August 18, 2025 • 26 mins
Nick Yarris shouldn’t be alive…
On December 21 1981, Nick and a friend stole a car. When arrested, he got into a physical confrontation with a police officer who claimed he was trying to kidnap him and attempting to murder him. When in jail, he saw a newspaper headline about the murder and rape of Linda Mae Craig, a woman who had been abducted in Delaware, USA. In an effort to win favour with the authorities and avoid the consequences of his pending charges, Yarris claimed that he knew who had committed the unsolved rape-murder. When the man he named, whom he had wrongly believed to be recently deceased, proved upon investigation to be plainly uninvolved, Yarris became the suspect number one. Nick was then charged with the abduction, rape and murder of Craig. After a short jury trial, Yarris was found guilty. In July 1982, at age 21, he was sentenced to death. He escaped custody when travelling from the sentence hearing. He was arrested in Florida a month later where he was returned to Pennsylvania’s death row.
In this interview, Nick discusses how his time in prison was one of the best things that ever happened to him; why Adrien Brody wants to portray him on stage and talks candidly about what it’s like to live on Death Row, knowing that you’re innocent.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello guys.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Just before we get into what I think is the
best interview we've ever done, just a very brief content warning.
This could be triggering for you guys. And whilst his
story is beautiful and amazing because of the perspective he's got,
really has been through some very tricky stuff, so it's
worth mentioning this is triggering for you. Lifel one number
is thirteen eleven fourteen. We can call one hundred respect.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm sitting behind the Vista Theater. Oh that's my RV
I'm living. And I met Sean Penn there and he
took us tooth out for me. I know. I walked
up to Sean Penn, Hey, we're doing a thing from
Michael Madsen at the Vista Theater that is owned by
Quentin Tarantino. I started talking to him. He knows who
I am from Adrian Brody playing me on stage in London.
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I said, look, I really apologize, Sean. I'm kind of
like spitting because I got this demo work going on.
He goes, no, shit, look what happened this morning? And
he took us tooth out and he showed me his
tooth and I was like, this is crazy. So it's
a mad life that I'm having right now. Gentlemen, Oh, totally.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, you know, Will and I have tried to stay
away from your story. So we like the audience that
are listening to right now, we'll be learning this as the.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Audience learns it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So ah, this is good. The first question maybes you ready?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, mate, we are ready. You you shouldn't be alive, Nick,
tell us.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Why other than being shot, stabbed, strangled, run over by
a car, hanging myself in a prison cell, and all
kind of mayhem. I was sentenced to death at the
age of twenty one for the rape and murder of
a woman I never met. My life. I spent twenty
three years on death Row in solitary confinement, and I
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escaped from death row at one point nineteen eighty five.
I was on the FBI's most wanted list for twenty
five days until I turned myself back in and they
put me on death row. Next it's Ted Bundy for
the next eight months. So me and Ted became acquainted
when he spit on me when I played with him
and taunted him. So and then I went back to
death row. I got beaten, severely contracted hepatitis CE. I
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was dying of the illness when I asked to be executed,
and in the twenty fifth hour they gave me the DNA.
Finally that proved my innocence.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh oh, my god, God wow.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I don't think I've experienced forty seconds like that in
my life.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Just hearing all of that, it's truth, Old mighty nick.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I took it easy on it.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
If we can go back to step one here, so
you are wrongly You are wrongly accused of ripe and
murder of someone you have never met before.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Through the folly of the following incidents. So at the
age of twenty, I was driving the stolen car. I
was a tear away. I wasn't listening to my folks.
I was high on drugs. I got pulled over by
a policeman who beat the hell out of me. He
pulled his gun out. We had a fight, and then
he lied on me and said that I tried to
murder him in all this crazy stuff. So I get
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thrown into prison, and the guy that was guilty of
burglar rising the prosecutor's home said that I confessed to
him of the rape and murder of a woman in
the area right so he could get out of his charges.
So I went to trial for the first chargers and
the jury found me not guilty for that policeman lying
on me. So then they started seeking the death penalty
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out of vengeance, and he gave me a three day
murder trial. So they sentenced me to die after the
jury went out for dinner break and they came back
and gave me the death penany so I was only
twenty one years old, and the crazy thing was will
the courthouse was struck by light and the day I
was sentenced to death and locked all the power up whoa,
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And I swear to God, it's in the newspapers and
everything I was taking upstairs, and I was looking at
all the people in the courtyard below, and there was
no sound because no air conditioning or anything, and they
were all looking up at me, and they all started
making noises and stuff. But I heard this thing in
my head said look them in they So when I
went back in the court, and it's in the newspapers,
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the judge couldn't look me in the eye. No one
could look me in the eye, and he sentenced me
to death without ever looking me in the face.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Oh that's horrible.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Man. If you think that's it's so deep that every
member of the jury that's sentenced me to death is
now dead.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Wow. You can't make it up. You can't. You can't
make any of this up.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So, Nick, you had twenty two years in prison. What
was that like?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
In solitary confinement? Insolitate? A bit of it was inlid. Yeah, man,
twenty three hours a day, twenty four hours a day,
all locked down.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
How do you deal with that? What is I mean?
