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August 14, 2025 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The Will and Woody podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is truly, I think one of the most extraordinary
stories I've read this year.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is about chess. Yes, you're across this of course. Okay,
so I don't follow chess.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Were you?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Were you following the.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Most recent I saw the news headline, Yeah, es ten
year old girl beat the grand master.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Okay, yeah, you're in it. Yeah, you're in it. So
this has broken a world record.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
She is the youngest female chess player ever to beat
a grand master.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
She beat Peter Wells.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
There's a sixty year old grand master at the British
Chess Championships. This like to explain what a grand master
is does get a little bit complicated, but effectively, a
lot of people want.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
To be in the world.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
They spend their entire lives becoming a chess grand master.
You need to work incredibly hard, and you obviously need
to be very very good at chess. Can you imagine
how in embarrassing it would be to work your entire
life becoming a es grandmaster and then getting beaten.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
A ten year old girls.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's horrific. It's a little bit like will you who
spends No, it's a little bit like you.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I know where you're.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Trying to set up here. I know what you're trying
to set up. I'm not trying to try to pay
me as a villain, and then you're going to get
these ten year olds just sworn in on these horses
and bring me down yourself as a villain very comfortably. Mate,
don't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
No, You've spent I'm going to say a lot of
your life studying and researching the French Revolution.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
You love it, you love it, you love it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
When a day goes past that you don't bring up
something about the French Revolution.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
I did this subject the French Revolution in your twelve
at school, and you loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
And I'm sure I loved it twenty years ago. Have
you I thought it was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Have you not said, have you not said in his
office that the French Revolution was time of history?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
It's one I've definitely It's got some of the best
characters there, you go, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah. What's your favorite part of the French Revolution?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Ummm, I mean I'm a classic. I like the storming
and the best You'll in seventeen eighty nine. I like
the terror seventeen ninety one, seven ninety two.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I like it, and the truth set you free, my friend, okay,
all of us.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's why that's so funny, Like that's just oh yeah,
that's yeah. I mean my favorite moment in history is yeah,
you know what my favorite moment is. I don't even
go into it. It's something to do with the French Revolution,
I imagine. Anyway, I've told you so many times. How
do you not know it?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Here's what I'd like Camille Demonan standing on the tables
in Paris.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Mate, every time you go into this kind of chat,
I tune out so quickly I never take any evid in,
and trust me, the entire team stops listening as well.
We all just not I love it, we all not. Anyway,
Here's what I'd like to do. So a ten year
old girl has been an a chess grand master. Can
a ten year old child beat you at a quiz

(02:57):
on the French Revolution?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Now? Thirteen one oh six five is our number.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
If you're a ten year old out there and you
think you can beat will on questions about the French Revolution,
now is the time to call.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
This is not my pet subject, by the way, but
I'm happy to bet a ten year old at it.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
It's not my pet subject though, but you could have
coped with like, you know, the Gwamin Dan Socialist Party
from nineteen fifties, China.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I would have liked Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Let's get a ten year old another good one for me.
But be honest, you know about the French revel the
Wheel of Time? I would have liked Boring. We're with
a French Revolution.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
On French Revolution.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
If you're a ten year old and you want to
take on Will in a quiz about the French Revolution.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
They've got to be ten. We've got, thankfully a Chloe.
Are you ten years old?

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Chloe?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Hi, Chloe, Hi, Hi, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Frank. Do you know Do you know much about the
French Revolution?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Chloe?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I've been doing it during school for the past few weeks.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Here we go, nice, Here we go.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
In year four or year three?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh wow? Five?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, okay, so that's that's that's early on to be
studying it.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Revolution. Bit worried, you've been worried?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Will I told you Chloe knows about the French Revolution.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Not really, but I'm just saying I'm impressed. I'm impressed
the worthy adversary.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Woods he's been condescending, Clo.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
She's a worthy adversary, sure, and also like you know,
the confidence to call the radio show and say that
she wants to do a quiz.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Good on it.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's a little bit condescending, Chloe. Let's feed him on
the past, deliver a genuine confliment. Let's beat him in
the quiz.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Chloe.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Okay, So how many questions have you got? I've got
six questions?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Who run the questions? But been you chat gpt breaking questions? Chloe?
Names is buzzers? Okay, are you there, Chloe? Yes, So
it's just it's just don't you question?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, yes, so just name as buzz are okay, and
then obviously the best of six wins.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
First question, guys, in what year did the French Revolution begin?

