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Speaker 1 (00:10):
My Heart podcasts, hear More Kids podcasts, playlists and listen
live on the Free Hard you're you're joining us. I'm
gonna be honest at a very strange time. If you
were listening just before, you would have heard Woody literally
run out of the studio. He's going to go and
have a baby. Guys, So that that happened, which.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Probably his wife's having the baby, but still I would
it's a big deal and amazingly.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I mean, we had a bunch of people on speed
dial to fill in for him, but Rob Thomas picked
up the phone first and he's in the studio now
co hosting.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I appreciate I have.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I have a lot of free time and I'm happy
to be I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Happy to be anywhere nice that you could come on in.
I mean all the.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Way down janitorial like whatever you need, I'm here, all right,
Johnny on the spot.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'll let them know. I let him know there actually
is a bit of cleaning that Rob. You're you're touring
Australia at the moment. Just did Perth. We did Perth,
Adelaide and one night in Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Brand new record it's called All Night Days Now. We
were just saying off air that your son is is it?
Mason is Mason? So he's playing in your band with you.
He is twenty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Twenty seven He played a full tour in the States,
and then this is his second tour here.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Probably, so I'm interested. I'm going to weave this through.
So because what he's not here, I can ask complicated questions.
So so when I was a teenager, like I was
a like an enormous matchbox t it's next like enormous,
Like I really and what's all we listened to.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Religious very cool man. I'm actually very nervous talking to you.
I don't normally get me it should be a very
big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I don't normally get nervous talking to people, but I
was very nervous about you coming in and the fact
that you had a boy and being a I don't know,
I just I suppose being a role model to a son.
And I look back on like, you know who you
were probably when you had him, which is I mean,
I was a lastly different person.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I was a mess for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, I think you know that's why there's something
really kind of great about the idea that this job
that was the thing that kept me away from him
for a lot of times, you know, more than I
wanted to, because he's traveling, you're out trying to hustle,
and you doing anything. Is now the thing that's kind
of brought us back together in a really big way.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, And he's sincerely of my one.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Of my one of my best friends, you know, like
just as a just as a person, and I think
he's he's just so kind and he's not like the
first week that we were out, we got you know,
we did all rehearsals and we got the first few
shows under our belt, and the whole band is like, okay, guys,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know because my solo.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Band has been with me for twenty years at that band,
so like we're all family, and we're like, okay, we're
all together. Now, let's go out. Let's get some dinner,
let's have some drinks. And call him up and like okay,
this is we're going to go. And he's like, I
don't know. Daddy's like I really want to kill it
these next three shows. I'm gonna go to the hotel
room and get some rest. Yeah, And I was like,
you're dead to me. By the time he was born,
I just met my wife and was it's my wife
(02:53):
is not his mother, so we met.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
When I met my wife, I think I became a
person more suited for that. Yeah. Cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But I'm very honest with him about especially because he
doesn't have any of the compulsion issues that I have,
so you know, I'm not worried about him, you know,
idolizing that part of me. But he just thinks the
stories are very, very funny. Now I am literally just
dad joke guy. So it's like, you just he almost
can't believe that that guy ever existed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I don't think that kind of like male fandom exists
these days, Like it's not cool to be in love
with a male pop star these days.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think there's a reason why, like bands like you know,
if you have my chemical romance and things like that
they seem to do. I think there's something more about
I don't know if it's like maybe the idea of
the fraternal bond of like you know, mates getting together
doing something, and like people wanting to kind of emulate
that kind of relationship. I think more than the individual
kind of adolation over our idolation over one person.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yes, particular, you know, I think Michael Michael Hutchins was
like hot, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I mean like if I and there's if I see
you know, Liam Gallagher walking on this chair, I'm just
going to fang.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Right, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So for me, I wanted to ask you how it
was being like, well, you know, if you're talking about
what you were just talking then in terms of like
the compulsion and addiction stuff that was going on for you,
it sounds like you didn't handle it very well. But
I like, I was gonna ask you what that was
like being an icon for young men, because I would
I would struggle so hard that.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You have to imagine, like it's a time where there's
no social media. As big as we were getting, we
didn't really have any perspective on like you know, we
would just know that we would come to shows and
we saw the shows and they would like the shows.