I've got so many questions around. It's the first thing
that comes to me. Can you think of that time?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I found out two things about myself. One, you can't
go against your nature. If you're a loving person, nothing
will change that. If you're a kind person, you'll be
a kind person no matter what. So I read over
nine four hundred books before I turned the journal over documentary.
Each book that I read to my lawyers, and then
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I got other prisoners off of death row by doing
their legal work, and I helped men that were mentally
ill hang on as best as they could. In total,
I got three men off of death row and four
men out of the gallows themselves by my efforts. I
was the foremost knowledgeable person in DNA. I was pent
pals with Sir Alec Jeffries from Leicester University, who invented
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DNA testing for twelve years. That man guided me through
the process of learning DNA. Oh my, go on, I
read all of the world's religions. I can't tell you
the name, but I think you guys will be clever enough.
If I made an avatar of myself, maybe that person
would be now accepting the role to play me in
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a major motion picture coming soon.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Whoa jo, whoa.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
If I were an avatar, I think I've put two
and two together at that. Okay, sorry, but I can
actually say the likeness looking at your face as well,
which that is.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
That is awesome and sorry, right, and.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I can't say anything, but I just found out and
it's amazing that I'm on the cusp of going from
an RV that was given to me on the Native
American preservation to go on and having housing and finally
getting from the devastation that I know I've been homeless
the last four years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'm just actually speaking of playing you. So you mentioned
this before, but Adrian Brody is currently starring as you
in this play called The Fear of It, and he's going.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
To do it again and yeah, in next spring he's
going to be bringing it to New York City.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Now Radrian is doing it because apparently someone sent him
the script and he said, I couldn't get through this
script without crying.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So for a crime. Yeah, I know. I hung out
with him in London. The grain's supposed to say this,
but he took no money for playing me for months
in London, and he gave me that money. Oh wow, Wow,
this is a general, This is a genteel man. Do
you understand. Yeah, you know you don't get paid a
lot in the theater anyway. But he said, Nick, I
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can't take money from your hands, and I love you man. Wow.
I went up on stage and I read a fictitional
love letter to the woman that I was married to
in prison. I queued up the song hold on to
Your Heart by Man Man, and I walked off of
stage with a beautiful woman telling the audience that I
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wanted to fulfill being the hero of my own story
like in the many thousands of books that I read.
I wanted to have that panache, that ability to walk
out in that moment I didn't want to sell books
and hang out afterwards and beat everybody. I went off
to the Londoner in downtown London and had made love
to the woman I was in love with.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Man, Oh beautiful me.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Hey, Nick, you in your twenty two years on in
Soldier can find on death Row you said you read
nine four hundred books.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Is that right? That's correct?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
What was the best one?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The best one like a prophet by Yeah, that's because
he lost his whole family while writing it. That's a
great immigrant, that's his whole His whole family perished some
tuberculosis while I read it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
That's Alexander Dumas.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Because that's you, that's you, that would have given you
so much. There's a new movie about that, actually a
new French movie about that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And that's something so I love. And to Anton du
Saint Expury, the Little Prince, Oh yeah, yeah, that's sick.
I've read so many different books. I've read everything from
peercregard to seven six years of psychology studies. I worked
my ass off. I figured that they're going to waste
my time. I'm not you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, that's such amazing attitude. When you're on death row
for for so many years, Nick, are you living day
to day not knowing that you know it could be
your last day?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Or do you have an idea?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, man, no, Look I had a hustle going. I
was selling legal work, I was selling schoolworks. I was
a doughnut magnet. I was a football a gambling. I
grew up in death throw. I ran the place, man.
I did twelve years in a union that the average
rate of survival was only five. Man, they made me
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cage fight for money. Look at this body. I'm sixty
four years old. You are.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're an extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's call gundlinga yoga, and I'm a master of martial
arts that take street. One of the most deadly people
on the street. I ain't dragging. I would never hurt anybody,
but I had over fifty cage fights.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Whoa in prison? In prison?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, they were making me fight because I'm six to
two and I weighed over two hundred pounds. I was
able to make the money. A lot of the white
kids that were on death row couldn't fight.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh my, this is he got white for this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Hey, Nick, I'm reading here that you you didn't talk
for two years?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What's that about. I wasn't allowed to speak in myself
for the first two years. If they caught you speaking,
they came into your cell. They put a football helmet
on the nurse and a flak jacket, and four men
ran into your cell wearing riot here. They beat you down,
and then she ran in and stabbed in the ass
for the needle, and you lost a week of your life.
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And then if you talk again after that, they put
you in the glass bubble, which was a glass bricked
cell where they kept the lights on twenty four hours
a day and made you stand up every sixteen minutes,
where a head count until you went out of your mind?
Oh sorry, did you?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And so did you? And you did you spend time
in the glass bubble?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh? Nick?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh my, that's a full on man.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I just I lasked it as long as I could.
They call with the white out, you can't keep going
to keep waking you up, and then they beat you
and they wake so the three days that was a
long record at one point me.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh man, I'm sorry. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Just knowing that you were innocent as well, I just
can't even imagine how.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It made me so powerful because I didn't belong there.
But I paid for everything I did as a kid,
you know, all the times I let my mom and
dad down. I paid for all that, every line, every
broken window. I made good, you know, and then I
got a break. You know, No, don't because I love
it that I'm still allowed to have a human part.
