Mike Goldstein and The Big Chill

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Peter Helly. He welcome to you Ain't seen nothing
yet the Movie Podcast. We're our chat to a movie
lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite
got around to watching until now. And today's guests comedian
Mike Goldstein, all below. I want to stay here with you.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
He's the jobble my hate sneake sucked.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hi hail, They couldn't haven't any right now?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
You ain't seen nothing.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Mike Goldstein is not in Kansas anymore. Yes, Mike is
becoming one of my favorite Americans. He moved out here
years ago. I'm not even sure exactly what brought him me.
If it was love or if it was to pursue
comedy outside of America in Australia why not. But Mike
has been absolutely dominating the local scene. He is a

(01:18):
razor sharp, his edgy, his funny audiences. You would have
seen him on TV on shows like Tonightly Hughesy We
have a problem. But more recently, over the last couple
of years, he's been killing it on the one hundred
with Andy Lee. It's a really fun show. Audiences loving it.
It's back for us like fourth or fifth season, and

(01:39):
Mike is I guess a team captain or he's on
at least every second week. Him and Sophie Monk share
the duties, and I had the opportunity to do an
episode within recently which will be out in the future,
and it was just great fun hanging out with him.
He's a comic that I've watched a lot, and we've
been backstage a bit, but I haven't really had a
lot of time to genuine hangs, so I'm looking forward

(02:01):
to this. He has a podcast called The Phone Hacks,
which we might discuss a little bit later on because
I was involved inadvertently in one of his episodes. But
Mike is a big movie fan, so I'm looking forward
to this. He, like I said, is razor sharp. He's
a real comedy joke writer. Like he's a real craftsman

(02:24):
with his stand up and I'm stoked to be hanging
with him today.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Hey, everybody, my name is Mike Goldstein, and my three
favorite films are The Thing You Tie upon Rober.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Here, we're gonna draw a little bit of everybody's blood.
We're going to find out who's the thing. Watching Norris
and There gave me the idea of it. Maybe every
part of him was a whole. Every little piece is

(03:04):
an individual animal with a built in desire to protect
its own life. You see, when a man bleeds, it's
just tissue, my blood from one of you things on
to bay when it's attacked.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'm trying to survive, uh far ago.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
I'd be very surprised if I suspect was from Brainerd. Yeah,
and I tell you what from his footprint, he looks
like a big fella.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
You see something down there, Chief, No, I just think
I'm gonna burw jeez you okay, Margie, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
I'm fine, it's just morning sickness.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well that passed and back to the future.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
When this baby hits hedy a b prour here we
got to see some serious ship.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Up until this week, I had never seen the Big Chill.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
That you want.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
How wonder.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
I'll chose to make yes. Rarely has a movie been
so entwined with its soundtrack as nineteen eighty three's The
Big Chill from the opening chords of Marvin Gaye's timeless classic,
I heard it through the grapevine. We feel in safe hands.
Seven college friends are reunited under somber circumstances in South

(04:53):
Carolina after their friend Alex's suicide. Alex played by young
Kevin Costner in the performance that was completely cut from
the finished film. What follows is a weekend of sex, drugs,
and motown, as well as facing up to the people
they have become and wondering if the younger, more idealistic
selves would forgive them. Yes, adulthood is fun. Fresh off

(05:15):
riding a couple of sleeper indie hits, namely The Empire
Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost, Dark Rider and Now,
director Lawrence Kasden gets more personal here, and he gets
to do so with a stellar cast Glenn Close, who
nabbed the film's only Oscar nomination, Kevin Klein, William Hurt,
Jeff Goldblue, Mary kay Place, Tom Berenger, and Joe Beth Williams.

(05:35):
The Big Chill somehow remains delightful despite its grim subject matter.
Mike Goldstein, you're an American? You grab in America? Did
you grow up on reruns of J T. Lancer?

Speaker 4 (05:46):
I mean, I did appreciate the magnum Pi reference to this.
I have a shitty mustache, as you can say, and
that is definitely a magnum Pi influenced and I wish
you know, JT Lancer seemed like the more hedonistic magnum p.
I yes, and so I mean if we had J T. Lancer,
I would have been watching the shit.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I mean, I would still watch J T. Lancer. If
they want to make a reboot JD. Lancer, I am
here for it. Mike, Thanks for joining us this podcast.
You know you just say this at the end of
country fimement. You've watched a film for us, And thanks
for making the time out of your busy schedule doing gigs,
your own podcasts, but are recording one hundred. It's all
going on for my Cal's thing. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
The Big Chili is such an American film, even though
it's very universal. Why hadn't you seen it?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
It's just one of those ones that slipped by, Like
I'd seen the other ensemble eighties movies, saying Elmo's Fire
Breakfast Club, this one maybe eighty three was a little
too far.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Back from me. And I knew my old man loves
this film.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right, It's a much loved film, this one.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, And to him, I think it was like his Avengers.
You know, It's like all these huge actors at the
time like covering a other and you know, like it's
it's very dialogue heavy, and he was, you know, always
I knew he loved this, he raved about it.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I was only born in eighty so like I was
not provy to it, and I knew of the insane
Kevin Costner thing, so that always like piqued my interest.
And it's just like I do love eighties movies, as
you can tell by one of my picks. And yeah,

(07:29):
I just feel like I do like an ensemble film
and this one had just been a glaring omission and that.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well it was a glaring omission for me as well.
I'd never seen I was so thrilled when you suggested
this because I mean, I mean I've almost watched it
on my own time. Yeah, and I still could have
easily done that obviously, And I had done an occasion
with movies that I wanted to see, but I thought,
I'm going to wait till somebody picks this. Yeah, it
is loom large in my mind because people do connect
with this film. I think there is there is a

(07:57):
palet in this film. That is how we both feel
about it, particularly you because you've watched it for the
first time and being a bit younger than my good self.
See how it hits for you. Let's talk about your
three favorite films, good films. The Thing is a beauty.
I'm not sure if the Thing has come up in
our three favorite films it should.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think it was on the list that you sent me.
And then in one of my emails back, I said,
if anyone hasn't seen the Thing, they can't claim to
like movies.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's what I love about this podcast. Yeah, people have
like violent reactions to their favorite things.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, the fact that Nick Cody hadn't seen Back to
the Future, it's ridiculous. And he dresses like Marty mcclyd.
He wears a vest all the time. And I see
Hi mc ggigs and I'm like, you, Marty mcly look
a dipshit And he's like, oh, I only just watched it.
I'm like, what, how the hell did that miss you?
You know, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Judith Lushy like grew up, you know, Catholicism, hanging up.
It almost became a nun. She's a Sinophile. Yeah, and
she'd never seen the sound of music like that. This
made no sense to me, So it is I think
that's the hidden superpower of this these podcast is it's
like you were always like the reaction when I say
I could say to somebody, Mike als is coming into
the big Chill. What they'll have a movie that they

(09:11):
haven't seen that's surprising. But do you think that, well,
we'll get into don't think the big chills out there
in the future. I think I think Cody's Cody and
Judith Flushy and Sam Pang would never seen the Castle
whilst working with the people who made the castle. They're
the clubhouse leaders.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
As far as he should be fired from work and
dog he's just for that.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Reason he should and and and the logies.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, we all saw the monologue.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I Love you Sam Nable again two from two two
and two. Let's tell what you three films out So
the thing about the thing, So it's a cracker.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
It's the best.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's like an absolute master class and paranoia and tension
and uh, practical effects, everything about it. I mean just
you know, it's sci fi and horror and Kurt Russell
I think career best performance. I I can't really fault
anything about the movie at all. And then I was thinking,
because you know, on the way up here. I was like, Oh,

(10:06):
I knew you're gonna ask three favorite films. And I
was like, what if I threw you a curveball? And
I was like, Oh, it's actually the twenty and eleven
thing that I.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Love Legend and Mary Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Wednesday, Yeah, like that one. And I'm like, I'm like,
I don't even know there was an older one.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
I saw that. I think we may have had to
watch it for the interview on TV or radio. Yeah,
didn't mind. It did not mind. Like I thought it
was a reasonable remake.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
It's yeah, I just think, you know, there's the nostalgia
movies that they're trying to milk, you know, like the
Point Break remake, Like just if you were that guy
that were like, oh, the Point Break remakes is better,
but the thing itself is.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
A remake, right I think you're right, yes, yeah, yes.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
So that's the middle one because I think there was
a like nineteen fifties version of the thing.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's a bit like I think people work that out
when the probably the thing was really oh there was
another thing. It's like a star is born. Yeah, you know,
like it was not like the fourth time that films we.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
May Yeah, exactly. So the Yeah, to me, one of
the best scenes of all time is the blood testing
scene and the thing I think the most tense, and yeah,
the acting in it is amazing. And then obviously the
creature whened the head gets decapitated and it sprouts you know,
iraqnet legs amazing, right, And I think I saw that

(11:28):
for the first time when I was twelve year right,
and that's just burned into Mysachi.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah. Yeah, And isn't it going to see Kurt Russell
have a bit of a renaissance, you know, over the
last ten years or so, like going back to probably
Django Unchained. I think he probably reappeared or he seemed
to repeat. Yeah, hbo. You know, I mean obviously these
actors don't listen to this podcast, but yeah, you're working
on a lot of movies. It just went went hitting.
Oh yeah, he was in Tarantino and then he winning
back also for once by the time in Hollywood. It's