We didn't have another metric to compare it to wow,
Like we didn't know how many followers we have versus
how many followers somebody else had.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Did you have a moment where you were like we're famous,
Like did you have that?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
There were kind of like little moments along the way.
My first solo record was twenty years ago, and I
remember playing like live aid in front of a million
people in Philadelphia with Stevie Wonder Wow. But then at
the same time, I didn't feel that famous because it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Was Steve Wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I think my I've always been like that level of fame,
where like I just judged myself by how many other
famous people I got to know.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Another band that was probably on the same parallel for
me was The Strokes. I was just really into them
when I sold The Strokes in Australia recently, and Julian
Casablancas was just back on the bus and he was
just a bit of a mess, right, Yeah, that's I mean,
back on it. And then I've never been sober and
so maybe you know, And then I mean, I mean
we still love to go out and we still like
(05:25):
to have our drinks and stuff. I just think, but
I've never it's been a very long time since I've
ever let it get in the way. It's definitely more
of a recreational thing, you yea. You know, once you clock.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Out like a normal person does, as opposed to waking
up Like.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
The first time my son was like nineteen. Like my
son used to come out on the road he was
like ten. It was like as soon as he was
coming out, as like everybody were shutting it down, put
it away, don't show anybody that, you know what I mean.
Then when he was like eighteen, it was kind of like, okay, listen,
just so you know, Dad's not like this all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And even when he.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Shows, these women are like sexualizing my son from the
stage and I'm like, he's a baby.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Stop it. He's twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
By the way, everyone I know, ye single, no, no,
it just has a brand new girl friend. Stay away, guys.
I want to ask you about, uh this Bobby movie thing.
All right on, yeah, if you.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Don't know it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Ryan Gosling does a version of push in the Bobby Movie.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He's been one of that thank you, I love it,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
In nineteen ninety six, I sounded a lot more like
that than people remember it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I was gonna ask you so, first question, the Rob
Thomas voice, like it's iconic. You can't not sing your
songs at some stage.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The first couple of records, it was much more southern
because I was from South Carolina and I had a
really deep southern accent, right, and it was more slurpy.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, you know that it became over the years. Yeah,
and so do you like is that a do you
do you when you're singing? Are you like all right?
Time to go full Rob Thomas on this thing? And
people when I try not.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
To, I think it just happens. Yeah, I mean it's iconic,
it's your voice. Yeah, like I'm not really sure. I
wouldn't know. I'm not a good enough singer to put
something on.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah right, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So the second question I have for you, So apparently
Greta go wig Is said that she's a Matchbook twenty
fan and that's what.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
When she wrote me to ask about using the song,
and she wrote, you, yeah, I mean you have to
give permission. And so when she asked, it was a
one sheet. Really, they just said Greta girl wigs doing
a movie. And I was already in because since like
Francis Hall, I've loved every movie is done right. Yeah,
and uh, but then Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling. You know,
it's just like I was like, whatever it is, I'm
going to be you know, like, what's it's it's Ken's
(07:34):
favorite song and he's singing it by a campfire.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So I mean, I'm I'm not stupid. I know exactly
where this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Come right, and there's it's not wrong because in the
nineties there was this feeling of like manufactured angst in
a way which felt very genuine at the time. And
so the way that I relate to that character was
a sense that, like, you know, this, this guy was
not too bright. He was young's playing young and and uh,
and he didn't know how to use his emotions, so
he had songs like this, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That's how he kind of worked it out. And when
I was.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Young and not that smart, I wrote songs like that,
you know, and that was how I kind of work
through my own thing.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And that's why you were popular. I mean, that's as
a young boy.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's why I loved you guys so much, because as
a young kid, you've got your parents and your teachers
and they're like, you know, you should be like this,
and then you get bands like you and you're like,
oh no, I'm like that emotional.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's because there's a lot of people that like there
were if you were, if they were so embedded in
that first record and then have we as we like,
we're much less of a rock band, you know, we're
we're very much pop rock band, and you know, we
tried to try to do a bunch of different kinds
of things. Yeah, and sometimes people aren't having it. Yeah,
you know, because they were just kind of there for
that part.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That was there. Yeah, You're like, I can't, I can't
be all that. Yeah. I mean, I'm fifty three years old,
you know, I'm rich. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Fine, Okay, So my question for you then is obviously
that song in Bobby is used as like a you know,
because the whole point of the Bobby movie is that
men have it over women and Bobby dolls just.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's a soundtrack for the patriarchy.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, right, well, put, that's not what that song was about,
though it was it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, not, In fact, it was written about me from
the point of view of you were getting pushed rut.