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That leslie crying. When you stop crying, there's nothing left. Man. Yeah,
I'm worry about me. I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's so unfair.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I've been through somebody there, I know. But look, I'm
the same guy. I had my six month old baby
died in my arms in twenty sixteen. I came back
from that. That was horrible, to have a sid's death
where you put the baby down for a nap and
then she dies. You know, So I can do so
much more than death. Robe that sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
No, it doesn't Listen. Life is suffering, and you don't
believe that life makes you beautiful, then you're missing the point.
I've been through so many things that most people being
crazy in the head over and yet I go around
the world teaching about neural that let pasticity healing, and
I get people to stop doing drugs, don't hurt themselves
come back to being loving. I want to know why,
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because we're all looking for someone stronger than us to say, hey,
it's okay. Yeah. Show me a man that's been broken
a thousand times and I can fail you. Nick Garris
has been rebuilt a thousand and one time.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is just so powerful for people to hear.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Nick.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Everyone needs to hear you talk. Everyone needs to hear.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Getting this film done so I can go back to speaking.
I have had the honor. This is crazy. I work
so hard on my education. Within ten months of my release,
I was on the stage in the Colosseum of Rome
addressing twenty thousand people. What a remarkable feat. You know
what I mean? There I was. I've spoken before the
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United Nations in Geneva, major universities around the world, and
I have a platform based on neuroplasticity healing where I
am proof positive that I can help embrace any PTSD
because I should be mentally destroyed and yet I thrive.
I've just written a brand new television series based on
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my experiences called Kings of the Gallows, and we're having
a script produced about it now with a production team.
I've used every experience of my life for a betterment,
not a detriment. Do you understand?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, man, I love that. Oh this is just what
a wonderful treat. I got to shout out to my
friend Yvonne. Yeah, Elon he did you know he's a
rugby player. He did a show with the two of
you a while back.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Oh, Elneyney, Yeah, yeah, what was coming on?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
He's listening right now, Honey.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
We used to call ourselves the Triangle because we did
we love money.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah. What a wonderful young dude. Man. I love this guy.
I love his family. I like what he represents. He's
got so much character. I'm glad I've reached out to
him about four years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Man, he's awesome. Man, Yeah, he's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And I got Mikey Perry, So Mikey Perry is helping
me make a documentary about my friend with cancer. I
got a remarkable story for you guys. I met a guy.
I got a guy who was dealing with cancer in
which everybody else I had it wiped the mountain. And
he's been living with it for eleven years and they
keep telling him every six months he's gonna die. And
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he's so cool. He's like, doc, I'm going off. I'll
be back in six months. Don't do any guy diving
because I don't want you to die before I come back.
You know what I mean? A remarkable character and his
name is Alex and me and Mikey Perry, who lives
down in Australia, are making a documentary about his life
called why don't You Just kill yourself? Because people have
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had the cheat to ask my friend now if that
meant Michaey Perry because of a bag of jelly beans
in England and he flew back. This is crazy. He
flies back to England, I mean back to Australia. He
comes to Los Angeles for work, he flies up to Washington.
He films all of the work with Alex. He's never
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it's crazy. Never in a million years can you believe
that because I had a bag of jelly beans, I've
made it. Dude living in Australia, who would fly back home,
come to Washington State make a documentary with me about
my friend who are going to finish it by taking
it to Scotland this year. This is crazy. To Chriss
my life and it's normal.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But it's just I can feel and everything everything in
your life. It's like you're making the most of every
single moment for men, you know, because.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It's like all these opportunities are in front of all
of us, but only you type.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Sean Penn. Sean Penn was married to Madonna when he
made the movie with Christopher Walking called at close Range
about the Johnston brother. I helped Norman Johnson escape from
Huntington State Prison, my prison where I was on death row,
like Sean, you know, I helped Norman escape because I
heard you just where you go.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I feel like there's so much we could ask you.
I kind of just want to keep like these hell marries.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And me back on.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I don't care I do this. He keeps down.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What's the wadest thing that you've seen in your in
your time? What's the wadest thing you think?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
What's screwdriver sticking out of the kids head?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did not see that coming?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Wow. My first week of prison, I was walking through
the block and I saw the curtain move in this
cell and they say, don't go near in their cells,
don't look at them. But I couldn't help it, you know,
and I pushed the curtain back and I walked in there.
There was a kid sitting there. He couldn't have been
more he eighteen, and he's looked at me, he said,
he said, am I gonna be okay? And I said
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I'm gonna go get help and he's slumped over.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Man, I felt bad. I felt so horrible because I
lied to him, didn't I? But did I do him
right or not? But that really, yeah, I've had I've
watched so many people dye in prison. It's crazy. My
throat slit.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
What's the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Man, I I've seen myself. I hate to say this,
but I seen myself find love. M I saw with
myself an ability to love myself when they told me
I was worthless and that they were going to murder me.
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And that was the most beautiful thing I could ever see,
because it's something that has never left me. M. That's
so good, Nick, I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
What's happy?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
What's the first thing you did when you when you
walked out of prison, Nick, So you've had twenty three years,
you're in sultry confine.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What's what's the first thing you did. What's the first
place you went?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, they botched my release. They told me goodbye, shook
my hand, got me to the last barrier and said, oops,
up on the paper work. We're gonna take you back. No.