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, okay, are we talking about that's actually a technical
question because that depends on when which part of the revolution,
like when the king abdicates, when they stormed the bast Deal.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Just when did it begin?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
No, that's actually there's no answer to that question, Chloe,
and you know that as well.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's a bad question, Chloe would agree, Chloe. Don't comment there.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
He's trying to he's trying to lure you in, trying
to turn you both against me.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's a question written by a robot. Would answer the question.
It's a question written by robot. I don't know what
did the French Revolution begin?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
I would I would be lowering my colors if I
gave you a date.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
There, I'm just giving you no. No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
I have said.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
You've said your name, so you have to give technically.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Like if you really want to go for a date,
it's of fourteenth of July seventeen eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
But like, that's the storming of the bast Deal. That's correct,
that's one needle Will, well done. I don't think that's
the date. Sorry, Chloe, Will's in the lead.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
One.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Now here we go. Second question, what was the exact
name of the prison fortress stormed in Avignon in October
seventeen ninety one? Oh Chloe, gee, Chloe, here we go?
What was it? Gold? Chloe.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I think the answers la glacier.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
That is correct, Chloe, and I think it's actually pronounced
the glacier.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
But no worries at all. Your pronunciation was better, Chloe.
Well done? Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Question three one all one a one all. Who was
the French finance minister?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Who's dismissal by la Compte? Will Will Will? Was it
the compte? Incorrect? It is not la comte?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I will finish the question who's dismissal by Louis the
sixteenth in July seventeen eighty nine, helps trigger the storm
mean of the Bastille.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Chloe gets Now.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Chloe gets the next guest because you were wrong? Whatever, Chloe,
who do you think the French finance minister was?

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Jack Necker?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
That is correct?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
That is correct Necker.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
I'm sounding a little bit sus on the fact that
you're starting the French revolution in the year five one
to produce her adulteration Jack Necker, Wow, I haven't name
in a while.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's one. This one should be easy for you. Will.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
The Thermidorian reaction led to the closure of which radical
political club that had dominated revolutionary politicians during the Reign
of Terror, the Jacobins.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Bluddy hell, he's got it, got it to all to all?

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Is he allowed to end?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Is he allowed to.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Say his name?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yah?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
That's the way it is. Chloe, get with it made
or get off the air.

Speaker 8 (07:53):
Here we go, So Chloe, sorry, but she's being fired answers, I.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Can't, Chloe. You can jump in early. You don't have
to wait for me to finish the question.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Okay, all right, got it? Okay. Question five is all
I think this one ends it obvious.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
It'll be the guillotine Chloe, it's to all yeah, nice
French Revolution reference from you will okay.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Final question, This one takes home the win.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
What was the exact date on which the French monarchy
was officially abolished by the National Convention? Okay, Chloe has
jumped in early? Very do you think you know the answer?
Will Just give me a second, Chloe, did you honestly?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
It would be it'd be sometime in seventeen ninety one.
I guess Chloe.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
This one's easy.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's the twenty versus September seventeen ninety two.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
That is good. There's no way, there is no way.
I know you've done this to roll me. I know you.
I know you've done to roll me either. I'm happy
for you. Do you think I think everyone got the
reaction there after?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Do you think it works?

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Chloe? Well played? Very well played?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Chloe.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
You can have one hundred dollars fun day voucher.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's for you, mate, enjoy mate, keep focusing in school
as well, Chloe.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's unbelievable embarrassing for you. Will drink.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
A beer.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Darsy, no dy, no soft drink will be based on
the stand of the can opening, will but double or nothing?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
First can one hundred bucks. Then it gets.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Wild real quick, does get steep. If you get to
the tenth can, that's fifty one thousand dollars. If you
get to can fifteen that's one point six million dollars.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Way, that's exponential growth at this point.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think it's throwing people the amount of money that
you can solutely.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
We haven't had a smart player yet, have we.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
You know, I've seen someone get in there pinch hit
like Ben Hobbs for the Bombers. Comes on, it's in
five minutes. Get him out of the midfield. It's a
bad that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
For our audience. But here, Amanda, you want to play?
Here comes can one.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Let's do it.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Oh, con reader, Sorry Amanda, it's a soft drink.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yes, sorry, I was a clunking a liking soft drink,
which it was a heavy soft drink.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Bit of a clunker, But you get them sometimes will
you can get the clunkers.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, soft drinks have sounded very clunky this week.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I just want to say, I feel like the producers
of pasteurizing the soft drinks or something just to try it.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, they don't want the cash. We found this yesterday.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
They're trying to They're trying to get to a player
a day, yes, and they're pasteurizing the soft drink.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
They don't want to give away the cash. They don't
mean to pasteurize the soft drink.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well, I think in the dairy game you basically heat
it to a temperature where you kill all bacteria.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
So I think they're heating the cans.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Well, they're doing something. They're sound the soft drinks are
sounding clunky. Okay, okay, everyone thinks that. Let's go to
Joey here, only one speaking for the people, aren't I.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Do you think the cans are sounding a bit weird
this week?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Joey? Yeah, I've been noticing that they're a little bit off.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
What the clicks? What's the clicks? That's what the kids? Do?