I was in a relationship that I was in and
I was in this by someone who I maybe I
was and I don't know, I could have been wrong,
but it felt like I was being manipulated. It felt like,
you know, it was probably she probably just broke up
with me, like it was probably that was it, of course,
but it just turned it around because I didn't think
(09:26):
that at the time, like nobody wanted to hear a
victim song.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Felt like it was a little better if I could,
if I reverse the.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Roles for a man in the nineties to be talking
about getting emotionally manipulated. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's amazing now that I can have song like the
new song hard to Be Happy and you just write
songs about mental health and not feeling you know, not
being okay and things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I mean, it's a it's a win, yeah, and it's
definitely a better time. But you were writing on well
in the nineties, which was you know, that was.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think where I started to kind of be able
to tap into that thing about me and just realize
that vulnerability was really the currency in music, you know.
And I think and that's the thing that most people
are going to really relate to over time. Like people
might like push because it's going to remind him of
a certain time, but yeah, you know, twenty years later,
people can listen to Unwell because it reminds them of
a moment they're having right there. Yeah, And so you know,
(10:13):
I'm really just been fortunate enough to be around long
enough to be able to kind of explore all those
different kind of themes.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Sorry, the teenage boy in me is just popping off
right now. I actually had some friends over for coffee
before I was telling them that I was interviewing you
this afternoon, and they were like. A friend of mine
said to me, oh, didn't you used to like you
used to like I used to busk a.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Lot when I was a teenager, all right on.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, And he was like, oh, you know you used
to play like a lot of used to play a
lot of Matchbox twenty And I was like, yeah, I did.
And he said you should ask Rob if he would
sing with you. I literally haven't picked up a guitar
in like fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But what happened? Why did you start? Because you found
a successful radio. I brought my guitar. What are we doing?
Three am?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That was the idea. Oh really, yeah, it's good, you
kidding playing it? I was going to well then unless
you want to play it.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Huh no, I want to hear you play. Somebody give
me a dollar. I'm nervous about this done sound check?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Do you okay? One American Dog for one American song.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So I don't know if I'm going to be able
to concentrate on lyrics and guitar.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I can try, I can try, but are you willing?
Are you willing to sing as well? Let's do it.
I can't do it, thank you, because I don't. I
don't want to just sit here and stare at you.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Mika, she said, it's cold outside. She hands me my
ringe cord. She's always worried about things like that. She said,
(12:04):
it's all going to end and might as well have
been my fault.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
She all sleeps around.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It's rain and she screams now.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Her voice istrain, she says, bathing.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Historam I must be lonely, she says, baby, and I
can't help but be scaring it at all sometimes.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
But the rain's gonna wash away.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I believe it.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
One dollar, Thank you, sir, rot. That was unbelievable. Wow.
I never thought that Rob Thomas would be giving me money. Dude.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We were in the car googling how to tell the
difference between a beer and a soda when you open
it up?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Shut up, shut up, all right, Let's do it. I
love that, Otherwise it'll feel like wasted time.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
He's got the goggles on what he is out of
the studio. By the way, he's going to go on
off having his baby.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Guys, if you're just joining us, Rob is going to
be doing. Can you hear it now? Rob?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You should know on this celebrity leaderboard, Joe Jonas has six. Oh,
so he's at the bottom end of the celebrity leaderboard.
