October 6, 2025 • 42 mins
- Professional Baby Namer Taylor Humphrey - Will Pranks Sem with some terrible names
- Did you quit work in a blaze of glory?
- Social Media Ban for under 16s
- Where was your partner when you went into Labour?
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
My Heart podcasts, hear more Kids podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on the free I Hard app.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The Will and Moody podcast. So. Taylor A.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Humphrey is a woman a decade ago who started posting
about her obsession about baby names.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
She now makes forty five thousand dollars a name.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Who in their right mind would pay forty five grand.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah for someone to come up with their back Like
coming up with the baby name is fun.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, it's like, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
In my opinion, should be quite a you know, a
personal thing to be doing about the trial that you're
about to bring into the world. I just can't believe
people would like give that job to someone else.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's pretty crazy, isn't it like to think that you're
relying on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I Mean, you were just said, we just have to
put down to the fact that these people have more
money than sense. It's just one.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's like when you find out Jay Z was at
a cocktail party where it was twenty thousand dollars a drink. Sure,
money is just not a thing anymore, You're right, that
just becomes a bit funny.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You just start brainstorming about how do I spend all
this money that I've got because I need to spend it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So it's those people, right, the status thing as well.
Oh my child was named by Taylor A Humphrey. Yeah,
I think is that name of Taylor Humphrey?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh it's Humphrey. Is it a Humphrey. Yeah, it's like
a piece of art. What's your child called Spade? Oh
it's a Humphrey. Yeah. Right, and they'll all be names
like that. Sure. Do you have any examples of names
that she goes for?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
No, eiugh, I do know that she did one hundred
names in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay, it's good, it's good. So she works one hundred
days out of three sixty five.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, so she did one hundred names and at forty
five thousand dollars a name, four hundred and fifty K.
So then she did no, she made four point five
million dollars US. Oh my from naming kids in twenty twenty.
Not not shabby.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
How is someone undercutter?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
How how is someone noting this and going.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's like it's like the same thing as like if
you walk, you know, you saw a Jackson pollock and
you're like, wow, it's a pollock and then someone goes,
I'll throw some paint with a brush on him.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So true. You know you're not paying sixty million dollars
for it. Yeah, it's very true. To Pollock, it's very true.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Do you although, I mean, picking a nap out of
a dictionary does seem like an easier process than painting
on canvas.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Do you do you think? Do you think Humphrey like
creates a presentation like a PowerPoint slide go through? Here
are the reasons I thought of this hat and.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
This day and age would be the star sign. It'd be,
you know, tied in with what Chinese New.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Year it was. Should have that all.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
The all the the planets would be aligning. She'd have
to be good at the jargon. It's the reasoning behind.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Then.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I think we're trying to get Humphrey on, aren't we,
Taylor A we are We're a line in the water.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, we've reached out. No, she's busy, busy, she works
a hundred days a year. She's busy.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Shed to do a contra. A contra and that's the
industry term for we'll give.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
For your name. I thought you've already chosen a name.
But if it's a Humphrey.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Man, No, I haven't chosen my name yet, wife, I
haven't chosen.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
My name yet.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Sure I would like the Humphrey. I think we'll both
get a Humphrey and too.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Humphreys for free. When it's ninety that's ninety thousand US
for two names.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Contra, we're giving a yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Look it does remind I am actually in a bind
trying to pick our baby name at the moment. I
actually might need to get a Humphrey if we do
get a Humphrey, and I might need her because Sam
takes none of my baby name seriously, like quite ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
To the point where.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You feel I feel disenfranchised in that conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
She's taken away all my power. You pitched Persephone for
your first child.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Beautiful name, Percy, beautiful story, beautiful stories. Well hate his
wife dragted to the underworld. Anyway, Look, I love forseephone.
It's got a great story behind as well. But anyway,
she thinks all my names are a joke, and it's
got to the point now where I'm just now pitching awful.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Names at her. I kind of want to do I
want to do it on the air up next because
it's a fun bit. She hates it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, and not helping yourself though. This boy who cried
wolf Wolf's are good night wolf talking about this? This
this professional baby name it Taylor A.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Humphrey lives in San Francisco. Forty five thousand dollars A pop.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Her her name your baby. That's just what she what
she charges woods. Now before we get into I love it.
I kind of respect her.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now the more I think about it, the more I'm like,
you found a hole in the market that no one
thought was there. Well, she said, she's actually said, she said,
it's actually a bit of a.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Shame when people make fun of me on the internet.
But then she said, at the same time, it's kind
of silly that I come up with baby names for
a living.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So she's leaning in. She's leading five million dollars to say,
she's leaning into the cash. She's hardcore leaning into the cash.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
She's in the Bay Area in San Francisco where people
have just got monopoly money, and she's she's killing it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
We could take over Australia. We could be her Australian wing.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
We could be So she's got this website. You guys
can go on it's called name Brie and to people
just copy the humphries though, like you hear about the
Humphries that she's gone for, yeah, and then you just
take the name.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Like she revealed some of the names there bespoke, so
some of the names, so some of that. Apparently the
whole idea is that these influences and celebrities and stuff
that send their kids to daycare, they don't want to
have their kid having the same name as somebody else.
So that's kind of the challenges. You want to try
and make a name that's unique but also is not
(05:38):
like on the nose if you like. So if some
examples are poetry Lucia, sorry a name poetry Lucia is
the full name, so poetry Lucia and then the last.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Name rumble honey.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Anyway, there's a couple there, so do you get like
a TakeBack though it's like if I plaid forty five,
she goes rumble honey.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Surely there's no reviews, go back to the bank, do
whatever you do, But I'm not named a child rumble honey.
Are they all hyphenated? There are two words that's also
in vogue. That's the telltale sign of a Humphrey.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That it's two okay, anyway, I can't read that anymore
of them apparently, Oh yeah, right anyway, so Woodrow.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So rumble Honey is a like famous daughter of like
a famous model in America?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Is that right? That's already writing? Oh oh, rumble Honey
is already a famous celeb. Rumble Honey is a little
girl like Lucky be Smith is her dude. I don't
know who that is. But did all sound like fake people?
Did Lucky B Smith hire Taylor Humphrey?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't think so. You don't know that. You can't
come up rumble Honey.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Don't tell me that someone's coming with them rumble Honey
off their own head, hump all over it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's why she's the best. You don't know b Smith
as well? And the other kids are slim easy and whimsy.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Loo Whimsy Lose sounds like a Humphrey.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They're not real anyway, Whimsy Loo's got Humphrey all over it? Right?
Does it does? Anyway? Look?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I am in the position now where my baby names
just aren't landing with my partner Sam pitching names.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
She's twenty four weeks pregnant.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She just she actually just mocks the names that I pick,
which is unfair, so in retaliation, and yes, I know
this is childish woods and this I am childish sometimes
particularly and I don't get my way. So what I've
started doing is just pitching names that I don't want
but are obvious that I don't want.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You're doing yourself harm here though, but also never take
Also I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, okay, I'm enjoying it. And then I will wear
her down so you can enjoy it. Yeah, you guys,
can you guys can enjoy this here.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
We we're gonna call seven. How I'll put you a
fewal rank ones today. Hey, oh hey, how you going?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Oh you're good? Just stepping away for a second. Oh yeah,
it's been busy. M Yeah, how are you going there? Yeah,
just been a lot going on in your bike helmet.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh yeah, lot's going on. That's kind on.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, it's nice to be and I've got a little
bit of time off now. But I it has meant
that I've had a chance to have a think about
a few baby names.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't know if you had a second, but I
just don't know how just listen to them?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh yeah, but are you prepared for my feedback?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know you're going to be savage. That's fine. You
might like one. Okay, okay, okay, I really like Randy. Randy,
sure you know what that means? No, Randy, do you
remember like the Killer Whill?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
What is that movie called.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Very Willy Randy was the Dead? Or like the care Randy?
Good memory?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I thought you were saying, prey Willy was Randy?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What do you like about Randy?
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Though?
Speaker 8 (09:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I just think it's playful. It's not like it. I'll
get moving. It's fine. No, no, don't like it. It's fine.
I'll just keep moving. Why do you want it so funny?
It's not fair. This is actually like these names for
(09:29):
a new puppy dog here Pegasus. Now that can also
be but for a girl that can be piggy.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
But I like Peggy ruined it for me by making megas.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
If it's a boy, Peggy, if it's a good well,
if you're don't like that, that's fine. It doesn't mean
that pepe is back on the tape. Was a great name.
One was the other one here the other day it's
(10:16):
it's your favorite drink. Can't comes too much bill. It's unfair. Yeah, goodbye, ridiculous.
I don't think you mnd a chart to know you see.
I don't think you might see she laughed in my face.
(10:37):
Yet nowhere, I.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Want to talk about this guy in Chili who has
lived out I think the dream that all of us
have had at some stage in our lives. So he
was accidentally paid three hundred and thirty times his wage.
