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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Tony Armstrong's in the city over run. Hello, have you
here man? How you going? Have you never been live before? What?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm trying to wig you guys out? But you guys
are you guys are unwiggable?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
You On the other hand, when you used to be
live on ABC News, Tony, I mean there was There's
one slip that comes to mind, which we always play
for you.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Pain has a bulging dick that has been disc that
has been that's a funny one has been causing him pain.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Going to throw to you very quickly, Michael.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
No, thanks, guys, it's been good and we'll take a break.
How long, like, in all seriousness, how long do you
reckon till till I can get on somewhere without that
being a thing?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Genuine question?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I still think it's funny or do you think it's
like the next dumb crap I do?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Because you need to do something that's gonna trump.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's a big kick back.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
You've got you gotta you gotta do a new gaff
and a new gaf to get away from that one.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Unfortunately, and we are love life. It's not show. I
can already feel we're going around break.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, don't you do it on someone else's show, You
do it on your own show. Tonight is Endgame premiere
eight thirty tonight on the ABC.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
This is a bit of a gear switch. It is right,
It's a.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Huge gear switch because this is something that I know
is super close to your heart in all sorts of ways.
So it's a three part series tackling racism in sport
with the help of global superstars.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Yeah, I mean it is a serious gear switch. We
were being quite sleup before, but yeah, it is. It
is quite serious content and kind of like it felt
kind of weird being so serious for so long, but
it was like I've found it really like I'm quite
cynical when it comes to that stuff, just given my experiences.
(02:15):
This is I guess with racism and stuff, but coming
out of it the other end.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So is that when you were playing footy.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
So for me, I copped it less and like this
isn't to be like woe is mean to get a
compiment Like when I played footy, I sucked ass so
like no, like I was so bad, like like no
one knew who I was sure, so like I didn't
cop it, like now, but now when I'm on like
I've got Telly and all that, people actually have.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Someone to have a crack at.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
For me, most of my experience of like overt sort
of public racism has been through Telly and radio, but
before that was just on the streets.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
But anyway, but anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
The purpose of this was to be like, Okay, we're
sick of this being like woe is us? Racism sucks
because either you know that by now and you're with this,
or you don't and you can take a long walk
off the world's shortest plank. Yeah, like like so, so
we're not talking to you if you don't get it.
This is for the people who accept it. And now
(03:16):
let's get some solutions. And we thought what better sort
of trojan horse than sport to talk to Australia through. Yeah,
because you know, we all, I mean, we trust we
trust Pat Commons with everything.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
She can do anything she wants. I trust her.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Like, yeah, they get a they get a pass for
anything if you're good at sport.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, it's accessible for everyone, exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
They've got the nation's respect already, don't they okay, we're
listening to you.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
So yeah, yeah, true and so and so with that
in mind, we went overseas and we went and looked at.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
You've spoken to some really good people here.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'm just having Ferdinand, Michael Folding. Yeah, I mean I
just shut my eyes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
John from Liverpool summer you know cricket that's crazy. Yeah,
so some really big So if people don't know Michael
Hollings a famous West Indies bowler during the time of
when the West Indies where real powerhouse. Adam Goods obviously
he's both to Ria. Ferdinand is also a black British soccer.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Player captain England and he's one of.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
The best one was probably the best defender in the
world for his time. He's bound down to John Barnes,
who played for Liverpool as well, also are great there.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
For those listening, I would urge you to look up
a photo of John Barnes. So someone piffed a banana
at him when he's playing and there's his photo of
him like back healing the banana and the banana's just
bouncing off his boot like so that's amazing. He's kicked
the wonder goal for England, like yeah, so it was
just it was just it was just crazy getting to
talk to them. But I guess I went in cynical
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and I came out hopeful because racism.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Looks, walks, talks, feels the.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Same everywhere, but they're doing stuff about it that we
aren't yet interesting and it's working. So it's like, okay,
if we can just like I get yeah, it's kind
of weird saying it made me hopeful. Racism felt the
same everywhere, but yeah, because it did coming back here,
I'm like, oh, nearly sure, Oh we've got it, like
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like we've got a chance, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So, so I'm really what, I really am really interested
to say.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
We've got to go to a song.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
People can see Endgame premiers eight thirty tonight on ABC TV.
Whether you think that's a cultural thing Australia, whether it's a.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Changeable thing thinking, yeah, you got three minutes think about it,
pen and paper and paper.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, sure, you've got three minutes of Olivia Dean to
have everything. And I haven't think about where your GAF
is going.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
To be up next to that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
You live like you're Tony Armstrong in the studio. We've
left him live on the air at our Own Peril.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Endgame.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Premiere is eight thirty tonight, ABC TV. It is a
three part series hosted by Tony I know you just
said he spent last nine months doing this mate, with
a topic which is like you are, as my daughter
would say, a bit of a silly billy.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Like you really are?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You love it?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
But this is if you're listening right, take offense enormously so,
but you are.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
But this is the topic that you were just saying. Oh,
their like when you're in it, you're like, whoa this is?