It kind of goes up from there. Now, if you
get zero, you'll be on the same as Jason Derulo.
I'm not sure if you and Jason have hung out
at all. Uh no, five seconds of somewhere in here.
They got nine yesterday.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Okay, so that's just If I get one, I'm gonna
feel like a man, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, you've been practicing in the car, so you should
get one. He's your first can. That's a beer, Rob Thomas,
thanks for dropping by. It's been great a beer.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I was so ready.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I feel like I knew exactly what a beer was
gonna sound like, and that was it.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'm ready to go again, are you sure? Yeah? Because
the thing is, let me see that can again. The
problem is, you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Know you can take that and shove it up your ass.
I don't want to keep going.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The thing is, if hearing it on the microphone is
really different to hearing it away from the microphone, You're
getting an intense version right now.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Remember that, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Also, I feel like when I was in the car,
I got a really false, pumped up sense of my
ability to do this. I just I was like, I'm
gonna I'm gonna rule it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
This can one. Here we go. That's a beer. That's
a beer. Yeah, it was a phoamy thing. All right, Look,
he really is.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You can just leave your goggles on, you know, man,
you don't need to pull back up for air.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I just don't believe you. All right, here we go,
can't you? That's a beer? Rub Thomas, thanks again for
dropping by.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I always like to point out that I'm a pretty
good songwriter and we could just go with that.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I dude, I I've never been more upset at a
stupid skill that I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Have one can one better than Jason Dulo. You take it,
I'll do it. It's been great having you in man.
Rob's go a brand new album, All night Days. Tickets
to go and see him still Melbourne, Sydney shows, great
to have you on the studio, Rob Thomas and Villain Woody.
Thanks so much, man, thanks without without Woodie.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
We need you again. Yeah, and congrats to.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
What I can't I can't believe that just because he's
having a baby and can say HI to me, But
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Priorities I guess I don't know. Thanks Rob,
My Heart podcasts, hear More Kids podcasts, playlists and listen
live on the Free Hard you're you're joining us. I'm
gonna be honest at a very strange time. If you
were listening just before, you would have heard Woody literally
run out of the studio. He's going to go and
have a baby. Guys, So that that happened, which.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Probably his wife's having the baby, but still I would
it's a big deal and amazingly.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I mean, we had a bunch of people on speed
dial to fill in for him, but Rob Thomas picked
up the phone first and he's in the studio now
co hosting.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I appreciate I have.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I have a lot of free time and I'm happy
to be I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Happy to be anywhere nice that you could come on in.
I mean all the.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Way down janitorial like whatever you need, I'm here, all right,
Johnny on the spot.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'll let them know. I let him know there actually
is a bit of cleaning that Rob. You're you're touring
Australia at the moment. Just did Perth. We did Perth,
Adelaide and one night in Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Brand new record it's called All Night Days Now. We
were just saying off air that your son is is it?
Mason is Mason? So he's playing in your band with you.
He is twenty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Twenty seven He played a full tour in the States,
and then this is his second tour here.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Probably, so I'm interested. I'm going to weave this through.
So because what he's not here, I can ask complicated questions.
So so when I was a teenager, like I was
a like an enormous matchbox t it's next like enormous,
Like I really and what's all we listened to.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Religious very cool man. I'm actually very nervous talking to you.
I don't normally get me it should be a very
big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I don't normally get nervous talking to people, but I
was very nervous about you coming in and the fact
that you had a boy and being a I don't know,
I just I suppose being a role model to a son.