So he usually gets seven hundred and eighty six Australian
dollars a month. He's an office assistant at dan Corcio
(11:04):
Industrial de Alimentos the Chile.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
No notes which georgeous? Which gorgeous? Which is in Chili?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But so when he obviously goes to his banking account
to check that he was paid for the month, he
was actually paid two hundred and fifty eight thousand Australian dollars.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So I'm interested to hear from you if that happens
to you. Yeah right, you're usually paid three hundred and
eighty six bucks. You get paid two hundred and fifty grand.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
What's your response to that? Where's the money coming from?
Who's it? Your work?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Your workplace has paid well, now it's your company. The
company you work it's come from. I'll go for it again.
Dan Courses seeks your industrial to Alimentos to Chili.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, but I would just like to remove our personal
company from this equation if possible.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You can't. Oh okay, this.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Company pays you that much money, you just take it. Probably, Okay.
So this guy, he takes the money.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean until they come asking. Okay, so you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Okay, Sure, So he takes the money and quits. He
just sees two hundred and fifty grand and goes, oh
my god, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Quit. Does he spend it?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So it leads to this big legal fight, right because
he's like, I should be able to keep it. When
it was done with the courts, the courts agreed that
he should be able to keep it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So he's laughing.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I think if he I think if he spends it,
they also can't get it back.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So I think that's what happened to your question. That's
what I would have done. I would have been immediately,
what's your first purchase? But just a lot of admin anyway,
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a boat.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I just think it's a lot of admin. Got to
clean it, but it almost been two fifty thousand dollars
on the boat. I'd spend one hundred thousand dollars on
the boat. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, I get it. And
then I had one hundred fifty thousand for you know, upkeep.
What's up keeping? We're talking about clean clean. You got
to like higher more and more more petrol clean a lot.
There's a lot of things anyway, what I want to
do with.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The cash fifty I think i'd buy a small company.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I just I just walk in and go. I want
your T shirt business like a market store.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You want your candle business, children, I want your candle
probably buy it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
For ten grand.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It's actually really hard to think of what you would
do unless you're like you're buying a house, isn't it
turn video gad. It's a lot to spend, yeah, particularly
not in the cars or you know, we're not really
into any of that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Okay, Well, I want to focus on what you spend
the money on.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I would What I do want to ask you guys
at thirteen one oh sixty five is I just want
to hear if you've done something similar to this guy,
and have you quit your job?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
In a blaze of glory. You can picture that, can't you?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Like you just imagine he's sitting at his office, his
desk or whatever. He sees that he's got two hundred
and fifty k in his account, and it's just like,
throw the mouse down, two hands in the air.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Probably just give the bird to everyone. I imagine see
you later.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That is quitting your job in a blaze of glory,
two hundred and fifty k in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So yeah, thirteen one oh six five, have you done it?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I think the closest that I've come will and you
were kind of part of this. We were once paid
by an alcohol company to host the National Mogul Championships
at a at a I'm not going to say which
mountain it was that I really want to make I
want to be very careful about anyone identifying what we
were actually doing.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
We're doing that. We started drinking the product.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They actually said, can you always hold one of these
alcoholic beverages?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'll die on that hill? Sure it, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Anyway, we were removed from the microphones about halfway through
the National Mogul Championships, and then I decided to get
naked and go down the mountain on a Honitor boggan. Yeah,
that's a blazing glory. I don't think they paid us
for that, No, no, no, but that was agreed from
the start. But we agreed to not being paid. Yeah,
(14:59):
they said free accommodation. Well that's why weekend time. Yeah,
it was free booth drinking our feet anyway, thirteen one
sixty five is the name got wild that day? Have
you left in a blazer glory to just steal some
stuff on the way out?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You went in awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Damage mount and yeah, in front of like all the
parents and stuff from the Mogal crop.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And I think everyone thought it was legendary. In my head,
in my my recollection is that was awesome. It was
a fun night after. Did you leave work in a
blaze of glory? It's a dream of mine. It's definitely
a dream of mine. Happened to a bloke in Chile.
(15:41):
He was paid accidentally three hundred and thirty times his wage.
He received that money, he quit immediately left in a
blazer glory. I'm not one hundred per cent sur if
it is true. Just a little bit of creative license
from me. Oh, I love it when you start a
story like that we've been less This is a design
post it and just go. This is just me imagining
what I think would have happened. But you're doing like
(16:03):
you're doing something to your boss on the way out,
aren't you.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
He's just paid you three hundred and thirty times your way.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I mean, I'm trying to think of appropriate things I do.
Like I'm just walking in there and just doing that
thing where you know, you just like sweep everything off
his desk to your boss. Yeah, you just you just
whip everything off the desk and then just go double
bird and then say I quit.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Why surely I would just be I'd be slinking off
into the night and not making any fast as soon
as you do that.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
As soon as you do that, they'll be like, that's
going on with whitelaw counts quickly? You want to know?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
No, so really sorry, something horrifics come up in my
life in North America.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I know you don't know anything about that, but death
and the family got to be there. Must quit now.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, that's smarter, not as fun, and I do want
to know. I'm thirteen one o six five. Yeah, if
you have left your job in a blaze of glory.
Let's go to Tatum here. Tatum, you left work in
a blaze of glory?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Hi, guys, Yes I did. I had just got a
new puppy and had asked to either take leave and
was not allowed. So my other option was to bring
her in with me in a little plate pen next
to my desk, and also got told no. So I
I got told no because apparently she would be too
(17:27):
messy for the office. So in my blaze of glory,
I quit on the spot and knocked over a whole
bunch of pot plants to clean up.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Annoying thing to pick up, Like, hell, a couple of things,
are you like?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Was it a classy pot plant pot plant takedown?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Like?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
How many were there? And was it like one at
a time? Were you like picking him up and throwing
him in the air. It was just a bit of
an elbow.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
On the way out.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
No, there was a few. It was about three or
four on the desk. I was in a row and
I I was cleaning off my desk. I just accidentally
popped them all off and thought that there's the mess.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
The sweep. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Love that I don't want to get into the debate
of whether the dog should be in the office. But
just to side with your boss a little bit. The
dog was in here the other day and took a
poo just outside this year, took a big poo. You
are joking, and I'm getting looks. I'm getting looks I
shouldn't bring that up.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Let's goside of the studio. Big poop just outside the studio.
There that dog?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
The dog? I didn't realize that I was talking about
something quite controversial. Controversial? Is it that we're talking about
the same dog, aren't we? I think we're talking about
the same dog. Controversial and I've just stepped in that
mind the pan. How big was the poo? Little poo?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Big?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And Alsia saying it was big? Is that right? Has
the owner been reprimanded or they don't know about it? No?
I think that is the controversy.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
The owner doesn't even know that the dog exists. I
reckon the owner doesn't know the dog exists. Like, it's
not even what you mean happened to owner not know
their dog exist? I don't even think she She's just
so detached from her and then she just rocks up.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was like, oh yeah, I've got a dog. That's right.
Then the dog two's outside our studio. That's the dog.
We're doing mat right, We all know, yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
We all know.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah. Anyway, yeah, so I was going to cash that dog.
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I just want to wrap this up that. Yeah, dogs
in the office can be a problem. Yeah, it's got
a mad here.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Nat.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You you also quit your job and laser glory talk.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
To us, Nat.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Well, it was quite a few years ago now, and
I was working as a fashion designer and was working
for this guy who was a bit loose, and he
was pushing my buttons probably, and I had to basically
show him my range for the season. And I showed
him a men poor shirt and hey, it had one
(19:57):
pocket on it, and he said, why doesn't it have tooth?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (20:01):
Yeah, So I lost it and I grabbed a wooden
coat hanger and smashed it across his head, told him
where to go. He was the biggest I ever met,
like everyone, So smashed it across his head. And I'm
(20:22):
driving a belly at the time, a big old belly.
So I jumped in that with my cowboys hat on.
I'm down my window and stuck my finger up and
burned off.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's a blazing glory net. We'll give it to you
border on as salt. But let's go to Natasha. Here
a wooden coat hanger over his head.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That wouldn't tickle Natasha. I mean, I've never known one
pocket's fine as well. I don't really get on a
shirt wearing a shirt with two pockets.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
He's practical. It's a woman's shirt, isn't it. Natasha is
called that.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Women's fits better? Natasha, Hello, Natasha? You could you having
a blaze of glory to talk to us?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I sure did.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
I've been working in a cafe for a few years.
All the custom it loves me.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I loved the job I got let go on the
spot just because they couldn't afford to keep everyone there.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
The business wasn't doing too good.
Speaker 9 (21:25):
So I spent the whole day giving everyone free coffees
and free breakfast.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Where it hurts, don't where it hurts. Love that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So from December tenth, social media platforms are forced to
block out under sixteen in Australia from holding accounts. Look,
I honestly I think that this the intent behind this
is obviously wonderful. I have not got a teenager yet,
but I'm terrified about what the internet will do to that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Being said, I think this is.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't think it's going to work, and I think
it's and I think it's lazy, and I think it
actually demonstrates a deep misunderstanding of how the Internet works.
