March 25, 2025 • 39 mins
- 30 year old cat has managed to stay alive drinking one thing
- Trump accidentally texted war plans in a group chat
- What was the interruption, and did you keep going?
- How AI is affecting the music industry
- Battle of the Gens
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The Will and Woody podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Will the World's Oldest cat has just turned thirty.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What's the cat?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
And I don't know how old my thirty thirty years old?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
As the thing with birds, the bigger the bird, the
older the bird. Is that the same with cats.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
This cat looks moderate size, so it doesn't look like it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But fish as well, the bigger the fish.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Yeah, And apparently with fish they will just keep growing
based on their environment. So a fish won't get bigger
in a fish bowl, but if you put it in
a lake, it'll get bigger.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
That might just be coyfish, now.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
That I'm saying, no, no, no, that's a fish thing all fish.
So why aren't the fish in the bigger fish, the
bigger fish, the older the fish.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Why aren't they fish in the ocean?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Like now, have you seen those photos of tuna They
catch the size of a car.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Yeah, big tuna. Anyway, we're getting distracted. Let's let's talk
about this cat. Yeah, now, this cat turning thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Whish there was the same to the humans. By the way,
the bigger the human be gr see him from a
mile out.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Bloody, yeah, yeah, And it's just there'd be one good
thing about getting really old, you know what I mean,
Look at the size of me.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Anyway, exactly, cat cat asks me to get something from
the top film, I can do it.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Four cat cat back on.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
So this story just angers me so much because it's
pushed a button with me. No, I don't hate all cats,
that's outrageous, but I have a I have a tricky
relationship with the cat in my household.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
His name is Lenny. And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Apparently this guy who owns the oldest cat gives this
cat only bottled water. And the reason that makes me
angry and the reason that has has has pressed it
for me.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
No, we're not doing that.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
But what I can tell you is that I think
my wife treats the cat Lenny, better than me.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
And it really really angers and trying not to swear.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Really like it's got to a stage where if I
if I go into the bedroom and mim is cuddling
with Lenny, the cat, I obviously if I come into
the bedroom, what do I want?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
What do I want when I walk into the bedroom?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Get changed?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well after that?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Do you do you do you want to cuddle?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I do, But are you communicating that or are you
just hoping for someone to throw around.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I walk in there and go, oh, the cuddle train's here,
you know, something like that. It's something cute, and I.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Might hop onto, I hop onto the hop onto the
bed and she goes, why are easy?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Easy?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Easy?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You're gonna scare the cat off?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And I'm like, you're you're choosing cuddles with the cat
over cuddles with the with the train right now, the
cuddle train, and she goes, yes, I am gets worse
if the cat happens to position itself on my side
of the bed before I've got there and looks comfortable.
Nim Will genuinely say to me, oh, don't disturb the cat.
You might have to sleep in another bed tonight.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Straight up.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Wow, she said to her husband, to her betrothed, to
the love of her life. I'm fed up Will with
the fact that she is treating the cat better than me.
And I'm thirteen one, I was six or five right now.
I want to know if there's more people like me
that are frustrated on the home front. Is your partner
treating the pet better than you?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Wow? Can I do do a week?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I feel weak, I feel unloved masculately, I feel emasculated,
I feel unwanted.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Lay down the law. I'd try throw it out.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I try, but then she gets mad.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I killed a cat when I was three, accidentally. Accidentally,
that's an accident. Took a turn, accident, it was an accident,
but I did took a turn.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Well, we don't want to go there. We don't like
the killing of cats, guys. No, and I would never,
would never harm the cat, very clear. But I don't
know why you took us there.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No, because because that cat wouldn't do that to me,
is what I wanted to say. Because his chair.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Okay, let's just put that down. But you just let's
put it down. Thirteen one six five do you.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Throw your authority around?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Put it down, Just put it down.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Don't want to six throw the cat around.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You're making it worse, just a bit of swagger, making
it worse.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
And I just I want to hear from some more
people that are that are frustrated and angry about this,
because it's wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You know, she made some promises to me November last year.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
She made some promises, and right now it feels like
she she married the cat, not me.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's in the bed in the bed actually is like
an interesting psychological feature here do we have to go there?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
What that?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Do we have to go? We don't have to psychoanalyze
what's happening?
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I got told that apparently if you have when you
have a child, and you have the child in your bed,
which is you know, obviously when they're bastfeeding and stuff,
it's quite it's not an uncommon response for men to
feel threatened.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Did I didn't feel threatened by rim? That was fine,
that was fine. I feel threatened by the cat.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yes, so that thing for you because it's taking your bed. Yeah,
but I don't take in your your life, yeah, just
as your yes.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Well, this is striking true? Actually, isn't that interesting? Striking
is an interesting example? Can I give you another example
of the yes triggering?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This like masculine fear response that's taking something that should
be yours? Well, yes, you and member both both coverging
and pussy in this instance. It is interesting, isn't it?
It was?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
It was good until that now, but it's true to
go there, let's go to Nicole on Nicole, look, I'm
angry and it feels like you're.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Angry as well. Does your I am is your partner.
You're gonna partner who cares for the pet more than
you he.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Does, And like literally is the dog.
Speaker 9 (05:40):
If I lie down and I go to give my
husband a kiss, the dog will come and line between
us so that he gets these kids. He'll try and
line between us on the bed, on the lund, he
gets special treats, he gets milk given to him. And
my husband says he's his favorite person in the fair leaguing.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And they say it in front of you as well,
don't they They just like they mean, will just say
that I love you, You're my special person, You're my
number one.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's like, I'm right here.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think this is a special special class of patheticness.
If you're jealous of an animal, I'm not jealous of
the animal.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I'm jealous of the love that the animal receives. That's
what I'm And I'm not jealous, I'm angry.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I'm not sure if that got better or worse.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
As Okay, there's a rule in your house regarding animals.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Let me hear it.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So we have a rule that is, if an animal,
so cat or dog, is on you, it is illegal
to move. So let's say you wanted to drink, someone
else does have to get that for you. If a
cat or dog is sleeping on you, we have that
legal to move way.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
We have that if Stevie, if Stevie's asleep on one
of us, then the other one has to go and.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Get the no way.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, because she loves it so much. It's so nice
for her.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Who's who she here? The dog? The dog? Yeah, no,
I get that. But if you're if you if you
want to have a cuddle with the dog though.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The time both of you leave the house.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah, what's the cat Lenny Lennie, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
He gets affection from you guys, very rarely.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Well, you you told me before that you threw him
out the cat door because you know how to use it.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I'm teaching him how to use the cat door.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You please feel free to give the show a call
if you've ever been added to the wrong group chat.
So it's rare. It's rare air, but gee whiz, you'd
remember if it happened to you, because you get yourself
a seat to the best show in town, No doubt.
It's awesome and the Bogles as to Hey, you should
play it as well, do I engage, do I just
stay silent? Or you want to be in there as
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long as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So you don't want to pop your head up too
much above the ground and.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Be a silent member. But then you know, and then
you miss out on the fun bit of misdirection. Anyway,
the reason I'm bringing this up is because overnight, the
editor in chief of The Atlantic magazine, which is a
political magazine, he was accidentally I mean, of all the
people to add accidentally to a group chat, he was
(08:00):
accidentally added to a group chat with Trump JD. Vance
and they were in a group chat on Signal, which
is a private confidential messaging system. They were in a
group chat discussing air strikes in Yemen. They do that
over group chat, I suppose, So I mean, like, you know,
(08:21):
they do a zoom over that. I imagine, But do
a phone call, don't you guys? What's the zoom about again?
Teams air strikes and we're doing air strikes?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That wow?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That is of course imagine working for someone like Signal,
what's the NBA there signing as in that they see
the messages, someone sees them. It's like the Russians who
are running someone season. You can't tell me that Zuki's
not sitting there. You know it does zaki own signal?
I reckon every morning Zuki would get to work and
(08:51):
he'd get a little Here's here's the best here, here's
the best nerds that everyone send over the last twenty
four hours, best group chat names.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah, he would, that's someone's job.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
He's crookie cookie. I've been saying it for a while.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yea, allegedly just helping you there.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Mate loves a looky looky he does, but allegedly likes
looking they say, WhatsApps encrypted allegedly likes a looky looking
But whoever?
