December 15, 2025 • 39 mins
Some conversations don’t end when the microphones turn off.
Simon and Lachy pause to reflect on the moments that have shaped season 2 so far - the ones that lingered, sparked conversations at home, or quietly shifted the way we think about parenting.
They revisit powerful stories of grief, neurodiversity, boundaries, sobriety, movement, consent and safety. From Paul Field’s deeply personal story of loss, to Hugh van Cuylenburg sharing how he told his child they were autistic, to reflections from guests like OG Purple Wiggle Jeff Fatt, Maz Compton, Sean Szeps, Turia Pitt, and Will & Woody - alongside practical guidance from experts like Sandhya Menon and Victoria Barendson - these are the conversations that have set the tone for the season.
This isn’t a wrap-up - just a moment to pause, reflect, and keep going.
HOSTS
Simon Pryce
Lachlan Gillespie
GUESTS
Paul Field - @paulfieldofficial
Hugh van Cuylenburg - @hughvancuylenburg
Sandhya Menon - @onwardsandupwardspsych
Dr Amy Norman - @dramynorman
Gen Muir - @connectedparentingau
Will & Woody - @willandwoody
Sean Szeps - @seanszeps
Turia Pitt - @turiapitt
Maz Compton - @mazcompton
Victoria Barendsen - @thesafekidsproject
Jeff Fatt - @jeff.wiggle.official
EPISODES WE INCLUDED
The Conversation No Parent Wants to Have - But Every Parent Needs to Hear
Hugh van Cuylenburg: Seeing The World Through His Neurodivergent Child’s Eyes
The Book That’s Opening Big Conversations About Little Brains
How Much Movement Toddlers Really Need
Connect Before You Direct: Gen Muir’s Secret to Happier Kids
What No One Tells You About Fatherhood
Two Dads & Two Kids, with Sean Szeps
Turia Pitt on Why Being a Little Selfish Might Make You a Better Parent
How Sobriety Made Me the Parent I Wanted To Be
How To Talk To Children About Their Bodies, Consent & Safety
Jeff Fatt: A Quiet Life In Purple
PRODUCERS
Produced by The Wiggles and Mylk Media
Madeline Joannou
Nick Webb
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Wiggles acknowledge the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia
and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay
our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to wiggle Talk Podcast for parents. My name is
Locky and I wear purple in the Wiggles.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, Lockey. My name is Simon and I wear red
in the Wiggles. Yes, it's great to be here, Lockey.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Oh, it's great to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
We're in the pod, yep, and this is We talk
a lot of things in the pod, you know, unveil
a lot of things about ourselves. Yes, and I have
spoken about We moved house. Yes, we bought a new couch. Lovely,
it is lovely. It's a lovely couch. It's a lovely
cream colored couch.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Very well done.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, thank you. But see it's not the smartest color,
is it. Because I've got a bit of couch paranoia. Yes,
I understand why people used to keep their coverings on
their couch. We got to a point where they are
old couch where it didn't really matter. You could eat
on it, you could, you know, and so Asha would
eat on a drink on it. Whatever I've spiled a bit.
You could also unzip that one jugging in the wash
and get back on, but not. Now. This is an
(01:11):
expensive couch and I've got couch paranoia about stains.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Will the blankets over it or not?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yet? There's a little stylish throw.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, yeah, it doesn't cover all the couch.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, it doesn't. But I think it's probably a good
thing just to actually Asher understands the importance to me
of this new couch. Yes, and so we're not eating
on the couch okay, yes, well one either. There's the
rules for him, it has for me. Do it for
lows as well.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Sneaky hot chocolate after Ash has gone to bed watching
a movie or something.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, so you mentioned red wine or imagine if a
little spillage I know, see apparently has been treated. I
don't know what that means. What does that actually mean?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It should have a covering on it, so if you
do spill something, it should come.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Off yeah easier. Yeah, So now I mean we just
don't sit on the couch. Well, that looked, but anyway,
I will relax. But I think it's a nice thing
not to eat your dinner at the couch anyway. Oh, yes,
and snacks and things, and we can move that. There's
an island bench, sure, there is actually I think it's
(02:16):
called the dining room table. Yes, you can actually sit
there and eat your dinner and anat food.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I just remembered Mum and dad the only house they built,
we had a dining room, had a lovely table.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And we never sat it there.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
That was nice. Yeah, thinking back now, it was a
lovely room, a little bit of formal dining.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, when we have people over, we did use it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The good china came out.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
None of the couch.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So anyway, that's that's where we're at. But if you
come over, which I'd love you too one day, how
would you welcome to sit on the couch?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I will not just dont No, we're talking about season two. Yes,
we will talk. We've had two seasons, but we're still
in season two. We are, and we've had a bit
of everything.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yep, we've got a new Neon.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And we've got big feelings. It was just about the
new Neon. There's been big questions and we've had some
truly unforgettable guests.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
We have and it all began with one of the
most emotional conversations we've had on this podcast, and that
was with our friend and former general manager of The
Wiggles and Anthony's big brother, Paul Field, sharing his incredibly
sad but moving story of his daughter Bernadette and the
night that changed his family's life forever.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Here is that moment.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
The next morning was the first National Red Nose Day
in Australia. It's kind of spooky stuff. And while watching
one of the morning TV shows and the hosts had
red noses on and they're talking about it, she literally
went from that and walked into the room where Bernadette
was sleeping. She said, as you know, parents, particularly mothers,
(03:47):
would know your sense something and something's wrong, and she
just went, I had a feeling and she wasn't moving
and she wasn't breathing. Pauline picked her up, screaming and
raced into the kitchen while that's tape where everyone was,
and they screamed around to the hospital and very shortly
after they arrived they had said she's died, right, and
(04:10):
the doctor very quickly also said it's sudden infant death syndrome, right.
And so I was on tour at this time. You know,
I hadn't been told, and Pauline was just overwhelmed with
you know, the shock.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So they were there for quite a while and in
the interim they called me and Pauline spoke to my
father who was with me on tour. So he's the
one who told me what had happened, which is just
I just I don't know how he did that, you know,
I just wailed. And they put Pauline onto the phone
once we got to talk to each other, and she
(04:51):
was saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like you know that
whole thing, like it's you know, her mother. I should
have been able to protect and and I was saying,
that's not your fault.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, this next segment Somewhere with Hugh Van Klember, got
a lot of a lot of social media attention. Again,
a very open and incredibly generous of you to share
his time with us. It was the first time he
spoke on another platform after releasing that beautiful letter that
he wrote. He put that out on their Imperfect podcast,
(05:25):
But it was all about an open letter about raising
a neurodivergent child, and that itself got an incredible reaction online.
We spoke all about that, all about that letter all
about how they're going as a family, and people love
listening to him talk.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, he's been been very lucky to have you on
the podcast a couple of times. He's the founder of
the Resilience Project. He's a podcast, The Imperfect He's one
of our favorite guests, and I mean it was so
lovely that he felt comfortable to be able to talk
to us for the first time after he released this
(06:01):
letter out to the world and to give a little
bit more detail and what they've been going through as
a family. And that involves the impact it has on siblings,
the judgment people might have when you have a new
divergent child, as not coping out in public. All those
kinds of things that he spoke about were so so important,
And yeah, it had a huge amount of traction online
(06:23):
because there are a lot of families who are going
through exactly the same thing, and it makes other families
feel and people feel, Okay, we're not alone, We're heard,
We're listened to a scene. I think that was what
a lot of people were saying in the commentary through socials,
we wanted you to share that story and really in
the crux of it, how he actually spoke to his
(06:45):
child about being autistic, and that's a bit we're going
to listen to now.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Years of preparation and the build up was huge, and
we've found this book. It was a book about different brains,
so every page is a different type of brain. Talked
about what those brains are like and what those people
are like, and everything was very positively framed, which Penny
and I really love. And we said, we don't want
to make a big deal about this. We don't want
to say we want to talk to about something. We
want to bring them in on this information instead of
(07:13):
educating the lots of different brains and you have a
certain type of brain. One of the pages was about
an OCD brain, and my wife, Penny has OCD, So
we said, why don't you put that child to bed
that night you read in that book, and then maybe
when you get to the page and autism, you could say,
and that's what we believe your brain is, and then
you can have a conversation. I'll be in the room
(07:34):
next door putting the other child, one of the others
to bed, but I'll be there to come in. And
I remember, I've ever done this with your kids. But
you're reading a book, but you actually are not listening
to a single like you're able to read it but
not concentrate on. So you can read a whole book
and go, I have no idea what happened in that book?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Doing that.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
It's amazing how often that happens. Actually, when my child's oh,
but what did Polly say?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Who's Polly in the book? I've done it with as
you were said, Oh this isn't we haven't read this
book before, and it is like we read it two nights ago.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
So my wife Pennies in the room there and I'm
doing the reading, but not this, not paying toothing. I'm
listening to every single word that's happening. I'm ready to
run in and say, you know, there's a big moment,
and in my head is a huge moment. And I
heard Pennies say to our child, and that's the brain
you have. You are autistic. You have an autistic brain.