So five and a half hours later, when they finally
released me, yeah, I walked out and it was crazy.
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My parents were there. My ex wife had left me
while I was on death row to die my spiritual
advisor and we all went to the Crocker brow but
I couldn't eat. My father said, come on, let's go outside. See.
We just calmed down because it was an emotional day.
They boxed my release for me. Yeah. So my father
was sitting there and he said, you know, money has changed.
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I said, what do you mean. He goes, Money's got
like like secret things in it. And he gave me
a twenty dollars bill and to look at. And I
looked at the security thing in the note. Then I
folded it up. I put it in my pocket and
I laughed at him. He goes, hey, hey, what are
you doing? I say, hey, see, your little boy, you
got to take care of me, right And then he
said he said, look, I'm dying to ask you this.
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He goes, but what's the one thing you can look
around right now? And everything like, it's the one thing
that's changed. And I looked around the parking lot and
I said, Poppy, it's hubcaps. There had no more hub caps.
Everything's all he said, Son of a bitch. I didn't
even pay attention, I go. I was so new. I
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was so new to the world that when I got out,
I had to use the newspaper to go to the
DMV to get a driver's license or an ID card.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So in a computer, no I did. I was technologically
said no, because I was in the law library, and
I was able to work right away on a computer
because I was technologically advanced. I worked so hard for
my freedom. Look, the greatest challenge of my life wasn't
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death row. It was freedom after death brow. Get it?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, this is really.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Eighty All right, here's a perspective. Eighty percent of men
who served more than twenty years in solitary confinement try
to kill themselves within the first five years. Eighty percent
try to kill themselves. Yeah, what's called survivor's bill.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What's what's Survivi's guild?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Okay, So what's what's the I mean, what's the what's
the number one thing of freedom, which is which is
so difficult to be dealing with.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Nick, I mean, excuse me.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Women, Yeah, yep, just in general.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
They don't play fair. They're worse than death row prisoners.
But man, they're great at making you feel like you're
like the ship's about and I bought yeah because I'm
I'm I'm like hyper sexual, and I'm like a romanticist,
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and I'm all the dangerous things that you can be
for man, which makes women go crazy because I'm eloquent,
I'm charming, i can dress nice, sick, and i can
hit all the buttons right. But I've just got a
misfortune of having catastrophe after catastrophe in the past. You
know that it's got Wow. I've had women break into
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my house and stay here all weekend because it was
so good.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Are you currently in a relationship?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Guy?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Are you in a relationship now?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Nick? Yeah, I got someone in my life and I'm
truly madly in love with beautiful. It's like fifteen hours
at a time when we're at it. So wow, I
got some kind of crazy thing. I know. Listen, I
s would have got it. I look like I'm forty
years old because I went into stations like I could forever.
I'm I don't need a blue pill. I don't know
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what happened, but I think severe denial and deprivation made
me hypersexual and I can just prop it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah night, Wow, it's gonna be a weird question, Nick,
but it feels like there are so many I'm thinking
about the little boy you were telling me that got
pulled over when he was pulling drugs, when he was
high on drugs at the side of his story that then,
you know, got falsely convicted, et cetera. And now I'm
looking at you now there's a gulf between and who
you were then and who you are now. Do you
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think that you would be as beautifully positive and transparent
and articulate and full of love as you are now?
Because if you hadn't.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I was a complete I was a complete record for
all my life. I became a drug addict. That's how
I ended up in trouble. But that's okay because to
your point, and this is wonderful, I recognize because both
my brothers, all my childhood friends are all dead. I
only survived the age epidemic and the crack epidemic and
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the violence that took out all twenty seven of my
friends and God, God put me not only in jail,
but he put me on death row so I couldn't
be in population and get murdered.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So again a step further maybe, but are you? Are
you grateful for your time on death row.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's one of the greatest experiences of my life. I'm
so happy that I got to become a knowledgeable, autodiactic educated. Man.
I'm more knowledgeable than most people when I walk in
the room, so I can hold my own whether I'm
talking to a physics professor or I'm talking to a
history professor. At some point, I am knowledgeable enough to
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feel comfortable. And that's an achievement, because the greatest achievement
you can make in life is to get through life
without being mentally I guess depleted is the word, right, Yeah,
you suck dry by all our experiences. Now, Man, I
love the fact that I'm like, I have such an
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impact on people. I have friends that all over the
world to really relate to me, and they love me
and they care about me. And that's because I keep
putting out the positivity, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, I can feel it.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Look, I just went through twelve hours of oral surgery.
See all this, Uh, this is all right. So this
is how I got Sean Penn to take a two thousand.
I just went through three fifty thousand dollars worth of
dental work that was donated to me. When this kid
named Lima saw me on the Joe Rogan podcast talking
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about the guards after my escape, kicked my teeth in
as a punishment for escaping, and him and his father,
as a dentist, did all my work. They got ten
metal rods inserted into my face right now. Man. Wow,
And I have to go to another procedure next week
to get the new set, and I'll almost be done
at the end of the year. But look how beautiful
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I look. Good?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Man, they look good.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I look good.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Now I have to learn to speak again. But that's
what I'm talking about. You See, if I was a
bitter pill, I wouldn't have got no help like that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I've never been to Australia, but I dream of coming
down there. Man. I would really love to experience that.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Please reach please reach out. If you'd love to hang out,
I'd love to.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, yo, go and reach out to.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, I'll send a lot of your message now man,
I Nick, it's been a pleasure. I think we're all
in awe of you. You're You're inspiring, man, you really are.