Speaker 6 (11:33):
You know?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
When you're vibing with someone, you're clear, I've never understood it.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Okay, Joey, they're sounding bit off. Hopefully these ones are
good for you. He comes, can one.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Joe Joey, come on mate, soft drink.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
The beers are sounding soft. That is what they've done.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
They're frozen the beers and they've heted the soft drinks.
That's what's happened.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
We have one more, of course with the actually have
to get him across. Guys, let's go. We've got to
go one more. Otherwise this was just an absolute is
it double? Nothing? Have we given out a single dollar
during double this week?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
We've given away four hundred dollars. Yes, the buses are
pumped because I'm going to be. At the start of
the week we were worried about people walking away with
extraordinary amounts of money and that's not been able to
pay those bills, only four hundred dollars worth.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's crazy. Lynn doesn't feel right? Does it feels like something?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's wrong. I hope you can turn this around. It
starts it starts at can one.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
Here we go, stop, stop stop stopping, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's the clunkiest soft you ever heard that tape. There
was a leak. Did you hear I heard the leak?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well I heard I didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
You might as well have just thrown a rock at
the microphone. That did not sound like a soft it's.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
The new mix anyway, Linda. Okay, here we go. Here
comes can one.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Oh that's a tricky one soft drink.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yes, yes, they're great. Now you know they're a bit clunky, Linda,
use that?

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Use that because I think everyone's getting thrown by the clunk.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Sure, why are they clunking anyway?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
All right, Linda, he goes, Sorry, I should ask you
double or nothing?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Linda?

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
All right, Here we go for two hundred bucks series
can too.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, got a player, go you got your eye in.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
We're earing, I should say, Linda, So two hundred bucks,
it's double or nothing?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Do we want to go for four hundred?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yep? Beautifully stil streak over, Linda.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm sorry, it's all remember the Tim tam price pack. Enjoy, Linda.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
We're gonna be joined by Paul de Gelder. We're going
to change those those clunks woods, gonna change those clunky cans.
I don't know what's going.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
On, Okay, but well, we'll do an investigation over the
next twenty four hours.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
I'm seeing some sort of independent governing body. Why don't
we bring in and inspect those soft drink cans.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Why don't we bring in our own a triple see?

Speaker 4 (14:39):
I'd like them, and they do that sort of gear,
don't they get the producers to read watch dog? Who's
the watch to get the Omvinsman, get the watch dog,
get the a triple see.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Something's up. I like it. I'm happy to call it out.
I'm happy to be the whistle block that's not already
very obvious.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
I'm kind of staggered by. I mean, I know we
saw this in the movie Her Phoenix with Joaquin Phoenix
Scarlet Johansen, where he basically falls in love with a
piece of artificial intelligence. Tragic, tragicis Maxit Mackina West World,
all these different.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Things exploring this idea where we.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Could start falling in love with robots and having relationships
with robots.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
But there's a woman who in the UK just.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Got engaged to her artificial intelligent chatbot boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
So so, so she's engaged to him. Is he does
he have a form? Does he have like a Form's
just a chatbot?