And I waited to hear their response and the response was, yeah, cool,
(08:28):
can I get a lunch order tomorrow? I'm thinking, my gosh,
we have just Penny sort of back over and go, yeah, yeah,
yes that can happen.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And what I just said how do you feel about that? Yeah? Fine,
what so do I bastball in.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
That's gosh, we really have built this up well.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
During the chat with Hugh, all the comments on social
media were, oh, my goodness, it's the book that he
was talking about that he read to his child in
explaining autism was a book called The Brain Forest. And
so many people wrote in and said, this is the book,
this is the book, this is the book he's talking about.
So we tracked down the incredible writer of The Brainforest,
(09:15):
which was Sanja Menon, and got her into the pod.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, it was great to have her in andto I mean,
she was blown away by the response. I think that
people were reading this book and that how many family
was actually helping, because you don't know you write a book,
or you'd write a song where you actually don't know what.
And so we got her in and she has some
wonderful insights into the world of neurodivergent children and why
(09:43):
she wrote the book. And you know, she was really
really funny and a lovely lady and had some really
interesting things to say.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Sandra is all about normalizing neurodivergence and that's why The
Brainforest is such a beautiful book, because every brain is different.
This next bit we're going to listen to is all
about neuroaffirming and what that means.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
So let's have a listen to Sancha.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Neuro Affirming is just short for neurodiversity affirming, which means
we're starting to work with the way that your brain
works rather than against it. And part of that is
actually unpacking the neuonorms, the ways that we are told
that we should operate, and we're looking at how do
(10:27):
we operate how do we actually move through the world.
So I'll give you an example in my every day
is school lunchboxes off my life. My child used to
go to school with a ham and cheese sandwich, and
over time that was no longer an accepted food, and
they went, oh, no, what do I give them? Because
(10:50):
it was just coming back for all the time, You're
only eating an apple the whole day. And I was like,
veggimind and cheese, And we tried to brainstorm all these things.
And now my child goes to school with pasta with
butter and cheese.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
And you know, to me, I have this story that
was told to me when I was growing up, that
pasta is like a luxury food. It's for special occasions,
and butter and cheese is not to balance me. So
I have to unpack that story to go. I need
my child to be fed, right, I need to send
(11:27):
them to school with sustenance to last the day. If
they're not eating what's typical, I've got to find out
what works. So that's an example of how we unpack
those stories to go what works for my family.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Some of the next I guess we had would have
come in handy.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
This morning, I got in the car and the what's
the sun the mirror advisor? The visor was in the way, Yes,
And when I got in the car, I kind of
hit my head and totally it was like a real
awkward I got in and hit it and then my
neck was really it was a shocking moment.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But you're here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, But they would have covered heady because she was
there was a remember that chat.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It was a lovely chat.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
She was a lovely doctor, Amian Norman, a lovely.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Person, a chiropractor and aquanadal instructor.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm not sure of the aquanatal part would have helped
you with your visor hitting. No, that that wouldn't but
incredibly informative chat. And what she did talk about was
the injuries that parents do suffer from lifting up their
children or picking their children up the wrong way, or
tweaking backs and all those kind of things which I
think does happen to us all. Yeah, not just stopping
(12:35):
in the.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Car any children in sight, but also how much movement
toddlers actually need and why movement matters and safe spaces
to encourage all that movement.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
That was a lovely chat.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, and she runs a family focused clinic supporting parents,
babies and toddlers, and she's a mum to herself. But
really really informative chat.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
It's so funny, right because I think for us as parents,
we often feel like they're just on stop, but we
actually want them to be moving up to at least
three hours a day.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Like if you added all of it together, and by moving,
do it running in the park, which.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
It will still count as like walking and play based movement,
and then once they're older than three, you want to
add in an hour of more rigorous activity, so like
more of the running and stuff as an additional thing,
think of.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It as their job.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
A lot of people go, oh, you know, why, why
would toddlers need to even see someone like myself, and
it's like, but do you see the things that they
get up to. They're doing parkour off the couch, and
they're landing on their head, and they're doing all these things.
We would all be genuinely exhausted if we had a
day in their life doing all the things that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah. I remember when Ash was little and he's only
just started to walk and he wants to climb on
the couch and walk along the back of it, which
course is fraught with danger. You want to allow that
to happen that you want to somehow create an environment
where they're not going to get that hurt if.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Something right, it's getting that sweet spot between still encouraging
curiosity and not having that blanket. Like me having a
traditional tiger mum growing up, we just got this blanket
statement of be careful, but there was nothing specific of
let's just think about how we're going to land. If
we're going to do this. Obviously, maybe instead of the couch,
maybe we'll redirect to some soft play furniture or something,
(14:20):
but just kind of pivoting to something a little bit
more goal orientated. But I have had the same problem
like this week and last week with my two year olds,
and when we're at swimming and they're doing the crocodile
crocodile on the wall coming down, he's now trying to.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Recreate that off our couch.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
So yes, it's also about fig Yeah, so just trying
to figure out how to pivot it to still encourage
curiosity play and to take safe risks.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Lookie, as parents, we often think about the boundaries we
need to set for our children and the importance of boundaries,
and I know you and I have spoken about it
quite a bit over our time as pairs, and and
so we decided we'd talk about on the pod and
we'd get a friend of the pod in Jen Mure.
Now Jen's a perinative social worker, a parent educator, a
(15:09):
mum of four, four boys, so she really gets what
family life looks like, and she's really in the thick
of it, and she's as whenever she's coming here, we're
always end up in tears, yep. And we always have
an incredible chat with her. And so we got her
in to talk about the importance of boundaries for children
and for parents as well.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, we go back and have a listen to that
chat because it is brilliant. It's one of those people
who just speaks and you just have so many aha
moments in everything she says.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
But she did.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
We were talking about her upcoming book as well, Why
Kids Need Boundaries, But we had such a great chat
with her about white children need boundaries, and she had
some great analogies and explanations of why.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And the difference between discipline and punishment, yes, which is
a really important thing. And also I think parents now
of our generation it was very different growing up with
our parents. The boundaries and everything were very different. I
think we find it very hard sort of navigating that
and working through that. And Jen had some great insights
(16:10):
in how us as parents can kind of help achieve that. Yep.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Always a wonderful chat too. This is what Jen said.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
So, children need boundaries because of the three core needs
kids have, which is you know, I always say it's
the answer to these three core questions. Children need to
know that they're loved and we answer that through connection.
Children need to know that they're safe just as much,
and we answer that through boundaries. And then the third
need is to feel seen and heard, and that often
(16:37):
happens in the boundaries too. And the boundaries are like,
if you can imagine your child riding a bike along
a narrow bridge at night, and I want you to
imagine there are no guardrails. Imagine how cautiously our kids
would be riding, or how scary that might feel. So
when we put those beautiful guardrails in place, it kind
(16:59):
of shows kids what they can lean into and how
far they can go, and that allows our kids to
ride that bike with ease. So boundaries actually, while it
kind of puts a guardrail in place, it gives kids
freedom and long term it makes kids feel really loved
because actually it's hard to set a boundary, right. It's
really hard to say no, particularly these days, and I
(17:22):
think the climate around boundaries is such that parents are
really looking for answers on how do I do this
in a way that's maybe different for the way that
I was raised. There are certain practices we're pretty clear
on these days that we don't really want to bring
into our homes, but then we don't really know how
to do it, and so that's where I think modern
parents are getting in confused as well.
Speaker 10 (17:42):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Some we saw these two wonderful gentlemen at the show
recently with their families in Melbourne. But we had a
great talk to Will and Woody who were on Kiss
FM their drive show. But they're known for their hilarious banter,
but they're both dads and we had a really lovely
chat about all things parenting and they had some really
lovely stories.