Speaker 10 (09:15):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Signal there on one? So someone has a job to
this canvas. All have been the canvas here. But you're
having a look. It's you know, you and I are
saying that we don't use Sarah from Sales occasionally for
a great phone call. I mean, that's just no one's
believing that.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
We've never faced a call on this show. We're very popular.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's fair enough.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Now I might need to now though, who knows?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So, Sarah busy five, have you been added to the
wrong group chat? Trump accidentally adds the editor in chief
of a political magazine to a group chat talking about
air strikes. Totally wild. He got attacked about this in
a press conference. He's him defending himself.
Speaker 11 (09:55):
I don't know anything about it. I'm not a big
fan of The Atlantic. It's to me it's a magazine
that going out of business. I think it's not much
of a magazine. But I know nothing about it. You're
saying that they had what they.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Were using signal to pouring on sets of materials.
Speaker 11 (10:10):
And having to do with what, having to do with what. Well,
it couldn't have been very effective, because the attack was
very effective. I can tell you that I don't know
anything about it. You're telling me about it for the
first time.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
He's amazing. He's such a bulldog.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I need to ask you if you got added to
that group chat. By the way, thirty one to six five,
you've been outed to the wrong group chat. If you
got added to the Trump JD Van's group chat. Yeah,
on we're doing the air strikes in Yemen.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
What's the first thing, which I imagine is the name of
the chat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jackson, Yeah, I got to
click a little plan emoji. What what is the first
thing you're saying in the thread to try and act like, yeomen,
you know what you're talking about Yemen?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Or should I say yeah, ma'am and then be like,
I just drop that and just see if I get
a laugh out of Trumpy or or Vancy. And then
if I didn't, I'd be like, come on, Nancy, that's
good gear. Question mark, question mark. Then I'd send the gift.
I'd be giving. And then and then yeah, I don't
know what if you do, but and then probably you
(11:12):
don't want to get sick with it, but like you
probably do, like a bomb amoji or something.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Oh wow, Yeah, you want to be fitting in. You
want to be fitting in with them?
Speaker 9 (11:19):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
And then I'd be like, boys, let's call it off.
Obviously that's my two cents. Yeah right, it's unfinished.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Get out. This is the dumb idea.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
We're killing people, you know how I said, yeah, man,
before I'm thinking, nah, man, why don't we just talk
to Yemen?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
That's what I'd say.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Great, Okay, I've got that pretty well. Let me hear
that music please. Thirteen six Have you been added to
the wrong group? Chat r a P Captain Peopan's got
a great story about another twelve cricket club or rugby team.
(12:07):
You've ever then added to the wrong group chat. If
you aren't, just if you heard the break before Wood
he is still with us amazingly. Now let's get into it.
Because Trumpy was added to the editor in chief of
The Atlantic was added to the wrong group chat, which
was a signal group chat, yes, a coded, encoded, encrypted
(12:31):
messaging system. The editor of the Atlanta gets added to
the chat and it's Donald Trump and JD. Vans and a
bunch of other big dogs talking about air strikes in Yemen.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Unbelievable, fair old faux pa from whoever the admin?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well, whoever added him in? I'd say, whoever added him in?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Was it deliberate though?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Why would they deliberately do that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
To sabotage the air strikes and Trump's administration.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Do you think someone in there was like, we need
the media to look at hand?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yeah, jeez, yeah, James bonded play.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I'm surprised I had to explain that to you,
all right, let me to go to Jackson first, or I.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Don't really understand signal to be fair, are you not
on signal? I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's a it's an encrypted messaging system.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
So I don't need to encrypt my messages and an
open book. Will let's go, so.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Captain Captain poopans, Oh yeah, ah, he's hurt himself sliding
his chair in. You're right there, mate, I hit my
knee on the Get the guy in your chair. He's
a big jog. Now are you a market leader or something?
These days?
Speaker 7 (13:37):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He's the modest man, market lead, market lead.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
We've got some new forks in today, plastic but forks. Hey,
let's talk about you quickly, because you got added to
a group chat.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
I did the Molong Magpies under twelve's parents group.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
This is totally random, right, it's just brilliant. You're just
walking down the street one day notification and you're in
and how did you play it?
Speaker 7 (14:03):
I observed a lot of the chat going on. A
lot of it was about registrations.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I think that's smart to observe. By the way, is
just spend a lot of time just like listening.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, they're talking a lot about registrations. Yeah, and
there they talking.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
About an in appearance group on an under twelve. Well,
you know, I'm interested if the chat was anything else. Yeah,
just regio numbers, Like, congrats guy, a lot of admin.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Can little Billy play off in the fourteens this year?
That kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh yeah, and did you comment on that? Did you
think Billy could play in the.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Like a little love emojei occasionally maybe or like a surely.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
No, I hadn't seen enough a little Billy?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, fair enough for So when did you get yourself
involved in the chat? I asked the administrator, who's a
guy called Red Fern.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
That's call him Redfern.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, I asked Redfern for for an update on the
registration numbers.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Great, classic boring questions. You're beautifully fitting in there.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
It was like a very drunk mess. You've obviously been
throwing this around with a bunch of friends thinking about
which way to best strike exactly.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, and did Redfern engage?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yes, guys, we are sitting at fourteen red Jo's so far.
So you're in, You're in, You're in there by the way,
cricket glove at this point.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
To which I replied, not bad from you, Redfern.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
When that's when Red Fern's going, Not bad from you, Redford.
No one's ever called me Redfern.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Susie, you were added into a group chat.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
I was actually added into my bridesmaid's group chat about
me on my wedding wow wow.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And did anything come out which was controversial?
Speaker 8 (15:44):
Yeah, so they added me on what's happened the friend
that added me, we're no longer friends and jobs it
wasn't a bridesmaider she had.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Oh sorry, so sorry, so you just dropped out there.
What happened?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So she named it brides She's no longer a friend.
She had just created it. So I messaged in the
chat and what's going on? And then they she was
really embarrassed about it, and yeah, we're no longer friends obviously.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So you didn't even get to see any of the chat.
You just said.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
She had created it and then she'd accidentally.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Added bride the bridezilla.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Then so then she got sacked from the bridal party
straight away?
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Yes, yes, well yeah, well she created it and the
other bridesmaids were apologetic, but she had actually created it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So yeah, going to Jackson? Am I not going to Jackson?
I'll preduce to worried. I'll here we go, Jacko, I
can take him go, there we go, Jackson. You're added
to the wrong chat. Yeah, I was okay, what was
the chat.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
The VFL side.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh Jesus, And yeah, they added.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
Me to the chat, not just stay silent.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, by the way, is the Victorian Football League, so
it's one league below the a f L, which is
the elite level. Is it just the players or is
it the coaches as well? Jackson? Could you turn your
radio off in the background? Mate? Was it? Is it
just the players or is it the coaches as well?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
That it was just the players?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Okay, Jesus have given me a signal here to be
very just be very careful here.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
But like so.
Speaker 13 (17:39):
Woods, we heard a pretty extraordinary story yesterday by a
guy called Tim who was staying with his sister for
a while.
Speaker 14 (17:52):
Staying with my sister for a couple of nights and
just having a shower, and my tower caught onto my nose,
piercing and repped my nose, kissing straight through the skin,
lay out the gush and blood everywhere, and I didn't
really not know what to do, so I sort of
waddled down to her room with how wrapped around me,
dripping wet and covered in blood, started knocking on my
sister's bedroom door and she was actually in there with
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their boyfriend.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
They were asleep.
Speaker 14 (18:17):
You can imagine that I didn't actually open the door,
but I did get a fair warning not to come
in and go yelled at and she was basically like, nap, stop.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Go away. Okay.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
So the sister in that scenario has chosen to keep going.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Wow, you've got it.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
You've got to You've got your brother bleeding at the
bleeding and bleeding at the door to drive him to hospital,
and she has made the decision to keep going. What's
your stance on it.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Look, I'm not a woman, sure as you know. Yes, yeah,
I think he's quite plain. But I do know of
some women who who can get very angry if they
reach a certain proximity to a certain thing and that
thing is ruined for them. Interesting that that I've seen
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the ross. So you think she did the right thing,
You think she was well within her right to go.
I'm sorry, I don't care how much you're bleeding. I
think there would be some women that would argue, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Okay, Well I think that's fascinating. Here's what I want
to do right now.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
On thirteen, a little bit further into that day, not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Not necessarily else does not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Got a female voice involved. Do you think, well, Belsteen,
the sex ologists get her involved. Surely someone we're I'm
going to go to galk Away. What I wanted to
talk about is ad was a mood point.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I want to talk about the dilemma that people face
when there is an interruption. H So you're in there
having special time with someone and there's an interruption, and
the question I want to ask is did you keep
going or did you stop? So thirteen one oh six
five is the number? What was the interruption for you?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Okay, And then there's an obvious follow up question thereof
did you keep going or did you stop? I'm going
to throw some at you, because you know, save space.
