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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
From December tenth, social media platforms forced to block out
under sixteen year olds in Australia from holding accounts. The
Melbourne University is apparently already testing all these different ways
they're going to try and enforce that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I managed to.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Poke a few solid holes in it already. So look,
I think this is personally, I don't think it's gonna work,
and I think it's shirking responsibility slash. There's a lot
of guilt and there's a lot of panic from parents
with teenagers because they don't know what else to do.
And I just don't think this is the right option.
I'm sorry, I don't know what the right option is.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
That's not my job.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I just don't think this is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But yeah, is there any legislation that because it feels
like there' pressure on the government to do something about
it too, So it feels like maybe all the things
you can do making it illegal from a certain age.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I just don't think.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Because the other thing is you're gonna have some parents
who go I don't care. So then a kid gets
to school and they're like, oh, how did you get
into a social media camp with my mum and dad?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That kid goes home and goes hey, everyone else is
studio's in the social media characters. No one cares. Yeah,
cops are going to go around to fifty percent of
high school peace.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You're on social media? Hey, show me your phone, show
me history. I'm going to do that anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Look, we've got Nigel Fair who is professor of Software
Systems and Cybersecurity at wan Ash University. Nigel, thanks for
joining us. Do you think this is going to work?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Nigel? I don't think we should look at us in
this being the silver bullet to the problems that young
people have online mental health, screen addiction, privacy, etcetera, etcetera.
I think we've got to look at it being a
long burn and this needs to be one suite of many,
many things that we do to provide the tools and
techniques for young people to think about what they're going
(01:52):
to do in the online environment.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So Nigel, we was kind of saying before the song though,
that I mean, for these kids that are way more
tech savvy than me, that it's going to be very,
very easy for them to get around this ban of
under sixteen year olds with your expertise, do you agree
with that? Like, is where's it going to be easy
to get around?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well, yes, there's certainly going to be ways that they're
going to get around. They'll be talking about it now
how they can get around it with you know it
with a VPN or whether it's gaming the system. But
you know, this is where the legislation is going to be.
Relying on the social media company is actually not going
to be an offense if you're under sixteen to create
an account. It's relying on the social media companies to
(02:33):
detect your user activity and potentially block you or otherwise.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Right, I'm sorry, So they the social media companies can
choose to block you.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yees. So there's you know, there's a great thing in life.
There's two things you don't want to ever watch being made.
When is sausages and the other one is laws.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I love watching made. What are you talking about watching
a sausage system?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I mean stuffed?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Oh yeah, disgusting.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Sorry talking into a different matter watching it being made
if you're not so much. But the legislation talks about
the social media coming to having to take reasonable steps,
and you can choose whatever definition you want to put
around the phrase reasonable steps. But that's what they've got
(03:23):
to do. So it's quite light touch what it is.
But you know, I think the real discussion will we'd
have in twelve, twenty four, thirty six months to see
what difference it's made happen. We'll be kicked up.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was going to say that I was.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Been able to create accounts, etcetera.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I've just heard you and I do you think that?
And so let's say that, you know, let's say this
is successful. Let's say that you know, I don't know,
eighty percent of sixteen year olds now sixteen nunders stay
off social media. Do you like how different is that
seventeen year old going to be versus the seventeen year
old that is on social media.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I think it's society where we've made an assessment
of as you get older and you get more mature,
you can start making better choices about the things that
you see, whether that's online or offline. And that's really
why the sign we can vote when we're adein, we
can drink when we're adein, you know, So it's on
that step of the many people would argue, and they
(04:20):
bring it into the UK that you can vote from
being sixteen. There's a lot of attuned people to the
public policy. So that's where it is, and that's where
part of the reason if BANG is bringing brought into
is because young people are seeing things in the online
environment they really shouldn't be there, right, They're getting groomed,
they're getting they're seeing images that aren't appropriate, they're suffering
(04:41):
from mental health issues because of the you know, the FOMO,
all sorts of different things. You know, a lot of
these social media platforms are very addictive, you know, and
it's the concept of I'm always going to be available
because my friends are always going to be available aligne
this social compact that they have, with the argument being
they're not prepared mentally to cope with that under sixteen.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Hi, Nigel, thanks so much for joining us. Professor of
Software Systems and Cybersecurity. Money you University in Nigel, fair
there and all around.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Good guy.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Been loving to meet you, Nige.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Thanks God cheers.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hey Julia here, who's called in?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Julia?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You don't think the social media band.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Is going to work?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
No, I don't think it will work. The Jeels I'm nineteen,
so I'm born two thousand and six. However, I wasn't
on social media till I turned thirteen. Starting year seven,
I got an iPhone. That was when I was first
really introduced to the social media world. But I don't
(05:39):
think you know, these young kids that I look after,
im nanny. I look after young kids that jen Alpha.
They are all electronics. Where there's a will, where there's
a way, I think they will find a way. Whether
it's putting their account under their mum or dad's name,
or you know, getting a VPN or a different device,
they will find a way and they will get on
(06:01):
that social media if you have, you.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Found with the kids you look after, are they all
pretty addicted to it? Always the heads up?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yes, as soon as we get home. I picked them
up from school. As soon as we get home, it's
straight onto something. It's straight onto whether it's the iPad,
whether it's the Xbox, whether it's whatever device is in
hands reach. As soon as they walk into that front door,
there's no more. In the morning as well, they're on
their iPads. There's no more watching cartoons in the morning,
(06:27):
or you know, just sitting on the couch.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It sounds like a pretty sweet gig for you, though, Julia,
fifty bucks an hour.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You just go on to social media yourself, Julia, Yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I just have to watch them.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's my job, going to Julia
My Heart podcasts, Hear More Kids podcasts, playlists and listen
live on the Free hard.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
From December tenth, social media platforms forced to block out
under sixteen year olds in Australia from holding accounts. The
Melbourne University is apparently already testing all these different ways
they're going to try and enforce that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I managed to.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Poke a few solid holes in it already. So look,
I think this is personally, I don't think it's gonna work,
and I think it's shirking responsibility slash. There's a lot
of guilt and there's a lot of panic from parents
with teenagers because they don't know what else to do.
