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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Comfortably the biggest story in the world at the moment,
the amount of the heat that this has had since
it emerged, the idea of these freak offs, the celebrities,
names that have been dragged through, the allegations, as horrific
as they are long, the list of people involved, the
crimes heinous. It's intense. It is as full on as
it gets this so look before we get into it.
(00:22):
The lifelong number is thirteen eleven fourteen if you need
to contact someone this is triggering for you, or the
one hundred respect national hotline is one hundred and seventy
three seven seven three to one hundred, respect if you
need to call that. Let's get into the details, though,
because there's so much to cover here. And Angela Bishop,
entertainment editor from Network ten, joins us right now again
(00:42):
on Will and what do you hello?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Bish, Hello, how are you doing? I've never seen a
case like this, I tell ye.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
He's so staggering. First, really basic question, what has actually
been alleged here? What is Sean being accused of?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So the charges which sound a bit confusing to us
because they're not charges we kind of have in our
legal system over here, but racketeering sex trafficking by force, fraud,
and coercion, but essentially saying that he abused, allegedly abused,
coerced and threatened women and others around him to fulfill
sexual desires and protect his reputation and conceal his conduct.
(01:24):
And this relates to these freak offs, the parties that
that have we've famously heard of that we will be
expecting to see videos from regresses.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So they were just a freak off. Is just a
party that he would host? Is that right, Andrew? Is
there more information on what a freak off is?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
The freak off was was you know sometimes you know
it was sexual, which which Fiddy says, were you know
shorn times alleges was consensual and private, but envolved numerous
people and they were sometimes goes for days. The prosecutor
Emily Johnson today said about Cassie Ventura, who's one of
(02:06):
the witnesses in the trial, half of every week Cassie
was in a dark hotel room, high and awake for
days performing sex act she did not want to on
male escorts. So that is a description of a freak
gost that was given by the prosecutor today. It's important
to say that Sean Comebs maintains that everything was fully conceinered.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, he's saying that, Okay, hey, bish, I know sometimes
in the States when these trials hit the courts, you
know they're fully covered your allow TV cameras, et cetera
in there. You know, watched the Juice as he was
known O. J. Simpson up in the stand there, the
whole white guy, and we get to watch all of
these you know, the Amber heard Johnny Depp thing recently
(02:50):
was obviously screened everywhere. This doesn't appear to be that way,
is that right now?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
One hundred percent? We're going on court sketches which show
Combs as with gray hair, looking vastly different to how
I mean, certainly how he looked when I interviewed him
back in nineteen ninety eight when he was King of
the World and soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, I was a little bit of a flex even
in amongst a story like this, you managed to get
a bit of a flex out the.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
What was he like?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And he really was one of the biggest stars on
the planet. He just recorded the theme song Come with
Me for Godzilla with Jimmy Page from Legs Up and
you might rememror it sampled Kashmir the led zeppelon song,
and so they were doing the interviews together for that thing.
And you know the security on aurage around and the
(03:40):
entourage around him, the way people almost genuflected in his presence.
He was very much one of the biggest stars uder
his fingers.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
He's working with everybody's such as his music. He's the
guy that people are going to. And I feel like
this is this almost i want to say, relationship of
coercion and control all that he's being accused of. Obviously,
all of this is alleged to this.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
State power was Certainly it's what you would say. So
now in court today, his hair's all gray. He had
his mother and three of his daughters in court hearing
some pretty graphic evidence. The male sex worker also testified
today as to acts he was paid to perform with
(04:24):
Cassie Ventura in front of Diddy. And again this is
in the situation. So his three daughters and his mother
are in court hearing this evidence today. So we just
have court sketches of this, and Diddy and commtual and
comes through the trial would turn around and see supporters
and do thumbs up and heart signals, and the like
(04:46):
and there were other supporters there too, fans as well
outside the court, So you know this is going to
be a very very closely watched, widely reported on trial. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I think the thing that is most terrifying for me
the amount of people that have been implicated and how
this has been covered up for so long. So could
you maybe because I mean I'm seeing names, it's terrifying.
