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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Rules in the studio.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, there, it is good to have you here, man Man,
thanks for having me brand new album yes out today. Yes,
I'm definitely very all over the place right now.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Mentally, I have no idea what's going on. Sure, I'm
riding all the way up to the finish side. Honestly, it's
like the past two months.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I think I've been in like thirty cities just going
around doing promo and signings. It's been amazing seeing everybody before.
But yeah, my head's gone. But I kind of like
it that way. I can kind of just coast through everything.
I've realized I'm getting. The longer this promo goes on,
the more rogue I am in interviews, the more things
are kind of perfect. My managers are like getting a
little bit more eagle eyed through the Yeah, yeah, I'm

(00:58):
going to.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Start spelling shit that I shouldn't. What have you let
out so far?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think I've liked the whole album at this point. Yeah,
I just keep playing people the songs. I know a
bit of like, you know, it's not out like they
want to have some mystery, but there's no mystery with
me anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Nice, Are you someone who's going to like read all
the reviews and want to hear whatever one thinks on
the day it comes out?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, when they like on the day always, I try
to do complete blackout. I probably try to do that
for as long as possible, maybe like four or five
days that I'll like just be completely like blacked out
from anything, because I think the initial reaction scares the
how out of me. But I think when people get
time to kind of especially just like the core fans,
they have time to kind of listen to it a

(01:40):
few times, gather their thoughts, and then you also have
like the external people who you know, maybe a bit
more judgmental.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Then you've got a full overview. Obviously. Touring is where
you get the proper response like.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
That first, the first hand reaction of us, like me
literally playing the album and seeing what people think if
they applaud or boom, you.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Know, I know, it was just pretty sweet because rates exactly.
It's a kind of yeah, false sense of security change thing.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Though.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I heard you write over two hundred songs for the record.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
That's true, Yeah, way too many songs. That's wild. Two hundred. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I had like the past couple of years to write,
and I moved to La, so I was really locked in.
I think when I'm there, I just all I want
to do is work. I'm not a workaholic in any sense. Yeah,
I get like the bug out there. Surprisingly, it was
kind of easy to pick from the bunch because of
the process that I had. All the way I did
it, it was like every ten songs or so, I would
take one out and put it on the whiteboard and

(02:38):
just like make that Okay, this is a non negotial.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
This has to be on there.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
And then you know, you do that twenty times over
two hundred songs, and then you have twenty that you like,
absolutely love that you need to be on there, and
you can kind of cut from there and yeah, yeah,
it's littl easier. You know, one hundred and forty of
them a trash. It will never come out, So will
never come out, like do they do they live somewhere
that maybe you're going revisiit like down a well, yeah,

(03:02):
it's I would say more like two hundred starting ideas,
you know, like a verse in a court.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, nothing's yeah, you produced or anything.
It's more just super rough demmo.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
You know, maybe one day I can do something to
get them out or you know, some songs on this
record were some of the carry on from last record.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
They didn't make it right. Oh nice, so it all
can kind of carry on.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
You just want to make the whole thing feel cohesive
and in the same project. So that's where a lot
of things get left out. Is not necessary because they're
not good enough, but just because you know, it felt
out of place.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Sure, the record is called Kicking My Feet.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
He's out today. We're going to play World Guests. Very
sure is everyone can hear that? Do you do meet
and grace? You do signings and stuff?

Speaker 4 (03:38):
That's yeah, it's been like the thing. Yeah, it's like
most days.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, I was in Mexico, most of Europe, like a
lot of Asia.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
We go all around Australia. But yeah, we're doing signings.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So can I ask you what's what's the weirdest thing
that you've received at a meet and greet?

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I mean I always go back to like one of
my first tours ever in like twenty eighteen, like when
I was literally a child. Yeah, there was a fan
it was like around the same age as me, like
maybe like fifteen or something, and she gave me a
necklace with her tooth on it. Whoa, like it was
like a moler and she was like, this is like
just came out and she like showed me the gap
and I was like, I want you to you know,

(04:12):
I want you to have this. I was like, so
it's still we Yeah, I've never taken it off, but yeah,
that that was so that I always you know, I
get that question a lot, and that's the first thing
I think of. There's definitely been rogue ones, because I've
spoken about it a lot on interviews, and I remember
some fans are like trying to beat it in a
wearness to become the story. Someone was like someone gave

(04:35):
me like a vile of and inside was like a
needle that was like the blood on it.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
And she was like, this was inside my hand and
I had to get it surgically on you.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
And she like gave that to me in like a
little box, like a like an engagement ring box, and
I was.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like, so do you say to that's like to their face,
You're like, wow, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
And then what happens to the needle.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Look, that's that's that's not your business.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Out today, mate, This is this is wild guests that
we're going to play here on with them. What do
you want to tell one about the song?

