November 4, 2025 • 41 mins
- Celebrity Storm Outs
- Rowing across the Pacific
- When do you need a lawyer?
- Woody gets the call
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The Will M.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Woody podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Woods, I can't recall a moment where this has happened,
But have you ever made a celebrity storm out of
an interview?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Have you storm now? Have you ever angered a celebrity?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Do you do? You want to share that or is
it best not to share that. We've discussed this on
our podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I angered Niall Horan when he was in here because
I was asking him. I asked him about his mum,
his mom had His ex girlfriend had the same name
as your mum.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I didn't know they.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Broke up three He was his ex girlfriend of like
three days. Her name was Melissa Whitelaw. Your mom's name
is Melissa white Law. And I brought that up with
him before we did the conversation because I was like,
heads up, we think this is funny, and he was like,
that's just not funny. Didn't find it funny, won't be
doing that, and that was a really bad interview as
a result.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Okay, great, So you can relate to a woman called
Savannah Guthrie then, who is the co anchor of the
Today Show in a me Erica. Oh yeah, she's effectively
talked about the one question she regrets asking a guest.
Oh and it was Chloe Kardashian. Oh wow, this is
what she said.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I asked Chloe Kardashian like ten seconds before we were
going to break about the rumors that her father wasn't
her father. I was so embarrassed that I felt like
all this pressure I had just started, and I felt
like the producers wanted me to ask this dishy question.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Can't ask someone is your dad actually your dad?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Chloe was very angry. They went to ads. I don't
think she came back after the ads. So is her
dad not her dad? I didn't know the tea on
Christian Age outside her mum is christ Jenna, her dad.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Robert Kardashian, But there are rumors apparently that her dad
may have been O. J.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Simpson.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Oh that's right, that's right. I forgot about whoa yeah
christ Jenna? So she, by the way, I always one
of the very confusing its Christopher k Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah? Also, who what about Caitlin? Thank you? So Caitlin
is not any of their fathers? Bruce, Jenna was Kylie
or is Kylie? And Kendall's fun Sorry, but.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
She's Chloe Kardashian not Chloe Jenna. Yes, hence Bruce was
not her father.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yes, I think I think we've made the family, know
what I mean against confus.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
The likes most one of the most spoken about families
in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
If you are fresh to that discussion, it's a pretty
big blended. It is a landmine totally. But I think
there's a lot going on. I think we've covered it,
and then you just throwing the juice as well.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Doesn't know who the juice is probably famous for the
most famous court case ever in American history.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, and he might be and Kardashian's dad.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, So we don't think that.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
We've never said that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
We have never said that. People have said it repeating.
Speaker 8 (02:56):
She's a lot taller, She's quite like in comparison to
the other.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The juice is huge. God could he play football anyway?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What I want to talk to you about though off,
this is the one thing I think when we go
into celebrity interviews that we don't want to do is
anger the celebrity too true, right, That's that's probably the
one rule we go into all interviews with. We're going
to go to a song up next. I'm just going
to bring up celebrities with you, and I want you
to do the opposite. I want you to think on
(03:23):
the spot of the question that you think would make
them storm out of the interview. Okay, Tom Cruise, what's
the question that makes him storm out?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Why did Katie Holmes and your daughter hide from you? WHOA, yep?
I think he's easy? Yeah, okay, I know the controversial ground. No,
I grab it.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I'm like a moth to a flame with this stuff. Mate, Madonna,
why is the un so worried about.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I have just realized this is right on the line
and the bit that I thought this was a fun bit,
but I was like, wow, this is just gonna after
land Mine.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But here we go Madonna.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
The problem is, I think Madonna's like, like, I just
think she's kind of a bit above this, Like she'd
be easy to get to walk out.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
She just doesn't do interviews.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You know, we've locked in time, We've got five minutes
with how do you make a storm out?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The first question?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Are you sad that Beyonce is a better live show
than you?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Good, that's that's good.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Okay, she'd hate that, or because we know she hates Gaga,
so he could be.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Does it suck that Lady Gargo has a way better voice.
She'd hate that. Elton John, How you believe Madonna's still
a better somewhereriter? In my view though?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Carry on, Elton John, Elton John, Oh, my god's because
he's famous for just being the absolute PREMI ma Donna, So.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He'd be pretty easy, I reckon. Do you think it
would have sold more records if you were taller? Oh?
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Go for his heart? Really sure? I love that, and
he'd probably never get well, no ties around him. How
does it feel in the size of a twelve year
old boy? Love that struggle getting into over eighteen clubs
being that high? Really, it would never have gone on
a roller coaster ride.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
How much of a hack do you have to be
by just remixing current pop stars songs?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh? That that gets him in there? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Like, if you doesn't suck that, you don't make any
of your records and you just get Britney Spears and
Jewelie for to redo yours.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, so you couple that with the height gear. Yep,
that's a good combat one too. Yeah, that's a good
one too. Okay, No, I think we're making it very
clear you'd never ask these questions. I am challenging you
to bring up the thing that would make them storm.
MAT's totally different thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, Russell Crowe, Oh umm.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Again, so many hang on, let me just ever think
about it. I'm not that many.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Um oh yeah, well, I've got to be careful here.
I don't know, because I mean, there's no chance that
Elton and Madonna and who is the other one?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
They're not hearing this rusty Tom cruise. I've interviewed Russell before.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
He's love.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Do you want to skip? I'm going to give you
one skip, allowing it. I'm allowing it.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
I go down with you.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean the rabbit, o sucker, the nice. It's good,
plain fun, good, plain fun. Let's end it there.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Actually, let's get on top. This is pretty hard to conceive.
Jess and Miriam road eight thousand miles across the Pacific Ocean.
It's almost fifteen it seems like ten hours and one
hundred and sixty five days, starting in Peru and finishing
in cans and.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They join us right now, safe and sound, on willing.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
Hey guys, hello, thanks for having us on.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Of course, now this is probably a pretty immature question.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
There's so many questions we could ask you, but I
do want to ask you first and foremost, toilet while
you're on the boat.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
What was that mirror? Bucket?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Bucket and jack here?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But bucket, bucket and chuck it?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So because what I was, what I was envisioning, is
the thing he used to do when you were like
a kid and you just kind of like dangle half
your body over the boat and let it go.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But it wasn't that.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
No, you'd end up getting just like a kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Very good, Okay, cool, And a question there for I
guess a question for how close you guys are shared
bucket or different bucket?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, we had the.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
Same bucket, but we'd always clean it. So yeah, actually
the most comfortable seat on the boats.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Guys. What what does the day look like? Because I
was I was talking one of the producers before, I was.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Like, are they are you anchoring at night? Like because
you're in the middle of the Pacific.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Like how are you? How are you? How are you
doing this?
Speaker 9 (07:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
What what does the day look like? Is one of
you always rowing? I mean runs through.
Speaker 9 (07:50):
We're rowing day and night. We've got to keep the
boat moving. As much as possible.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
No anchoring.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
No, there's a sea anchor, a parachute anchor in case
the wind was in the wrong direction or something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But in the.
Speaker 9 (08:01):
Beginning, our routine was two hours on, two hours off,
with we do an extra voutry hour during the day
whenever we felt we had the energy, and then towards
the end we were basically just rowing all day, and
then from six pm to ten am we do the
two hours on, two hours off, and those off bits
we could sleep, but you never get the four two
hours off because by the time you got into the
cabin and you maybe had a bit of a wash
(08:23):
or sorted out some admins or ran home. So we
probably averaged about four to six hours sleep for the crossing.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh sorry, you were going down there and doing emails.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, well, we like cleaning yourself. Yeah sorry, I thought
you were like, well, better pay the bills returns Like.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, why why why? I keep going back to that,
Why why are you doing this? This is insane?
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Yeah, I mean we so we both met when we
were rowing across the Atlantic Ocean in twenty twenty two.
So there's a there's a race called the Tellus Whiskey
Atlantic Challenge. It's been renamed the World's toughest row and
it's a three thousand miles rowing race from Lagomera in
the Canary Islands to Antigua in the Caribbean and mint
growing solo. And I was wearing as a team of
four and we were in Antigua celebrating and pretty much
(09:16):
a week after, you know, we've both been on land together,
we decided let's try and top this. We absolutely loved
our time out there and so decided let's try and
take on the biggest ocean.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Wow, bloody hell. What was the hardest thing about being
on the bike? What was what was the bit was difficult?
Speaker 9 (09:33):
I think probably the sleep deprivation we did pass There
was some days you'd have good days and bad days,
and then some days where you're just passing out on
the oars like just hit back, you'll be fine, You'll
be rowing and you can sleep rope for a little
bit and then you'll just sort of goom and then
I mean one day I opened the cabin door and
Jessman I just fell asleep, eat my snacks and she
(09:54):
was like just cut.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Around and also like you try and snacks to keep
you awake, And I was like, how ear has this happened?
Speaker 9 (10:02):
This is wilds?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So what about like injuries?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Like I occasionally will jump on the rowing machine at
the gym and bang out a kilometer. Sometimes I get
blisters on my hands, so I try to actually steer
clear of it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
How are the hands?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Hands were good?
