🎤 Extended Chat: Nedd Brockmann On Resilience, Anger And Motivation

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Gooday, guys, we were incredibly lucky to have a chat
with Ned Brockman.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
If you don't know who he is, he's just.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
An extraordinary blow incredibly inspiring. He ran from Codderslow to
Bondi Beach, so he ran across Australia in like forty
six and a half days, which broke records etc. He
was rarning one hundred k's a day. It's just a
phenomenal effort and the guy behind that journey is truly phenomenal.

(00:34):
And we got a chance to just understand how you
can mentally and physically get through something so grueling. And
I mean, for me, a massive takeaway from this chat,
which I hope you guys get as well, is that
his mindset around motivation and resilience and just the way

(00:56):
that he approaches every single day when he wakes up,
it could be life changing.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Quite seriously, it could be life changing.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
So this is just another example of a Share my
Mood chat. It's these chats we hope to do with
so many more people where we get to really, you know,
delve into who they are and their approach to life,
as opposed to know the five or ten minutes we
get with them on air, So I hope you enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
He's got a new milk, Ned's milk dot com if you.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Want to see where he is in Australia dishing out
his milk, and then I'm sure it'll be in stores
and whatnot. But Ned's Milk with two d's if you
want to check out where to get.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
His milk from.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Otherwise, get bloody motivated by Ned Brockman.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Enjoy and we are here with a man who I'm
in just called clinically insane Woods.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, definitely insane. I don't know if it's clinically insane,
but he's definitely insane. But I think, I mean it's
Ned Brockman. If you haven't guessed, lady, just not the
description of but from what I understand there, you really
lean into the insanity.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
I as yet paid paid whatever it is of the board.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Yeah, let's get this is the bit that struck me.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
So, I mean, I'm sure we've done all this in
the intro, but three nine and fifty three k's in
forty six and a half days Cot has load of
BONDI in a story that like captured the nation.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
The world.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
And body oh the.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
World that is truly like, as I said, insane. I
want to talk to you about the mental side of
that a little bit later on, because that that really
fascinates me. But there's a photo here, and maybe this
is a good place to start for this chat. There's
a photo here. We've got your book here, by the way.
It's called Showing Up Ned brockman Ford by Hamish Blake.
If you don't mind, you can get it up available

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or good bookstores.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
There's a photo here.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
You've got a couple of these little photo pages in here,
which all good bios have got.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Absolutely it's you just screaming.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
We're yelling yep, And it says end of day three,
starting to feel the freedom of deliberate insanity.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
What's that about?

Speaker 5 (03:02):
I think like through the evolution of my last three
or four years, it has the best living, the most
the most living I get out of life is when
I'm in those really tough pursuits of whatever it is
I'm trying to do, and when I'm in it, when
I'm finally in it, because for so long I'm thinking
about it and thinking about it, and when I'm finally

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in it, you know, I'm day three. There I've still
got three thy seven hundred k to go, and I
you know, I'm in the most pain I've ever.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Felt before, right yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
And also because relative to that point in my life,
that was the most pain it felt. It got exponentially
accelerated up until like day eleven and then day Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
My mind is because of that stage, You've run two
hundred and fifty kilometers.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Right yeah, run into day three with standard k.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, you're running one hundred kilometers a day. So yeah,
even though you're right, it seems early to be in
pain in days.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I was already run.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I was from eighty k out of Perth.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, okay, but yeah, there's there's nothing like that, that
idea of like we're in it. Let's like, this is freedom.
This is freedom of me because I get to feel everything.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
You know, when's the first time? Because obviously, so did
this run happened?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
What year was this?

