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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, welcome to the podcast, the BTS podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And you know when you have it.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
So what you just heard that say with the podcast
is for sure. Yeah, it's just the podcast where we
answer your work questions. Please dms at Will and Woody
if you've got a question for.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Us here And sometimes this isn't part of the structure,
but sometimes who have a quick comment to make at
the start of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I've got one of them.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
You might have heard me saying like I was ganging
on something when the mics went on there, I had
one drop of water left in my drink bottle. Question
for you, Will, Because I'm allowed to put questions in
the box?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Have you put questions in the box?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Couple?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
But here's actually I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
A lot of things I want to know about you.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
You know, when you've got one drop of water left
in your drink bottle drinking, sometimes that's worse than having
no water left.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh yeah right, that was such a tease.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Ah, why why worse? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I would have rather not knowing I had any water,
accepting the fact that I'm going to be thirsty.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I put a drop of water in my mouth
and it did nothing. It tastes so good.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You might have it's just water. It's not like he's
having a delicious cocktail.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
But when you really and you just want more, and
then you get one little bit, it tastes so good
that one little bit, and you're like, I had more
first year.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You pick up your water bottle, you shake it, You go, oh,
I've got a couple of drops there.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I have that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
This is confused columber. You pick up your water bottle.
There's nothing there. I need something and you got nothing.
I mean, I'd rather be looking at it than for it.
I tend to tend to be in My point is.
I shook it and I was like, I've got to
drop there. That's good, that's good news. Put the drop
in my mouth and I was like, that did not
quench me out all. Can I add something to this
place dilemma? Which is I think that you also have
(01:45):
similar to what I'm when I've got the desk here,
which is one of these insulated metal water bottles.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They're heavy.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, yeah, it's often deceptive as to how much water
is put A lot in there.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well no, but at the end it's really hard to
tell how much got left in it because of the
weight of the bottle I thought I had because it's
obviously an air an air rated insulated gap between the
outside metal and the inside metal.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's really hard to know how much of a golp
is left.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I thought it was a golp. It was like a tipple. Ah,
less than a tipple. And now I'm real thirsty. But
let's get to the question.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It's like if you've got one square of chocolate left
in the house and you eat that one square and
you're like, oh, I wish I had more.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
That is a great, perfect, examply perfect example of one
square left.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm like, oh my god, unbelievable. I'd rather have nothing.
Once it hits your lips.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Once it hits your lips, will I like little bits
of things, you know, after you've eaten it, I like
little bits of these perfect I'm like, great, a little
bit of that.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I don't know how you do that. You're one of
these people that can go and just have one drink.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
What is that all about it? Yeah, like, how do
you do that?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I'm not saying it's a problem for me, but I'm
just saying, like you come from You're amazing that you
got the bottle of do you have your dream? You
go delightful satisfied, and I go no.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I never I never say you do you satisfying my
lips satisfied?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Will another certain? No, I am perfectly satisfied.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I don't know how. And you you are. You don't
even lying.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's nice.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You're actually like, yeah, I've got I've had a comfortable
amount of fluid in my in my body now and
I'm very happy.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, yeah, I do. I do that.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I think that's ever happened in my life.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, let's get to the question.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You said you've written some of these wood. I'm not
sure if you wrote this one. I don't think it's
your handwriting, so I was a lot of these are
transcribed from our socials, I imagine by digital producer kV,
given that.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
She doesn't do much else with their day. All right,
here we go. The question is if you weren't in radio, she's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Going to kill you. She's going to kill you.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
What rag your finger across their throat? Just if you
weren't in radio, what job would you do? Question Mark?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Do you know I've actually got a comment on that
which you might find interesting. Previously, up until very recently
and even now I'm not fully through the woods, but
I am always thinking that there's a part of my
brain that's always like, if you get sacked tomorrow, what's
the plan? And you've got like really have a good
thing about what your plan.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Is, which is just savvy media brain, media brains, Like
it's like a Hunger Games brain.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Because you could get sacked at any moment.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You just kind of know that absolutely somebody could come
up with you, behind you and just give you those
poison blueberries just gone.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But I've realized that that was actually when I was,
I think at my most insecure. I realized that was
taking away from my enjoyment of what I really love doing,
which is radio with you five days a week, and
for the time that that exists, which currently is ongoing. Now, boy,
I got it tonight and I'm pretty sure we're on
(05:01):
tomorrow to get most.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Enjoyment out of that. I actually can't be thinking about.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
How if it all falls apart, what might happen?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, what might happen?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And also like have a think about what you would
what your life looks like if you get sacked tomorrow.