Speaker 8 (10:19):
To be honest, I mean we did so much rowing
on the on the rowing machine prior and also did
a lot of training in our boat that our hands
were pretty tough before starting, so we didn't really suffer
from blisters our hands up. Yeah, just I've turned into
our feet almost feet are really solid for not walking anywhere,
and our hands are really really tough.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Need to go to get some manicures.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So what was so physically then?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
What was the hardest part about rowing just so much
and rowing across the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's a tricky one. It's very mental. Our boat is.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Like, because it's such a big boat for this trip
and to get everything in there. It can be rowed
by up to four people, so it's a really heavy boat.
So it was actually really hard when there was no
wind and no waves and everybody thinks you want calm
weather but it doesn't help you go forward at all.
And as we got closer to this side, the ozone
layer was getting thinner, so the heat went on those
(11:13):
calm days when there was no wind to just cool
you down.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
This food part of it. So you you five thousand
calories a day?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is that age?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Yeah, so we were trying to consume that many, but
we weren't really ever able to because we just really
didated food.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
It's just so, was there a support boat at any
stages they're both following you along here or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You took all your.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Food for six months and you've both got to eat
five thousand calories a day.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, so that's all. Wow, what is that just powdered milk?
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Well, it's actually meals like curries and like pastavalonnaise and
anything you can think of really, and you just add
water and there's no texture to it whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's just mush.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You taking all your water on there? Does that work?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Well?
Speaker 9 (12:01):
We have a desalinator, a water mall okay, the seawater,
but we had a problem with that, so that was.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
As well.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You never had one of those big rills moments on
the boat.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you know who Big Grills is and what he's famous.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, you never had a moment like that with the
bucket d Yes, perfectly. I am asking you if you
ever drank your own urine in desperation?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh no, that point okay, okay, that's good. Good to confirm,
Good to confirm.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So let's talk then about the first meal when you
get back on land, and then what's the first meal?
Speaker 8 (12:39):
So we had we had pizzas and beer when we Yeah,
as our first meal. We already put our orders in
for for pizzas a week before we arrived.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So good, and that is that thing you're missing most,
just like good quality food?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is that what you're missing?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (12:53):
I mean we would spend most of our day talking
about food. So in the beginning we were really craving. Yeah,
and then as we got across it, it was just pizza.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But we would just get so obsessed with food.
Speaker 9 (13:04):
We would just ask each other these stupid questions all day,
like what's your favorite pasta shape?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And what's your favorite pudding?
Speaker 9 (13:10):
And oh god, and then we start messaging around all
our support team to find out like what their favorite
cake was.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Answers and we're.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
Just annoying everybody with all these stupid food questions and
he was entertained for hours.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It sounds like a riot.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
And you guys, I also heard before you got on them,
before we got into the pizza NBA. So you've been
rowing for six months on the Pacific, So what were
the first steps on land?
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Like quite webbly And yeah, we could not believe how
many people were at the finish. Our story has sort
of been shared really wide by lost in Here, one
of our partners, and they've really spread the message out
and we had so many people at the finish line.
It was just it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Cool, awesome. What about slap? Was slap weird? Back in
a bed?
Speaker 9 (13:55):
Yeah, So we we both have been up to like
three in the morning the last couple of nights because
we've been so wide and just wide awake, maybe because
we're not exhausting ourselves all day so bit it's hard
now it's I think it's going to catch up on
us and were crash soon. But yeah, got a lot
of adrenaline, still quite wired from it all and the
finished Do you.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Ever wake up thinking you're still on the boat?
Speaker 9 (14:16):
Not yet, Yeah, I think that'll come. We did just
have some like really random boat dreams. I used to
get really disorientated and I would be asleep and I
would dream about something that was happening on the boat.
So when I woke up, I would think it was
time to go back to sleep again, and then realize
I'd have to.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Get up and do another two hours.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Rowing, Oh, I can't, I just I just I don't
get these guys.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't get it at all. I'm impressed. I'm then
so can I ask?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Was there ever a moment where you feared for your
lives where you were like, you know, this is well
enough now, like this is this is not is not
the fun that we thought it would be.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
We definitely didn't have any moments where we were scared,
but we've had a lot of moments where we were
really frustrated just because of the amount of things that
went wrong run. It broke me out to restart. We
had parishes throughout, so we're pretty much dead ship. We
also the water maker pipes burst nine times, and then
the emergent emergency water maker filter also fell off, and
(15:13):
Mims prepaired that with a pair of knickers.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
A lot of problem solving throughout were.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
We argued, did you argue at any point.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, no, no, there's nothing to argue about.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
We were just not when you're talking about your favorite cake.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I suppose aout that the only chat. Well, guys, it's
seriously impressive. Congratulations from both of us is just one
of the best things that I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I just can't believe you did it. You're done with
rowing there? Or what's next?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh no, we'd love to do it again. To be fair,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Get out more. Go do something fun in Ken's something fun.
I don't know. Just stand at the beach, just chill
just for a second. Life's being good.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, were very good at out.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm getting that sense. All the guys have been loving.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
To meet you, Jess and Miriam, fresh off rowing across
the Pacific Ocean, and there's just an extraordinary sentence from Peru
to Cans in five point four months, one hundred and
sixty five days. Guys, congratulations again, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Joining some of.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Been watching a lot of like crime TV shows and
crime movies. It's just it's a go to I love
crime thrillers, and I'm finding in every single what.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Are you watching at the moment, Well, it's actually a
book that I'm reading.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's a crime book, which I'm not gonna I don't
know what it's called because I get it on the kindle,
because I buy it on the kindle and then you
never see the cover anymore, so I never know the
name of the book.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, but anyway, it's a woman.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
She's been found, she's been killed, right, and they're now
questioning a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Of people who could be suspects. But who killed this woman?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now, in all these crime shows, movies, or books, there's
a moment where the police are interrogating someone or talking
to someone and then the person this line always comes
up and they say.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Should I should I call a lawyer? Yeah? And that
is always a moment where you go.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Ah, you look guilty now because you've mentioned and the
police want you to feel.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That way, yes.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Or the other way that it goes is the cops go,
we recommend you get an attorney.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
We're about to go on.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You can go from just so you know we're taking
you very seriously. Recommend you get a lawyer. It's their
way of saying, like you're a suspect.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
So that's when you know you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Without saying I want to focus on the other side,
which is when you feel the need to bring it up, right,
because I think whenever you've been interrogated, and I've never
been interrogated, but when you're in the interrogation room.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
All you're trying to do is not look guilty.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yes, right, And I don't even know how you're supposed
to play that from the books and stuff. It's just
don't get emotional, don't get defensive, and just answer their questions,
don't give too much detail.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Well no, no, no, that's in my head because whenever.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You're watching one of these TV shows, you're like, how
would I ask answer that question?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think there's so many.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I feel like you just feel my evidence lecture just
like yelling at the moment so much that you've missed
uh yeah sure. I think the point is there are
certain questions that you actually don't have to answer.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, But that's why it's nice to have a lawyer
with you to tell you which questions you don't have
to answer.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Okay, that, but let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We all know that when you're watching these TV shows, yea,
and the person says, should I call my lawyer?
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's like a win for the police because they go like,
now you look dodgy, Now you look guilty.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So my question was also find it funny that they
always have a lawyer. Oh yeah, and they're like, should
I have a lawyer? I call my lawyer.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I'm like, well, you've already got a lawyer, dude, you're
already looking pretty dodged. Like how many times are you
calling your lawyer in to get you out of this
sort of stuff? Right if you've got them on speak
let me just figure out if there is anyone who
could actually come down right now.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And then it was like the next scene, they're like, oh,
here I am with my lawyer.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, and they're always like they're quite cordially with their lawyer, like,
oh good to see.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
How are the kids. Yeah, it's like how often.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Like if they're a gangster, I get it, Like you
obviously need some sort of yere you know, swindling style
lawyer who's always thetting value out of tough situations. But yeah, yeah,
I agree, Sure, I agree. It's a red flag for
me if they've got a lawyer, red flag.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Okay, okay, okay, But if you're trying to not look, Dodgy, yep,
when should you bring up or when should.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You involve the lawyer?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Because it's just a hard thing to bring up, right,
because if you if you come if if a police
say to you, how do you want to ask you
a couple of questions, and you come down with a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, Dodgy, No, I'm watching that TV show, Go guilty,
Why did you bring a lawyer? They just wanted to
ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But also on the other side, if you come in
alone and then you're answering questions and then four questions in,
you go, oh should I call my lawyer?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that looks worse. Yeah, I agree, So I
agree you're a trained lawy. I'm not a trained came
that more. Yeah, that's trained lawyer. No, it's not carry
on trained you know the law? Yeah, all right, Like
IL study this stuff for like a year.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So if I ever find myself in that situation where
I'm being interrogated and by the way, I'm not guilty
because I'm a good boy, when am I involving my lawyer?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
When's the best time for me to involve my lawyer?
Do you not have you done it?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
No? From the start, but I would fold. But you know,
like I'm not good in an interrogation room. I can
only imagine that i'd get sweaty in there.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Do you know? Do you know anything about it? Why
are you getting question?