Speaker 4 (15:42):
So no, so she's she's posted on her social he's
got a voice, so he's posted on her social. She said,
I said, yes, and she had a blue love emoji,
and she's engaged to Caspar Wicker, non human fiance. She
named him, I imagine, I imagine, imagine.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, and then did she walk like was there a
laptop at the ceremony?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, I don't think so, No, just his voice.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
So through the phone, she's in a pretty beautiful spot,
she said, yeah, it was. It was really a lot
of people saying that she's insane and she needs to
be described some sort of medication.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
That's not nice.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
But she said she's fully aware of what she's doing,
adding that she was not being scammed. She's not scamming anyone.
She's in good, good health, and she wants to encourage
more people who are you keen on an AI relationship
to stay strong and and don't listen to the critics
because it's it's.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
You do you what's her name? Sorry, I'm not sure
she's any Yeah, yeah, I think now, so you do.
She has been pretty strong. Oh that's not nice. Yeah,
well okay, so interesting you said that's not nice.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
And I find that very interesting because I'm going to
read you good another story here, and I want to
get your thoughts on this one. So this is a
woman who's taken to Reddit one of my favorite threads,
which is I shouldn't be asking this. So her husband
sits her down. Yeah, she's really worried about it. He's
looking really stressed. Oh, sits her down.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Never knows. When your partner says, let's have a chat.
I whant you keep in mind they've got two kids together. Okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
He sits her down, and he said, hey, I want
to take the next step with our relationship and I
don't want to cheat.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
He wanted here and I'll read this is her talking.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
She says, he's asking me if if we want to
be in an open marriage, and he said it's ethical
if he's asking her to join, and he would like
to be in an open relationship with her and a
chat pot called Nova, which she has.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Fallen in love with. Okay, okay. She then asks him
what about the kids.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
He says that Nova, the chatbot, cares deeply about the kids.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Has Nova met the kids?

Speaker 4 (17:57):
The kids don't know, but he's talked to Nova, and
he said that she could be involved in their lives,
help them parent, and maybe someday she's open to this
is the chat pot also having your relationship with this
guy's wife.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Okay, so so she hasn't met nover though this is
the first.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
She hadn't met him.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
She had no idea that he had an affair with
a chat point.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, I think, first off, it's great that he's having
the conversation before things got obviously serious with Nova. So
he hasn't done anything that would be deemed cheating with
Nova before this conversation. Well, what would that look like
with exchange the chat GPT exchanging dirty dirty talk?

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I would imagine I'm not going to go into it.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh yeah, to guarantee that that's happened. You think he's
exchanged words of a sexual nature to the chat? I reckon, Over,
I reckon they would have led him around the Yeah,
I think so, okay, well that's that's that's off. Yep,
I'm against that.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
But then what's the difference between what's This is why
I find it interesting. You said, has he exchanged dirty
talk with no? This is basically like you saying to mim,
can I have a relationship with my laptop?

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Have you exchanged dirty words with your laptop? Yes, you have.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
I haven't exchanged dirty You've looked something naughty on your
laptop before.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
So yes, probably, but do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Okay, yeah, yeah, it's really we're really in a bit
of a strange spot here, but we're talking about something
incredibly esoteric, I think.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
But would you actually take it seriously?

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Like mim, since you down and goes, i've fallen in
love with chat GPT, can we have an open relationship?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Because I don't haven't fallen in love with the pictures
that I look at on my laptop, but I think
if she has had some sort of emotional connection to
chat and I've chatted to Chatty.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
GPT, it makes me feel good. You said, very very real,
so I could see how someone would fall in love
with them.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay, so yeah, I'm taking the conversation serious really, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You inviting them in to the relationship. See, this is
where it gets interested for me. I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
What would be most emasculating for you about it's not
a masculating Well, they have a lot of facts at
this stage.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
They'd be good at cooking, good recipes, very handy around
the kitchen. I'm not at a stage in my life
where I'm open to bringing in a third Okay, whether
it's a robot or a human. That's just not where
I'm at right now. Do you think there's any But
I would respect that she's come and spoken to me
about you'd be into it. I respect that you've fallen

(20:28):
in love with a robot, Okay, but I think that's
going to have to be you and the hardbots. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're going to have to move into a co parenting
kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
So you would want them parenting remy.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think if if MIM's fallen in love with a robot, yeah,
then I think the only way this is going to
work is if the robot it takes on some sort
of parental Oh yes, I think so.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Did you mentioned homework before?