(11:54):
just it's just good. Yeah, it's Michael Keaton, those actors
in the eighties that kind of hit big in the
eighties maybe lost their way for what reasons, and then
getting their chances again.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh death Proof.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
He was amazing and then then you know he got
folded into the Marvel universe as the Dad in Guardians of.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
The Galaxy, the second one, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so
yeah he has.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I mean, he's always been one of my favorite actors, Like,
you know, John Carpenter also did Escape from New York, Escape.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
From La Snake Pliskin, Pilskin plisket, plis getting well snake plisket,
snake snake. We know snake, you know, of course.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah, so to me, yeah, he's always been top five
probably favorite actors. And then everyone in the in the
thing is just like delivers every aspect of it. And
the fact that you know, the twenty eleven one relies
heavily on CGI, whereas you know, you see practical effects
and you're like that so much better.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
It's something directors when they use practical effects, whether it's
Christopher Nolan, you know, like they will go on and
then I'll try to make the and yes, you can
get away with special effects that look really genuine and
when you're watching it you won't even maybe notice on
a conscious lebel but there's something self conscious about that

(13:12):
experience of seeing practical effects used.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Oh amazing, Like and just last night I saw the
new alien movie Romulus. Ah, right, and they go back
there's still some CGI, but they go back to like
a dude in a rubber suit, and I'm like that rules. Yeah,
it's amazing, you know, because that's what I mean, Alien
and the Aliens what we kind of grew up on,
you know, seeing that chair and so the fact that
he's thrown it back to you know, the face huggers

(13:36):
or little practical puppets and stuff. There is still the
mix of CGI.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
But I was just like that blew me away. I
was like, thank god, Well.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
What I liked about the more recent Star Wars sequels, Yeah,
and I was more into it than you know, some
people were. J Abrams is practical effects again, and even
in the Mandalorian, you know your Grogus, you know you
can see it's a practical it's a puppet, you know,
it's you know, I think there's an electronic city somewhere,
but he's there on set. And there's something good about.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Real fans has Grogu instead of Baby Yoda. Hell yeah, deep.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Sorry sorry, I mean if you don't know, he's not
Baby Yoda. By now, let's talk about Fargo very surprisingly,
we're about one hundred and sixty odd episodes into this
podcast and the Ca'm Brothers have not come up enough
for mine. In fact, I'm not even sure if we've
covered one. I'm not sure if people are embarrassed that
they to put their hand up and say, I haven't

(14:34):
seen you know, a Fargo or a czy country. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
That that infuriates me because I could have gone top
three all Coen Brothers. Yeah, to be honest, I mean,
I did an Honor's Arts degree because I you know,
I have no other skills, and in the Honor's Arts agree.
It's before I did a lot of degree. I wrote
a dissertation on a genre theory and the Coen Brothers,

(14:59):
basically because I wanted to spend a year just watching
the Coen Brothers movies and not doing anything else. And
my dissertation absolute dogshit.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
By the way, I think it's like they buried it.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
But it must be. It must be hard, I think,
to write about the Coen Brothers because they share very
little about what they think their films is about, which
I thinks can be infuriating, but also I kind of
love it because it's their work is open to interpretation. Yeah,
sometimes I get impression that they're not as much into
that idea of everything means something like this is just

(15:32):
like this esthetically works, this, this is we like this
because it's funny. Yeah, and everyone's trying to like work
at every little detail.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I know, but there is that's the thing, so much
subtext in all of their films, and you're like, you
know inside Lewin Davis, I watched again recently.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's an underrated film.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Amazing A serious man like I watched a couple of
weeks ago and I was like, this is.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
So much better than I felt after first watch.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, because I was watching it and you know, after
No Country and Fargo, Barton Fink, you know I should
have watched. You know, Lady Killers are intolerable cruelty.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'll tell you what they I think one of the
most underrated films is is Burn. After reading I think
definitely maybe their funniest film. I think I have it
funnier than The Big Lebowski. Yeah, I just think I
think it's George Clooney and his funniest Yeah. I think
he's brad pitted, he's funniest. Franz mcdoin's always great everyone's
just so Malkovich Malcovich.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, yeah, he's great in it, and I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Want to have to google him again. But who's who's
the guy who's you know, the shape of Ward. I'm
gonna have Richard, Oh Jenkins Jenkins, of course, Richard Jenkins
is so good.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
He's so good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
And that's the thing, like there's Coen Brothers movies that
have flown under the radar, like Billy Bob Thornton was
never better than Man who Wasn't There? Yeah, which was
kind of like a big part of the you know,
the genre of the film noir thing, and I kind
of used it and that in Barton Fink and Miller's Crossing,
which again, I mean, we could just talk Coen Brothers
if you want.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
We haven't made with a cam brother film that you
actually did nominate being far, but any film I think
with the Coen Brothers that I've watched when it was
released and was underwhelmed by, like you did with A
Serious Man, if you come back to it later on,
maybe you were in the red headspace, maybe you went
ready for it. Yeah, but I suspect, like Lady Killers,
I must say, didn't you know and it's I sense

(17:23):
it's not one of their best.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
No, I think there's zany comedy stuff like Intolerable Cruelty
and what was the Hail Caesar? Yeah yeah, those ones
just don't really hurt for me the same.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, I'm a bit the same. Where brother, where at? Now?
I that's come up a couple of times in people's favors.
Actually that again, I think when when Clooney overplays comedy,
it's jarring to me, you know, But I think we've
been after reading For whatever reason, he just he found there.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
There was something about a super handsome guy trying to
be funny. I'm like, stay in your lane, dude.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, can I mark you? Shimmering eyes? What smile?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
But Fargo?

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, I think every frame of that movie is just masterful.
And I grew up in Kansas, and the phrase for that,
the kind of the night it's called Minnesota ice. Right,
this kind of you're outwardly polite and you know, very gregarious,
but like there is a passive aggressiveness to it. And
so that's a Midwest thing, right, That's it's Minnesota and ice.

(18:28):
I know the phrase, but I in Kansas, you see
that a shit on as well. Right, and so that
kind of demeanor like really struck a chord with me. Again,
the performances Francis McDorman, will each Macy and oh Pashimi, yeah,
Peter Stormyer, just every the whoever plays the Dad character.

(18:50):
The scene that I've argued about the most with people
is the Mike Yanagita scene where Francis mcdormant meets an
old friend.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, And people are like, why is it in the movie, Yes,
and it's to me it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, I've thought about that scene a lot as well. Yeah,
and that's what I like about the Caen Brothers, where
we want to have this scene because we just like
this scene. Yeah, and then it does inform character. Uh huh.
It's not completely waste, but because it's not plot necessary
for the plot, Yeah, I think people it jars with
some people.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
But then to me, now that I've watched it so
many times, I think her character has a slight shift.
She's more cynical after that scene and goes back and
interviews Jerry Lundergard and she's more not willing to accept
him at face value, and so there's a shift in
her demeanor and her investigative work post the Mike Yanagita

(19:45):
conversation interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, the scene that I always again I love as well.
And there's so many great scenes in this and it
was exciting. I started in the cinema and it's exciting.
I think I Risable Dogs comes out before this. I think, yeah,
so Steve Ashimil seen Steve Machini before. I'm trying to
think of how much of Frances McDormand. I would have
seen Frants mcdawnds Missippi Burning, so I would have actually
seen her because I love that movie. I think we

(20:09):
make Macy was new to me, so it felt like
either I was watching people I didn't know particularly well,
or I'd kind of forgotten about and or new people.
This felt like this, This town felt very real to me.
He wasn't filled with movie stars. And the scene when
we match Macy's character is Jerry is he's getting frustrated

(20:30):
and he's trying to get the ice of his windscreen
and that's the moment that makes him crack. And I
think that is so true to life that we don't
explode necessarily in those moments that we think, oh, hang on,
you've just been told this horrible thing. When you explode
you explode, you know, when you can't get the door
open in the house with the key won't go, you know,
the shopping burst bag bursts.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yeah, of course, such a perfect just character moment. I mean,
he just delivers an amazing performance and that and the
scenes with her and him obviously stand out. But yeah,
you're right, the BUSHEMI storm are Like, it's just the
combinations of characters in that movie just make it just
crackle the whole time.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, right to me.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
The juxtaposition of the two marriages where it's William H.
Macy Jerry lounderguard, yeah, trying to you know, get his
wife kidnapped, and then the pure marriage of Marge Gunderson
and her husband, and that just like, Okay, there's the
most pure, amazing marriage and then the most evil, fucked up.
It just sets it off and it drives everything. Yeah,