Speaker 11 (18:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean, you know, being in radio, there's such good
talkers and they're funny, but they're also very reflective and
you know, highly intelligent, and it was really interesting talking
to them. It was interesting with Will because when Will
and his partner got a dog, which he talks about
in the episode, he realized that they were going to
parent very differently because of yeah, they got the dog first,
(18:23):
just because of how they were starting to manage and
look after this as a pet and thinking, wow, if
we had children, we're actually going to think about this
very differently. So I think that was a real kind
of that stuck with me, that story. But you know,
sometimes people might not be able to recognize that, but
the fact that they could recognize that, which then when
they had children and a family kind of helped them
(18:43):
sort of navigate it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, they're awesome guys. That was a great chat.
Speaker 11 (18:48):
All the conversation is so geared towards how do I
be a good dad?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, how do I be a good parent? How do
I make my child's life better?
Speaker 11 (18:57):
In the same way that what he can be a perfectionist,
I can also be a perfectionist, like how I'm performing
and you know, doing the right thing, and I really
wish someone And it did happen. And probably like two
years in I remember I had a conversation with my
therapist and I was just like, I'm just so torn
at the moment coincided with the birth of Max. We
had an interview with Matthew McConaughey which really sounded this
(19:20):
bell in my head namedrop.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
If McConaughey has been.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
To weeks, which is a bit chats guys.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
Will till six d No.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
He actually said he.
Speaker 11 (19:34):
Was like as a dad, like You're going to be
torn by like all these duties as a dad, like
to your kid, did your partner and your duty to yourself?
And I think I was so hell bent on like
being a good dad, being a good partner, being good dad,
being good partner, that I really forgot about me in
the landscape and a couple of years later, my therapist
actually said to me, you know that old idiom, You've
(19:58):
got to put your own oxygen mask on before you
put somebody else's. And he was like, this is eating
you because you're not looking after yourself, and not that
I'm not looking after myself, like I'm not like having fun.
It was like, you're just everything's going through this lens
of like, am I good dad? Am a good partner?
And you know so the other side of that coin is, obviously,
if you are looking after yourself as a parent and
you are prioritizing yourself in the moment that might feel
(20:19):
like you're not prioritizing your kid.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That makes you happier.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
So the next time you are looking after your kid,
you are a way better version of yourself than the
one that was trying to look after everything and make
it good.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Our next guest is hilarious. If you've seen him on
social media, He's very funny, very honest. We had a
lovely chat with him that was again quite emotional, but
he just speaks so beautifully and so openly, and that's
Sean Zepp's a writer of podcast a dad of twins
on so many topics of Yeah, how he's dealt with parents,
in the struggles he's had personally, but also being a dad, dad,
(21:05):
family and.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Everything that means.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So it was a lovely, really lovely, open, wonderful chat.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, it was so open. He talked about the depression
that he felt after they had the twins, the process
of you know, through surrogracy getting the twins. He was
so open and while at the same time, even though
he has which he speaks about, had some struggles, he's
very funny and he sees the world and parenting in
a very humorous way, even through the struggles and the
(21:34):
hard time. So it was a really great chat and
you really lovely person Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I enjoyed it, and it was really eye opening to
the stuff that we didn't understand as much as other people.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So it was just really lovely to have.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
A lovely informative chat with someone so willing to share
their story and help others learn about different situations, which
was really lovely.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So that's Sean's epps.
Speaker 12 (21:58):
When people see me out and about, usually looking much
cuter than the average dad at school pickup, I just
you know, just a little bit. They often think babysitter, nanny.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Okay, uncle.
Speaker 12 (22:15):
And it's not just that they think that, it's that
they say that to me. How long have you been
watching the kids, I'm like every day since they were born,
So like, I know what's going on in their heads.
You know, if I wasn't me, and if I didn't
grow up the way that I grew up in the
environment I grew up in, I would be much more judgmental.
But the reality is they just don't have a ton
of examples. I know that I'm the only one of
(22:36):
the playground and I'm the only one in the school,
So like, if they have the questions, I'm going to
try really hard to be as calm and polite as
I can. And almost one hundred percent of the time
people are like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Of course, yes,
that's great, Oh that's great, that's.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Great, and they move on.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah. I had it the other day, which didn't know, well,
I didn't feel great about it, but as a grandfather
with his job walking down the he looked at me,
so you too, you were like no, no, no, no,
no no. And I didn't say anything, of course, just
(23:13):
a smile and oh yeah.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Oftentimes people will say older women usually go home and
thank your wife, and I love to play with that.
I have two paths. There are two options, actually have
three options. Option one, she's doing great. I'll tell her
what would I do without her?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
That's my favorite.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
Option two you're looking at the wife baby, and that
doesn't usually go. And then option three is a full
explanation of the truth. Well, I'm glad you asked two
father family, And so it's just depending on how much
coffee I've had or maybe how many margaritas, you know,
we get to decide what.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Path to go about. We spoke with Tia Pitt, who
is a remarkable person. She's an author, speaker, athlete, mum
of two. Love for her humor and honesty. She's a
survivor of catastrophic burns and she has an extraordinary specive
on residence in life because of that and what she
(24:04):
went through is unbelievably traumatic and the fact that she
can come out the other side now and she's written
books and she's helping people, she has talk she's you know,
just to give a whole her perspective on life and
now having children, on parenting as well.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, we were talking about a new book that has
been out for a while now, but it's called selfish,
and that just the idea that you can actually stop
and look after yourself. And she recognized that she had
such burnout and what she was going to do about that,
and how she was going to look after herself in
those moments that it wasn't actually selfish, it was just
(24:41):
crucial in her family set up.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And it was an awesome chat.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
She had some really full on stories about things people
have said to her even now and how she responds
to them, and an amazing person.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
An amazing woman, and such a great reminder that we
do need to as parents look after for ourselves to
be the best people we can be for our children.
With excellent chat.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
One of the reasons that contributed to my burnout was
that I didn't have very good boundaries. And I had
good boundaries in some ways, but a really bad way
in which I didn't have any boundaries was when someone
would come up to me and they'd say, wow, you
got burnt. That's a crazy story, what happened. I'd feel
like I'd have to answer this stranger's question. I'd have
(25:28):
to be polite about it, and I'd have to make
sure that they felt okay. And that they weren't rathered
by what had happened to me. So I'd spend all
of this energy, all of this emotional investment, and making
sure that they were good, they were fine. I answered
their intrusive questions, and then I'd walk away from that.
I'd feel really depleted and also a little bit lucky.
(25:51):
And so what I did is kind of learned to
set better boundaries. I didn't just figure that out by myself.
I did it with the help of a psychologist. And
she was like, you know, you don't have to answer
those questions. And I was like, what do you mean
asked me a question? I have to answer it? And
she said, well, you don't have to. You can walk away,
you can ignore them.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Was that hard to do? Kind of the first time
you went to put that so.
Speaker 13 (26:13):
Awkward, so uncomfortable. Was sitting next to go on the
plane and he was like, do you still get sunburnt?
Didn't even I didn't even know this Blake's name. I
had nothing to.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Do with him.
Speaker 13 (26:27):
And I was like, this is it to real?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
This is your chance?
Speaker 13 (26:31):
And I put in my AirPods. So I didn't say
anything to him. I just ignored him for the whole
area plane trop. I ignored this guy next to me,
and I realized I didn't feel bad about ignoring him.
I actually felt good about it, which is when I
realized that where setting those kinds of boundaries that can
(26:52):
actually be really empowering.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, some people you talk to just make you happy
and inspire you. And mas Compton came into the room
and she was just an absolute bright, bubbly Her energy
is infectious. She was speaking about a really major point
in her life and about alcohol and how that affected
(27:15):
her life. What I loved from the chat was that
she knew and was listening to her body enough to
know that something just didn't feel quite right and she
wanted to do something about it, and the clarity that
came when she did make a change was life changing
for her. Such a great chat, such a lovely person.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, she gave up alcohol eleven years ago and it
wasn't because her life was collapsing or anything like that,
but she just wanted to felt like she wanted to
live with more clarity and live a bit differently to
what she was doing. And then she became a parent
after that, and she talks really openly about it all
and honestly about it all and not for a second
(27:56):
is she telling people to stop drinking or we telling it.