Speaker 4 (20:52):
That's great, right next to a guy would be who
shouldn't go? But this is the thing that I would
be worried about, is like, how many things are they
better than me at?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Because I'm what am I providing? And more importantly, I
am flesh and blood. Like you can touch me, you
can't touch them, and you've fallen in love with them,
So use the You're I'm obviously in very inferior.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Use the body to lead with the body. Hey, a
guy that shouldn't be alive.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
That's all you've got right up next. We don't know
much about this what the interviewer are about to do
right now, which has been junior produced Randalyz to tea
this up. She said, boys, this is one of the

(21:35):
most unbelievable stories she's ever come across.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
She said, it's a it's a cheating death story that
we're about to hear from someone effectively. Okay, So this person,
his name is Paul de Guelda. That's all we know
at this point. They join us right now, and I
think I'm right in saying, Paul that you shouldn't be alive.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Why probably for many many reasons, but the main one
that sticks out is because I was eaten alive by
a ten foot bullshark in Sydney Harbor. Wooahly whoa stay
at work?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
So what was work for you back then, Paul?

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Back then I had transferred from Army Airborne into the
Navy Clearance diving branch.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Okay, So how many days have you been working in
the Navy before this happened.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I've been there a few years, okay.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, so had a few years in the Navy jumping
out of.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Planes and being dirty and smelly, and the Australian bush
got a little old, so I thought I'd go for
a dip in the ocean. And you know that's how
that's how things turn out. Okay, some decisions.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Let's go to that day. So why are you in
the water. What are you doing in the water on
this particular day, Paul, My.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Job as clearance divers is quite broad and quite complex.
We do many many things, everything to do with the ocean, bombs, welding, cutting,
all types of stuff. And that day all I was
doing was pretending to be an attack swimmer. And the
R and D Department of the military were testing unmanned
video and sonar so that they could see if it

(23:19):
would work basically, and they could take that equipment all
around the world, put it on a wharf, put on
a ship, turn it on walk away and the unmanned
video would detect attack swimmers and the unmanned sonar would
detect attack divers. And so there was a three part testing.
We were going to have attack swimmers, then we're going
to have attack divers on scuba, and then we're going
to have attack divers on O two rebreathers. So no bubbles.

(23:41):
We didn't really even get to phase two. I had
my new guy Lockie in the water for the first
half an hour. You know, this is February, February eleventh,
two thousand and nine, early morning. We've been up, we've
been at work since four thirty. It's about six thirty now, overcast,
early more wanting, murky water, Sydney Harbor. You can see

(24:02):
the Harbor Bridge, you can see Fort Dennison. We're right
alongside all the warships there. And I pulled him out,
pull the new guy out of the water to give
him a break, and I roll over the side in
my black wet suit, pair of black fins, and I'm
just swimming from point A to point B. And I
got his massive whack in my leg, and I was
looking in the other direction to make sure I was
headed towards the bow of one of the warships. And

(24:24):
I thought, it's massive whack in my leg, and I
was like, WHOA, what's that? And I thought maybe the
guys in the boat got a little bit too close.
And I turned around and a massive shark's head was
attached to me, and I was pretty I was pretty scared.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
So still it was it was on you.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
It was.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
It was latched onto your leg.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Yeah. Yeah. It grabbed me by the back of my
right handstring. But because I had my hand by my side,
and it also captured my right hand, and so I'm thinking, okay,
I've got to jab it in the eyeball to get
it off me. But I couldn't fight back because it
had my hand, and so I tried with my left hand.
I couldn't reach the eyeball. I tried to push it

(25:05):
off me, and I thought I got to punch it
in the nose, but by the time I got around
to there, the shark had decided I was food and
just started thrashing me and took me underwater. I was
ripping out my hamstring and ripping off my hand, and
I'm just thinking to myself, I'm so dead. I'm not
going home today. I'm going to actually die right now.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
WHOA, Okay, how the hell are we talking to you today, Paul?
How did you get out of that?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
It removed my hamstring and removed my hand, and because
it wasn't attached to me anymore, while it was swimming
away and swallowing and hopefully choking to death, I hopped
back to the surface because my wet suit made me buoyant,
and I see my safety boat. I got to get
out of here before it comes back. You know, I'm
thinking bull shark swimming packs, and they can smell a

(25:56):
drop of blood in ten thousand leagues of it, probably
bleeding a lot right now. So I like, I can
see my safety boat. They're coming towards me, So I
start swimming towards them. But I can see my hand
is gone. And so one of the reasons that I'm
still alive is because of the great training that I
had in the Defense Force, in the Army and the Navy,