(21:36):
just yeah, And I love the bullshit. This is based
on a true story. You start, yeah, and then I.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Think the first that I'm aware of who'd done that,
and they just went yeah yeah, with a fucking com brothers.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
And the myth is is that some like Japanese tourists
died looking for the money, like went out into the
frozen tundra of you know, northern Minnesota looking for the
money and died of exposure. So they have blood on
their hands for that.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's crazy, right.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
That is not I had no idea that happened. Yeah,
I want to watch that movie again, and I've seen
it many times. I love Fargo, a movie I've seen many, many,
many times, even more than Fargo. He's Back to the Future.
We mentioned it earlier because Nick Cody had never seen
it before. What's Before our podcast live at the Melmanney
National Comedy Festival. It's a perfect film.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
It is everything I mean, the defining movie of my childhood,
probably yours.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think we watched the VHS so many times, like
the tape would burnout and we'd have to buy a
new one.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Even the sequel holds up for me, maybe in a
more of a nostalgic sense.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
I have a hoverboard at my apartment, you know, that's
pride of place. I only just like, like I follow
back to the future pages on socials, you know, where
they throw little titbits and facts at you. And I
only just realized that Christopher Lloyd was forty six when
he played Doc Brown for the first time.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Occasional I'll see Christopher Lloyd in approaching I.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Really yeah, he was like the quintessential old man. Yeah,
it's like and then forty six, I'm like, so what
four years older than I am? Now I was like,
that's not that's.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's a great I am three years older than Doc. Yeah,
that is amazing as wild.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Right, So yeah, just a I can't hear Huey Lewis. So,
I mean, I don't know how often I listen to
Huey Lewis, but obviously when I do, it triggers all
the you know, memories, and it's so he's so tied
to that movie. And I was a little skape rat
as well as a kid, so even the skateboarding and
it like stood out for me.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
You know, I wasn't I was never good on the skateboard. Right,
It comes as a shock I'm sure for many people,
but that sequence is perfect. Like as a kid, you
kind of go, how cool manure? Is that the new
the Spark's coming off? Yeah, But just so like the
details the things you learn in that opening sequence when

(23:57):
before a word he's been said, but Mardy goes to
doctor apartment and that you know, there's the news and
obviously he's an inventor and he's missing, and it's all
these all these amazing things that you find out, and
that continues all the way through and nothing's forced. You know,
sometimes it feels it's like a gag that comes back
later on and it's it's it's it means something, you know.

(24:18):
And Michael J. Fox, he was him and Ted Dance
and growing up to me were like, that's how you act. Yeah,
the kind of naturalness of their styles, both in Family
Ties and Cheers and in their subsequent movies, just as
like that's if I was to get to act, that's
how I kind of want to act.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah, where do you think that movie would say? If
Eric Staltz had played Michael J. Fox or Marty McFly.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I suspect it would still be good because the plot
and the and the filmmaking is still very good. Yeah,
it may not. This may not be quite as good.
I think it's to be very good, not as iconic. No,
Michael Eric Steltz apparently saw it as a darker, more serious,
dramatic movie.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, because they shot scenes with them and they're like,
this isn't working.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, getting acted.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I feel like it's such a good big movie if
you get acted and yeah, everyone look, that's the one
that everyone knows and everyone speaks about.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I think it's the most famous recasting.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
It must be, right, especially if they're in filming and
then they boot them and get someone else in.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It has to be.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
And then he knocks it so far out of the park.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
In Eric stets defense, they did want Michael J. Fox
before and he was just not Family Ties will not
release him. Yeah, and then they did and he was
working on Family Ties during the day and back to
the Future at night. I think the scene in the
the More when they the time machine and the Libyans come,
that was the first his first day of shooting. It's
not a shooting.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. And then I mean, if they
remake this, I think Zamacus has had under no circumstances
will he allow them to remake it, right, But I
think if they do, it'll be sacrilege, right because you can't, Yeah,
you can't do anything. And if it's a sequel, it'll
be bad.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I don't know. And Okay, back to Fargo.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
The TV show paid off for me because the TV
show wasn't a remake. It was just in this kind
of universe. Yeah, And the first two seasons are amazing
at Fargo, right, and it pays tribute to there's so
many Easter eggs for Cohen brother fanatically that it's just
like made for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So, I mean

(26:19):
I didn't mind Fargo as a TV show, but I
think back to the future, if they ever redo it,
it'll be it'll be awful.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's funny because I was going to and we will.
We'll get to it later because we're going to move
on to the movie feature movie. Let's just talk about
you make a pretty compelling case not to move on
to The Big Chill, but I do want to. But
I'm going to ask you whether, and this might become
a regular question almost a segment, is would you sequel

(26:48):
the movie or reboot it? And how would you do it?
We might get to that later for the Big Chill.
But let's get in to the movie. We are here
to talk about pretty strong stuff.

Speaker 7 (27:03):
Feel terrible.

Speaker 8 (27:07):
Last time I spoke with Alex, yeah, a fight, I yelled,
That's probably why I killed himself.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
We designed we were what was the argument about?

Speaker 7 (27:31):
I told him he was wasting his life.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay, Mike Goldstein, you can talk about your favorite films
all you like. I'm gonna make you talk about the
film I made you watch during the week N three
Lawrence Kasden, starring an impeccable cast Tom Berenger, Glen Close,
Jeff Goldbloom, William Kevin Kleine, amongst others. Directed by the
Great Lawrence Kasden. Did you enjoy nine in eighty three's

(27:58):
The Big Chill.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Like Look?

Speaker 4 (28:04):
I watched it like twice because I wanted to fully
do that often with movies, watch it once for like
an entertainment superficial level, and then watch it again to
analyze and soak it in. And on first viewing, I
was like, this is a soundtrack in search of a movie, right,
It just seemed like an excuse to play all these

(28:26):
classic songs. And then on second viewing there was more
that I appreciated in terms of setting up characters. The
lack of exposition was great. You know, they kind of
like leave it up to the viewer to piece things together.
I don't think dialogue is Lawrence Casten's specialty.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
He's come from a galaxy file file away, and he's
not respected at all.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, and Raiders of Lost Arc. So he's doing these huge,
like archetypal set piece action you know, sci fi movies,
and then he did this quiet, little ensemble piece.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Almost. I do like a love of the dollar in
this movie. Yeah, I think there is. I mean it's
really about you know, hip, he's becoming yuppies.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
I think that's why my old man loved it, you know,
like because I think to boomers it probably strikes a chord.
And then to me, it would be fascinating if like,
in another fifteen years they meet up again. There's a
sequel The Big Chill too, still chilling, and it's like
where are they at now? And then they just probably
own all the property and you know, are much more

(29:36):
self centered than they are in this movie.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
What brings him together?

Speaker 4 (29:40):
That in the sequel, would you would think William Hurt's
character would be the next dead one?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Oh yeah, tough one though, because he uh, he's one
of the better characters. I think, Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
And I did like that his character as soon as
he's introduced, he's doing coludes in the car and I
love that introduction of the characters. All you know, hearing
about the death arriving at the funeral and also unpacking
their suitcase, like great little moments to set up who
they are.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think every shot in this movie tells you something
that's what I like about, even if it's of an
object or a place, and that I agree. The opening
I think is phenomenal, just good strong filmmaking, is not
too much exposition like you've you've mentioned, and just getting
into it. And this movie is a little bit of halftime,
you know, a bit of the song Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

(30:33):
Kevin Klein with his kid, who's I think Jonathan Kasten,
the son of I think I wrote a solo I think.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
With didn't cut him out.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Because there's a couple of his wife's in it. He's
another kid who asked for Sam for his autograph. That's
another Kasdin and Stewardess is his wife Meg, who helped
with the music as well. And then a phone call,
not even going close. I love it when filmmakers and
day I'm not sure what coverage they get on the day,
but don't have they have the courage just stay back

(31:05):
and let the scene play out, and it's then close,
Sarah taking the phone call, hanging up and then she
just comes with teas in her eyes, nothing said, and
you hear that music. I would say about the music,
I know what you mean, Like there are so many
hits in this movie, but I feel like it does
service the story. Yeah, you could put score in here, yeah,

(31:27):
but I feel like, like the Rolling Stones one, he's
maybe the best example of Karen gets up and sing
you performs on the organ, yeah, one of his favorite,
Alex's favorite songs, which is you can't always get what
you want Rolling Stones and the pall Bearers all come out,
load up the coffin and then eventually goes into the
Rolling Stones version.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
And plays the whole song out yeah. Yeah, which is
a great thing where even the Marvin Gaye song Grapevine
at the start like plays all the way through.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, and you don't see that.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
That would I'd love to know their budget, yeah said,
this is not a big budget of the movie.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
He had that Sweet Star Wars money, so you can
buy the rights to it. And I mean, all the
songs are great. I think it's the first time I've
heard credence in a non Vietnam movie, you know, or
a war movie of that.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
You know.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
So even when you hear Credence, You're like, oh yeah,
like it doesn't have to be used purely for Vietnam ship.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
You know, I think credence. I remember playing a I
think it was Carry a bit more. Actually, I said,
I was driving home one day and I said, for
some reason, we got on the Credence because Carry's got
these partial to some you know, some shed in modern
music as well. She works in the Commission radio station,
but she likes older music as well. And I said,
do you like Credence? And I'm always I think I've

