car the first turn. It was me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It was my bad, but he's my ultimate good sport
because he just made it so so fun.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I'm going to give a very quick bad sport to
the review system in the AFL if we have one
more review for the ball being out of it like
it's like umpire's got terrified this weekend, and I get it,
there's been some howlers, but my goodness, may let the
game play.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
We need no chip technology because it's killing me.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
With Ossie rules.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I don't quite understand everyone's fascination with like, oh my god,
it's out. Whenever they do those fancy little prancing runs
along the boundary, the ball is always out, and everyone's
like it's crazy that he kept that in.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He didn't. It's never in.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Did you just say prance?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He did say prancing. They do their prance, they prance around.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay, I'm going to challenge that on many levels. Sometimes
the ball is in a lot of the times it
is out. But there was some howlers on the weekend
that then resulted in the first quarter in Adelaide. I've
just never known there to be so many reviews, so
much so that BT was like, well, there's is remarkable
and not in a good way anyway, that's my bad sport,
Like you either get the chip technology or just let
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the game go or go except there's gonna be errors
because please stop stopping my game.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Let's get to our deep dive because it is putty related,
so let's get into it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
The concept of an AFL team in Tazzi jelmy. Look,
it has been a talking point among forty fans for
actual decades, like we are not exaggerating that decades. Ever
since the old Victorian Football League went national in the
late eighties, there have been calls for a team in Tasmania.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Our friends in the Apple Aisle had to watch on
as Brisbane West Coast Adelaide and Perth clubs all joined
the competition.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
By the time the Gold Coast Consulting and.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Gw Wes were handed their expansion licenses over ten years ago,
they were riots. Yeah, they even had to watch on
as Victorian clubs played their home games in the fair State.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But they never lost hope.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
They never lost hope, and finally they were rewarded on
the second of May twenty twenty three, when officially the
AFL's nineteenth license was given to a Tasmanian team. And now,
as of most recently, we have a name, we have colors,
we have branding, and the team will be the Tasmania Devils.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
What we don't have are any players, a stadium, a CEO,
or a general idea of how this thing's going to
get off the ground. But my gosh, do we have
a license. And the thing that's been making news this
week is one hundred and fifty thousand founding members.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes, so they announced the team only like what was
it last week? Yeah, they announced that they were going
to be called the Tasmania Devils, and they said you
can get for ten dollars, you can sign up and
you can become a foundation member. We will put your
name somewhere on the stadium if we get one and
a bumper sticker and a bumper sticker. So it's not
actually membership signing up for you to sit in a seat.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
That's not what this is.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
As opposed to Collingwood West Coast Richmond that have one
hundred thousand members yet are vying to be seated largely
but still.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
One hundred and fifty thousand, their aim was forty thousand
by October.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The grand plan was, if we can get forty thousand
people to put support behind this team g it'll be
a huge showing. Yes for a stadium that we're hoping
has a roof, And by that I mean Andrew Dylan's like, no.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
No, must must have a roof.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, and twenty two thousand, which I think is a
great number. I think you absolutely really yes.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh we're going to fight. I think this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So the license for the Tasmania Devils was conditional on
the government, so it was a liberal government made the
deal with the AFL saying that yes, you can have
this license, but you need to construct a twenty three
thousand seat stadium with a roof.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yes, I think that a.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Twenty three thousand seat stadium. What is the point of it.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The reason why I said it was a great number
is in opening round I went up and was there
at Giants Stadium when they took on Collingwood. Oh yes,
and it was the clubs. I think it was in
their top five highest crowds I've ever played in front of.
It was twenty one thousand, okay, and this was them
taking on the raining premiers in the opening round and
there could not have been more pump up for it
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and the stadium itself, while there were empty seats out
at Home Bush, or as Mason Cox calls it, the showgrounds,
of which they then put up a petting zoo.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Stunning, stunning, stunning.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
The Giants social media team just give yourself, I hope
you giving yourself some bloody collaps on the back.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
He's a star.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I just think I'm comparing it to football in a
non footballing state, whereas Tasmania, we know is a footballing state.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Is a footballing stag.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I am looking at it from a scope of
it being a very controversial move for locals. The stadium
will cost about more than seven hundred million dollars right,
and the state government is probably going to have to
cough up at least half of that and then however
else they sought out the funds. But that is a
lot of money, a lot of money for a twenty
three thousand seat stadium that, as far as I know,
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can only really be used in this context. If you
want to get a Matilda's game and you want to
have it played down there twenty three thousand six, they
wouldn't bother yea would yes?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Three more they're going to use it for rather purposes.
That's part of the a twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Three thousands too little for that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like if you know, if you're going to have a
touring act, what Pink's going to go there?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, Pink's not going to go there. I mean tell
us we've certainly not going to go there.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Like if you if you tell us she's as babe,
have you she's got fifty trucks to move, she's on Tuesdays. Yes,
But because Brisbane has fifty two and a half thousand,
that's not enough. So I don't know, I just think
that it needs to be at least and I'm going
to sound hypocritical here because it doesn't sound that much more.
It needs to be at least thirty thousand so that
you can have it be attractive to other things, so
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that it can pave the way and pay for itself eventually.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But then it's only more expensive, which makes people more angry.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
True, that is true, but they're already angry. They're already angry.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
All right.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's get to the backstory of the history of football
before we get to the politics, because we've delved into
the politics early. But footy has been played in Tasmania
for around one hundred and fifty years, if so long
as there's been a Sharon some variety, they've played it on.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
The island state.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And you, Jeremy, you grew up with Ozzie rules more
so than me.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Massively.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Has Tasmania always been in the conversation? Have they always
been there being like we'd love it? Please, please please.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Look look at us, Look at us. Team team for us.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I mean, I don't know if they're screams for a
team made it across another water where I was growing
up in Western Australia, to be honest, but I do
know they are a very strong footballing state and we
know that from the pedigree of players that have come
through Matthew Richardson, who I've spoken to at length about
this and how much it would mean for him. We
know that Jack Reewolt has retired and taken an ambassadorship
type role with Tasmania say nailing it as well. He
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is everywhere, so well, he is everywhere. And also Nick
Riewolt his cousin famous name's Alista Lynch. So because link
exactly one of yours. You've seen so many stars come
out of Tasmania because they it's what they play growing up.
They play cricket hoping to be Ricky Ponting's. They punch up.