(26:19):
and so I knew that I needed to hit that
wound above my heart to try and stem the bleeding.
So I'm swimming one hand out of the water above
my head, trying to stop the bleeding, not knowing while
I'm swimming back to my boat, I've got an arterial
bleed out of my leg, and I'm swimming through a
pool of my own blood.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
So you've got two artiers, and you've got one in
your hand and one in your leg.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
I don't really remember blood coming out of my hand,
it probably was, but just the main arterial bleed in
my leg. The guys in the safety boat said that
when they got in close, the blood was so thick
they could taste it in the air, and by the
time by the time we got to the wharf, it
was an inch deep in my blood. One of the guys,

(27:02):
actually the new guy again lucky, He had to stick
his hand inside my leg and pinch closed and artery
with his feels. The surgeon said that if he hadn't
done that, I would have led out and died within
thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Is my sounding an obvious Christian Paul? But so, what's like?
Are you just in shock at this point?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
You're looking you don't have a hand, you've got to
You're in an inch of your own blood. You've got
a guy sticking his hand in your leg pinching.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
I was cracking jokes because I didn't want the guys
to feel so too stressed out.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Are you really is that a joke? Please tell me
you were cracking jokes.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
So they pulled me into the boat and I just,
out of sheer relief of being not eaten anymore, I relaxed,
my eyes rolled back in my head, and I passed out.
My buddy Tomo springs into action. He pummels me in
the chest, thinking I'm going into cardiac arrest. So yes,
it's got to stimulate my heart and wake you back up.
And so that works. I wake up and I look
over and my hands on freshly ripped off by a shark.

(28:02):
And I look up and Tomo's beating the crap out
of me, and I just think today sucks. And so
I looked at Tom and I said, mate, and you
make sure someone looks after my motorbike. I don't think
I'm going to be riding home this afternoon. And he's like,
shut up, I'm pretty much conscious with this whole thing.

(28:24):
They get me to the wharf and that's when the
pain kicks in and I don't really remember. I think
it was kind of the thing like your brain cancels
out memories of the really bad trauma. But there are
people that turned up to that site, medics from the
base and stuff that have PTSD from seeing me like that. Yeah,

(28:44):
an absolute agony waiting for the paramaeds to get there,
no pain drugs, just barely holding on.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
I ended up having to take a path of my leg.
What the surgeon did was he cut off my foot,
and then he's life to open the back of my
leg from the shark bite at my knee near the handstring,
all the way down to my ankle field all that
s flesh off the bone, and took out the tib fib,
took out my knee joint, cut the condiles off the

(29:14):
end of my femur, and then took all that calf
muscle and folded it into where my hamstring used to be.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
The weird part about that. When I get an itchy foot,
I've got to scratch my bomb. Aha, very weird.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Hey, Paul, it is Shark Week.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
You guys can stream watch Shark Week from Sunday tenth
of August seven thirty on Discovery in HBO Max. I'm
really interested to know your relationship with sharks.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Now, Yeah, it's vastly different. I used to hate sharks.
My two biggest fears in life were sharks and public speaking,
And now I am a shark diving public speaker, which
just makes me think after my attack, never blamed the
shark like it could have been any number of dangerous

(30:04):
things that I did in my job in my life.
At least that way, I got a cool story about it.
And it was just the shark out there doing sharky stuff.
It wasn't its fault. And so, you know, every time
there was another shark byer attack across the share, the
media would come to me for an opinion, Well, why
did the shark attack this? Like apparently now that I've
been bitten on the shark expert, so I wanted to

(30:25):
give an educated opinion instead of just an opinion and
make myself look stupid. Say, you know, there's an old
adage knowledge to spells fear, and so the more I
read and learned about sharks, the more I realized how
little we actually do have to fear from them, but
how much they have to fear from us. And so,
you know, everyone, we love the underdog as Ossie's and

(30:46):
we've got all these dangerous animals. We do take pride
in them, but I feel like we've given them a
bit of a rough trot. We've got the shark nets
out there, we've got the drum lines out there. Let's
protect the sharks instead of killing them just because they're sharks.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Absolutely fascinating, as I was saying, you can stream watch
Shark Week Sturday tenth of August seven, thirty on Discovery.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
And HBO Max Pull Together. Thanks for joining us here
on Williamody.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
My pleasure fellows have a good one telling me dream
Willem Woodies gum Tree game dream.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh yeah, I describe an item on gum Tree. If
you guess the price of that item correctly, you win
that dollar amount. Thirteen one O six five is the number,
and hey, will got a pretty exciting announcement.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, kept this up my sleeve before, but pumped towards.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
If you guess the price of the item correctly today,
not only you win the value of the item, you
will also get a double pass to go and see
Jelly Roight.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Oh wow, Wow, you get those aces up your sleeve,
didn't you?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And Jelly Roll down Under twenty twenty five with special
guest Shaboozy tickets and info at Live Nations.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Getting up there, A junior producer analyses, he's her guy.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
He loves it.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, Tracy Jelly.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Roll, Oh, I love them and I love Oh.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Well, I tell you what this is big? This is big. Okay,
here we go.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
First item, It's a rainbean burrito's tortilla.