You know, this is just all like you were saying,
listening to who you are and what your needs are
and your family's needs and seeing if you're, you know,
the best you can be.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Remember that bit that she spoke about where kind of
every it's an ossie cultural thing, but every kind of
moment that happens is kind of centered around having it. Like, yep,
on holiday, you have a drink, get some award, you
have a drink, You win a match, you have a drink,
You congratulate your birthday, you have a drink.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, and then sadness too when she mentioned that, I
hadn't thought about that before. But in any occasion that
happens in our lives, whether it's happiness or sadness, you
can celebrate or commiserate with a drink. Look, I think
with everything we do in life, it's just great to
be aware of the patterns we have and what we do.
(28:52):
And I think, you know, Maz gave us some insight
into her life and that might resonate with some listening.
Speaker 14 (29:01):
So let's starle it back to twenty fourteen, I'll paint
you a little picture.
Speaker 15 (29:05):
So twenty fourteen I actually looked.
Speaker 14 (29:07):
Pretty similar to what I do these days, which is
quite nice.
Speaker 15 (29:11):
So I was killing it.
Speaker 14 (29:12):
And I had a national radio show, so I was
on billboards around the country hosting the biggest radio show
in Australia, which was great, and they paid me heaps
of money to do it, which was awesome.
Speaker 15 (29:26):
I was living in Melbourne, in my little tiny Melbourne apartment.
Speaker 14 (29:29):
I had an entire heart of the wardrobe dedicated to
just shoes because that's what I was into at the time.
So I felt like I was tic tick killing it.
But I was so internally miserable. But I was putting
on this really brave face so no one would ever know.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
They would just.
Speaker 15 (29:46):
Say, Mas, she's the bubbly one on the radio. She's
got this national radio show. You know she's going place.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
She got so many shoes go.
Speaker 14 (29:55):
But internally I was really not loving life, and so
I lived in a state of real disconnect and conflict
for that whole year where I was like, everything on
paper looks so good, but I'm not happy with who
I am and how I'm showing up to life, and
how I was showing up and managing all of that conflict.
Was just drinking alcohol all the time, and it was
(30:17):
doing my head in. So that's where I got to
the point where I was like, I'm not my best self.
Speaker 15 (30:22):
Even though people probably.
Speaker 14 (30:24):
Think I'm all good, I knew internally those conversations I
was having in the mirror in those dark hours were
not positive. I knew I needed to change something, but
I couldn't figure out how to do it.
Speaker 15 (30:36):
So I wrestled for that whole year.
Speaker 14 (30:38):
On like, how do I manage this alcohol thing? Do
I just stop drinking because that felt impossible? Do I
just keep going? That's kind of silly. So I was
really at this crossroads for a good few months trying
to figure out what to do.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes, I'm We had a really lovely chat with Victoria Berenson,
who's a psychologist, educator and founder of the Safe Kids Project.
Such an important and chattel all about body autonomy. And
you think you as a parent, I think, well, you
know that those kind of general things, but when you
speak to it specialist in the area, it just even
(31:13):
the most simple things and questions and how you set
it up with your children from bathtime and you know,
just you put the question out, then they start to
get an understanding of okay, someone has to ask he's right.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I started doing this with Asher because I normally dry
him after the shower. I asked him, now, would you
like me to dry you? Actually, would you like to
draw yourself? I hadn't thought about it. As soon as
she said it was like a light bulb, of course,
And also then the knock on effective as a parent,
if your child is going how to play, date or something,
(31:50):
you have every right to ask questions about who's going
to be there and what the plans are, because you know,
we don't know. And I think we said it in
the chat. If the people you're talking to have an
issue with it, then maybe you don't want your child around.
And that's okay too. I think we have every writer's
parents to keep our children in every way as safe
(32:10):
as possible.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Yeah, please have a listen to the chat.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It was so informative, and there were some lighter moments,
and there were some really important deeper moments, and this
is one of them that Victoria's explaining exactly how to
respond when a child does disclose something, if and hopefully
never something does happen, So have a listen, very important conversation.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
Firstly, I'd say take a really deep breath because when
a child tells you or discloses something, because it is
very confronting and it's obviously a lot of high emotions
at that point. So I would say take a deep breath.
And then the next thing is you believe them no
matter what, because what a child needs in that moment
is just to be heard and just to be seen
(32:53):
in what they are experiencing, and then go from there.
So the best question that I can say is, if
a child comes to you, we want to keep it
super open ended. We don't want to lead the conversation anywhere,
and so you can say something like can you tell
me what happened next? And then what happened after that?
Can you tell me a little bit more about that?
(33:14):
And so it's very open and we just want to
provide that space to allow that conversation to flow. We
want to be really mindful of questions of oh, and
did they do this, and then did this happen next.
It's really like allow that to be and then once
that's happened, there's a lot of praise, there's a lot
of connection. I'm so so proud of you for telling me.
(33:34):
I'm so grateful that you felt safe to share this
with me. This is with mummy now, or with daddy
or with your caregiver. We're here to support you. You
don't have to hold this on your own. I am
here lots of praise and reassurance. And then from there
it's connecting in with local police, local child protection services. Yeah,
and that will lead a whole different process, and that's
(33:55):
sort of different wherever you live.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well, Lookie, was great having Jeff here in the pod.
Was you know, a fan favorite.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yes, A lot of people have been asking for it
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, they have, and we gave it to them, we did. Yeah.
But he's such a lovely, humble person who was never
out for any fame or notoriety. He just wanted to
play music and live his life and very shy, very shy,
And he talks about that shyness and how he had
to kind of balance that out with a public persona
(34:29):
and his sort of personal life, and you know, he's
managed it very well. Yeah, and he talks quite openly
about that, which is lovely.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And the recent shows we've been doing. There's there's an
excerpt up on the screens from a message from Jeff
Wiggle and the crowd you know they still they just
they cheer and they love him so much. And it's
a really nice part of the show actually, because Anthony's
just asked the audience if they remember the o G
Wiggles and came to watch them, and they're all so happy,
and then Jeff comes up on the screen. He is
(34:59):
such a loved member of this group, and it was
really nice to kind of actually hear from You don't
never really know much about Jeff or doesn't share a lot,
but that's how he likes it, and it was really
lovely that he shared some of how he felt in
the early days and his nerves and how he dealt
with them. And this scenement we're going to listen to
(35:19):
was how Jeffy felt like there were two Jeffs, two
sides of him that he had to kind of work
on to get across on screen.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, when we finished a chat, he was like, oh,
that actually wasn't too bad.
Speaker 16 (35:34):
Wake up Jeff before that day through, can you keep
that noise down? I'm trying to sleep.
Speaker 17 (35:47):
Yes, The two jeffs my normal Jeff.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yes, he is sort of.
Speaker 17 (35:52):
Sort of now, although I am but slightly larger yes
in life than I normally am. Yes, doing an interview, Yes,
but the other Jeff doesn't like to be on camera, Jeff.
And but to reconcile that, it's interesting, I guess I
was being given the wake Up Jeff Mantle was a
way of concealing the real Jeff. So I actually had
(36:16):
a role that I could play without having to show
too much of my real self.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Was it kind of Anto that picked up on that?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
And did you talk about that at the time really
early on, like look, I'm not that comfortable yes, Or
did he just go, hey, come on, I've got something.
Speaker 17 (36:31):
Well, well, he Anto is really good in being able
to get the best out of people, so I'm sure
that he was aware of that, and it's just his
ability to be able to put together a show and
get the best out of people. So, I mean, originally
I think it was wake Up Anto. Did you drive
(36:52):
a big red car? Initially I did.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I was the original big Red cards driver. And then
I had heard that story that once they change it
to wake Up Jeff, they realized it wasn't a good idea,
But not a guy who falls asleep randomly to be
the one.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I'm not a very good example.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's probably class these days. That's bad modeling. Yes, it
is modeling behavior, Yeah, but that would be jeff no
never never.
Speaker 17 (37:19):
Anyway, the role of the wake up was. I embraced it.
Of course, I loved it. And I could just close
my eyes and basically tune out. Yeah, and without having
to reveal myself.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Well, Lockie, you know, for this episode, we just wanted
to revisit some of the chats we had during season two.