They really do punch up. Because if you go anywhere
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near Loncester and they're like do you know, I'm like, yes,
Ricky Ponting's from here, thanks for coming. But the earliest
bid for an AFL team in TASMANI was made.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
This blew my mind nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
They were like, God, before you and I were even specs.
They were like, come on, let us have a go.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And in that time we've seen the Suns no comment
and the Giants be added to this Tim Well actually
probably more than that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Eight formal proposals were put for between nineteen ninety two
and twenty twenty three. They're now successful. Bid has been
in the work for several years. In November twenty twenty two,
the Taz government and the AFL reached and in principal agreement.
I love those words on the commercial terms for the
nineteenth alliances. Now they knew they were getting warmed. Then
in twenty twenty two, the Taz government's funding committed to
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include twelve million dollars per year over twelve years, plus
sixty million towards a high performance and administration complex. So essentially,
the AFL said, you on a team. There's plenty of
other states that want a team. What are you going
to do for it? And the Tazi government has had
to kill keep saying we will provide.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
You want a stadium, We're gonna build the stadium.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
So it's not the AFL necessarily going we're desperate to
have a team in Tasmania. It's Tasmania saying, look what
will provide if you grant us this license.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Also, you think about you know, the saying try try
try again.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
This is try try, try, try, try, try, try try again.
I've lost count but try by seven and then another
try again.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Sounds like the Panthers in the final. What I'm sorry, sorry, Tasmania.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let's just sorry, I'm bleeding out the air ambulance again.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Before she kicks me under the desk.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But TASA Tasmania will be represented in both the AFL
and AFLW competitions, and we saw the presentation this week
of the guernsey which highly highly reflects back to their
state Guernsy with the map and apparently now Jack Rewat's
been going out to all the schools and different clubs
and has his finger on the pulse apparently of what
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people wanted and for Tasmanian football supporters, the map and
the colors that we saw in the red, the yellow,
the green really strongly mean a lot to football fans
in Tasmania and it makes sense in that those colors
are what they've affiliated Tasmanian football with. But something that
they didn't harp on enough I feel is that it's
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their foundation jumper. This is not their home nor away jumper.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yes, which can I just be very very frank did
I send? When I saw this jersey? It gave me
hope actually that this was just the heritage jumper, their
foundation jumper, and they wouldn't have to wear this in
actual competition come twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
But I feel like the jumper itself should have had
asterisk on it.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Should have it should have been It would have made
more sense than the actual jumper, because when we first
saw it, did I send you and producer James a
note saying, hang on a second, does that tea look
like fallopian trees.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
To anyone else?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Because I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, it's
not that far of a leap.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Look up, you're you're not the only one who said it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Also, if it's not filopian tubes, it's a bloody four
and twenty pie with.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Sauce on it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So they should be the ignor inaugural sponsors of this team,
because what why is it? The yellow the perfect pastry color,
and then you've got tomato sauce and then it's sitting
in a green.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Field like what what? So I'm not a fan of
the guernsey.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I'm so sorry everyone and the millions of dollars that
you've already spent in getting that heritage.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Jersey, and I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I am so intrigued to see if they take on
the feedback of everyone going eh.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Also just the positioning of it. That's where the filopian
tubes would be.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like, you've got to think about this. I'm like, what
for the afl W and the AFH Like what oh goodness? Anyway,
I did.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Like they the mascot.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I just wonder if they had anyone like you and
their board meeting that would be willing to go, guys,
anyone see the female reproductive system?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Or do I need a coffee break? But what we
do know.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
This is why we need more women in sports.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
What we do know is they finally revealed and it
was the big build up.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
What is this team going to be called?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And they are called the Tasmania Devils And this had
been a story for the better part of three years.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
At first I wasn't I wasn't a massive fan on
calling them the Devils.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Well, I know it makes all of the sense, all of.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
The what else are they going to be? The jack
jumpers that take it? I know?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, the jack Jumpers is the best name, the
best name in sport.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But because the Melbourne Demons, you already have a devilish
character in the Demons.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
So and I can, I mean, I can. Look, I've accepted.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I have not thought of that parallel, and that's valid
because if you're not going to have Warner Brothers Tazzy
Devil as your mascot, which you won't be able to
and we'll get into, how else are you going to represent?
Is it going to be like a really angry looking possum.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It does look like an angry possum. It does look
like an angry pos them, but just and I can
see it now, I've accepted it. I've accepted that the
Tasmanian Devils makes so much sense, and that you know
it is a marketer's dream because you can be like,
you know, Hellish Clash, you know the I and I
just say, I want to copyright this right now. But
anyone who is involved in this team, if you are
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not already planning your marketing promotional materials, when these players
finally kick a goal and it is not cruel summer,
he looks up Grinnin like a devil, Fire yourselves, fire?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Where is your brain?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Go?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Can you imagine the first goal for Tasmania straight through
the sticks? You're hoping it's your pinut player and he
just starts smiling, and then you just put that on
every single billboard.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
He looks up grinnin like a devil. You're welcome, world,
you are welcome.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm willing to wager everything I have that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I don't know how to begin to tell.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You, but let me take you on a bit of
a germ of why this was such a story.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But don't we talk more about the marketing and promotion?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Absolutely, I think we're done here, and that is why
we're very different on two good sports. But Tasmania's VFL
program used the Devil's name from two thousand and one
to two thousand and eight. It was revived in twenty eighteen,
meaning every Tasmanian football team from under twelves boys and
girls to the tac Cup and senior men and women's
sides were known as the Tasmania Devils. Now, the problem
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is Warner Brothers has Tazzi Devil and Tasmanian Devil as
a trademark.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
That little thing that spins round because the.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Devil they took on bugs Bunny and they thought we
need a devil from down under that no one really
knows so of course we all know the Tazzi Devil,
the cartoon. And the problem with trademark is it covers
a lot of things that you want to put a
football logo on, lunchboxes, backpacks, t shirts, they own Tazzy Devils.