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Then?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I don't know. That's what is the situation.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I mean is I didn't think I should even be
coming down to the police station to be questioned.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Sure, is there a chance that you might know something
and not know that? You know? That's something that is
classic meing. So yeah, maybe from the start, but of dodgy. No,
it's not with a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Uh No, like I because I think if you say
halfway through I need a lawyer, that's when you go,
I'm hiding something. Oh I don't know how to like
work my way out of this. Yeah, because you've got
nothing to hide. But I just think that like people
who are generally as incapable of you and as you,
and who also can really put their foot in it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like you might end up in jail
if you don't have a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's my biggest fear, end up in jail for a
CRIMEA did and convicted woods I had to pick up
at daycare. The other day picking up my daughter Remy,
and as I was walking into the outdoor area to
go and find Remy, just one of the kids. I
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don't know if this was an intentional barb, but just
just just like I wasn't wearing shoes and she just
pointed at my feet just goes, why have you got
no shoes on? And I was like, I'm just I
just I just didn't want to put schoos on today,
and she just goes, can you not afford shoes?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I was like, oh, wow, wack, that's kind of that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
That's hit.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's hit. I'm embarrassed that that's hit.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
But the two year old's hit me there and just
got me thinking, like if you like there is some
school gyard insults that still hit.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Oh yeah, And like.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I've just written the couple down here just like I
reckon if anyone if an adult said this to aford
shoes is strong, yeah you can you don't afford them?
And delivered it well, that was genuinely curious, like can
you not afford shoes? I can, I bloody can afford it.
And I felt like defensive about it. I was like
I wanted to prove it to them. I wanted to
take them to the shops and buy them a pair
of Clarks or something. Anyway, here's another one that it
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would still if an adult said this, it would still
get me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You're not invited to my birthday.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Party, just like if someone just straight up said to you,
you're not invited to my birthday party.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Or hit that that hits, that hits. That's a lot. Okay,
here's another one.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I mean, this is definitely there's a bit of immature,
but again, this would this would get me if this
came up at a dinner if someone said to me,
when you take a Wii, you pull your bents down
to the ankles and m hmmm, that would that would
definitely that would definitely between that would one hurt me.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know about it as well, because you you know,
all of a sudden well there's also truth to it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I think the thing with all these insults.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Sorry, I've just got a text message and I'm going
to go, oh by the drop zone.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Drop It's not desperate, It's okay. I was going to
do the drop zone desperately like a machine.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So so MIM's got she's she's going in, she's what
the water's broken.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
So she came no, no, no, no, what has haven't broken?
But like she'd be messaging me saying like, belly's got
even lower, my boobs are leaky, which is obviously like,
but she thinks she might be going into the labor
so I'm probably gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Have to go Jesus. All right, mate, Well, okay, see
you mate? What do we What do I do? Will
show we don't.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Have to go now, get out of it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Enjoy my double get the get the que cards out,
double dad, I see your brother.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I mean, thank God saved us for some awful gear.
Tell you what primary school insults?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Oh god? Uh so? Yeah, all right, well sorry, and
I'm just trying to clicking around here. What am I doing? Now?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
We'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
We'll figure it out it out. Okay, all right, Rob
Thomas gonna be in the studio. Guess don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You're you're joining us. I mean to be honest.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
At a very strange time, if you were listening just before,
you would have heard Woody literally run out.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Of the studio.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
He's going to go and have a baby. Guys, So
that that happened, which probably.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
His wife's having the baby.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
But still I would it's a big deal and amazingly.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I mean, we had a bunch of people on speed
dial to fill in for him, but Rob Thomas picked
up the phone first and he's in the studio now
co hosting.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
I appreciate I have a lot of free time and
I'm happy to be I'm happy to be anywhere nice
that you could come on in. I mean all the
way down janitorial like, whatever you need, I'm here. All right,
you're Johnny on the spot.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'll let them know. I' let him know. There actually
is a bit of cleaning that out here.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You're touring Australia at the moment. Just did Perth.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
We did Perth Adelaide and one night in Melbourne brand
new record it's called All Night Days, which is out now.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
We were just saying off air that your son is
it Mason Mason, so he's playing in your band with
you is twenty seven years old.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Twenty seven.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
He played a full tour in the States and this
is his second tour.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Here probably, so I'm interested.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm going to weave this through so because what he's
not here, I can ask complicated questions. So so when
I was a teenager, like I was a like an
enormous matchbox t it's nice, like enormous, like I really
and all what's all we listened to?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Really just very cool man.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm actually very nervous talking to you. I don't normally
get me.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You should be I have a very big deal.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I don't normally get nervous talking to people.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But I was very nervous about you coming in and
the fact that you had a boy and being a
I don't know, I just I suppose being a role
model to a son. And I look back on like,
you know, who you were probably when you had him,
which is I mean, I was a lastly different person.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
I was a mess for a lot of it.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
I mean, I think you know that's why there's something
really kind of great about the idea that this job
that was the thing that kept me away from him
for a lot of times, you know, more than I
wanted to, because you're traveling, you're out trying to hustle
and you do anything. Is now the thing that's kind
of brought us back together in a really big way.
And he's sincerely one of my one of my one
of my best friends, you know, like just as a
just as a person, and I think he's just so
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kind and he's not like the first week that we
were out, we got you know, we did all rehearsals
and we got the first few shows under our belt,
and the whole band is like, okay, guys, let's go.
You know, because my solo band has been with me
for twenty years at that band, so like we're all family,
and we're like, okay, we're all together. Now, let's go out.
Let's get some dinner, let's have some drinks. And call
him up AND'M like, okay, this is we're going to go,
and he's like, I don't know. Daddy's like, I really
want to kill it these next three shows. I'm gonna
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go to the hotel room and get some rest. And
I was like, you're dead to me. By the time
he was born, I just met my wife and it's
my wife is not his, So we met. When I
met my wife, I think I became a person more
suited for that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
Cool, you know, But I'm very honest with him about
especially because he doesn't have any of the compulsion issues
that I have, So you know, I'm not worried about him,
you know, idolizing that part of me, but he just
thinks the stories are very, very funny. Now I am
literally just dad joke guy to him, you know, so
it's like you just he almost can't believe that that
guy ever exist.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I don't think that kind of like male fandom exists
these days, Like it's not cool to like be in
love with a male pop star these days.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
I think there's a reason why, like bands like you know,
if you have my chemical romance and things like that
they seem to do. I think there's something more about
I don't know if it's like maybe the idea of
the fraternal bond of like you know, mates getting together
doing something, and like people wanting to kind of emulate that,
yes kind of relationship, I think more than the individual
kind of adelation over or idolation over one person. Yes particular,
(28:32):
you know, I think Michael Michael Hudgins was like hot, yeah,
you know what I mean, Like if I and there's
if I see you know, Liam Gallagher walking on this jam,
I'm just I'm going to fang.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Right, Okay. Cool.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So for me, I wanted to ask you how it
was being like, well, you know, if you're talking about
what you were just talking about then in terms of
like the compulsion and addiction stuff that was going on
for you. It sounds like you didn't handle it very well,
But I like, I was going to ask you what
that was like being an icon for young men, because
I would I would struggle so hard that you have
to imagine, like it's a time where there's no social media.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
As big as we were getting, we didn't really have
any perspective on like that.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
You know.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
We would just know that we would come to shows
and we saw the shows and they were like the shows.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
We didn't have another metric to compare it to wow,
Like we didn't know how many followers we had versus
how many followers somebody else had.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Did you have a moment where you were like, we're famous, Like,
did you have that?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
There were kind of like little moments along the way.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
My first solo record was twenty years ago, and I
remember playing like live aid in front of a million
people in Philadelphia with Stevie Wonder Wow.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
But then at the same time, I didn't feel that
famous because it was Steve Iavie Wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
I think my I've always been like that level of
fame where like I just judged myself by how many
other famous people I got to know?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Interesting. Another band that was probably on the same parallel
for me was The Strokes. I was just really into them.
What I saw The Strokes in Australia recently, and Julian
Casablancas was just back on the bus and he was
just a.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Bit of a mess, right, yeah, that's I mean, back
on it.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
And then I've ever been sober, and so maybe.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
You know then I mean, I mean we still love
to go out, and we still like to have our
drinks and stuff. I just think, but I've never it's
been a very long time since I've ever let it
get in the way. It's definitely more of a recreational thing,
you yea, you know, once you clock.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Out like a normal person does, as opposed to waking up.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
Like the first time my son was like nineteen, Like
my son used to come out on the road, he
was like ten, it was like as soon as he
was coming out, as like everybody were shutting it down,
put it away, don't show anybody that, you know what.
Then when he was like eighteen, it was kind of like, okay, listen,
just so you know, Dad's not like this all the time,
and even like these shows, these women are like sexualizing
(30:39):
my son from the stage and I'm like, he's a baby.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Stop it. He's twenty seven. By the way, everyone I
know ye're single.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
No, no, it just has a brand new girl friend.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Stay away, guys. I want to ask you.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
About this Bobby movie thing.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
All right on, yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You don't know it.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Ryan Gosling does a version of push in the Bobby movie.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Take I Love It, Take you long?