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Right?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
This was exactly a year ago.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I finished tomorrow a year ago before we're talking about Sorry,
I finished today a year ago today.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Year yeah, today, year ago three days in the freedom
of deliberate insanity is the quote. So you're saying that
the freedom is because you're choosing the what's not the
conventional path there and not the conventional path is I'm

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going to effectively put myself through more pain than I've
ever put myself through, And that's liberating for you to
the extreme right, It is also making the decision of
doing something and saying I'm going to do it and
committing to it. So when I'm there, there's no other
option than getting it done.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
So you're in it. You're now in it. Let's go,
let's find a way.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
So the freedom is in the discipline.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
That you're the freedoms in the Yeah, it's probably the
thing that no one's doing. It's being out there and
showing and proven to myself, proven to everyone else that
it can be done. Okay, and just indulging in all
those feelings, because for so many of us, we just
go on with our day and don't feel those extreme highs,

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and so feeling those extreme lows will bring those extreme highs.

Speaker 6 (05:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Have you always been this way as a kid? Were
you seeking out uncomfortability?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
I don't think I was seeking it like intentionally. I
think I had a there's probably a part of my
nature I'm probably predisposed to wanting to find out you know,
lengths of things and go to do. Probably part of
my personality, I guess was a bit adventurous. I probably
never put my finger on it. It probably never went like, hey,

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I've got to do this because I'll be able to
grow if I get intentionally uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
But when I'm out of school, I went, oh, that's
probably what that was.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
You know, all this getting told I couldn't make the
top quard or getting told I couldn't be in the
first fifteen, it was always like, well, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Watch me, I'm gonna at some point, something's gonna break.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Someone's gonna give where I'm gonna If i'd keep showing up,
I keep wanting to do these things, it's gonna it's
gonna give them. And that's kind of probably. Now I
can reflect on that, I'm like, yeah, that definitely was
part of my whole upbringing. But and leading you to
that point, yeah, I think, and I think I've just
tapped into it. I think I've just gone like I've
found when I do these hard things, what I get

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out of it is just like what I find is
purpose in life, Like just those really cool hard things
to overcome when you do achieve them.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's just like, well, what's next.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's a good question. Actually, when you said what's next,
does that does that kind of scare you at all?
So you finished something like the the one hundred days,
I mean, in fact, I know the Belt of marathon.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Was on yesterday actually forty six days.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Forty six days, So you've finished, you finished something like
running across Australia. And as I saying, the marathon was
on here yesterday and Melbourne, I was watching people finish
the marathon and walk home and there was kind of
like this malaise around a lot of the people. And
that's what I was seeing anyway, because like, oh, you
finished a marathon.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
Oh what do I do now? I walk to my car.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
You know, I probably got to go and feed my kid.
You finish this and you've got everybody talking about you,
and maybe it's not the next day, maybe it's not
the day after that, maybe it's a week after that.
Inevitably you're going to have a moment where you got
to you know, the higher you go, the harder you fall.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Does that happen, Yeah, that.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Happens a big time. I did.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
I ran fifty marathons fifty days in twenty twenty when
I kind of had a crash after that that I'd
never expected, and you know, I thought I was just
the man.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
I could keep going.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Yeah, And I had a pretty big crash from that,
and I was, you know, probably pretty depressed for the
better part of four months. Yeah, right, because I I'd
seen my life head in a certain way and then
it to all be derailed and.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
How to get back on the tools and had to go,
you know, do all.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Because you're spiky by trade.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, and it.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Kind of was like this, Oh, hold up, You've got
to actually reward your body for putting you know, you
put it through so much. Yeah, you have to also,
any you go for a certain distance, you have to
give that double time to relate.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
And so I went through that with the fifty and fifty.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
So when the run across the country happened, I was well,
I was well aware something was going to give when
I when I finished, and I allowed that to happen.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
So, you know, two weeks post.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
I was sorry. So you were ready for it.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
I was like, yeah, I've been through this. I know
I'm gonna have a crash. When you have that high
like that is I talk about this, like I've definitely
heard on a Ted talk before. But it's like, if
you live in the four to six, right, you only
feel the six.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Is the high and the fours you're low. So the
low isn't that bad? High isn't that amazing?

