REPETE: Tony Martin and Top Gun

Comedian Tony Martin has never seen the Tom Cruise 1986 classic Top Gun.. until now!

Uber film geek Tony Martin sits down with Pete to chat about Maverick's serendipitous name, having deep and meaningful conversations in your underwear & who exactly that miscellaneous enemy was at the end of the movie. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good Apeter Hally here, Welcome to You, and Seeing Nothing
Yet the movie podcast, where I chat to a movie
lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite
got around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian
Tony Martin.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, Christmas isn't just today, It's a frame of mine.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh oh, sounds like someone needs to singer Christmas, Carol.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Very Christmas.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You're fealthy animals.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It wouldn't happening right, See nothing.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
New quite simply think Tony Martin is one of the
most revered comedians in Australia. There wouldn't be many of
us who wouldn't consider Tony either an influence or an

(01:08):
inspiration from the d Generation to the Late Show for
Martin Maloy to get this. Tony is an author, a
stand up comedian, a podcaster. His series Sizzletown is Magnificent.
Tony also wrote and directed two thousand and three is
Hilarious movie Bad Eggs. The amazing thing about Tony is
how prolific he is, but how he keeps his bar

(01:30):
always very high.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Tony Martin, Hello everyone, I'm Tony Martin. Three of my
favorite films would be This is Spinal Tax.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's a fine line between stupid and clever.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Turn about singing in the rain.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
This California Do is just a little heavier than usual.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Tonight really and Midnight run.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
These sunglasses, they're really nice. Are the government issue that
all you guys got like to the re stored again.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
But up until three nights ago, I had never seen
Top Gun.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's noisy, it's bombastic, it's patriotic, and featuring Tom Cruise.
Top Gun may just be the most American film of
all time. The US Navy's Top Fighter pilots had the
San Diego to play beach volleyball, hang out in their underwear,
and played tonsil hockey with their teachers. Will Maverick and
Goose take out the Top Gun title and live to

(02:41):
tell the story. Let's find out if Tony Marttin felt
the need the need for speed?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Peter, can I just ask it? People have been coming
on this podcast. Do they generally like the film they
haven't seen?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
There's been a couple, there's been Rachel cor but did
not necessarily love Castaway. Matt Preston had in a bit
of an ishie some issues with Get Out. Oh good,
So I'm sending I'm sending a vibe.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, I went down the list of films that other
people have done, and it's like, it's all my favorite films.
It's Apocalypse, Now, The Godfather with Nila and I, Heat
Star Wars, Jaws, and then I've realized I've seen all those.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
The idea is you have to see a film you
haven't seen. And if I haven't seen a film, it's
usually because I know I'm not gonna like it. And
I was proved correct here and I'm sorry. I know
this is a celebration of cinema, and I know some
people have maybe clicked on this and gone it'll be
an affectionate reminisce of one of my favorite films. And
I'm gonna have to be the bad guy in this one.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm afraid you are the villain. You are the Iceman, my.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
God, the Iceman. Every time I saw Val Kilma, I
kept thinking, I wish I was watching Top Secret and
not Top Gun. I wish Nick Rivers would come out
and do a number.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Top Secret was his very debut film.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I love Top Secret.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
It's such a good I prefer that over the Flying High.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, I'm from New Zealand, we call it airplane.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
You got the airplane, which is the American.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It was only in Australia it was called Flying High.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I'm always curious as to why those decisions get made.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, it's often. I actually someone told me with Airplane
it was because they were worried that Australians would confuse
it with one of the airport movies that it was
setting up. And you go, well, it wasn't a problem
in America. They often do change the name, like I
remember Harry and the Hendersons became Bigfoot and the Henderson's

(04:43):
for Australia. Yes, Howard the Duck. I have a lot
of these in my brain. Howard the Duck. Though it
was such a disaster, they called it Howard dot dot
dot a new kind of Hero. And then he was
only in silhouette, but it clearly a duck, like it
was a duck shaped silhouette. There was no disguising that

(05:05):
Howard the New kind of Hero was a duck, sorry,
a new breed of hero.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, I mean the other going the other way. Mad Max,
of course was became road Warrior.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
The second one became Robot. Was that last one was
mad still Mad Max? Right? The second one was just
called the Road Warrior. But with the first one, didn't
they redouble the voices because no one could understand. I
would love to hear that version.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
That would be amazing. Who I wonder who would play
in the early eighties, who would play Max?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Sorry? Planes going overhead? I think, are we under the
fly recording this podcast? I didn't think so this could
be we may have to interrupt the iceman buzzing us.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's requested a fly by Derek. Did you get it?
They didn't get it. There was no request made. My
copy copies have lids on them, thank god.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh good exactly. I'm jumping all around here because I've
had a couple of coffees. That bloke who kept spilling
his coffee. That was my favorite part of the film
because I kept thinking, if this was a Zucker Brothers
airplane style parody, and there was one, wasn't there hot
hot shots? Ye? They would just have that guy spilling

(06:20):
his coffee in every seed. That was one of the
few bits I enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, let's come back to Top Gun because obviously there's
a lot, or maybe very little to discuss, but your
three favorite films, some classic films. Let's start with Spinal Tap.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, well, Spiral Tap is. I mean, it's sort of
maybe lost its power a little bit because everyone knows
every bit of it. But I'm old enough to remember
when it first came out, and there had never been
a fake documentary. There had been. I think Woody Allen's
Take the Money and Run is maybe the first movie