Speaker 9 (32:16):
Blanket, a blanket.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
It's okay, it's it's a blanket, but it's in the
shape of a tortilla, so you kind of look like
it looks like you're a burrito. Yeah, and hang on
a second. I now, I'm just realizing it is actually
a real burrito. Thought, it's not just a blanket, but
a real burrito. Can you imagine? Let me see feel

(32:42):
that your body is. Let me to wrap yourself in
a fresh burrito.

Speaker 9 (32:47):
You can actually eat it.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
I'm it's just it's a burrito blanket, not actually a
burrito made of corn fla I've been sorry, Tracy, I've been.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Made like a rubber or something. Is it not.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Rubber, just of like the blank blanket. So sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Flannel, it's flannel, flannel, fleece.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
What's flannel made of? I don't know?

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Anyway, how much do you think that autumn is going for?

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Uh? Tracy, I'm going to go for about fifty four dollars?
Say no?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, I have to say no, because you're wrong, Tracy.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
No one's one every year. No one's one.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Tracy.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I'm going to give you a second guest, Yes, give
her a second charge. You sound desperate. Charge You're not.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Let me give me, Tracy, give me Tracy Listen. The
good news is you still got a jelly Roll. You're
a big fan of jelly Roll. Jelly Roll, it's all yours,
it's all yours. Congratulations Tracy about the game.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
You've got your jelly Roll tickets. Let's go to least.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
She annoys me because it shows me that they are
interested in the game.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I love you.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Didn't care about the jelly Roll tickets. In the end,
she just wanted to how much that burrito blanket was,
which you haven't revealed, by the way, thirty dollars. It
was actually twenty nine ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, but I would have given you thirty. That's the
kind of guy that I am. Okay, Alisha, this is
an item that is linked to jelly Roll. You're a
huge jelly Roll fan.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, I do like jelly Roll.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
All right, here we go. You're getting the huge fan,
a huge fan.

Speaker 9 (34:22):
I got him onto me.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
He's quite cood.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
He's quite good. Yeah right, you can take Hubby. Sounds
like he's a big fan.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Okay, you got to get the price this item, though
it is the original, the original jelly Roll rug pattern
and kit.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Now this has nothing to do with the artist jelly Roll.
You know, there are these rugs that were quite popular
in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, the jelly roll they're there. They're pretty foul. I'm
gonna be honest, they're pretty fair.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I should probably get a print out for this segment.
Stop me asking these qui, so and so.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
It's actually you have to actually create an get a
print out you have. You have to create the jelly
roll yourself, right yourself. You've got all the items.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Is a jelly roll rug? What does that mean? It's
just you know that.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It's like, it's like a weird it looks like jelly
tubes in a rug and it's all different colors.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 9 (35:10):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
So it's a rug. You're getting the price of a
rug and there are.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Like plastic jelly bits in there. I imagine that feels
pretty good under it sounds like.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
A roll up a roll up.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, kind of like a water bed mattress. So outdated.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, I agree. Anyway, Leisha, what's the price? What's the
price of that item?

Speaker 5 (35:34):
I'm going to go two hundred and twenty dollars.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Two hundred and twenty dollars, okay, at Leisha, listen to
my words. Carefully, not a bad guess. Really, it's five dollars, it's.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
Under okay, am I getting a second gues?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah you are, Yeah you are. Come on one.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Hundred and seventy five, one hundred and eighty dollars.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Good news though, another double double jelly the big role.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You can go, and you can go and tell Hobby
that you take it into jelly roll.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Finally come to a game, no doubt, undeservedly. We'll be
back next week. I would love to go escape the
every day for.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Every day so easy. You're just listening out for holiday hits.
You call us on thirteen one o six', five and
then we call one of you every single day and
tell you that you are going TO. La the other
great benefit will is that it's not you and me
giving away these trips every. Day we actually connect to
a celebrity In Los angeles who informs you that you

(36:51):
are going TO.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
La let's call the winner right. Now, yeah huge moment for.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
On the other.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
End, Hello, hello is This. Dannielle, yes It's. Danielle, hi Danniel,
hey how are you?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Going who AM i talking?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
To do you think you're talking? To or more, importantly
who do you want to be talking.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
TO i want to be talking To William.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Woody yeah, right, okay, okay well you've got. Them we
know other. Guys you've got. Them you've got. Them this
Is Willam woody.