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Right? If you feel a ten high, you're going to
feel a one low, and so you're just like, yeah,
of course. So if if you like you see those
scenes in Bondo and they're in the book, like the images,
it's like the crowd can't you can't, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Want no one should be taking that in.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
It's just so fucking much.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And then you've got messages from Jimmy Barnes.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Getting on stage with Barnsy but like that is yeah,
you're gonna obviously crash from that, right, But I have
no there's no need for me to do another thing. Right,
that's only because I want to.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
I don't need to live up to anyone's expectations of me.
And what's there, brock, we're going to do next? It's
only because I want to do it. I would never
do it because there's pressure externally. It's only because I
know what I get out of doing it and the
ability I can.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I have to help people. That's what's cool.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
He did raise ten million dollars for you.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Get your facts, mate.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
He let it worry.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
The next goal is to raise tenre So.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
You say that there's no ex about what you're doing
next coming, I feel.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Like you're talking a lot about the mental side there,
that that mental crash. Can I focus on the physical
crash though, because it feels like you're a man who
enjoys an endorphin YEP, which is obviously the chemical that's
released when you are exercising. So you finish a run
across the country, I imagine physically, how long was it
that you couldn't run for?

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Really?

Speaker 5 (10:25):
I probably should have been stopping about day five into
the run. But running on that sort of damage from
day five is going to delay your recovery a lot
of time, right, Yeah, in terms of like a drenal state,
I was so exhausted as soon as I finished. I
was probably a week where I was still panicking of
a night like I'd wake up screaming about the road
trains coming stop on the watch, like wake up stop

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on my watch, just because I I once even woke
up and spat at the wall because I was spitting
so much on the run, I'd full golly on the phone.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Even bear with the girlfriend at that stage was left.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Right, Yeah, you can't be doing that. I'm like, what
do I do? So you just spat on the wall,
that's true, Yeah, and I probably shouldn't be.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
But like after that, after the two weeks, I kind
of started sleeping better than my body started to actually recover,
and then it just crashed. So as soon as I
get my heart rate up, it would go so high
like it would it would just thump out of my
chest and then like I had twelve my eyes when
I finished. Yeah, I had injections in my hips, my knees,
my ankles. I'm still like dealing with foot stuff. But there,

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that's the price you have to pay. I haven't done
the load.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I haven't.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
I haven't ran for twenty twenty five years. I only
picked it up three years ago. So the price I
was willing to pay was all these injuries, all this
like of sleep, all this time off it right in
order for me to be able to do it, I
had to accept that. And so yeah, like the physical stuff,
I've probably like it's now a year, I'm I'm back
to where.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
I was when I started.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, okay, great, but that's that's.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Been a long time coming.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Wow, I suppose that's what I When you run across
the country in three hundred days, I love that.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
You could you know? I was about to buy it?

Speaker 6 (12:07):
So close, so close?

Speaker 7 (12:10):
Good?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's crazy how we raised two point seven billion.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
There's a wonderful story or just a very interesting story
about this this anger factor while you were running and
taking it out.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Of the people that were with you. Can you talk
to you about that?

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yeah, So day day eleven, I was basically on this record, right.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
I was eleven days, eleven hundred k in.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Everything was going terrific, and then I got this injury
in my shin which prevented me from be able to
keep running.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Right.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
We went throve forty hours to near a s MRI.
I got the injection, came back, found a way to
get through it. But I was three days behind, and
I was in that much pain. I'd injected my shin
in three different spots. I'd lost all function of my
foot up and down. So we use this device called
a dictus band that basically is a rubber band that
goes through your laces ties to your ankle and allows