That was really taking away from like, oh God, I
love doing this, so so yeah, I think the reason
I brought that up is because, to answer that question,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Think about that a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Oh that's great, Yeah, trying not to.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Man, you've been.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Lulled into a false sense of security.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You're in the Hunger Games arena, my friend, they're coming
for you.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Backup. Very funny if I weren't. I agree. I think
that's a really different question from when we probably started
doing radio ten years ago to now.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I think that I mean, this is going to get
very real.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But like cards on the table, if we got sacked
now for no reason which could happen, which could happen,
they would have to give us a shitload of cash
for the for the rest of our contracts three year deal.
So we're walking away and going I've got time up
my sleeve, because I've got money out my sleeve. And
anyone that gets a golden handshake doesn't matter. What if
(06:25):
you've got a contract for a fixed term. If they
kick you out and they han't got a good reason for.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It, you've got money. Ye.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So I probably wouldn't think about doing anything for a
little while because I'd just be pumped it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I could be a dad like that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, and how rare to have the opportunity to
have there's still there's financial security there for a period
of time and.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Time to time time because I remember actually spoke to
Jules Lund after he was sacked from Sydney Breakfast. They
signed him for four years billion dollars a year of
four years classic Sydney Breakfast.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
They sacked him. He was literally on Sidy.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The Breakfast radio money for three years, and he was
just like, oh my god, well you know I've got
how many kids he's got.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm just gonna be a dad for a while. Like,
how good is that?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We should get sacked?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
We should try? The problem is he is the catch.
If you try and they point out that you've tried.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Then then I have to pay because you've repudiated delete
this audio, have to delete this. Yeah, no, we're not trying,
so it doesn't matter. But I think you actually brought
something interesting as well. There would in terms of you
weren't in radio, what job would you do? I feel like,
I mean, I'm going I'm definitely sort of stealing from
a from a.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Ben Crow style thought here. But who's the who's the guru?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Generally guru you might hear him on the Imperfect podcast
quite a bit. But I think there's a difference between
purpose and goal, and I think he taught me that concept,
which is like, if you're waking up every morning and
you're thinking about what you need to do to get
through the day, which might be I've got to pack
a thousand boxers, I've got to teach, I've got to
(08:01):
get through ten lessons across the day. If you're teacher,
whatever your if that's your goal for the day, that
can be quite that's totally unsustainable, and you will burn
out because that's what you're thinking about, you know you
kind of that's that's what I got to get through
to get through to day. That's when you're missing out
and you're not focusing on the thing that you should
focus on, which is what's your purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And your purpose should be.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Really the thing that you enjoy within getting through those
ten lessons. So if you got into being teaching because
you like teaching other people, or if you got into
when I say, backing boxes because you're you have the
fastest hands in the West and you and you know
you've packed boxes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, well that wasn't my Maybe you enjoy the process.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I don't know, whatever, whatever the thing is that you're doing,
if you have some level of job satisfaction around that thing,
that will probably be because there's a part of it
which you really connect with. And I feel like that
can manifest in many different ways. So right now, when
I love I love being creative, I love I love that,
and I feel radio is amazing for that He's coming
(09:05):
here and get to a new show.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Everything good.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But if I wasn't doing radio, I would probably have
to go, which might be a really interesting process. There
are ways to the drawing board and go fundamentally, what
how can I still tick that box? Which I think
is a really interesting conversation in general, because I think
you and I were loving doing things creatively together before all.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Of this started.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, exactly, And it could.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Have gone in any number of ways.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You know, we might have started up an advertising firm.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, I don't know what that is, but yeah, but
I think that would probably inform what I did after
radio if I wasn't doing radio right.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Now, Have you written an your purpose?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I tried, but I found it really hard because I mean,
you know me, I feel like there are a lot
of things, is that I get a lot of joy
out of doing so. I find it really hard to
distial exactly because I like processes. I like distilling information,