Number one, and number two, how naive parents are about
the fact that they think they can keep people off
it like it it is so easy to get around,
(22:25):
like to get around these sorts of things on the Internet.
And I think it is really just an attempt in
vain for parents to protect themselves and their own guilt
around how their kid might be manipulated by something they're
watching online. And I think it is also the guilt
over the fact that they've got no control over their
screen time and their Enginet usage.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Cop that elbow. So how will it work though?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So those facial recognitions episodes where so that's it. So
you'll put your face up to your phone, yes, and
then the facial recognition will know if you are older
or younger than sixteen.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think that's so basically you got to register analyze
the person's face and there's going to be a bunch
of technolo.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
There's going to be a bunch of technologies. I think
that will all depend on So isn't this good though
that because I know so, don't get me wrong. I
think the smart smart kids will figure out a way
to crack the code or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But let's say if it blocks, well.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
There's no code anymore, you'll probably just download NAP right, Okay,
you're just download a VPN. I mean, just download a VPN,
bounce your bounce your bounce your ip off a mirror
website and it'll just think you're logging in from the
Netherlands and then it'll be like, oh, okay, no software required, cheers.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But I don't know how to do that. I have
a thirty seven year old. We do that currently for
our three year old. You could download a VPN tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But okay, but let's just say, let's just look.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I promise you, as a fifteen year old, I don't
know how to do it, you're but as a fifteen
year old, kids do know how to do this stuff.
Oh is the kids are way more savvy on phones
these days than you are. Right, if they wanted to
block you out there, just you'd probably just type block
around the phone. If you done in December ten, I'll
be like, why can't I get into Instagram?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
What's wrong? Is my fat tech needed?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But will block any one lover? Like is there a
percentage there where it's like, okay, this this These kids
haven't look that.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
History has shown as a billion times and billion times
over if you try and ban age groups or people
from things that they can get around, they will get
around it. I think makes it sexier in a way,
and even like Australia's probably the only country in the
world that this could work because where the most overly
(24:26):
governed country in the world and we actually can enforce
I mean, there's no other country in the world that
could have gone into lockdown like we went into lockdown.
Sure every other country in the world looked at that
and was like are you guys mad?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like how are you doing that? We Australians, we're quite
proud to be obedient people.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So I do think it is possible in Australia that
this sort of thing could take in a social setting
because everyone's very careful in Australia. We like to be
safe and clean and careful. But the reality is you're
dealing with the internet. The Internet's not based anywhere. The
Internet was designed to be controlled by end to end users,
there's no That's why you can't sue anyone who's done
something online, because you go like, oh, well, you know
you're selling weapons online, and it's like, well, great, where
(25:02):
are you going to assume me? Like, what jurisdiction did
that land in? It's on the Internet and it's not
in America. I'm not in Europe, mate, it's online. Sure,
the whole thing exists on this platform, which is designed
to be accessed by everyone. Sure, So I think that
I personally think there's a whole bunch of guilt going
on from people going, oh my god, our teenagers are
(25:22):
in trouble. And as I said, I haven't got a
teenager yet, I would be equally scared. But I don't
think this is going to do anything. In fact, if anything,
I mean, think about it when you're a teenager and
your mum and dad are like, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What did you want to do? I listened to my
parents coming very much and as a good boy.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Now, but don't you think that as a like a
I'm thinking about the future as well. Obviously, when Remy
becomes a teenager, don't you think it helps you in
that discussion though around social media, if you can go
it's illegal, like' you can't have Instagram because there is
a law against it, like similar to drinking. Like I
think because there's an age there where drinking becomes legal,
(25:58):
that's an easier conversation as a parent to go, no,
you can't drink.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's to be from drinking as a fifteen sixteen year old.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So I think no, no, but but but in.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Fact, if anything, again, it just turned it into a
holy grail. It made it harder though. It did make
it harder, though it created it hurt. I couldn't go
home d it harder, and it made the reward bigger.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, but I couldn't come home from school and crack
open a beer. I had to wait till the weekend,
pay for someone to go into the bottle shop. You know,
there was effort and work, right, So I think by
making work an effort for people to get on to
social media, surely that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
This will not be working effort. These kids will be
so good at this. They've all got the phones. Yeah,
I mean, unless we all start doing what you know,
little Johnny Howard did back with the guns and he
opens up the dumpsters and you get to rock up
and throw your gun in the thing. And that's what
the teenagers do with their phones, and they get rid
of their phones.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
That'd be great.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
If you have a phone that is connected to the Internet,
you're not going to keep a kid.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Off off this stuff. That's my view.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm happy to hear from some other people in thirteen
one and six five if you think this social media
ban is destined to fail or everything's actually a great idea.
We are going to be joined by someone who actually
knows a lot more about this. So Nigel Fair is
a professor of Software Systems and cybersecurity at m Nash University.
An all round good guy, apparently he said about himself,
which I think is very Which side is he on? Well,
you have to ask Nigel right up now truth.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's William Woddy.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Guys, hope you're having a great Monday afternoon social media event.
Do you reckon it's going to be a winner or
destined to fail? Nigel Fair, professor joins something next to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
WHILLIMODDI anyway, look we've got.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Nigel Fair, who is professor of Software Systems and cybersecurity
at one Ash University. Nigel, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Do you think this is going to work? Nigel?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I don't think we should look at us in this
being the silver bullet to the problems that young people
have online mental health, screen addiction, privacy, etcetera, etcetera. I
think we've got to look at it being a long
burn and this needs to be one suite of many,
many things that we do to provide the tools and
techniques for young people that think about what they're going
(27:57):
to do in the online environment.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
So, Nigel, we was kind of saying before the song though,
that I mean for these kids that are way more
tech savy than me, that it's going to be very
very easy for them to get around this of under
sixteen year olds with your expertise, do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like is where is it going to be easy to
get around?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well, yes, there's certainly going to be ways that they're
going to get around. They'll be talking about it now
how they can get around it with you, whether it
with a VPN or whether it's gaming the system. But
you know, this is where the legislation is going to
be relying on the social media company is actually not
going to be an offense if you're under sixteen to
create an account. It's relying on the social media companies
(28:37):
to detect your user activity and potentially block you or otherwise.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right right, Oh, sorry, so they the social media companies
can choose to block you.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, so there's you know, there's a great thing in life.
There's two things you don't want to ever watch being made.
When he is sausages and the other one is laws.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I love watchinges being made. What are you talking about
watching a sausage sysem?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean stuffed? Oh yeah, disgusting. Sorry, so god.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Talking. It's a different matter what thing are being made. Yeah,
maybe not so much. But the legislation talks about the
social media coming to having to take reasonable steps, and
you can choose whatever definition you want to put around
the phrase reasonable steps. But that's what they've got to do.
So it's quite like touch what it is. But you know,
(29:33):
I think the real discussion will we have in twelve,
twenty four, thirty six months to see what difference it's made.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Happen we're being kicked up. I was going to say
that I's been.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Able to create accounts, etcetera.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I've just heard you and I do you think that?
So let's say that you know, let's say this is successful.
Let's say that you know, I don't know. Eighty percent
of sixteen year olds now sixteen unders stay off social media.
Do you like, how different is that seventeen year old
going to be versus the seventeen year old that is
on social media?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Well, I think it's society we've made an assessment of
as you you get older and you get more mature,
you can start making better choices about the things that
you see, whether it's online or offline. And that's really
why the sign we can vote when we're adeen, we
can drink when we're adeen, you know. So it's on
that step of the many people would argue and they
(30:25):
bring it into the UK that you can vote from
being sixteen. There's a lot of attuned people to the
public policy. So that's where it is, and that's where
part of the reason this bangs bringing brought into is
because young people are seeing things in the online environment
they really shouldn't be said, right, they're getting groomed, they're
getting they're seeing images that aren't appropriate. They're suffering from
(30:46):
mental health issues because of the the fomo, all sorts
of different things. You know, a lot of these social
media platforms are very addictive, you know, and it's the
concept of I'm always going to be a vailable because
my friends are always going to be a vailable aligned
this social compact that they have, with the argument being
they're not prepared mentally to cope with that. Under sixteen.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Hi, Nigel, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Professor of Software Systems and Cybersecurity, Monised University.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Nigel fair there and all around good guy. Been loving
to meet you.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Nige, Thanks God cheers. Hey, I got to Julia here,
who's called in Julia? You don't think the social media
band's going to work?
Speaker 11 (31:23):
No, I don't think it will work all the u jeels.