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every time you.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Lift your hip up your foot wall come up.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Then it will lift and you go found a way
because it was just so overused this tenant and.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was in like I was in like some of
the most severe pain.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
And I remember just like for the first eleventh to
thirteen days, I was just like taking it out on
the road.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Trains on the road killed. I was just like screaming
myself and I was trying my best to not take
it out on everyone there. But if you're there in that,
you're going to feel the good.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
And I remember on day fifteen, Gemma, who was my girlfriend,
we were she was driving along and we've pulled up
and I remember just like looking at her and being
just so angry. It wasn't it her, but that's who
I took it out of. I remember she just.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Like was like, I do not have to be here? R.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, I didn't deserve it, and drove off twenty k
had all the food and water left me out.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Longest twenty k in my life. That's not why we
broke up.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
And then she's had She's got to the van where
Mum and dad were for the forty k stop and
I've I've rocked up, you know, with my life.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, and Mum's.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
Just hopped out of the van and just like looked
at me and I was like, oh no, you know,
they're like the one the eyes you get when you're
a kid and you go, does that You're wrong?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
She's like, don't you ever speak to her like that again.
You speak to us like that.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
We're here for you.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
This is not about you can't take it out on us.
We're here, We're sacrificing our time here for you, so
you need us on your team.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Stop doing that.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
And I just was like this big realization that I
probably was pushing these guys away and the most important
thing was like going, hey, no, they're here for you.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Don't take it out on them. Just like do what
you got to do.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
And as soon as after that happened, it was just
like everyone accepted that the one hundred K you've just
got to let ned.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Be and he's done.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
But as soon as I finished, it was like, right,
our guys, we're all friends. Let's go, let's get the
day done.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Let's go have a shower, go do everything. And I
was happy, ready to go again.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
What do you mean by except that Ned's going to be
and he's done, Like like, just accept that your behavior
wasn't going to be how you would behave normally.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Of course, because in order to get through what I
was going through, I couldn't give anyone the way they
probably need it.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
And then I was being like.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
That's fascinating.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
You have to be selfish, yeah, because in order to
do it, you can't try and take everyone else's emotions.
You can't try and take And even though I was
pushing that on everyone, I think my mum even goes, hey, everyone,
if you have any problems, just get.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Your diary out, write what Ned said on what day?
Bring it up to day forty eight? Shit, yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Get you write it up and then and then bring
it up with him later.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Do not bring up with him now because that energy
to go. Why'd you bring that up now? Would just
you know, take it out of what that was?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
That should be the book, I reckon The book should
be everything we wanted to bring up with.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think this about producers as well, Like I think
there's such an art in acknowledging that, like you've got
your own gear going on and you're trying to support someone,
But then like like you managed to hold onto people
who it's such a skill to be able to go, hey, look,
you've got your shit going on, but as a producer,
I can't impose mine on you. That must be so

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hard for people that are around you.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
And that is now.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
I'm glad Australia doesn't have airports on the nuther Ball
that's potential because it would.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Have been on our first flight out of there. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
I think that's why Mum was so abrupt with it,
because she knew if this fractures, yeah, Mum's staying.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
But she didn't want to be just there with her
and that.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah, she was like I need Gen, I need Brad,
I need Belly, you need you know, everyone there.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
Yeah, like it was your breakdown, but don't take it
out of other people.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
Yeah, Wow, that's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
It was really cool.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Now mate, do we want to talk about the beautiful
product that's sitting in front of you? Yeah, Like we
said pretty early on, you know what's next and it
must be very difficult after doing achieving something like that
running across Australia, you know what do you put your
attention into? Yep, And it appears you've put your attention
into a culinary delight.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
A good old fashioned chocking milk, bloody ripper. How good that.
I was not expecting that.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
So what's the connection to chocky milk?

Speaker 5 (17:03):
Well, finally enough, every single day I'd finish a run,
so I'd eat so many calories along the run.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
I was trying to Yeah, and what are.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
We talking like?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Like literally just as many is there a fitness program
there is it?

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Just like because I know I'd.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Access to food on the null ball is limited, tough, okay,
so anything you can store? Yeah, and choky milk was
one of those you could write.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
I heard Michael Phelps.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
He basically just gets told eat as much CAFs as
you can because that's the only thing with enough calories
because you're burning that much energy in the same areas.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I just eat as much fatty food as you can.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
I was just eating as much as I could. I've
got food fatigued, to be honest, like I was trying
to burn. I was burning twelve thousand calories a day, right,
just like four thousand times?