like communicating, and like creativity.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I find it hard. How did you go?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I I'm not ready nice because I'm really I don't
want to get a reaction from either from anyone at
this point, I'm.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You're tweaking it constantly. Isn't that the idea?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And it had like I had one written down for
a while, and then I realized that that that was
not my why. That was definitely more my It wasn't
making me birth out of bed every morning. It was
almost like, this is the reason you do what you do.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, but it's not the why why.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, which is interesting. They're to differentiate between them. If
you're listening right to this right now, and you're thinking,
here's why I do what I do, And you can
fill that question in with to put food on the
table for my family, to make sure I get out
of the house every day, to make sure I contributed
to society. That's different too. That's the reason why you
(11:10):
might do something, yes, But if you're looking for your enjoyment, yes,
quite answer the why you enjoy doing that thing exactly
because why you find full well why you find fulfillment
in doing.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
That thing, and that that money can be a big factor,
by the way, like if the reason, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Probably that's probably the reason as opposed to the why.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So there's one that's I've had down for I did
it over the break, not that we had a break
over Easter, but if we had a break, I may
have sat down and written something down and I was like,
this is this is ringing true? But yeah, I'm not
one hundred percent sure yet, but it's nice. But it's
it's the closest I've come to. Ben talks about how
if you do find your purpose and you really hone
(11:52):
in on that, then the work that you're doing when
you're focusing on that actually energizes you a bit. Yeah,
and this is the first time I've been like, I
think this is I think I know what he's talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, it's a really great thing to think about.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Actually, yeah, I find it really tricky because there are
so many things. Yeah, as I was saying that I
can do that, I get a lot out of that
I can't, Like, for example, this is going to strike
a lot of you as very strange. But like, I
love making coffee. Like I was a barista for a really,
really long time, and if you told me that I
was making coffee for eight hours a day in a
(12:31):
coffee shop, I actually get a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Of pleasure out of doing that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I like conversing with people. I like the process. I
like tinkering with the grain. I sound like I'm a
peasant in Russia. No, I like I like tinkering with
the grind, is what I mean to say. I like that,
and I like being locked in, and I like conversing
with people, and I like having my station, and I
like applying myself to something. But then on the other
(12:55):
end of the spectrum, I like writing plays and I
like making music.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So it's I like DJ.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's very I find it very tricky to do that,
so I wouldn't know. I also like science. Like the
other day I thought to myself that sometime in my fifties,
I might go and be a marine biologist.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, lovely, wow? Do you yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Which thing to do?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're so right here in all it's very hard to
steal an all.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You can't get it.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Out of all the things you just mentioned. There forget
marine biology that really opens doors. But if out of
like making coffee every day, so just just the process
of the grinding and the beans, et cetera. Take the
people out of it, and then same thing with writing music,
or same thing with writing the novel.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Which one do you think you'd want to do?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
This you might have be able to answer this, which
one would you want to do knowing that the coffee
that's made or the things that the thing that is
written is just put in a bin after you've done.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Oh interesting, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Probably the coffee fascinating.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But that's that's because I don't That's because I feel
like a part of making music or writing for me
comes down to the fact that I like the idea
that I'm sharing something like I like the idea that
even though I don't want people involved in the creative
process because that's mine, the sharing of ideas and connecting
(14:25):
with other people is a huge part about making art
for me.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But that's not to say with all art. I mean, yeah,
I want to get too deep.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But one of the questions I one of the things
that I discovered about purpose recently when I was talking
to my therapist was. He was like, when were you
sort of like happiest when you were a child.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well, and I said it was when I was in
my room by myself playing Lego. Yeah, tinkering, tinkering, And
I would literally throw that out at the end and
I'd be in there for hours, clothes door, No one
bothered me.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I would just get to build little things.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Would you would you want mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
To see your creation?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Didn't give a ship, pull it down, and then we'll.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Make something new tomorrow. That is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, and now it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
As I said it on my daughter as well, Max,
just anything to like fiddle with.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
