August 21, 2025 • 39 mins
This week Georgie and Abbey dive deep into the fallout from Izak Rankine's homophobic slur - a story that’s shaking the AFL on the eve of finals. With special guest Kate McCarthy, they unpack the culture that still allows this language to surface, the AFL’s mixed messaging on zero tolerance, and what it means for fans who feel left out of the game they love. Plus: the best and worst of player initiations, why Remember the Titans still holds up, and the rise of AFLW’s unstoppable force, Zippy Fish.
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That's where we begin this episode, have too Good Sports.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
That was unhinge.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Let me shry. Hello, dear listeners, and welcome to two
Good Sports. It's sports and he's sold differently. I'm not
Georgie Tunny. I'm maybe tell me George it is me
Georgie Tunny.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Hi Hi hi hi hi Hi.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh, I'm good, I'm good. I'm a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I've had an up and down week because full disclosure,
dear listeners, the topic that we are talking about today
is one that I wish we did not have to
cover again. We are going to be getting into everything Adelaide, Croz,
Isaac Rankin, homophobic slurs in the AFL.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's coming up, that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
But outside of that and in actual life, I've been busy.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
She's been amazing, and she's been racing. She's been racing.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh yes, the news dropped that. The official promos.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm so excited. More You and Rob on my screens,
You and Morone. It was meant to be, meant to be,
meant to be Tea Morone. The first promo was out.
I think we feature a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's mainly a close up of Robert's face going down
some crazy high zip line somewhere, screaming.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Does it already feel like an outer body thing? Looking
back on it, going, I can't believe we did that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it feels like it's happened
to someone else.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I saw those shots.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I was like, no, when was I there?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
How'd I get there?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
How'd I get there?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But it's been overwhelming, actually, the response to it. Everyone
is very excited and I'm excited to relive it, but
also slightly concerned because you know how competitive I am,
and now.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The world will know I have never done anything that
will unveil how unattractively competitive I am. That's the average person.
You have put yourself in a race. Oh no, you.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Know when you see those movie posters and it's like
five stars greate at film on Earth. I'm just ready
to have my face on a poster with unattractively competitive
the Georgie Tunny story. There are literally points throughout this
race and this television show guys which if they can
make the cut, I think they will where Robert's looking
at me like do I know you?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I'm unsure give the ring back? Brace ourselves for that.
I can't wait, genuinely can't wait. How are you? I'm
really good and I'm really excited to show you this
good sport. Yes, because there are some moments in sport
where I can watch the clip over and over and
I smile every time every time. There are initiation processes
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that happen at clubs around the world when you join
and you're a rookie, and there are things that you
need to do. Some of those very outdated and you
don't have to do anymore. But some of them I
think deeply need to be protected because Georgia, if you
ever heard of Colston Loveland.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
No a person, a place, a thing, Nor.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Did I before this. But he is a draft d
I think, or a rookie, one of the two for
the Chicago Bears in the NFL, and has part of
his initiation he had to get up and sing a
song in front of the group. Please enjoy the not
so dulcent tones but the clear everyone getting around him
of Colson Lovel.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I watched this, Oh DearS.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Just I know that this isn't a visual medium, so
it's hard to get across there. But imagine an enormous
white guy, enormous dancing very awkwardly to Mario and an
entire room of NFL players deciding that it's the greatest
thing that they've ever heard. And that's essentially what just
unraveled there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Do you know what I'm going to say here in
my ultimate review, Sam Laula's safe. He's safe because on
this podcast we know that he's the true Australian idol.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
But that is exceptional.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well done.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Good Try the greatest sports movie of all time? Remember
the Titans. It's remembered. No, hey, hey, good bad remember.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
The days I sent you free?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's what it is. It's sunshine, sun It's sunshine.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Oh my god, I love you.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like the greatest sports movie ever.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I've got you know who that is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
We need to go on, squizz Chows. The telepathy is real.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It is the greatest sports movie of all time.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean, it's up there. Coach Card is also exceptional.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I mean it's one of my favorite genres. How
long we got?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
How long we got on this episode?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Draft Day, underrated caps.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Stunning in that film. There's so many layers. It's so
many anyway, I can and will forever be able to
watch Americans get up and sing in front of a
group and captivate everyone in real time. That felt like
a movie. That was so good. We'll share it to
our story. So if you want to find it, go
have a listener.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Best I've got a very quick good sport, which I
know that you will love and you would I've already seen.
But given that, we are going to spend a lot
of our discussion today about an incident that happened in
the Collingwood Adelaide clash over the weekend. I wanted to
also say there were some lovely moments in that match too,
namely Collingwood losing, but also there was a moment pre
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match where techs Walker Cross.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Captain his little boy.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Louie Walker is a huge Collingwood fan and he's a
huge Nick Dkos fan, and there is a moment before
that game where they're going underneath the sheds and they
can see going past the Collingwood dressing room and Nick
Dakos comes running out and gives this little tiny human
like the best best day of his life, gives him
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a hug, asks him questions.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Louis overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They get a photo and so much so that the
Collingwood knew what they were doing. That their banner when
they ran through in the crowd said, a little crow
is quite the talker. Welcome to the army, Louie Walker,
which is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Just how did they lose with a banner like that?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Arguably the greatest sledge of all time.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's how we like to see our sledges.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There's also I love text wife Elsie's legend. She put
up a video of so the Crows have this almighthy
win Yes and in the lift on the way home,
Loui is just going because he's just devastated the Pies lost.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's fantastic, the best, this little Crows fan with the
Adelaide jersey with Daddy on the back and he's got
a Nick Dekos badge and he's like, there's my there's
my guy.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Even got the haircut. Oh, it's just.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
The hair that's a friend of the ear is a
famous jemy.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
F Yes, yes, and also they smell they spell Louis correctly,
which is all I can asshole because that's going to
be a battle, explaining to my two year oldest silent
s so but no, I loved that moment. It was gorgeous,
but there is an issue out of that game that
we are going to discuss and that's our main chat
today for many AFL fans. The finals really began last
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week and one of the most anticipated games of the
season was the only two teams that we've had lead
the ladder in twenty twenty five. It was the Adelaide
Crows taking on the Collingwood Bagpies. It was in Adelaide
and it was hotly anticipated that whoever won this match
was going to be the flag favorites in a nailbier.
The Crows got home by three points and we thought
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that would be the talking point out of the round
about the fact that they are going to finish and
have two bites of the cherry running into the finals.
That was not the talking point that came out of
this match.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
The Adelaide Football Club is tonight facing the prospect of
being without superstar Isaac Rankin for the entire final.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Series and there's facing a possible five week ban for
an alleged on field sledge aimed at a Collingwood player.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
He's got okay, he's got some support from the club.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Disappointed, he's very remorseful and he understands that he's made
a mistake and he'll accept whatever comes his way. I mean,
it's so ideal, but it's obviously in the AFL's hands
and will let them investigated and.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
That so it ops.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Isaac Rankin has been cited by the AFL for using
a homophobic slurb. Rancan is a powerhouse, excitement machine and
a game winner for Adelaide and he potentially missing finals
is one of the biggest stories that we've seen in
the AFL this year. It brings to light Georgie once again,
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how sport can be used as a springboard, most unfortunately
to discuss things that we need to be better at
still as a society, and the way that this story
has been covered by sports media but also just in
conversation is something that we want to highlight because I
think it still shows that people don't understand how hurtful
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words can be and how important it is that sport
remains a safe space for everyone, because it's clearly still
not words matter.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's what we continue to learn every single day. Words matter.
