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Speaker 1 (00:10):
My hard podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on the free I Hard app.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hates Willam morning. It is a Thursday. I hope you
have had a great drive home. If you are.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
If you need to.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Get yourself together really, then look no further than the
Kick apt. They've got a new strength trainer on there
at the moment Steph and Laura. So find out more
about Kick's new strength trainer on the Kick app. We've
got Laura Henshaw in the studio right now. So, Laura,
we are talking about this Chris Griffin podcast that you've.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Been You're such a like.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I found it interesting when the girls in our team
were telling me that you'd been quite vociferous about this.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Like.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I found that interesting because anyone that knows you personally
like you're You're a lovely person, Laura, Like, it's very hard.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
To get you rolled up like at all.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So like, if either you're upset about this said to
me immediately, I was like, there's gotta be something slightly
wrong with this.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Here's just a little bit about what this guy was saying.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
This is why I heavily encourage hot girl Walks. I
would love my partner to go on a hot girl
walk with her friends every day, or she gets this
femin and they get to have a bit of excitement
about their day. I don't think a girl needs to
go through challenge, pain and hardship to be an amazing girl.
I think she can fill her days with passion filled
things and still be amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Do you think that this sort of language is something
that's catching on and affecting people like actually?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And do you think that it's changeable?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
The researcher came out that this type of content is
actually within mainstream. Now that's obviously really really scary. But
the other thing that came out that if you do
consume this type of content, it can impact a male's
view on a woman in a way that she can
be inferior. And obviously that is incredibly problematic if those
kind of belief systems are being instilled in a piece
(01:49):
of research. I believe it was from E sixty one
Institute gen z Men. They believe in gender roles more
than the older generation. Wow, which is insane.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That really does feel like it's flips like it's only
taking a few generations for it to go back.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
The other what do you think was the turning point there, Laura.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So it feels like in my head, you always when
you're talking about you know, toxic masculinity and stuff, that's
the older generation. What has happened for that to go
back the other way?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I think the biggest thing is because this content has
come into mainstream and men are making a lot of
money from it, and the thing that's really scary is
very ready to go on someone's page, and every single
piece of content is misogynistic. But it's the fitness content.
It's the you know, discipline for it, like go go, go,
punish yourself. Don't that you have to otherwise you're weak.
And then also make money quick or this is how
(02:39):
you make money kind of content. That's what it's kind
of surrounded by, which you can understand that that can
be appealing to people. They see it, they start following,
and then their beliefs actually impact.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
One of the women down in just down on the
floor was showing me something on Instagram the other day
that she follows called Hinge bios. So it's like screenshots
of guys bios on Hinge hilarious. I asked if it
was a joke one of them like the tagline like
under his name was I don't think you should be
able to have a child if you can't control.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
What you put into your body every day. That was
his bit. That was it, and just a photo of
him with his rig out. Is that the point for
like clean living was that the point was if.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You can't diet properly to keep wade off, I don't
think you should be able to have a kid. Oh
that was the bit. And I was like, what is
this a joke? And she was like no, I have
a look and show you another one again. The tag
one in his profile was just I will make you
feel insecure.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And there's only dating at where he's trying to attract women.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And they think that that will attract women strong man. Yeah,
it's so.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Scary actually, it's only I had to have explained to me.
I was like, what's he going for?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So la other women that are believing this too now.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yeah, so we have seen a really big rise recently
and kind of the trad wives traditional wife exactly. But
there's kind of now a type of social media influencer
that he's a trad wife. There are women that follow
this this type of belief system, I suppose, but it's
nothing to do with it being a stay home parent
(04:06):
being bad.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
At it's funny to say that. I actually I'm very glad.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think earlier, very early on, we I said seven,
I sat down with our accountant and explained that I
was going to keep working while she had Max and
looked after Max and raised her. And one of the
first things he said is he was like, all right, mate,
well you're going to be earning money. She's not going
to be earning money. So he was like, I don't
really want to strong arm you into this, but I
think you should just kind of just needed to join
everything because otherwise, you know, well, like even if like
(04:30):
I die or whatever, like you know, if I haven't
got impact, if I haven't got income protection or you know,
all that sort of stuff, you're gonna be leaving a
completely high and dry I don't think you should if
you listen to this, and you should, you should necessarily
blame yourself if it's not something you thought of before either.