Speaker 10 (31:10):
You know, in nineteen ninety six, I stunded a lot
more like that than people remember it.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I was gonna ask you so, first question. The Rob
Thomas voice, Like, it's iconic. You can't not sing your
songs at some stage.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
The first couple of records, it was much more Southern
because I was from South Carolina and I had a
really deep Southern accent and it was more slurpy.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah, you know that it became over the years.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, And so do you like is that a do
you do you when you're singing? Are you like all
right time to go full Rob Thomas on this thing?
And when I try not to, I think it just happens. Yeah,
I mean it's iconic, it's your voice. Yeah, I'm not
really sure. I wouldn't know. I'm not a good enough
singer to put something on.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah right, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So the second question I have for you, so apparently
Greta Gwiga is said that she's a Matchbox twenty fan, and.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
That's what when she wrote me to ask about using
the song, and she wrote, you, yeah, I mean, you
have to give permission. And so when she asked, it
was a one sheet really that just said Greta girlwigs
doing a movie. And I was already in because since
like Francis Hall, I've loved every movie. And but then
Margot Robbie, Ryan Goslin, you know, it's just like I
was like, whatever it is, I'm gonna be you know, like,
(32:14):
what's it's It's Ken's favorite song and he's singing it
by a campfire. So I mean, I'm I'm not stupid.
I know exactly where this is gonna come, right, and
there's it's not wrong because in the nineties there was
this feeling of like manufactured angst in a way which
felt very genuine at the time. And so the way
that I relate to that character was a sense that like,
(32:35):
you know, this this guy was not too bright. He
was young's boy, playing young and and and he didn't
know how to use his emotions.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
So he had songs like this that, you know, and
that's how he kind of worked it out.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
And when I was young and not that smart, I
wrote songs like that, you know, and that was how
I kind of worked through my own thing.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And that's why you were poppy La. I mean, that's
as a young boy.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
That's why I loved you guys so much, because as
a young kid, you've got your parents and your teaches
and they're like, you know, you should be like this,
and then you get bands like you and you like,
oh no, I'm like that.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Now, because there's a lot.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Of people that like that were if you were, if
they were so embedded in that first record. And then
have we as we like, we're much less of a
rock band, you know, we're we're very much pop rock band,
and you know, we tried to try to do a
bunch of different kinds of things and sometimes people aren't
having it, yeah, you know, because they were just kind
of there for that part was Yeah, you're like, I
can't I can't be a that. Yeah, I mean, I'm
(33:24):
fifty three years old. You know, I'm rich. I'm fine, Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
So my question for you, Dan is obviously that song
in Bobby is used as like a you know, because
the whole point of the Bobby movie is that men
have it over women and Bobby dolls just.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
It's it's a soundtrack for the patriarchy.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah right, well, put, that's not what that song was about,
though it was it.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
No, not, In fact, it was written about me from
the point of view, you were getting pushed around. I
was in a relationship that I was in and I
was and then this by someone who I maybe I
was and I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
I could have been wrong, but it felt like I
was beingnipulated.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
It felt like, you know, it was probably she probably
just broke up with me, Like it was probably that
was it, of course, but it just turned it around
because I didn't think that at the time, like nobody
wanted to hear a victim song.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Felt like it was a little better if I could,
if I reverse.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
The roles for a man in the nineties to be
talking about getting emotionally manipulated.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, I mean that doesn't exist.
Speaker 10 (34:19):
It's amazing now that I can have song like the
New song Hard to Be Happy, and you just write
songs about mental health and not feeling you know, not
being okay and things like that. I mean, that's it's
it's a win, yeah, and it's definitely a better time.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But you were writing on Well in the nineties, which.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Was you know that I think where I started to
kind of be able to tap into that thing about
me and just realize that vulnerability was really the currency
in music, you know, And I think and that's the
thing that most people are going to really relate to
over time. Like people might like Push because it's going
to remind them of a certain time, but yeah, you know,
twenty years later, people can listen to Unwell because it
reminds them of a moment they're having right there. And
(34:53):
so I, you know, I'm really just been fortunate enough
to be around long enough to be able to kind
of explore all those different kind of themes.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Sorry, the teenage boy in me is just popping off
right now. I actually had some friends over for coffee
before I was telling them that I was interviewing you
this afternoon, and they were, like, a friend of mine
said to me, oh, didn't you used to like you
used to like I used to busk a.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Lot when I was a teenager, all right on.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, And he was like, oh, you know you used
to play like a lot of used to play a
lot of Matchbox twenty and I was like, yeah, I did.
And he said you should ask Rob if he would
sing with you. I literally haven't picked up a guitar
in like fifteen years.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
But what happened? Why did you start because you found
a successful radio?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I brought my guitar.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
What are we doing? Three am?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That was the idea.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Oh really, yeah, it's good you kidding playing it?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I was going to, well, then unless you want to
play it.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Huh no, I want to hear you play. Somebody give
me a dollar. I'm nervous about this.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Don don't you be nervous.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Okay, one American off for one American song.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
So I don't know if I'm going to be able
to concentrate on lyrics and guitar.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I can try. I can try, but are you willing?
Are you willing to sing as well?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Let's do it.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
I can't do it, thank you, because I don't. I
don't want to just sit here and stare at you.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Amika.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
She said, it's cold outside and she hands me marrying cord.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
She's always worried about things like that. She said, it's
all going to end and might as well.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Been my fault.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
She alwas sleeps round it.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And she screams, yeah, voice istrain.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
She says, baby, history.
Speaker 11 (37:06):
I must be lonely, she says, baby, And I can't
help but be scared of it at all sometimes, but
the rain's gonna wash away.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I believe it.
Speaker 12 (37:22):
Nice one dollar, Thank you, Sorry, ro Right, that was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I never thought that Rob Thomas would be giving me money.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
Dude.
Speaker 10 (37:39):
We were in the car googling how to tell the
difference between a beer and a soda when you open
it up?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Shut up, shut up, All right, let's do it. I
love that.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Otherwise it'll feel like wasted time.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
He's got the goggles on what he is out of
the studio. By the way, he's going to go and
off having his baby. Guys, if you're just joining us,
Rob is going to be doing. Can you hear it now?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You should know on this celebrity leaderboard, Joe Jonas has
six oh, so he's at the bottom end of the
celebrity leaderboard. It kind of goes up from there. Now,
if you get zero, you'll be on the same as
Jason Derulo. I'm not sure if you and Jason have
hung out at all. Uh no, five seconds of somewhere
in here. They got nine yesterday.
Speaker 10 (38:26):
Okay, so that's just. If I get one, I'm gonna
feel like a man, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Well, you've been practicing in the car, so you should
get one. He's your first. Can that's a beer, Rob Thomas,
thanks for dropping by. It's been great.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Not a beer. Oh, I was so ready.
Speaker 10 (38:51):
I feel like I knew exactly what a beer was
going to sound like, and that was it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I'm happy to go again, Are you sure? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Because the think is, let me see, I can't again.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
The problem is, you know you can take that and
shove it up your ass.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
I don't want to keep going.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
The thing is, if hearing it on the microphone is
really different to hearing it away from the microphone, you're
getting an intense version right now.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Remember that.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I also do.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
I feel like when I was in the car, I
got a really false, pumped up sense of my ability
to do this.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
I was just I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna
rule it this can one.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
That's a beer.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
That's a beer.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yeah, it was a phoamy thing.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right, Look he really is. You can just leave
your goggles on, you know, man, you don't need to
pop back up for air.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
I just don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
All right, here we go, can't you.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
That's a beer?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Rob Thomas, thanks again for dropping by.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
I always like to point out that I'm a pretty
good songwriter and we could just go with that.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I did.
Speaker 10 (40:06):
I I've never been more upset at a stupid skill
that I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Have one can one better than Jason Derulo. You take it,
I'll do it. It's been great having you in man.
Rob's got a brand new album All Night Days.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Tickets to go and see him still Melbourne, Sydney shows.
Great to have you on the studio, Rob Thomas, O
and Llin Woody, thanks so much, man. Thanks without without
Woody your phone on.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
We need you again. Yeah, and congrats to I.
Speaker 10 (40:36):
Can't believe that just because he's having a baby and
can come say hi to me, But that's fine.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Priorities I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Thanks Rob.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
That's the wheel show. It's happened, guys. The baby the
baby came. Wood, he has flown off to the hospital,
not actually flowing off. We're not that show, and I'm
sure there are ready other radio shows that we taking
a helicopter to the to the hospital. But Wood, he
has gone out of the car park and drove in
his nineteen ninety five Nissen Duals direct.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
To the hospital.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Which yeah, I mean like this is the wheel show now,
so I'm not sure where we go to from here.
I did for a little while discuss talking about the
Quamintang political party in the Republic of China, largely the
origins of If anyone's across that Sun Yat Sen in
eighteen ninety four, moving through to Chang Kai Shek also
(41:29):
known as Yang Xi Shi in the formation of Taiwan.
If it was interested in that, get on the podcast Passionate.
If not, well, who knows, I might be back here
doing that tomorrow. This seems unlikely judging why the producers faces,
but anyway, Goodluckwoods.