They have an effect, they can change someone's day, they
can change someone's life. So how this has been handled
by many different parties this week, I've got numerous thoughts
on I feel like I want to toss the phrase
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not ideal in the bin. I can understand the awkwardness
for teammates, coaching staff involved at that club, but not
ideal is just not good enough. It's not good enough
for where we are as a game, for where we
are as a society, and I would have hoped to
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not be talking about this, but instead this isn't an
isolated incident. Yes, it's got the biggest ramifications, but This
is looking likely to be the sixth type of incident.
In the last sixteen or eighteen months of.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
This kind, we've had seven cases. This included being reported
to the AFL, one of them being a senior coach
and the most senior coach in Alista Clarkson, who had
a suspended sentence. But from there, the AFL did hand
down three weeks sanction to Jeremy Finlayson a season ago
and essentially said from this point on, it's only going
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to get the penalties are only going to get more
extreme because we don't stand for this anymore. And now
we stand on the precipice of a final series with
one of the most exciting players in the game looking
like they're going to miss the final series, and we're
okay with that. What we're not okay with is the
supposed discussion between the club and the AFL about whether
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or not that sanction's fair, because what's not fair is
people not feeling comfortable in their workplace.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's disappointing that we're in this situation, to be honest,
as a fan of the game, as a person who
covers the game, works with the game, it's just disappointing.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That we're even here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We're even here and at the moment we know. What
we know is that a five match band was tabled
by the AFL to the Crows. They were given the
opportunity to present a case arguing for that to be downgraded.
Numerous arguments have been tabled in the media as to
what they're going to officially use Snoop Dogg Top Dog
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being hired, potentially among.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Them lyrics to a song he wrote in nineteen ninety
eight that used the F word, and that is all
we will ever call it.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes, whether or not Isaac Franklin was antagonized into this position,
was had people saying things to him about a previous
game getting knocked out, all of that, which has led
him to use this word in a retaliatory.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Response all of those things.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's just if there was a stronger stance in the AFL,
we didn't need to have this conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
We're about to have a very special guest join this
conversation with us, but we just want to highlight this
is not a character attack on Isaac or anyone who
has said this. We know that good people can do
dumb things. This is a deep investigation into why this
keeps happening in the AFL because it's getting to the
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point now where it's prolific and it needs to stop.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Our guest today, dear listener, is one of the premiere
voices in footy in this country, a former player now
a commentator and a definitive voice. I think I don't
want to call her a moral compass, maybe just a
common sense compass. But we are absolutely thrilled that we
have the wonderful Kate McCarthy here on.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Too Good spots.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Thank you very much for having me. And I'm not
a moral compass, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I wish it was under better circuit stances.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Where we could just say how amazing you're doing and
we just love watching and listening and around so far
saves me and you're just you're doing so brilliantly and
we love listening to you and what you do. And
again we wish that we were here just waxing lyrical
about the finals, because that's what we should be talking
about it this time of year. But of course the
AFO world has been swept up in this Isaac Rankin
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story of what will be handed down and what this
story really means for the AFL and its dance on homophobia,
because this has been an ongoing story for so long,
hasn't it.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, it certainly has.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
And I think if we go all the way back
to midway through last year, I think was the initial
I think sanction that was handed down to a player,
and then we've had multiple incidents since then. And the
interesting thing for me is that when that initial sanction
was handed out to Jeremy Finlayson, which I think was
three or four it was three weeks, they did make
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a point that from then on every sanction would actually
incre in time, and that's what we had gotten to.
There was obviously a couple where players had self reported,
so the AFL saw that as a way that they
I guess kind of come forward themselves and identified it themselves,
which meant that they get one week less, which I'm
not actually I don't really have.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
A problem with.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I think it's still saying we know you did the
wrong thing. You know you did the wrong thing, so
let's repair this, but you need to set your time
out of the game. And then we get to this
one where it was a five week sanction, which first
of all, isn't actually increasing the penalty because the last one.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Was five weeks as well.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
So first of all, they've gone against that that they
said it would be a sliding scale for that reason,
to try and continue to deter. And then we've gotten
to the point where now the AFL are allowing the
Crows to submit something, to argue against it and challenge it,
which for me, I think looks bad on both parties.
I think it shows that the AFL is considering actually
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reducing this because it's finals, which for me, like if
you're making a stance against something, the more I think
harsh or the more that the penalty actually hurts the
player and hurts the club, the more it means that
you're going towards a place where you're probably going to
stamp it out because they know that the repercussions are there.
They should know anyway, I can't believe that we are
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still having this chat.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's part of what I wanted to gauge from UK
is that Gelmy and I we whax the recle on
this podcast all the time. We get frustrated all the time.
But was there a part of you when the first
headline broke that something was happening, something was going on
a player was getting investigated again for a homophobic slur.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Were you surprised?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Unfortunately not?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
And I think that's probably the first point is it
just seems to be something that some players go to
as a retaliation or a way to put a player down,
or I just don't I don't understand because personally, I've
never ever used that word and I will never ever
use that word. And I think ninety nine sense of
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society and football know that that word is not appropriate anymore.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
It actually not anymore.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
It was never appropriate, yes, but some back in however
long ago, it was okay to use around the people
because the LGBTQIA plus community was so marginalized, and like, yeah,
that's the bit that really gets me is that I
don't think people understand what impact that word has on
the gay community and what like you go through as
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someone growing up in Australia and we are a very
welcoming and open country, but as a queer person when
you're growing up, like the amount of names you get called,
or the amount of things you hear said about you,
either behind your back or directly to you, like that
is damaging and your whole life you question whether you're
normal and whether you're okay and whether you'll be accepted,
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whether people always ask when did you come out? You
come out every day, Like there's people that don't know
that I'm gay that will be listening to this, and
I've just come out to them. It's something that's just
ongoing throughout your life, and when you hear things like
this come up, it just sort of makes you be like, yeah,
well that's where we're at still, or there are still
people with these beliefs and we're living in a world
where that's how people kind of still treat that community
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at times. And fortunately it's not the wider community anymore,
absolutely not, but it is just that little reminder that's like,
oh cool, Like we're still here and we're still trying
to educate as to why this word shouldn't be used.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I think that's the exhausting part. And we always say,
and Georgie's favorite catch phrase is sport is a mirror
of society. What we see happening in the sporting landscape,
and the stories that happen in a sporting landscape often
reflect what's happening out there in pubs, in clubs, in
you know, people talking about it at work, and at schools,
and I think that, and we saw this with the
GWS scandal, where you see what's reflected and this dance
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that people take going gee, that feels harsh or g
that isn't that? That's so over? Imagine missing finals for
saying that and you sort of oh, so you still
you still don't get it?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Yeah, the argument that I've seen so much on Twitter,
which is just disgusting for things like this. And anytime
I sort of put anything out on a topic like this,
I'll just turn comments off because I don't need what.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
We're going to see.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But the general stuff around games gone soft?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Oh, like, what do you mean the game's gone soft? Like,
go say that in your workplace and let me know
if you still have a job the next day.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yes, this is what I wanted us to touch on.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We'd lose our jobs because but at the end of
the day, this is a workplace. Whoever you are directing
this comment at. If you think that you can get
away with that at someone walking down a corridor in
an office building, you've got another thing coming. Yeah, Like
you would have first warning, then no more, no more warnings.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And even if you get one and you'd be marched.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Well, I think if someone actually probably made a complaint
about that, I don't even know if you get a
warning no discrimination. Most workplaces have a zero tolerance policy,
which apparently the AFL does as well.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Apparently in their.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Handbook it's zero tolerance. So for me, if it's zero tolerance,
there is no process to this. There is just here's
your five weeks.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's that is that what the AFL needs to There's
no public scale where we know what this is. And
this is where I find it quite perplexing, because if
you say, oh no, we're going to have a sliding
scale on the degree of the offense, so we're going
to be grading how offensive slurs are. They've put themselves
in this position and it doesn't make any kind of sense.