Because the reason that a lot of this kind of
manisphere of stuff has arisen, and maybe why a lot
of the younger boys are gravitating towards it, is because
there was that move towards you know, like condemning toxic masculinity,
(04:53):
et cetera. But I think that, like, you know, as
can naturally happen, the left can kind of start eating itself,
where you get wrapping young boys over over the head
with a stick and being like you're not you're not
good enough, you're all toxic, and then they don't have
anyone to.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Talk to, and then there's almost like a bell.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And then all of a sudden, there's a guy over
here going, hey, people making you feel alienated and redundant
and that you're sexually impotent. Hey, there's this there's this
language we're all using over here, we're all getting around
each other. So you could see the natural progression there.
So I mentioned that because if you haven't had these
thoughts to yourself about this, and you haven't thought about
your role, you know, with your partner or how you
might be able to support them, and thinking about superannuation stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That's okay. Yeah, you know the best time. The best
time to plant a tree is ten years ago or
right now.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know, I think it's just listening to it now
and going like oh and understanding it from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, absolutely, we're not judging you for it, and you
might have been aware of it. You might have been
caught up in this group and been like, it is
I've been talking like that.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
This Chris guy thought he was doing the right thing.
I think it's also important to demonize this Chris Griffin guy.
I think he's he's saying that thinking I'm being a
great partner through all of this.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it's yeah. Arguably yes, be the scariest part about
it though. Thanks so much for coming in. Thank you
really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Headlong to the kick app. Find out more Kick's new
strength trainer on the kick app. Go and get it
around stuff and Laura. We love getting around these guys.
There are all some thanks for coming in.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Laura, thank you so much for having me.
My hard podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on the free I Hard app.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hates Willam morning. It is a Thursday. I hope you
have had a great drive home. If you are.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
If you need to.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Get yourself together really, then look no further than the
Kick apt. They've got a new strength trainer on there
at the moment Steph and Laura. So find out more
about Kick's new strength trainer on the Kick app. We've
got Laura Henshaw in the studio right now. So, Laura,
we are talking about this Chris Griffin podcast that you've.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Been You're such a like.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I found it interesting when the girls in our team
were telling me that you'd been quite vociferous about this.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Like.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I found that interesting because anyone that knows you personally
like you're You're a lovely person, Laura, Like, it's very hard.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
To get you rolled up like at all.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So like, if either you're upset about this said to
me immediately, I was like, there's gotta be something slightly
wrong with this.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Here's just a little bit about what this guy was saying.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
This is why I heavily encourage hot girl Walks. I
would love my partner to go on a hot girl
walk with her friends every day, or she gets this
femin and they get to have a bit of excitement
about their day. I don't think a girl needs to
go through challenge, pain and hardship to be an amazing girl.
I think she can fill her days with passion filled
things and still be amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Do you think that this sort of language is something
that's catching on and affecting people like actually?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And do you think that it's changeable?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
The researcher came out that this type of content is
actually within mainstream. Now that's obviously really really scary. But
the other thing that came out that if you do
consume this type of content, it can impact a male's
view on a woman in a way that she can
be inferior. And obviously that is incredibly problematic if those
kind of belief systems are being instilled in a piece
(01:49):
of research. I believe it was from E sixty one
Institute gen z Men. They believe in gender roles more
than the older generation. Wow, which is insane.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That really does feel like it's flips like it's only
taking a few generations for it to go back.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
The other what do you think was the turning point there, Laura.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So it feels like in my head, you always when
you're talking about you know, toxic masculinity and stuff, that's
the older generation. What has happened for that to go
back the other way?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I think the biggest thing is because this content has
come into mainstream and men are making a lot of
money from it, and the thing that's really scary is
very ready to go on someone's page, and every single
piece of content is misogynistic. But it's the fitness content.