I mean, again, it's all alleged at this stage. But
you know, we've obviously all heard rumors about people like
Biba being involved, jay Z, Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I read today, Mike Myers, Michael b Jordan, Kid Guddy,
Kanye West. They are we crossing lines here? And are
these not all names that have been confirmed as to
having some level of involvement?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, not in an involvement or implicational level. What some
of the names you just mentioned were mentioned when they
were selecting the jury pool last week. They were names
that were mentioned where they were gauging the jury's understanding
or awareness of those people, without making any implication or
claim as to what why they would be asking those questions. Okay,
(05:54):
the most times, those famous names like Martha Stewart and
Oprah and Prince and all of those have been linked
and were just because they were at they were at
or invited and intel to the White Parties, right, which
are you know, separate to the freak offs. The White
Parties were a very public, massively attended event that were
(06:16):
covered in the social media that he ran. It was
a coveted party to go to the side power people
coveted an invitation to these parties because for twenty years, honestly,
he was one of the most incredibly powerful people in
the entertainment business.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And so the other part of that, which I think
is interesting is the fact that if he is that powerful,
although not surprising, none of this came out. You know,
this is you know another like you know often the
horror of these cases is these people who are so
powerful and so influential they are able to keep it
covered up for so long. And I thought a part
of this, I don't know if this has come out
in the trial yet already was that he would he
(06:57):
would film everything so if somebody else got involved with
this in any way, he would be able to say
to them, hey, look I've actually filmed you being involved
here and heinsy can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, the prosecution has said as much, and that forms
part of the charges and says, in fact, the Cassie
Ventura was threatened at the videos that Sean had made
of her having sex with male sex workers. He threatened
to go public with them and ruin her career and
ruin her life, and that that's why. So that is
(07:27):
part of the prosecution's allegations. On the other hand, Sean
Combe's defense says that he is a complicated man, that
this is all about love, jealousy, infidelity, and money. This
is a quote I'm giving you. And while he might
have unconventional sexual tendencies, they were all adult and consensual
(07:47):
and done within the confines of a relationship. They considered
he used drugs, They considered he was violent. They considered
that the jury might find that he's mean or a jerk,
but they stressed His defense lays that that is not
what he is being charged with, right, so what is.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So what's the difference here?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Then?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What is he being charged with? Then if the prosecution
manages to pull it off, what's the sentence looking like?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's with this coercion, force and fraud forcing people to
partake in this mind.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And that's where the other celebs are tied in right,
so he gets you know insert and these are all
A graders around.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We don't know that allegedly.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Though, but this is what we're hearing, and the you know,
if everyone's been reading on Reddit or TikTok or wherever
the hell you've been watching this sort of stuff, there
are A grade names that are being implicated with him,
and then it's being implied that he's threatening them afterwards
by saying I've got footage of you doing this there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
As I said, They're expecting to show videos from these
Greek offs later in the trial so that will become clear.
The video they did show today was that video that
I'm sure none of us can forget seen that was
of Cathie Venturer and Sean Cones in the hotel Intercontinental
Yes where weekly seen beating her up. That was shown
(09:03):
in court today and the security guard who was contacted
to go and see them in the room said, oh,
you're going to have to take He testified that he
told them they'll have to take their fight back inside
the room, and that Seawn Combs then offered him cash
to make the video go away. He said he saw
that as a bride and he did not accept it.
The prosecution then alleged that another security guard was paid
(09:25):
one hundred thousand dollars by Shawn Combs to make that
video disappear, which it clearly did not, but it certainly
didn't surface for a long time.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Just speaking of you know, people of wanting things to disappear.
I also read today that there's this victim, Victim three,
who was supposed to be a key witness for the prosecution.
They've gone missing.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's right. This is reported by Deadline. They said that
Victim three, as she's called, they have not been able
to find her, and that she is a crucial witness
because there are four crucial witnesses in this trial. She's
allegedly non New York based, and that that could bring
the case to a standstill at some stage, and they
(10:11):
don't think it's enough to lead to a mistrial, but
it could lead to a pause or a change in
direction of the trial. But yeah, that's that's sort of
all we're hearing about that because of course her identity
is being protected, and even understand what the identity of
these of these witnesses is being very much protected.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, it's just I mean, it's kind of hard to
strike the line here between how much we're all leaning
into this and covering this and then obviously, you know,
remembering the fact that in this victim three instance, that
you know there are people involved in this, you know,
people's lives have been ruined irreparably. It's full on and.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It is and it's expected to go for eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, well one hundred perspective, people want to call that
number or thirteen eleven fourteen if you need to call
that number as well as a lifeline number.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And I would suggest that the evidence that's been given
is very graphic. So if I would suggest morning before
you read, before you read more about actually what was said,
because I've been very careful, you know, to keep it
sort of yeah, yeah, PG. You know, the stuff that's
(11:21):
online and the reporting from the trolley is really quite graphic,
and that does affect you. I'd recommend you don't read it.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's that's good for you to mention that. Thank you
so much and thanks for covering that. I know that's
full on and I'm pretty heavy hitting stuff, so thank
you so much for that. Really appreciate it. Angela Bishop
entertaining it at Network tend always a pleasure to have
you on the show mate. Thank you,
Comfortably the biggest story in the world at the moment,
the amount of the heat that this has had since
it emerged, the idea of these freak offs, the celebrities,
names that have been dragged through, the allegations, as horrific
as they are long, the list of people involved, the
crimes heinous. It's intense. It is as full on as
it gets this so look before we get into it.