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Should we now have set bands for if you use
this kind of language?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I think that's what it needs to get to. So
there's no gray area, there's no nothing. If they are
going to keep increasing it, there needs to be legislation
that says each time a player is found guilty of this,
it will increase by two weeks, or the sanction will
increase by this, and there is no justification to it,
because there's no way that you can justify if you
sat here and tried to argue with me of a
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way that would justify a player using a slur like that.
There is absolutely no way that you can know, and
that maybe there was some other vilification in the process,
then that becomes its own integrity issue and that other
player is investigated.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
But there is still no way that I could sit
here and.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Accept that you said that word for whatever else was
said to you in the process, it's just not acceptable.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Do you accept Isaac Runkin's remorse? Not from him directly,
but we've heard from teammates and coaches and saying that
they believe that he's just going to he will accept
whatever comes his way.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We're recording this before we know the official suspension. Do
do you accept that.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I accept that he is most definitely would be remorseful,
because what has happened, the outcome of it would be
something that would be really confronting and really horrible to
go through. However, it's what happens when you do something
like this. Unfortunately, and I don't know him as a person.
I don't know him around the club, I don't know
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his values and everything like that. So I'm not sitting
here and targeting him with any of this, and I
am more than sure he understands that he's made a mistake.
Unfortunately it's just happened after the fact, which then means.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
That there is a process that plays out.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Here and he will miss games, he will miss important games,
and that's a.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Very important player.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
That's the reality of what he's done.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Now. It's also this feeling and it's so uncomfortable that
sport is not for you. It's this feeling of really
behind closed doors, there is language used and there are
conversations that are had that still marginalizes people. So not
everyone is welcome here. And the AFL can have every
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pride round, every women's violence round, and you know, everything
that they want to do to virtue signal these things.
But until it's actually stamped out culturally, our game still
isn't for everyone. In the fact that we still don't
have current or past male player that's been comfort enough
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to come out and say, yeah, I'm gay, And the
sheer volume of men that have played in the league
means there must be oh, of course, and of course
there is, of course, of course, but they would be
exhausted by the weight of every time this happens, people
reaching out and going you need to be the one
on the soapbox reminding people as to why this word
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hurts so much, and that does.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
And a couple of points on that, like the first
one around the word that's being used. And my argument
is anyone in the heat of the moment or when
you're angry, when you're upset, you don't use a word
that you never use. You go to something that maybe
you say casually, maybe you say in other conversations that
are explicit or whatever it is. But when you're under
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the pump, when you're under pressure, when it's fight or flight,
you don't come out with a word that you've never said.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Before that's valorous.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So the locker room talk, whether it is locker room talk,
whether it is Isaac and his mates, whoever, you don't
go to a word that you never use. And then
the other point to that is we say that the
AFL has pride rounds and stuff and this and that,
but that's only in the afl W space. There is
a pride game that's right that for a couple of
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years now didn't actually take place. It happened again this
year Essendon and Sydney. It was Sydney and Saint Kilda.
There is no men's pride, which again just shows, Oh,
we're happy for AFLW players to be the advocates for
this because they're all comfortable with who they are. They're
very open. It's a welcoming space. But what voice does
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it have in the men's space.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And what on that? How would the afl W team
be feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, that their club's trying to argue as to why
trying to.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Present a defense and look, on the one hand, from
a purely club perspective, I can understand that this is
a huge ramification for them for the finals.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, they're board. It's like where they're forget results,
we have to.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Go in for bat for Isaac, all that blah blah blah.
From a human perspective, for those Crows girls, what are
they meant to feel with this?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
If I was playing at that football club, and I
can only speak of if I was and if this
was happening, I don't know how any of the Adelaide
Crow's girls are feeling. So I'm not speaking on behalf
of anyone here, but if I was playing at a
club and that was their response to something like this,
I would be really, really disappointed. I would be angry,
and I'm the type of person that doesn't just sit
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on that. I would be talking to people that are
stakeholders at that club and trying to explain what this
makes you feel like as someone that's at the club
that's openly gay.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
They're then challenging an.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Sanction that has been placed on a player for saying
something that is extremely offensive to your community. So what
is that saying? I just I don't understand the whole
let's challenge this. I don't I get the results, I
get its finals. Sorry, but it's happened. Just accept it
and move on. Because you're making yourselves look silly in this.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, you can't say that you have a zero tolerance
policy against homophobia but then challenges sanction at the same
time those they're mutually exclusive. You can't do that. So
on the one hand, we can say some things are
bigger than football, but clearly at Clubland they're still not.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
No question without notice, and feel free not to answer
if you don't want to. Did you ever suffer slurs
like this throughout your playing career.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
No, never, never.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I think the AFLW is a completely different side of misses.
And I think the benefit that we had as AFLW
players is I was out before I ever got drafted.
Most of the players were out before they ever played
a game of AFLW, So when we were playing, we
were already out, which sounds like it's like, okay, cool,
(26:46):
that's great, But we didn't have a profile. I didn't
have a profile, I didn't have anything. I was just
playing footy. And then I already had a partner at
the time, so I was quite public with that. And
then when I started playing football, that sort of came
with it, and that was.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Everyone else as well.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
There was never any question as to whether any of
us were going to hide who we were or this
or that. And I think there's probably girls that have
come through the system now that have sort of seen
that and seen if they're struggling with their sexuality or
struggling with feelings that they're having and not sure what
it means that they can see people that are out
and proud and are on the big stage in the
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afl W, and it's.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Fine, and it's as much as a character strait of
oh yeah, they've got blue eyes, as in, like, it's
just yeah, and your coffee orders are flat white? Can
I help you? Yeah, like, as in, that's where we
need to get it.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
And I think that's the benefit of it, and that
I would I would say that no AFLW player would
ever discriminate someone around that I would hope and we
would also hope for the men's space as well.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, but regardless though, if we had that set penalty,
that's just what it is. It is, yeah, you know,
and then we can learn you have those actual ramifications.
The football clubs themselves can take it seriously and be like,
let's get serious about education about this. Even though you
have all of the resources in the world, let's actually
show that it's not just we put our money where
our mouth is.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Are we still in the space of are we waiting
for something like the AFLPA to go. We're going to
take this on and up the education so there is
no but that's the thing. Are we still there where
we need the players to go? We are going to
have and all in where we explain categorically, or there's
(28:32):
a video that goes out so everyone's seen the same
content and perhaps someone saying, this is how damaging this
word is to me, this is how it affects me.
And I cannot believe that we're talking about this like
it's a high school rollout that from then on it's
ten games and that's just what it is, because you
all have seen the same content and you know better.
(28:52):
Is that there is a.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Module that goes around.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
So when you do all of your training as a player,
every year, you do educational modules.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Is that given the same level of attention I gave
mine at work when you just click where you just
click through.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Let's be honest, Yes, yes, one hundred percent. But it
is sort of quite explicitly said in that what is not,
what is acceptable and what's not, because I think as adults,
you know what's acceptable and what's not. But you do
have to do that education pathway of ticking this off.