She's just like, get me in there.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Anyway, Well, guys, now it's not going to marine biology Jesus.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I like to think that, oh, because you got this
whole ocean of like stuff that's giving you all this
different information. And then you can be like, oh, if
we move this slightly, if we think of that, that's
going to affect that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That could affect that.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I was like, you did get rocks off on water
temperatures and stuff like, well.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think so like like salinity and like and Also
you're you're isolated on a boat as well, you're isolated
like you're in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, been on a boat.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I love that. Something about being by yourself that I
just enriches me anyway, but on a boat would believable.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Believe maybe, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Hopefully that kind of despite the fact that I ended
up talking about playing Lego in my room, I hope
they didn't bore you. But I do think that's a
good exercise for people listening. Hopefully that stimulated a bit
of a conversation in your own hand about what you're
doing every day. And as you were there were good
questions that you asked Woods about. Yeah, throwing it out
at the end of the day, would you still do
it? It's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Also google Ben Crow. I don't know I'm throwing There
is Simon Sinek. He's an American, very similar thing, but
they go at it in different ways.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
And tomorrow on the show and William would he get fired?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, we're not trying.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I think it's a regular segment.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
The Golden handshake.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Oh my god, have we just given them a reason
to sack us? And then not pay us out because
they'll go to this audio and be like, see they
were trying little.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's a joke, a whole bit. It's been a it's
obviously a
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Track, obviously obviously same borkm
Hey, welcome to the podcast, the BTS podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And you know when you have it.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
So what you just heard that say with the podcast
is for sure. Yeah, it's just the podcast where we
answer your work questions. Please dms at Will and Woody
if you've got a question for.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Us here And sometimes this isn't part of the structure,
but sometimes who have a quick comment to make at
the start of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I've got one of them.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
You might have heard me saying like I was ganging
on something when the mics went on there, I had
one drop of water left in my drink bottle. Question
for you, Will, Because I'm allowed to put questions in
the box?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Have you put questions in the box?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Couple?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
But here's actually I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
A lot of things I want to know about you.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
You know, when you've got one drop of water left
in your drink bottle drinking, sometimes that's worse than having
no water left.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh yeah right, that was such a tease.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Ah, why why worse? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I would have rather not knowing I had any water,
accepting the fact that I'm going to be thirsty.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I put a drop of water in my mouth
and it did nothing. It tastes so good.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You might have it's just water. It's not like he's
having a delicious cocktail.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
But when you really and you just want more, and
then you get one little bit, it tastes so good
that one little bit, and you're like, I had more
first year.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You pick up your water bottle, you shake it, You go, oh,
I've got a couple of drops there.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I have that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
This is confused columber. You pick up your water bottle.
There's nothing there. I need something and you got nothing.
I mean, I'd rather be looking at it than for it.
I tend to tend to be in My point is.
I shook it and I was like, I've got to
drop there. That's good, that's good news. Put the drop
in my mouth and I was like, that did not
quench me out all. Can I add something to this
place dilemma? Which is I think that you also have
(01:45):
similar to what I'm when I've got the desk here,
which is one of these insulated metal water bottles.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They're heavy.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, yeah, it's often deceptive as to how much water
is put A lot in there.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well no, but at the end it's really hard to
tell how much got left in it because of the
weight of the bottle I thought I had because it's
obviously an air an air rated insulated gap between the
outside metal and the inside metal.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's really hard to know how much of a golp
is left.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I thought it was a golp. It was like a tipple. Ah,
less than a tipple. And now I'm real thirsty. But
let's get to the question.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It's like if you've got one square of chocolate left
in the house and you eat that one square and
you're like, oh, I wish I had more.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
That is a great, perfect, examply perfect example of one
square left.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm like, oh my god, unbelievable. I'd rather have nothing.