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Can you get that numbers? Throw them out there. There's
my freedom right there.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Down four times the amount of daily intake, right, So
trying to stomach that while.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Four thousand times you daily.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Four times, four times, four times that was extraordinary.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Four times you needed to because what I was burning.
And then to try and eat that while running one
hundred kDa. I don't know if you guys have tried
running on full stomachs. It's not it'sne at all. And
so what I was really good at was I'd eat,
and I probably wouldn't eat enough throughout the day, but
as soon as I'd finished, I'd go straight into a
choking milk with a six hundred milk chocing milk beautiful
or five hundred whatever was there, and then lemonade, electrolyte

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and water, just liquids, because last you wanted to do
is eat again. As soon as I finished, so choking
milk and then chocing milk for calcium, protein, sugar straight
back in mate. Unbelievable, best thing ever, best recovery ever.
And so I was like, why don't why not make
our own? This is something like you know, everyone does
all these stuff, but I'm like, this will like how

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good to have your own choking milk.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Class That's the whole idea behind it too. I was like,
I want to.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
I want to you know, the whole homelessness thing and
making sure we raised that ten billion dollars we want
to raise.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, every bottle will give back.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
So that was that was something I wanted to do,
is continue to fuel that ecosystem of giving back to
experiencing homelessness.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
And this time rounds you are going to be going
from Bondi to Coddters Low. Yeah, except this time you're
taking a car.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Taking a milk van. Take my milk van much quicker.
I don't know if it's going to be more boring,
but so yeah, we go.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Are you like, do you can you.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Be tempted when you're in your milk van because I
know you're going to be handing out milks all the
way from Bondi to Cotter's Low Dragon. There'll be a
chance that on that drive you'll go, buddy, hell, I
love this leg. When I ran across the I want
to get out.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
And I'm a bit nervous because I feel like I'm
going to feel some things out there.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Like yeah, right, I feel one with that that old
another boy, you know, like it was like I left
a lot of me out there.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
That was a toilet remark. But anyway, didn't really hit,
did it.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Wait, so on toilet there wouldn't be that many toilets
on the number board nothing, So what I mean I
left a lot of me out.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
So yeah, no, that's the milk. Milk.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, And before I want to talk about
the milk one more time, because you said to me
before we started this chat, you you were hands on
with the actual production of the milk, the taste, what
was going in there?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
What what makes your milk better than everyone else's milk?

Speaker 5 (20:32):
I well, well, it tastes terrific, twenty six grams of protein,
but tastes just like a choky milk. That's kind of
the That's what I wanted. I didn't want it to
be just a choky milk filled with sugar. Where it's like,
is amazing. So it's a bit less than your ordinary
choky milk sugar content and higher protein, but it doesn't
taste like a high protein energy you know, protein drink.

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So it's like the beautiful mix of both. And yeah,
the whole taste tests of chocut milk. What a treat
that is.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
So you're in a factory somewhere just drinking milks.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Going choking milk a bit more of this, Can we
talk about choking milk connoisseur? Yeah, and it comes.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
In a coffee flavor as well, as we've got.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
A nice coffee as well, because a lot of the
country drink a whole lot of ice coffee.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
Yeah. They do.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Certain type of people, certain type of people, My type
of people. Mate.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
Yeah, I've got another.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Question for you, which which I'm really really very interested
in asking. From a psychological point of view, it sort
of occurs to me that there are two sorts of
people who put themselves in those areas, right, and who
and in that environment. So let's elite athletes, soldiers, people
that need to confront some level of pain or fear. Right,

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everyone talks about the fact that physically you're capable of
doing it, right, even if even if for people listening now,
I strip it back to let's say that you're scared
about going down a hill on a skateboard, or let's
say that you're scared about surfing a wave, right, because
there's a level of fear there. Right, Everyone talks about
the fact that the thing that you're up against there

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is not physically whether you can do it.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
Or not.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Physically you can do it, but scientifically you can do it.
It's the mental, it's the mental part of it. And
it occurs to me that there's sort of two ways
to deal with that. You can either go down the
path of actively cultivating positive thoughts, so like working really
hard to think good about yourself and what you're doing
and how you're going to get there projecting onto it.