I'm nineteen. I'm born in two thousand and six. However,
I wasn't on social media till I turned thirteen. Starting
year seven, I got an iPhone. That was when I
was first really introduced to the social media world. But
I don't think you know, these young kids that I
(31:45):
look after, IM and Nanny, I look after young kids
snag Jen Alpha, they are all electronics. Where there's a will,
where there's a way, I think they will find a way,
whether it's putting their account under their mum or dad's name,
or you know, getting a VPN or a different device,
they will find a way and they will get on
that social media.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
If you have. You found with the kids you look after,
are they pretty addicted to it? Always the heads up?
Speaker 11 (32:11):
Yeah, yes, as soon as we get home. I picked
them up from school. As soon as we get home,
it's straight onto something. It's straight onto, whether it's the iPad,
whether it's the Xbox, whether it's whatever device is in
hands reach. As soon as they walk into that front door.
There's no more in the morning as well, they're on
their iPads. There's no more watching cartoons in the morning,
(32:32):
or you know, just sitting on the couch.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It sounds like a pretty sweet gig for you, though, Julia.
Fifty bucks an hour it is going on social media yourself,
Julia vervit. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 11 (32:42):
I just have to watch them.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
That's my job, Julia.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
What's in the drop sign? Just reminder everyone he could
leave the studio at any stage. Yes, I go drop
nailed it? Not going again? That fair enough? So yes.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Mims thirty eight weeks pregnant, so full term.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Still a couple of weeks away.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But look, at the end of the day, at any moment,
my phone could go off and I'll be going straight
to hospital to bring into the world our second child,
which is very, very exciting.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
But here's the thing. Got the name sorted, So yes,
we do have a name sorted flying around with the
name flying around using it. Well, yeah, yes, I like to.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I like to communicate with the baby in utro with
the name, which is what we did with Remy as well.
So we've got a name that cuts both ways. So
girl or boy, that's the name we.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Had this chance if they come out and they're just like,
not that.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yes, So me and I have had that chat, and
we've got some other names that are around, which is
they will only have them. We'll only dip into the
backup names if we both look at it and go
oh wow, it's not a yeah yeah yeah that So
that may happen.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, that's good. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The thing about the drop sigone, which I kind of
forgot from our first child, is that I'm sure you
can relate to this. Will is you're in this period
of time where, because the baby could come at any moment,
you've gotta be very careful about what you do and
where you go.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, well you put a perimeter on yourself. I know
that much.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yes, perimeter is there's no interstate flights anymore. There's really
I don't want to be any more than i'd say
an hour away from home for the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
That's knocked off your cycling drips. Yes, the cycling has
taken a hit.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
A small sacrifice though, will that is a small sacrifice.
There was a tough conversation because, yeah, I went for
a big bike ride when just before Remy was born,
and that would have been really bad if trend to
labor anyway. So, yeah, cycling's off the cards, but you've
also got to be very careful about what you put on.
So it was my first daughter's birthday on Saturday, and
(34:52):
it's become a bit of a ritual for us that
we will both dress up for our daughter. I would
just dress up in the thing that she's really into.
So I dressed up as the Cheshire cat. Yeah, from
Alice in Wonderland, the classic Alice in Wonderland.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Missing there creepy cat. So he's not creepy, he's so creepy. No,
you can't trust him.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's strange that Remy loves the Cheshire cat so much
when if you look at the Cheshire cat, you're like,
you just cannot trust that cat.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I think it's Chesshire.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
By the way, it is, Well, we're rolling with Chesi
ches So I was in full Cheshire get up, right fully,
fully done. And then mim painted her pregnant belly green
and created Mike Wizowski. So she had that painted on
her belly. So just picture that. So I'm full Cheshire cat.
(35:47):
She's painted belly Mike Wazowski. She goes down in pain
on the couch nine am Saturday morning, and I was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
And then in.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Character I had to ask her and it was like
for a moment there, I was like, I'm about to
get the bags and we're going to go, and I'm
going to go through the birth dressed as Cheshire cat,
and you're going to deliver a baby with Mike Wazowski.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Paint it on your belly. Wow.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Turns out Braxton Hicks fake labor pains. We didn't have
to go to hospital, but I'm just interested. Thirteen one
oh sixty five is the number. Yeah, where was your
partner when you went into labor. Yeah, okay, where were
they or what were they in the middle of when
you had to try and get in touch with them
(36:31):
and be like, can you pull yourself out of whatever
you're doing?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yep, because we've got a baby on the way. We'll
take you cause on next thirty one and six five.
Sure have all been. There's lots of horrible scenarios that
you might have been in.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Made of Mine was a number of sheets to the
wind like he was. He was on his way at
the pub. He got the phone call.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
That's silly, that's just a silly boy. All behavior is
a silly boy. His wife was not happy at all. Happy.
We'll take you cause next with the money Woods could
leave the studio at any second, guys, he's in the
job zone.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Drop. That's it thirty eight weeks pregnant, which just means
at any moment the phone call could come and then
the show that you guys have always wanted a will show.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It will take over. Who knows what the Big Fellow
Bill will cover without the ball and chain. Oh, it's
going to be the best of program eighty five to
ninety five. What a sell.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So because I am in the drop zone and the
baby can come any moment. We did have a moment
on Saturday morning where I was dressed as the Cheschier cat.
Mim had a painting of Mike Wazowski and her tummy.
We're celebrating our first daughter's birthday, and we genuinely thought
she was going into labor, which would have meant Mike
Wazowski and the Cheschier Cat, We're going to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
So I'm just interested on thirteen one oh six five as.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
To where was your partner when you went into labor
or what were they in the middle of before I
got to Rachel quick one for you fortieth birthday this Saturday,
hour and a half drive away. A.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Well, it looks at my our I thought that'd be
a straight up no.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, our virtual labor, I feel has been very was
pretty Sam was pretty relaxed about it because she was like,
by the time I had my first contraction, by the
time you get here's nothing you can really do.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
True in that first hour and a half two hours anyway,
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So it wasn't as I think flying is probably a
good limit. Yeah, sure, yeah, no flying.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You know, when they had their first contractions, A long
time before Anya, you get down to the business end.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I'm on Tens. I think that's on the Tens machine.
I'm on Ten's machine. I got a few little dot
I've got a few dot points. I was on the
Tens machine. Then I had it ripped out of my hand.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, it happens quickly, doesn't it. It's delegated. And then
when they're in there, they're like, give me that. It's
going to Rachel on thirty one or six five.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Rachel, where was your partner when you went into labor?
Speaker 12 (38:56):
Well, my partner was at come with me. However, it
was my brother's twenty first birthday, and she said to me,
don't you dare go in labor because everyone was going
to be intoxicated.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
Obviously.
Speaker 12 (39:08):
Sure yeah, and sure enough. I went into labor at
midnight that night and everybody was half tanked. Being my first, thankfully,
it took time. So I called my mom and she
had to come down. She was the way for the weekend,
so she has come all the way back to take
(39:29):
me because my brother was still over the limit by
the next day.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
True thought, because that's the other thing to go think about,
is like, like, I'll be driving, so you do have
to think about that a little bit like you need
to be of.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
A Yeah, getting nebriated on anything is a really bad idea.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Ellen's called unless you want like a perfect hell by
the way, yeah, God, but I'm pretty sure that is.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Take you to a place where you're in need, but
you can't help because you're intoxicated.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Could loosen you up. I won't go and I won't
go to that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I will not go let you in if it was
bad enough. Yeah, and Ellen, what was your partner doing
when you went into labor.
Speaker 9 (40:10):
My partner was in church playing in the church choir
when I messaged him to say, can you please come
home because I'm in labor, And he did suggest that
he wait till church was over before and came home.
Fortunately he did take the hint and was home by
seven pm and she was born at seven thirty pm
(40:35):
at the hospital, just in time.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
When you said he took the Intell and was that
he read a very stern message from you.
Speaker 9 (40:43):
Well, I think a few people were calling him to
say you need to get home.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
To drop it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably why you
married him, Helen. You probably married him he takes his.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
Well, it was one of the reasons.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Do you no longer together?
Speaker 9 (41:00):
No, we're still together. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Did he play a bit of music in the.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
He did?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Oh no, not at all.
Speaker 9 (41:07):
There was no time, no time from half now.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I can't bring the organ, can't bring the organ, the
organs at all.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
There pretty much imovable organs once they're in there in
is that right?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Well, yeah, they're organs. They're huge. Yeah, it's very hard
to transport.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's a fair point. Ale's got to Jermaine here. I
have to bring her to the church. That's what you
have to do.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Jermaine.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You were somewhere whilst your partner went into labor.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Bit of a confession here, Jermaine.
Speaker 12 (41:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (41:35):
So my wife insisted that I don't go to soccer
that evening, and I decided I should go to sock.
I went to soccer after I finished my game and
our game I had about thousand misscores, and I caught
her back. Didn't have called her brother, mother in law
and she had a baby.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh you missed the whole thing, Jermaine.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
I missed the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Oh god, what what what did she say when you
first saw her?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Jermaine?