The Will M.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Woody podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Woods, I can't recall a moment where this has happened,
But have you ever made a celebrity storm out of
an interview?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Have you storm now? Have you ever angered a celebrity?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Do you do? You want to share that or is
it best not to share that. We've discussed this on
our podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I angered Niall Horan when he was in here because
I was asking him. I asked him about his mum,
his mom had His ex girlfriend had the same name
as your mum.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I didn't know they.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Broke up three He was his ex girlfriend of like
three days. Her name was Melissa Whitelaw. Your mom's name
is Melissa white Law. And I brought that up with
him before we did the conversation because I was like,
heads up, we think this is funny, and he was like,
that's just not funny. Didn't find it funny, won't be
doing that, and that was a really bad interview as
a result.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Okay, great, So you can relate to a woman called
Savannah Guthrie then, who is the co anchor of the
Today Show in a me Erica. Oh yeah, she's effectively
talked about the one question she regrets asking a guest.
Oh and it was Chloe Kardashian. Oh wow, this is
what she said.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I asked Chloe Kardashian like ten seconds before we were
going to break about the rumors that her father wasn't
her father. I was so embarrassed that I felt like
all this pressure I had just started, and I felt
like the producers wanted me to ask this dishy question.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Can't ask someone is your dad actually your dad?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Chloe was very angry. They went to ads. I don't
think she came back after the ads. So is her
dad not her dad? I didn't know the tea on
Christian Age outside her mum is christ Jenna, her dad.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Robert Kardashian, But there are rumors apparently that her dad
may have been O. J.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Simpson.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Oh that's right, that's right. I forgot about whoa yeah
christ Jenna? So she, by the way, I always one
of the very confusing its Christopher k Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah? Also, who what about Caitlin? Thank you? So Caitlin
is not any of their fathers? Bruce, Jenna was Kylie
or is Kylie? And Kendall's fun Sorry, but.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
She's Chloe Kardashian not Chloe Jenna. Yes, hence Bruce was
not her father.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yes, I think I think we've made the family, know
what I mean against confus.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
The likes most one of the most spoken about families
in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
If you are fresh to that discussion, it's a pretty
big blended. It is a landmine totally. But I think
there's a lot going on. I think we've covered it,
and then you just throwing the juice as well.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Doesn't know who the juice is probably famous for the
most famous court case ever in American history.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, and he might be and Kardashian's dad.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, So we don't think that.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
We've never said that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
We have never said that. People have said it repeating.
Speaker 8 (02:56):
She's a lot taller, She's quite like in comparison to
the other.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
The juice is huge. God could he play football anyway?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What I want to talk to you about though off,
this is the one thing I think when we go
into celebrity interviews that we don't want to do is
anger the celebrity too true, right, That's that's probably the
one rule we go into all interviews with. We're going
to go to a song up next. I'm just going
to bring up celebrities with you, and I want you
to do the opposite. I want you to think on
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the spot of the question that you think would make
them storm out of the interview. Okay, Tom Cruise, what's
the question that makes him storm out?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Why did Katie Holmes and your daughter hide from you? WHOA, yep?
I think he's easy? Yeah, okay, I know the controversial ground. No,
I grab it.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I'm like a moth to a flame with this stuff. Mate, Madonna,
why is the un so worried about.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I have just realized this is right on the line
and the bit that I thought this was a fun bit,
but I was like, wow, this is just gonna after
land Mine.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But here we go Madonna.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
The problem is, I think Madonna's like, like, I just
think she's kind of a bit above this, Like she'd
be easy to get to walk out.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
She just doesn't do interviews.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You know, we've locked in time, We've got five minutes
with how do you make a storm out?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The first question?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Are you sad that Beyonce is a better live show
than you?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Good, that's that's good.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Okay, she'd hate that, or because we know she hates Gaga,
so he could be.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Does it suck that Lady Gargo has a way better voice.
She'd hate that. Elton John, How you believe Madonna's still
a better somewhereriter? In my view though?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Carry on, Elton John, Elton John, Oh, my god's because
he's famous for just being the absolute PREMI ma Donna, So.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He'd be pretty easy, I reckon. Do you think it
would have sold more records if you were taller? Oh?
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Go for his heart? Really sure? I love that, and
he'd probably never get well, no ties around him. How
does it feel in the size of a twelve year
old boy? Love that struggle getting into over eighteen clubs
being that high? Really, it would never have gone on
a roller coaster ride.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
How much of a hack do you have to be
by just remixing current pop stars songs?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh? That that gets him in there? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Like, if you doesn't suck that, you don't make any
of your records and you just get Britney Spears and
Jewelie for to redo yours.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, so you couple that with the height gear. Yep,
that's a good combat one too. Yeah, that's a good
one too. Okay, No, I think we're making it very
clear you'd never ask these questions. I am challenging you
to bring up the thing that would make them storm.
MAT's totally different thing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, Russell Crowe, Oh umm.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Again, so many hang on, let me just ever think
about it. I'm not that many.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Um oh yeah, well, I've got to be careful here.
I don't know, because I mean, there's no chance that
Elton and Madonna and who is the other one?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
They're not hearing this rusty Tom cruise. I've interviewed Russell before.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
He's love.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Do you want to skip? I'm going to give you
one skip, allowing it. I'm allowing it.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
I go down with you.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean the rabbit, o sucker, the nice. It's good,
plain fun, good, plain fun. Let's end it there.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Actually, let's get on top. This is pretty hard to conceive.
Jess and Miriam road eight thousand miles across the Pacific Ocean.
It's almost fifteen it seems like ten hours and one
hundred and sixty five days, starting in Peru and finishing
in cans and.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They join us right now, safe and sound, on willing.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
Hey guys, hello, thanks for having us on.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Of course, now this is probably a pretty immature question.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
There's so many questions we could ask you, but I
do want to ask you first and foremost, toilet while
you're on the boat.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
What was that mirror? Bucket?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Bucket and jack here?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But bucket, bucket and chuck it?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So because what I was, what I was envisioning, is
the thing he used to do when you were like
a kid and you just kind of like dangle half
your body over the boat and let it go.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But it wasn't that.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
No, you'd end up getting just like a kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Very good, Okay, cool, And a question there for I
guess a question for how close you guys are shared
bucket or different bucket?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, we had the.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
Same bucket, but we'd always clean it. So yeah, actually
the most comfortable seat on the boats.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Guys. What what does the day look like? Because I
was I was talking one of the producers before, I was.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Like, are they are you anchoring at night? Like because
you're in the middle of the Pacific.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Like how are you? How are you? How are you
doing this?
Speaker 9 (07:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
What what does the day look like? Is one of
you always rowing? I mean runs through.
Speaker 9 (07:50):
We're rowing day and night. We've got to keep the
boat moving. As much as possible.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
No anchoring.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
No, there's a sea anchor, a parachute anchor in case
the wind was in the wrong direction or something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But in the.
Speaker 9 (08:01):
Beginning, our routine was two hours on, two hours off,
with we do an extra voutry hour during the day
whenever we felt we had the energy, and then towards
the end we were basically just rowing all day, and
then from six pm to ten am we do the
two hours on, two hours off, and those off bits
we could sleep, but you never get the four two
hours off because by the time you got into the
cabin and you maybe had a bit of a wash
(08:23):
or sorted out some admins or ran home. So we
probably averaged about four to six hours sleep for the crossing.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh sorry, you were going down there and doing emails.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, well, we like cleaning yourself. Yeah sorry, I thought
you were like, well, better pay the bills returns Like.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, why why why? I keep going back to that,
Why why are you doing this? This is insane?
Speaker 8 (08:52):
Yeah, I mean we so we both met when we
were rowing across the Atlantic Ocean in twenty twenty two.
So there's a there's a race called the Tellus Whiskey
Atlantic Challenge. It's been renamed the World's toughest row and
it's a three thousand miles rowing race from Lagomera in
the Canary Islands to Antigua in the Caribbean and mint
growing solo. And I was wearing as a team of
four and we were in Antigua celebrating and pretty much
(09:16):
a week after, you know, we've both been on land together,
we decided let's try and top this. We absolutely loved
our time out there and so decided let's try and
take on the biggest ocean.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Wow, bloody hell. What was the hardest thing about being
on the bike? What was what was the bit was difficult?
Speaker 9 (09:33):
I think probably the sleep deprivation we did pass There
was some days you'd have good days and bad days,
and then some days where you're just passing out on
the oars like just hit back, you'll be fine, You'll
be rowing and you can sleep rope for a little
bit and then you'll just sort of goom and then
I mean one day I opened the cabin door and
Jessman I just fell asleep, eat my snacks and she
(09:54):
was like just cut.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
Around and also like you try and snacks to keep
you awake, And I was like, how ear has this happened?
Speaker 9 (10:02):
This is wilds?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So what about like injuries?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Like I occasionally will jump on the rowing machine at
the gym and bang out a kilometer. Sometimes I get
blisters on my hands, so I try to actually steer
clear of it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
How are the hands?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Hands were good?