That's done for the year, and now you can be
accredited as a player or as a staff member for
a club. But I really, like I would argue, we don't,
(29:28):
you don't need that. Like players know what's right and wrong,
they know what's right and wrong fundamentally, you like I
would argue any player that's used that word knows the
minute that it left their mouth that they're like, oh god,
I hope no one has heard that on the playing field.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Because I'm going to miss miss weeks for that.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
And society, like society deeply knows what's right and wrong,
and that's that's it's that it is literally that black
and white. You can't say that, you can't racially villify someone,
you can't discriminate because of their sexuality or their gender.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
That is what the world is.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
It's not specific to AFL football, So I don't see.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The issue here.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, as it left my mouth, I was like, that's
what I would do if it was for twelve year olds, right,
That's that's what we would roll out so that they understood.
But we still default to how do we make this
so clear because it's clearly not working.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I would like to get some clarity for our listeners
because among them, I am sure we have gay listeners
listening in.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I hope, so deeply hope.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So I love that welcome, but I know personally, like
one of my good friends, he has been a lifelong
Crows fan, has gone through the ups and downs with
that club.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He's in his early.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Forties now, he is an openly gay man, and he
is so sad and despondent and dejected after this because
he feels like, what, you're my club, Why are you
rejecting me? Would you give a message to people like that,
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or especially younger kids who younger gay kids.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Who are obsessed with footing, that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It is still a space for them. It's always been
a space for them.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Yeah, particularly like the younger kids coming through. I think
that's the things that they're around at the moment are
very different the accepting nature of the world now, and
I think as we see that filter through to football clubs,
we will see genuine change, I really hope, and back
to sort of the way around they're not being an
(31:33):
openly gay men's player. I feel like the only way
that's ever going to happen is that a player's drafted
that's already openly Yeah, that's openly gay. But let's hope
they can make their way through the pathway up until
that point. But to fans of clubs, or particularly fans
of the Adelaide Crows, I think it's important to know
that the AFL landscape as a whole, like we love
(31:56):
and accept openly gay people like I can't talk on
behalf of the AFL, but the experiences that I've had
and the way that I think as women in the
space that are out and are proud of who they are,
I think, like, that's what you're hanging hat on, Like
we love everything about football, we love the game, and
(32:17):
we are who we are and that's sort of how
it's always been for us.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And I really I feel a lot of.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Empathy for these guys that are supporters of their club
and feel like they can't be who they are because
of what's happened now or at games because they don't
feel safe, Like that absolutely would be just so disappointing
and upsetting. If that's what's come out of this, is
that players feel sorry, fans feel like they can't be
who they want to be at games, or they don't
(32:47):
feel like they're represented by their club, because that is
a huge letdown and that is really disappointing, And that
is ultimately what it comes back to with them challenging this,
and I think if you're accepting or if you're happy
to uphold a zero tolerance policy, there is no argument
to this, and I think that's what's hurt people the most.
That their club is arguing against this and they don't
(33:08):
feel represented in that argument and.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
It's supposed to be. It feels like final start this weekend.
There are so many ramifications for different clubs, like we're
meant to be talking about Granted, we did an episode
saying that there was a huge disparity between the teams
that could and couldn't make it. There were some games
where it's like does this even need to be? Like
come on, can we all just shake hands and call
it a day? But now we are getting to the
(33:31):
point now where you've got such amazing games and amazing
footy on and yet these are the conversations that we
still need to be having. So I think that we
hope that the AFL just go right. This is what
it is. There's no challenging this. We won't hear it.
You can't argue against it. We won't hear it. This
is the sanction, and that this will becomes something that
(33:52):
when we talk to our kids about it in twenty years,
they go, they what, And that's hopefully where it gets.
Or question we have a finals question. It is.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Telepathy.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I was like, it would be remiss of us while
we have you here on the pod just to give
us your ocle the oracle predictions, your.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Thoroitative voice I know in this country.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Sorry, Bruce, Yes you can be you can. You can
give me grand finalists in both AFL and a fl
W or give me the winner.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Okay, both hard to say the exact final grand finalists
without like final positions.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I like how Geelong and Tracking they are looking really
really good.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I feel like everyone's just forgotten about it and you're like,
I forgot about top four again.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
So they were challenged on the weekend by Sydney, and
Sydney had the weapons that geelongs sometimes struggled to defend,
and they just flex their muscle in the second half
and show that they are well and truly being undervalued
or I think.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
By the wider community.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
I think because of their draw on the last bit,
you kind of just brush over their games because they
won and won convincingly. But that game on the weekend
was ultra impressed and they will now get finals.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
At the MCG, which is another debate around.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah. I just death taxes in this team refuses to rebuild.
Literally they never bought them out. They never they never do.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Okay Geelong, yep.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah, and I think I am a Brisbane fan, so
I'll say.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
That to start with, thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
But I think the injuries are starting to take a
little bit of a toll at Brisbane. Hip Wood out again,
Berry not sure about his shoulder, shoulder, But I still
want to have faith in them.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
But that's like a sort of fan perspective as well.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
We love those on here, but they're.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Really strong against the top nine, which we've seen. And
then I think out of that, like obviously Adelaide are
going to be a powerhouse and they will be, and
how they respond from this off field stuff is.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Sometimes this can be galvanizing, sometimes it can be Yeah,
So we'll see what plays out there.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
I think they've been one of the best teams all year,
clearly at the top of the table.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
So from fifteenth to it's an enormous turnaround and the
w we had literally yeah, we've had one round.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
You couldn't go past North Melbourne really like they're undefeated
for fifteen games straight now, the most that's ever been
in the afl W. A powerhouse club, sort of a
sleeping giant. I think in the afl W is Fremantle.
I think not many people have talked about them. They've
got a couple of their really obviously their captain back
in and just done it. But also Kiara Bauers, who's
(36:22):
come back laid thirteen tackles in her first game back
post having a childmind you, And yeah, I think they
are one that's sort of a bit of a roughie
that not many are talking about.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
But you can't go past North Melbourne. There you have it.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
There you have it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Kate McCarthy, I cannot thank you enough for joining us
on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Having back to just talk footing. We can we have
one where we live when I just want to, I
want to talk more about the fact that everyone gets
a farm and everyone gets a final, because it's just
bloody unbelievable what they're pulling off.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Oprah Winfrey.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
And as a reformed Freo supporter, it's like, what do
you mean that they can be top four basically full
year and still almost miss How does.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
This keep happening?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Jelmy has entered a tunny realm of pitch su I.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Wish you luck for Sunday.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, well they're not even I'm a Tiger, so things
are worse. I'm married into that that's another conversation. We
adore you, we love listening to you, and again, congratulations
on all you're doing, and thank you so much for
finding the time. And we really look forward to a
stage in life where we don't have to have these conversations.
But we so appreciate your voice in this one, so
do I.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
But we won't stop campaigning when we do have these conversations,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Absolute legend, absolute legend. And part of this fun fact
still kind of related because it refers to the afl
W and one of the players in that league. We've
had our first round. I'm very excited for the competition
that it has now kicked off. Sydney Swan's had.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
A great win, had a great win and they're opening round.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And I would like to make everyone aware, if you
don't already, that they have a player fun fact named Zippyfish.
Pardon her name is Zippyfish, and you best believe she's Zippy.
I was watching and I did not know. I was ignorant.