Of course, it's not the end of season two. This
is just a little recap because there's a lot of
information that happens, and you'll hear these little grabs or
you heard these little grabs and then it's you know,
you might want to go back and revisit, or there's
something that you missed to go back to which kind
(37:52):
of resonate you through these. So we just wanted to
give a little highlights real so far of season two.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yes, I hope you enjoyed them.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Thank you Simon, thank you Loggie, and thanks for being
with us. But you'll come back, maybe you'll be backfiring
for the second part of season two. I'm sure you
will be because we won't have a new neon for
this because we're still in season two.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
That's still new.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I'm feeling a new table really yep? Okay, yeah, we've
got a few weeks to sort out a new table.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah okay, well you put yourself up for it now, handywork, No, no.
Speaker 16 (38:30):
Table.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah. We hope you've enjoyed listening to wiggle Talk so
far season two, and I hope you enjoyed the little
highlights you're all and there'll be more from us. Don't
you worry about that. We just don't stop. We're just
like a podcasting machine here, aren't we.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
We are.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
And if you if you enjoy you mean enjoying wiggle Talk,
how your friends?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Yes, rate us, review us, and we'll see you soon. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Thanks listening to wiggle Talk. It's a podcast for parents.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Goodbye,
The Wiggles acknowledge the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia
and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay
our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to wiggle Talk Podcast for parents. My name is
Locky and I wear purple in the Wiggles.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, Lockey. My name is Simon and I wear red
in the Wiggles. Yes, it's great to be here, Lockey.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Oh, it's great to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
We're in the pod, yep, and this is We talk
a lot of things in the pod, you know, unveil
a lot of things about ourselves. Yes, and I have
spoken about We moved house. Yes, we bought a new couch. Lovely,
it is lovely. It's a lovely couch. It's a lovely
cream colored couch.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Very well done.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, thank you. But see it's not the smartest color,
is it. Because I've got a bit of couch paranoia. Yes,
I understand why people used to keep their coverings on
their couch. We got to a point where they are
old couch where it didn't really matter. You could eat
on it, you could, you know, and so Asha would
eat on a drink on it. Whatever I've spiled a bit.
You could also unzip that one jugging in the wash
and get back on, but not. Now. This is an
(01:11):
expensive couch and I've got couch paranoia about stains.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Will the blankets over it or not?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yet? There's a little stylish throw.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, yeah, it doesn't cover all the couch.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, it doesn't. But I think it's probably a good
thing just to actually Asher understands the importance to me
of this new couch. Yes, and so we're not eating
on the couch okay, yes, well one either. There's the
rules for him, it has for me. Do it for
lows as well.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Sneaky hot chocolate after Ash has gone to bed watching
a movie or something.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, so you mentioned red wine or imagine if a
little spillage I know, see apparently has been treated. I
don't know what that means. What does that actually mean?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It should have a covering on it, so if you
do spill something, it should come.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Off yeah easier. Yeah, So now I mean we just
don't sit on the couch. Well, that looked, but anyway,
I will relax. But I think it's a nice thing
not to eat your dinner at the couch anyway. Oh, yes,
and snacks and things, and we can move that. There's
an island bench, sure, there is actually I think it's
(02:16):
called the dining room table. Yes, you can actually sit
there and eat your dinner and anat food.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I just remembered Mum and dad the only house they built,
we had a dining room, had a lovely table.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And we never sat it there.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
That was nice. Yeah, thinking back now, it was a
lovely room, a little bit of formal dining.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, when we have people over, we did use it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The good china came out.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
None of the couch.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So anyway, that's that's where we're at. But if you
come over, which I'd love you too one day, how
would you welcome to sit on the couch?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I will not just dont No, we're talking about season two. Yes,
we will talk. We've had two seasons, but we're still
in season two. We are, and we've had a bit
of everything.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yep, we've got a new Neon.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And we've got big feelings. It was just about the
new Neon. There's been big questions and we've had some
truly unforgettable guests.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
We have and it all began with one of the
most emotional conversations we've had on this podcast, and that
was with our friend and former general manager of The
Wiggles and Anthony's big brother, Paul Field, sharing his incredibly
sad but moving story of his daughter Bernadette and the
night that changed his family's life forever.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Here is that moment.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
The next morning was the first National Red Nose Day
in Australia. It's kind of spooky stuff. And while watching
one of the morning TV shows and the hosts had
red noses on and they're talking about it, she literally
went from that and walked into the room where Bernadette
was sleeping. She said, as you know, parents, particularly mothers,
(03:47):
would know your sense something and something's wrong, and she
just went, I had a feeling and she wasn't moving
and she wasn't breathing. Pauline picked her up, screaming and
raced into the kitchen while that's tape where everyone was,
and they screamed around to the hospital and very shortly
after they arrived they had said she's died, right, and
(04:10):
the doctor very quickly also said it's sudden infant death syndrome, right.
And so I was on tour at this time. You know,
I hadn't been told, and Pauline was just overwhelmed with
you know, the shock.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So they were there for quite a while and in
the interim they called me and Pauline spoke to my
father who was with me on tour. So he's the
one who told me what had happened, which is just
I just I don't know how he did that, you know,
I just wailed. And they put Pauline onto the phone
once we got to talk to each other, and she
(04:51):
was saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like you know that
whole thing, like it's you know, her mother. I should
have been able to protect and and I was saying,
that's not your fault.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, this next segment Somewhere with Hugh Van Klember, got
a lot of a lot of social media attention. Again,
a very open and incredibly generous of you to share
his time with us. It was the first time he
spoke on another platform after releasing that beautiful letter that
he wrote. He put that out on their Imperfect podcast,
(05:25):
But it was all about an open letter about raising
a neurodivergent child, and that itself got an incredible reaction online.
We spoke all about that, all about that letter all
about how they're going as a family, and people love
listening to him talk.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, he's been been very lucky to have you on
the podcast a couple of times. He's the founder of
the Resilience Project. He's a podcast, The Imperfect He's one
of our favorite guests, and I mean it was so
lovely that he felt comfortable to be able to talk
to us for the first time after he released this
(06:01):
letter out to the world and to give a little
bit more detail and what they've been going through as
a family. And that involves the impact it has on siblings,
the judgment people might have when you have a new
divergent child, as not coping out in public. All those
kinds of things that he spoke about were so so important,
And yeah, it had a huge amount of traction online
(06:23):
because there are a lot of families who are going
through exactly the same thing, and it makes other families
feel and people feel, Okay, we're not alone, We're heard,
We're listened to a scene. I think that was what
a lot of people were saying in the commentary through socials,
we wanted you to share that story and really in
the crux of it, how he actually spoke to his
(06:45):
child about being autistic, and that's a bit we're going
to listen to now.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Years of preparation and the build up was huge, and
we've found this book. It was a book about different brains,
so every page is a different type of brain. Talked
about what those brains are like and what those people
are like, and everything was very positively framed, which Penny
and I really love. And we said, we don't want
to make a big deal about this. We don't want
to say we want to talk to about something. We
want to bring them in on this information instead of
(07:13):
educating the lots of different brains and you have a
certain type of brain. One of the pages was about
an OCD brain, and my wife, Penny has OCD, So
we said, why don't you put that child to bed
that night you read in that book, and then maybe
when you get to the page and autism, you could say,
and that's what we believe your brain is, and then
you can have a conversation. I'll be in the room
(07:34):
next door putting the other child, one of the others
to bed, but I'll be there to come in. And
I remember, I've ever done this with your kids. But
you're reading a book, but you actually are not listening
to a single like you're able to read it but
not concentrate on. So you can read a whole book
and go, I have no idea what happened in that book?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Doing that.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
It's amazing how often that happens. Actually, when my child's oh,
but what did Polly say?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Who's Polly in the book? I've done it with as
you were said, Oh this isn't we haven't read this
book before, and it is like we read it two nights ago.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
So my wife Pennies in the room there and I'm
doing the reading, but not this, not paying toothing. I'm
listening to every single word that's happening. I'm ready to
run in and say, you know, there's a big moment,
and in my head is a huge moment. And I
heard Pennies say to our child, and that's the brain
you have. You are autistic. You have an autistic brain.