I want to make people feel comfortable to share their.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Stories, the hypothetical, hypothetical.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Or they're either hypothetical or potentially things from my real life,
and I'll let people figure it out for themselves.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
But blood knows.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Like it's a temporary stop down, like it's a pit
stop for sure. So there is a pit stop there, definitely.
Well it depends how bad the bleeding is, but blood.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Everywhere, so from your life, well, yes it is there.
There was a lot of blood, but because the lights
were off, it was almost like, well I can't see it.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Could be a little bit of sweat.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So technic anyway, But when the lights came up, some
people like that was cooling.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Oh, don't go there, okay, next one, next one? Yeah,
pillow on fire.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Wow, that's also for you life.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Well I don't say that every time, but.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He used the pillow to try and fan the firing.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
What do you think the right thing to do? Is there?
Pillow lights on fire? Yep? Things are also heating up.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Stop I did stop?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Have to stop or the firearms goes off and the
whole house is in danger. I think you have to
stop that anyway. Thirteen one oh sixty five is the number.
What was the interruption? Yep? Did you keep going?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The T one six five? And is a family friendly show.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Don't go into the nitty gritty of it, of course. Anyway,
I couldn't find the word a stoppable interruption showing the.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Law they'd probably called a nervous actors intervenience.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And that's why I couldn't find the word.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
That's why I couldn't find I was trying to find
nervous actors interveners, but I just wasn't there on the
tip of the tuck. Anyway, We've got Mark here, Mark,
what was your nova actors to mean us?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What was the interruption my friend.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
The mother in law at the time that she walked
in on us.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Okay, now, Mark, I know we can't go details, but
from how compromising it was the position scale tenner off doggie?
Come on, Mark, Now, I tried to go for numbers.
I tried numbers. I tried numbers. I said, now do
we We've tried there. That's just that's that's that's that's.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We've tried, can't. I think what Mark was trying to say,
hang on, hang on.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Maybe maybe just lead position, chat out of it.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I didn't even position. I just said scale of one
to ten. He said ten. I was done. He said
off or not?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
No one said position.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And I think what he was he was painting a picture.
I think I was just using numbers.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Now, hang on.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I think what he was trying to say was the
dog was also in the room. Now, good, good clean
family fun.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Jade. We're not no Mark. You can bug her off.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Let's go to Jade. What was the interruption for you?
Let's keep it clean.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
About three year old daughter.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okays that I don't cross that boundary yet, Like I
feel like i'd be very competently able to lie to
my two and a half year old, So surely that's
that's an easy.
Speaker 12 (23:17):
Oh yeah, look, everything was dark and all, but so
a partner jumped out through the blanket over me, put
a pillow in front of him and he's like, come
on back to bed and like sort of like weaved
it back into bed and shut it door and came
back and we got back into it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think that's going to have the pit stop really
changing tires, yep, changing the tires soft ones on, hard
ones on. That's just fun. That's a clean F one
double on tendre F one in the zeitgeist right now.
I mean, that's just that's just a good bit of humor.
Oscar the China GP he named after him, And we're
(23:52):
out Benix five.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Good Matejo, I'm worried about you based on your voice.
But here we go. What was the what was the interruption, Bennie?
Speaker 10 (24:03):
So basically I was home alone with me and my
girlfriend basically got busted by my mom and my auntie.
Oh and yeah, doing push ups let's just say that much.
And then basically she's like not under my roofs and
basically made me walk home while I was in lack
of clothing, so I had to walk my girlfriend home.
She fully clothed, I was not allowed to be closed,
(24:25):
and my mom drove behind me with the car to
make sure I walked the whole way home.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Wow, wow, your mom frog marched you nude through the streets.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
Yeah, one and a half kilometers away from my Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wow, that's great. Would I know that this is isn't
really in your zeitgeist, but well it might be an
incredible story here about the fact that I listen to something.
I know you're massive hands in huge, Tan Zimmer, the Clash,
(25:02):
Kat Stevens, Annie Lennox, and Kate Bush also big artist,
and I don't care what sort of music you're like,
all of them are really big arts. Sure you're playing
some hard Jimi Requiz on the record as well when
you're saying the record, yes, they've all made a record
together together, and the record is completely silent. So it's just.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
This feels like a trick.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It does, right, it does it does.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So that the record is completely in silence. Its dogs
hear it, or saying is it in like a pitch
where only dogs or under twelve can hear it?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And there's some underground.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Frequencies that that adults can hear. I don't want you
to question that. I knew you question that. I want
to get on with the bit. I want to get
on with a big thank you. So so the story
is called the record is called is this what we Want?
And basically it's a protest record where they're saying, if
you change laws around AI and how much AI can
be used in music production, you won't actually hear our
(26:09):
voices on music anymore because you'll be hearing artificial intelligence.
So garage band, they're having to go at your garage bands.
I think, I think absolutely Now I can't answer a
lot of these questions, and I knew you'd have a
lot of really basic that wasn't a basic question.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Well that's my brown.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So what I've done is actually an old friend of
ours who's PA is actually studying his PhD in this
writing a PhD on exactly this, which I think is
one of the most interesting topics in the world right now. Sure,
artificial intelligence in general, but also how it impacts something
which we all know and love. I mean, God, you
listen to the radio right now for a reason because
you like music. So it's important to all of us
moves in the right direction. And I think Zach Cooper,
(26:47):
a very good friend of ours, joins us right now. Zach,
welcome to Willa Muddy.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
What a pleasure, Zach.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Was I anywhere around the mark there with my questions
thus far?
Speaker 15 (26:56):
I didn't fully understand that. Maybe they're a bit of
my head woulds.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But I appreciate your honesty. So, Zach, what's that? What
is this like a real threat? Is what they're saying hyperbolic?
Or is it actually going to be something to be
worried about in the future that we won't actually hear
real people's voice on music.
Speaker 15 (27:16):
Well, I mean, I don't think you're not going to
hear real people's voices on music, because people are still
going to keep making music unless you force them not to.
The problem is is that it's going to be much
cheaper to just generate music than get people to make it.
So the question is more about whether you know, Spotify
decides to just like fill itself up with generated music
because that it doesn't have to pay the artists and
(27:38):
that can just print money for itself essentially, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But so Zach, I can't imagine myself ever going onto
a Spotify or an Apple Music or iHeart and like
wanting to listen to a robot over a real human being.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I just can't imagine myself ever doing that. Is that
actually a concern?
Speaker 15 (27:54):
Well, you might already be. I mean, you know, so
Spotify's already kind of been getting a hot honor because
it's already been you know, for the past however many
years it's been paying like Swedish beat farms to kind
of just get you know, sort of producers to make yeah,
you know, and other.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I'd love to visit all beat farms.
Speaker 15 (28:14):
Yeah, they're not, they're not. They're not racist towards other
beat farms, but they do. The Swedes seem to have
a bit of a leg up in the race on
the beat farm front, where basically, you know, there's different
beat farms. You just pay some guy, you know, two
hundred bucks to like knock you up like sort of
elevator muzak, you know, and then if you if they
populate playlists with that, they don't have to pay the
(28:34):
same rates that they would you know, like a jazz
musician who they've brought off like a actual music label
or something. But now with AI, you can cut the
Swedish beat farm out, you know, and you can just
generate your own things. So obviously you're not going to
want to go listen to listen to Taylor Swift. You're
probably not gonna listen to the robot Taylor Swift over
real Taylor Swift. If you're just putting on music to
like hang out in my jocks too, or like music
(28:56):
to have on in the background while I'm listening to
Will and Woody and then that stuff, they can just
fill up with, like we're just like whatever music to
run to. And so a lot of those artists on
those like music to chill to, music to hang out to.
If you click on them, there's like nothing there, you know,
are You're right?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
They curate those players where they're like your your chill
mix for today totally, but you.
Speaker 15 (29:18):
Would never choose to listen to that, But they're choosing
for you, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't even read no choice, yeah yeah yeah.
And when you and I realized recently with Spotify, for example,
you can't not choose smart shuffle like if you've made
a playlist, yeah you can't. You can choose either repeat
or shuffle, but it instantly goes you're smart shuffling, which
means after we've shuffled your songs on the playlist, we'll
(29:44):
start throwing in some rope dust that we know is
for this playlist.