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Or you've got this other option, which is sort of
disassociating from your thoughts, realizing that they're just thoughts and
not letting them impact you. What road do you go
down to deal with the mental demon which I which
I imagined followed.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
You for forty six and a half days, both.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Right simply and like consciously actively fighting against it.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Or so there's the element of the positive reinforcement is
a massive one. I think I'm probably more inclined of
like the whole idea of once I accept that I'm
going to do something, I then go, well, the pain
is going to be there, so just be with it.
And so that's usually when I sit it on my
shoulder and go, well give me more pain, come on,

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come on.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Going to be there anyway. So if you can accept it.
Of course you get the freedom from it.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Absolutely, And a lot of people when they make the decision,
they don't actually make a decision. Decision is there is
only one result and that's doing it.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
Where this is the showing up fact.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I mean, this is what your book's called, and this
is your this is your philosophy because there you're there
a lot of.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
People make the decision and then actually the decision isn't
made because you know the price tag what they have
to pay for the thing they need actually isn't going
to be paid for because they didn't accept that it
was going to be this painful, it was going to
be this lack of sleep, it was going to be
this it got too hard, and they go, oh, actually
didn't want to do it, So you didn't You never
really ever wanted to do it. So for me, it's
like you make that decision and you do it regardless.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Of how did you come to terms with Like did
you know beforehand when he said, like you knew what
the price tag? How did you know exactly what that
was going to be? How did that not get bigger
on you?

Speaker 5 (24:04):
I didn't, I couldn't know, but I had accepted whatever
was to come it would be it.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
And the other is the positive side.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
What does that look like? Like, how do you accept you?

Speaker 5 (24:15):
For years prior, you developed this idea of choosing the
more uncomfortable option every single day, and you research, you go, well,
if someone has done this, why can I not do it?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
What's my limiting factor? Why they better than me? It's
not true.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
As long as you have the ability to run, you
can keep putting one foot in front of the other.
There's no genetic predisposition to be able to wake up
better than someone else. Like you know what I mean,
Like you go to sleep nine pm the night before.
If I'm going to wake up four am, I'm gonna
wake up four am. There's no one better at that.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
That's a choice.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
You have to wake up every morning and choose that.
Because for you to get what you need to do,
you have to choose that. Can You have to choose
that every single day. And that's what that's showing up
the other to be able.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
To help that.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
That is the way the positi if comes to.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
So, so just back to what I was saying before.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
So, on the one hand, you've got this what I
would call a disassociation from thought. But that's for you,
which comes with full acceptance of it. All of that
shit's going to happen. I absolutely accept that all that's
going to happen. And I've got a process, and if
I stick to the process, then the thoughts aren't going
to get big on me because all I'm focusing on
is the process, of.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Course, but also the idea of like I touched on
it before, but the layering of uncomfortable things.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Okay, yeah, yeah, cool, cook coo cool, But that is
still a I'm going to rock up.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
I'm going to show up.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I'm going to show up to show up, and uncomfortability
doesn't get big on because you're used to.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
It, You've done it, You've done familiar again, Okay, every day.
Every day is a conscious decision to how can I
get more uncomfortable? Okay, how can I get more uncomfortable?

Speaker 5 (25:48):
How can I get in my shower and there's a
hot tap, there's a cold tap. Well, the cold tap
is going to be the one that I turn on.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
What are your thoughts to do everything everything?

Speaker 5 (25:58):
When I only I don't do it all the time.
I do it when I've said I'm going to do
an event. So if my lead up is a year
to this event. Every single day towards that after I've
made myself accountable, is like, how are you going to
be that psychopath that gets to this start line and
finish it?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
And every day You're going to constantly make yourself every
single day, so when the uncomfortability comes up, you're like, well.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Every single day and.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Is as well, I imagine we spoke about this as stuff.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
You're just like you feel this like you're elevated, you're levitating,
and you.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Run on this energy that is very few people. It
feels just like.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Because you're not, because you're not like subconsciously, because what
your mind doing all the time is like prioritizing things
I want to do that, I want to do that.
Then you lose this sense of prioritizing, which means that
you're not actually I mean like this is very Eastern
philosophical point, but you're almost like losing this sense of
intrinsic desire, which which we all have. You're you're not
trying to please yourself or gratify yourself ultimately, so you're