And I waited to hear their response and the response was, yeah, cool,
(08:28):
can I get a lunch order tomorrow? I'm thinking, my gosh,
we have just Penny sort of back over and go, yeah, yeah,
yes that can happen.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And what I just said how do you feel about that? Yeah? Fine,
what so do I bastball in.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
That's gosh, we really have built this up well.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
During the chat with Hugh, all the comments on social
media were, oh, my goodness, it's the book that he
was talking about that he read to his child in
explaining autism was a book called The Brain Forest. And
so many people wrote in and said, this is the book,
this is the book, this is the book he's talking about.
So we tracked down the incredible writer of The Brainforest,
(09:15):
which was Sanja Menon, and got her into the pod.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, it was great to have her in andto I mean,
she was blown away by the response. I think that
people were reading this book and that how many family
was actually helping, because you don't know you write a book,
or you'd write a song where you actually don't know what.
And so we got her in and she has some
wonderful insights into the world of neurodivergent children and why
(09:43):
she wrote the book. And you know, she was really
really funny and a lovely lady and had some really
interesting things to say.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Sandra is all about normalizing neurodivergence and that's why The
Brainforest is such a beautiful book, because every brain is different.
This next bit we're going to listen to is all
about neuroaffirming and what that means.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
So let's have a listen to Sancha.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Neuro Affirming is just short for neurodiversity affirming, which means
we're starting to work with the way that your brain
works rather than against it. And part of that is
actually unpacking the neuonorms, the ways that we are told
that we should operate, and we're looking at how do
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we operate how do we actually move through the world.
So I'll give you an example in my every day
is school lunchboxes off my life. My child used to
go to school with a ham and cheese sandwich, and
over time that was no longer an accepted food, and
they went, oh, no, what do I give them? Because
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it was just coming back for all the time, You're
only eating an apple the whole day. And I was like,
veggimind and cheese, And we tried to brainstorm all these things.
And now my child goes to school with pasta with
butter and cheese.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
And you know, to me, I have this story that
was told to me when I was growing up, that
pasta is like a luxury food. It's for special occasions,
and butter and cheese is not to balance me. So
I have to unpack that story to go. I need
my child to be fed, right, I need to send
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them to school with sustenance to last the day. If
they're not eating what's typical, I've got to find out
what works. So that's an example of how we unpack
those stories to go what works for my family.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Some of the next I guess we had would have
come in handy.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
This morning, I got in the car and the what's
the sun the mirror advisor? The visor was in the way, Yes,
And when I got in the car, I kind of
hit my head and totally it was like a real
awkward I got in and hit it and then my
neck was really it was a shocking moment.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But you're here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, But they would have covered heady because she was
there was a remember that chat.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It was a lovely chat.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
She was a lovely doctor, Amian Norman, a lovely.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Person, a chiropractor and aquanadal instructor.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm not sure of the aquanatal part would have helped
you with your visor hitting. No, that that wouldn't but
incredibly informative chat. And what she did talk about was
the injuries that parents do suffer from lifting up their
children or picking their children up the wrong way, or
tweaking backs and all those kind of things which I
think does happen to us all. Yeah, not just stopping
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in the.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Car any children in sight, but also how much movement
toddlers actually need and why movement matters and safe spaces
to encourage all that movement.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
That was a lovely chat.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, and she runs a family focused clinic supporting parents,
babies and toddlers, and she's a mum to herself. But
really really informative chat.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
It's so funny, right because I think for us as parents,
we often feel like they're just on stop, but we
actually want them to be moving up to at least
three hours a day.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Like if you added all of it together, and by moving,
do it running in the park, which.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
It will still count as like walking and play based movement,
and then once they're older than three, you want to
add in an hour of more rigorous activity, so like
more of the running and stuff as an additional thing,
think of.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It as their job.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
A lot of people go, oh, you know, why, why
would toddlers need to even see someone like myself, and
it's like, but do you see the things that they
get up to. They're doing parkour off the couch, and
they're landing on their head, and they're doing all these things.
We would all be genuinely exhausted if we had a
day in their life doing all the things that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah. I remember when Ash was little and he's only
just started to walk and he wants to climb on
the couch and walk along the back of it, which
course is fraught with danger. You want to allow that
to happen that you want to somehow create an environment
where they're not going to get that hurt if.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Something right, it's getting that sweet spot between still encouraging
curiosity and not having that blanket. Like me having a
traditional tiger mum growing up, we just got this blanket
statement of be careful, but there was nothing specific of
let's just think about how we're going to land. If
we're going to do this. Obviously, maybe instead of the couch,
maybe we'll redirect to some soft play furniture or something,
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but just kind of pivoting to something a little bit
more goal orientated. But I have had the same problem
like this week and last week with my two year olds,
and when we're at swimming and they're doing the crocodile
crocodile on the wall coming down, he's now trying to.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Recreate that off our couch.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
So yes, it's also about fig Yeah, so just trying
to figure out how to pivot it to still encourage
curiosity play and to take safe risks.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Lookie, as parents, we often think about the boundaries we
need to set for our children and the importance of boundaries,
and I know you and I have spoken about it
quite a bit over our time as pairs, and and
so we decided we'd talk about on the pod and
we'd get a friend of the pod in Jen Mure.
Now Jen's a perinative social worker, a parent educator, a
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mum of four, four boys, so she really gets what
family life looks like, and she's really in the thick
of it, and she's as whenever she's coming here, we're
always end up in tears, yep. And we always have
an incredible chat with her. And so we got her
in to talk about the importance of boundaries for children
and for parents as well.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, we go back and have a listen to that
chat because it is brilliant. It's one of those people
who just speaks and you just have so many aha
moments in everything she says.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
But she did.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
We were talking about her upcoming book as well, Why
Kids Need Boundaries, But we had such a great chat
with her about white children need boundaries, and she had
some great analogies and explanations of why.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And the difference between discipline and punishment, yes, which is
a really important thing. And also I think parents now
of our generation it was very different growing up with
our parents. The boundaries and everything were very different. I
think we find it very hard sort of navigating that
and working through that. And Jen had some great insights
(16:10):
in how us as parents can kind of help achieve that. Yep.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Always a wonderful chat too. This is what Jen said.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
So, children need boundaries because of the three core needs
kids have, which is you know, I always say it's
the answer to these three core questions. Children need to
know that they're loved and we answer that through connection.
Children need to know that they're safe just as much,
and we answer that through boundaries. And then the third
need is to feel seen and heard, and that often
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happens in the boundaries too. And the boundaries are like,
if you can imagine your child riding a bike along
a narrow bridge at night, and I want you to
imagine there are no guardrails. Imagine how cautiously our kids
would be riding, or how scary that might feel. So
when we put those beautiful guardrails in place, it kind
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of shows kids what they can lean into and how
far they can go, and that allows our kids to
ride that bike with ease. So boundaries actually, while it
kind of puts a guardrail in place, it gives kids
freedom and long term it makes kids feel really loved
because actually it's hard to set a boundary, right. It's
really hard to say no, particularly these days, and I
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think the climate around boundaries is such that parents are
really looking for answers on how do I do this
in a way that's maybe different for the way that
I was raised. There are certain practices we're pretty clear
on these days that we don't really want to bring
into our homes, but then we don't really know how
to do it, and so that's where I think modern
parents are getting in confused as well.
Speaker 10 (17:42):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Some we saw these two wonderful gentlemen at the show
recently with their families in Melbourne. But we had a
great talk to Will and Woody who were on Kiss
FM their drive show. But they're known for their hilarious banter,
but they're both dads and we had a really lovely
chat about all things parenting and they had some really
lovely stories.
Speaker 11 (18:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean, you know, being in radio, there's such good
talkers and they're funny, but they're also very reflective and
you know, highly intelligent, and it was really interesting talking
to them. It was interesting with Will because when Will
and his partner got a dog, which he talks about
in the episode, he realized that they were going to
parent very differently because of yeah, they got the dog first,
(18:23):
just because of how they were starting to manage and
look after this as a pet and thinking, wow, if
we had children, we're actually going to think about this
very differently. So I think that was a real kind
of that stuck with me, that story. But you know,
sometimes people might not be able to recognize that, but
the fact that they could recognize that, which then when
they had children and a family kind of helped them
(18:43):
sort of navigate it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, they're awesome guys. That was a great chat.
Speaker 11 (18:48):
All the conversation is so geared towards how do I
be a good dad?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, how do I be a good parent? How do
I make my child's life better?