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, this is possibly my favorite track of the album.
I think it sums up the record sonically the best.
I think the way this song makes me feel and
the way it's making other people feel.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Is how I what the whole record to make you
feel cool.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
This is the most recent song that I wrote for
the records, with the last one that made it on
Readywood Dan Wilson and Leroy Clampitt leew is a Kiwi
So that was nice to in La to have some
sort of connection to this part.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Of the world. Yeah, the song.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Lyrically kind of speaks for itself, and music video's coming
out soon as well.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Nice can I ask you so just very quickly? So
fourteen you do this?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
You do this? Cover?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
James Blake cover goes bonkers. I think it's a half
million streams in like four days or something, or YouTube
clicks goes wild. You go on Elton John's show over
in the UK, he says you're the best voice he's
ever heard from a singer at fourteen years of age.
This is which is which is crazy? How do you
go being fourteen and Elton John saying you get the

(06:07):
best voice in the world and trying to keep your
feet on the ground, because I can imagine that's not easy.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I think I was still living in Australia and I
think that kind of salts everything out.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
With your family.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think we'll just look the whole culture over here. Yeah, right,
you just from a kid like yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I'm still being in school as well, Like man, I
was so dissociated to it. Kind of how I am
now and how a lot of the reasons why I
can kind of cope and feel like I can stay
myself being Yeah, but I also just yeah, these kind
of milestones that I hit, I try to really think
of it and that it's not me.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's just like it's the brand, it's the team that
I'm working with.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Like I try to not, you know, associate too hard.
I definitely try to not take it in as my own.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's really very mature of you.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I don't know, I think that's definitely my family
kind of you know that in my brain as well.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
I've got two older sisters now.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
So that was six years ago, eight years ago, I
should say. Yeah, so do you still have the Aussie
friends from when you're from a high school?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Exact same, It's exactly like people that.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Are still keeping grief on you and whats absolutely well.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, in a way, it's just like every time I
come back to Sydney or sometimes I get to like
fire them out to LA which is amazing.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
The last thing we talk about is my career. That's
so great.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's just like we hang out and we talk about
play football whatever, go for go surfings like that.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
So it's never been a problem.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Artists on people who have got very famous talk about
the fact that it's not actually them who cuts them off.
It's the friends that assume, oh, they don't want to
hang out with me anymore because they're hanging out with
Elton John.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Now, especially moving to LA like friends last Yeah that guy.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, I haven't got the invite since I was fourteen.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Sounds a bit rod.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I No, No, I definitely keep to myself out there,
and I moved out there with my girlfriend as well,
and she's like who I went to school with as well,
So like we've been keeping each other, holding each other down.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
It's important.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
What's the most surreal, So obviously that's pretty surreal. There
was a fourteen year old Elton John saying that I
got a screenshot here of a message thread you were
having with a guy called Nathan talking about sitting at
Paris Fashion Show next to Trippy Red.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
This is such a rogue one to bring up.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
So that's obviously surreal, right, all of a sudden, you're
sitting there.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Trip Red, by the way, I thought that was a pseudonym,
but that's actually a person, apparently, I was.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Honestly, it was just a hilarious situation for me because
Triple Days just like a rapper. But in my head,
I'm like, I am the furthest thing away from Trippy
Red Red, And the fact that someone organizing this fashion week.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Was like, let's get these guys together, thanking me some
sort of networking king, did you chat with Trippy? Absolutely?
He was terrifying.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
He had like twelve people around him at all times,
like looking at me, making sure I wasn't looking at him.
But no, I just thought it was hilarious to post that, because, yeah,
my fans are definitely like, why are you see actually, well.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's an indication of the fact that your world, you
really feel like you're doing something in a world that
is beyond who you might be in the realms.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Of your exactly. I don't know. Again, it's back to
the dissociation, just like yeah, why like this.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Is not Yeah normally might have been a good chat. No,
I'm sure he's lovely, but he had other things on
his mind.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
No tribute was made. But I'm next to Rule.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, is definitely definitely hitting up as fourteen managers been like,
oh my god, I'm next to the Australian singer song
Ritter Rule.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
What's the most out of place you've felt in like
a room, though I'm sure you've been in other rooms
like people.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
There so many times. It's I definitely like in la
Is when that stuff happens. You find yourself in situations
that you just you don't know why, Like everything kind
of turns into like whatever feels like a networking opportunity.
It's like it's and that kind of sucks. It's like
you can be going out for drinks with a mate
and then turns out you're going.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
To like it's an album release party.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
And these people are there like I went like and
played tennis with like a few mates and we went
to this tennis club and it was like it's an
artist tennis club and there's like there and like all
these people, and I'm like it, just like, why am
I here? Like, and you just in this game, Like
he's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Because I saw him playing basketball recently. Did you see
that shop where he's usually the airport?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, but he's mobile. I just love the idea of.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's just in generalat in l A, you're just like
you getting these situations. You're like, what is going on?
And yeah, I always feel super you know, discombobulated, And
I was like, why am I here? Like, No, that
happens every day.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
I swear like that. I'm like, what is going on?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Feels so transaction.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
May Sho asks bond out for a game of singles,
one on one.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Your first strike when you're going, it's great having you here, man,
Thanks so much for coming in.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Thanks, good luck, good luck.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Album launch out today, kicking my feet from Rule, Homegrown Talent,
kicking it all over the world. Proud of your mate you.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
No, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Honestly, it's really really good to have you in here.
So all the best next time, see

Speaker 4 (11:09):
You guys better.
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