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Speaker 1 (00:10):
My Heart podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on the free iHeart.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
App's got a very special guest in the studio. We're
both enormous fans of this TV show Heartbreak High on Netflix.
When it rebirted, it really did change the game for
Ossie TV for viewing of Ossie TV. Streaming of Ossie TV,
and the host of young actors are sort of coming
through was truly staggering. I think everyone in particular was
(00:36):
blown away by the character of Quinnie from Heartbreak High,
who played this autistic young woman trying to find her
way in Heartbreak High. And that young woman was played
by Chloe Hayden, who joins us right now on Willem.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
What do you Welcome to the show, Kloe.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Thank you so much for having me, So great to
have you here, mate.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
First question, we love you, We love Joey. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Did you miss the character of Quinnie because you so
you wrapped up filming season three, which is the final season. Yea,
when when did you wrap up filming that?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
In February?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
In feb Yeah, are you missing Quinnie?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I think so, But I also think when you are
with a character for that long, and when you put
so much of yourself into a character, they kind of
stay with you forever. I don't think. I think Quinnie
stays with me and we'll do so forever now because.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You are you actually you actually are autistic, right I am? Yes.
So I was listening to a great podcast on the
movie rain Man with Dustin Hoffman where he goes on
to win the Academy Award for playing an autistic guy.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm I have you seen the movie?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Have you heard of the movie?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I know of the movie because when I was first
diagnosed as autistic, people would tell me, but you can't
be autistic because you're nothing like rain Man.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You're kidding war you'd actually have people saying that to you.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It happens to me now where people will say to me, oh,
but you can't be autistic because I've seen The Good
Doctor or I've seen Sheldon Cooper. And this is the
issue of non AUTI stick people playing autistic characters, artistic
writers making autistic stories. Your perception of autism is wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
That's what I was version of autism, which is not
actually correct.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So he kicked off a spate of movies where actors
who didn't have autism or didn't have some sort of
cognitive disability, started playing people who did, and it was
kind of the formula for them to win awards, which
I think kind of all fell in a heap. It
kind of got progressively worse until Sean Penn was doing
(02:43):
I Am Sam, which I think everyone was just like,
this is ridiculous. I don't know, you've just sketched out
a little bit of it there, But what do you
think about that in general, about people who don't actually
have autism or whatever it is, ADHD, whatever it is,
playing people that do.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I don't think people are aware even still of just
how much of a hold media and films and these
characters have on the way that we perceive, particularly people
in minority groups, because for a lot of people, their
only understanding of, for example, autism, comes from these films.
(03:21):
And when you are a young girl who is nothing
like these characters, because these characters aren't real and for
most of these characters, particularly in these older movies, aren't
even rooted in realism, you end up with this feeling
like you're not supposed to be here because you get
a diagnosis, like I felt my entire life, like I
wasn't supposed to be here because I never saw myself anywhere,
(03:44):
and then I get a diagnosis and I know that
I'm autistic, And the only understanding of autism is either
these film characters that are being played by people that
probably didn't even learn about autism through an actually autistic person,
or people that are non autistic quote unquote professionals who
are telling me what my brain is in an incorrect
(04:06):
sense and from a medicalized viewpoint. You haven't even deeper
understanding that you're not supposed to be here. Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So, Chloe, does that mean that when you were making
Heartbreak High, were you in direct communication with the writers
and directors and whatnot just around like Well, actually, I
don't think Quinnie the character would respond like that or
act like that because you do have the experience of
having autism. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I was really lucky with Heartbreak High that Quinnie was
written by an inspired by an autistic person themselves.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Okay, Yeah, we then.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Also had autistic consults on the team as well, and
I also was able to put in my own experience
as well. So and we can see the difference between
someone like Quinnie where people see themselves in her and
she's used as an example of what real autism is.
I received dozens of messages every single day from people
who have gotten diagnosed because of her, or from parents
(04:58):
and teachers and siblings and friends who see Quinny and
send me a message saying I understand my child, friend, etc.