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saying that you have more choice.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, that's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
We always been a lot of time, like mental time,
avoiding uncomfortable stuff.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
We try to, like we always try to easy read.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
How can I the easiest the easiest, whereas you're so
right because you do the opposite.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
It makes the when you do gain it this beautiful
and most amazing thing.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
You're sort of like rising.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
You're rising above your what your your small sense of
self wants and living in this space where well, that's
why I don't care about my small sense of self wants.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I've sort of overcome that.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Immediate immediate, not gratitude, but immediate. You know, you when
you gain things instantly, it's like the worst thing you
can do is because well we're all get our phones out.
Don't mean it's gratification or food from an app or
whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
It's like, you know, we used to have to kill
for food, so you would celebrate that.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
Yeah, yeah, we used to.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
You know, all these things. The other I do want
to say, like the positive good.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
That's fascinating. So it was part one. It was just
it was just a really.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Interesting answer because I knew when I was the reason
I was asking the question, is that again, from like
an Eastern philosophical point of view, that they would talk
about either fully accepting your thought and then just knowing
that they're there and seeing them come and go. But
that takes a lot of practice, and to hear that
your practice to do that's not meditating necessarily, it's like
actively just choosing the path which you don't want and
then hence disassociating from what your desires are day to

(28:14):
day means that you're going to stop pushing things away
and trying to move to things you want and you
kind of rise above it.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
That's awesome. But the other part of that was cultivating
your thoughts. So go with that.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
So every single day, once I make that decision to
do what I'm going to do, you ask me how
I am. I will say I have never been better than.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Since the first thing you se when you walked and
I was like, hey, you're going you go mate, I'm awesome.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
I'm always awesome, never been better.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
I've never ever, ever, ever been better than am today.
Because that's true. I haven't, like I've just up until
this point, everything has led me to hear. Right now,
in the moment, we're all energy, we're all just here,
you and I are talking about this, I've never been
better than right now.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
But what about when you wake up your days in
Italy and you're about to have a day with a
beautiful lunch with all your closest people.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Then that's the best day up until now.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
Every day, every single day you get to wake up,
it should be that you are feeling. There are obviously
there's emotions and things happen. There are times where I
say I'm not good today, like that. That's not I'm
not lying, like I'm not saying this to hide the
fact that I'm not good.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
I'm actually saying that.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Like, what a freaking privilege it is that we're on
this planet for some of us eighty years, some of
us fifty, some twenty, and we get to be here
to do what we want to do.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
How would to give some advice people listening, because I
think ninety nine percent of people would not have that attitude.
I say nine undercent people would get up and go, oh,
I've got this on today, I've got this on today.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
This is going to be a crap, it's going to
get through it, right. How did you get to this
mindset getting uncomfortable?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
It's the it's the complete that's the answer is because
it puts perspective on your life and other people's lives.
And when you hear people complain about how unfortunate their
life is, you go, well, actually, do you want me
to put a mirror up and go, well, let's look
at a few people. Let's talk about their life and unless,
like you cannot complain about living here in Australia, there's

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a lot I know, there's a lot of different circumstances.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
I've got to be careful of that, right. It's a choice.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
You have a choice every single day to wake up
and go I'm going to choose to be happy. I'm
going to choose to be a certain way. Like it's
a choice to wake up and go.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I'm opian miserable to your mindset. And I'll tell you,
if you keep telling yourself that you've never been better,
you will wake up never better because these power of
words the link between your brain and your body. When
you start telling yourself that you've never been better, your
body's like I haven't, I've never been pretty good. Yeah,
And it's fascinating.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
And then you start winning and you're like, oh shit,
if I keep saying that, I'll be able to keep
waking up and going again.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I read an article recently and this is all fascinating stuff.
I read an article recently about burnout and have burnout
is very common with people at the moment that they're
working too hard or doing too much, et cetera. Right,
what do you think of the concept of burnout, because
it sounds like for you, even if you were even
if the feeling.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Of fatigue was starting to hit you.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Right, and I'm saying in dat to day life, maybe
not running across Australia, it sounds like you would still
show up.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yep, you do what you have to do.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Right, Does that put you in danger of getting to
a space or place where you've done too much or
maybe you needed rest.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
I'm sure there's a world in which if I accept
that maybe I am burnt out, I'd go on a
six week you know, trip to somewhere and just try
and reset.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
But I don't. I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Like I've hung out with some people who have gone
and one being my father, one being a guy in
America who has spoke about in.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
The book.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Where these people it's a choice, like even when you
start letting these words of burnout or again, so much
research there's PhDs in all this stuff like people are
in I think it comes back to the power of
the mind and if you can continuously say these things
and be positive. And yes, I still rest, like I