(32:45):
done this to a few people. When that when is
that rolling through creatence clean water revival songs? Yeah, people
minds are blown by how many songs they actually do recognize.
Oh yeah, they are any incredible and I think they're
goind of get left behind in some of the discussions
that we have about the great band of that era.
Of course, what I loved about the Swing with Vietnam
is how I thought William Hurt's character.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Oh true, so there is a Vietnam connection.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
There is a Vietnam. But I like that they didn't
make it about that.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
No, but explain to me, because I was trying to
figure it out. Did he like ruin his dick. Dick, Yeah,
in Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
It is a blink and you'll miss it kind of detail.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, because he like starts explaining it and then it
cuts away, and then she starts shrieking, which is a
nice little gag, you know, and then because there's a
bat in the upstairs room. But like it was just like, yeah,
I almost just like want to find out what happened.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
To this dude's dick.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
That's a prequel.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
The Little Chill, Yeah, so that you know, and then
it gets referenced, I think later when the character who's
trying to get pregnant or no, that wasn't that. But
then again, I think it comes up with Alex's young girlfriend.
He mentioned something about my junk doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah. Yeah, and there's there's a lot of details that
would feel like big details in any other film. Yeah
that if you're not paying attention.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I think the first time, for some reason, I missed
the idea that Sarah Glenn Close had had an.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Affair yeah with Alex really.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, so when they're running, it all gets kind of explained. Yeah,
it's William Hurton and Kevin Klein, Harold and Nick and yeah,
he says it was five years earlier and they had
to work through it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Well, she clearly, out of all the characters, seems the
most devastated by the loss of Alex Right. Yeah, and
even like some of the Tonal chefs, Like there's a
scene she's crying in the shower naked, you know, about
the last and then it just cuts to them, you know,
dancing around the table, and I guess that's kind of
the point, you know, like we suppressed grief and act

(35:01):
out in different ways. But just for me, tonally, I
was like Jesus, you know, she's experienced this loss and
then they're all just like making solid and dancing and
you know, I don't know, I just to me, the
shifts were a little jarring sometimes, But.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I what I liked is it rang Did it feel
truly like first I believed they felt like a bunch
of friends, like college friends.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
They did a really good job, and apparently Lawrence Kassen
had a few weeks with them where they lived in
the house and they cooked and they played music together
and they sometimes eventually was all being character. Yeah, So
they arrived on set the film with a good feeling
for each other. They've gone to college. For while, I
had to work at how old they were. Yeah, I
was like, is this an American thing where the ages

(35:47):
are a bit skewy but they are like thirty yeah, yeah,
and we is I think roughly the age they all are,
So the ages are all right, But I yeah, I
do think they all feel like college friends. And then
I was trying to track should they be more devastated,
like because there is like humor from the get go,

(36:07):
Like there's jokes at the funeral. I mean, going close
actually makes you know, the biggest joke about the funeral
We specialize in in you know, funerals for people who
killed themselves in their bathtub. Yeah, but what's great about it?
She didn't, says did Why did I say?

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, there is a moment of immediate reflection. Yeah, oh god,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
So but I was trying to you know, I was
curious to chat you about did they feel devastated enough
or is the point is they didn't really know Alex Yeah,
which Nick makes that point of like we'd let go
of him years ago, right.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Because there's been fifteen years since they're all together, so.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
They've all moved on.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
So I do kind of suspect that they wouldn't be
necessarily completely shattered as you would if a friend who
you're in constant contact with, yeah, does this. And I'm
not sure if you've been close to this kind of
incident as as aside goes. I been like, I don't
you know, we had awake, you know, and there was
certainly a celebration and humor, but outside of that, yeah,

(37:09):
I don't think there was a lot of you know, fun. Yeah,
but I think with the time that's passed, it feels
kind of right, I think.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Okay, yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
I mean I've been through a similar circumstance and yeah,
there is gallows humor with any of that, and especially
as comics, you know, like you want to cut through
the tension by making a joke, right, And I think
that's built into the script of this film. And all
the actors are great. I mean, like I said, you know,

(37:40):
my Dad's Avengers movie, because you're getting like huge stars
of the time together, William Hurt, Tom Berenger, Kevin Klein.
You know, the fact I didn't realize, I mean, I
know we'll get to it probably in more detail, but
the fact that Kevin Costner, who to me is the
hugest star to come out of this movie. It's never

(38:00):
shown do you see him? You just see his body.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
So for a while I was like, who was the
guy in the suit, So it's the idea. Do you
think that he's getting made up for the coffin?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, but it's not open Caska. Do you ever see
him at all?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And there's been a lot of pressure from fans to
release the Costner version.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, which is the flashbacks.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yes, yeah, So the last scene was going to be
got a long scene. I think it's the first scene
they shot of then younger with Alex there, but they
kind of thought they couldn't. Alex is raised and put
on this pedestal throughout the whole movie that they didn't
think they could do it justice by showing one scene
of him, like the job was already done.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
And I guess Kevin Carser at the time wasn't like
a huge He wasn't.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
He wasn't and Lorence Caven felt bad about it so
gave him the lead in Silverado. Yeah, but yeah, he
he He kind of explodes with Bullderham, I think afterwards
and the Untouchables and.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Filled the dreams all dreams so yeah, to me, it
did ring true.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I'll say this.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
The character identified with the most was Jeff Goldbloom as
a creepy why Why, as a wise cracking jew that
no one wants to sleep with.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I was like, oh, yeah, I got that.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, I mean, let's just stay on Jeff gold I'm
happy to come back to Jeff Goldlin if you want.
If you want to make another point, yeah, when he
starts hitting on Chloe Yeah, played by make Tilly.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
The I was looking at her and I was going, God,
she looks like Jennifer Tilly.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
She reminds me. And then then I looked up her name.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
And I was like, sister, so amazingly similar. Yeah, I
think she's great. She also gives us this outside of
his view of what's going on.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Her lines are amazing, like, uh, the I don't talk
about my past as much as you people do. And
it's like yeah, because it's all they're doing is, you know,
reminiscing as friends do. And that is a great perspective
because if you get together with an old group of friends,
anyone like a new partner or someone is like, it's
so boring to them. Yeah, they're so unhappy.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
See one generation judging another generation, yeah as well. And
you know she has that line where she says, you know,
I don't hang out with I don't hang enough. I
don't hang out with enough happy people, so I don't
know how they really behave. Yeah, you know, and even
her interludes and her just laughs loudly when the tension
that Nick brings into the amazing line.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Like one of my favorite lines was the one she goes, oh,
I wanted to ride in the limo and she's talking about.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
The hearse or the corpses.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
It's like that perspective is it saying like someone going, oh,
I wish I could be in the limo, It's like
you don't want to be in the hearse.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
That's saying is this? And then that's said, He's so
perfectly written nothing because you got that kind of the
weirdness like everyone. I think, I think quite catch I
actually watched it a couple of times. I couldn't quite
catch what Glen Close said when they said how long
has it been going out for? I watched it was
like four weeks or four months. Yeah, I couldn't quite
catch it. Unfortunately, it would be good detail to know. Yeah,

(41:05):
but she's new to all of them, then new to her,
and she's still at the limo, and then Jeff Gold creepy,
Creepy Michael says, oh, you know, I write in quite
a few limos, and he explains that he writes for
People magazine. You know pretty quickly that that's not what
he wants to of course, you know, that was his
dream destination. And then it flicks over to Sam tom

(41:29):
Berenger and he's talking about, you know, how he acts,
and Jeff Goblin kind of sniggers a little bit at that,
so you can see that it's not the TV show
that he wants to be making either. Yeah, and it's
just so it's it's I think it's really definitely done well.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
So I thought, yeah, definitely with those characters. But my
biggest problem would be some of the female characters, like
the one the lady who just wants to have a baby,
that's her driving motivation.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I'm like, yeah, And then.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
They sounds like a weird thing to be tackling at
the weekend of a funeral.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, And I mean you've seen that trump before where
some death begets life, you know what I mean. Like,
so it's like, oh, it's the cycle. But then my
partner watched when I watched the first run of this movie,
she watched with me, and when Glenn Close says I
want my husband to sleep with you to provide you

(42:17):
with the child, my partner yelled, Oh, fuck off, because
it's like so unsettling, and it's you know what I mean, Like,
it's just so gross al must.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
It's a weaken You've been very emotional. Yeah, why not
take a few days to think about it?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yeah, And it's so weird and I don't know, it's
it's foreshadowed a bit like Kevin Klein jumps on the
couch and that lady wants to get pregnant rubbing his
feet and she's wearing the clothes of the wife even
you know. And then yeah, the fact they're sex scene
is like so uncomfortable to me. He's like deep eye
contact and he's just slowly grinding away. And yeah, so

(42:56):
my partner's responsible.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Fuck off.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
When that you know, plot twist or whatever you want
to call it happened, I felt that because I was like, yeah,
it just feels forced and weird and unsettling in a way.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah, I can understand you want to you want to
have a payofficer. Things need to be happening in people's lives,
and I can understand why that idea comes up, but
I agree it felt a little bit icky and also
the kind of thing where you go, do you regret
that a week later, a month later, when the baby's born,
you know, I know they all happy that the next morning.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Oh, she's going to be coming after the stocks and
that company.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
You know what I mean, the shoe company exactly.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
He's Kevin Cline's character has got this huge, you know,
business deal going on, and he's given people insider trading advice.
The kids better get a taste, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I did one of the scenes. One of my favorite
scenes was when the cops come and they challenge they're
going to let Nick go because Nick's got himself into
some trouble and they're going to let him go if
Sam can do his you know, jump into the car
like he does on the TV sh he tries it

(44:06):
and you can't do it. I like a one that's funny. Yeah,
physically it's funny in a in a very talky movie
where there's people inside the light, but then where it
goes the kind of conversation between Nick and Harold is
really good. I think we start getting to where the

(44:26):
movie is trying to make a point. Let's have a listen. One,
did you get so friendly with cops? Harold?