Speaker 15 (29:48):
And it's an existential problem for Spotify because you can understand,
even up till now, I mean everyone's Spotify. It's massive,
it's taken up music. Spotify still hasn't turned a profit,
I'm pretty sure up until now, so because they pay
out too much, like a lot of those big companies,
you know, like they're just they're still in the rep you.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Know, wow.
Speaker 15 (30:07):
So which is why they're pivoting the podcast. And that's
also why they're pivoting to aim music.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And I read in this book a little while ago,
this You've ill Know, a Harari book called twenty one
Lessons for the twenty first Century, where he was saying
that what they've done is they've managed to map what notes,
what frequencies, and in what succession create emotion for you,
and so they can map that onto music.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Like the Brown Sound.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm not sure what the Brown sound is. So there's
a particular the book, but he basically said, you'll be
able to go on to your Spotify these days and
you won't even say, hey, give me a chill playlist.
You'll you'll go on there and you'll walk into your
house and you go, hey, Alexa, I want to feel hopeful,
and you won't even you won't even get a playlist.
You'll just get like hours of the music that you
(30:53):
want to feel, because you know, it kind of takes
out the middle man of going like, oh, which artist
makes me feel a certain way? I don't like track
three because you know it is that? Is that going
to be a things?
Speaker 15 (31:03):
I mean, it could be. I mean if that's what
people want, you know, I mean we on a consumer
demanding so we just want to hit a point where
I don't you want to have to think about what
to listen to, what to care about? Hey maybe you.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Know and so are you saying, well that it would
be bespoke to your brain, so like your brain would
respond differently.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Sure, I'm sure, I mean, Zach can correct me if
I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure. The way that
the software is working right now, it's constantly tailoring what
it's giving you based on your brain.
Speaker 15 (31:28):
Well, that's what it claims through doing. It claims through
start of personalizing everything for everybody, but then kind of
complicated because in the same notion, it's kind of catching
you from daylight when you're like a three year old
or four year old now and it's like your case,
so that in the other hand, it's personalizing everything for you.
And then in a way I feel like it's kind
of personalizing us all towards each other.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
You know, you don't rifting like that's that's record.
Speaker 15 (31:52):
Concerts or whatever. You know.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So, so, Zach, does this scare you?
Speaker 10 (31:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I mean, I know, in and of your own right
a great musician, and I know how much you love music.
Should musicians actually be worried about this? Because, I mean,
this whole record has been released in the UK because
the UK is thinking about changing their laws so that
I think they can make it easier for AI models
to make music, and that's what they're worried about all
(32:19):
the musicians, and naturally musicians are going to be worried
about that. But is it actually like a real present
threat for musicians?
Speaker 15 (32:26):
I mean, yeah, for the to make money. It is.
I mean, you could argue that already, like musicians have
been screwed for quite some time. Probably Spotify was already
just a huge death to you know. I read some
brutal star recently. It's like there's like two hundred thousand
musicians I think worldwide that are able to make money
off its compared to something like four or five million
influences in the US alone. Wow, so already like no one,
(32:49):
like most people can't earn a profit anyway, because everyone's
paying fifteen bucks a month for all of the music
that's ever existed, when you know, ten years ago you
paid twenty bucks for one album, you know, to make
economics of it are kind of like you don't really
like don't add up. But then now yeah, you've got
you can just have all this fake music that's taking
out another chunk of that. It's a big problem. The
(33:11):
bigger problem is that, like people are complaining about the
UK law, but actually if you made it so that
they couldn't you know, you put the copywriters stronger so
that they can't train the models. That probably also doesn't
fix the problem either, for a whole bunch of you know,
bland legal reasons that I could tell you, but yeah,
musicians are in big trouble in general.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
So what needs to change in zac like like even
putting AI to one side here, Like, you're obviously very
across this stuff. You're a musician yourself, So what would
need to change? Because I'm really concerned that we're going
to live in a world where you know, there are
less musicians and then less amazing music being made. What
needs to change for that to you know, to make
sure the musicians or.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Not not less amazing music being made because the AI,
the computers are just smacking out of the park the terminators.
Speaker 15 (33:52):
Yeah, about when we used to listen to human music? No,
I honestly is a really simple answer, which is that
people need to kind of go out and buy music,
which is not a Spotify subscription for fifteen bucks a month.
You've got to go out and like buy records, go
to shows, and like put a bit more into it
(34:13):
to like directly support people rather than kind of going, oh,
I've spent fifteen bucks for all the music ever and
now I'm listening to a bunch of robot chunks that
Spotify is feeding me, and like it's a shame. There's
no musicians anymore.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
You know, well said, well said kind of feels like
what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I think my terrifying part about this is, well, I
don't think Zach mentions earlier obviously we've both got daughters
as well. Is that, like they're listening to Spotify from
that young they're going to have their own account by
the time they're five years old. How to know where
their music choosing begins and where Spotify starts choosing for them?
And if you told me that a robot could get
her to calm down at any time, you do it,
I'm getting that robot involved.
Speaker 15 (34:53):
Yeah, I'll just have a chip in their brains. But
you know, by the time Arra growing up, it'll just
be playing on the soundtrack all the time automatically.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Oh oh my god, exact. It's been good. I told
you not to scare us. I gave you one job,
Zach Cooper on Will and what do he made? Thanks
so much, that was awesome pleasure. We're going to find
out which generation is most out of touch.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Alone.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
It's Will and.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Woodiest, all of the j as too. I think, very
very honest mid thirty year olds.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Will.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think we are we're just at the nucleus of
all pop culture. We can.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
We get what the young kids are up to, and
we're fully across history.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
As well, we get we get the oldies.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, we stand astride both exactly right, zeitgeists exactly what
we are the Zeitgeist.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
And at last, on the other hand, you're on the
interests what the TikTokers are doing and what the which.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Is very important and quite in like has a lot
of information in it that you should be across.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So okay, you know, anyway, underwhelming underwhelming, which is very important.
We find my geography teacher in U nine. Nobody cares, mate,
all right, hey, let's do it, shall we? Yeah, okay,
We've got another bit of audio to play you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I've done six pretty well in the past.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You've been good, you have been good. Okay, can you
sing the next part of this song? Okay?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
A strange thing happened when you're gone round the Twist.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Or something like that. I really has there been a
reboot there that we don't know about?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Do you know about that run the Twist on ABC?
OG runs mustuns like no like it must have been
like early days.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I'm angry at the budget of the Australian broadcast and
commissioned that it's still a win.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
No, I still a win, f rust though, because we
made such good stuff. They're doing reruns now because they're
not very good.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I haven't got their own show, their own show. I
will take all right, what have you?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Okay, guys, who is Nikky Blonski a blondst She's blonde.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Blonk Ski, not bondy blonk Ski, as in like sky.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
How do you spell a surname?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I've just putting it, you know, well, yeah, blonk Ski.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It sounds like a fake name.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
B l o n s k Y.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Blonde, Blosky Blosky.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
B l o n blonde ky blonde.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Nicky Blondski. Yeah, Blonsky blonde sky Blonski. Shocking name. I
think it needs to be said. It sounds like it's fake.
Is it someone in the gen Z calendar?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
No, to be honest, this is someone from a few
years ago, like, and by a few, I don't mean
like two years ago. I'm talking maybe twenty forty.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Oh okay, eleven years ago.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, so you should know. Did the PR run the
Big PR?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think she's an artist. I think she's a musician.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Singer Yep Blonsky, what song see.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm in the right area. That's good, in the right
area when you get that.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah, she wants more. What'd you sing? Well?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Is that is that?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That's part of that's that's a spray.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
She's in hairspray.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
She's in hairspray at the stage show or the movie.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
The movie with a Volta Walter.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yes, she plays Tracy turned Blair.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't care. You should think.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Should because do you know the website cameo?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I don't care analys Who is Jennifer love Hewitt.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
She's an actress. She was in a season maybe I
don't know what, but she was in Criminal Minds at
some stage.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Criminal Minds.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, she's definitely Criminal Minds.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
They've all done Criminal Minds. Give me one more.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
She's a she's a big actress. She has brown hair,
like shortish bobby kind of vibe. I think I'm nail.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Criminal Minds.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Criminal Minds.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's, like I said, like a law and order, but
it goes from the perspective of the criminal. Yeah, right,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
The b are you?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
B are you?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
The Behavioral Intetelligence Unit
The Will and Woody podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Will the World's Oldest cat has just turned thirty.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What's the cat?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
And I don't know how old my thirty thirty years old?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
As the thing with birds, the bigger the bird, the
older the bird. Is that the same with cats.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
This cat looks moderate size, so it doesn't look like it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But fish as well, the bigger the fish.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Yeah, And apparently with fish they will just keep growing
based on their environment. So a fish won't get bigger
in a fish bowl, but if you put it in
a lake, it'll get bigger.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
That might just be coyfish, now.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
That I'm saying, no, no, no, that's a fish thing all fish.