A little bit better now because of her. That doesn't
happen when rain Men misplaying.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, right, that is it really does frame it a
whole nother lot, and it actually kind of makes it
a bit disgusting now I think about it, because it's
clearly just a way for them to beef up a story,
and really it became almost like a notch on the
belt for those actors, and it's very.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Much used as that diversity tick, and we still kind
of are to a point using disabled people as a
little bit of a tick in the box for diversity.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I had to get that done, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I think we can get to a point where
and we need to get to a point where it
isn't even considered diversity, because it just is. If you
see someone walking down the street and they're an amputee,
you don't go brilliant diversity, you go, that's just a
bloat walking down the street. You notice the hat, not
the wheelchair exactly exactly, like we need to start seeing
the same amount of people that we are seeing on
(06:00):
the street.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That are disabled.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
We need to see that same amount of people on
the telly as well.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, that's so cool quitting from Heartbreak high on Netflix
it. If you managed to catch her there, then you would
have enjoyed that. She's inn here of though, for Lego
Austras brand new. She built that campaign, So head to
ww Lego dot Comford to get around that. Chloe, Welcome
back to Willawoody. Let's talk a little bit about this.
This she built that campaign. What's it all about?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So she built that is a Lego brand campaign where
we are showcasing how incredible and intelligent and imaginative and
ingenuitive young girls are and highlighting them in a way
that we just kind of socially haven't been When we
think of ingenuity or creativity, we tend to see that
(06:44):
from a male scope and from a male lens. So
putting it onto these young girls, showcasing these young girls.
We've got three girls in this campaign. One of them
is an Emmy winning actor. One of them is on
the road to the World Surf Champs. One of them
is an entrepreneur, Like I want to be these girls
when I grow up and they're like fourteen years old.
They are the most incredible girls that are doing incredible
(07:07):
things right now and are living their own life and
their own legacy and showcasing to other young girls that
they can do so as well. Like I said, media
tells us how we can and should be, and we
now have young girls that other young girls can go. Oh,
I didn't know when I could do that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's such a boat initiative because there's an old saying
of if you don't see it, you can't be it,
which is just I imagine for you growing up as a
young girl when you just don't see women in these
roles or these occupations or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's like, oh, so I'm not I can't do that.
It's been wonderful having you in here, mate.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Speaking of Heartbreak High and television last year at the Logos,
I know you guys wrapped up at two am the
finale of Heartbreak High, then you went straight in to
the Logis. We're actually going to the Logis this year.
We're going to take someone with us as well. Actually,
Chloe so I think you've been on the other side
of the red carpet of the logies, haven't you.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I have. I was that girl who would camp out
at the front of red carpets for Logis and the
Arias so I could have the opportunity to maybe make
eye contact. And like, I've actually got photos in my
phone from like like six years ago, like not very
long ago, people that I now consider some of my
closest friends, and I think.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That's really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Like I like, I'm never gonna take this industry for granted, man,
because I had these people on my wall up until
I went, well, that's a bit weird now because you've
been in my house.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Who was like the number one person that you were
just obsessed with six years ago?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Okay? So I would say, like from a non Australian landscape,
I am the biggest one Direction fan that has literally.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Ever walked the earth, like ever ever ever.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Walked the earth. Camped out the front for like three
days to see Harry Styles and Nile Horn. I flew
to the other side of WORBD see Louie Thomlins and
sing one song at a festival once like like it's
embarrassing it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So are you saying you got to meet some of these?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I have met Nile Horne a few times, and I'm
actually really good friends with his dad.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Girl friends with les dad.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He actually knew my granddad weirdly enough, so he sent
me a message on Facebook when I was like twenty,
because I used to do YouTube first, and he watched
one of my Nile Horrn videos and he went love
the video like I'm Nile Horn's dad, and I was like, cop,
like that's not I have learned about stranger danger. I
know you're lying and then literally and then he's like no, no,
(09:35):
like real, real, real, And then he sends me a
video and this was before chat GPT or like AI
was a thing, and he goes, hey, pretend I have
an Irish accent right now. He's like, hey, it's Bobby Horran,
I'm Nile's dad. Here's proof. And then he just starts
showing like all of like the platinum albums and stuff,
and we've been to his house before. And then he
(09:56):
found out that my granddad were Irish and my granddad
was a truck driver in Island, and he's like, I
knew your granddad. We were like we were mates.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh so well, so much.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, nobody saw that game d M from Nile Warren's Dad's.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Got celebrity dms.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You message backs.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
That's great for cybersecurity reasons.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Don't do that next time the Nigerian prince reaches out,
he does need money? Ready does get him out of there.