Speaker 11 (18:57):
In the same way that what he can be a perfectionist,
I can also be a perfectionist, like how I'm performing
and you know, doing the right thing, and I really
wish someone And it did happen. And probably like two
years in I remember I had a conversation with my
therapist and I was just like, I'm just so torn
at the moment coincided with the birth of Max. We
had an interview with Matthew McConaughey which really sounded this
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bell in my head namedrop.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
If McConaughey has been.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
To weeks, which is a bit chats guys.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
Will till six d No.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
He actually said he.
Speaker 11 (19:34):
Was like as a dad, like You're going to be
torn by like all these duties as a dad, like
to your kid, did your partner and your duty to yourself?
And I think I was so hell bent on like
being a good dad, being a good partner, being good dad,
being good partner, that I really forgot about me in
the landscape and a couple of years later, my therapist
actually said to me, you know that old idiom, You've
(19:58):
got to put your own oxygen mask on before you
put somebody else's. And he was like, this is eating
you because you're not looking after yourself, and not that
I'm not looking after myself, like I'm not like having fun.
It was like, you're just everything's going through this lens
of like, am I good dad? Am a good partner?
And you know so the other side of that coin is, obviously,
if you are looking after yourself as a parent and
you are prioritizing yourself in the moment that might feel
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like you're not prioritizing your kid.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That makes you happier.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
So the next time you are looking after your kid,
you are a way better version of yourself than the
one that was trying to look after everything and make
it good.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Our next guest is hilarious. If you've seen him on
social media, He's very funny, very honest. We had a
lovely chat with him that was again quite emotional, but
he just speaks so beautifully and so openly, and that's
Sean Zepp's a writer of podcast a dad of twins
on so many topics of Yeah, how he's dealt with parents,
in the struggles he's had personally, but also being a dad, dad,
(21:05):
family and.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Everything that means.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So it was a lovely, really lovely, open, wonderful chat.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, it was so open. He talked about the depression
that he felt after they had the twins, the process
of you know, through surrogracy getting the twins. He was
so open and while at the same time, even though
he has which he speaks about, had some struggles, he's
very funny and he sees the world and parenting in
a very humorous way, even through the struggles and the
(21:34):
hard time. So it was a really great chat and
you really lovely person Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I enjoyed it, and it was really eye opening to
the stuff that we didn't understand as much as other people.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So it was just really lovely to have.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
A lovely informative chat with someone so willing to share
their story and help others learn about different situations, which
was really lovely.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So that's Sean's epps.
Speaker 12 (21:58):
When people see me out and about, usually looking much
cuter than the average dad at school pickup, I just
you know, just a little bit. They often think babysitter, nanny.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Okay, uncle.
Speaker 12 (22:15):
And it's not just that they think that, it's that
they say that to me. How long have you been
watching the kids, I'm like every day since they were born,
So like, I know what's going on in their heads.
You know, if I wasn't me, and if I didn't
grow up the way that I grew up in the
environment I grew up in, I would be much more judgmental.
But the reality is they just don't have a ton
of examples. I know that I'm the only one of
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the playground and I'm the only one in the school,
So like, if they have the questions, I'm going to
try really hard to be as calm and polite as
I can. And almost one hundred percent of the time
people are like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Of course, yes,
that's great, Oh that's great, that's.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Great, and they move on.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah. I had it the other day, which didn't know, well,
I didn't feel great about it, but as a grandfather
with his job walking down the he looked at me,
so you too, you were like no, no, no, no,
no no. And I didn't say anything, of course, just
(23:13):
a smile and oh yeah.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Oftentimes people will say older women usually go home and
thank your wife, and I love to play with that.
I have two paths. There are two options, actually have
three options. Option one, she's doing great. I'll tell her
what would I do without her?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
That's my favorite.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
Option two you're looking at the wife baby, and that
doesn't usually go. And then option three is a full
explanation of the truth. Well, I'm glad you asked two
father family, And so it's just depending on how much
coffee I've had or maybe how many margaritas, you know,
we get to decide what.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Path to go about. We spoke with Tia Pitt, who
is a remarkable person. She's an author, speaker, athlete, mum
of two. Love for her humor and honesty. She's a
survivor of catastrophic burns and she has an extraordinary specive
on residence in life because of that and what she
(24:04):
went through is unbelievably traumatic and the fact that she
can come out the other side now and she's written
books and she's helping people, she has talk she's you know,
just to give a whole her perspective on life and
now having children, on parenting as well.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, we were talking about a new book that has
been out for a while now, but it's called selfish,
and that just the idea that you can actually stop
and look after yourself. And she recognized that she had
such burnout and what she was going to do about that,
and how she was going to look after herself in
those moments that it wasn't actually selfish, it was just
(24:41):
crucial in her family set up.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And it was an awesome chat.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
She had some really full on stories about things people
have said to her even now and how she responds
to them, and an amazing person.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
An amazing woman, and such a great reminder that we
do need to as parents look after for ourselves to
be the best people we can be for our children.
With excellent chat.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
One of the reasons that contributed to my burnout was
that I didn't have very good boundaries. And I had
good boundaries in some ways, but a really bad way
in which I didn't have any boundaries was when someone
would come up to me and they'd say, wow, you
got burnt. That's a crazy story, what happened. I'd feel
like I'd have to answer this stranger's question. I'd have
(25:28):
to be polite about it, and I'd have to make
sure that they felt okay. And that they weren't rathered
by what had happened to me. So I'd spend all
of this energy, all of this emotional investment, and making
sure that they were good, they were fine. I answered
their intrusive questions, and then I'd walk away from that.
I'd feel really depleted and also a little bit lucky.
(25:51):
And so what I did is kind of learned to
set better boundaries. I didn't just figure that out by myself.
I did it with the help of a psychologist. And
she was like, you know, you don't have to answer
those questions. And I was like, what do you mean
asked me a question? I have to answer it? And
she said, well, you don't have to. You can walk away,
you can ignore them.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Was that hard to do? Kind of the first time
you went to put that so.
Speaker 13 (26:13):
Awkward, so uncomfortable. Was sitting next to go on the
plane and he was like, do you still get sunburnt?
Didn't even I didn't even know this Blake's name. I
had nothing to.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Do with him.
Speaker 13 (26:27):
And I was like, this is it to real?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
This is your chance?
Speaker 13 (26:31):
And I put in my AirPods. So I didn't say
anything to him. I just ignored him for the whole
area plane trop. I ignored this guy next to me,
and I realized I didn't feel bad about ignoring him.
I actually felt good about it, which is when I
realized that where setting those kinds of boundaries that can
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actually be really empowering.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, some people you talk to just make you happy
and inspire you. And mas Compton came into the room
and she was just an absolute bright, bubbly Her energy
is infectious. She was speaking about a really major point
in her life and about alcohol and how that affected
(27:15):
her life. What I loved from the chat was that
she knew and was listening to her body enough to
know that something just didn't feel quite right and she
wanted to do something about it, and the clarity that
came when she did make a change was life changing
for her. Such a great chat, such a lovely person.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, she gave up alcohol eleven years ago and it
wasn't because her life was collapsing or anything like that,
but she just wanted to felt like she wanted to
live with more clarity and live a bit differently to
what she was doing. And then she became a parent
after that, and she talks really openly about it all
and honestly about it all and not for a second
(27:56):
is she telling people to stop drinking or we telling it.
You know, this is just all like you were saying,
listening to who you are and what your needs are
and your family's needs and seeing if you're, you know,
the best you can be.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Remember that bit that she spoke about where kind of
every it's an ossie cultural thing, but every kind of
moment that happens is kind of centered around having it. Like, yep,
on holiday, you have a drink, get some award, you
have a drink, You win a match, you have a drink,
You congratulate your birthday, you have a drink.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, and then sadness too when she mentioned that, I
hadn't thought about that before. But in any occasion that
happens in our lives, whether it's happiness or sadness, you
can celebrate or commiserate with a drink. Look, I think
with everything we do in life, it's just great to
be aware of the patterns we have and what we do.
(28:52):
And I think, you know, Maz gave us some insight
into her life and that might resonate with some listening.
Speaker 14 (29:01):
So let's starle it back to twenty fourteen, I'll paint
you a little picture.
Speaker 15 (29:05):
So twenty fourteen I actually looked.
Speaker 14 (29:07):
Pretty similar to what I do these days, which is
quite nice.
Speaker 15 (29:11):
So I was killing it.