So why aren't the fish in the bigger fish, the
bigger fish, the older the fish.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Why aren't they fish in the ocean?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Like now, have you seen those photos of tuna They
catch the size of a car.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Yeah, big tuna. Anyway, we're getting distracted. Let's let's talk
about this cat. Yeah, now, this cat turning thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Whish there was the same to the humans. By the way,
the bigger the human be gr see him from a
mile out.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Bloody, yeah, yeah, And it's just there'd be one good
thing about getting really old, you know what I mean,
Look at the size of me.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Anyway, exactly, cat cat asks me to get something from
the top film, I can do it.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Four cat cat back on.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
So this story just angers me so much because it's
pushed a button with me. No, I don't hate all cats,
that's outrageous, but I have a I have a tricky
relationship with the cat in my household.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
His name is Lenny. And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Apparently this guy who owns the oldest cat gives this
cat only bottled water. And the reason that makes me
angry and the reason that has has has pressed it
for me.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
No, we're not doing that.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
But what I can tell you is that I think
my wife treats the cat Lenny, better than me.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
And it really really angers and trying not to swear.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Really like it's got to a stage where if I
if I go into the bedroom and mim is cuddling
with Lenny, the cat, I obviously if I come into
the bedroom, what do I want?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
What do I want when I walk into the bedroom?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Get changed?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well after that?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Do you do you do you want to cuddle?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I do, But are you communicating that or are you
just hoping for someone to throw around.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I walk in there and go, oh, the cuddle train's here,
you know, something like that. It's something cute, and I.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Might hop onto, I hop onto the hop onto the
bed and she goes, why are easy?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Easy?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Easy?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You're gonna scare the cat off?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And I'm like, you're you're choosing cuddles with the cat
over cuddles with the with the train right now, the
cuddle train, and she goes, yes, I am gets worse
if the cat happens to position itself on my side
of the bed before I've got there and looks comfortable.
Nim Will genuinely say to me, oh, don't disturb the cat.
You might have to sleep in another bed tonight.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Straight up.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Wow, she said to her husband, to her betrothed, to
the love of her life. I'm fed up Will with
the fact that she is treating the cat better than me.
And I'm thirteen one, I was six or five right now.
I want to know if there's more people like me
that are frustrated on the home front. Is your partner
treating the pet better than you?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Wow? Can I do do a week?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I feel weak, I feel unloved masculately, I feel emasculated,
I feel unwanted.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Lay down the law. I'd try throw it out.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I try, but then she gets mad.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I killed a cat when I was three, accidentally. Accidentally,
that's an accident. Took a turn, accident, it was an accident,
but I did took a turn.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Well, we don't want to go there. We don't like
the killing of cats, guys. No, and I would never,
would never harm the cat, very clear. But I don't
know why you took us there.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No, because because that cat wouldn't do that to me,
is what I wanted to say. Because his chair.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Okay, let's just put that down. But you just let's
put it down. Thirteen one six five do you.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Throw your authority around?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Put it down, Just put it down.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Don't want to six throw the cat around.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You're making it worse, just a bit of swagger, making
it worse.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
And I just I want to hear from some more
people that are that are frustrated and angry about this,
because it's wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You know, she made some promises to me November last year.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
She made some promises, and right now it feels like
she she married the cat, not me.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's in the bed in the bed actually is like
an interesting psychological feature here do we have to go there?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
What that?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Do we have to go? We don't have to psychoanalyze
what's happening?
Speaker 8 (04:36):
Well?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I got told that apparently if you have when you
have a child, and you have the child in your bed,
which is you know, obviously when they're bastfeeding and stuff,
it's quite it's not an uncommon response for men to
feel threatened.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Did I didn't feel threatened by rim? That was fine,
that was fine. I feel threatened by the cat.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yes, so that thing for you because it's taking your bed. Yeah,
but I don't take in your your life, yeah, just
as your yes.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Well, this is striking true? Actually, isn't that interesting? Striking
is an interesting example? Can I give you another example
of the yes triggering?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This like masculine fear response that's taking something that should
be yours? Well, yes, you and member both both coverging
and pussy in this instance. It is interesting, isn't it?
It was?
Speaker 5 (05:19):
It was good until that now, but it's true to
go there, let's go to Nicole on Nicole, look, I'm
angry and it feels like you're.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Angry as well. Does your I am is your partner.
You're gonna partner who cares for the pet more than
you he.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Does, And like literally is the dog.
Speaker 9 (05:40):
If I lie down and I go to give my
husband a kiss, the dog will come and line between
us so that he gets these kids. He'll try and
line between us on the bed, on the lund, he
gets special treats, he gets milk given to him. And
my husband says he's his favorite person in the fair leaguing.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And they say it in front of you as well,
don't they They just like they mean, will just say
that I love you, You're my special person, You're my
number one.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's like, I'm right here.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think this is a special special class of patheticness.
If you're jealous of an animal, I'm not jealous of
the animal.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I'm jealous of the love that the animal receives. That's
what I'm And I'm not jealous, I'm angry.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I'm not sure if that got better or worse.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
As Okay, there's a rule in your house regarding animals.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Let me hear it.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So we have a rule that is, if an animal,
so cat or dog, is on you, it is illegal
to move. So let's say you wanted to drink, someone
else does have to get that for you. If a
cat or dog is sleeping on you, we have that
legal to move way.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
We have that if Stevie, if Stevie's asleep on one
of us, then the other one has to go and.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Get the no way.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, because she loves it so much. It's so nice
for her.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Who's who she here? The dog? The dog? Yeah, no,
I get that. But if you're if you if you
want to have a cuddle with the dog though.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The time both of you leave the house.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah, what's the cat Lenny Lennie, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
He gets affection from you guys, very rarely.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Well, you you told me before that you threw him
out the cat door because you know how to use it.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I'm teaching him how to use the cat door.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You please feel free to give the show a call
if you've ever been added to the wrong group chat.
So it's rare. It's rare air, but gee whiz, you'd
remember if it happened to you, because you get yourself
a seat to the best show in town, No doubt.
It's awesome and the Bogles as to Hey, you should
play it as well, do I engage, do I just
stay silent? Or you want to be in there as
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long as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So you don't want to pop your head up too
much above the ground and.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Be a silent member. But then you know, and then
you miss out on the fun bit of misdirection. Anyway,
the reason I'm bringing this up is because overnight, the
editor in chief of The Atlantic magazine, which is a
political magazine, he was accidentally I mean, of all the
people to add accidentally to a group chat, he was
(08:00):
accidentally added to a group chat with Trump JD. Vance
and they were in a group chat on Signal, which
is a private confidential messaging system. They were in a
group chat discussing air strikes in Yemen. They do that
over group chat, I suppose, So I mean, like, you know,
(08:21):
they do a zoom over that. I imagine, But do
a phone call, don't you guys? What's the zoom about again?
Teams air strikes and we're doing air strikes?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That wow?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That is of course imagine working for someone like Signal,
what's the NBA there signing as in that they see
the messages, someone sees them. It's like the Russians who
are running someone season. You can't tell me that Zuki's
not sitting there. You know it does zaki own signal?
I reckon every morning Zuki would get to work and
(08:51):
he'd get a little Here's here's the best here, here's
the best nerds that everyone send over the last twenty
four hours, best group chat names.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah, he would, that's someone's job.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
He's crookie cookie. I've been saying it for a while.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yea, allegedly just helping you there.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Mate loves a looky looky he does, but allegedly likes
looking they say, WhatsApps encrypted allegedly likes a looky looking
But whoever?