So congratulations on Thank you finding yourself in a place
where a lot of people would lose themselves and turning
it into something beautiful. That is, that will be a
legacy for so many people to admire.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Here goes boys, you've been listening to the Will and
Wooden Show on iHeartRadio from Australia.
Hello guys.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Just before we get into what I think is the
best interview we've ever done, just a very brief content warning.
This could be triggering for you guys. And whilst his
story is beautiful and amazing because of the perspective he's got,
really has been through some very tricky stuff, so it's
worth mentioning this is triggering for you. Lifel one number
is thirteen eleven fourteen. We can call one hundred respect.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm sitting behind the Vista Theater. Oh that's my RV
I'm living. And I met Sean Penn there and he
took us tooth out for me. I know. I walked
up to Sean Penn, Hey, we're doing a thing from
Michael Madsen at the Vista Theater that is owned by
Quentin Tarantino. I started talking to him. He knows who
I am from Adrian Brody playing me on stage in London.
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I said, look, I really apologize, Sean. I'm kind of
like spitting because I got this demo work going on.
He goes, no, shit, look what happened this morning? And
he took us tooth out and he showed me his
tooth and I was like, this is crazy. So it's
a mad life that I'm having right now. Gentlemen, Oh, totally.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, you know, Will and I have tried to stay
away from your story. So we like the audience that
are listening to right now, we'll be learning this as the.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Audience learns it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So ah, this is good. The first question maybes you ready?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, mate, we are ready. You you shouldn't be alive, Nick,
tell us.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Why other than being shot, stabbed, strangled, run over by
a car, hanging myself in a prison cell, and all
kind of mayhem. I was sentenced to death at the
age of twenty one for the rape and murder of
a woman I never met. My life. I spent twenty
three years on death Row in solitary confinement, and I
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escaped from death row at one point nineteen eighty five.
I was on the FBI's most wanted list for twenty
five days until I turned myself back in and they
put me on death row. Next it's Ted Bundy for
the next eight months. So me and Ted became acquainted
when he spit on me when I played with him
and taunted him. So and then I went back to
death row. I got beaten, severely contracted hepatitis CE. I
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was dying of the illness when I asked to be executed,
and in the twenty fifth hour they gave me the DNA.
Finally that proved my innocence.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh oh, my god, God wow.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I don't think I've experienced forty seconds like that in
my life.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Just hearing all of that, it's truth, Old mighty nick.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I took it easy on it.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
If we can go back to step one here, so
you are wrongly You are wrongly accused of ripe and
murder of someone you have never met before.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Through the folly of the following incidents. So at the
age of twenty, I was driving the stolen car. I
was a tear away. I wasn't listening to my folks.
I was high on drugs. I got pulled over by
a policeman who beat the hell out of me. He
pulled his gun out. We had a fight, and then
he lied on me and said that I tried to
murder him in all this crazy stuff. So I get
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thrown into prison, and the guy that was guilty of
burglar rising the prosecutor's home said that I confessed to
him of the rape and murder of a woman in
the area right so he could get out of his charges.
So I went to trial for the first chargers and
the jury found me not guilty for that policeman lying
on me. So then they started seeking the death penalty
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out of vengeance, and he gave me a three day
murder trial. So they sentenced me to die after the
jury went out for dinner break and they came back
and gave me the death penany so I was only
twenty one years old, and the crazy thing was will
the courthouse was struck by light and the day I
was sentenced to death and locked all the power up whoa,
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And I swear to God, it's in the newspapers and
everything I was taking upstairs, and I was looking at
all the people in the courtyard below, and there was
no sound because no air conditioning or anything, and they
were all looking up at me, and they all started
making noises and stuff. But I heard this thing in
my head said look them in they So when I
went back in the court, and it's in the newspapers,
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the judge couldn't look me in the eye. No one
could look me in the eye, and he sentenced me
to death without ever looking me in the face.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Oh that's horrible.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Man. If you think that's it's so deep that every
member of the jury that's sentenced me to death is
now dead.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Wow. You can't make it up. You can't. You can't
make any of this up.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So, Nick, you had twenty two years in prison. What
was that like?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
In solitary confinement? Insolitate? A bit of it was inlid. Yeah, man,
twenty three hours a day, twenty four hours a day,
all locked down.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
How do you deal with that? What is I mean?
I've got so many questions around. It's the first thing
that comes to me. Can you think of that time?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I found out two things about myself. One, you can't
go against your nature. If you're a loving person, nothing
will change that. If you're a kind person, you'll be
a kind person no matter what. So I read over
nine four hundred books before I turned the journal over documentary.
Each book that I read to my lawyers, and then
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I got other prisoners off of death row by doing
their legal work, and I helped men that were mentally
ill hang on as best as they could. In total,
I got three men off of death row and four
men out of the gallows themselves by my efforts. I
was the foremost knowledgeable person in DNA. I was pent
pals with Sir Alec Jeffries from Leicester University, who invented
(05:29):
DNA testing for twelve years. That man guided me through
the process of learning DNA. Oh my, go on, I
read all of the world's religions. I can't tell you
the name, but I think you guys will be clever enough.