And I look back on like, you know who you
were probably when you had him, which is I mean,
I was a lastly different person.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I was a mess for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, I think you know that's why there's something
really kind of great about the idea that this job
that was the thing that kept me away from him
for a lot of times, you know, more than I
wanted to, because he's traveling, you're out trying to hustle,
and you doing anything. Is now the thing that's kind
of brought us back together in a really big way.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, And he's sincerely of my one.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Of my one of my best friends, you know, like
just as a just as a person, and I think
he's he's just so kind and he's not like the
first week that we were out, we got you know,
we did all rehearsals and we got the first few
shows under our belt, and the whole band is like, okay, guys,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know because my solo.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Band has been with me for twenty years at that band,
so like we're all family, and we're like, okay, we're
all together. Now, let's go out. Let's get some dinner,
let's have some drinks. And call him up and like okay,
this is we're going to go. And he's like, I
don't know. Daddy's like I really want to kill it
these next three shows. I'm gonna go to the hotel
room and get some rest. Yeah, And I was like,
you're dead to me. By the time he was born,
I just met my wife and was it's my wife
(02:53):
is not his mother, so we met.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
When I met my wife, I think I became a
person more suited for that. Yeah. Cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But I'm very honest with him about especially because he
doesn't have any of the compulsion issues that I have,
so you know, I'm not worried about him, you know,
idolizing that part of me. But he just thinks the
stories are very, very funny. Now I am literally just
dad joke guy. So it's like, you just he almost
can't believe that that guy ever existed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I don't think that kind of like male fandom exists
these days, Like it's not cool to be in love
with a male pop star these days.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think there's a reason why, like bands like you know,
if you have my chemical romance and things like that
they seem to do. I think there's something more about
I don't know if it's like maybe the idea of
the fraternal bond of like you know, mates getting together
doing something, and like people wanting to kind of emulate
that kind of relationship. I think more than the individual
kind of adolation over our idolation over one person.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yes, particular, you know, I think Michael Michael Hutchins was
like hot, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I mean like if I and there's if I see
you know, Liam Gallagher walking on this chair, I'm just
going to fang.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Right, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So for me, I wanted to ask you how it
was being like, well, you know, if you're talking about
what you were just talking then in terms of like
the compulsion and addiction stuff that was going on for you,
it sounds like you didn't handle it very well. But
I like, I was gonna ask you what that was
like being an icon for young men, because I would
I would struggle so hard that.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You have to imagine, like it's a time where there's
no social media. As big as we were getting, we
didn't really have any perspective on like you know, we
would just know that we would come to shows and
we saw the shows and they would like the shows.
We didn't have another metric to compare it to wow,
Like we didn't know how many followers we have versus
how many followers somebody else had.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Did you have a moment where you were like we're famous,
Like did you have that?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
There were kind of like little moments along the way.
My first solo record was twenty years ago, and I
remember playing like live aid in front of a million
people in Philadelphia with Stevie Wonder Wow. But then at
the same time, I didn't feel that famous because it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Was Steve Wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I think my I've always been like that level of fame,
where like I just judged myself by how many other
famous people I got to know.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Another band that was probably on the same parallel for
me was The Strokes. I was just really into them
when I sold The Strokes in Australia recently, and Julian
Casablancas was just back on the bus and he was
just a bit of a mess, right, Yeah, that's I mean,
back on it. And then I've never been sober and
so maybe you know, And then I mean, I mean
we still love to go out and we still like
(05:25):
to have our drinks and stuff. I just think, but
I've never it's been a very long time since I've
ever let it get in the way. It's definitely more
of a recreational thing, you yea. You know, once you clock.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Out like a normal person does, as opposed to waking
up Like.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
The first time my son was like nineteen. Like my
son used to come out on the road he was
like ten. It was like as soon as he was
coming out, as like everybody were shutting it down, put
it away, don't show anybody that, you know what I mean.
Then when he was like eighteen, it was kind of like, okay, listen,
just so you know, Dad's not like this all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And even when he.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Shows, these women are like sexualizing my son from the
stage and I'm like, he's a baby.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Stop it. He's twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
By the way, everyone I know, ye single, no, no,
it just has a brand new girl friend. Stay away, guys.
I want to ask you about, uh this Bobby movie thing.