Once it hits your lips.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Once it hits your lips, will I like little bits
of things, you know, after you've eaten it, I like
little bits of these perfect I'm like, great, a little
bit of that.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I don't know how you do that. You're one of
these people that can go and just have one drink.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
What is that all about it? Yeah, like, how do
you do that?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I'm not saying it's a problem for me, but I'm
just saying, like you come from You're amazing that you
got the bottle of do you have your dream? You
go delightful satisfied, and I go no.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I never I never say you do you satisfying my
lips satisfied?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Will another certain? No, I am perfectly satisfied.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I don't know how. And you you are. You don't
even lying.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's nice.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You're actually like, yeah, I've got I've had a comfortable
amount of fluid in my in my body now and
I'm very happy.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, yeah, I do. I do that.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I think that's ever happened in my life.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, let's get to the question.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You said you've written some of these wood. I'm not
sure if you wrote this one. I don't think it's
your handwriting, so I was a lot of these are
transcribed from our socials, I imagine by digital producer kV,
given that.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
She doesn't do much else with their day. All right,
here we go. The question is if you weren't in radio, she's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Going to kill you. She's going to kill you.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
What rag your finger across their throat? Just if you
weren't in radio, what job would you do? Question Mark?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Do you know I've actually got a comment on that
which you might find interesting. Previously, up until very recently
and even now I'm not fully through the woods, but
I am always thinking that there's a part of my
brain that's always like, if you get sacked tomorrow, what's
the plan? And you've got like really have a good
thing about what your plan.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Is, which is just savvy media brain, media brains, Like
it's like a Hunger Games brain.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Because you could get sacked at any moment.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You just kind of know that absolutely somebody could come
up with you, behind you and just give you those
poison blueberries just gone.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But I've realized that that was actually when I was,
I think at my most insecure. I realized that was
taking away from my enjoyment of what I really love doing,
which is radio with you five days a week, and
for the time that that exists, which currently is ongoing. Now, boy,
I got it tonight and I'm pretty sure we're on
(05:01):
tomorrow to get most.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Enjoyment out of that. I actually can't be thinking about.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
How if it all falls apart, what might happen?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, what might happen?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And also like have a think about what you would
what your life looks like if you get sacked tomorrow.
That was really taking away from like, oh God, I
love doing this, so so yeah, I think the reason
I brought that up is because, to answer that question,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Think about that a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Oh that's great, Yeah, trying not to.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Man, you've been.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Lulled into a false sense of security.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You're in the Hunger Games arena, my friend, they're coming
for you.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Backup. Very funny if I weren't. I agree. I think
that's a really different question from when we probably started
doing radio ten years ago to now.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I think that I mean, this is going to get
very real.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But like cards on the table, if we got sacked
now for no reason which could happen, which could happen,
they would have to give us a shitload of cash
for the for the rest of our contracts three year deal.
So we're walking away and going I've got time up
my sleeve, because I've got money out my sleeve. And
anyone that gets a golden handshake doesn't matter. What if
(06:25):
you've got a contract for a fixed term. If they
kick you out and they han't got a good reason for.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It, you've got money. Ye.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So I probably wouldn't think about doing anything for a
little while because I'd just be pumped it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I could be a dad like that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, and how rare to have the opportunity to
have there's still there's financial security there for a period
of time and.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Time to time time because I remember actually spoke to
Jules Lund after he was sacked from Sydney Breakfast. They
signed him for four years billion dollars a year of
four years classic Sydney Breakfast.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
They sacked him. He was literally on Sidy.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The Breakfast radio money for three years, and he was
just like, oh my god, well you know I've got
how many kids he's got.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm just gonna be a dad for a while. Like,
how good is that?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We should get sacked?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
We should try? The problem is he is the catch.