Speaker 14 (29:12):
And I had a national radio show, so I was
on billboards around the country hosting the biggest radio show
in Australia, which was great, and they paid me heaps
of money to do it, which was awesome.
Speaker 15 (29:26):
I was living in Melbourne, in my little tiny Melbourne apartment.
Speaker 14 (29:29):
I had an entire heart of the wardrobe dedicated to
just shoes because that's what I was into at the time.
So I felt like I was tic tick killing it.
But I was so internally miserable. But I was putting
on this really brave face so no one would ever know.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
They would just.
Speaker 15 (29:46):
Say, Mas, she's the bubbly one on the radio. She's
got this national radio show. You know she's going place.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
She got so many shoes go.
Speaker 14 (29:55):
But internally I was really not loving life, and so
I lived in a state of real disconnect and conflict
for that whole year where I was like, everything on
paper looks so good, but I'm not happy with who
I am and how I'm showing up to life, and
how I was showing up and managing all of that conflict.
Was just drinking alcohol all the time, and it was
(30:17):
doing my head in. So that's where I got to
the point where I was like, I'm not my best self.
Speaker 15 (30:22):
Even though people probably.
Speaker 14 (30:24):
Think I'm all good, I knew internally those conversations I
was having in the mirror in those dark hours were
not positive. I knew I needed to change something, but
I couldn't figure out how to do it.
Speaker 15 (30:36):
So I wrestled for that whole year.
Speaker 14 (30:38):
On like, how do I manage this alcohol thing? Do
I just stop drinking because that felt impossible? Do I
just keep going? That's kind of silly. So I was
really at this crossroads for a good few months trying
to figure out what to do.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes, I'm We had a really lovely chat with Victoria Berenson,
who's a psychologist, educator and founder of the Safe Kids Project.
Such an important and chattel all about body autonomy. And
you think you as a parent, I think, well, you
know that those kind of general things, but when you
speak to it specialist in the area, it just even
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the most simple things and questions and how you set
it up with your children from bathtime and you know,
just you put the question out, then they start to
get an understanding of okay, someone has to ask he's right.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I started doing this with Asher because I normally dry
him after the shower. I asked him, now, would you
like me to dry you? Actually, would you like to
draw yourself? I hadn't thought about it. As soon as
she said it was like a light bulb, of course,
And also then the knock on effective as a parent,
if your child is going how to play, date or something,
(31:50):
you have every right to ask questions about who's going
to be there and what the plans are, because you know,
we don't know. And I think we said it in
the chat. If the people you're talking to have an
issue with it, then maybe you don't want your child around.
And that's okay too. I think we have every writer's
parents to keep our children in every way as safe
(32:10):
as possible.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Yeah, please have a listen to the chat.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It was so informative, and there were some lighter moments,
and there were some really important deeper moments, and this
is one of them that Victoria's explaining exactly how to
respond when a child does disclose something, if and hopefully
never something does happen, So have a listen, very important conversation.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
Firstly, I'd say take a really deep breath because when
a child tells you or discloses something, because it is
very confronting and it's obviously a lot of high emotions
at that point. So I would say take a deep breath.
And then the next thing is you believe them no
matter what, because what a child needs in that moment
is just to be heard and just to be seen
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in what they are experiencing, and then go from there.
So the best question that I can say is, if
a child comes to you, we want to keep it
super open ended. We don't want to lead the conversation anywhere,
and so you can say something like can you tell
me what happened next? And then what happened after that?
Can you tell me a little bit more about that?
(33:14):
And so it's very open and we just want to
provide that space to allow that conversation to flow. We
want to be really mindful of questions of oh, and
did they do this, and then did this happen next.
It's really like allow that to be and then once
that's happened, there's a lot of praise, there's a lot
of connection. I'm so so proud of you for telling me.
(33:34):
I'm so grateful that you felt safe to share this
with me. This is with mummy now, or with daddy
or with your caregiver. We're here to support you. You
don't have to hold this on your own. I am
here lots of praise and reassurance. And then from there
it's connecting in with local police, local child protection services. Yeah,
and that will lead a whole different process, and that's
(33:55):
sort of different wherever you live.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well, Lookie, was great having Jeff here in the pod.
Was you know, a fan favorite.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yes, A lot of people have been asking for it
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, they have, and we gave it to them, we did. Yeah.
But he's such a lovely, humble person who was never
out for any fame or notoriety. He just wanted to
play music and live his life and very shy, very shy,
And he talks about that shyness and how he had
to kind of balance that out with a public persona
(34:29):
and his sort of personal life, and you know, he's
managed it very well. Yeah, and he talks quite openly
about that, which is lovely.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And the recent shows we've been doing. There's there's an
excerpt up on the screens from a message from Jeff
Wiggle and the crowd you know they still they just
they cheer and they love him so much. And it's
a really nice part of the show actually, because Anthony's
just asked the audience if they remember the o G
Wiggles and came to watch them, and they're all so happy,
and then Jeff comes up on the screen. He is
(34:59):
such a loved member of this group, and it was
really nice to kind of actually hear from You don't
never really know much about Jeff or doesn't share a lot,
but that's how he likes it, and it was really
lovely that he shared some of how he felt in
the early days and his nerves and how he dealt
with them. And this scenement we're going to listen to
(35:19):
was how Jeffy felt like there were two Jeffs, two
sides of him that he had to kind of work
on to get across on screen.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, when we finished a chat, he was like, oh,
that actually wasn't too bad.
Speaker 16 (35:34):
Wake up Jeff before that day through, can you keep
that noise down? I'm trying to sleep.
Speaker 17 (35:47):
Yes, The two jeffs my normal Jeff.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yes, he is sort of.
Speaker 17 (35:52):
Sort of now, although I am but slightly larger yes
in life than I normally am. Yes, doing an interview, Yes,
but the other Jeff doesn't like to be on camera, Jeff.
And but to reconcile that, it's interesting, I guess I
was being given the wake Up Jeff Mantle was a
way of concealing the real Jeff. So I actually had
(36:16):
a role that I could play without having to show
too much of my real self.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Was it kind of Anto that picked up on that?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
And did you talk about that at the time really
early on, like look, I'm not that comfortable yes, Or
did he just go, hey, come on, I've got something.
Speaker 17 (36:31):
Well, well, he Anto is really good in being able
to get the best out of people, so I'm sure
that he was aware of that, and it's just his
ability to be able to put together a show and
get the best out of people. So, I mean, originally
I think it was wake Up Anto. Did you drive
(36:52):
a big red car? Initially I did.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I was the original big Red cards driver. And then
I had heard that story that once they change it
to wake Up Jeff, they realized it wasn't a good idea,
But not a guy who falls asleep randomly to be
the one.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I'm not a very good example.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's probably class these days. That's bad modeling. Yes, it
is modeling behavior, Yeah, but that would be jeff no
never never.
Speaker 17 (37:19):
Anyway, the role of the wake up was. I embraced it.
Of course, I loved it. And I could just close
my eyes and basically tune out. Yeah, and without having
to reveal myself.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Well, Lockie, you know, for this episode, we just wanted
to revisit some of the chats we had during season two.
Of course, it's not the end of season two. This
is just a little recap because there's a lot of
information that happens, and you'll hear these little grabs or
you heard these little grabs and then it's you know,
you might want to go back and revisit, or there's
something that you missed to go back to which kind
(37:52):
of resonate you through these. So we just wanted to
give a little highlights real so far of season two.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yes, I hope you enjoyed them.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Thank you Simon, thank you Loggie, and thanks for being
with us. But you'll come back, maybe you'll be backfiring
for the second part of season two. I'm sure you
will be because we won't have a new neon for
this because we're still in season two.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
That's still new.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I'm feeling a new table really yep? Okay, yeah, we've
got a few weeks to sort out a new table.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah okay, well you put yourself up for it now, handywork, No, no.
Speaker 16 (38:30):
Table.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah. We hope you've enjoyed listening to wiggle Talk so
far season two, and I hope you enjoyed the little
highlights you're all and there'll be more from us. Don't
you worry about that. We just don't stop. We're just
like a podcasting machine here, aren't we.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
We are.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
And if you if you enjoy you mean enjoying wiggle Talk,
how your friends?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Yes, rate us, review us, and we'll see you soon. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Thanks listening to wiggle Talk. It's a podcast for parents.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Goodbye,
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