Speaker 8 (44:37):
You're fucking stupid, stupid.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:42):
First of all, that cap has twice kept this house
from being ripped off.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Happens to be a hell of a guy.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
You come on, Harold, what is it?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
What is it with you?

Speaker 8 (45:03):
Is jail another experience? You want to try? See what
that's like? You know, I live here, this place means
something to me. I'm dug in. I don't need this ship.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Kevin Klein leanning, living heavily into this something extent for
some reason, I think where he's.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It dips in it out.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's still.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Oh yeah, one of the best. But to me and
for the male characters, he was the.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Most one note as well.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah yeah, so his character, I mean again, you know,
obviously he's got a successful business, and it just seemed,
I don't know, there wasn't much depth to him. But
I don't know how you read it as well, But
maybe that scene probably added a little more kind of
color and depth to him. But yeah, I just didn't

(45:57):
feel like he was fully fleshed out.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I guess he was the one who was
defending their right to change and evolve and not be yeah,
you know, eighteen twenty or early twenty for the rest
of our lives. Yeah, and he's going, this is okay,
you know, and the fact that you know, no doubt,
you know, they ain't necessarily overtly say it, but they
those young kids are anti cops, you know. And then

(46:21):
and now they're like, no, he protects her house.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Also though the first probably cuck in a movie, you know,
his wife is sleeping with another man and he just
deals with it.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
He's like, yeah, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Well, I just meant that's there to help us. It's
almost one if. It's almost like Glenn closest character, Sarah
is saying she knows what she's done in the past,
so she's broken that. You know, does that make it
easier for her to kind of go, let's you have

(46:55):
this experience?

Speaker 4 (46:56):
See Yeah, I kind of thought that as well, where
she's like, all right, you at a pass.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, I'm not sure that in the real will and
when Karen, sorry, when Meg comes in, when the acting
has been agreed upon, you know, Yeah, she's really dressed up,
she's got she's gotting.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
On layers off.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, there's a lot of work to be done.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
And then in the morning they thought the greatest sexual
experience they've ever had, Like really from the dressing gown.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Oh and the snippet we saw of it, it looked awful.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Really, it's finding the sixth scenes. Oh, all always fully clothed,
and this the.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
One outdoors with Tom Berenger and Aaron Karen Karen to me, okay,
to me, she was the worst part of the movie,
right because her motivation. She's in a loveless marriage, which
is kind of set up nicely early. But and it's
also like her just being so wonder dimensional. Okay, but
it also provided to me my favorite part of the movie,

(47:56):
which is her husband eating a mayonnaise on white bread
sandwich and washing it down with a glass of milk.
I was like, that's so funny. It's like, we know
he's bland, but they're really hammering at home.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Do Americans get up in the night as much as
movies suggests, because I've never gotten in the middle of
not for a meal. I just haven't, and I enjoy
a meal yeah, and I don't know any My wife
doesn't do it. My wife may have a cap of
tea and toast if she can't sleep. It very very rarely.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I suffer from a bit
of insomnia, but you know, I'll just get up, read
a book for a little bit, go back to bed.
But I'm never cracking out of mayonnaise on white bread
sandwich and a glass of milk.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
And you can sleep.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
You sleep out that.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
And the thing is like he kind of says an
interesting line where he's like, oh, you know, I have
a bit of insomnia and this is the only like
piece of quiet I get from the family. So I
love I love the fact that I can't sleep.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
And I'm up at the night. And then he's when
he's eating that.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
I was so it was so funny to me that
you're setting him up his bland. And there's a line
about him that's also one of the best lines in
the movie where she goes, oh, I know he'll always
be faithful and someone goes, oh, you guys trust each other,
and she goes no fear of herpes. I was like,
all right, that's funny, you know. Yeah, So that's this

(49:23):
husband's just kind of a whipping boy. And then he
you know, he leaves pretty early on.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
But I think he leaves knowing that his wife has
designs on Sam or and he's okay with it happening,
or that he just he thinks it might happen, but
he's not gonna wait around to watch it.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Because it seems like he at the funeral, like immediately
it sets it up like that she's like staring at
at Sam, the Tom Berenger character, and then the husband
looks over disapprovingly, like.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
They meet outside of the church, and he's not we watch
you shows all the time.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Yeah, he's a big fan. So to me, that was
the best character was the husband. I'd watch a whole
movie of this. This fucking dude eating mayonnaise sandwich just.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Just truth bombs with Richard sandwich.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yeah, but to me, yeah, Karen who And then their
sex scene outdoors like fully clothed, and I, you know,
I get it that they're not making sex seem like
this wonderful, flowery thing, almost in binary to the other
sex scene where it is seemed not erotic, but like

(50:35):
it's like, oh, this beautiful moment, and then theirs is
all like frenzied and outside and anyone who has had
sex outdoors knows it's the worst experience. You know, it's
never good. They got mosquito bites all over their ass
at this point.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
It's just terrible.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
It is, Yeah, wearing a mask and run at your bum.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I mean, if you're Richard Gear, you paid for it.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I would love to know that rumor is true. The
I would love to know of the discussions about how
to Obviously, even and more so these days with intimacy
coordinators on certain things need to be really mapped out.
But I would like to know the discussions they had
for the Meg and Harold sex scene, because obviously they
want it's built to be as far as what we

(51:23):
see beforehand and afterwards as a loveliness to it. And
I wonder how they how can we reflect this in
the actual because I'm not sure if they pun nailed it.
But you don't want too much. You don't want a
full nudity scene, you know, you want to use it.
Glenn close in the bath, crying in the bath, which

(51:43):
eighties still like they still we're pretty okay with a
lady's nip.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, she in fatal attraction.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Guys, does she go for now?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah? Well, yeah, I think she does. It's only a
few years after about four years, four years after this.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Are you saying no nips and movies anymore. I feel
like we're in a posting it barrow.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I feel like you might be posting it a posting.
It's just so much. I think we went we'll post
it for a while. Maybe we actually the nips come back. Okay,
there's so much content now it's hard to keep across
side now it's certainly Game of thrins. Game of Thrones,
will you makes up for most of it?

Speaker 4 (52:18):
So TV nips, But yeah, movie nips are rare, especially
like the comedies of the eighties and nineties. There's ah, dude,
it was nothing button it.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Even in the Hangover. I'm trying think the Hangover movies
is I can't remember there being like much nudity. I
might be completely wrong in this forgetting Yeah, massive scene
which was all.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
But it's like say, gags like an airplane which was
flying high here, you know, just like there's turbulence and
it just cuts the massive set of cans jiggling around.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
It's like it's funny.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
It was like it was the Wild West about that. Okay,
let's talk about Jeff Goblins. He set up so creepy
from the get go. Yeah, that he basically is trying
to groom Chloe this grieving is she technically wind.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
And she's got to be what mid early twenties.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, she's young. She's young. Yeah, I mean obviously Alex,
you know, so they're similar age. So but yeah, I
think praying on because it's a scene where he goes
to her. They have like a little off you know,
like off property kind of. It's on the property that yeah,
disconnected apartment if you like. And he goes down and
she answers and she's in underwear and sing it and

(53:39):
he's almost leaning in for the kiss and and she
shuts it down. I love the way she handles it.
She just turns away like she doesn't even address you know.
But yeah, it's a pretty it's pretty creepy.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
He is creepy and like the most outwardly kind of
selfish and like his plans to open up a nightclub,
but he's it's just like it's crazy. He's not doing
as much cocaine as William Burt's character, right, because he
seems like the most coke fueled.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah right, yeah, absolutely, And.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Yeah, she's sexualized right from the start. Her introduction is
she's like working out and she's all sweaty and like
writhing around on the floor. Yeah, and so she's kind
of like set up that way, and then you know,
no one ends up hooking up with her. But yeah,
the gold bloom lasciviousness is on full display.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
It's a wet Sam Tom Berenger, here's another actor who
you'd love to see get a renaissance.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I think I first came to Tom Beranger in Major League.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, classic, Yeah, he was good Major League definitely. What
else would he be known for? Would it just be
big chill in that?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's a bloody good question. I think it was like
pretty big around this time, even outside of the Big
Chill Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Major League.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I mean that just I wonder if it holds up.
But it's yeah, it's nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck you
Joebu all that. It's another movie that was on repeat.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yeah, made in eighty nine, six years after this. He
was in Inception I don't see which I was in
Platoon of course, so he definitely known for that.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I almost said that's the youngest I've seen him, right.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, Well, he actually looked six years older in Major
League and I guess if he's late thirties, you know,
you start aging into your forties a little bit. But
he looked quite different. I thought in Major League, like
he looked like he'd aged and that those six years.
I would have to say, yeah from my memory.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, because this, you know, he is the
Magnum p I character. Which do you think Lawrence Casten
was obviously referencing Magnum p I but in a sense
like making fun of it or is a tribute to
it or what was your angle on that.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I think it's a bit of a piss take. I
think it was. It was. It was set up to
be he was in training day as well. It was
set up to be that he, like Jeff Goldblim's character Michael,
that Sam was not doing. He was a bit embarrassed
by you know, what he was doing. He wanted maybe
he wanted to be a theater actor or something more worthy,