I did not know who Zippyfish was. And I was
(38:26):
watching the game and I was like, who.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Is that speech at the.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Back so fast in these light blue gray shoes. I
was like she is a gun. Her name Zippyfish.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Was she born zippy?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think her name is zippy fish?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Stunning, I mean, and you can imagine the absolute smallgasport
of puns that are right there for the comedy.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Oh oh zippy.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yep, she's swimming up, was swimming through the defense.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Oh incredible, incredible zippyfish, Zippyfish.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I was blind, but now I see And it's just
what else is in the sea? A zippy zippyish.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
She's my favorite player, my new favorite player.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Love it about to Google.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
We love Zippy, we love you, we love you. Great
fun fact. Oh, completely irrelevant, which is perfect, just perfect
for us. I love you, love having these chats. Let's
not do it again.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Also fun fact sports for everyone.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Maybe if everyone could.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Just remember that and act accordingly
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Until next week, be a good sporish
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
That's where we begin this episode, have too Good Sports.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
That was unhinge.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Let me shry. Hello, dear listeners, and welcome to two
Good Sports. It's sports and he's sold differently. I'm not
Georgie Tunny. I'm maybe tell me George it is me
Georgie Tunny.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Hi Hi hi hi hi Hi.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh, I'm good, I'm good. I'm a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I've had an up and down week because full disclosure,
dear listeners, the topic that we are talking about today
is one that I wish we did not have to
cover again. We are going to be getting into everything Adelaide, Croz,
Isaac Rankin, homophobic slurs in the AFL.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's coming up, that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
But outside of that and in actual life, I've been busy.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
She's been amazing, and she's been racing. She's been racing.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh yes, the news dropped that. The official promos.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm so excited. More You and Rob on my screens,
You and Morone. It was meant to be, meant to be,
meant to be Tea Morone. The first promo was out.
I think we feature a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's mainly a close up of Robert's face going down
some crazy high zip line somewhere, screaming.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Does it already feel like an outer body thing? Looking
back on it, going, I can't believe we did that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it feels like it's happened
to someone else.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I saw those shots.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I was like, no, when was I there?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
How'd I get there?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
How'd I get there?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But it's been overwhelming, actually, the response to it. Everyone
is very excited and I'm excited to relive it, but
also slightly concerned because you know how competitive I am,
and now.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The world will know I have never done anything that
will unveil how unattractively competitive I am. That's the average person.
You have put yourself in a race. Oh no, you.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Know when you see those movie posters and it's like
five stars greate at film on Earth. I'm just ready
to have my face on a poster with unattractively competitive
the Georgie Tunny story. There are literally points throughout this
race and this television show guys which if they can
make the cut, I think they will where Robert's looking
at me like do I know you?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I'm unsure give the ring back? Brace ourselves for that.
I can't wait, genuinely can't wait. How are you? I'm
really good and I'm really excited to show you this
good sport. Yes, because there are some moments in sport
where I can watch the clip over and over and
I smile every time every time. There are initiation processes
(03:22):
that happen at clubs around the world when you join
and you're a rookie, and there are things that you
need to do. Some of those very outdated and you
don't have to do anymore. But some of them I
think deeply need to be protected because Georgia, if you
ever heard of Colston Loveland.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
No a person, a place, a thing, Nor.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Did I before this. But he is a draft d
I think, or a rookie, one of the two for
the Chicago Bears in the NFL, and has part of
his initiation he had to get up and sing a
song in front of the group. Please enjoy the not
so dulcent tones but the clear everyone getting around him
of Colson Lovel.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I watched this, Oh DearS.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Just I know that this isn't a visual medium, so
it's hard to get across there. But imagine an enormous
white guy, enormous dancing very awkwardly to Mario and an
entire room of NFL players deciding that it's the greatest
thing that they've ever heard. And that's essentially what just
unraveled there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Do you know what I'm going to say here in
my ultimate review, Sam Laula's safe. He's safe because on
this podcast we know that he's the true Australian idol.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
But that is exceptional.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well done.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Good Try the greatest sports movie of all time? Remember
the Titans. It's remembered. No, hey, hey, good bad remember.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
The days I sent you free?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's what it is. It's sunshine, sun It's sunshine.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Oh my god, I love you.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like the greatest sports movie ever.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I've got you know who that is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
We need to go on, squizz Chows. The telepathy is real.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
It is the greatest sports movie of all time.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean, it's up there. Coach Card is also exceptional.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I mean it's one of my favorite genres. How
long we got?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
How long we got on this episode?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Draft Day, underrated caps.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Stunning in that film. There's so many layers. It's so
many anyway, I can and will forever be able to
watch Americans get up and sing in front of a
group and captivate everyone in real time. That felt like
a movie. That was so good. We'll share it to
our story. So if you want to find it, go
have a listener.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Best I've got a very quick good sport, which I
know that you will love and you would I've already seen.
But given that, we are going to spend a lot
of our discussion today about an incident that happened in
the Collingwood Adelaide clash over the weekend. I wanted to
also say there were some lovely moments in that match too,
namely Collingwood losing, but also there was a moment pre
(06:17):
match where techs Walker Cross.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Captain his little boy.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Louie Walker is a huge Collingwood fan and he's a
huge Nick Dkos fan, and there is a moment before
that game where they're going underneath the sheds and they
can see going past the Collingwood dressing room and Nick
Dakos comes running out and gives this little tiny human
like the best best day of his life, gives him
(06:42):
a hug, asks him questions.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Louis overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They get a photo and so much so that the
Collingwood knew what they were doing. That their banner when
they ran through in the crowd said, a little crow
is quite the talker. Welcome to the army, Louie Walker,
which is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Just how did they lose with a banner like that?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Arguably the greatest sledge of all time.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's how we like to see our sledges.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There's also I love text wife Elsie's legend. She put
up a video of so the Crows have this almighthy
win Yes and in the lift on the way home,
Loui is just going because he's just devastated the Pies lost.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's fantastic, the best, this little Crows fan with the
Adelaide jersey with Daddy on the back and he's got
a Nick Dekos badge and he's like, there's my there's
my guy.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Even got the haircut. Oh, it's just.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
The hair that's a friend of the ear is a
famous jemy.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
F Yes, yes, and also they smell they spell Louis correctly,
which is all I can asshole because that's going to
be a battle, explaining to my two year oldest silent
s so but no, I loved that moment. It was gorgeous,
but there is an issue out of that game that
we are going to discuss and that's our main chat
today for many AFL fans. The finals really began last
(08:11):
week and one of the most anticipated games of the
season was the only two teams that we've had lead
the ladder in twenty twenty five. It was the Adelaide
Crows taking on the Collingwood Bagpies. It was in Adelaide
and it was hotly anticipated that whoever won this match
was going to be the flag favorites in a nailbier.
The Crows got home by three points and we thought
(08:33):
that would be the talking point out of the round
about the fact that they are going to finish and
have two bites of the cherry running into the finals.
That was not the talking point that came out of
this match.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
The Adelaide Football Club is tonight facing the prospect of
being without superstar Isaac Rankin for the entire final.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Series and there's facing a possible five week ban for
an alleged on field sledge aimed at a Collingwood player.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
He's got okay, he's got some support from the club.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Disappointed, he's very remorseful and he understands that he's made
a mistake and he'll accept whatever comes his way. I mean,
it's so ideal, but it's obviously in the AFL's hands
and will let them investigated and.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
That so it ops.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Isaac Rankin has been cited by the AFL for using
a homophobic slurb. Rancan is a powerhouse, excitement machine and
a game winner for Adelaide and he potentially missing finals
is one of the biggest stories that we've seen in
the AFL this year. It brings to light Georgie once again,
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how sport can be used as a springboard, most unfortunately
to discuss things that we need to be better at
still as a society, and the way that this story
has been covered by sports media but also just in
conversation is something that we want to highlight because I
think it still shows that people don't understand how hurtful
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words can be and how important it is that sport
remains a safe space for everyone, because it's clearly still
not words matter.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's what we continue to learn every single day. Words matter.