Speaker 10 (09:15):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Signal there on one? So someone has a job to
this canvas. All have been the canvas here. But you're
having a look. It's you know, you and I are
saying that we don't use Sarah from Sales occasionally for
a great phone call. I mean, that's just no one's
believing that.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
We've never faced a call on this show. We're very popular.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's fair enough.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Now I might need to now though, who knows?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So, Sarah busy five, have you been added to the
wrong group chat? Trump accidentally adds the editor in chief
of a political magazine to a group chat talking about
air strikes. Totally wild. He got attacked about this in
a press conference. He's him defending himself.
Speaker 11 (09:55):
I don't know anything about it. I'm not a big
fan of The Atlantic. It's to me it's a magazine
that going out of business. I think it's not much
of a magazine. But I know nothing about it. You're
saying that they had what they.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Were using signal to pouring on sets of materials.
Speaker 11 (10:10):
And having to do with what, having to do with what. Well,
it couldn't have been very effective, because the attack was
very effective. I can tell you that I don't know
anything about it. You're telling me about it for the
first time.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
He's amazing. He's such a bulldog.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I need to ask you if you got added to
that group chat. By the way, thirty one to six five,
you've been outed to the wrong group chat. If you
got added to the Trump JD Van's group chat. Yeah,
on we're doing the air strikes in Yemen.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
What's the first thing, which I imagine is the name of
the chat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jackson, Yeah, I got to
click a little plan emoji. What what is the first
thing you're saying in the thread to try and act like, yeomen,
you know what you're talking about Yemen?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Or should I say yeah, ma'am and then be like,
I just drop that and just see if I get
a laugh out of Trumpy or or Vancy. And then
if I didn't, I'd be like, come on, Nancy, that's
good gear. Question mark, question mark. Then I'd send the gift.
I'd be giving. And then and then yeah, I don't
know what if you do, but and then probably you
(11:12):
don't want to get sick with it, but like you
probably do, like a bomb amoji or something.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Oh wow, Yeah, you want to be fitting in. You
want to be fitting in with them?
Speaker 9 (11:19):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
And then I'd be like, boys, let's call it off.
Obviously that's my two cents. Yeah right, it's unfinished.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Get out. This is the dumb idea.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
We're killing people, you know how I said, yeah, man,
before I'm thinking, nah, man, why don't we just talk
to Yemen?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
That's what I'd say.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Great, Okay, I've got that pretty well. Let me hear
that music please. Thirteen six Have you been added to
the wrong group? Chat r a P Captain Peopan's got
a great story about another twelve cricket club or rugby team.
(12:07):
You've ever then added to the wrong group chat. If
you aren't, just if you heard the break before Wood
he is still with us amazingly. Now let's get into it.
Because Trumpy was added to the editor in chief of
The Atlantic was added to the wrong group chat, which
was a signal group chat, yes, a coded, encoded, encrypted
(12:31):
messaging system. The editor of the Atlanta gets added to
the chat and it's Donald Trump and JD. Vans and a
bunch of other big dogs talking about air strikes in Yemen.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Unbelievable, fair old faux pa from whoever the admin?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well, whoever added him in? I'd say, whoever added him in?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Was it deliberate though?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Why would they deliberately do that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
To sabotage the air strikes and Trump's administration.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Do you think someone in there was like, we need
the media to look at hand?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yeah, jeez, yeah, James bonded play.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I'm surprised I had to explain that to you,
all right, let me to go to Jackson first, or I.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Don't really understand signal to be fair, are you not
on signal? I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's a it's an encrypted messaging system.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
So I don't need to encrypt my messages and an
open book. Will let's go, so.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Captain Captain poopans, Oh yeah, ah, he's hurt himself sliding
his chair in. You're right there, mate, I hit my
knee on the Get the guy in your chair. He's
a big jog. Now are you a market leader or something?
These days?
Speaker 7 (13:37):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He's the modest man, market lead, market lead.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
We've got some new forks in today, plastic but forks. Hey,
let's talk about you quickly, because you got added to
a group chat.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
I did the Molong Magpies under twelve's parents group.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
This is totally random, right, it's just brilliant. You're just
walking down the street one day notification and you're in
and how did you play it?
Speaker 7 (14:03):
I observed a lot of the chat going on. A
lot of it was about registrations.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I think that's smart to observe. By the way, is
just spend a lot of time just like listening.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, they're talking a lot about registrations. Yeah, and
there they talking.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
About an in appearance group on an under twelve. Well,
you know, I'm interested if the chat was anything else. Yeah,
just regio numbers, Like, congrats guy, a lot of admin.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Can little Billy play off in the fourteens this year?
That kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh yeah, and did you comment on that? Did you
think Billy could play in the.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Like a little love emojei occasionally maybe or like a surely.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
No, I hadn't seen enough a little Billy?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, fair enough for So when did you get yourself
involved in the chat? I asked the administrator, who's a
guy called Red Fern.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
That's call him Redfern.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, I asked Redfern for for an update on the
registration numbers.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Great, classic boring questions. You're beautifully fitting in there.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
It was like a very drunk mess. You've obviously been
throwing this around with a bunch of friends thinking about
which way to best strike exactly.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, and did Redfern engage?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yes, guys, we are sitting at fourteen red Jo's so far.
So you're in, You're in, You're in there by the way,
cricket glove at this point.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
To which I replied, not bad from you, Redfern.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
When that's when Red Fern's going, Not bad from you, Redford.
No one's ever called me Redfern.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Susie, you were added into a group chat.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
I was actually added into my bridesmaid's group chat about
me on my wedding wow wow.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And did anything come out which was controversial?
Speaker 8 (15:44):
Yeah, so they added me on what's happened the friend
that added me, we're no longer friends and jobs it
wasn't a bridesmaider she had.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Oh sorry, so sorry, so you just dropped out there.
What happened?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So she named it brides She's no longer a friend.
She had just created it. So I messaged in the
chat and what's going on? And then they she was
really embarrassed about it, and yeah, we're no longer friends obviously.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So you didn't even get to see any of the chat.
You just said.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
She had created it and then she'd accidentally.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Added bride the bridezilla.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Then so then she got sacked from the bridal party
straight away?
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Yes, yes, well yeah, well she created it and the
other bridesmaids were apologetic, but she had actually created it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So yeah, going to Jackson? Am I not going to Jackson?
I'll preduce to worried. I'll here we go, Jacko, I
can take him go, there we go, Jackson. You're added
to the wrong chat. Yeah, I was okay, what was
the chat.
Speaker 12 (16:58):
The VFL side.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh Jesus, And yeah, they added.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
Me to the chat, not just stay silent.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, by the way, is the Victorian Football League, so
it's one league below the a f L, which is
the elite level. Is it just the players or is
it the coaches as well? Jackson? Could you turn your
radio off in the background? Mate? Was it? Is it
just the players or is it the coaches as well?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
That it was just the players?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Okay, Jesus have given me a signal here to be
very just be very careful here.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
But like so.
Speaker 13 (17:39):
Woods, we heard a pretty extraordinary story yesterday by a
guy called Tim who was staying with his sister for
a while.
Speaker 14 (17:52):
Staying with my sister for a couple of nights and
just having a shower, and my tower caught onto my nose,
piercing and repped my nose, kissing straight through the skin,
lay out the gush and blood everywhere, and I didn't
really not know what to do, so I sort of
waddled down to her room with how wrapped around me,
dripping wet and covered in blood, started knocking on my
sister's bedroom door and she was actually in there with
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their boyfriend.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
They were asleep.
Speaker 14 (18:17):
You can imagine that I didn't actually open the door,
but I did get a fair warning not to come
in and go yelled at and she was basically like, nap, stop.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Go away. Okay.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
So the sister in that scenario has chosen to keep going.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Wow, you've got it.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
You've got to You've got your brother bleeding at the
bleeding and bleeding at the door to drive him to hospital,
and she has made the decision to keep going. What's
your stance on it.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Look, I'm not a woman, sure as you know. Yes, yeah,
I think he's quite plain. But I do know of
some women who who can get very angry if they
reach a certain proximity to a certain thing and that
thing is ruined for them. Interesting that that I've seen
(19:14):
the ross. So you think she did the right thing,
You think she was well within her right to go.
I'm sorry, I don't care how much you're bleeding. I
think there would be some women that would argue, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Okay, Well I think that's fascinating. Here's what I want
to do right now.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
On thirteen, a little bit further into that day, not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Not necessarily else does not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Got a female voice involved. Do you think, well, Belsteen,
the sex ologists get her involved. Surely someone we're I'm
going to go to galk Away. What I wanted to
talk about is ad was a mood point.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I want to talk about the dilemma that people face
when there is an interruption. H So you're in there
having special time with someone and there's an interruption, and
the question I want to ask is did you keep
going or did you stop? So thirteen one oh six
five is the number? What was the interruption for you?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Okay, And then there's an obvious follow up question thereof
did you keep going or did you stop? I'm going
to throw some at you, because you know, save space.