So we're going to the logis. We're going to take
a look alike with us as well votings over the
sixty fifth TV week a Logi awardspisode. To vote your
favorite stars shows, head to the TV week Logoies dot
com dot a U and watch the TV week Logos
(10:44):
live from Sydney Sunday, August three on seven to see
who wins. We're going to fly in a doppelganger, so
a phony at the logis. You go to Willlingwoo dot com.
You can nominate yourself on the wind page to be
the doppelganger.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Have you ever seen like, do you know of.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Any celebrity doppelganger? It's like at all, Chloe, that that
you think we would be able to sneak into the
logis looking like another celebrity.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I've been on red carpets before and I had people
go on your Taylor Joy, on your Taylor Joy, come
and get a photo with me. So you're I mean,
I'm already going to the legals this year because I'm nominated.
If you want to vote for me, bring me is
on your Taylor Joy. I am. I could be available.
(11:27):
It's TikTok ones where like people that like there's like
thousands of people go to the New York Park and
have like Timothy Shallon.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
May look do that winder Street station.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
We could not do any work and let's just use
Chloe to be and your Taylor.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's a double win. Chloe, it's been such a treat
having you in the studio. Mate, thank you so much
for coming in. Congratulations on all your success and all
the future success. And we've loved watching you, loved having
you in and we reckon You're brilliant, So thanks coming on,
will thank you. Pleasure
My Heart podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on the free iHeart.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
App's got a very special guest in the studio. We're
both enormous fans of this TV show Heartbreak High on Netflix.
When it rebirted, it really did change the game for
Ossie TV for viewing of Ossie TV. Streaming of Ossie TV,
and the host of young actors are sort of coming
through was truly staggering. I think everyone in particular was
(00:36):
blown away by the character of Quinnie from Heartbreak High,
who played this autistic young woman trying to find her
way in Heartbreak High. And that young woman was played
by Chloe Hayden, who joins us right now on Willem.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
What do you Welcome to the show, Kloe.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Thank you so much for having me, So great to
have you here, mate.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
First question, we love you, We love Joey. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Did you miss the character of Quinnie because you so
you wrapped up filming season three, which is the final season. Yea,
when when did you wrap up filming that?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
In February?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
In feb Yeah, are you missing Quinnie?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I think so, But I also think when you are
with a character for that long, and when you put
so much of yourself into a character, they kind of
stay with you forever. I don't think. I think Quinnie
stays with me and we'll do so forever now because.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You are you actually you actually are autistic, right I am? Yes.
So I was listening to a great podcast on the
movie rain Man with Dustin Hoffman where he goes on
to win the Academy Award for playing an autistic guy.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm I have you seen the movie?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Have you heard of the movie?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I know of the movie because when I was first
diagnosed as autistic, people would tell me, but you can't
be autistic because you're nothing like rain Man.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You're kidding war you'd actually have people saying that to you.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It happens to me now where people will say to me, oh,
but you can't be autistic because I've seen The Good
Doctor or I've seen Sheldon Cooper. And this is the
issue of non AUTI stick people playing autistic characters, artistic
writers making autistic stories. Your perception of autism is wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
That's what I was version of autism, which is not
actually correct.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So he kicked off a spate of movies where actors
who didn't have autism or didn't have some sort of
cognitive disability, started playing people who did, and it was
kind of the formula for them to win awards, which
I think kind of all fell in a heap. It
kind of got progressively worse until Sean Penn was doing
(02:43):
I Am Sam, which I think everyone was just like,
this is ridiculous. I don't know, you've just sketched out
a little bit of it there, But what do you
think about that in general, about people who don't actually
have autism or whatever it is, ADHD, whatever it is,
playing people that do.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I don't think people are aware even still of just
how much of a hold media and films and these
characters have on the way that we perceive, particularly people
in minority groups, because for a lot of people, their
only understanding of, for example, autism, comes from these films.