It's the you know, discipline for it, like go go, go,
punish yourself. Don't that you have to otherwise you're weak.
And then also make money quick or this is how
(02:39):
you make money kind of content. That's what it's kind
of surrounded by, which you can understand that that can
be appealing to people. They see it, they start following,
and then their beliefs actually impact.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
One of the women down in just down on the
floor was showing me something on Instagram the other day
that she follows called Hinge bios. So it's like screenshots
of guys bios on Hinge hilarious. I asked if it
was a joke one of them like the tagline like
under his name was I don't think you should be
able to have a child if you can't control.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
What you put into your body every day. That was
his bit. That was it, and just a photo of
him with his rig out. Is that the point for
like clean living was that the point was if.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You can't diet properly to keep wade off, I don't
think you should be able to have a kid. Oh
that was the bit. And I was like, what is
this a joke? And she was like no, I have
a look and show you another one again. The tag
one in his profile was just I will make you
feel insecure.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And there's only dating at where he's trying to attract women.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And they think that that will attract women strong man. Yeah,
it's so.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Scary actually, it's only I had to have explained to me.
I was like, what's he going for?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So la other women that are believing this too now.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yeah, so we have seen a really big rise recently
and kind of the trad wives traditional wife exactly. But
there's kind of now a type of social media influencer
that he's a trad wife. There are women that follow
this this type of belief system, I suppose, but it's
nothing to do with it being a stay home parent
(04:06):
being bad.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
At it's funny to say that. I actually I'm very glad.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think earlier, very early on, we I said seven,
I sat down with our accountant and explained that I
was going to keep working while she had Max and
looked after Max and raised her. And one of the
first things he said is he was like, all right, mate,
well you're going to be earning money. She's not going
to be earning money. So he was like, I don't
really want to strong arm you into this, but I
think you should just kind of just needed to join
everything because otherwise, you know, well, like even if like
(04:30):
I die or whatever, like you know, if I haven't
got impact, if I haven't got income protection or you know,
all that sort of stuff, you're gonna be leaving a
completely high and dry I don't think you should if
you listen to this, and you should, you should necessarily
blame yourself if it's not something you thought of before either.
Because the reason that a lot of this kind of
manisphere of stuff has arisen, and maybe why a lot
of the younger boys are gravitating towards it, is because
there was that move towards you know, like condemning toxic masculinity,
(04:53):
et cetera. But I think that, like, you know, as
can naturally happen, the left can kind of start eating itself,
where you get wrapping young boys over over the head
with a stick and being like you're not you're not
good enough, you're all toxic, and then they don't have
anyone to.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Talk to, and then there's almost like a bell.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And then all of a sudden, there's a guy over
here going, hey, people making you feel alienated and redundant
and that you're sexually impotent. Hey, there's this there's this
language we're all using over here, we're all getting around
each other. So you could see the natural progression there.
So I mentioned that because if you haven't had these
thoughts to yourself about this, and you haven't thought about
your role, you know, with your partner or how you
might be able to support them, and thinking about superannuation stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
That's okay. Yeah, you know the best time. The best
time to plant a tree is ten years ago or
right now.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know, I think it's just listening to it now
and going like oh and understanding it from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, absolutely, we're not judging you for it, and you
might have been aware of it. You might have been
caught up in this group and been like, it is
I've been talking like that.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
This Chris guy thought he was doing the right thing.
I think it's also important to demonize this Chris Griffin guy.
I think he's he's saying that thinking I'm being a
great partner through all of this.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it's yeah. Arguably yes, be the scariest part about
it though. Thanks so much for coming in. Thank you
really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Headlong to the kick app. Find out more Kick's new
strength trainer on the kick app. Go and get it
around stuff and Laura. We love getting around these guys.
There are all some thanks for coming in.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Laura, thank you so much for having me.
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