And I just don't think this is the right option.
I'm sorry, I don't know what the right option is.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
That's not my job.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I just don't think this is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But yeah, is there any legislation that because it feels
like there' pressure on the government to do something about
it too, So it feels like maybe all the things
you can do making it illegal from a certain age.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I just don't think.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Because the other thing is you're gonna have some parents
who go I don't care. So then a kid gets
to school and they're like, oh, how did you get
into a social media camp with my mum and dad?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That kid goes home and goes hey, everyone else is
studio's in the social media characters. No one cares. Yeah,
cops are going to go around to fifty percent of
high school peace.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You're on social media? Hey, show me your phone, show
me history. I'm going to do that anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Look, we've got Nigel Fair who is professor of Software
Systems and Cybersecurity at wan Ash University. Nigel, thanks for
joining us. Do you think this is going to work?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Nigel? I don't think we should look at us in
this being the silver bullet to the problems that young
people have online mental health, screen addiction, privacy, etcetera, etcetera.
I think we've got to look at it being a
long burn and this needs to be one suite of many,
many things that we do to provide the tools and
techniques for young people to think about what they're going
(01:52):
to do in the online environment.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So Nigel, we was kind of saying before the song though,
that I mean, for these kids that are way more
tech savvy than me, that it's going to be very,
very easy for them to get around this ban of
under sixteen year olds with your expertise, do you agree
with that? Like, is where's it going to be easy
to get around?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well, yes, there's certainly going to be ways that they're
going to get around. They'll be talking about it now
how they can get around it with you know it
with a VPN or whether it's gaming the system. But
you know, this is where the legislation is going to be.
Relying on the social media company is actually not going
to be an offense if you're under sixteen to create
an account. It's relying on the social media companies to
(02:33):
detect your user activity and potentially block you or otherwise.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Right, I'm sorry, So they the social media companies can
choose to block you.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yees. So there's you know, there's a great thing in life.
There's two things you don't want to ever watch being made.
When is sausages and the other one is laws.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I love watching made. What are you talking about watching
a sausage system?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I mean stuffed?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Oh yeah, disgusting.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Sorry talking into a different matter watching it being made
if you're not so much. But the legislation talks about
the social media coming to having to take reasonable steps,
and you can choose whatever definition you want to put
around the phrase reasonable steps. But that's what they've got
(03:23):
to do. So it's quite light touch what it is.
But you know, I think the real discussion will we'd
have in twelve, twenty four, thirty six months to see
what difference it's made happen. We'll be kicked up.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was going to say that I was.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Been able to create accounts, etcetera.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I've just heard you and I do you think that?
And so let's say that, you know, let's say this
is successful. Let's say that you know, I don't know,
eighty percent of sixteen year olds now sixteen nunders stay
off social media. Do you like how different is that
seventeen year old going to be versus the seventeen year
old that is on social media.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I think it's society where we've made an assessment
of as you get older and you get more mature,
you can start making better choices about the things that
you see, whether that's online or offline. And that's really
why the sign we can vote when we're adein, we
can drink when we're adein, you know, So it's on
that step of the many people would argue, and they
(04:20):
bring it into the UK that you can vote from
being sixteen. There's a lot of attuned people to the
public policy. So that's where it is, and that's where
part of the reason if BANG is bringing brought into
is because young people are seeing things in the online
environment they really shouldn't be there, right, They're getting groomed,
they're getting they're seeing images that aren't appropriate, they're suffering
(04:41):
from mental health issues because of the you know, the FOMO,
all sorts of different things. You know, a lot of
these social media platforms are very addictive, you know, and
it's the concept of I'm always going to be available
because my friends are always going to be available aligne
this social compact that they have, with the argument being
they're not prepared mentally to cope with that under sixteen.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Hi, Nigel, thanks so much for joining us. Professor of
Software Systems and Cybersecurity. Money you University in Nigel, fair
there and all around.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Good guy.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Been loving to meet you, Nige.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Thanks God cheers.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hey Julia here, who's called in?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Julia?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You don't think the social media band.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Is going to work?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
No, I don't think it will work. The Jeels I'm nineteen,
so I'm born two thousand and six. However, I wasn't
on social media till I turned thirteen. Starting year seven,
I got an iPhone. That was when I was first
really introduced to the social media world. But I don't
(05:39):
think you know, these young kids that I look after,
im nanny. I look after young kids that jen Alpha.
They are all electronics. Where there's a will, where there's
a way, I think they will find a way. Whether
it's putting their account under their mum or dad's name,
or you know, getting a VPN or a different device,
they will find a way and they will get on
(06:01):
that social media if you have, you.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Found with the kids you look after, are they all
pretty addicted to it? Always the heads up?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yes, as soon as we get home. I picked them
up from school. As soon as we get home, it's
straight onto something. It's straight onto whether it's the iPad,
whether it's the Xbox, whether it's whatever device is in
hands reach. As soon as they walk into that front door,
there's no more. In the morning as well, they're on
their iPads. There's no more watching cartoons in the morning,
(06:27):
or you know, just sitting on the couch.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It sounds like a pretty sweet gig for you, though, Julia,
fifty bucks an hour.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You just go on to social media yourself, Julia, Yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I just have to watch them.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's my job, going to Julia
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