I want to make people feel comfortable to share their.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Stories, the hypothetical, hypothetical.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Or they're either hypothetical or potentially things from my real life,
and I'll let people figure it out for themselves.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
But blood knows.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Like it's a temporary stop down, like it's a pit
stop for sure. So there is a pit stop there, definitely.
Well it depends how bad the bleeding is, but blood.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Everywhere, so from your life, well, yes it is there.
There was a lot of blood, but because the lights
were off, it was almost like, well I can't see it.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Could be a little bit of sweat.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So technic anyway, But when the lights came up, some
people like that was cooling.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Oh, don't go there, okay, next one, next one? Yeah,
pillow on fire.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Wow, that's also for you life.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Well I don't say that every time, but.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He used the pillow to try and fan the firing.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
What do you think the right thing to do? Is there?
Pillow lights on fire? Yep? Things are also heating up.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Stop I did stop?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Have to stop or the firearms goes off and the
whole house is in danger. I think you have to
stop that anyway. Thirteen one oh sixty five is the number.
What was the interruption? Yep? Did you keep going?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The T one six five? And is a family friendly show.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Don't go into the nitty gritty of it, of course. Anyway,
I couldn't find the word a stoppable interruption showing the.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Law they'd probably called a nervous actors intervenience.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And that's why I couldn't find the word.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
That's why I couldn't find I was trying to find
nervous actors interveners, but I just wasn't there on the
tip of the tuck. Anyway, We've got Mark here, Mark,
what was your nova actors to mean us?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What was the interruption my friend.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
The mother in law at the time that she walked
in on us.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Okay, now, Mark, I know we can't go details, but
from how compromising it was the position scale tenner off doggie?
Come on, Mark, Now, I tried to go for numbers.
I tried numbers. I tried numbers. I said, now do
we We've tried there. That's just that's that's that's that's.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We've tried, can't. I think what Mark was trying to say,
hang on, hang on.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Maybe maybe just lead position, chat out of it.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I didn't even position. I just said scale of one
to ten. He said ten. I was done. He said
off or not?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
No one said position.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And I think what he was he was painting a picture.
I think I was just using numbers.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Now, hang on.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I think what he was trying to say was the
dog was also in the room. Now, good, good clean
family fun.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Jade. We're not no Mark. You can bug her off.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Let's go to Jade. What was the interruption for you?
Let's keep it clean.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
About three year old daughter.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okays that I don't cross that boundary yet, Like I
feel like i'd be very competently able to lie to
my two and a half year old, So surely that's
that's an easy.
Speaker 12 (23:17):
Oh yeah, look, everything was dark and all, but so
a partner jumped out through the blanket over me, put
a pillow in front of him and he's like, come
on back to bed and like sort of like weaved
it back into bed and shut it door and came
back and we got back into it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think that's going to have the pit stop really
changing tires, yep, changing the tires soft ones on, hard
ones on. That's just fun. That's a clean F one
double on tendre F one in the zeitgeist right now.
I mean, that's just that's just a good bit of humor.
Oscar the China GP he named after him, And we're
(23:52):
out Benix five.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Good Matejo, I'm worried about you based on your voice.
But here we go. What was the what was the interruption, Bennie?
Speaker 10 (24:03):
So basically I was home alone with me and my
girlfriend basically got busted by my mom and my auntie.
Oh and yeah, doing push ups let's just say that much.
And then basically she's like not under my roofs and
basically made me walk home while I was in lack
of clothing, so I had to walk my girlfriend home.
She fully clothed, I was not allowed to be closed,
(24:25):
and my mom drove behind me with the car to
make sure I walked the whole way home.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Wow, wow, your mom frog marched you nude through the streets.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
Yeah, one and a half kilometers away from my Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wow, that's great. Would I know that this is isn't
really in your zeitgeist, but well it might be an
incredible story here about the fact that I listen to something.
I know you're massive hands in huge, Tan Zimmer, the Clash,
(25:02):
Kat Stevens, Annie Lennox, and Kate Bush also big artist,
and I don't care what sort of music you're like,
all of them are really big arts. Sure you're playing
some hard Jimi Requiz on the record as well when
you're saying the record, yes, they've all made a record
together together, and the record is completely silent. So it's just.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
This feels like a trick.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It does, right, it does it does.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So that the record is completely in silence. Its dogs
hear it, or saying is it in like a pitch
where only dogs or under twelve can hear it?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And there's some underground.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Frequencies that that adults can hear. I don't want you
to question that. I knew you question that. I want
to get on with the bit. I want to get
on with a big thank you. So so the story
is called the record is called is this what we Want?
And basically it's a protest record where they're saying, if
you change laws around AI and how much AI can
be used in music production, you won't actually hear our
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voices on music anymore because you'll be hearing artificial intelligence.
So garage band, they're having to go at your garage bands.
I think, I think absolutely Now I can't answer a
lot of these questions, and I knew you'd have a
lot of really basic that wasn't a basic question.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Well that's my brown.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So what I've done is actually an old friend of
ours who's PA is actually studying his PhD in this
writing a PhD on exactly this, which I think is
one of the most interesting topics in the world right now. Sure,
artificial intelligence in general, but also how it impacts something
which we all know and love. I mean, God, you
listen to the radio right now for a reason because
you like music. So it's important to all of us
moves in the right direction. And I think Zach Cooper,
(26:47):
a very good friend of ours, joins us right now. Zach,
welcome to Willa Muddy.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
What a pleasure, Zach.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Was I anywhere around the mark there with my questions
thus far?
Speaker 15 (26:56):
I didn't fully understand that. Maybe they're a bit of
my head woulds.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But I appreciate your honesty. So, Zach, what's that? What
is this like a real threat? Is what they're saying hyperbolic?
Or is it actually going to be something to be
worried about in the future that we won't actually hear
real people's voice on music.
Speaker 15 (27:16):
Well, I mean, I don't think you're not going to
hear real people's voices on music, because people are still
going to keep making music unless you force them not to.
The problem is is that it's going to be much
cheaper to just generate music than get people to make it.
So the question is more about whether you know, Spotify
decides to just like fill itself up with generated music
because that it doesn't have to pay the artists and
(27:38):
that can just print money for itself essentially, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But so Zach, I can't imagine myself ever going onto
a Spotify or an Apple Music or iHeart and like
wanting to listen to a robot over a real human being.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I just can't imagine myself ever doing that. Is that
actually a concern?
Speaker 15 (27:54):
Well, you might already be. I mean, you know, so
Spotify's already kind of been getting a hot honor because
it's already been you know, for the past however many
years it's been paying like Swedish beat farms to kind
of just get you know, sort of producers to make yeah,
you know, and other.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I'd love to visit all beat farms.
Speaker 15 (28:14):
Yeah, they're not, they're not. They're not racist towards other
beat farms, but they do. The Swedes seem to have
a bit of a leg up in the race on
the beat farm front, where basically, you know, there's different
beat farms. You just pay some guy, you know, two
hundred bucks to like knock you up like sort of
elevator muzak, you know, and then if you if they
populate playlists with that, they don't have to pay the
(28:34):
same rates that they would you know, like a jazz
musician who they've brought off like a actual music label
or something. But now with AI, you can cut the
Swedish beat farm out, you know, and you can just
generate your own things. So obviously you're not going to
want to go listen to listen to Taylor Swift. You're
probably not gonna listen to the robot Taylor Swift over
real Taylor Swift. If you're just putting on music to
like hang out in my jocks too, or like music
(28:56):
to have on in the background while I'm listening to
Will and Woody and then that stuff, they can just
fill up with, like we're just like whatever music to
run to. And so a lot of those artists on
those like music to chill to, music to hang out to.
If you click on them, there's like nothing there, you know,
are You're right?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
They curate those players where they're like your your chill
mix for today totally, but you.
Speaker 15 (29:18):
Would never choose to listen to that, But they're choosing
for you, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't even read no choice, yeah yeah yeah.
And when you and I realized recently with Spotify, for example,
you can't not choose smart shuffle like if you've made
a playlist, yeah you can't. You can choose either repeat
or shuffle, but it instantly goes you're smart shuffling, which
means after we've shuffled your songs on the playlist, we'll
(29:44):
start throwing in some rope dust that we know is
for this playlist.