(56:22):
and he was in you know when they were around
watching watching it. Yeah, And I like that scene because
it kind of felt that they're pissed taking they felt
like they said, they felt like friends. And that's when
something that when she goes down, even right at the end,
and they just come out and there's no big I'm
sorry man, you know, like there's just like little touches
on the shoulder and yeah, and that's what friends do.
If you actually proper friends and you've got life history especially, yeah,

(56:46):
you know, you can move through things a bit quicker.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, I see that. And like you said,
the chemistry was definitely there between the cast, even when
they're watching the Michigan game, you know, they're all Michigan
alum from the university. And then I thought that was
like a kind of definitely some people are way more
into it than others, you know, and Jeff Goldbloom still
trying to get laid when they're watching it, you know,

(57:10):
and the woman who wants to get pregnant won't even sleep.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
With Jeff Goldblum. Yeah right, it's funny, even though it comes.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
That they had slept together in the past, but she
doesn't want him to be, you know, the absentee father
of her child.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Even so, Yeah, I think Sam as well, let's go
back to Tom barnsheit. I thought there's a version of
that character, who's like, is the asshole? Yeah, the Hollywood asshole?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:32):
And I thought he was actually quite a sympathetic character.
Really liked him.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
I think to me, his best scene was when they're
all on the couch on the final night, which was
the most compelling scene, and they're all kind of finally
being honest about their good friend's suicide, and you know
how it's affected them as, Oh, you're.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Gonna let's listened to it, so you might you should
be hosting this is happening because we all really miss him.

Speaker 6 (57:59):
And we're really I think that's a crack of shit.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I think we're afraid. Just the opposite is true.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Alex died for most of us a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I think you're a crock of shit.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Don't speak for me or anybody else here.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
You hate your life, that's your problem.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Don't tell us how we feel. Okay, that's it. That's
all I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
If I hate my life, that's my problem. Today's run
around the comfort Alex just as compassionately.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Hey, Nick, and we go back a long way, and
I'm not going to piss that.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Away because you're higher than a kite.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Wrong, A long time ago. We knew each other for
a short period. You don't know anything about me. It
was easy back then. No one ever had a cushier
birth than we did. It's not surprising our friendship could
survive that. It's only out here in the world that
it gets tough.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Nick, I don't care what you say. I know I
loved you and everybody else here, and I'll go on
believing it till I kick Yeah. I think these are
the best says yeah in the movie Do you like
there is an honesty that's going on here? It reminded
me of one of my favorite movie, Sideways, where Paul G.

(59:10):
Marty kind of says at the end, this guy who's
taken them on the you know, they've gone this journey
together for the Bucks party and it's all gone pair
shapes and he says, he's not he's not my best friend.
He's the guy I shared a room with it, you know,
at Santa Monica State or whatever college it was. And
it's interesting to hear Nick going to make that point,
which is we're not really friends. We happen to be

(59:33):
in the same classroom together or the same college together
at a certain time in history and that's you know,
I suspect it's not, and I like that Sam comes
back and says, no, that's not that's not true. It's
not true for me. You know, I love everyone in
this room, and that's what's true for him. I wonder
if if it is true for Nick. Is he just
going through a period.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
The self reflection I think with him is great because
with the others I've feel like are way more I
don't know, selfish and not actually analyzing their feelings. Glenn
Close obviously devastated by it, but I feel like the
other characters are just worried about, you know, selling the
company or getting laid or you know, just like my

(01:00:17):
husband sucks, I'm going to hook up with, you know,
an old friend. I don't know the motivations. Whereas the
fact that Tom Berenger's character and Glenn Close are the
only ones that kind of vocalize it in a way
that seems like they're grieving add way more depth to
what's going on. And like the guys I grew up with,

(01:00:39):
we would meet up once a year, so we've known
each other since we were six or seven years old
and throughout our twenties and for until people started getting
married off and having kids. We would meet up once
a year and just go on benders. Right, And we
try and do it now and there's you know, only
just a few of us still able to do it
that you know, can actually get away long enough.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
And I've always been one of the ones pushing it,
you know. But it changes, you know, it does the
group dynamic shifts, people change, the fact that you grew
up together. Obviously there's a shared history, but actually, I
don't know, when you're brought together again, it's a great

(01:01:22):
shorthand that you can just fall back into the same rhythms,
which I think this movie does well. But everyone's so
self absorbed that, you know, obviously motivations change and life
outlooks and you know, obligations whatever. So I guess that
it does do a good job of showing that people

(01:01:46):
brought together by tragedy might take it either as William
Hurt's character does Nick in a much more cynical way,
or as Tom Behringers, where he's like, nope, we're together
for life, even if we haven't seen each other for
fifteen years. Right, Yeah, So yeah, I don't know if
you felt that well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
What I I think there's what I love about this film.
I think there's a specialness to those who you share
a life experience, like the life experience of growing up,
or a certain period of time where you're still developing.
And you know, we're always still developing, obviously, but you're
going through so much. The world feels like your oyster
and you are sharing these years. There's something and people

(01:02:29):
who knew you and you knew them, and you may
know you may not know anyone else liking you those
people at that time. And then and like you said
that the shorthand is the best expression, you know, like
you had this shorthand with people. My mates are still
my inner circle from you, high school, primary school, even

(01:02:50):
kindergarten and a couple of examples. And we probably really
only see each other as a group once a year.
Now we're all in Australia. Your friends are back the state,
in the state. It but when we do it's it's great.
I'll be honest. After it's usually a long lunch into
the night. After that, I'm like, I don't need to

(01:03:11):
see for another year. There's not a part of me
that I'm like, I want to do this every week. No,
and that maybe is what keeps it special because you
all go off, and this is what the film reflects.
You do go off in your different areas. And then
that's what I say. We don't check in with them
individually or you know, but as a group. Yeah, I

(01:03:33):
feel like, you know, once a year is fine.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Okay, so that the movie does a good job of
portraying that. But maybe my problem upon first viewing is that, say,
another ensemble movie like Breakfast Club where all the characters
change by the end, does anyone change in this movie?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
It's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
I don't do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
I think like everyone's the exact same by the end.
They're like, there's no arc.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Could you argue that, Sarah and and Harold you sell
the idea that this is closure of the transgressions? Yeah,
Sarah took with Alex right. I feel like what they're
almost trying to say is this group is almost like
a marriage because they've all slept with each other at
varying times.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
If she does have a kid, she's good. That kid's
gonna have to call Kevin Kline uncle dad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
It's weird, which why hasn't there been a syncop called
uncle Dad, Chuck lorget onto that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Yeah, so yeah, I guess there's some closure there, but
I think everyone else just may and maybe that's the point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Everyone just goes on, you know what they're like, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
It's interesting when that happens, when you find a movie
where the arc is not clear and the journey's not clear,
but it's still worked. And this is, like I said,
people love this movie. When you're watching it, were you're
thinking of your dad?

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Like, yeah, I was thinking that. And the fact that
you know, obviously it does speak to hippies turning into
yuppies basically, and he that was probably his exact trajectory,
you know what I mean, Like he grew up in
that time, and again why it struck a chord with him,
and you know, I can't I'm going to see him

(01:05:10):
in a few weeks and I'll say I finally watched
The Big Chill and we could finally talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
So great.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Yeah, and knowing that he loves it, and then me,
you know, I love getting a rise out of the
old man, So I'll shit on it a little bit
to see how he responds. But I now, after talking
with you, even for the past hour about it, I
do appreciate it more. The soundtrack in Search of a

(01:05:39):
Movie that I said earlier was kind of based on
the fact that it just didn't feel satisfying as a
narrative or his story. It was just like, just say, okay,
just a glimpse into people dealing with tragedy in their
own either selfish ways or actually being more vocal about it.
And so I guess. But again, Lawrence Kasden like going

(01:06:01):
from these huge films to this, Like, I don't know
really what he did post Big Chill, but I was like,
because I knew he had done Star Wars and Anniana Jones,
which you know, defining movies, you know that, I was like,
maybe this isn't his lane.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Wait did at movie Got Grand Canyon a few years later,
and that was another big ensemble, And I have gone
vague memories about Steve Martin's and it's a big ensemble,
and that had similar vibes. Pretty I think he's got
a pretty optimistic view of the world. But yeah, I

(01:06:41):
I mean, I like a lot of this film. This film.
It's even things like there's the line that I think
Nick William Hitt's character four ss Instagram when he says
he's sick of people selling their psyche for a little
bit of attention.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Oh there is that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
I mean, that was kind of amazing that they keep
filming each there and then watching it back immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I was like, that is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Definitely a premonition of our narcissism and what's to come.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
It's so weird how that, Like in the in the meetings,
you know, when you're discussing the scripts and you're passing
it around, and I'm sure somebody would have asked, why
are they doing this? And I'll be fascinating and I
like it. Yeah, I'm not arguing against it, but I
love to know how they came to that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
It's almost like if they remade it now at twenty
twenty four, big chill, it would be they'd all be
doing selfie videos at the funeral, like, Hey, I'm just
at my buddy's funeral.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
What up? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Smash that like a subscribe button, because that's like another
form of now selfishness and narcissism and ego that that
you know is on display in this movie. Yeah, and yeah,
just the filming throughout I thought was interesting. Yeah, and
it's amazing that I guess them watching it back immediately. Yeah,