This is intense like and it's intense all over the
world if you're just joining us. We're talking people who
are the stars of their sport globally. So Michael Holding
was probably considered the best cricketer in the world reofferred,
and probably the best soccer player in the world, one
of them playing in the Premier League one. I'm playing
for the West Indies all the way down, all across
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the world the same issue and then reapplying it to Australia.
How do you expect the criticism of racism in Australia
to be received by the average fan here?
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Well, look, no one likes being told that they're racist.
I think we've all either either seen it or been
part of it. When you're when you're like calling someone
out or that kind of thing, it's it's it's one
of those things where people tend to get their back up,
you know.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They get not me. No, I've got plenty of black friends,
which is classic.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
But in all seriousness, I think the thing, the thing
that I noticed the most was, even though it's really heinous,
some of the stuff that we see overseas, like I
would I would suggest maybe with like a you know,
like a like a temperature test without actually having a
hard data over the fence, the stuff you might hear
(07:26):
in the States and in the U and in the UK,
it might be what you would deem worse, maybe a
bit more raw. However, they accept they've got a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Interesting, So here we don't like, we still got hate
our goods, footy, we got multiculture around, we've got indigenous
eight We're moving it along. I would then suggest to
you have a look at the AFL executive.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Taniel Hosh was made redundant.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
She was before you even get to the flags to
the fact she was an Indigenous woman. On the AFL executive,
she was in charge of diversity and inclusion.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
She was made redundant halfway through this year.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Wow, we only needed to see the homophobia that it's
ugly head to see that we aren't on top of it,
you know, and sure like like you know, we want
to think we're better than we are and we've got
pride round we've got and I'm speaking very specifically from
an AFL contexty given given where we are, but it's
(08:25):
like sport is so agnostic here in Australia, it doesn't
really stand for much like it's got its rounds. But
there I feel like they're more I feel and that
is a big danger that we found as well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's like.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
The tokenism actually can take away from like the real
work that needs to be done.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So because people feel like we're doing the work already,
we're doing the work.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We've got the round And like.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
I think that's where you see that conversation over in
the US getting really bad around DEI because they're like, well,
you know, these these people don't deserve to be in
these positions, blah blah blah. And quite often that argument
is moot. But sometimes organizations do put people on a
board or on an exec that are toothless tigers. They
(09:15):
don't know how to deal with with those situations, so
they end up getting walked entirely over and actually they
end up being more harm than good. So so like
I mean far out we could literally yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well you've done a three part series on it tonight exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I would urge urge people who have any interest in
this or feel or feel very set in their ways
to just have a look at it and like, it's
not it's not going to be who is us?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Like that's we set it up pretty heavily, like.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
It's a bit of a gut punch in the first
maybe fifteen minutes, and that just sets the scene of
where we're at. Yeah, but then it's like right that.
Now now you know where we are, let's go try
to solve it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So solutions focus on racism.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Guys, you're welcome. Oh wait, that am.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Australia.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Here you go. Look, No thanks, I saw what happened
to goods. No thanks.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So in terms of solutions, though, Tony, like, what what like,
just give me one thing from overseas that you saw
that you were like wow, okay.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
So so something that I found really interesting was in
the UK in particular, So they so they fully like
follow up through to like like a legal sanction with someone.
So so say I've been racist over the fence to
someone bang Tony Armstrong could be found guilty of racism.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, but the thing that
that supporter cares more about is actually.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Being sanctioned by their sporting club.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so like kicking out.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
So they're worried about what's going to happen to them
from Chelsea's perspective, less so.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Than walking around the streets being labled and racist.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
So when you think about that, who's got the power
the club? Yeah? So so if you if you guys
would have ostracized me from my group, yep, because of
my behavior.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Like we've all seen it in our day to day lives.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Like you know, you have a mate and you call
them out on like you know, some archaic crap that
comes out of their mouth, and they adjust.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Their behavior because they want to still be part of
the group. Of course, that's what that's the power.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Of the clubs you really have.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
And I think that's something that can be applied stronger
here in Australia. Well if at all, Yeah, exactly, like
I think I think we sometimes see the sanctions happen,
but I think I think I think we can do
a better, better job. And really like you know, I
mean I was just about to say, like the AFL
tribunal system, but far out.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You need to be Isaac Newton to.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Work that out.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
But yeah, like you know something where there's like I
don't know, like like you know, what's going to happen
to someone if they behave in a certain way and
that's and and that's a deterren and then you know
you're coming at.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
People with not just one silver bullet. There's a to
the education.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
And one thing Rio Ferdinand said, he goes, we've lost
our generation. We're gone, like like the ones the ones
who are on our side or on our side, the
ones who aren't, you know, good luck to them, but
we might be able to get them through their kids.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
We wouldn't get their kids to talk up.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Generations, you know you can maybe you can maybe shift figure, you.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Can think about it. Yeah, right, you're getting wrapped up.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I'm calling the breaks black and white. Michael Jackson up next.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Thereafter. We shouldn't have put him liveline We shouldn't have
put him live life.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He was doing so well, He was doing so well,
lost all privileges.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Hey, Tony, so much for having me never again, ever again.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That's a lie, Tony Meliboy. Check out Endgame. It is
eight thirty tonight on the ABC team.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You can get it on. Have you Thank you so
much for coming in.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
It is serious work. It is