They have an effect, they can change someone's day, they
can change someone's life. So how this has been handled
by many different parties this week, I've got numerous thoughts
on I feel like I want to toss the phrase
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not ideal in the bin. I can understand the awkwardness
for teammates, coaching staff involved at that club, but not
ideal is just not good enough. It's not good enough
for where we are as a game, for where we
are as a society, and I would have hoped to
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not be talking about this, but instead this isn't an
isolated incident. Yes, it's got the biggest ramifications, but This
is looking likely to be the sixth type of incident.
In the last sixteen or eighteen months of.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
This kind, we've had seven cases. This included being reported
to the AFL, one of them being a senior coach
and the most senior coach in Alista Clarkson, who had
a suspended sentence. But from there, the AFL did hand
down three weeks sanction to Jeremy Finlayson a season ago
and essentially said from this point on, it's only going
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to get the penalties are only going to get more
extreme because we don't stand for this anymore. And now
we stand on the precipice of a final series with
one of the most exciting players in the game looking
like they're going to miss the final series, and we're
okay with that. What we're not okay with is the
supposed discussion between the club and the AFL about whether
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or not that sanction's fair, because what's not fair is
people not feeling comfortable in their workplace.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's disappointing that we're in this situation, to be honest,
as a fan of the game, as a person who
covers the game, works with the game, it's just disappointing.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That we're even here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We're even here and at the moment we know. What
we know is that a five match band was tabled
by the AFL to the Crows. They were given the
opportunity to present a case arguing for that to be downgraded.
Numerous arguments have been tabled in the media as to
what they're going to officially use Snoop Dogg Top Dog
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being hired, potentially among.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Them lyrics to a song he wrote in nineteen ninety
eight that used the F word, and that is all
we will ever call it.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes, whether or not Isaac Franklin was antagonized into this position,
was had people saying things to him about a previous
game getting knocked out, all of that, which has led
him to use this word in a retaliatory.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Response all of those things.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's just if there was a stronger stance in the AFL,
we didn't need to have this conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
We're about to have a very special guest join this
conversation with us, but we just want to highlight this
is not a character attack on Isaac or anyone who
has said this. We know that good people can do
dumb things. This is a deep investigation into why this
keeps happening in the AFL because it's getting to the
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point now where it's prolific and it needs to stop.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Our guest today, dear listener, is one of the premiere
voices in footy in this country, a former player now
a commentator and a definitive voice. I think I don't
want to call her a moral compass, maybe just a
common sense compass. But we are absolutely thrilled that we
have the wonderful Kate McCarthy here on.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Too Good spots.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Thank you very much for having me. And I'm not
a moral compass, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I wish it was under better circuit stances.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Where we could just say how amazing you're doing and
we just love watching and listening and around so far
saves me and you're just you're doing so brilliantly and
we love listening to you and what you do. And
again we wish that we were here just waxing lyrical
about the finals, because that's what we should be talking
about it this time of year. But of course the
AFO world has been swept up in this Isaac Rankin
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story of what will be handed down and what this
story really means for the AFL and its dance on homophobia,
because this has been an ongoing story for so long,
hasn't it.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, it certainly has.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
And I think if we go all the way back
to midway through last year, I think was the initial
I think sanction that was handed down to a player,
and then we've had multiple incidents since then. And the
interesting thing for me is that when that initial sanction
was handed out to Jeremy Finlayson, which I think was
three or four it was three weeks, they did make
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a point that from then on every sanction would actually
incre in time, and that's what we had gotten to.
There was obviously a couple where players had self reported,
so the AFL saw that as a way that they
I guess kind of come forward themselves and identified it themselves,
which meant that they get one week less, which I'm
not actually I don't really have.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
A problem with.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I think it's still saying we know you did the
wrong thing. You know you did the wrong thing, so
let's repair this, but you need to set your time
out of the game. And then we get to this
one where it was a five week sanction, which first
of all, isn't actually increasing the penalty because the last one.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Was five weeks as well.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
So first of all, they've gone against that that they
said it would be a sliding scale for that reason,
to try and continue to deter. And then we've gotten
to the point where now the AFL are allowing the
Crows to submit something, to argue against it and challenge it,
which for me, I think looks bad on both parties.
I think it shows that the AFL is considering actually
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reducing this because it's finals, which for me, like if
you're making a stance against something, the more I think
harsh or the more that the penalty actually hurts the
player and hurts the club, the more it means that
you're going towards a place where you're probably going to
stamp it out because they know that the repercussions are there.
They should know anyway, I can't believe that we are
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still having this chat.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's part of what I wanted to gauge from UK
is that Gelmy and I we whax the recle on
this podcast all the time. We get frustrated all the time.
But was there a part of you when the first
headline broke that something was happening, something was going on
a player was getting investigated again for a homophobic slur.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Were you surprised?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Unfortunately not?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
And I think that's probably the first point is it
just seems to be something that some players go to
as a retaliation or a way to put a player down,
or I just don't I don't understand because personally, I've
never ever used that word and I will never ever
use that word. And I think ninety nine sense of
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society and football know that that word is not appropriate anymore.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
It actually not anymore.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
It was never appropriate, yes, but some back in however
long ago, it was okay to use around the people
because the LGBTQIA plus community was so marginalized, and like, yeah,
that's the bit that really gets me is that I
don't think people understand what impact that word has on
the gay community and what like you go through as
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someone growing up in Australia and we are a very
welcoming and open country, but as a queer person when
you're growing up, like the amount of names you get called,
or the amount of things you hear said about you,
either behind your back or directly to you, like that
is damaging and your whole life you question whether you're
normal and whether you're okay and whether you'll be accepted,
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whether people always ask when did you come out? You
come out every day, Like there's people that don't know
that I'm gay that will be listening to this, and
I've just come out to them. It's something that's just
ongoing throughout your life, and when you hear things like
this come up, it just sort of makes you be like, yeah,
well that's where we're at still, or there are still
people with these beliefs and we're living in a world
where that's how people kind of still treat that community
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at times. And fortunately it's not the wider community anymore,
absolutely not, but it is just that little reminder that's like,
oh cool, Like we're still here and we're still trying
to educate as to why this word shouldn't be used.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I think that's the exhausting part. And we always say,
and Georgie's favorite catch phrase is sport is a mirror
of society. What we see happening in the sporting landscape,
and the stories that happen in a sporting landscape often
reflect what's happening out there in pubs, in clubs, in
you know, people talking about it at work, and at schools,
and I think that, and we saw this with the
GWS scandal, where you see what's reflected and this dance
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that people take going gee, that feels harsh or g
that isn't that? That's so over? Imagine missing finals for
saying that and you sort of oh, so you still
you still don't get it?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Yeah, the argument that I've seen so much on Twitter,
which is just disgusting for things like this. And anytime
I sort of put anything out on a topic like this,
I'll just turn comments off because I don't need what.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
We're going to see.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But the general stuff around games gone soft?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Oh, like, what do you mean the game's gone soft? Like,
go say that in your workplace and let me know
if you still have a job the next day.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yes, this is what I wanted us to touch on.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We'd lose our jobs because but at the end of
the day, this is a workplace. Whoever you are directing
this comment at. If you think that you can get
away with that at someone walking down a corridor in
an office building, you've got another thing coming. Yeah, Like
you would have first warning, then no more, no more warnings.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And even if you get one and you'd be marched.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Well, I think if someone actually probably made a complaint
about that, I don't even know if you get a
warning no discrimination. Most workplaces have a zero tolerance policy,
which apparently the AFL does as well.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Apparently in their.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Handbook it's zero tolerance. So for me, if it's zero tolerance,
there is no process to this. There is just here's
your five weeks.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's that is that what the AFL needs to There's
no public scale where we know what this is. And
this is where I find it quite perplexing, because if
you say, oh no, we're going to have a sliding
scale on the degree of the offense, so we're going
to be grading how offensive slurs are. They've put themselves
in this position and it doesn't make any kind of sense.