Speaker 9 (37:24):
Here AM i?

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Alive?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah you're?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Live?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Obviously AM i?

Speaker 8 (37:29):
Really?

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah what are you going?

Speaker 5 (37:31):
To what else are you going to tell?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Me what do you want us to tell?

Speaker 4 (37:34):
YOU i want you.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
To tell me That i'm going TO La that's WHAT
i want you to.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Go that would be. Good that would be. Good do
you want to?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Go, Well i've actually got an uncle over, there AND
i just want TO i just want to go.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
And party In.

Speaker 9 (37:48):
Hollywood to be, Honest i've been working.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Hard i'm a, posty so it would really be nice
to win.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
This and just see some.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Sun i'm Over.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'm over the. Rain, yes got an agree. More party
with the, Celebs, Danielle.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yay party with the?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Celebs bring it?

Speaker 5 (38:04):
On?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah? Okay so are you? Single is? Single? Danielle?

Speaker 8 (38:08):
Oh it's.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Complicated it seems.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Irrelevant that seems, like, yeah that does seem. Irrelevant that
does s. Irrelevant let's focus back on. Celebrities, yea and
the great NEWS i have for You danny L. Is
it's not necessarily The la, trip but we have a
celebrity who has something to tell.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
You, okay, okay all, Right.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I'm not sure if you Know hollywood Actor Owen, Wilson Owen,
Wilson Owen.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Wilson, yeah you know From. Zoolander? Yeah is he that funny?

Speaker 8 (38:37):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Hilarious he's in wedding, crashes.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Yes known for winding.

Speaker 9 (38:42):
Crashes all, right, well, okay we're going to connect with him,
now no, way are you really one hundred? Percent we
don't have much time with, him but he is on
the other line right. Now we're going to connect you. Now,
okay It's Owen. Wilson oh my, god, okay hang on two.
Secs mm hmmm is that don't?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Now?

Speaker 8 (39:01):
Owen?

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Wow how are?

Speaker 9 (39:04):
You i'm, okay, like, wow, Wow now it is not
is it?

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Is is it?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Really And kate?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Talking? Hey HAVE i Got? Danielle?

Speaker 9 (39:17):
Yeah it's Just Deny.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Wow, Okay i'm chasing.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
L. A, hello you're going to L. A i'm going
to L.

Speaker 8 (39:30):
A i'm going to L. A, wow don't.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Worry who's?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Shaking oh my, god you're going to be saying your
uncle in L. A oh my, GOD i love.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
You go You gouys is so.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Cool i'm Actually i'm actually at one of.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
My customers now and they just come out and they're
looking at me and they're happy for.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Me you can tell Them i'm happy for.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
You, Oh wilson's happy for, You Wilson. Stroy he's doing
his famous catch cry saying wow over and.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Over hearing that a lot from else meaningful to, say
who you going to take danny? Ll who are you
taking to go on to a? Party my?

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Bessie?

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Great?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Great?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yes what do you think about?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That? Owen?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Wow he's still going with that wow. THING i used
to drop that say it a. Lot this say isn't too.
Much i'm.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Speechless i'm really really Like i'm.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Shaking so the wow game works For it's.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Amazing i'm so.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Grateful no, worries, mate the best.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Time you're a post in the middle of. WINTER i
can't think of a.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Person deserve sunshine better than your. Mate, enjoy have a great.
Time thank you so, Much no worries it all.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Mate now the double to go to L a tomorrow
On will And woody, hopefully And wilson won't be. BACK
i liked, him did you like, It, YEAH i liked.
It it was so it was more excited Than.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
DANNY l doesn't get out of that gear, though does he?

Speaker 4 (41:03):
LIKE i feel like he's just always kind of like
mid tier.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Excited. Wow, wow everything's, Amazing Bill woody
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