If I made an avatar of myself, maybe that person
would be now accepting the role to play me in
(05:51):
a major motion picture coming soon.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Whoa jo, whoa.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
If I were an avatar, I think I've put two
and two together at that. Okay, sorry, but I can
actually say the likeness looking at your face as well,
which that is.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
That is awesome and sorry, right, and.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I can't say anything, but I just found out and
it's amazing that I'm on the cusp of going from
an RV that was given to me on the Native
American preservation to go on and having housing and finally
getting from the devastation that I know I've been homeless
the last four years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'm just actually speaking of playing you. So you mentioned
this before, but Adrian Brody is currently starring as you
in this play called The Fear of It, and he's going.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
To do it again and yeah, in next spring he's
going to be bringing it to New York City.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Now Radrian is doing it because apparently someone sent him
the script and he said, I couldn't get through this
script without crying.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So for a crime. Yeah, I know. I hung out
with him in London. The grain's supposed to say this,
but he took no money for playing me for months
in London, and he gave me that money. Oh wow, Wow,
this is a general, This is a genteel man. Do
you understand. Yeah, you know you don't get paid a
lot in the theater anyway. But he said, Nick, I
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can't take money from your hands, and I love you man. Wow.
I went up on stage and I read a fictitional
love letter to the woman that I was married to
in prison. I queued up the song hold on to
Your Heart by Man Man, and I walked off of
stage with a beautiful woman telling the audience that I
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wanted to fulfill being the hero of my own story
like in the many thousands of books that I read.
I wanted to have that panache, that ability to walk
out in that moment I didn't want to sell books
and hang out afterwards and beat everybody. I went off
to the Londoner in downtown London and had made love
to the woman I was in love with.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Man, Oh beautiful me.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Hey, Nick, you in your twenty two years on in
Soldier can find on death Row you said you read
nine four hundred books.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Is that right? That's correct?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
What was the best one?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The best one like a prophet by Yeah, that's because
he lost his whole family while writing it. That's a
great immigrant, that's his whole His whole family perished some
tuberculosis while I read it.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
That's Alexander Dumas.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Because that's you, that's you, that would have given you
so much. There's a new movie about that, actually a
new French movie about that.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And that's something so I love. And to Anton du
Saint Expury, the Little Prince, Oh yeah, yeah, that's sick.
I've read so many different books. I've read everything from
peercregard to seven six years of psychology studies. I worked
my ass off. I figured that they're going to waste
my time. I'm not you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, that's such amazing attitude. When you're on death row
for for so many years, Nick, are you living day
to day not knowing that you know it could be
your last day?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Or do you have an idea?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, man, no, Look I had a hustle going. I
was selling legal work, I was selling schoolworks. I was
a doughnut magnet. I was a football a gambling. I
grew up in death throw. I ran the place, man.
I did twelve years in a union that the average
rate of survival was only five. Man, they made me
(09:20):
cage fight for money. Look at this body. I'm sixty
four years old. You are.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're an extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's call gundlinga yoga, and I'm a master of martial
arts that take street. One of the most deadly people
on the street. I ain't dragging. I would never hurt anybody,
but I had over fifty cage fights.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Whoa in prison? In prison?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, they were making me fight because I'm six to
two and I weighed over two hundred pounds. I was
able to make the money. A lot of the white
kids that were on death row couldn't fight.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh my, this is he got white for this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Hey, Nick, I'm reading here that you you didn't talk
for two years?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What's that about. I wasn't allowed to speak in myself
for the first two years. If they caught you speaking,
they came into your cell. They put a football helmet
on the nurse and a flak jacket, and four men
ran into your cell wearing riot here. They beat you down,
and then she ran in and stabbed in the ass
for the needle, and you lost a week of your life.
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And then if you talk again after that, they put
you in the glass bubble, which was a glass bricked
cell where they kept the lights on twenty four hours
a day and made you stand up every sixteen minutes,
where a head count until you went out of your mind?
Oh sorry, did you?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And so did you? And you did you spend time
in the glass bubble?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh? Nick?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh my, that's a full on man.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I just I lasked it as long as I could.
They call with the white out, you can't keep going
to keep waking you up, and then they beat you
and they wake so the three days that was a
long record at one point me.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh man, I'm sorry. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Just knowing that you were innocent as well, I just
can't even imagine how.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It made me so powerful because I didn't belong there.
But I paid for everything I did as a kid,
you know, all the times I let my mom and
dad down. I paid for all that, every line, every
broken window. I made good, you know, and then I
got a break. You know, No, don't because I love
it that I'm still allowed to have a human part.
(11:42):
That leslie crying. When you stop crying, there's nothing left. Man. Yeah,
I'm worry about me. I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's so unfair.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I've been through somebody there, I know. But look, I'm
the same guy. I had my six month old baby
died in my arms in twenty sixteen. I came back
from that. That was horrible, to have a sid's death
where you put the baby down for a nap and
then she dies. You know, So I can do so
much more than death. Robe that sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
No, it doesn't Listen. Life is suffering, and you don't
believe that life makes you beautiful, then you're missing the point.