Speaker 15 (29:48):
And it's an existential problem for Spotify because you can understand,
even up till now, I mean everyone's Spotify. It's massive,
it's taken up music. Spotify still hasn't turned a profit,
I'm pretty sure up until now, so because they pay
out too much, like a lot of those big companies,
you know, like they're just they're still in the rep you.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Know, wow.
Speaker 15 (30:07):
So which is why they're pivoting the podcast. And that's
also why they're pivoting to aim music.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And I read in this book a little while ago,
this You've ill Know, a Harari book called twenty one
Lessons for the twenty first Century, where he was saying
that what they've done is they've managed to map what notes,
what frequencies, and in what succession create emotion for you,
and so they can map that onto music.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Like the Brown Sound.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm not sure what the Brown sound is. So there's
a particular the book, but he basically said, you'll be
able to go on to your Spotify these days and
you won't even say, hey, give me a chill playlist.
You'll you'll go on there and you'll walk into your
house and you go, hey, Alexa, I want to feel hopeful,
and you won't even you won't even get a playlist.
You'll just get like hours of the music that you
(30:53):
want to feel, because you know, it kind of takes
out the middle man of going like, oh, which artist
makes me feel a certain way? I don't like track
three because you know it is that? Is that going
to be a things?
Speaker 15 (31:03):
I mean, it could be. I mean if that's what
people want, you know, I mean we on a consumer
demanding so we just want to hit a point where
I don't you want to have to think about what
to listen to, what to care about? Hey maybe you.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Know and so are you saying, well that it would
be bespoke to your brain, so like your brain would
respond differently.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Sure, I'm sure, I mean, Zach can correct me if
I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure. The way that
the software is working right now, it's constantly tailoring what
it's giving you based on your brain.
Speaker 15 (31:28):
Well, that's what it claims through doing. It claims through
start of personalizing everything for everybody, but then kind of
complicated because in the same notion, it's kind of catching
you from daylight when you're like a three year old
or four year old now and it's like your case,
so that in the other hand, it's personalizing everything for you.
And then in a way I feel like it's kind
of personalizing us all towards each other.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
You know, you don't rifting like that's that's record.
Speaker 15 (31:52):
Concerts or whatever. You know.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So, so, Zach, does this scare you?
Speaker 10 (31:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I mean, I know, in and of your own right
a great musician, and I know how much you love music.
Should musicians actually be worried about this? Because, I mean,
this whole record has been released in the UK because
the UK is thinking about changing their laws so that
I think they can make it easier for AI models
to make music, and that's what they're worried about all
(32:19):
the musicians, and naturally musicians are going to be worried
about that. But is it actually like a real present
threat for musicians?
Speaker 15 (32:26):
I mean, yeah, for the to make money. It is.
I mean, you could argue that already, like musicians have
been screwed for quite some time. Probably Spotify was already
just a huge death to you know. I read some
brutal star recently. It's like there's like two hundred thousand
musicians I think worldwide that are able to make money
off its compared to something like four or five million
influences in the US alone. Wow, so already like no one,
(32:49):
like most people can't earn a profit anyway, because everyone's
paying fifteen bucks a month for all of the music
that's ever existed, when you know, ten years ago you
paid twenty bucks for one album, you know, to make
economics of it are kind of like you don't really
like don't add up. But then now yeah, you've got
you can just have all this fake music that's taking
out another chunk of that. It's a big problem. The
(33:11):
bigger problem is that, like people are complaining about the
UK law, but actually if you made it so that
they couldn't you know, you put the copywriters stronger so
that they can't train the models. That probably also doesn't
fix the problem either, for a whole bunch of you know,
bland legal reasons that I could tell you, but yeah,
musicians are in big trouble in general.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
So what needs to change in zac like like even
putting AI to one side here, Like, you're obviously very
across this stuff. You're a musician yourself, So what would
need to change? Because I'm really concerned that we're going
to live in a world where you know, there are
less musicians and then less amazing music being made. What
needs to change for that to you know, to make
sure the musicians or.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Not not less amazing music being made because the AI,
the computers are just smacking out of the park the terminators.
Speaker 15 (33:52):
Yeah, about when we used to listen to human music? No,
I honestly is a really simple answer, which is that
people need to kind of go out and buy music,
which is not a Spotify subscription for fifteen bucks a month.
You've got to go out and like buy records, go
to shows, and like put a bit more into it
(34:13):
to like directly support people rather than kind of going, oh,
I've spent fifteen bucks for all the music ever and
now I'm listening to a bunch of robot chunks that
Spotify is feeding me, and like it's a shame. There's
no musicians anymore.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
You know, well said, well said kind of feels like
what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I think my terrifying part about this is, well, I
don't think Zach mentions earlier obviously we've both got daughters
as well. Is that, like they're listening to Spotify from
that young they're going to have their own account by
the time they're five years old. How to know where
their music choosing begins and where Spotify starts choosing for them?
And if you told me that a robot could get
her to calm down at any time, you do it,
I'm getting that robot involved.
Speaker 15 (34:53):
Yeah, I'll just have a chip in their brains. But
you know, by the time Arra growing up, it'll just
be playing on the soundtrack all the time automatically.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Oh oh my god, exact. It's been good. I told
you not to scare us. I gave you one job,
Zach Cooper on Will and what do he made? Thanks
so much, that was awesome pleasure. We're going to find
out which generation is most out of touch.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Alone.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
It's Will and.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Woodiest, all of the j as too. I think, very
very honest mid thirty year olds.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Will.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think we are we're just at the nucleus of
all pop culture. We can.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
We get what the young kids are up to, and
we're fully across history.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
As well, we get we get the oldies.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, we stand astride both exactly right, zeitgeists exactly what
we are the Zeitgeist.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
And at last, on the other hand, you're on the
interests what the TikTokers are doing and what the which.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Is very important and quite in like has a lot
of information in it that you should be across.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So okay, you know, anyway, underwhelming underwhelming, which is very important.
We find my geography teacher in U nine. Nobody cares, mate,
all right, hey, let's do it, shall we? Yeah, okay,
We've got another bit of audio to play you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I've done six pretty well in the past.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You've been good, you have been good. Okay, can you
sing the next part of this song? Okay?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
A strange thing happened when you're gone round the Twist.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Or something like that. I really has there been a
reboot there that we don't know about?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Do you know about that run the Twist on ABC?
OG runs mustuns like no like it must have been
like early days.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I'm angry at the budget of the Australian broadcast and
commissioned that it's still a win.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
No, I still a win, f rust though, because we
made such good stuff. They're doing reruns now because they're
not very good.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I haven't got their own show, their own show. I
will take all right, what have you?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Okay, guys, who is Nikky Blonski a blondst She's blonde.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Blonk Ski, not bondy blonk Ski, as in like sky.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
How do you spell a surname?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I've just putting it, you know, well, yeah, blonk Ski.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It sounds like a fake name.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
B l o n s k Y.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Blonde, Blosky Blosky.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
B l o n blonde ky blonde.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Nicky Blondski. Yeah, Blonsky blonde sky Blonski. Shocking name. I
think it needs to be said. It sounds like it's fake.
Is it someone in the gen Z calendar?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
No, to be honest, this is someone from a few
years ago, like, and by a few, I don't mean
like two years ago. I'm talking maybe twenty forty.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Oh okay, eleven years ago.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, so you should know. Did the PR run the
Big PR?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think she's an artist. I think she's a musician.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Singer Yep Blonsky, what song see.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm in the right area. That's good, in the right
area when you get that.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah, she wants more. What'd you sing? Well?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Is that is that?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That's part of that's that's a spray.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
She's in hairspray.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
She's in hairspray at the stage show or the movie.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
The movie with a Volta Walter.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yes, she plays Tracy turned Blair.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't care. You should think.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Should because do you know the website cameo?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I don't care analys Who is Jennifer love Hewitt.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
She's an actress. She was in a season maybe I
don't know what, but she was in Criminal Minds at
some stage.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Criminal Minds.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, she's definitely Criminal Minds.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
They've all done Criminal Minds. Give me one more.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
She's a she's a big actress. She has brown hair,
like shortish bobby kind of vibe. I think I'm nail.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Criminal Minds.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Criminal Minds.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's, like I said, like a law and order, but
it goes from the perspective of the criminal. Yeah, right,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
The b are you?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
B are you?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
The Behavioral Intetelligence Unit
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