Speaker 8 (10:19):
To be honest, I mean we did so much rowing
on the on the rowing machine prior and also did
a lot of training in our boat that our hands
were pretty tough before starting, so we didn't really suffer
from blisters our hands up. Yeah, just I've turned into
our feet almost feet are really solid for not walking anywhere,
and our hands are really really tough.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Need to go to get some manicures.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So what was so physically then?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
What was the hardest part about rowing just so much
and rowing across the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's a tricky one. It's very mental. Our boat is.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Like, because it's such a big boat for this trip
and to get everything in there. It can be rowed
by up to four people, so it's a really heavy boat.
So it was actually really hard when there was no
wind and no waves and everybody thinks you want calm
weather but it doesn't help you go forward at all.
And as we got closer to this side, the ozone
layer was getting thinner, so the heat went on those
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calm days when there was no wind to just cool
you down.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
This food part of it. So you you five thousand
calories a day?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is that age?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Yeah, so we were trying to consume that many, but
we weren't really ever able to because we just really
didated food.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
It's just so, was there a support boat at any
stages they're both following you along here or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You took all your.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Food for six months and you've both got to eat
five thousand calories a day.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, so that's all. Wow, what is that just powdered milk?
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Well, it's actually meals like curries and like pastavalonnaise and
anything you can think of really, and you just add
water and there's no texture to it whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's just mush.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You taking all your water on there? Does that work?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Well?
Speaker 9 (12:01):
We have a desalinator, a water mall okay, the seawater,
but we had a problem with that, so that was.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
As well.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You never had one of those big rills moments on
the boat.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you know who Big Grills is and what he's famous.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, you never had a moment like that with the
bucket d Yes, perfectly. I am asking you if you
ever drank your own urine in desperation?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh no, that point okay, okay, that's good. Good to confirm,
Good to confirm.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So let's talk then about the first meal when you
get back on land, and then what's the first meal?
Speaker 8 (12:39):
So we had we had pizzas and beer when we Yeah,
as our first meal. We already put our orders in
for for pizzas a week before we arrived.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So good, and that is that thing you're missing most,
just like good quality food?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is that what you're missing?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (12:53):
I mean we would spend most of our day talking
about food. So in the beginning we were really craving. Yeah,
and then as we got across it, it was just pizza.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But we would just get so obsessed with food.
Speaker 9 (13:04):
We would just ask each other these stupid questions all day,
like what's your favorite pasta shape?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And what's your favorite pudding?
Speaker 9 (13:10):
And oh god, and then we start messaging around all
our support team to find out like what their favorite
cake was.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Answers and we're.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
Just annoying everybody with all these stupid food questions and
he was entertained for hours.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It sounds like a riot.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
And you guys, I also heard before you got on them,
before we got into the pizza NBA. So you've been
rowing for six months on the Pacific, So what were
the first steps on land?
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Like quite webbly And yeah, we could not believe how
many people were at the finish. Our story has sort
of been shared really wide by lost in Here, one
of our partners, and they've really spread the message out
and we had so many people at the finish line.
It was just it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Cool, awesome. What about slap? Was slap weird? Back in
a bed?
Speaker 9 (13:55):
Yeah, So we we both have been up to like
three in the morning the last couple of nights because
we've been so wide and just wide awake, maybe because
we're not exhausting ourselves all day so bit it's hard
now it's I think it's going to catch up on
us and were crash soon. But yeah, got a lot
of adrenaline, still quite wired from it all and the
finished Do you.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Ever wake up thinking you're still on the boat?
Speaker 9 (14:16):
Not yet, Yeah, I think that'll come. We did just
have some like really random boat dreams. I used to
get really disorientated and I would be asleep and I
would dream about something that was happening on the boat.
So when I woke up, I would think it was
time to go back to sleep again, and then realize
I'd have to.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Get up and do another two hours.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Rowing, Oh, I can't, I just I just I don't
get these guys.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't get it at all. I'm impressed. I'm then
so can I ask?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Was there ever a moment where you feared for your
lives where you were like, you know, this is well
enough now, like this is this is not is not
the fun that we thought it would be.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
We definitely didn't have any moments where we were scared,
but we've had a lot of moments where we were
really frustrated just because of the amount of things that
went wrong run. It broke me out to restart. We
had parishes throughout, so we're pretty much dead ship. We
also the water maker pipes burst nine times, and then
the emergent emergency water maker filter also fell off, and
(15:13):
Mims prepaired that with a pair of knickers.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
A lot of problem solving throughout were.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
We argued, did you argue at any point.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, no, no, there's nothing to argue about.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
We were just not when you're talking about your favorite cake.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I suppose aout that the only chat. Well, guys, it's
seriously impressive. Congratulations from both of us is just one
of the best things that I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I just can't believe you did it. You're done with
rowing there? Or what's next?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh no, we'd love to do it again. To be fair,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Get out more. Go do something fun in Ken's something fun.
I don't know. Just stand at the beach, just chill
just for a second. Life's being good.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, were very good at out.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm getting that sense. All the guys have been loving.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
To meet you, Jess and Miriam, fresh off rowing across
the Pacific Ocean, and there's just an extraordinary sentence from Peru
to Cans in five point four months, one hundred and
sixty five days. Guys, congratulations again, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Joining some of.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Been watching a lot of like crime TV shows and
crime movies. It's just it's a go to I love
crime thrillers, and I'm finding in every single what.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Are you watching at the moment, Well, it's actually a
book that I'm reading.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's a crime book, which I'm not gonna I don't
know what it's called because I get it on the kindle,
because I buy it on the kindle and then you
never see the cover anymore, so I never know the
name of the book.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, but anyway, it's a woman.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
She's been found, she's been killed, right, and they're now
questioning a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Of people who could be suspects. But who killed this woman?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now, in all these crime shows, movies, or books, there's
a moment where the police are interrogating someone or talking
to someone and then the person this line always comes
up and they say.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Should I should I call a lawyer? Yeah? And that
is always a moment where you go.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Ah, you look guilty now because you've mentioned and the
police want you to feel.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That way, yes.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Or the other way that it goes is the cops go,
we recommend you get an attorney.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
We're about to go on.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You can go from just so you know we're taking
you very seriously. Recommend you get a lawyer. It's their
way of saying, like you're a suspect.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
So that's when you know you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Without saying I want to focus on the other side,
which is when you feel the need to bring it up, right,
because I think whenever you've been interrogated, and I've never
been interrogated, but when you're in the interrogation room.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
All you're trying to do is not look guilty.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yes, right, And I don't even know how you're supposed
to play that from the books and stuff. It's just
don't get emotional, don't get defensive, and just answer their questions,
don't give too much detail.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Well no, no, no, that's in my head because whenever.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You're watching one of these TV shows, you're like, how
would I ask answer that question?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think there's so many.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I feel like you just feel my evidence lecture just
like yelling at the moment so much that you've missed
uh yeah sure. I think the point is there are
certain questions that you actually don't have to answer.
Speaker 8 (18:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, But that's why it's nice to have a lawyer
with you to tell you which questions you don't have
to answer.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Okay, that, but let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We all know that when you're watching these TV shows, yea,
and the person says, should I call my lawyer?
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's like a win for the police because they go like,
now you look dodgy, Now you look guilty.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So my question was also find it funny that they
always have a lawyer. Oh yeah, and they're like, should
I have a lawyer? I call my lawyer.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I'm like, well, you've already got a lawyer, dude, you're
already looking pretty dodged. Like how many times are you
calling your lawyer in to get you out of this
sort of stuff? Right if you've got them on speak
let me just figure out if there is anyone who
could actually come down right now.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And then it was like the next scene, they're like, oh,
here I am with my lawyer.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, and they're always like they're quite cordially with their lawyer, like,
oh good to see.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
How are the kids. Yeah, it's like how often.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Like if they're a gangster, I get it, Like you
obviously need some sort of yere you know, swindling style
lawyer who's always thetting value out of tough situations. But yeah, yeah,
I agree, Sure, I agree. It's a red flag for
me if they've got a lawyer, red flag.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Okay, okay, okay, But if you're trying to not look, Dodgy, yep,
when should you bring up or when should.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You involve the lawyer?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Because it's just a hard thing to bring up, right,
because if you if you come if if a police
say to you, how do you want to ask you
a couple of questions, and you come down with a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, Dodgy, No, I'm watching that TV show, Go guilty,
Why did you bring a lawyer? They just wanted to
ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But also on the other side, if you come in
alone and then you're answering questions and then four questions in,
you go, oh should I call my lawyer?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that looks worse. Yeah, I agree, So I
agree you're a trained lawy. I'm not a trained came
that more. Yeah, that's trained lawyer. No, it's not carry
on trained you know the law? Yeah, all right, Like
IL study this stuff for like a year.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So if I ever find myself in that situation where
I'm being interrogated and by the way, I'm not guilty
because I'm a good boy, when am I involving my lawyer?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
When's the best time for me to involve my lawyer?
Do you not have you done it?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
No? From the start, but I would fold. But you know,
like I'm not good in an interrogation room. I can
only imagine that i'd get sweaty in there.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Do you know? Do you know anything about it? Why
are you getting question?