Speaker 10 (42:07):
Two years later, I still here?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, and I mean the other side, Jermain, did you
have a win in.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
The game, Yeah, like it. At least I got something
out of that night.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You don't assert it to your one, probably don't
My Heart podcasts, hear more Kids podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on the free I Hard app.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The Will and Moody podcast. So. Taylor A.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Humphrey is a woman a decade ago who started posting
about her obsession about baby names.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
She now makes forty five thousand dollars a name.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Who in their right mind would pay forty five grand.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah for someone to come up with their back Like
coming up with the baby name is fun.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, it's like, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
In my opinion, should be quite a you know, a
personal thing to be doing about the trial that you're
about to bring into the world. I just can't believe
people would like give that job to someone else.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's pretty crazy, isn't it like to think that you're
relying on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I Mean, you were just said, we just have to
put down to the fact that these people have more
money than sense. It's just one.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's like when you find out Jay Z was at
a cocktail party where it was twenty thousand dollars a drink. Sure,
money is just not a thing anymore, You're right, that
just becomes a bit funny.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You just start brainstorming about how do I spend all
this money that I've got because I need to spend it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So it's those people, right, the status thing as well.
Oh my child was named by Taylor A Humphrey. Yeah,
I think is that name of Taylor Humphrey?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh it's Humphrey. Is it a Humphrey. Yeah, it's like
a piece of art. What's your child called Spade? Oh
it's a Humphrey. Yeah. Right, and they'll all be names
like that. Sure. Do you have any examples of names
that she goes for?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
No, eiugh, I do know that she did one hundred
names in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay, it's good, it's good. So she works one hundred
days out of three sixty five.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, so she did one hundred names and at forty
five thousand dollars a name, four hundred and fifty K.
So then she did no, she made four point five
million dollars US. Oh my from naming kids in twenty twenty.
Not not shabby.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
How is someone undercutter?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
How how is someone noting this and going.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's like it's like the same thing as like if
you walk, you know, you saw a Jackson pollock and
you're like, wow, it's a pollock and then someone goes,
I'll throw some paint with a brush on him.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So true. You know you're not paying sixty million dollars
for it. Yeah, it's very true. To Pollock, it's very true.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Do you although, I mean, picking a nap out of
a dictionary does seem like an easier process than painting
on canvas.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Do you do you think? Do you think Humphrey like
creates a presentation like a PowerPoint slide go through? Here
are the reasons I thought of this hat and.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
This day and age would be the star sign. It'd be,
you know, tied in with what Chinese New.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Year it was. Should have that all.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
The all the the planets would be aligning. She'd have
to be good at the jargon. It's the reasoning behind.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Then.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I think we're trying to get Humphrey on, aren't we,
Taylor A we are We're a line in the water.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, we've reached out. No, she's busy, busy, she works
a hundred days a year. She's busy.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Shed to do a contra. A contra and that's the
industry term for we'll give.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
For your name. I thought you've already chosen a name.
But if it's a Humphrey.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Man, No, I haven't chosen my name yet, wife, I
haven't chosen.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
My name yet.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Sure I would like the Humphrey. I think we'll both
get a Humphrey and too.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Humphreys for free. When it's ninety that's ninety thousand US
for two names.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Contra, we're giving a yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Look it does remind I am actually in a bind
trying to pick our baby name at the moment. I
actually might need to get a Humphrey if we do
get a Humphrey, and I might need her because Sam
takes none of my baby name seriously, like quite ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
To the point where.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You feel I feel disenfranchised in that conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
She's taken away all my power. You pitched Persephone for
your first child.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Beautiful name, Percy, beautiful story, beautiful stories. Well hate his
wife dragted to the underworld. Anyway, Look, I love forseephone.
It's got a great story behind as well. But anyway,
she thinks all my names are a joke, and it's
got to the point now where I'm just now pitching awful.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Names at her. I kind of want to do I
want to do it on the air up next because
it's a fun bit. She hates it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, and not helping yourself though. This boy who cried
wolf Wolf's are good night wolf talking about this? This
this professional baby name it Taylor A.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Humphrey lives in San Francisco. Forty five thousand dollars A pop.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Her her name your baby. That's just what she what
she charges woods. Now before we get into I love it.
I kind of respect her.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now the more I think about it, the more I'm like,
you found a hole in the market that no one
thought was there. Well, she said, she's actually said, she said,
it's actually a bit of a.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Shame when people make fun of me on the internet.
But then she said, at the same time, it's kind
of silly that I come up with baby names for
a living.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So she's leaning in. She's leading five million dollars to say,
she's leaning into the cash. She's hardcore leaning into the cash.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
She's in the Bay Area in San Francisco where people
have just got monopoly money, and she's she's killing it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
We could take over Australia. We could be her Australian wing.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
We could be So she's got this website. You guys
can go on it's called name Brie and to people
just copy the humphries though, like you hear about the
Humphries that she's gone for, yeah, and then you just
take the name.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Like she revealed some of the names there bespoke, so
some of the names, so some of that. Apparently the
whole idea is that these influences and celebrities and stuff
that send their kids to daycare, they don't want to
have their kid having the same name as somebody else.
So that's kind of the challenges. You want to try
and make a name that's unique but also is not
(05:38):
like on the nose if you like. So if some
examples are poetry Lucia, sorry a name poetry Lucia is
the full name, so poetry Lucia and then the last.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Name rumble honey.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Anyway, there's a couple there, so do you get like
a TakeBack though it's like if I plaid forty five,
she goes rumble honey.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Surely there's no reviews, go back to the bank, do
whatever you do, But I'm not named a child rumble honey.
Are they all hyphenated? There are two words that's also
in vogue. That's the telltale sign of a Humphrey.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That it's two okay, anyway, I can't read that anymore
of them apparently, Oh yeah, right anyway, so Woodrow.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So rumble Honey is a like famous daughter of like
a famous model in America?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Is that right? That's already writing? Oh oh, rumble Honey
is already a famous celeb. Rumble Honey is a little
girl like Lucky be Smith is her dude. I don't
know who that is. But did all sound like fake people?
Did Lucky B Smith hire Taylor Humphrey?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't think so. You don't know that. You can't
come up rumble Honey.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Don't tell me that someone's coming with them rumble Honey
off their own head, hump all over it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's why she's the best. You don't know b Smith
as well? And the other kids are slim easy and whimsy.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Loo Whimsy Lose sounds like a Humphrey.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They're not real anyway, Whimsy Loo's got Humphrey all over it? Right?
Does it does? Anyway? Look?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I am in the position now where my baby names
just aren't landing with my partner Sam pitching names.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
She's twenty four weeks pregnant.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She just she actually just mocks the names that I pick,
which is unfair, so in retaliation, and yes, I know
this is childish woods and this I am childish sometimes
particularly and I don't get my way. So what I've
started doing is just pitching names that I don't want
but are obvious that I don't want.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You're doing yourself harm here though, but also never take
Also I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, okay, I'm enjoying it. And then I will wear
her down so you can enjoy it. Yeah, you guys,
can you guys can enjoy this here.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
We we're gonna call seven. How I'll put you a
fewal rank ones today. Hey, oh hey, how you going?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Oh you're good? Just stepping away for a second. Oh yeah,
it's been busy. M Yeah, how are you going there? Yeah,
just been a lot going on in your bike helmet.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh yeah, lot's going on. That's kind on.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, it's nice to be and I've got a little
bit of time off now. But I it has meant
that I've had a chance to have a think about
a few baby names.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't know if you had a second, but I
just don't know how just listen to them?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh yeah, but are you prepared for my feedback?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know you're going to be savage. That's fine. You
might like one. Okay, okay, okay, I really like Randy. Randy,
sure you know what that means? No, Randy, do you
remember like the Killer Whill?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
What is that movie called.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Very Willy Randy was the Dead? Or like the care Randy?
Good memory?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I thought you were saying, prey Willy was Randy?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What do you like about Randy?
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Though?
Speaker 8 (09:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I just think it's playful. It's not like it. I'll
get moving. It's fine. No, no, don't like it. It's fine.
I'll just keep moving. Why do you want it so funny?
It's not fair. This is actually like these names for
(09:29):
a new puppy dog here Pegasus. Now that can also
be but for a girl that can be piggy.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
But I like Peggy ruined it for me by making megas.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
If it's a boy, Peggy, if it's a good well,
if you're don't like that, that's fine. It doesn't mean
that pepe is back on the tape. Was a great name.
One was the other one here the other day it's
(10:16):
it's your favorite drink. Can't comes too much bill. It's unfair. Yeah, goodbye, ridiculous.
I don't think you mnd a chart to know you see.
I don't think you might see she laughed in my face.
(10:37):
Yet nowhere, I.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Want to talk about this guy in Chili who has
lived out I think the dream that all of us
have had at some stage in our lives. So he
was accidentally paid three hundred and thirty times his wage.