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And the bit about this that made me laugh so
hard is that you had executives at the launch where
they've said our team is called the Tasmania Devils, and
this is a genuine quote. Once Warner Brothers became aware
that the Tasmanian Devil is the legitimate name of the
animal from the island in Australia, their claims kind of
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fell apart because genuinely Warner Brothers thought there must be
another name. The nickname of this animal is the Tazzi Devil. Yeah, no, no, no,
it is Australia, mate, Australian.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
It's called Tasmanian Devil. I don't know why I said that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I love that you're Australian trying to do an Australian accent,
but you have one because you are Australian. But basically
what you're saying is that Warner Brothers.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Said no, and we said animal, and they've gone, oh shit,
it's real.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
It's not the most American thing. I'm assuming that they're
American execs. Isn't the most American thing that could ever
have happened.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
It's like them having their world series when they're the
only ones that compete.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's like, guys, actually, okay, whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
US geniuses thought up this mythical creature that is the
Tasmanian chexnotes or actual.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Was there was there one Australian at Warner Brothers that
was like, guys, this idea the Tasmanian Devil, and they're like,
you just thought that up?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And he's gone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, I made it up like some bloke in the
early eighties has just gone yeah yeah, definitely not a
thing my brain.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I'll take all the credits.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So anyway, yeah, anyway, it's basically what no money has
exchanged hands. The two parties have come to a mutual
agreement and shared ip around the name. So you're both
going to be able to buy a Warner Brothers Tazzi
Devil on.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
A lunchbox and then one that represents.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The team that is going to be in the AFL
and we say is going to be in the AFL, it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Says, let's put that bring the astroisk back.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Well, there are so many caveats, and those being the
launch day is the start of the twenty twenty eight season,
which we are in twenty twenty four. The must have
for the AFL is a stadium. And my favorite part
about this is it must have a roof.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
As someone who has done a lot of cricket cricket
summer sport in Tasmania out of Hobart and Lonceston, it
gets cold, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It does need one.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yes, I think that there has to be a roof
because it does get freezing cold and of course that's
going to ramp up costs. But what makes this even
more contentious right now is that we've just had an
election in Tasmania, a state election.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
It is still on.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We're still having seats, we decided as we go to air.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So it looks like the Liberal government will retain a
minority government so they will still be in charge. They
are the ones that have broken this deal with the
AFL to have the roof stadium, and how with.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
The deal to agree to a stadium, which has led
to the license and the announcement because there is an
agreement and not a gentleman's agreement in writing.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yes, that this will be provided things have.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Been assigned, there have been legit handshakes.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So the thing that makes this so very interesting is
that a minority government means that there are certain independents
at play that then now have a very very very
big role in different things that happen, anything that tries
to go through the Parliament or their parliament. And my
favorite part of this is that the Liberal government they
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called this election early because they were trying to secure
a majority government because they weren't sure if they were
going to be able to do that in a year's time.
Now that did not happen, they will still have government.
But it also means that Jackie Lamby and the Jackie
Lamby Network, an independent senator there in Tasmania herself.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And you don't know Jackie Lamby. As soon as we
play what we're about to play, you'll go, oh, yeah,
I know her. And you have to know she is
one of the most famous politicians in the country.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yes, yes, you would one thousand percent know her. She
has very very strong opinions on things, including a roofed stadium.
Now the Liberal government they were like, yes, we've got this,
but because they have minority, it may not be so
simple for them to pass laws and decrees, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
And the Labour's government argument heading into this election was
we're pro the team. Don't get us wrong, we're pro
Tasmania having a team. We would look to renegotiate the stadium. Yes, yes,
and the AFL going well, no, you wouldn't, No, you wouldn't.
And all of this is happening, but there's been a
launch and we're waiting to see how the seat's fall
with all of this unknown seats of the stadium and
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the seats in Parliament. But also why Jackie Lamby is
so important is because her and her senators may actually
end up with the deciding votes.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And she has a loud voice.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And this is what she thinks a very strong message.
Shall we say to the AFL CEO Andrew.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Dillon, if Andrew Dyllon want to touch on what it's
like in Tasmania, Hey mate, I'll.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Put you out for a few weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Come and have a look in my backyard in Bernie
on the northwest coast, and then you might get a
blodre you're able to check mate because we can't afford
it in Tasmania and that's it, end of story. We'd
love one, I can tell you, but I'll tell you
we're not as rich as what they are in Western Australia.
We don't have all that resources, money coming into us,
all that sort of stuff, and we have so many
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issues going on in Tasmania where they have to be
prioritized over a stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And it's as simple as that.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
We are seeing this.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Firstly, she's so great, so great, love more against.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
She is incredible for politics because you never die wondering.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What genuinely I have met Jackie, and I genuinely think
that she really does.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Care absolutely, and what she's caring about is seven hundred
and fifteen million being the supposed cost. Yes, and I
say supposed stadiums blow out.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Especially if you make it increase the capacity of the
venue as I'm calling on them to do, it's going
to blow out even more.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Stadiums blowout, timelines blow out, and when stadiums blow out
is to the tune of hundreds of millions. And as
Jackie Lamby's saying, we have really massive issues and the
thing is Australia wide, we have the word crisis is
used to apply to most things in our lives. There
is the cost of living crisis. There is a youth
crime crisis. There is crisis everywhere. And basically, tax payers
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when it comes to an election, don't want a shiny
new stadium. They want the price of potatoes to come down.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yes, and also because we are hit by those personal crises, yes,
but the governments and state governments they're also feeling those effects.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
They have that as well.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And it's not just Tasmania. We've seen this week that
the Queensland government are renegging on their bid to try
to updo the stadium for the Olympics. Oh thing, but
that's to the cost of three point four billion dollars.
And essentially any government that advocates for a massive spend
on a new stadium that long term will bring joy
is losing elections because people want immediate relief.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
But how the Liberal government, if indeed you know what
we think is going to happen and they retain power
a minority government and the AFL, what they need to
do is switch the conversation and get it focused more
on not on how much is going to cost, but
how much they are investing and how much that investment
will make them in the future because they are investing
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in jobs they are.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Even the construction will take so much work.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I've seen some figures and it's like it could bring
in two billion dollars, this team, this stadium, all of
this for the state. So they really need to switch
that narrative so that becomes the focus. Because everyone in
Tasmania does want a football team. They want the Devils.
They want it to be a success. They want someone
that they can barrack for every single week that's going
to play at home.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
They might need to extend the stadium so there's a
wall tall enough to fit the one hundred and fifty
thousand names of the founding members.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's more money.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Such has been the vote of confidence behind this, so
we know that people desperately want it. But I just think,
and we're seeing this across the board in sport, we're
still having conversations about how this is going to happen.
When it's going to happen. When we're a few short
years out from when the launch date is. Yeah, four
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years is such a tight time to build a stadium.