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Then?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I don't know. That's what is the situation.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I mean is I didn't think I should even be
coming down to the police station to be questioned.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Sure, is there a chance that you might know something
and not know that? You know? That's something that is
classic meing. So yeah, maybe from the start, but of dodgy. No,
it's not with a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Uh No, like I because I think if you say
halfway through I need a lawyer, that's when you go,
I'm hiding something. Oh I don't know how to like
work my way out of this. Yeah, because you've got
nothing to hide. But I just think that like people
who are generally as incapable of you and as you,
and who also can really put their foot in it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like you might end up in jail
if you don't have a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's my biggest fear, end up in jail for a
CRIMEA did and convicted woods I had to pick up
at daycare. The other day picking up my daughter Remy,
and as I was walking into the outdoor area to
go and find Remy, just one of the kids. I
(21:51):
don't know if this was an intentional barb, but just
just just like I wasn't wearing shoes and she just
pointed at my feet just goes, why have you got
no shoes on? And I was like, I'm just I
just I just didn't want to put schoos on today,
and she just goes, can you not afford shoes?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I was like, oh, wow, wack, that's kind of that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
That's hit.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's hit. I'm embarrassed that that's hit.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
But the two year old's hit me there and just
got me thinking, like if you like there is some
school gyard insults that still hit.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Oh yeah, And like.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I've just written the couple down here just like I
reckon if anyone if an adult said this to aford
shoes is strong, yeah you can you don't afford them?
And delivered it well, that was genuinely curious, like can
you not afford shoes? I can, I bloody can afford it.
And I felt like defensive about it. I was like
I wanted to prove it to them. I wanted to
take them to the shops and buy them a pair
of Clarks or something. Anyway, here's another one that it
(22:45):
would still if an adult said this, it would still
get me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You're not invited to my birthday.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Party, just like if someone just straight up said to you,
you're not invited to my birthday party.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Or hit that that hits, that hits. That's a lot. Okay,
here's another one.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I mean, this is definitely there's a bit of immature,
but again, this would this would get me if this
came up at a dinner if someone said to me,
when you take a Wii, you pull your bents down
to the ankles and m hmmm, that would that would
definitely that would definitely between that would one hurt me.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know about it as well, because you you know,
all of a sudden well there's also truth to it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I think the thing with all these insults.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Sorry, I've just got a text message and I'm going
to go, oh by the drop zone.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Drop It's not desperate, It's okay. I was going to
do the drop zone desperately like a machine.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So so MIM's got she's she's going in, she's what
the water's broken.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
So she came no, no, no, no, what has haven't broken?
But like she'd be messaging me saying like, belly's got
even lower, my boobs are leaky, which is obviously like,
but she thinks she might be going into the labor
so I'm probably gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Have to go Jesus. All right, mate, Well, okay, see
you mate? What do we What do I do? Will
show we don't.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Have to go now, get out of it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Enjoy my double get the get the que cards out,
double dad, I see your brother.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I mean, thank God saved us for some awful gear.
Tell you what primary school insults?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Oh god? Uh so? Yeah, all right, well sorry, and
I'm just trying to clicking around here. What am I doing? Now?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
We'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
We'll figure it out it out. Okay, all right, Rob
Thomas gonna be in the studio. Guess don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You're you're joining us. I mean to be honest.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
At a very strange time, if you were listening just before,
you would have heard Woody literally run out.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Of the studio.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
He's going to go and have a baby. Guys, So
that that happened, which probably.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
His wife's having the baby.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
But still I would it's a big deal and amazingly.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I mean, we had a bunch of people on speed
dial to fill in for him, but Rob Thomas picked
up the phone first and he's in the studio now
co hosting.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
I appreciate I have a lot of free time and
I'm happy to be I'm happy to be anywhere nice
that you could come on in. I mean all the
way down janitorial like, whatever you need, I'm here. All right,
you're Johnny on the spot.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'll let them know. I' let him know. There actually
is a bit of cleaning that out here.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You're touring Australia at the moment. Just did Perth.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
We did Perth Adelaide and one night in Melbourne brand
new record it's called All Night Days, which is out now.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
We were just saying off air that your son is
it Mason Mason, so he's playing in your band with
you is twenty seven years old.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Twenty seven.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
He played a full tour in the States and this
is his second tour.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Here probably, so I'm interested.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm going to weave this through so because what he's
not here, I can ask complicated questions. So so when
I was a teenager, like I was a like an
enormous matchbox t it's nice, like enormous, like I really
and all what's all we listened to?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Really just very cool man.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm actually very nervous talking to you. I don't normally
get me.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You should be I have a very big deal.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I don't normally get nervous talking to people.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But I was very nervous about you coming in and
the fact that you had a boy and being a
I don't know, I just I suppose being a role
model to a son. And I look back on like,
you know, who you were probably when you had him,
which is I mean, I was a lastly different person.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
I was a mess for a lot of it.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
I mean, I think you know that's why there's something
really kind of great about the idea that this job
that was the thing that kept me away from him
for a lot of times, you know, more than I
wanted to, because you're traveling, you're out trying to hustle
and you do anything. Is now the thing that's kind
of brought us back together in a really big way.
And he's sincerely one of my one of my one
of my best friends, you know, like just as a
just as a person, and I think he's just so
(27:02):
kind and he's not like the first week that we
were out, we got you know, we did all rehearsals
and we got the first few shows under our belt,
and the whole band is like, okay, guys, let's go.
You know, because my solo band has been with me
for twenty years at that band, so like we're all family,
and we're like, okay, we're all together. Now, let's go out.
Let's get some dinner, let's have some drinks. And call
him up AND'M like, okay, this is we're going to go,
and he's like, I don't know. Daddy's like, I really
want to kill it these next three shows. I'm gonna
(27:23):
go to the hotel room and get some rest. And
I was like, you're dead to me. By the time
he was born, I just met my wife and it's
my wife is not his, So we met. When I
met my wife, I think I became a person more
suited for that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (27:40):
Cool, you know, But I'm very honest with him about
especially because he doesn't have any of the compulsion issues
that I have, So you know, I'm not worried about him,
you know, idolizing that part of me, but he just
thinks the stories are very, very funny. Now I am
literally just dad joke guy to him, you know, so
it's like you just he almost can't believe that that
guy ever exist.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I don't think that kind of like male fandom exists
these days, Like it's not cool to like be in
love with a male pop star these days.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
I think there's a reason why, like bands like you know,
if you have my chemical romance and things like that
they seem to do. I think there's something more about
I don't know if it's like maybe the idea of
the fraternal bond of like you know, mates getting together
doing something, and like people wanting to kind of emulate that,
yes kind of relationship, I think more than the individual
kind of adelation over or idolation over one person. Yes particular,
(28:32):
you know, I think Michael Michael Hudgins was like hot, yeah,
you know what I mean, Like if I and there's
if I see you know, Liam Gallagher walking on this jam,
I'm just I'm going to fang.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Right, Okay. Cool.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So for me, I wanted to ask you how it
was being like, well, you know, if you're talking about
what you were just talking about then in terms of
like the compulsion and addiction stuff that was going on
for you. It sounds like you didn't handle it very well,
But I like, I was going to ask you what
that was like being an icon for young men, because
I would I would struggle so hard that you have
to imagine, like it's a time where there's no social media.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
As big as we were getting, we didn't really have
any perspective on like that.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
You know.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
We would just know that we would come to shows
and we saw the shows and they were like the shows.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
We didn't have another metric to compare it to wow,
Like we didn't know how many followers we had versus
how many followers somebody else had.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Did you have a moment where you were like, we're famous, Like,
did you have that?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
There were kind of like little moments along the way.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
My first solo record was twenty years ago, and I
remember playing like live aid in front of a million
people in Philadelphia with Stevie Wonder Wow.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
But then at the same time, I didn't feel that
famous because it was Steve Iavie Wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
I think my I've always been like that level of
fame where like I just judged myself by how many
other famous people I got to know?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Interesting. Another band that was probably on the same parallel
for me was The Strokes. I was just really into them.
What I saw The Strokes in Australia recently, and Julian
Casablancas was just back on the bus and he was
just a.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Bit of a mess, right, yeah, that's I mean, back
on it.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
And then I've ever been sober, and so maybe.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
You know then I mean, I mean we still love
to go out, and we still like to have our
drinks and stuff. I just think, but I've never it's
been a very long time since I've ever let it
get in the way. It's definitely more of a recreational thing,
you yea, you know, once you clock.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Out like a normal person does, as opposed to waking up.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
Like the first time my son was like nineteen, Like
my son used to come out on the road, he
was like ten, it was like as soon as he
was coming out, as like everybody were shutting it down,
put it away, don't show anybody that, you know what.
Then when he was like eighteen, it was kind of like, okay, listen,
just so you know, Dad's not like this all the time,
and even like these shows, these women are like sexualizing
(30:39):
my son from the stage and I'm like, he's a baby.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Stop it. He's twenty seven. By the way, everyone I
know ye're single.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
No, no, it just has a brand new girl friend.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Stay away, guys. I want to ask you.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
About this Bobby movie thing.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
All right on, yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You don't know it.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Ryan Gosling does a version of push in the Bobby movie.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Take I Love It, Take you long?