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rested for twice as long. Yeah the run, like like
I still you needed to give myself that break, right,
But how.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Long are you going to hold onto being?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Oh you know, it's like we have our time here
on this planet is very limited and you're a long
time dead.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
I want to make the most of the time while
I'm here. Yeah, well, Seid, yeah, well we are we
who knows what happens.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
But the only thing we do know is that you
have this and that's it.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, yeah, do you have milk? Obviously? But like so
we've got a period of time, right, is there a
bucket list?

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Is September? I got another one?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Holy moly? Have you have you told people about this?

Speaker 4 (32:40):
This nearest and dearest? I can't not now it's.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Away in the circle.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah yeah soon sounds like not right now though, Okay, Grant.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
But there is there is that there is a run
coming in September this year, next year, next year.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
So it's October.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
I mean we should go back down September.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
September next year eleven months you you are again without
giving two munch of a way yep.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
In training.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Ah, I'm actually training for I'm going to do the
twenty four hour pull up record in March. He's wrong
with you, So that's that's that's my current training.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Is it next time? Next time?

Speaker 5 (33:20):
At the eight he's got the eight. Two guys just
went for it this weekend. True at haines Kemer Nanees's son.
He just did eight thousand, one hundred pull up. But
a guy in pull ups, yeah, pull ups in twenty
four hours. But a guy in Queensland, a copper, just
did eight thousand, six hundred in twenty.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Four hours, four hours later than him.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
Oh so yeah, the records eight thousand, six hundred a
moment in twenty four hour, yeah, which is about which
is set six a minute?

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Is eight thousand, six hundred six a minute every minute
for twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
So that that allows me to focus my put my
focus and attention onto pull ups and not necessarily on
my feet because I need to just give myself that
a dream.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
All put your feet up, mates.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
So when's the pull up so much? Much much? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (34:06):
I'm doing about six hundred a day at the moment,
are you telling me you're punching six hundred up to
day at the moment?

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Let's pull up mate?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Sorry that you are.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
You telling me that the reason that you're doing the
pull up thing is because you needed to get off
your feet and you needed another challenge.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, it's the exact same method as the running in
that it's my ability to get uncomfortable for a long
amount of time and for a weird reason.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
The bliss is in the build up. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
Yeah, it's not about course that day, it's.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
About the time that is going to be spent hanging
off as the hands and stuff. I was looking at
those arms, they're starting to like it's that six months
of like, you've got to get up because these pull
ups aren't going to be done for you. You're not
going to get to that day and be prepared. You
have to be prepared for the last six months. And
so that idea of like, well I'm going to be

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spending a lot of time hanging.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Off a bar.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Exit. I love that it excites your mates with Harry Garsai,
don't you. Yeah, you blokes are so soon either a ripper,
He's an absolute riffer.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Ned It's been great to talk to you. I'm sure
we could we could really talk forever. But this has
been really, really fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Honestly, I learned
so much then.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, I really appreciate these questions are really good.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
Great, I was fascinating stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Need's got a brand new book showing up available at
all good bookstores and driving from Cotter's Load to Bondi
this Thursday.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
We've got milk milk in hand, ready to bloody rip
the roof off it, you know, the lid off.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Ned's chugging milk will be out, very very sure that
you guys can get your hands on that or.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
A nice coffee. Ned Brockman spend pleasure legend