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Should we now have set bands for if you use
this kind of language?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I think that's what it needs to get to. So
there's no gray area, there's no nothing. If they are
going to keep increasing it, there needs to be legislation
that says each time a player is found guilty of this,
it will increase by two weeks, or the sanction will
increase by this, and there is no justification to it,
because there's no way that you can justify if you
sat here and tried to argue with me of a
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way that would justify a player using a slur like that.
There is absolutely no way that you can know, and
that maybe there was some other vilification in the process,
then that becomes its own integrity issue and that other
player is investigated.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
But there is still no way that I could sit
here and.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Accept that you said that word for whatever else was
said to you in the process, it's just not acceptable.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Do you accept Isaac Runkin's remorse? Not from him directly,
but we've heard from teammates and coaches and saying that
they believe that he's just going to he will accept
whatever comes his way.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We're recording this before we know the official suspension. Do
do you accept that.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I accept that he is most definitely would be remorseful,
because what has happened, the outcome of it would be
something that would be really confronting and really horrible to
go through. However, it's what happens when you do something
like this. Unfortunately, and I don't know him as a person.
I don't know him around the club, I don't know
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his values and everything like that. So I'm not sitting
here and targeting him with any of this, and I
am more than sure he understands that he's made a mistake.
Unfortunately it's just happened after the fact, which then means.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
That there is a process that plays out.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Here and he will miss games, he will miss important games,
and that's a.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Very important player.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
That's the reality of what he's done.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Now. It's also this feeling and it's so uncomfortable that
sport is not for you. It's this feeling of really
behind closed doors, there is language used and there are
conversations that are had that still marginalizes people. So not
everyone is welcome here. And the AFL can have every
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pride round, every women's violence round, and you know, everything
that they want to do to virtue signal these things.
But until it's actually stamped out culturally, our game still
isn't for everyone. In the fact that we still don't
have current or past male player that's been comfort enough
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to come out and say, yeah, I'm gay, And the
sheer volume of men that have played in the league
means there must be oh, of course, and of course
there is, of course, of course, but they would be
exhausted by the weight of every time this happens, people
reaching out and going you need to be the one
on the soapbox reminding people as to why this word
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hurts so much, and that does.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
And a couple of points on that, like the first
one around the word that's being used. And my argument
is anyone in the heat of the moment or when
you're angry, when you're upset, you don't use a word
that you never use. You go to something that maybe
you say casually, maybe you say in other conversations that
are explicit or whatever it is. But when you're under
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the pump, when you're under pressure, when it's fight or flight,
you don't come out with a word that you've never said.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Before that's valorous.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So the locker room talk, whether it is locker room talk,
whether it is Isaac and his mates, whoever, you don't
go to a word that you never use. And then
the other point to that is we say that the
AFL has pride rounds and stuff and this and that,
but that's only in the afl W space. There is
a pride game that's right that for a couple of
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years now didn't actually take place. It happened again this
year Essendon and Sydney. It was Sydney and Saint Kilda.
There is no men's pride, which again just shows, Oh,
we're happy for AFLW players to be the advocates for
this because they're all comfortable with who they are. They're
very open. It's a welcoming space. But what voice does
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it have in the men's space.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And what on that? How would the afl W team
be feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, that their club's trying to argue as to why
trying to.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Present a defense and look, on the one hand, from
a purely club perspective, I can understand that this is
a huge ramification for them for the finals.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, they're board. It's like where they're forget results,
we have to.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Go in for bat for Isaac, all that blah blah blah.
From a human perspective, for those Crows girls, what are
they meant to feel with this?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
If I was playing at that football club, and I
can only speak of if I was and if this
was happening, I don't know how any of the Adelaide
Crow's girls are feeling. So I'm not speaking on behalf
of anyone here, but if I was playing at a
club and that was their response to something like this,
I would be really, really disappointed. I would be angry,
and I'm the type of person that doesn't just sit
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on that. I would be talking to people that are
stakeholders at that club and trying to explain what this
makes you feel like as someone that's at the club
that's openly gay.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
They're then challenging an.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Sanction that has been placed on a player for saying
something that is extremely offensive to your community. So what
is that saying? I just I don't understand the whole
let's challenge this. I don't I get the results, I
get its finals. Sorry, but it's happened. Just accept it
and move on. Because you're making yourselves look silly in this.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, you can't say that you have a zero tolerance
policy against homophobia but then challenges sanction at the same
time those they're mutually exclusive. You can't do that. So
on the one hand, we can say some things are
bigger than football, but clearly at Clubland they're still not.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
No question without notice, and feel free not to answer
if you don't want to. Did you ever suffer slurs
like this throughout your playing career.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
No, never, never.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I think the AFLW is a completely different side of misses.
And I think the benefit that we had as AFLW
players is I was out before I ever got drafted.
Most of the players were out before they ever played
a game of AFLW, So when we were playing, we
were already out, which sounds like it's like, okay, cool,
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that's great, But we didn't have a profile. I didn't
have a profile, I didn't have anything. I was just
playing footy. And then I already had a partner at
the time, so I was quite public with that. And
then when I started playing football, that sort of came
with it, and that was.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Everyone else as well.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
There was never any question as to whether any of
us were going to hide who we were or this
or that. And I think there's probably girls that have
come through the system now that have sort of seen
that and seen if they're struggling with their sexuality or
struggling with feelings that they're having and not sure what
it means that they can see people that are out
and proud and are on the big stage in the
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afl W, and it's.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Fine, and it's as much as a character strait of
oh yeah, they've got blue eyes, as in, like, it's
just yeah, and your coffee orders are flat white? Can
I help you? Yeah, like, as in, that's where we
need to get it.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
And I think that's the benefit of it, and that
I would I would say that no AFLW player would
ever discriminate someone around that I would hope and we
would also hope for the men's space as well.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, but regardless though, if we had that set penalty,
that's just what it is. It is, yeah, you know,
and then we can learn you have those actual ramifications.
The football clubs themselves can take it seriously and be like,
let's get serious about education about this. Even though you
have all of the resources in the world, let's actually
show that it's not just we put our money where
our mouth is.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Are we still in the space of are we waiting
for something like the AFLPA to go. We're going to
take this on and up the education so there is
no but that's the thing. Are we still there where
we need the players to go? We are going to
have and all in where we explain categorically, or there's
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a video that goes out so everyone's seen the same
content and perhaps someone saying, this is how damaging this
word is to me, this is how it affects me.
And I cannot believe that we're talking about this like
it's a high school rollout that from then on it's
ten games and that's just what it is, because you
all have seen the same content and you know better.
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Is that there is a.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Module that goes around.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
So when you do all of your training as a player,
every year, you do educational modules.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Is that given the same level of attention I gave
mine at work when you just click where you just
click through.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Let's be honest, Yes, yes, one hundred percent. But it
is sort of quite explicitly said in that what is not,
what is acceptable and what's not, because I think as adults,
you know what's acceptable and what's not. But you do
have to do that education pathway of ticking this off.
That's done for the year, and now you can be
accredited as a player or as a staff member for
a club. But I really, like I would argue, we don't,
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you don't need that. Like players know what's right and wrong,
they know what's right and wrong fundamentally, you like I
would argue any player that's used that word knows the
minute that it left their mouth that they're like, oh god,
I hope no one has heard that on the playing field.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Because I'm going to miss miss weeks for that.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
And society, like society deeply knows what's right and wrong,
and that's that's it's that it is literally that black
and white. You can't say that, you can't racially villify someone,
you can't discriminate because of their sexuality or their gender.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
That is what the world is.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
It's not specific to AFL football, So I don't see.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The issue here.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, as it left my mouth, I was like, that's
what I would do if it was for twelve year olds, right,
That's that's what we would roll out so that they understood.