So he usually gets seven hundred and eighty six Australian
dollars a month. He's an office assistant at dan Corcio
(11:04):
Industrial de Alimentos the Chile.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
No notes which georgeous? Which gorgeous? Which is in Chili?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
But so when he obviously goes to his banking account
to check that he was paid for the month, he
was actually paid two hundred and fifty eight thousand Australian dollars.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So I'm interested to hear from you if that happens
to you. Yeah right, you're usually paid three hundred and
eighty six bucks. You get paid two hundred and fifty grand.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
What's your response to that? Where's the money coming from?
Who's it? Your work?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Your workplace has paid well, now it's your company. The
company you work it's come from. I'll go for it again.
Dan Courses seeks your industrial to Alimentos to Chili.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, but I would just like to remove our personal
company from this equation if possible.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You can't. Oh okay, this.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Company pays you that much money, you just take it. Probably, Okay.
So this guy, he takes the money.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean until they come asking. Okay, so you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Okay, Sure, So he takes the money and quits. He
just sees two hundred and fifty grand and goes, oh
my god, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Quit. Does he spend it?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So it leads to this big legal fight, right because
he's like, I should be able to keep it. When
it was done with the courts, the courts agreed that
he should be able to keep it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So he's laughing.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I think if he I think if he spends it,
they also can't get it back.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So I think that's what happened to your question. That's
what I would have done. I would have been immediately,
what's your first purchase? But just a lot of admin anyway,
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a boat.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I just think it's a lot of admin. Got to
clean it, but it almost been two fifty thousand dollars
on the boat. I'd spend one hundred thousand dollars on
the boat. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, I get it. And
then I had one hundred fifty thousand for you know, upkeep.
What's up keeping? We're talking about clean clean. You got
to like higher more and more more petrol clean a lot.
There's a lot of things anyway, what I want to
do with.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The cash fifty I think i'd buy a small company.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I just I just walk in and go. I want
your T shirt business like a market store.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You want your candle business, children, I want your candle
probably buy it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
For ten grand.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It's actually really hard to think of what you would
do unless you're like you're buying a house, isn't it
turn video gad. It's a lot to spend, yeah, particularly
not in the cars or you know, we're not really
into any of that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Okay, Well, I want to focus on what you spend
the money on.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I would What I do want to ask you guys
at thirteen one oh sixty five is I just want
to hear if you've done something similar to this guy,
and have you quit your job?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
In a blaze of glory. You can picture that, can't you?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Like you just imagine he's sitting at his office, his
desk or whatever. He sees that he's got two hundred
and fifty k in his account, and it's just like,
throw the mouse down, two hands in the air.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Probably just give the bird to everyone. I imagine see
you later.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That is quitting your job in a blaze of glory,
two hundred and fifty k in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So yeah, thirteen one oh six five, have you done it?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I think the closest that I've come will and you
were kind of part of this. We were once paid
by an alcohol company to host the National Mogul Championships
at a at a I'm not going to say which
mountain it was that I really want to make I
want to be very careful about anyone identifying what we
were actually doing.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
We're doing that. We started drinking the product.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They actually said, can you always hold one of these
alcoholic beverages?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'll die on that hill? Sure it, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Anyway, we were removed from the microphones about halfway through
the National Mogul Championships, and then I decided to get
naked and go down the mountain on a Honitor boggan. Yeah,
that's a blazing glory. I don't think they paid us
for that, No, no, no, but that was agreed from
the start. But we agreed to not being paid. Yeah,
(14:59):
they said free accommodation. Well that's why weekend time. Yeah,
it was free booth drinking our feet anyway, thirteen one
sixty five is the name got wild that day? Have
you left in a blazer glory to just steal some
stuff on the way out?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You went in awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Damage mount and yeah, in front of like all the
parents and stuff from the Mogal crop.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And I think everyone thought it was legendary. In my head,
in my my recollection is that was awesome. It was
a fun night after. Did you leave work in a
blaze of glory? It's a dream of mine. It's definitely
a dream of mine. Happened to a bloke in Chile.
(15:41):
He was paid accidentally three hundred and thirty times his wage.
He received that money, he quit immediately left in a
blazer glory. I'm not one hundred per cent sur if
it is true. Just a little bit of creative license
from me. Oh, I love it when you start a
story like that we've been less This is a design
post it and just go. This is just me imagining
what I think would have happened. But you're doing like
(16:03):
you're doing something to your boss on the way out,
aren't you.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
He's just paid you three hundred and thirty times your way.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I mean, I'm trying to think of appropriate things I do.
Like I'm just walking in there and just doing that
thing where you know, you just like sweep everything off
his desk to your boss. Yeah, you just you just
whip everything off the desk and then just go double
bird and then say I quit.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Why surely I would just be I'd be slinking off
into the night and not making any fast as soon
as you do that.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
As soon as you do that, they'll be like, that's
going on with whitelaw counts quickly? You want to know?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
No, so really sorry, something horrifics come up in my
life in North America.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I know you don't know anything about that, but death
and the family got to be there. Must quit now.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, that's smarter, not as fun, and I do want
to know. I'm thirteen one o six five. Yeah, if
you have left your job in a blaze of glory.
Let's go to Tatum here. Tatum, you left work in
a blaze of glory?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Hi, guys, Yes I did. I had just got a
new puppy and had asked to either take leave and
was not allowed. So my other option was to bring
her in with me in a little plate pen next
to my desk, and also got told no. So I
I got told no because apparently she would be too
(17:27):
messy for the office. So in my blaze of glory,
I quit on the spot and knocked over a whole
bunch of pot plants to clean up.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Annoying thing to pick up, Like, hell, a couple of things,
are you like?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Was it a classy pot plant pot plant takedown?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Like?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
How many were there? And was it like one at
a time? Were you like picking him up and throwing
him in the air. It was just a bit of
an elbow.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
On the way out.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
No, there was a few. It was about three or
four on the desk. I was in a row and
I I was cleaning off my desk. I just accidentally
popped them all off and thought that there's the mess.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
The sweep. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Love that I don't want to get into the debate
of whether the dog should be in the office. But
just to side with your boss a little bit. The
dog was in here the other day and took a
poo just outside this year, took a big poo. You
are joking, and I'm getting looks. I'm getting looks I
shouldn't bring that up.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Let's goside of the studio. Big poop just outside the studio.
There that dog?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
The dog? I didn't realize that I was talking about
something quite controversial. Controversial? Is it that we're talking about
the same dog, aren't we? I think we're talking about
the same dog. Controversial and I've just stepped in that
mind the pan. How big was the poo? Little poo?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Big?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And Alsia saying it was big? Is that right? Has
the owner been reprimanded or they don't know about it? No?
I think that is the controversy.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
The owner doesn't even know that the dog exists. I
reckon the owner doesn't know the dog exists. Like, it's
not even what you mean happened to owner not know
their dog exist? I don't even think she She's just
so detached from her and then she just rocks up.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I was like, oh yeah, I've got a dog. That's right.
Then the dog two's outside our studio. That's the dog.
We're doing mat right, We all know, yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
We all know.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah. Anyway, yeah, so I was going to cash that dog.
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I just want to wrap this up that. Yeah, dogs
in the office can be a problem. Yeah, it's got
a mad here.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Nat.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You you also quit your job and laser glory talk.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
To us, Nat.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Well, it was quite a few years ago now, and
I was working as a fashion designer and was working
for this guy who was a bit loose, and he
was pushing my buttons probably, and I had to basically
show him my range for the season. And I showed
him a men poor shirt and hey, it had one
(19:57):
pocket on it, and he said, why doesn't it have tooth?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (20:01):
Yeah, So I lost it and I grabbed a wooden
coat hanger and smashed it across his head, told him
where to go. He was the biggest I ever met,
like everyone, So smashed it across his head. And I'm
(20:22):
driving a belly at the time, a big old belly.
So I jumped in that with my cowboys hat on.
I'm down my window and stuck my finger up and
burned off.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's a blazing glory net. We'll give it to you
border on as salt. But let's go to Natasha. Here
a wooden coat hanger over his head.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That wouldn't tickle Natasha. I mean, I've never known one
pocket's fine as well. I don't really get on a
shirt wearing a shirt with two pockets.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
He's practical. It's a woman's shirt, isn't it. Natasha is
called that.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Women's fits better? Natasha, Hello, Natasha? You could you having
a blaze of glory to talk to us?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I sure did.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
I've been working in a cafe for a few years.
All the custom it loves me.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I loved the job I got let go on the
spot just because they couldn't afford to keep everyone there.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
The business wasn't doing too good.
Speaker 9 (21:25):
So I spent the whole day giving everyone free coffees
and free breakfast.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Where it hurts, don't where it hurts. Love that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So from December tenth, social media platforms are forced to
block out under sixteen in Australia from holding accounts. Look,
I honestly I think that this the intent behind this
is obviously wonderful. I have not got a teenager yet,
but I'm terrified about what the internet will do to that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Being said, I think this is.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't think it's going to work, and I think
it's and I think it's lazy, and I think it
actually demonstrates a deep misunderstanding of how the Internet works.