And you've still got to get it approved through all
the processes. If this doesn't get approved quickly, it's really
hard to see it finished in time well.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And also if it's not ready to go by twenty
twenty nine, So the team exists in twenty twenty eight,
they're running out and they'll be splitting their home games
between a number of venues, including bell Reef. But if
it's not done by twenty twenty nine, which is when
we are meant to have this roofed stadium with twenty
three thousand people, that Tasmanian government is going to have
to pay four and a half million dollars per season
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that the new stadium isn't ready by, So that's just
the tax for the stadium not even being there, not
being ready with all of these delays.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
If that happens, and meanwhile, they need to attract bumper talent,
the system is going to be that they will get
a lot of high draft picks, but they will need
to trade those to other clubs to get senior players.
So instead of what we saw with the Sons potentially
where they got these high draft picks and these stars
and these young players went up there played for a
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few years established themselves and as soon as they could
return to Melbourne. So it was this breeding ground of
talent where they got paid incredible money to play in
a non faobailing state. Yes, but they wanted to be
in front of the big crowds. They're now suggesting the
opposite in that get an established champion to come down
for the twilight years of their career, get remunerated really well.
But be a leader of the club is the way
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the system's going. And there's also talks of Brendan Gale
potentially being the new CEO, which he is just such
a star administrator it would be a massive coup if
they actually had someone like him to represent the club.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I think that he will go down there.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think that that will happen, so that that would
be a massive win for the Devil.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
It's starting to look very Richmond.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well between rich and Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
But what I actually think they need to do is
not look to Richmond. They need to look to another code,
which is the NBA and just look at what the
jack Jumpers have done flo follow that.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
If not the Filopian tubes, what would you like to
see on the front of it? Are you just pop
shotting off, you've got ideas of what you'd like to
see on the gurzi.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I like the green. I think the green is great.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Green, yellow and red's not complimentary for anyone.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
No, it really isn't what I would just like, why
can't it just be green with like little yellow trim
on the sleeves.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
And then I know that very Australiana.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I know, but I know Bamba's fans won't like this.
But then you take the red sash, the red.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Sash or even just a red V, and then you
can have the little V for vics.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No, but why is that?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
What it is?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The V?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
What Victorian's own like that design?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Come on, if you just had that like a V there,
and then you had the little tazzy logo that they've
got the frustrated possum whatever you said it was. And
if you just had that, that's way better than fillopian tubes.
And then you could have the outline the outline of
Tasmania on the back with the number You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I've solved again. It solved it again.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
The frustrated Possums coming to a stadium with a roof
in a year, hopefully, in twenty twenty eight. George, Yes,
fun fact time. And when I saw this one, I said, George,
you don't look it's mine. I've not looked at it.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
It's mine.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I've not looked.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
State of origin as a concept actually comes from Australian
rules football.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It does, though, despite being synonymous with rugby league. State
of origin in Australian rules dates back to the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It really does.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So. Rugby league series that we know today between Queensland
and New South Wales, your beloved Morons Roots was first
played in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
What a time.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I wasn't alive, but what a time.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So Ossie Rules first hosted state representative matches in eighteen
seventy nine. So in terms of what in terms of
a gap, there's quite a large margin in which the
the concept that rugby league fans go, oh yeah, I
mean Ozzie Rules. It's all right, but you don't have
state of origin. We had it first, bitches, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
But what happened to it? What happened to it? How
you've dropped You've dropped the absolute ball here?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
How could you have had such a strong concept, proven
strong concept from rugby league and absolutely set it on
fire in Ossie Rules. Also, why did they even come
up with that concept? Because Ossie Rules was like, literally,
this is this is the problem.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
This is the problem.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It is so for a national game only Victoria cares
about it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Wow and Tasmania okay and w wow.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I was about to say and South Australia and Sydney
going quite.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Half of New South Wales and half of Queensland other
than that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So essentially, as we know, the AFL used to be
the VFL, so it was very Victorian central.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
But the expansion of the competition.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Who were the state?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
The problem with state of origin? When would you play
it in AFL Middle of the Sea wouldn't happen? Why
because of the injuries they play rugby league. Yeah, but
you'd also have to have players from like more. You
couldn't just have two states.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You can have the VICTI and this is and this
is where this is where the AFL has down.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We did necessarily have VIX and all stars, but it
was also hard.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
They then it became the EJ. Whitten Game.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that a celebrity game?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yes? Roberts playing that of course? Yes. Anyway, fun fact
you al most love product. We thought of it first.
You just do it better. We can. We can we
make peace at that with our product. You do it better.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to do good sports sports news
told differently.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm Georgie Tune and I'm Abbe Jelmy, and I'd like
to start this episode first because Georgie is going to
beat me. Because if you've just been anywhere near your
television this week, you'd see Georgie rubbing shoulders with the elite.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Of the elite of the F one world.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So if you're looking for your place and your hot
take on anything to do with Formula one, two.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Good Sports is your place. So I'm going to start.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Off with my good sport being Victoria and just generally
fans of Formula one, because.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I just feel like it's been.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's everything that it could have been for so long,
and thank you Drive to Survive for being what it was.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look at you giving Victoria a plug. Our listeners will know.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That usually you're there being like, goh, it's so cold.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, I just think there's something really cool about the
way that this sport that was once one of the
ultimate gate keeping.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Sports has permeated.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
All culture and people are talking about it, and we
have to give it to Carlos Signs the fact that
he had his appendix out.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Have you had appendicitis?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I have not had appendicitis.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I am one of those people that I stub my
toe and I genuinely consider calling an air ambulance. So
I don't think i'd actually do very well with appendicitis,
let alone be able to back up in two weeks
and win a Grand Prix.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I have had it out, and I can't really remember. Yeah,
I had a pendicitis when I was twelve, but I
remember being angry because it was Telethon, which is our
good Friday appeal in Perth, and I missed the home
and Away celebrities like one minute, and I was filthy.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Sorry. I was not thrilled. I was not thrilled about
the way that things are panning out for me. Full circle.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Now I've done Telethon a few times. You'd be quite enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you think you could have popped into an F
one car a really good race without your appendix?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, I'd probably back myself in, But that's the
great thing.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Carlor signs he has just been a media dream after this,
essentially saying I recommend that all drivers get their appendix out.