(01:07:59):
it's like, okay, they're self obsessed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Yeah, like Michael's character, who we do know is self obsessed. Yeah,
records records him chatting with Sarah Glyn close and then
they're watching about you, like, not just watching others interviews,
it's themselves. Yeah again, so I think, yeah, there is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
And a watcher back immediately you got to get the
cassette out and go to the VCR player.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah. For young listeners, you don't know what goes in
to making this this work.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
The title of the film is one of the best titles.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I never knew what the Big Chill referred to. I
thought it was an American thing, was a wind that
came through a certain time, like the Fremantle Doctor. I
think Lawrence Kasn has spoken about the big chill that
you get when you realize, you know, the warm embrace
of your your college friends no longer you know exists,
or you've moved onto adulthood.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Basically, Yeah, okay, i'd see. I didn't even realize he
had said that. I just thought it was just death.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Yeah, the Big Chill is just another way of saying yeah,
death and then yeah, I mean and then on a
much more superficial level, they all hang out for a weekend,
which is a big chill.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know it was chill used to let
that back in ninety three, probably, Yeah, but I do
like it. Certainly he's going to play a pout in
the big chill to keep chilling, still.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Chill, still chilling, chilling.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah. I do love that. There's one more gred that
I want to play again. It's in that same way
they're all they're all chatting, that's growing up listening.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Maybe that's what happened to Alex. At least we expected
something to beat others, and I think we needed.

Speaker 8 (01:09:31):
That about me getting away from you people, the best
thing ever happened to me. I mean, how much sex, fun, friendship,
and one man take.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
To get out in the world get dirty?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
No, I'll tell you. I think Sam is right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I mean there was something in me then that you know,
made me want to go to Harlem and teach those
ghetto kids.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Yes, and I was going to help the scum.

Speaker 7 (01:09:51):
That's so compassionately refer to them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Some of them are scum, some of us are scum.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Oh so, so what's thrust here? Great Venom's ship. Now,
I don't buy that that's not what we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Harold, you know that I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
I just i'd hate to think that it was all
just fashion.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
What our commitment, it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Well, you accomplish things.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
All the evidence of the contracy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
You're just taking a position.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Sometimes I think I've put that time down, pretended it
wasn't real, just so I can live with how I am.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Now, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:10:29):
Nick helped me with these bleeding hearts.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I know what do alecs would say? What what's for dessert? There?
It is the great life of Meg Tilly playing Chloe.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
I just realized everything she says could be filtered through Okay, boomer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Right, Well that's what I mean early about It's just
it's one of the handy thing is it's it's a
generation judging another generation. I think it's such a great
device because there's obviously a version of this movie where
Alex was going out with a woman of the same age,
and that's a different thing. But the fact that she

(01:11:13):
is younger, of a different generation is great. I think
there is something there. Don't have been people in their twenties
who love this movie when it came out even maybe
like teenagers, and there's something kind of weirdly even though
they're kind of going through this period of grief and
it's a little bit fucked up, but there's something aspirational
about it, even if it's justesthetically about dancing with your
friends in a kitchen while you're having dinner parties. Yeah,

(01:11:33):
is something that I'm sure a lot of people just
hooked into that as much as they did.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Yeah, some of the grimmer stuff, oh yeah, definitely. And
I mean you need that levity for a film that's
essentially about a good friend committing suicide. Yeah, right, And
so yeah, those scenes, like I said, the Tonal chefs
a bit daring for me, but I think it's yea
necessary in a movie. If it was just like seven
friends sitting around crying the whole time, you'd be like,

(01:11:57):
I can't watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
There's some really funny moments played, some of them in
the car and at the funeral. Some of the dialogue
is almost sulken Esque in a way when it's really
popping during those lands rooms.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Yeah, they make Tom Berringer look like a bit of
an idiot when she's like I wanna I want you
to father my child because you have good jeans, and
then he stares at.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Him for a few seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I reckon that one might have been, let's just try this,
and he's really okay, we won't use it, but okay,
I'll give you what you want. I'm not going to
be difficult. Tom Burrow actually end up buying property in
the area because he loved the area so much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yeah, it's no South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mentioned earlier that Glenn Close was
the only actor who got nominated. Should anyone else been nominated?

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Kevin Caster, the way they dressed his body, you know,
for the for the funeral.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Jonathan cast was very good in the bath. He's performance
of Dvid and I was a bull from very good. Yeah.
It bookands with that as well. Yeah, at the final song,
here's the actual version of David, I was a booth true. Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
It comes full circle to me. The I mean, she
does definitely get the medias things with the crying in
the shower, and as she also gets the polar opposite
of that moment where she's high on coke and like
rambling in the bed about selling the business. Yeah, that's
another thing I did like about this movie and might

(01:13:30):
have been groundbreaking at the time. Is recreational drug use
and not shown as as vilified or like whoever's doing
drugs is like, you know, gonna end up a junkie,
just like hanging out and doing drugs. Yeah, like pre
nineteen eighty three, was that in any.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Other movies, you know, not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Because when they when William hurt is driving up in
the car and he's popping kayludes, I was like, Oh,
he's gonna and there's gonna be an intervention thing. But
there never is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
They're not.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
They're always like can I get a lude or you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Donk go to the areas? Like I said that the
Vietnam veteran thing isn't really you know, played, His drug
use isn't played. It is this all Yeah, it's all fun.
And I think you know, Alex, we spoke about it,
I know, earlier, but I think they it's at the
right tone, you know, like he's a friend, Yes it was,
it's been fifteen years or whatever. So I feel like

(01:14:20):
that allows them to have this humor that runs throughout
it and for some of them to be more upset
than others, even though it's sad. Nobody's denying that, but
you know, some have moved on more than others. And
obviously Alex sorry Glenn closest character, Sarah is the most
effective because they did have a relationship, yeah, not that long,
you know ago.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
So I would say William Hurt's character, I think, so, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I think that's the most I don't think it's Kevin
Klein one, because he accidently keeps out a little bit.
There's where I thought, Oh, is he sudden? Yeah? And
Jeff Goldbloom probably not. He's good, he's good. He's Jeff
Goblin and being great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Yeah. And like I said, but I think William Hit.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And like I said, what really didn't
work for me was the other two female characters, Karen
and Meg Meg who one just wants to get pregnant
and the other one just as in a happy marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
It just seemed a little one note.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
The Karen character felt very like she was in a
soaper opera. Yeah, delivery of some of the lines felt
a bit soapy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Yeah, definitely. And Tom Berringer's character is just like, okay,
all right, whatever. He was kind of like brushing her
off and then you know, then they're hooking up at
the end. I don't know that just didn't hit, but yeah,
I definitely William Hurt probably delivers the second best performance,
if not the best performance.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah. I think it's as strongest Glen closest performance. And
a special shout out to make Tilly, who I thought
was awesome and I really haven't seen her in much
at all after that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
I think she was in the Bride of Chucky with
Jennifer Tilly, right, yeah, yeah, so she got her sister
on board for a modern classic.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
And then Jennifer til Griva. Actors often have I've had
actors speak about having the nemesis, the acting nemesis. So
it's quite possible that that make Tilly's acting nemesis is
actually he's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
A gentlemen, Right, who's your stand up nemesis?

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Here we go, here's the real, the real shit people
want to hear. Oh yeah, mine too, he said, one
of the worst dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Yeah, I'm the shore. I mean I probably do have one.
I wait that three year. I'll come back with an
anton next week.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
So the thing that I've been thinking about it since
you said it that it is a fifteen year gap
and then like some people are just a place in
a time, Like they went to the University of Michigan for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Four years together.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Right, Like we have buddies we've known since we were kids.
There's a shared history there. But people you just knew
for four years that were just in the same proximity
as you, and then you haven't seen one of them
in fifteen years, Like you wouldn't invite that dude to
your wedding.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
No, it is, I think it is. There's something about
when you if you would lose somebody from that period,
that golden period of your life that is just been embalmed,
and and that's when you think about your life, that's
almost a period where you might think that was my
happiest I think when Close says, you know, I was
the best version of myself with with with you guys.

(01:17:25):
So there's a an idealistic, you know, utopia about that time.
And it's like I have it with my my friends
that I went to school with. I also have it
with my generation of stand ups that kind of came
through together. You know, your Hughes and Rove and will
and and and you know quite a few others. We
know there's a time that we went through something together.

(01:17:46):
We're starting out. They were a college, we were starting
stand up. A lot of us had come from different
parts of the country, not me hang around in Melbourne.
But yeah, it was exciting and that felt like and
I still have you know, know that you when you started,
you have your your call. Yeah, like fact, you're going
to open nights together. You're not sure if you can

(01:18:06):
actually do it yet, yeah, you know, and and and
you're excited to talk about material and then you know
and and and speak to somebody who you know you
may have seen around the traps, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
So oh yeah, you see like Facebook memories come up
and there's a picture of like you doing stand up
when you first started, and you're like, holy shit, the
different trajectories we've been on, right, Yeah, Like that guy
is like super famous and crushing it in the States,
that guy is now a lady.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
That guy got me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Too, you know what I mean. You're like, holy shit,
it's so bizarre. But there is still a connection that
you know, like, yeah, you come up in a time
and a place and when you start stand up, I
feel like it's such a intense, you know, passionate thing
that Yeah, there's a connection there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Well, so I think stand up even more so when
you go to college, you know, you if you do
the work, you should be able to you know, if
you choose to make it living out of it. Stand up,
we're all starting not knowing if we could do it,
you know, to begin with. And what I love about
stand up, and I think why stand ups get, you know,
become very close, is because we all started. Every stand

(01:19:13):
up comedian started the exact same way, which is walking
to a microphone in a bar somewhere, not knowing if
they could do it. There's no other way you can start.
Jerry Seinfeld did that, Mike Alsten did that, Pet Hally
did that. Every I'm still doing it. Yeah, no, you know,
I think you've passed now. I think you can go
to the next level.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Mike, Oh dude, I'm gonna open mic material going what
has happened?