(00:22):
The lifelong number is thirteen eleven fourteen if you need
to contact someone this is triggering for you, or the
one hundred respect national hotline is one hundred and seventy
three seven seven three to one hundred, respect if you
need to call that. Let's get into the details, though,
because there's so much to cover here. And Angela Bishop,
entertainment editor from Network ten, joins us right now again
(00:42):
on Will and what do you hello?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Bish, Hello, how are you doing? I've never seen a
case like this, I tell ye.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
He's so staggering. First, really basic question, what has actually
been alleged here? What is Sean being accused of?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So the charges which sound a bit confusing to us
because they're not charges we kind of have in our
legal system over here, but racketeering sex trafficking by force, fraud,
and coercion, but essentially saying that he abused, allegedly abused,
coerced and threatened women and others around him to fulfill
sexual desires and protect his reputation and conceal his conduct.
(01:24):
And this relates to these freak offs, the parties that
that have we've famously heard of that we will be
expecting to see videos from regresses.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So they were just a freak off. Is just a
party that he would host? Is that right, Andrew? Is
there more information on what a freak off is?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
The freak off was was you know sometimes you know
it was sexual, which which Fiddy says, were you know
shorn times alleges was consensual and private, but envolved numerous
people and they were sometimes goes for days. The prosecutor
Emily Johnson today said about Cassie Ventura, who's one of
(02:06):
the witnesses in the trial, half of every week Cassie
was in a dark hotel room, high and awake for
days performing sex act she did not want to on
male escorts. So that is a description of a freak
gost that was given by the prosecutor today. It's important
to say that Sean Comebs maintains that everything was fully conceinered.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, he's saying that, Okay, hey, bish, I know sometimes
in the States when these trials hit the courts, you
know they're fully covered your allow TV cameras, et cetera
in there. You know, watched the Juice as he was
known O. J. Simpson up in the stand there, the
whole white guy, and we get to watch all of
these you know, the Amber heard Johnny Depp thing recently
(02:50):
was obviously screened everywhere. This doesn't appear to be that way,
is that right now?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
One hundred percent? We're going on court sketches which show
Combs as with gray hair, looking vastly different to how
I mean, certainly how he looked when I interviewed him
back in nineteen ninety eight when he was King of
the World and soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, I was a little bit of a flex even
in amongst a story like this, you managed to get
a bit of a flex out the.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
What was he like?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And he really was one of the biggest stars on
the planet. He just recorded the theme song Come with
Me for Godzilla with Jimmy Page from Legs Up and
you might rememror it sampled Kashmir the led zeppelon song,
and so they were doing the interviews together for that thing.
And you know the security on aurage around and the
(03:40):
entourage around him, the way people almost genuflected in his presence.
He was very much one of the biggest stars uder
his fingers.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
He's working with everybody's such as his music. He's the
guy that people are going to. And I feel like
this is this almost i want to say, relationship of
coercion and control all that he's being accused of. Obviously,
all of this is alleged to this.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
State power was Certainly it's what you would say. So
now in court today, his hair's all gray. He had
his mother and three of his daughters in court hearing
some pretty graphic evidence. The male sex worker also testified
today as to acts he was paid to perform with
(04:24):
Cassie Ventura in front of Diddy. And again this is
in the situation. So his three daughters and his mother
are in court hearing this evidence today. So we just
have court sketches of this, and Diddy and commtual and
comes through the trial would turn around and see supporters
and do thumbs up and heart signals, and the like
(04:46):
and there were other supporters there too, fans as well
outside the court, So you know this is going to
be a very very closely watched, widely reported on trial. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I think the thing that is most terrifying for me
the amount of people that have been implicated and how
this has been covered up for so long. So could
you maybe because I mean I'm seeing names, it's terrifying.