All right on, yeah, if you.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Don't know it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Ryan Gosling does a version of push in the Bobby Movie.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He's been one of that thank you, I love it,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
In nineteen ninety six, I sounded a lot more like
that than people remember it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I was gonna ask you so, first question, the Rob
Thomas voice, like it's iconic. You can't not sing your
songs at some stage.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The first couple of records, it was much more southern
because I was from South Carolina and I had a
really deep southern accent, right, and it was more slurpy.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, you know that it became over the years. Yeah,
and so do you like is that a do you
do you when you're singing? Are you like all right?
Time to go full Rob Thomas on this thing? And
people when I try not.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
To, I think it just happens. Yeah, I mean it's iconic,
it's your voice. Yeah, like I'm not really sure. I
wouldn't know. I'm not a good enough singer to put
something on.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah right, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So the second question I have for you, So apparently
Greta go wig Is said that she's a Matchbook twenty
fan and that's what.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
When she wrote me to ask about using the song,
and she wrote, you, yeah, I mean you have to
give permission. And so when she asked, it was a
one sheet. Really, they just said Greta girl wigs doing
a movie. And I was already in because since like
Francis Hall, I've loved every movie is done right. Yeah,
and uh, but then Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling. You know,
it's just like I was like, whatever it is, I'm
going to be you know, like, what's it's it's Ken's
(07:34):
favorite song and he's singing it by a campfire.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So I mean, I'm I'm not stupid. I know exactly
where this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Come right, and there's it's not wrong because in the
nineties there was this feeling of like manufactured angst in
a way which felt very genuine at the time. And
so the way that I relate to that character was
a sense that, like, you know, this, this guy was
not too bright. He was young's playing young and and uh,
and he didn't know how to use his emotions, so
he had songs like this, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That's how he kind of worked it out. And when
I was.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Young and not that smart, I wrote songs like that,
you know, and that was how I kind of work
through my own thing.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And that's why you were popular. I mean, that's as
a young boy.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's why I loved you guys so much, because as
a young kid, you've got your parents and your teachers
and they're like, you know, you should be like this,
and then you get bands like you and you're like,
oh no, I'm like that emotional.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's because there's a lot of people that like there
were if you were, if they were so embedded in
that first record and then have we as we like,
we're much less of a rock band, you know, we're
we're very much pop rock band, and you know, we
tried to try to do a bunch of different kinds
of things. Yeah, and sometimes people aren't having it. Yeah,
you know, because they were just kind of there for
that part.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That was there. Yeah, You're like, I can't, I can't
be all that. Yeah. I mean, I'm fifty three years old,
you know, I'm rich. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Fine, Okay, So my question for you then is obviously
that song in Bobby is used as like a you know,
because the whole point of the Bobby movie is that
men have it over women and Bobby dolls just.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's a soundtrack for the patriarchy.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, right, well, put, that's not what that song was about,
though it was it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, not, In fact, it was written about me from
the point of view of you were getting pushed rut.
I was in a relationship that I was in and
I was in this by someone who I maybe I
was and I don't know, I could have been wrong,
but it felt like I was being manipulated. It felt like,
you know, it was probably she probably just broke up
with me, like it was probably that was it, of course,
but it just turned it around because I didn't think
(09:26):
that at the time, like nobody wanted to hear a
victim song.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Felt like it was a little better if I could,
if I reverse the.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Roles for a man in the nineties to be talking
about getting emotionally manipulated. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's amazing now that I can have song like the
new song hard to Be Happy and you just write
songs about mental health and not feeling you know, not
being okay and things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I mean, it's a it's a win, yeah, and it's
definitely a better time. But you were writing on well
in the nineties, which was you know, that was.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think where I started to kind of be able
to tap into that thing about me and just realize
that vulnerability was really the currency in music, you know.