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Oh no, But you know you are right when you're
when you're building a new show where people say, is
it hard to be a stand up I'm like, well no,
you know, like you do it for long enough, but
then when you're going out to do maybe ten fifteen,
twenty minutes a new for a new show that you
want to test that material and they might be in
front of thirty people. You know, He's like, this is
hard man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
I should tell you you were actually a formative presence
in my early stand up because uh, it probably went
through agents and stuff. But I was your support act
in Perth at the Astro Theater in like two thousand, two.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was my first theater gig
and I think I was just doing like a seven
minute spot, which for me was a stretch at the time,
and I was so fucking nervous, right, like lost sleep
the night before, like almost over rehearsed my seven minutes
and the gigs went great. I think we did two shows,
but yeah, first ever theater gig, and I was, yeah,

(01:20:30):
so I don't know if you knew that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
That was not I wouldn't have remember that, but now
you say it, yeah, I'm like, cause I remember. We
haven't hung out a whole bunch, but I when we
kind of you spend a bit more time together a
couple of years ago, there was a familiarity about you.
I was like, yeah, it's kind before that those would
go gigs and yeah, sorry about you. Know, like John
into your head before the gig and this dude, it

(01:20:53):
was crazy, fuck me so much, don't fuck me up.
I gotta go on off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
You said it and you just go.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Don't talk about sex or do any swear words because
that's all my act is. And you said I don't
want you to step on my toes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I did that. Or Rob Schneider did say that to
me though, Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
I opened for him and he didn't want anything filthy,
and I thought it was because the whole show was
going to be clean, but it's because he didn't want
me to fuck up his TV.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
I don't often have supports, but it is interesting when
you it's something that you wouldn't mind knowing. Yeah, but
it shouldn't be on the night thing. It should be like,
you know, well before well before you know, if you
can stay away from these topics, and it could usually
would be in my instance, it would be, yeah, I'm
going to cover these topics, yeah before if possible that

(01:21:45):
you don't go in these areas.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Yeah. But the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Yeah, yeah, relationships, the difference being you want out and
crushed and Rob Schneider started bombing and the Perth crowd
a heckled you can do it at him for about
thirty minutes until he lost his mind, which was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Amazing, amazing. Happy Gilmore too on its way. Yeah that's happening, Yeah,
Mike gold Scene. This podcast comes with homework. You've watched
A Big Chill twice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
I watched it twice.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
That is commitment to the cause. You don't quite make
the Jane Kennedy club of watching the Lord of the
Rings trilogy a director's cut eleven and a half hours
of prep Jane did for this podcast. We're only gonna
discuss the first film, but she went out, I'm gonna
watch him watch them all. But I do appreciate it. Mate.
We got to hang out on the hundred recently, which

(01:22:39):
would be an episode which I believe we'll go to
air next season. Yeah, which that was a lot of fun.
You are killing it on that with Andy, Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
It was great to have you on like that was
just I love it when it's all comics on the
panel and then because it's just bouncing off each other
and riffing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah, that's what it should be. You know, we'll see
how they added it, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
It's such a fun show a format that I think
Andy helped the eyes and it's likely another local great
UZI format.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
And somehow you got out of a theme episode because
the one we recorded straight after was Hughsey dress as
a dog and he dress as a giant chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
That was so funny to see. And you show me
the costumes. Oh no, they've really gone for it. It's
not your some kind of mascot for his department store.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
And for some reason Andy was just dressed like in
a Safari outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
I was like, are you are you hunting us? What is?
I don't get the what? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
All that is to be seene And you have your podcast,
your podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I have a podcast called the Phone Hacks podcast where
we get comedians on and we all swap phones and
go through notes, draft to tweets, camera roll or search history.
You've been the target of hacks I got.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
I got a message yeah from Damien Powell.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Yeah, which was like sexy Shrek.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Is like a completely ripped Shrek and the same thing like, hey,
how's he saying?

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
And to be honest, you saw through us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
I saw. I'm like, you know, there's some kind of
podcasting going on here or there's some, there's some. It's
too weird that Damien Power has sent me this I
do have We'll get messages and gonna go yeah, this
is this is part of a radio stunt or suspect.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I think anyone who's done radio sees right through our
So yeah, we do hacks at the end, not necessarily
every episode. And that was damn he had sexy Shrek
to But if you want to get on and then
you'll send like a sexy Shrek back to Damno.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Although would be sweet, you might see through it. You
may have forgotten. Yeah, Damien, he lives a life.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
He does.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Mate, thank you so much. We'll see you on one
hundred phone Hack the podcast. Check it out, mate, thanks
for joining us, thanks for having me, and we'll see
you for Big che The Big Chill Too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Still Chilling, Still Chilling.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
The Way to from a Tree.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
There it is the Big Chill, looking forward to The
Big Chill Too, Still Chilling. Mike Goldseen is working on
the script as we speak. That was a lot of fun.
I think they're some of my favorite episodes when the
guest is a little unsure or a bit apathetic about

(01:25:23):
what they thought of the film, but then slowly comes around,
and that's I think the power of being able to
chat about a movie after we see it so many
times these days, with so much content, and we went
through movies and TV series and don't often have the
chance to reflect on them. And it's not the first

(01:25:44):
time somebody's coming to the U ain't see nothing yet
studios and being a bit lukewarm about a movie, but
has then grown as the conversation has gone on, and
I love it and I really look forward to I
was chatting to Mike a little bit off air when
he does speak with his dad, to know how that
conversation goes, what his dad thinks, his opinion of the movie.

(01:26:04):
The movie is both its strengths and weaknesses all am
I being a fly on the wall of that conversation.
Thanks Mike. Check him out one hundred and his Phone
Hacks podcast. You can support this podcast, which comes to
you free. You don't pay a dollar for it or
even a cent by going to iTunes and leaving a rating.
I recommend five stars and a little review. It'll be
lovely if you did. That just keeps the algorithm moving

(01:26:28):
in the right direction. It just helps get the word out.
Of course, you can do that by telling people about
it as well. That's the old fashioned way. You can
still do that, believe it or not. And you can
contact us by getting on our email at Yasney Podcasts
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(01:26:49):
and leave a message maybe about a guest that we've
had on, a film we've had on, or maybe you
want to request a guest or a film that would
be That would be lovely, and we've had some lovely
feedback recently, so keep them coming next week on you
Ain't Seen Nothing yet another comedian. We love our comedians here.
We're largely comedy based as far as our guests go,

(01:27:13):
like we get a little bit of a different site
to them sometimes as well, not exclusively. We've had wonderful
actors come through here and musicians, but we haven't a
comedian coming through who I have really enjoyed watching over
the last more than five years, getting closer to ten years.
Ben Coschen will be in the studio. Ben is the

(01:27:35):
partner of Concertta Christa who I did Task Master with recently,
and I only mentioned that because it came up in
that episode. Ben's his own man, you know. But Concetta
did mention that he doesn't particularly like old movies, and
it made me think, what does constitute an old movie?
When is a movie considered old? And I obviously have

(01:27:56):
quite a few years on Ben, So the movies that
I watched, as you know, growing up, they're leaving their
own little time capsule, and I don't think of them
as old. So when a movie from like nine to
eighty seven, is that an old movie? I mean, technically, yeah,
it's like thirty five years, thirty seven years old or something.
If I was in nine and eighty seven as a

(01:28:17):
twelve ye old watching a thirty seven year old movie, yeah,
that would be old. There'll be an old movie that
meant it would have been made like in the fifties
or something. So yeah, it took me a while to
get my head around the fact that Ben thought the
movie I was pitching was in fact an old movie,
because I was thinking, like, let's go black and white,
let's go on the waterfront. Maybe, but we're not doing that,
We're doing a classic movie. That's important, I think because

(01:28:37):
it's a movie that announced the silver screen arrival of
one of the greatest comedic talents of our times. It's
Robin Williams, and he'd done the TV and he stand
up TV with Walker Mindy, but he really arrived on
the silver screen when he made Good Morning Vietnam. It's
a movie that I love. I've watched this many times.

(01:29:00):
Bruno Kirby is fantastic in this movie. The whole cast
is fantastic. Forest Whitaker is brilliant. Yeah, there's a lot
going on in this movie, a lot to talk about.
Looking forward to Ben to watch it and we can
be this so kin the genius that was Robin Williams.
Next week on. You ain't seen nothing yet until then,
back and out. And so we leave Old Pete save

(01:29:30):
fan Sult, and to our friends of the radio audience,
we've been a pleasant, good day.

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