If you try and they point out that you've tried.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Then then I have to pay because you've repudiated delete
this audio, have to delete this. Yeah, no, we're not trying,
so it doesn't matter. But I think you actually brought
something interesting as well. There would in terms of you
weren't in radio, what job would you do? I feel like,
I mean, I'm going I'm definitely sort of stealing from
a from a.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Ben Crow style thought here. But who's the who's the guru?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Generally guru you might hear him on the Imperfect podcast
quite a bit. But I think there's a difference between
purpose and goal, and I think he taught me that concept,
which is like, if you're waking up every morning and
you're thinking about what you need to do to get
through the day, which might be I've got to pack
a thousand boxers, I've got to teach, I've got to
(08:01):
get through ten lessons across the day. If you're teacher,
whatever your if that's your goal for the day, that
can be quite that's totally unsustainable, and you will burn
out because that's what you're thinking about, you know you
kind of that's that's what I got to get through
to get through to day. That's when you're missing out
and you're not focusing on the thing that you should
focus on, which is what's your purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And your purpose should be.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Really the thing that you enjoy within getting through those
ten lessons. So if you got into being teaching because
you like teaching other people, or if you got into
when I say, backing boxes because you're you have the
fastest hands in the West and you and you know
you've packed boxes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, well that wasn't my Maybe you enjoy the process.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I don't know, whatever, whatever the thing is that you're doing,
if you have some level of job satisfaction around that thing,
that will probably be because there's a part of it
which you really connect with. And I feel like that
can manifest in many different ways. So right now, when
I love I love being creative, I love I love that,
and I feel radio is amazing for that He's coming
(09:05):
here and get to a new show.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Everything good.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But if I wasn't doing radio, I would probably have
to go, which might be a really interesting process. There
are ways to the drawing board and go fundamentally, what
how can I still tick that box? Which I think
is a really interesting conversation in general, because I think
you and I were loving doing things creatively together before all.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Of this started.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, exactly, And it could.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Have gone in any number of ways.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You know, we might have started up an advertising firm.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, I don't know what that is, but yeah, but
I think that would probably inform what I did after
radio if I wasn't doing radio right.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Now, Have you written an your purpose?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I tried, but I found it really hard because I mean,
you know me, I feel like there are a lot
of things, is that I get a lot of joy
out of doing so. I find it really hard to
distial exactly because I like processes. I like distilling information,
like communicating, and like creativity.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I find it hard. How did you go?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I I'm not ready nice because I'm really I don't
want to get a reaction from either from anyone at
this point, I'm.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You're tweaking it constantly. Isn't that the idea?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And it had like I had one written down for
a while, and then I realized that that that was
not my why. That was definitely more my It wasn't
making me birth out of bed every morning. It was
almost like, this is the reason you do what you do.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, but it's not the why why.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, which is interesting. They're to differentiate between them. If
you're listening right to this right now, and you're thinking,
here's why I do what I do, And you can
fill that question in with to put food on the
table for my family, to make sure I get out
of the house every day, to make sure I contributed
to society. That's different too. That's the reason why you
(11:10):
might do something, yes, But if you're looking for your enjoyment, yes,
quite answer the why you enjoy doing that thing exactly
because why you find full well why you find fulfillment
in doing.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
That thing, and that that money can be a big factor,
by the way, like if the reason, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Probably that's probably the reason as opposed to the why.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So there's one that's I've had down for I did
it over the break, not that we had a break
over Easter, but if we had a break, I may
have sat down and written something down and I was like,
this is this is ringing true? But yeah, I'm not
one hundred percent sure yet, but it's nice. But it's
it's the closest I've come to. Ben talks about how
if you do find your purpose and you really hone
(11:52):
in on that, then the work that you're doing when
you're focusing on that actually energizes you a bit. Yeah,
and this is the first time I've been like, I
think this is I think I know what he's talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, it's a really great thing to think about.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Actually, yeah, I find it really tricky because there are
so many things. Yeah, as I was saying that I
can do that, I get a lot out of that
I can't, Like, for example, this is going to strike
a lot of you as very strange. But like, I
love making coffee. Like I was a barista for a really,