(03:21):
And when you are a young girl who is nothing
like these characters, because these characters aren't real and for
most of these characters, particularly in these older movies, aren't
even rooted in realism, you end up with this feeling
like you're not supposed to be here because you get
a diagnosis, like I felt my entire life, like I
wasn't supposed to be here because I never saw myself anywhere,
(03:44):
and then I get a diagnosis and I know that
I'm autistic, And the only understanding of autism is either
these film characters that are being played by people that
probably didn't even learn about autism through an actually autistic person,
or people that are non autistic quote unquote professionals who
are telling me what my brain is in an incorrect
(04:06):
sense and from a medicalized viewpoint. You haven't even deeper
understanding that you're not supposed to be here. Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So, Chloe, does that mean that when you were making
Heartbreak High, were you in direct communication with the writers
and directors and whatnot just around like Well, actually, I
don't think Quinnie the character would respond like that or
act like that because you do have the experience of
having autism. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I was really lucky with Heartbreak High that Quinnie was
written by an inspired by an autistic person themselves.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Okay, Yeah, we then.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Also had autistic consults on the team as well, and
I also was able to put in my own experience
as well. So and we can see the difference between
someone like Quinnie where people see themselves in her and
she's used as an example of what real autism is.
I received dozens of messages every single day from people
who have gotten diagnosed because of her, or from parents
(04:58):
and teachers and siblings and friends who see Quinny and
send me a message saying I understand my child, friend, etc.
A little bit better now because of her. That doesn't
happen when rain Men misplaying.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, right, that is it really does frame it a
whole nother lot, and it actually kind of makes it
a bit disgusting now I think about it, because it's
clearly just a way for them to beef up a story,
and really it became almost like a notch on the
belt for those actors, and it's very.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Much used as that diversity tick, and we still kind
of are to a point using disabled people as a
little bit of a tick in the box for diversity.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I had to get that done, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I think we can get to a point where
and we need to get to a point where it
isn't even considered diversity, because it just is. If you
see someone walking down the street and they're an amputee,
you don't go brilliant diversity, you go, that's just a
bloat walking down the street. You notice the hat, not
the wheelchair exactly exactly, like we need to start seeing
the same amount of people that we are seeing on
(06:00):
the street.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That are disabled.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
We need to see that same amount of people on
the telly as well.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, that's so cool quitting from Heartbreak high on Netflix
it. If you managed to catch her there, then you would
have enjoyed that. She's inn here of though, for Lego
Austras brand new. She built that campaign, So head to
ww Lego dot Comford to get around that. Chloe, Welcome
back to Willawoody. Let's talk a little bit about this.
This she built that campaign. What's it all about?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So she built that is a Lego brand campaign where
we are showcasing how incredible and intelligent and imaginative and
ingenuitive young girls are and highlighting them in a way
that we just kind of socially haven't been When we
think of ingenuity or creativity, we tend to see that
(06:44):
from a male scope and from a male lens. So
putting it onto these young girls, showcasing these young girls.
We've got three girls in this campaign. One of them
is an Emmy winning actor. One of them is on
the road to the World Surf Champs. One of them
is an entrepreneur, Like I want to be these girls
when I grow up and they're like fourteen years old.
They are the most incredible girls that are doing incredible
(07:07):
things right now and are living their own life and
their own legacy and showcasing to other young girls that
they can do so as well. Like I said, media
tells us how we can and should be, and we
now have young girls that other young girls can go. Oh,
I didn't know when I could do that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's such a boat initiative because there's an old saying
of if you don't see it, you can't be it,
which is just I imagine for you growing up as a
young girl when you just don't see women in these
roles or these occupations or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's like, oh, so I'm not I can't do that.