Number one, and number two, how naive parents are about
the fact that they think they can keep people off
it like it it is so easy to get around,
(22:25):
like to get around these sorts of things on the Internet.
And I think it is really just an attempt in
vain for parents to protect themselves and their own guilt
around how their kid might be manipulated by something they're
watching online. And I think it is also the guilt
over the fact that they've got no control over their
screen time and their Enginet usage.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Cop that elbow. So how will it work though?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So those facial recognitions episodes where so that's it. So
you'll put your face up to your phone, yes, and
then the facial recognition will know if you are older
or younger than sixteen.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think that's so basically you got to register analyze
the person's face and there's going to be a bunch
of technolo.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
There's going to be a bunch of technologies. I think
that will all depend on So isn't this good though
that because I know so, don't get me wrong. I
think the smart smart kids will figure out a way
to crack the code or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But let's say if it blocks, well.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
There's no code anymore, you'll probably just download NAP right, Okay,
you're just download a VPN. I mean, just download a VPN,
bounce your bounce your bounce your ip off a mirror
website and it'll just think you're logging in from the
Netherlands and then it'll be like, oh, okay, no software required, cheers.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But I don't know how to do that. I have
a thirty seven year old. We do that currently for
our three year old. You could download a VPN tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But okay, but let's just say, let's just look.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I promise you, as a fifteen year old, I don't
know how to do it, you're but as a fifteen
year old, kids do know how to do this stuff.
Oh is the kids are way more savvy on phones
these days than you are. Right, if they wanted to
block you out there, just you'd probably just type block
around the phone. If you done in December ten, I'll
be like, why can't I get into Instagram?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
What's wrong? Is my fat tech needed?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But will block any one lover? Like is there a
percentage there where it's like, okay, this this These kids
haven't look that.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
History has shown as a billion times and billion times
over if you try and ban age groups or people
from things that they can get around, they will get
around it. I think makes it sexier in a way,
and even like Australia's probably the only country in the
world that this could work because where the most overly
(24:26):
governed country in the world and we actually can enforce
I mean, there's no other country in the world that
could have gone into lockdown like we went into lockdown.
Sure every other country in the world looked at that
and was like are you guys mad?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Like how are you doing that? We Australians, we're quite
proud to be obedient people.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So I do think it is possible in Australia that
this sort of thing could take in a social setting
because everyone's very careful in Australia. We like to be
safe and clean and careful. But the reality is you're
dealing with the internet. The Internet's not based anywhere. The
Internet was designed to be controlled by end to end users,
there's no That's why you can't sue anyone who's done
something online, because you go like, oh, well, you know
you're selling weapons online, and it's like, well, great, where
(25:02):
are you going to assume me? Like, what jurisdiction did
that land in? It's on the Internet and it's not
in America. I'm not in Europe, mate, it's online. Sure,
the whole thing exists on this platform, which is designed
to be accessed by everyone. Sure, So I think that
I personally think there's a whole bunch of guilt going
on from people going, oh my god, our teenagers are
(25:22):
in trouble. And as I said, I haven't got a
teenager yet, I would be equally scared. But I don't
think this is going to do anything. In fact, if anything,
I mean, think about it when you're a teenager and
your mum and dad are like, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What did you want to do? I listened to my
parents coming very much and as a good boy.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Now, but don't you think that as a like a
I'm thinking about the future as well. Obviously, when Remy
becomes a teenager, don't you think it helps you in
that discussion though around social media, if you can go
it's illegal, like' you can't have Instagram because there is
a law against it, like similar to drinking. Like I
think because there's an age there where drinking becomes legal,
(25:58):
that's an easier conversation as a parent to go, no,
you can't drink.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's to be from drinking as a fifteen sixteen year old.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So I think no, no, but but but in.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Fact, if anything, again, it just turned it into a
holy grail. It made it harder though. It did make
it harder, though it created it hurt. I couldn't go
home d it harder, and it made the reward bigger.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, but I couldn't come home from school and crack
open a beer. I had to wait till the weekend,
pay for someone to go into the bottle shop. You know,
there was effort and work, right, So I think by
making work an effort for people to get on to
social media, surely that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
This will not be working effort. These kids will be
so good at this. They've all got the phones. Yeah,
I mean, unless we all start doing what you know,
little Johnny Howard did back with the guns and he
opens up the dumpsters and you get to rock up
and throw your gun in the thing. And that's what
the teenagers do with their phones, and they get rid
of their phones.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
That'd be great.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
If you have a phone that is connected to the Internet,
you're not going to keep a kid.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Off off this stuff. That's my view.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm happy to hear from some other people in thirteen
one and six five if you think this social media
ban is destined to fail or everything's actually a great idea.
We are going to be joined by someone who actually
knows a lot more about this. So Nigel Fair is
a professor of Software Systems and cybersecurity at m Nash University.
An all round good guy, apparently he said about himself,
which I think is very Which side is he on? Well,
you have to ask Nigel right up now truth.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's William Woddy.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Guys, hope you're having a great Monday afternoon social media event.
Do you reckon it's going to be a winner or
destined to fail? Nigel Fair, professor joins something next to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
WHILLIMODDI anyway, look we've got.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Nigel Fair, who is professor of Software Systems and cybersecurity
at one Ash University. Nigel, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Do you think this is going to work? Nigel?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I don't think we should look at us in this
being the silver bullet to the problems that young people
have online mental health, screen addiction, privacy, etcetera, etcetera. I
think we've got to look at it being a long
burn and this needs to be one suite of many,
many things that we do to provide the tools and
techniques for young people that think about what they're going
(27:57):
to do in the online environment.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
So, Nigel, we was kind of saying before the song though,
that I mean for these kids that are way more
tech savy than me, that it's going to be very
very easy for them to get around this of under
sixteen year olds with your expertise, do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like is where is it going to be easy to
get around?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well, yes, there's certainly going to be ways that they're
going to get around. They'll be talking about it now
how they can get around it with you, whether it
with a VPN or whether it's gaming the system. But
you know, this is where the legislation is going to
be relying on the social media company is actually not
going to be an offense if you're under sixteen to
create an account. It's relying on the social media companies
(28:37):
to detect your user activity and potentially block you or otherwise.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right right, Oh, sorry, so they the social media companies
can choose to block you.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, so there's you know, there's a great thing in life.
There's two things you don't want to ever watch being made.
When he is sausages and the other one is laws.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I love watchinges being made. What are you talking about
watching a sausage sysem?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean stuffed? Oh yeah, disgusting. Sorry, so god.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Talking. It's a different matter what thing are being made. Yeah,
maybe not so much. But the legislation talks about the
social media coming to having to take reasonable steps, and
you can choose whatever definition you want to put around
the phrase reasonable steps. But that's what they've got to do.
So it's quite like touch what it is. But you know,
(29:33):
I think the real discussion will we have in twelve,
twenty four, thirty six months to see what difference it's made.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Happen we're being kicked up. I was going to say
that I's been.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Able to create accounts, etcetera.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I've just heard you and I do you think that?
So let's say that you know, let's say this is successful.
Let's say that you know, I don't know. Eighty percent
of sixteen year olds now sixteen unders stay off social media.
Do you like, how different is that seventeen year old
going to be versus the seventeen year old that is
on social media?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Well, I think it's society we've made an assessment of
as you you get older and you get more mature,
you can start making better choices about the things that
you see, whether it's online or offline. And that's really
why the sign we can vote when we're adeen, we
can drink when we're adeen, you know. So it's on
that step of the many people would argue and they
(30:25):
bring it into the UK that you can vote from
being sixteen. There's a lot of attuned people to the
public policy. So that's where it is, and that's where
part of the reason this bangs bringing brought into is
because young people are seeing things in the online environment
they really shouldn't be said, right, they're getting groomed, they're
getting they're seeing images that aren't appropriate. They're suffering from
(30:46):
mental health issues because of the the fomo, all sorts
of different things. You know, a lot of these social
media platforms are very addictive, you know, and it's the
concept of I'm always going to be a vailable because
my friends are always going to be a vailable aligned
this social compact that they have, with the argument being
they're not prepared mentally to cope with that. Under sixteen.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Hi, Nigel, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Professor of Software Systems and Cybersecurity, Monised University.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Nigel fair there and all around good guy. Been loving
to meet you.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Nige, Thanks God cheers. Hey, I got to Julia here,
who's called in Julia? You don't think the social media
band's going to work?
Speaker 11 (31:23):
No, I don't think it will work all the u jeels.
I'm nineteen. I'm born in two thousand and six. However,
I wasn't on social media till I turned thirteen. Starting
year seven, I got an iPhone. That was when I
was first really introduced to the social media world. But
I don't think you know, these young kids that I
(31:45):
look after, IM and Nanny, I look after young kids
snag Jen Alpha, they are all electronics. Where there's a will,
where there's a way, I think they will find a way,
whether it's putting their account under their mum or dad's name,
or you know, getting a VPN or a different device,
they will find a way and they will get on
that social media.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
If you have. You found with the kids you look after,
are they pretty addicted to it? Always the heads up?