But also after winning the Australian Grand Brix, he's like,
I'm also jobless next year.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Because of the trade with Ferrari.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And we know that Lewis Hamilton's taking his seat, So
he's like, anyone want to hire a driver if you
give me a good car, I'm capable.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
In all seriousness, surely he is now like front runner
for that Mercedes seat, that open Mercedes seat.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
He has to be is the hot girl at the
bar and he's just sitting there going I'm just gonna
have to swat away suitors soon, gonna have to swat
them away.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But hey, he's got the eye. There's a good reason why.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I've led this, because Georgie, you've had a week. Who
is your good sport?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I could have potentially had a bad sport now good sport,
bad sports section.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But I couldn't because what a week.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I've had only good sports everywhere, ultimate good sport.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Though.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yes I interviewed Daniel Ricardo, Yes I interviewed Max Fstappen
in Humble Brags, but I got to spend fifteen minutes
with Alex Albon who is the Williams driver, and challenge
him to a car race, and he is my good
sport because he was excited from the moment that I
suggested the crazy idea and it was a remote control
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car race we should specify. So we were in an
empty function room and I had put a chair on
the other side of the room and I was like, Alex,
We're just going to go around the chair and come
back first. One back wins, and he goes, what if
I lap you? And I was like, it's this.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
One lap, like I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't think I think you can lap me. Technically
it's only one lap. He did lap me. Plot twist,
he did lap me. I at one stage was doing
so badly I thought that my car was broken and
I said it's broken, and he ripped the controls out
of my hand and then proceeded to drive my car
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completely find super super fast, as though nothing was wrong
with it. And he told me that I was the
worst driver he had ever seen and that if anyone
else on the grid drove like me on the weekend,
he would be winning the Australian Grand Prix.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Georgie, describe your driving abilities behind a normal vehicle to
the listener.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I invite me to go. I can.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I may may have run into a poll once and
everyone said, how have you done this?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I was turning left.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It came out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
George is driving as someone who's quite often been shotgun
is dubious at best, terrifying at worst.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And you best believe I freaking took Alex Albon out
Deny in the remote control.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Car the first turn. It was me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It was my bad, but he's my ultimate good sport
because he just made it so so fun.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I'm going to give a very quick bad sport to
the review system in the AFL if we have one
more review for the ball being out of it like
it's like umpire's got terrified this weekend, and I get it,
there's been some howlers, but my goodness, may let the
game play.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
We need no chip technology because it's killing me.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
With Ossie rules.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I don't quite understand everyone's fascination with like, oh my god,
it's out. Whenever they do those fancy little prancing runs
along the boundary, the ball is always out, and everyone's
like it's crazy that he kept that in.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He didn't. It's never in.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Did you just say prance?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He did say prancing. They do their prance, they prance around.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay, I'm going to challenge that on many levels. Sometimes
the ball is in a lot of the times it
is out. But there was some howlers on the weekend
that then resulted in the first quarter in Adelaide. I've
just never known there to be so many reviews, so
much so that BT was like, well, there's is remarkable
and not in a good way anyway, that's my bad sport,
Like you either get the chip technology or just let
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the game go or go except there's gonna be errors
because please stop stopping my game.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Let's get to our deep dive because it is putty related,
so let's get into it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
The concept of an AFL team in Tazzi jelmy. Look,
it has been a talking point among forty fans for
actual decades, like we are not exaggerating that decades. Ever
since the old Victorian Football League went national in the
late eighties, there have been calls for a team in Tasmania.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Our friends in the Apple Aisle had to watch on
as Brisbane West Coast Adelaide and Perth clubs all joined
the competition.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
By the time the Gold Coast Consulting and.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Gw Wes were handed their expansion licenses over ten years ago,
they were riots. Yeah, they even had to watch on
as Victorian clubs played their home games in the fair State.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But they never lost hope.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
They never lost hope, and finally they were rewarded on
the second of May twenty twenty three, when officially the
AFL's nineteenth license was given to a Tasmanian team. And now,
as of most recently, we have a name, we have colors,
we have branding, and the team will be the Tasmania Devils.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
What we don't have are any players, a stadium, a CEO,
or a general idea of how this thing's going to
get off the ground. But my gosh, do we have
a license. And the thing that's been making news this
week is one hundred and fifty thousand founding members.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes, so they announced the team only like what was
it last week? Yeah, they announced that they were going
to be called the Tasmania Devils, and they said you
can get for ten dollars, you can sign up and
you can become a foundation member. We will put your
name somewhere on the stadium if we get one and
a bumper sticker and a bumper sticker. So it's not
actually membership signing up for you to sit in a seat.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
That's not what this is.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
As opposed to Collingwood West Coast Richmond that have one
hundred thousand members yet are vying to be seated largely
but still.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
One hundred and fifty thousand, their aim was forty thousand
by October.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The grand plan was, if we can get forty thousand
people to put support behind this team g it'll be
a huge showing. Yes for a stadium that we're hoping
has a roof, And by that I mean Andrew Dylan's like, no.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
No, must must have a roof.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, and twenty two thousand, which I think is a
great number. I think you absolutely really yes.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh we're going to fight. I think this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So the license for the Tasmania Devils was conditional on
the government, so it was a liberal government made the
deal with the AFL saying that yes, you can have
this license, but you need to construct a twenty three
thousand seat stadium with a roof.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yes, I think that a.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Twenty three thousand seat stadium. What is the point of it.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The reason why I said it was a great number
is in opening round I went up and was there
at Giants Stadium when they took on Collingwood. Oh yes,
and it was the clubs. I think it was in
their top five highest crowds I've ever played in front of.
It was twenty one thousand, okay, and this was them
taking on the raining premiers in the opening round and
there could not have been more pump up for it
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and the stadium itself, while there were empty seats out
at Home Bush, or as Mason Cox calls it, the showgrounds,
of which they then put up a petting zoo.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Stunning, stunning, stunning.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
The Giants social media team just give yourself, I hope
you giving yourself some bloody collaps on the back.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
He's a star.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I just think I'm comparing it to football in a
non footballing state, whereas Tasmania, we know is a footballing state.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Is a footballing stag.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, I am looking at it from a scope of
it being a very controversial move for locals. The stadium
will cost about more than seven hundred million dollars right,
and the state government is probably going to have to
cough up at least half of that and then however
else they sought out the funds. But that is a
lot of money, a lot of money for a twenty
three thousand seat stadium that, as far as I know,
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can only really be used in this context. If you
want to get a Matilda's game and you want to
have it played down there twenty three thousand six, they
wouldn't bother yea would yes?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Three more they're going to use it for rather purposes.