really long time, and if you told me that I
was making coffee for eight hours a day in a
(12:31):
coffee shop, I actually get a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Of pleasure out of doing that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I like conversing with people. I like the process. I
like tinkering with the grain. I sound like I'm a
peasant in Russia. No, I like I like tinkering with
the grind, is what I mean to say. I like that,
and I like being locked in, and I like conversing
with people, and I like having my station, and I
like applying myself to something. But then on the other
(12:55):
end of the spectrum, I like writing plays and I
like making music.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So it's I like DJ.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's very I find it very tricky to do that,
so I wouldn't know. I also like science. Like the
other day I thought to myself that sometime in my fifties,
I might go and be a marine biologist.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, lovely, wow? Do you yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Which thing to do?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're so right here in all it's very hard to
steal an all.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You can't get it.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Out of all the things you just mentioned. There forget
marine biology that really opens doors. But if out of
like making coffee every day, so just just the process
of the grinding and the beans, et cetera. Take the
people out of it, and then same thing with writing music,
or same thing with writing the novel.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Which one do you think you'd want to do?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
This you might have be able to answer this, which
one would you want to do knowing that the coffee
that's made or the things that the thing that is
written is just put in a bin after you've done.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Oh interesting, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Probably the coffee fascinating.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But that's that's because I don't That's because I feel
like a part of making music or writing for me
comes down to the fact that I like the idea
that I'm sharing something like I like the idea that
even though I don't want people involved in the creative
process because that's mine, the sharing of ideas and connecting
(14:25):
with other people is a huge part about making art
for me.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But that's not to say with all art. I mean, yeah,
I want to get too deep.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But one of the questions I one of the things
that I discovered about purpose recently when I was talking
to my therapist was. He was like, when were you
sort of like happiest when you were a child.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well, and I said it was when I was in
my room by myself playing Lego. Yeah, tinkering, tinkering, And
I would literally throw that out at the end and
I'd be in there for hours, clothes door, No one
bothered me.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I would just get to build little things.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Would you would you want mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
To see your creation?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Didn't give a ship, pull it down, and then we'll.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Make something new tomorrow. That is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, and now it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
As I said it on my daughter as well, Max,
just anything to like fiddle with.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
She's just like, get me in there.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Anyway, Well, guys, now it's not going to marine biology Jesus.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I like to think that, oh, because you got this
whole ocean of like stuff that's giving you all this
different information. And then you can be like, oh, if
we move this slightly, if we think of that, that's
going to affect that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That could affect that.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I was like, you did get rocks off on water
temperatures and stuff like, well.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think so like like salinity and like and Also
you're you're isolated on a boat as well, you're isolated
like you're in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, been on a boat.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I love that. Something about being by yourself that I
just enriches me anyway, but on a boat would believable.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Believe maybe, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Hopefully that kind of despite the fact that I ended
up talking about playing Lego in my room, I hope
they didn't bore you. But I do think that's a
good exercise for people listening. Hopefully that stimulated a bit
of a conversation in your own hand about what you're
doing every day. And as you were there were good
questions that you asked Woods about. Yeah, throwing it out
at the end of the day, would you still do
it? It's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Also google Ben Crow. I don't know I'm throwing There
is Simon Sinek. He's an American, very similar thing, but
they go at it in different ways.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
And tomorrow on the show and William would he get fired?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, we're not trying.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I think it's a regular segment.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
The Golden handshake.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Oh my god, have we just given them a reason
to sack us? And then not pay us out because
they'll go to this audio and be like, see they
were trying little.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's a joke, a whole bit. It's been a it's
obviously a
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Track, obviously obviously same borkm
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