I've been through so many things that most people being
crazy in the head over and yet I go around
the world teaching about neural that let pasticity healing, and
I get people to stop doing drugs, don't hurt themselves
come back to being loving. I want to know why,
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because we're all looking for someone stronger than us to say, hey,
it's okay. Yeah. Show me a man that's been broken
a thousand times and I can fail you. Nick Garris
has been rebuilt a thousand and one time.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is just so powerful for people to hear.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Nick.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Everyone needs to hear you talk. Everyone needs to hear.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Getting this film done so I can go back to speaking.
I have had the honor. This is crazy. I work
so hard on my education. Within ten months of my release,
I was on the stage in the Colosseum of Rome
addressing twenty thousand people. What a remarkable feat. You know
what I mean? There I was. I've spoken before the
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United Nations in Geneva, major universities around the world, and
I have a platform based on neuroplasticity healing where I
am proof positive that I can help embrace any PTSD
because I should be mentally destroyed and yet I thrive.
I've just written a brand new television series based on
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my experiences called Kings of the Gallows, and we're having
a script produced about it now with a production team.
I've used every experience of my life for a betterment,
not a detriment. Do you understand?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, man, I love that. Oh this is just what
a wonderful treat. I got to shout out to my
friend Yvonne. Yeah, Elon he did you know he's a
rugby player. He did a show with the two of
you a while back.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Oh, Elneyney, Yeah, yeah, what was coming on?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
He's listening right now, Honey.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
We used to call ourselves the Triangle because we did
we love money.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah. What a wonderful young dude. Man. I love this guy.
I love his family. I like what he represents. He's
got so much character. I'm glad I've reached out to
him about four years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Man, he's awesome. Man, Yeah, he's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And I got Mikey Perry, So Mikey Perry is helping
me make a documentary about my friend with cancer. I
got a remarkable story for you guys. I met a guy.
I got a guy who was dealing with cancer in
which everybody else I had it wiped the mountain. And
he's been living with it for eleven years and they
keep telling him every six months he's gonna die. And
(15:00):
he's so cool. He's like, doc, I'm going off. I'll
be back in six months. Don't do any guy diving
because I don't want you to die before I come back.
You know what I mean? A remarkable character and his
name is Alex and me and Mikey Perry, who lives
down in Australia, are making a documentary about his life
called why don't You Just kill yourself? Because people have
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had the cheat to ask my friend now if that
meant Michaey Perry because of a bag of jelly beans
in England and he flew back. This is crazy. He
flies back to England, I mean back to Australia. He
comes to Los Angeles for work, he flies up to Washington.
He films all of the work with Alex. He's never
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it's crazy. Never in a million years can you believe
that because I had a bag of jelly beans, I've
made it. Dude living in Australia, who would fly back home,
come to Washington State make a documentary with me about
my friend who are going to finish it by taking
it to Scotland this year. This is crazy. To Chriss
my life and it's normal.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But it's just I can feel and everything everything in
your life. It's like you're making the most of every
single moment for men, you know, because.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It's like all these opportunities are in front of all
of us, but only you type.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Sean Penn. Sean Penn was married to Madonna when he
made the movie with Christopher Walking called at close Range
about the Johnston brother. I helped Norman Johnson escape from
Huntington State Prison, my prison where I was on death row,
like Sean, you know, I helped Norman escape because I
heard you just where you go.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I feel like there's so much we could ask you.
I kind of just want to keep like these hell marries.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And me back on.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I don't care I do this. He keeps down.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What's the wadest thing that you've seen in your in
your time? What's the wadest thing you think?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
What's screwdriver sticking out of the kids head?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did not see that coming?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Wow. My first week of prison, I was walking through
the block and I saw the curtain move in this
cell and they say, don't go near in their cells,
don't look at them. But I couldn't help it, you know,
and I pushed the curtain back and I walked in there.
There was a kid sitting there. He couldn't have been
more he eighteen, and he's looked at me, he said,
he said, am I gonna be okay? And I said
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I'm gonna go get help and he's slumped over.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Man, I felt bad. I felt so horrible because I
lied to him, didn't I? But did I do him
right or not? But that really, yeah, I've had I've
watched so many people dye in prison. It's crazy. My
throat slit.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
What's the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Man, I I've seen myself. I hate to say this,
but I seen myself find love. M I saw with
myself an ability to love myself when they told me
I was worthless and that they were going to murder me.
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And that was the most beautiful thing I could ever see,
because it's something that has never left me. M. That's
so good, Nick, I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
What's happy?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
What's the first thing you did when you when you
walked out of prison, Nick, So you've had twenty three years,
you're in sultry confine.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What's what's the first thing you did. What's the first
place you went?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, they botched my release. They told me goodbye, shook
my hand, got me to the last barrier and said, oops,
up on the paper work. We're gonna take you back. No.
So five and a half hours later, when they finally
released me, yeah, I walked out and it was crazy.
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My parents were there. My ex wife had left me
while I was on death row to die my spiritual
advisor and we all went to the Crocker brow but
I couldn't eat. My father said, come on, let's go outside. See.
We just calmed down because it was an emotional day.
They boxed my release for me. Yeah. So my father
was sitting there and he said, you know, money has changed.