That's part of the a twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Three thousands too little for that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like if you know, if you're going to have a
touring act, what Pink's going to go there?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, Pink's not going to go there. I mean tell
us we've certainly not going to go there.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Like if you if you tell us she's as babe,
have you she's got fifty trucks to move, she's on Tuesdays. Yes,
But because Brisbane has fifty two and a half thousand,
that's not enough. So I don't know, I just think
that it needs to be at least and I'm going
to sound hypocritical here because it doesn't sound that much more.
It needs to be at least thirty thousand so that
you can have it be attractive to other things, so
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that it can pave the way and pay for itself eventually.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But then it's only more expensive, which makes people more angry.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
True, that is true, but they're already angry. They're already angry.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
All right.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's get to the backstory of the history of football
before we get to the politics, because we've delved into
the politics early. But footy has been played in Tasmania
for around one hundred and fifty years, if so long
as there's been a Sharon some variety, they've played it on.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
The island state.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And you, Jeremy, you grew up with Ozzie rules more
so than me.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Massively.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Has Tasmania always been in the conversation? Have they always
been there being like we'd love it? Please, please please.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Look look at us, Look at us. Team team for us.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I mean, I don't know if they're screams for a
team made it across another water where I was growing
up in Western Australia, to be honest, but I do
know they are a very strong footballing state and we
know that from the pedigree of players that have come
through Matthew Richardson, who I've spoken to at length about
this and how much it would mean for him. We
know that Jack Reewolt has retired and taken an ambassadorship
type role with Tasmania say nailing it as well. He
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is everywhere, so well, he is everywhere. And also Nick
Riewolt his cousin famous name's Alista Lynch. So because link
exactly one of yours. You've seen so many stars come
out of Tasmania because they it's what they play growing up.
They play cricket hoping to be Ricky Ponting's. They punch up.
They really do punch up. Because if you go anywhere
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near Loncester and they're like do you know, I'm like, yes,
Ricky Ponting's from here, thanks for coming. But the earliest
bid for an AFL team in TASMANI was made.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
This blew my mind nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
They were like, God, before you and I were even specs.
They were like, come on, let us have a go.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And in that time we've seen the Suns no comment
and the Giants be added to this Tim Well actually
probably more than that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Eight formal proposals were put for between nineteen ninety two
and twenty twenty three. They're now successful. Bid has been
in the work for several years. In November twenty twenty two,
the Taz government and the AFL reached and in principal agreement.
I love those words on the commercial terms for the
nineteenth alliances. Now they knew they were getting warmed. Then
in twenty twenty two, the Taz government's funding committed to
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include twelve million dollars per year over twelve years, plus
sixty million towards a high performance and administration complex. So essentially,
the AFL said, you on a team. There's plenty of
other states that want a team. What are you going
to do for it? And the Tazi government has had
to kill keep saying we will provide.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
You want a stadium, We're gonna build the stadium.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
So it's not the AFL necessarily going we're desperate to
have a team in Tasmania. It's Tasmania saying, look what
will provide if you grant us this license.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Also, you think about you know, the saying try try
try again.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
This is try try, try, try, try, try, try try again.
I've lost count but try by seven and then another
try again.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Sounds like the Panthers in the final. What I'm sorry, sorry, Tasmania.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let's just sorry, I'm bleeding out the air ambulance again.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Before she kicks me under the desk.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But TASA Tasmania will be represented in both the AFL
and AFLW competitions, and we saw the presentation this week
of the guernsey which highly highly reflects back to their
state Guernsy with the map and apparently now Jack Rewat's
been going out to all the schools and different clubs
and has his finger on the pulse apparently of what
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people wanted and for Tasmanian football supporters, the map and
the colors that we saw in the red, the yellow,
the green really strongly mean a lot to football fans
in Tasmania and it makes sense in that those colors
are what they've affiliated Tasmanian football with. But something that
they didn't harp on enough I feel is that it's
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their foundation jumper. This is not their home nor away jumper.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yes, which can I just be very very frank did
I send? When I saw this jersey? It gave me
hope actually that this was just the heritage jumper, their
foundation jumper, and they wouldn't have to wear this in
actual competition come twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
But I feel like the jumper itself should have had
asterisk on it.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Should have it should have been It would have made
more sense than the actual jumper, because when we first
saw it, did I send you and producer James a
note saying, hang on a second, does that tea look
like fallopian trees.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
To anyone else?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Because I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, it's
not that far of a leap.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Look up, you're you're not the only one who said it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Also, if it's not filopian tubes, it's a bloody four
and twenty pie with.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Sauce on it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So they should be the ignor inaugural sponsors of this team,
because what why is it? The yellow the perfect pastry color,
and then you've got tomato sauce and then it's sitting
in a green.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Field like what what? So I'm not a fan of
the guernsey.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I'm so sorry everyone and the millions of dollars that
you've already spent in getting that heritage.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Jersey, and I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I am so intrigued to see if they take on
the feedback of everyone going eh.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Also just the positioning of it. That's where the filopian
tubes would be.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like, you've got to think about this. I'm like, what
for the afl W and the AFH Like what oh goodness? Anyway,
I did.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Like they the mascot.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I just wonder if they had anyone like you and
their board meeting that would be willing to go, guys,
anyone see the female reproductive system?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Or do I need a coffee break? But what we
do know.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
This is why we need more women in sports.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
What we do know is they finally revealed and it
was the big build up.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
What is this team going to be called?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
And they are called the Tasmania Devils And this had
been a story for the better part of three years.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
At first I wasn't I wasn't a massive fan on
calling them the Devils.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Well, I know it makes all of the sense, all of.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
The what else are they going to be? The jack
jumpers that take it? I know?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, the jack Jumpers is the best name, the
best name in sport.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But because the Melbourne Demons, you already have a devilish
character in the Demons.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
So and I can, I mean, I can. Look, I've accepted.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I have not thought of that parallel, and that's valid
because if you're not going to have Warner Brothers Tazzy
Devil as your mascot, which you won't be able to
and we'll get into, how else are you going to represent?