But we still default to how do we make this
so clear because it's clearly not working.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I would like to get some clarity for our listeners
because among them, I am sure we have gay listeners
listening in.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I hope, so deeply hope.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So I love that welcome, but I know personally, like
one of my good friends, he has been a lifelong
Crows fan, has gone through the ups and downs with
that club.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He's in his early.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Forties now, he is an openly gay man, and he
is so sad and despondent and dejected after this because
he feels like, what, you're my club, Why are you
rejecting me? Would you give a message to people like that,
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or especially younger kids who younger gay kids.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Who are obsessed with footing, that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It is still a space for them. It's always been
a space for them.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Yeah, particularly like the younger kids coming through. I think
that's the things that they're around at the moment are
very different the accepting nature of the world now, and
I think as we see that filter through to football clubs,
we will see genuine change, I really hope, and back
to sort of the way around they're not being an
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openly gay men's player. I feel like the only way
that's ever going to happen is that a player's drafted
that's already openly Yeah, that's openly gay. But let's hope
they can make their way through the pathway up until
that point. But to fans of clubs, or particularly fans
of the Adelaide Crows, I think it's important to know
that the AFL landscape as a whole, like we love
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and accept openly gay people like I can't talk on
behalf of the AFL, but the experiences that I've had
and the way that I think as women in the
space that are out and are proud of who they are,
I think, like, that's what you're hanging hat on, Like
we love everything about football, we love the game, and
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we are who we are and that's sort of how
it's always been for us.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And I really I feel a lot of.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Empathy for these guys that are supporters of their club
and feel like they can't be who they are because
of what's happened now or at games because they don't
feel safe, Like that absolutely would be just so disappointing
and upsetting. If that's what's come out of this, is
that players feel sorry, fans feel like they can't be
who they want to be at games, or they don't
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feel like they're represented by their club, because that is
a huge letdown and that is really disappointing, And that
is ultimately what it comes back to with them challenging this,
and I think if you're accepting or if you're happy
to uphold a zero tolerance policy, there is no argument
to this, and I think that's what's hurt people the most.
That their club is arguing against this and they don't
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feel represented in that argument and.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
It's supposed to be. It feels like final start this weekend.
There are so many ramifications for different clubs, like we're
meant to be talking about Granted, we did an episode
saying that there was a huge disparity between the teams
that could and couldn't make it. There were some games
where it's like does this even need to be? Like
come on, can we all just shake hands and call
it a day? But now we are getting to the
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point now where you've got such amazing games and amazing
footy on and yet these are the conversations that we
still need to be having. So I think that we
hope that the AFL just go right. This is what
it is. There's no challenging this. We won't hear it.
You can't argue against it. We won't hear it. This
is the sanction, and that this will becomes something that
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when we talk to our kids about it in twenty years,
they go, they what, And that's hopefully where it gets.
Or question we have a finals question. It is.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Telepathy.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I was like, it would be remiss of us while
we have you here on the pod just to give
us your ocle the oracle predictions, your.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Thoroitative voice I know in this country.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Sorry, Bruce, Yes you can be you can. You can
give me grand finalists in both AFL and a fl
W or give me the winner.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Okay, both hard to say the exact final grand finalists
without like final positions.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I like how Geelong and Tracking they are looking really
really good.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I feel like everyone's just forgotten about it and you're like,
I forgot about top four again.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
So they were challenged on the weekend by Sydney, and
Sydney had the weapons that geelongs sometimes struggled to defend,
and they just flex their muscle in the second half
and show that they are well and truly being undervalued
or I think.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
By the wider community.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
I think because of their draw on the last bit,
you kind of just brush over their games because they
won and won convincingly. But that game on the weekend
was ultra impressed and they will now get finals.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
At the MCG, which is another debate around.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah. I just death taxes in this team refuses to rebuild.
Literally they never bought them out. They never they never do.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Okay Geelong, yep.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah, and I think I am a Brisbane fan, so
I'll say.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
That to start with, thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
But I think the injuries are starting to take a
little bit of a toll at Brisbane. Hip Wood out again,
Berry not sure about his shoulder, shoulder, But I still
want to have faith in them.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
But that's like a sort of fan perspective as well.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
We love those on here, but they're.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Really strong against the top nine, which we've seen. And
then I think out of that, like obviously Adelaide are
going to be a powerhouse and they will be, and
how they respond from this off field stuff is.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Sometimes this can be galvanizing, sometimes it can be Yeah,
So we'll see what plays out there.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
I think they've been one of the best teams all year,
clearly at the top of the table.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
So from fifteenth to it's an enormous turnaround and the
w we had literally yeah, we've had one round.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
You couldn't go past North Melbourne really like they're undefeated
for fifteen games straight now, the most that's ever been
in the afl W. A powerhouse club, sort of a
sleeping giant. I think in the afl W is Fremantle.
I think not many people have talked about them. They've
got a couple of their really obviously their captain back
in and just done it. But also Kiara Bauers, who's
(36:22):
come back laid thirteen tackles in her first game back
post having a childmind you, And yeah, I think they
are one that's sort of a bit of a roughie
that not many are talking about.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
But you can't go past North Melbourne. There you have it.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
There you have it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Kate McCarthy, I cannot thank you enough for joining us
on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Having back to just talk footing. We can we have
one where we live when I just want to, I
want to talk more about the fact that everyone gets
a farm and everyone gets a final, because it's just
bloody unbelievable what they're pulling off.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Oprah Winfrey.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
And as a reformed Freo supporter, it's like, what do
you mean that they can be top four basically full
year and still almost miss How does.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
This keep happening?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Jelmy has entered a tunny realm of pitch su I.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Wish you luck for Sunday.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, well they're not even I'm a Tiger, so things
are worse. I'm married into that that's another conversation. We
adore you, we love listening to you, and again, congratulations
on all you're doing, and thank you so much for
finding the time. And we really look forward to a
stage in life where we don't have to have these conversations.
But we so appreciate your voice in this one, so
do I.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
But we won't stop campaigning when we do have these conversations,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Absolute legend, absolute legend. And part of this fun fact
still kind of related because it refers to the afl
W and one of the players in that league. We've
had our first round. I'm very excited for the competition
that it has now kicked off. Sydney Swan's had.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
A great win, had a great win and they're opening round.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And I would like to make everyone aware, if you
don't already, that they have a player fun fact named Zippyfish.
Pardon her name is Zippyfish, and you best believe she's Zippy.
I was watching and I did not know. I was ignorant.
I did not know who Zippyfish was. And I was
(38:26):
watching the game and I was like, who.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Is that speech at the.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Back so fast in these light blue gray shoes. I
was like she is a gun. Her name Zippyfish.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Was she born zippy?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think her name is zippy fish?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Stunning, I mean, and you can imagine the absolute smallgasport
of puns that are right there for the comedy.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Oh oh zippy.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yep, she's swimming up, was swimming through the defense.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Oh incredible, incredible zippyfish, Zippyfish.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I was blind, but now I see And it's just
what else is in the sea? A zippy zippyish.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
She's my favorite player, my new favorite player.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Love it about to Google.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
We love Zippy, we love you, we love you. Great
fun fact. Oh, completely irrelevant, which is perfect, just perfect
for us. I love you, love having these chats. Let's
not do it again.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Also fun fact sports for everyone.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Maybe if everyone could.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Just remember that and act accordingly
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Until next week, be a good sporish
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