Speaker 11 (32:11):
Yeah, yes, as soon as we get home. I picked
them up from school. As soon as we get home,
it's straight onto something. It's straight onto, whether it's the iPad,
whether it's the Xbox, whether it's whatever device is in
hands reach. As soon as they walk into that front door.
There's no more in the morning as well, they're on
their iPads. There's no more watching cartoons in the morning,
(32:32):
or you know, just sitting on the couch.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It sounds like a pretty sweet gig for you, though, Julia.
Fifty bucks an hour it is going on social media yourself,
Julia vervit. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 11 (32:42):
I just have to watch them.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
That's my job, Julia.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
What's in the drop sign? Just reminder everyone he could
leave the studio at any stage. Yes, I go drop
nailed it? Not going again? That fair enough? So yes.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Mims thirty eight weeks pregnant, so full term.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Still a couple of weeks away.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But look, at the end of the day, at any moment,
my phone could go off and I'll be going straight
to hospital to bring into the world our second child,
which is very, very exciting.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
But here's the thing. Got the name sorted, So yes,
we do have a name sorted flying around with the
name flying around using it. Well, yeah, yes, I like to.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I like to communicate with the baby in utro with
the name, which is what we did with Remy as well.
So we've got a name that cuts both ways. So
girl or boy, that's the name we.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Had this chance if they come out and they're just like,
not that.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yes, So me and I have had that chat, and
we've got some other names that are around, which is
they will only have them. We'll only dip into the
backup names if we both look at it and go
oh wow, it's not a yeah yeah yeah that So
that may happen.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, that's good. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
The thing about the drop sigone, which I kind of
forgot from our first child, is that I'm sure you
can relate to this. Will is you're in this period
of time where, because the baby could come at any moment,
you've gotta be very careful about what you do and
where you go.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, well you put a perimeter on yourself. I know
that much.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yes, perimeter is there's no interstate flights anymore. There's really
I don't want to be any more than i'd say
an hour away from home for the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
That's knocked off your cycling drips. Yes, the cycling has
taken a hit.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
A small sacrifice though, will that is a small sacrifice.
There was a tough conversation because, yeah, I went for
a big bike ride when just before Remy was born,
and that would have been really bad if trend to
labor anyway. So, yeah, cycling's off the cards, but you've
also got to be very careful about what you put on.
So it was my first daughter's birthday on Saturday, and
(34:52):
it's become a bit of a ritual for us that
we will both dress up for our daughter. I would
just dress up in the thing that she's really into.
So I dressed up as the Cheshire cat. Yeah, from
Alice in Wonderland, the classic Alice in Wonderland.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Missing there creepy cat. So he's not creepy, he's so creepy. No,
you can't trust him.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's strange that Remy loves the Cheshire cat so much
when if you look at the Cheshire cat, you're like,
you just cannot trust that cat.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I think it's Chesshire.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
By the way, it is, Well, we're rolling with Chesi
ches So I was in full Cheshire get up, right fully,
fully done. And then mim painted her pregnant belly green
and created Mike Wizowski. So she had that painted on
her belly. So just picture that. So I'm full Cheshire cat.
(35:47):
She's painted belly Mike Wazowski. She goes down in pain
on the couch nine am Saturday morning, and I was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
And then in.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Character I had to ask her and it was like
for a moment there, I was like, I'm about to
get the bags and we're going to go, and I'm
going to go through the birth dressed as Cheshire cat,
and you're going to deliver a baby with Mike Wazowski.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Paint it on your belly. Wow.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Turns out Braxton Hicks fake labor pains. We didn't have
to go to hospital, but I'm just interested. Thirteen one
oh sixty five is the number. Yeah, where was your
partner when you went into labor. Yeah, okay, where were
they or what were they in the middle of when
you had to try and get in touch with them
(36:31):
and be like, can you pull yourself out of whatever
you're doing?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yep, because we've got a baby on the way. We'll
take you cause on next thirty one and six five.
Sure have all been. There's lots of horrible scenarios that
you might have been in.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Made of Mine was a number of sheets to the
wind like he was. He was on his way at
the pub. He got the phone call.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
That's silly, that's just a silly boy. All behavior is
a silly boy. His wife was not happy at all. Happy.
We'll take you cause next with the money Woods could
leave the studio at any second, guys, he's in the
job zone.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Drop. That's it thirty eight weeks pregnant, which just means
at any moment the phone call could come and then
the show that you guys have always wanted a will show.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It will take over. Who knows what the Big Fellow
Bill will cover without the ball and chain. Oh, it's
going to be the best of program eighty five to
ninety five. What a sell.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So because I am in the drop zone and the
baby can come any moment. We did have a moment
on Saturday morning where I was dressed as the Cheschier cat.
Mim had a painting of Mike Wazowski and her tummy.
We're celebrating our first daughter's birthday, and we genuinely thought
she was going into labor, which would have meant Mike
Wazowski and the Cheschier Cat, We're going to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
So I'm just interested on thirteen one oh six five as.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
To where was your partner when you went into labor
or what were they in the middle of before I
got to Rachel quick one for you fortieth birthday this Saturday,
hour and a half drive away. A.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Well, it looks at my our I thought that'd be
a straight up no.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, our virtual labor, I feel has been very was
pretty Sam was pretty relaxed about it because she was like,
by the time I had my first contraction, by the
time you get here's nothing you can really do.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
True in that first hour and a half two hours anyway,
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So it wasn't as I think flying is probably a
good limit. Yeah, sure, yeah, no flying.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You know, when they had their first contractions, A long
time before Anya, you get down to the business end.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I'm on Tens. I think that's on the Tens machine.
I'm on Ten's machine. I got a few little dot
I've got a few dot points. I was on the
Tens machine. Then I had it ripped out of my hand.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, it happens quickly, doesn't it. It's delegated. And then
when they're in there, they're like, give me that. It's
going to Rachel on thirty one or six five.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Rachel, where was your partner when you went into labor?
Speaker 12 (38:56):
Well, my partner was at come with me. However, it
was my brother's twenty first birthday, and she said to me,
don't you dare go in labor because everyone was going
to be intoxicated.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
Obviously.
Speaker 12 (39:08):
Sure yeah, and sure enough. I went into labor at
midnight that night and everybody was half tanked. Being my first, thankfully,
it took time. So I called my mom and she
had to come down. She was the way for the weekend,
so she has come all the way back to take
(39:29):
me because my brother was still over the limit by
the next day.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
True thought, because that's the other thing to go think about,
is like, like, I'll be driving, so you do have
to think about that a little bit like you need
to be of.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
A Yeah, getting nebriated on anything is a really bad idea.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Ellen's called unless you want like a perfect hell by
the way, yeah, God, but I'm pretty sure that is.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Take you to a place where you're in need, but
you can't help because you're intoxicated.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Could loosen you up. I won't go and I won't
go to that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I will not go let you in if it was
bad enough. Yeah, and Ellen, what was your partner doing
when you went into labor.
Speaker 9 (40:10):
My partner was in church playing in the church choir
when I messaged him to say, can you please come
home because I'm in labor, And he did suggest that
he wait till church was over before and came home.
Fortunately he did take the hint and was home by
seven pm and she was born at seven thirty pm
(40:35):
at the hospital, just in time.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
When you said he took the Intell and was that
he read a very stern message from you.
Speaker 9 (40:43):
Well, I think a few people were calling him to
say you need to get home.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
To drop it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably why you
married him, Helen. You probably married him he takes his.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
Well, it was one of the reasons.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Do you no longer together?
Speaker 9 (41:00):
No, we're still together. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Did he play a bit of music in the.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
He did?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Oh no, not at all.
Speaker 9 (41:07):
There was no time, no time from half now.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I can't bring the organ, can't bring the organ, the
organs at all.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
There pretty much imovable organs once they're in there in
is that right?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Well, yeah, they're organs. They're huge. Yeah, it's very hard
to transport.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's a fair point. Ale's got to Jermaine here. I
have to bring her to the church. That's what you
have to do.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Jermaine.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You were somewhere whilst your partner went into labor.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Bit of a confession here, Jermaine.
Speaker 12 (41:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (41:35):
So my wife insisted that I don't go to soccer
that evening, and I decided I should go to sock.
I went to soccer after I finished my game and
our game I had about thousand misscores, and I caught
her back. Didn't have called her brother, mother in law
and she had a baby.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh you missed the whole thing, Jermaine.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
I missed the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Oh god, what what what did she say when you
first saw her?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Jermaine?
Speaker 10 (42:07):
Two years later, I still here?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, and I mean the other side, Jermain, did you
have a win in.
Speaker 10 (42:15):
The game, Yeah, like it. At least I got something
out of that night.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You don't assert it to your one, probably don't
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.