Is it going to be like a really angry looking possum.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It does look like an angry possum. It does look
like an angry pos them, but just and I can
see it now, I've accepted it. I've accepted that the
Tasmanian Devils makes so much sense, and that you know
it is a marketer's dream because you can be like,
you know, Hellish Clash, you know the I and I
just say, I want to copyright this right now. But
anyone who is involved in this team, if you are
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not already planning your marketing promotional materials, when these players
finally kick a goal and it is not cruel summer,
he looks up Grinnin like a devil, Fire yourselves, fire?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Where is your brain?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Go?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Can you imagine the first goal for Tasmania straight through
the sticks? You're hoping it's your pinut player and he
just starts smiling, and then you just put that on
every single billboard.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
He looks up grinnin like a devil. You're welcome, world,
you are welcome.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm willing to wager everything I have that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I don't know how to begin to tell.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You, but let me take you on a bit of
a germ of why this was such a story.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But don't we talk more about the marketing and promotion?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Absolutely, I think we're done here, and that is why
we're very different on two good sports. But Tasmania's VFL
program used the Devil's name from two thousand and one
to two thousand and eight. It was revived in twenty eighteen,
meaning every Tasmanian football team from under twelves boys and
girls to the tac Cup and senior men and women's
sides were known as the Tasmania Devils. Now, the problem
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is Warner Brothers has Tazzi Devil and Tasmanian Devil as
a trademark.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
That little thing that spins round because the.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Devil they took on bugs Bunny and they thought we
need a devil from down under that no one really
knows so of course we all know the Tazzi Devil,
the cartoon. And the problem with trademark is it covers
a lot of things that you want to put a
football logo on, lunchboxes, backpacks, t shirts, they own Tazzy Devils.
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And the bit about this that made me laugh so
hard is that you had executives at the launch where
they've said our team is called the Tasmania Devils, and
this is a genuine quote. Once Warner Brothers became aware
that the Tasmanian Devil is the legitimate name of the
animal from the island in Australia, their claims kind of
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fell apart because genuinely Warner Brothers thought there must be
another name. The nickname of this animal is the Tazzi Devil. Yeah, no, no, no,
it is Australia, mate, Australian.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
It's called Tasmanian Devil. I don't know why I said that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I love that you're Australian trying to do an Australian accent,
but you have one because you are Australian. But basically
what you're saying is that Warner Brothers.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Said no, and we said animal, and they've gone, oh shit,
it's real.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
It's not the most American thing. I'm assuming that they're
American execs. Isn't the most American thing that could ever
have happened.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
It's like them having their world series when they're the
only ones that compete.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's like, guys, actually, okay, whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
US geniuses thought up this mythical creature that is the
Tasmanian chexnotes or actual.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Was there was there one Australian at Warner Brothers that
was like, guys, this idea the Tasmanian Devil, and they're like,
you just thought that up?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And he's gone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, I made it up like some bloke in the
early eighties has just gone yeah yeah, definitely not a
thing my brain.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I'll take all the credits.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So anyway, yeah, anyway, it's basically what no money has
exchanged hands. The two parties have come to a mutual
agreement and shared ip around the name. So you're both
going to be able to buy a Warner Brothers Tazzi
Devil on.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
A lunchbox and then one that represents.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The team that is going to be in the AFL
and we say is going to be in the AFL, it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Says, let's put that bring the astroisk back.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Well, there are so many caveats, and those being the
launch day is the start of the twenty twenty eight season,
which we are in twenty twenty four. The must have
for the AFL is a stadium. And my favorite part
about this is it must have a roof.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
As someone who has done a lot of cricket cricket
summer sport in Tasmania out of Hobart and Lonceston, it
gets cold, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It does need one.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yes, I think that there has to be a roof
because it does get freezing cold and of course that's
going to ramp up costs. But what makes this even
more contentious right now is that we've just had an
election in Tasmania, a state election.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
It is still on.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We're still having seats, we decided as we go to air.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So it looks like the Liberal government will retain a
minority government so they will still be in charge. They
are the ones that have broken this deal with the
AFL to have the roof stadium, and how with.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
The deal to agree to a stadium, which has led
to the license and the announcement because there is an
agreement and not a gentleman's agreement in writing.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yes, that this will be provided things have.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Been assigned, there have been legit handshakes.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So the thing that makes this so very interesting is
that a minority government means that there are certain independents
at play that then now have a very very very
big role in different things that happen, anything that tries
to go through the Parliament or their parliament. And my
favorite part of this is that the Liberal government they
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called this election early because they were trying to secure
a majority government because they weren't sure if they were
going to be able to do that in a year's time.
Now that did not happen, they will still have government.
But it also means that Jackie Lamby and the Jackie
Lamby Network, an independent senator there in Tasmania herself.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And you don't know Jackie Lamby. As soon as we
play what we're about to play, you'll go, oh, yeah,
I know her. And you have to know she is
one of the most famous politicians in the country.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yes, yes, you would one thousand percent know her. She
has very very strong opinions on things, including a roofed stadium.
Now the Liberal government they were like, yes, we've got this,
but because they have minority, it may not be so
simple for them to pass laws and decrees, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
And the Labour's government argument heading into this election was
we're pro the team. Don't get us wrong, we're pro
Tasmania having a team. We would look to renegotiate the stadium. Yes, yes,
and the AFL going well, no, you wouldn't, No, you wouldn't.
And all of this is happening, but there's been a
launch and we're waiting to see how the seat's fall
with all of this unknown seats of the stadium and
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the seats in Parliament. But also why Jackie Lamby is
so important is because her and her senators may actually
end up with the deciding votes.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And she has a loud voice.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And this is what she thinks a very strong message.
Shall we say to the AFL CEO Andrew.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Dillon, if Andrew Dyllon want to touch on what it's
like in Tasmania, Hey mate, I'll.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Put you out for a few weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Come and have a look in my backyard in Bernie
on the northwest coast, and then you might get a
blodre you're able to check mate because we can't afford
it in Tasmania and that's it, end of story. We'd
love one, I can tell you, but I'll tell you
we're not as rich as what they are in Western Australia.