Speaker 10 (31:10):
You know, in nineteen ninety six, I stunded a lot
more like that than people remember it.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I was gonna ask you so, first question. The Rob
Thomas voice, Like, it's iconic. You can't not sing your
songs at some stage.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
The first couple of records, it was much more Southern
because I was from South Carolina and I had a
really deep Southern accent and it was more slurpy.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah, you know that it became over the years.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, And so do you like is that a do
you do you when you're singing? Are you like all
right time to go full Rob Thomas on this thing?
And when I try not to, I think it just happens. Yeah,
I mean it's iconic, it's your voice. Yeah, I'm not
really sure. I wouldn't know. I'm not a good enough
singer to put something on.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah right, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So the second question I have for you, so apparently
Greta Gwiga is said that she's a Matchbox twenty fan, and.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
That's what when she wrote me to ask about using
the song, and she wrote, you, yeah, I mean, you
have to give permission. And so when she asked, it
was a one sheet really that just said Greta girlwigs
doing a movie. And I was already in because since
like Francis Hall, I've loved every movie. And but then
Margot Robbie, Ryan Goslin, you know, it's just like I
was like, whatever it is, I'm gonna be you know, like,
(32:14):
what's it's It's Ken's favorite song and he's singing it
by a campfire. So I mean, I'm I'm not stupid.
I know exactly where this is gonna come, right, and
there's it's not wrong because in the nineties there was
this feeling of like manufactured angst in a way which
felt very genuine at the time. And so the way
that I relate to that character was a sense that like,
(32:35):
you know, this this guy was not too bright. He
was young's boy, playing young and and and he didn't
know how to use his emotions.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
So he had songs like this that, you know, and
that's how he kind of worked it out.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
And when I was young and not that smart, I
wrote songs like that, you know, and that was how
I kind of worked through my own thing.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And that's why you were poppy La. I mean, that's
as a young boy.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
That's why I loved you guys so much, because as
a young kid, you've got your parents and your teaches
and they're like, you know, you should be like this,
and then you get bands like you and you like,
oh no, I'm like that.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Now, because there's a lot.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Of people that like that were if you were, if
they were so embedded in that first record. And then
have we as we like, we're much less of a
rock band, you know, we're we're very much pop rock band,
and you know, we tried to try to do a
bunch of different kinds of things and sometimes people aren't
having it, yeah, you know, because they were just kind
of there for that part was Yeah, you're like, I
can't I can't be a that. Yeah, I mean, I'm
(33:24):
fifty three years old. You know, I'm rich. I'm fine, Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
So my question for you, Dan is obviously that song
in Bobby is used as like a you know, because
the whole point of the Bobby movie is that men
have it over women and Bobby dolls just.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
It's it's a soundtrack for the patriarchy.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah right, well, put, that's not what that song was about,
though it was it.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
No, not, In fact, it was written about me from
the point of view, you were getting pushed around. I
was in a relationship that I was in and I
was and then this by someone who I maybe I
was and I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
I could have been wrong, but it felt like I
was beingnipulated.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
It felt like, you know, it was probably she probably
just broke up with me, Like it was probably that
was it, of course, but it just turned it around
because I didn't think that at the time, like nobody
wanted to hear a victim song.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Felt like it was a little better if I could,
if I reverse.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
The roles for a man in the nineties to be
talking about getting emotionally manipulated.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, I mean that doesn't exist.
Speaker 10 (34:19):
It's amazing now that I can have song like the
New song Hard to Be Happy, and you just write
songs about mental health and not feeling you know, not
being okay and things like that. I mean, that's it's
it's a win, yeah, and it's definitely a better time.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But you were writing on Well in the nineties, which.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Was you know that I think where I started to
kind of be able to tap into that thing about
me and just realize that vulnerability was really the currency
in music, you know, And I think and that's the
thing that most people are going to really relate to
over time. Like people might like Push because it's going
to remind them of a certain time, but yeah, you know,
twenty years later, people can listen to Unwell because it
reminds them of a moment they're having right there. And
(34:53):
so I, you know, I'm really just been fortunate enough
to be around long enough to be able to kind
of explore all those different kind of themes.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Sorry, the teenage boy in me is just popping off
right now. I actually had some friends over for coffee
before I was telling them that I was interviewing you
this afternoon, and they were, like, a friend of mine
said to me, oh, didn't you used to like you
used to like I used to busk a.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Lot when I was a teenager, all right on.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, And he was like, oh, you know you used
to play like a lot of used to play a
lot of Matchbox twenty and I was like, yeah, I did.
And he said you should ask Rob if he would
sing with you. I literally haven't picked up a guitar
in like fifteen years.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
But what happened? Why did you start because you found
a successful radio?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I brought my guitar.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
What are we doing? Three am?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That was the idea.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Oh really, yeah, it's good you kidding playing it?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I was going to, well, then unless you want to
play it.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Huh no, I want to hear you play. Somebody give
me a dollar. I'm nervous about this.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Don don't you be nervous.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Okay, one American off for one American song.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
So I don't know if I'm going to be able
to concentrate on lyrics and guitar.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I can try. I can try, but are you willing?
Are you willing to sing as well?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Let's do it.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
I can't do it, thank you, because I don't. I
don't want to just sit here and stare at you.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Amika.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
She said, it's cold outside and she hands me marrying cord.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
She's always worried about things like that. She said, it's
all going to end and might as well.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Been my fault.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
She alwas sleeps round it.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And she screams, yeah, voice istrain.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
She says, baby, history.
Speaker 11 (37:06):
I must be lonely, she says, baby, And I can't
help but be scared of it at all sometimes, but
the rain's gonna wash away.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I believe it.
Speaker 12 (37:22):
Nice one dollar, Thank you, Sorry, ro Right, that was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I never thought that Rob Thomas would be giving me money.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
Dude.
Speaker 10 (37:39):
We were in the car googling how to tell the
difference between a beer and a soda when you open
it up?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Shut up, shut up, All right, let's do it. I
love that.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
Otherwise it'll feel like wasted time.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
He's got the goggles on what he is out of
the studio. By the way, he's going to go and
off having his baby. Guys, if you're just joining us,
Rob is going to be doing. Can you hear it now?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You should know on this celebrity leaderboard, Joe Jonas has
six oh, so he's at the bottom end of the
celebrity leaderboard. It kind of goes up from there. Now,
if you get zero, you'll be on the same as
Jason Derulo. I'm not sure if you and Jason have
hung out at all. Uh no, five seconds of somewhere
in here. They got nine yesterday.
Speaker 10 (38:26):
Okay, so that's just. If I get one, I'm gonna
feel like a man, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Well, you've been practicing in the car, so you should
get one. He's your first. Can that's a beer, Rob Thomas,
thanks for dropping by. It's been great.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Not a beer. Oh, I was so ready.
Speaker 10 (38:51):
I feel like I knew exactly what a beer was
going to sound like, and that was it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I'm happy to go again, Are you sure? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Because the think is, let me see, I can't again.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
The problem is, you know you can take that and
shove it up your ass.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
I don't want to keep going.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
The thing is, if hearing it on the microphone is
really different to hearing it away from the microphone, you're
getting an intense version right now.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Remember that.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I also do.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
I feel like when I was in the car, I
got a really false, pumped up sense of my ability
to do this.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
I was just I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna
rule it this can one.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
That's a beer.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
That's a beer.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yeah, it was a phoamy thing.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right, Look he really is. You can just leave
your goggles on, you know, man, you don't need to
pop back up for air.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
I just don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
All right, here we go, can't you.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
That's a beer?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Rob Thomas, thanks again for dropping by.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
I always like to point out that I'm a pretty
good songwriter and we could just go with that.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I did.
Speaker 10 (40:06):
I I've never been more upset at a stupid skill
that I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Have one can one better than Jason Derulo. You take it,
I'll do it. It's been great having you in man.
Rob's got a brand new album All Night Days.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Tickets to go and see him still Melbourne, Sydney shows.
Great to have you on the studio, Rob Thomas, O
and Llin Woody, thanks so much, man. Thanks without without
Woody your phone on.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
We need you again. Yeah, and congrats to I.
Speaker 10 (40:36):
Can't believe that just because he's having a baby and
can come say hi to me, But that's fine.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Priorities I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Thanks Rob.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
That's the wheel show. It's happened, guys. The baby the
baby came. Wood, he has flown off to the hospital,
not actually flowing off. We're not that show, and I'm
sure there are ready other radio shows that we taking
a helicopter to the to the hospital. But Wood, he
has gone out of the car park and drove in
his nineteen ninety five Nissen Duals direct.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
To the hospital.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Which yeah, I mean like this is the wheel show now,
so I'm not sure where we go to from here.
I did for a little while discuss talking about the
Quamintang political party in the Republic of China, largely the
origins of If anyone's across that Sun Yat Sen in
eighteen ninety four, moving through to Chang Kai Shek also
(41:29):
known as Yang Xi Shi in the formation of Taiwan.
If it was interested in that, get on the podcast Passionate.
If not, well, who knows, I might be back here
doing that tomorrow. This seems unlikely judging why the producers faces,
but anyway, Goodluckwoods.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies!
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!