It's been wonderful having you in here, mate.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Speaking of Heartbreak High and television last year at the Logos,
I know you guys wrapped up at two am the
finale of Heartbreak High, then you went straight in to
the Logis. We're actually going to the Logis this year.
We're going to take someone with us as well. Actually,
Chloe so I think you've been on the other side
of the red carpet of the logies, haven't you.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I have. I was that girl who would camp out
at the front of red carpets for Logis and the
Arias so I could have the opportunity to maybe make
eye contact. And like, I've actually got photos in my
phone from like like six years ago, like not very
long ago, people that I now consider some of my
closest friends, and I think.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That's really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Like I like, I'm never gonna take this industry for granted, man,
because I had these people on my wall up until
I went, well, that's a bit weird now because you've
been in my house.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Who was like the number one person that you were
just obsessed with six years ago?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Okay? So I would say, like from a non Australian landscape,
I am the biggest one Direction fan that has literally.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Ever walked the earth, like ever ever ever.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Walked the earth. Camped out the front for like three
days to see Harry Styles and Nile Horn. I flew
to the other side of WORBD see Louie Thomlins and
sing one song at a festival once like like it's
embarrassing it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So are you saying you got to meet some of these?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I have met Nile Horne a few times, and I'm
actually really good friends with his dad.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Girl friends with les dad.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He actually knew my granddad weirdly enough, so he sent
me a message on Facebook when I was like twenty,
because I used to do YouTube first, and he watched
one of my Nile Horrn videos and he went love
the video like I'm Nile Horn's dad, and I was like, cop,
like that's not I have learned about stranger danger. I
know you're lying and then literally and then he's like no, no,
(09:35):
like real, real, real, And then he sends me a
video and this was before chat GPT or like AI
was a thing, and he goes, hey, pretend I have
an Irish accent right now. He's like, hey, it's Bobby Horran,
I'm Nile's dad. Here's proof. And then he just starts
showing like all of like the platinum albums and stuff,
and we've been to his house before. And then he
(09:56):
found out that my granddad were Irish and my granddad
was a truck driver in Island, and he's like, I
knew your granddad. We were like we were mates.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh so well, so much.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, nobody saw that game d M from Nile Warren's Dad's.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Got celebrity dms.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You message backs.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
That's great for cybersecurity reasons.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Don't do that next time the Nigerian prince reaches out,
he does need money? Ready does get him out of there.
So we're going to the logis. We're going to take
a look alike with us as well votings over the
sixty fifth TV week a Logi awardspisode. To vote your
favorite stars shows, head to the TV week Logoies dot
com dot a U and watch the TV week Logos
(10:44):
live from Sydney Sunday, August three on seven to see
who wins. We're going to fly in a doppelganger, so
a phony at the logis. You go to Willlingwoo dot com.
You can nominate yourself on the wind page to be
the doppelganger.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Have you ever seen like, do you know of.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Any celebrity doppelganger? It's like at all, Chloe, that that
you think we would be able to sneak into the
logis looking like another celebrity.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I've been on red carpets before and I had people
go on your Taylor Joy, on your Taylor Joy, come
and get a photo with me. So you're I mean,
I'm already going to the legals this year because I'm nominated.
If you want to vote for me, bring me is
on your Taylor Joy. I am. I could be available.
(11:27):
It's TikTok ones where like people that like there's like
thousands of people go to the New York Park and
have like Timothy Shallon.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
May look do that winder Street station.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
We could not do any work and let's just use
Chloe to be and your Taylor.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's a double win. Chloe, it's been such a treat
having you in the studio. Mate, thank you so much
for coming in. Congratulations on all your success and all
the future success. And we've loved watching you, loved having
you in and we reckon You're brilliant, So thanks coming on,
will thank you. Pleasure
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