We don't have all that resources, money coming into us,
all that sort of stuff, and we have so many
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issues going on in Tasmania where they have to be
prioritized over a stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And it's as simple as that.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
We are seeing this.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Firstly, she's so great, so great, love more against.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
She is incredible for politics because you never die wondering.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What genuinely I have met Jackie, and I genuinely think
that she really does.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Care absolutely, and what she's caring about is seven hundred
and fifteen million being the supposed cost. Yes, and I
say supposed stadiums blow out.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Especially if you make it increase the capacity of the
venue as I'm calling on them to do, it's going
to blow out even more.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Stadiums blowout, timelines blow out, and when stadiums blow out
is to the tune of hundreds of millions. And as
Jackie Lamby's saying, we have really massive issues and the
thing is Australia wide, we have the word crisis is
used to apply to most things in our lives. There
is the cost of living crisis. There is a youth
crime crisis. There is crisis everywhere. And basically, tax payers
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when it comes to an election, don't want a shiny
new stadium. They want the price of potatoes to come down.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yes, and also because we are hit by those personal crises, yes,
but the governments and state governments they're also feeling those effects.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
They have that as well.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And it's not just Tasmania. We've seen this week that
the Queensland government are renegging on their bid to try
to updo the stadium for the Olympics. Oh thing, but
that's to the cost of three point four billion dollars.
And essentially any government that advocates for a massive spend
on a new stadium that long term will bring joy
is losing elections because people want immediate relief.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
But how the Liberal government, if indeed you know what
we think is going to happen and they retain power
a minority government and the AFL, what they need to
do is switch the conversation and get it focused more
on not on how much is going to cost, but
how much they are investing and how much that investment
will make them in the future because they are investing
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in jobs they are.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Even the construction will take so much work.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I've seen some figures and it's like it could bring
in two billion dollars, this team, this stadium, all of
this for the state. So they really need to switch
that narrative so that becomes the focus. Because everyone in
Tasmania does want a football team. They want the Devils.
They want it to be a success. They want someone
that they can barrack for every single week that's going
to play at home.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
They might need to extend the stadium so there's a
wall tall enough to fit the one hundred and fifty
thousand names of the founding members.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's more money.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Such has been the vote of confidence behind this, so
we know that people desperately want it. But I just think,
and we're seeing this across the board in sport, we're
still having conversations about how this is going to happen.
When it's going to happen. When we're a few short
years out from when the launch date is. Yeah, four
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years is such a tight time to build a stadium.
And you've still got to get it approved through all
the processes. If this doesn't get approved quickly, it's really
hard to see it finished in time well.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And also if it's not ready to go by twenty
twenty nine, So the team exists in twenty twenty eight,
they're running out and they'll be splitting their home games
between a number of venues, including bell Reef. But if
it's not done by twenty twenty nine, which is when
we are meant to have this roofed stadium with twenty
three thousand people, that Tasmanian government is going to have
to pay four and a half million dollars per season
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that the new stadium isn't ready by, So that's just
the tax for the stadium not even being there, not
being ready with all of these delays.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
If that happens, and meanwhile, they need to attract bumper talent,
the system is going to be that they will get
a lot of high draft picks, but they will need
to trade those to other clubs to get senior players.
So instead of what we saw with the Sons potentially
where they got these high draft picks and these stars
and these young players went up there played for a
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few years established themselves and as soon as they could
return to Melbourne. So it was this breeding ground of
talent where they got paid incredible money to play in
a non faobailing state. Yes, but they wanted to be
in front of the big crowds. They're now suggesting the
opposite in that get an established champion to come down
for the twilight years of their career, get remunerated really well.
But be a leader of the club is the way
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the system's going. And there's also talks of Brendan Gale
potentially being the new CEO, which he is just such
a star administrator it would be a massive coup if
they actually had someone like him to represent the club.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I think that he will go down there.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think that that will happen, so that that would
be a massive win for the Devil.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
It's starting to look very Richmond.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well between rich and Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
But what I actually think they need to do is
not look to Richmond. They need to look to another code,
which is the NBA and just look at what the
jack Jumpers have done flo follow that.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
If not the Filopian tubes, what would you like to
see on the front of it? Are you just pop
shotting off, you've got ideas of what you'd like to
see on the gurzi.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I like the green. I think the green is great.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Green, yellow and red's not complimentary for anyone.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
No, it really isn't what I would just like, why
can't it just be green with like little yellow trim
on the sleeves.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
And then I know that very Australiana.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I know, but I know Bamba's fans won't like this.
But then you take the red sash, the red.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Sash or even just a red V, and then you
can have the little V for vics.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No, but why is that?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
What it is?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The V?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh? My god?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
What Victorian's own like that design?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Come on, if you just had that like a V there,
and then you had the little tazzy logo that they've
got the frustrated possum whatever you said it was. And
if you just had that, that's way better than fillopian tubes.
And then you could have the outline the outline of
Tasmania on the back with the number You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I've solved again. It solved it again.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
The frustrated Possums coming to a stadium with a roof
in a year, hopefully, in twenty twenty eight. George, Yes,
fun fact time. And when I saw this one, I said, George,
you don't look it's mine. I've not looked at it.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
It's mine.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I've not looked.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
State of origin as a concept actually comes from Australian
rules football.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It does, though, despite being synonymous with rugby league. State
of origin in Australian rules dates back to the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It really does.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So. Rugby league series that we know today between Queensland
and New South Wales, your beloved Morons Roots was first
played in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
What a time.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I wasn't alive, but what a time.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So Ossie Rules first hosted state representative matches in eighteen
seventy nine. So in terms of what in terms of
a gap, there's quite a large margin in which the
the concept that rugby league fans go, oh yeah, I
mean Ozzie Rules. It's all right, but you don't have
state of origin. We had it first, bitches, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
But what happened to it? What happened to it? How
you've dropped You've dropped the absolute ball here?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
How could you have had such a strong concept, proven
strong concept from rugby league and absolutely set it on
fire in Ossie Rules. Also, why did they even come
up with that concept? Because Ossie Rules was like, literally,
this is this is the problem.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
This is the problem.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It is so for a national game only Victoria cares
about it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Wow and Tasmania okay and w wow.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I was about to say and South Australia and Sydney
going quite.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Half of New South Wales and half of Queensland other
than that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So essentially, as we know, the AFL used to be
the VFL, so it was very Victorian central.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
But the expansion of the competition.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Who were the state?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
The problem with state of origin? When would you play
it in AFL Middle of the Sea wouldn't happen? Why
because of the injuries they play rugby league. Yeah, but
you'd also have to have players from like more. You
couldn't just have two states.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You can have the VICTI and this is and this
is where this is where the AFL has down.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We did necessarily have VIX and all stars, but it
was also hard.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
They then it became the EJ. Whitten Game.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that a celebrity game?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yes? Roberts playing that of course? Yes. Anyway, fun fact
you al most love product. We thought of it first.
You just do it better. We can. We can we
make peace at that with our product. You do it better.
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