And I think and that's the thing that most people
are going to really relate to over time. Like people
might like push because it's going to remind him of
a certain time, but yeah, you know, twenty years later,
people can listen to Unwell because it reminds them of
a moment they're having right there. Yeah, And so you know,
(10:13):
I'm really just been fortunate enough to be around long
enough to be able to kind of explore all those
different kind of themes.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Sorry, the teenage boy in me is just popping off
right now. I actually had some friends over for coffee
before I was telling them that I was interviewing you
this afternoon, and they were like. A friend of mine
said to me, oh, didn't you used to like you
used to like I used to busk a.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Lot when I was a teenager, all right on.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, And he was like, oh, you know you used
to play like a lot of used to play a
lot of Matchbox twenty And I was like, yeah, I did.
And he said you should ask Rob if he would
sing with you. I literally haven't picked up a guitar
in like fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But what happened? Why did you start? Because you found
a successful radio. I brought my guitar. What are we doing?
Three am?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That was the idea. Oh really, yeah, it's good, you
kidding playing it? I was going to well then unless
you want to play it.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Huh no, I want to hear you play. Somebody give
me a dollar. I'm nervous about this done sound check?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Do you okay? One American Dog for one American song.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So I don't know if I'm going to be able
to concentrate on lyrics and guitar.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I can try, I can try, but are you willing?
Are you willing to sing as well? Let's do it.
I can't do it, thank you, because I don't. I
don't want to just sit here and stare at you.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Mika, she said, it's cold outside. She hands me my
ringe cord. She's always worried about things like that. She said,
(12:04):
it's all going to end and might as well have
been my fault.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
She all sleeps around.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It's rain and she screams now.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Her voice istrain, she says, bathing.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Historam I must be lonely, she says, baby, and I
can't help but be scaring it at all sometimes.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
But the rain's gonna wash away.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I believe it.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
One dollar, Thank you, sir, rot. That was unbelievable. Wow.
I never thought that Rob Thomas would be giving me money. Dude.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We were in the car googling how to tell the
difference between a beer and a soda when you open
it up?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Shut up, shut up, all right, Let's do it. I
love that, Otherwise it'll feel like wasted time.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
He's got the goggles on what he is out of
the studio. By the way, he's going to go on
off having his baby.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Guys, if you're just joining us, Rob is going to
be doing. Can you hear it now? Rob?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You should know on this celebrity leaderboard, Joe Jonas has six. Oh,
so he's at the bottom end of the celebrity leaderboard.
It kind of goes up from there. Now, if you
get zero, you'll be on the same as Jason Derulo.
I'm not sure if you and Jason have hung out
at all. Uh no, five seconds of somewhere in here.
They got nine yesterday.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Okay, so that's just If I get one, I'm gonna
feel like a man, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, you've been practicing in the car, so you should
get one. He's your first can. That's a beer, Rob Thomas,
thanks for dropping by. It's been great a beer.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I was so ready.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I feel like I knew exactly what a beer was
gonna sound like, and that was it.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'm ready to go again, are you sure? Yeah? Because
the thing is, let me see that can again. The
problem is, you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Know you can take that and shove it up your ass.
I don't want to keep going.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The thing is, if hearing it on the microphone is
really different to hearing it away from the microphone, You're
getting an intense version right now.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Remember that, all right?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Also, I feel like when I was in the car,
I got a really false, pumped up sense of my
ability to do this. I just I was like, I'm
gonna I'm gonna rule it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
This can one. Here we go. That's a beer. That's
a beer. Yeah, it was a phoamy thing. All right, Look,
he really is.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You can just leave your goggles on, you know, man,
you don't need to pull back up for air.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I just don't believe you. All right, here we go,
can't you? That's a beer? Rub Thomas, thanks again for
dropping by.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I always like to point out that I'm a pretty
good songwriter and we could just go with that.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I dude, I I've never been more upset at a
stupid skill that I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Have one can one better than Jason Dulo. You take it,
I'll do it. It's been great having you in man.
Rob's go a brand new album, All night Days. Tickets
to go and see him still Melbourne, Sydney shows, great
to have you on the studio, Rob Thomas and Villain Woody.
Thanks so much, man, thanks without without Woodie.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
We need you again. Yeah, and congrats to.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
What I can't I can't believe that just because he's
having a baby and can say HI to me, But
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Priorities I guess I don't know. Thanks Rob,
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