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I said, what do you mean. He goes, Money's got
like like secret things in it. And he gave me
a twenty dollars bill and to look at. And I
looked at the security thing in the note. Then I
folded it up. I put it in my pocket and
I laughed at him. He goes, hey, hey, what are
you doing? I say, hey, see, your little boy, you
got to take care of me, right And then he
said he said, look, I'm dying to ask you this.
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He goes, but what's the one thing you can look
around right now? And everything like, it's the one thing
that's changed. And I looked around the parking lot and
I said, Poppy, it's hubcaps. There had no more hub caps.
Everything's all he said, Son of a bitch. I didn't
even pay attention, I go. I was so new. I
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was so new to the world that when I got out,
I had to use the newspaper to go to the
DMV to get a driver's license or an ID card.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So in a computer, no I did. I was technologically
said no, because I was in the law library, and
I was able to work right away on a computer
because I was technologically advanced. I worked so hard for
my freedom. Look, the greatest challenge of my life wasn't
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death row. It was freedom after death brow. Get it?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, this is really.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Eighty All right, here's a perspective. Eighty percent of men
who served more than twenty years in solitary confinement try
to kill themselves within the first five years. Eighty percent
try to kill themselves. Yeah, what's called survivor's bill.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
What's what's Survivi's guild?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Okay, So what's what's the I mean, what's the what's
the number one thing of freedom, which is which is
so difficult to be dealing with.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Nick, I mean, excuse me.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Women, Yeah, yep, just in general.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
They don't play fair. They're worse than death row prisoners.
But man, they're great at making you feel like you're
like the ship's about and I bought yeah because I'm
I'm I'm like hyper sexual, and I'm like a romanticist,
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and I'm all the dangerous things that you can be
for man, which makes women go crazy because I'm eloquent,
I'm charming, i can dress nice, sick, and i can
hit all the buttons right. But I've just got a
misfortune of having catastrophe after catastrophe in the past. You
know that it's got Wow. I've had women break into
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my house and stay here all weekend because it was
so good.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Are you currently in a relationship?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Guy?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Are you in a relationship now?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Nick? Yeah, I got someone in my life and I'm
truly madly in love with beautiful. It's like fifteen hours
at a time when we're at it. So wow, I
got some kind of crazy thing. I know. Listen, I
s would have got it. I look like I'm forty
years old because I went into stations like I could forever.
I'm I don't need a blue pill. I don't know
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what happened, but I think severe denial and deprivation made
me hypersexual and I can just prop it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah night, Wow, it's gonna be a weird question, Nick,
but it feels like there are so many I'm thinking
about the little boy you were telling me that got
pulled over when he was pulling drugs, when he was
high on drugs at the side of his story that then,
you know, got falsely convicted, et cetera. And now I'm
looking at you now there's a gulf between and who
you were then and who you are now. Do you
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think that you would be as beautifully positive and transparent
and articulate and full of love as you are now?
Because if you hadn't.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I was a complete I was a complete record for
all my life. I became a drug addict. That's how
I ended up in trouble. But that's okay because to
your point, and this is wonderful, I recognize because both
my brothers, all my childhood friends are all dead. I
only survived the age epidemic and the crack epidemic and
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the violence that took out all twenty seven of my
friends and God, God put me not only in jail,
but he put me on death row so I couldn't
be in population and get murdered.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So again a step further maybe, but are you? Are
you grateful for your time on death row.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's one of the greatest experiences of my life. I'm
so happy that I got to become a knowledgeable, autodiactic educated. Man.
I'm more knowledgeable than most people when I walk in
the room, so I can hold my own whether I'm
talking to a physics professor or I'm talking to a
history professor. At some point, I am knowledgeable enough to
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feel comfortable. And that's an achievement, because the greatest achievement
you can make in life is to get through life
without being mentally I guess depleted is the word, right, Yeah,
you suck dry by all our experiences. Now, Man, I
love the fact that I'm like, I have such an
(24:45):
impact on people. I have friends that all over the
world to really relate to me, and they love me
and they care about me. And that's because I keep
putting out the positivity, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, I can feel it.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Look, I just went through twelve hours of oral surgery.
See all this, Uh, this is all right. So this
is how I got Sean Penn to take a two thousand.
I just went through three fifty thousand dollars worth of
dental work that was donated to me. When this kid
named Lima saw me on the Joe Rogan podcast talking
(25:20):
about the guards after my escape, kicked my teeth in
as a punishment for escaping, and him and his father,
as a dentist, did all my work. They got ten
metal rods inserted into my face right now. Man. Wow,
And I have to go to another procedure next week
to get the new set, and I'll almost be done
at the end of the year. But look how beautiful
(25:40):
I look. Good?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Man, they look good.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I look good.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Now I have to learn to speak again. But that's
what I'm talking about. You See, if I was a
bitter pill, I wouldn't have got no help like that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I've never been to Australia, but I dream of coming
down there. Man. I would really love to experience that.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Please reach please reach out. If you'd love to hang out,
I'd love to.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, yo, go and reach out to.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, I'll send a lot of your message now man,
I Nick, it's been a pleasure. I think we're all
in awe of you. You're You're inspiring, man, you really are.
So congratulations on Thank you finding yourself in a place
where a lot of people would lose themselves and turning
it into something beautiful. That is, that will be a
legacy for so many people to admire.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Here goes boys, you've been listening to the Will and
Wooden Show on iHeartRadio from Australia.
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