I mean, again, it's all alleged at this stage. But
you know, we've obviously all heard rumors about people like
Biba being involved, jay Z, Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I read today, Mike Myers, Michael b Jordan, Kid Guddy,
Kanye West. They are we crossing lines here? And are
these not all names that have been confirmed as to
having some level of involvement?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, not in an involvement or implicational level. What some
of the names you just mentioned were mentioned when they
were selecting the jury pool last week. They were names
that were mentioned where they were gauging the jury's understanding
or awareness of those people, without making any implication or
claim as to what why they would be asking those questions. Okay,
(05:54):
the most times, those famous names like Martha Stewart and
Oprah and Prince and all of those have been linked
and were just because they were at they were at
or invited and intel to the White Parties, right, which
are you know, separate to the freak offs. The White
Parties were a very public, massively attended event that were
(06:16):
covered in the social media that he ran. It was
a coveted party to go to the side power people
coveted an invitation to these parties because for twenty years, honestly,
he was one of the most incredibly powerful people in
the entertainment business.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And so the other part of that, which I think
is interesting is the fact that if he is that powerful,
although not surprising, none of this came out. You know,
this is you know another like you know often the
horror of these cases is these people who are so
powerful and so influential they are able to keep it
covered up for so long. And I thought a part
of this, I don't know if this has come out
in the trial yet already was that he would he
(06:57):
would film everything so if somebody else got involved with
this in any way, he would be able to say
to them, hey, look I've actually filmed you being involved
here and heinsy can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, the prosecution has said as much, and that forms
part of the charges and says, in fact, the Cassie
Ventura was threatened at the videos that Sean had made
of her having sex with male sex workers. He threatened
to go public with them and ruin her career and
ruin her life, and that that's why. So that is
(07:27):
part of the prosecution's allegations. On the other hand, Sean
Combe's defense says that he is a complicated man, that
this is all about love, jealousy, infidelity, and money. This
is a quote I'm giving you. And while he might
have unconventional sexual tendencies, they were all adult and consensual
(07:47):
and done within the confines of a relationship. They considered
he used drugs, They considered he was violent. They considered
that the jury might find that he's mean or a jerk,
but they stressed His defense lays that that is not
what he is being charged with, right, so what is.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So what's the difference here?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Then?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What is he being charged with? Then if the prosecution
manages to pull it off, what's the sentence looking like?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's with this coercion, force and fraud forcing people to
partake in this mind.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And that's where the other celebs are tied in right,
so he gets you know insert and these are all
A graders around.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We don't know that allegedly.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Though, but this is what we're hearing, and the you know,
if everyone's been reading on Reddit or TikTok or wherever
the hell you've been watching this sort of stuff, there
are A grade names that are being implicated with him,
and then it's being implied that he's threatening them afterwards
by saying I've got footage of you doing this there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
As I said, They're expecting to show videos from these
Greek offs later in the trial so that will become clear.
The video they did show today was that video that
I'm sure none of us can forget seen that was
of Cathie Venturer and Sean Cones in the hotel Intercontinental
Yes where weekly seen beating her up. That was shown
(09:03):
in court today and the security guard who was contacted
to go and see them in the room said, oh,
you're going to have to take He testified that he
told them they'll have to take their fight back inside
the room, and that Seawn Combs then offered him cash
to make the video go away. He said he saw
that as a bride and he did not accept it.
The prosecution then alleged that another security guard was paid
(09:25):
one hundred thousand dollars by Shawn Combs to make that
video disappear, which it clearly did not, but it certainly
didn't surface for a long time.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Just speaking of you know, people of wanting things to disappear.
I also read today that there's this victim, Victim three,
who was supposed to be a key witness for the prosecution.
They've gone missing.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's right. This is reported by Deadline. They said that
Victim three, as she's called, they have not been able
to find her, and that she is a crucial witness
because there are four crucial witnesses in this trial. She's
allegedly non New York based, and that that could bring
the case to a standstill at some stage, and they
(10:11):
don't think it's enough to lead to a mistrial, but
it could lead to a pause or a change in
direction of the trial. But yeah, that's that's sort of
all we're hearing about that because of course her identity
is being protected, and even understand what the identity of
these of these witnesses is being very much protected.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, it's just I mean, it's kind of hard to
strike the line here between how much we're all leaning
into this and covering this and then obviously, you know,
remembering the fact that in this victim three instance, that
you know there are people involved in this, you know,
people's lives have been ruined irreparably. It's full on and.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It is and it's expected to go for eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, well one hundred perspective, people want to call that
number or thirteen eleven fourteen if you need to call
that number as well as a lifeline number.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And I would suggest that the evidence that's been given
is very graphic. So if I would suggest morning before
you read, before you read more about actually what was said,
because I've been very careful, you know, to keep it
sort of yeah, yeah, PG. You know, the stuff that's
(11:21):
online and the reporting from the trolley is really quite graphic,
and that does affect you. I'd recommend you don't read it.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's that's good for you to mention that. Thank you
so much and thanks for covering that. I know that's
full on and I'm pretty heavy hitting stuff, so thank
you so much for that. Really appreciate it. Angela Bishop
entertaining it at Network tend always a pleasure to have
you on the show mate. Thank you,
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