(06:55):
that presents itself as a documentary, as a fake documentary,
but it's clearly a comedy sketch. But the acting in
Spinal Tap is because his improvise is so realistic. I
remember people, and this has become a cliche to say this,
but I saw it at Brisbane University in eighty five,
I think, and I remember people coming out confused and

(07:19):
I heard a woman go, why would they make a
film about such a mediocre band? And because the acting
was so naturalistic, it wasn't like The Rattles where it's
clearly scripted. Yes, people just hadn't seen a fake documentary
that was realistic before. And then you're going, but the
drummers were exploding. That's the one thing in that film

(07:39):
that like Zucker Brothers style, but everything else is realistic.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, Dumpy's replacement Peter James Barne. He also died in
mysterious circumstances. We were playing a festival, jazz blues festival
when that blues jazz, really blues jazz festival.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
It was in the Isle of Lucy and it was
tragic really he exploded on stage.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
So yeah, that blew me. I mean it was. It's
funny when you watch spinal Tap now, it's like you're
watching the best of spinal Tap, because every bit of
it is a classic bit.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Have you listened to the DVD commentary oh with them
as the band? Yeah, yeah, and that's pointing out all
the extodrast who had been now.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah exactly and claiming they were tricked. They've only used
all the bad stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I mean, it's hard to imagine a comedy or think
of a comedy that's had more of an influence if
you think now, obviously Christopher Guests well sorry, I mean
Christopher Guess was was, you know, but he went under
make all these great films with Waiting for Guffman and
Best in Show. But obviously Ricky Gervais with the Office,
which is the UK and the US version, maybe the

(08:47):
biggest sitcoms of recent times wouldn't exist. I don't think
without spinal tap.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, the fake docco sort of thing. The and the office.
The office though had a new What I loved about
the offices. Remember they would have scenes where they didn't
know they were being filmed and they would be slightly different.
Yeah right, yeah, the anting was slightly yeah yeah, but
spinal tap is Yeah, there's another cliches every band, like

(09:14):
when we were doing Martin Molloy, literally every musician who
came in, we go, what do you think of spinal tap?
And they their faces would fall. I remember Status Quo going,
it's just a documentary about us, and every band didn't
matter who it was, somehow thought that it was about them.
And I remember we had Harry Sheer on the show
we go who is it about? And he said that

(09:35):
he in research for it, had gone on tour with
a band called Saxon Heavy Metal Man. I don't even
remember Saxon, So there's an element of that. And Christopher Guest,
I think, is clearly playing Jeff Beck, the guitarist. It's
pretty much an impression of him.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I have a similar story Tony. I played a character
called Strawny for and I was invited to play at
the mcg for a charity cricket match actually for the
Shane Warn Foundation, and I found and a few people
came up to me, and because the crickets spent a
lot of time overseas, so they went really some of
them weren't as a cross drawing and some of the others.

(10:11):
So a lot of them thought I was just taking
the piece out of Warning, and a few I came
out here came up to me and it's just like
you're taking a piece out of warning and its warning.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
To this moment, I never realized that it rhymed. It
was it partly that it was.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
A complete coincidence. So and I found out later that
Warning had kind of like maybe had thought it was
based on him, and it was just it was a coincidence.
Somebody else came up with the name. Paul Collegia came
up with the name, the initial idea of doing it,
and and it was a complete coincidence. And it was
more based on a Big Brother contestant, not a specific

(10:46):
Big Brother contestant, but the idea if a Big Brother contestant,
you know, got drafted into the AFL, he'd be more
obsessed with the fame than he actually would be doing
the work. So yeah, I know how Harry Sheier feels.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I love the fact that no one can spell Strawny,
and I've always felt that that was you taking the
pins out of how no one can spell your name.
To this day, still see Hellier spelled incorrectly.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
It is I've been to a venue where I'm performing
to a thousand people and my name is misspelled at
the front. Really yeah, wow, It's just if I get
an email requested me to do something now and my
name is incorrectly, I don't, I don't do it.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Well. We I talked about this many times, but I
worked with Sado Claro for years, and when you work
in radio, you get sent invitations to things, and he
had a wall of misspellings of his name over five years.
It was just wallpaper. Our favorite was Snatto Goro. To
this day, if I have to introduce him on a

(11:47):
radio show, I'll bring him on as Snatto Goo.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Singing in the Rain I saw. I saw this when
I was very young, and I don't have the you know,
the muscle memory call back, particularly to their Singing in
the Rain. But what does it mean to you?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's a musical and it's full of amazing dance numbers,
tap dancing numbers with Gene Kelly and everyone knows make
them laugh. But what makes it still work is it's
the comedy. And it works because it's about a weirdly
specific thing, which is the transition from silent movies to

(12:22):
sound movies. Like even then, it must have been a
weirdly specific thing to do a big budget Hollywood film about.
And so it's about how these I mean, if you
know anything about that era, there were all these huge
movie stars who when sound came in, suddenly we're out
of work because they had terrible voices. And so that's
what this is about. And for the first couple of

(12:43):
years of sound cinema, they didn't have the boom microphone.
They would have the microphone would be enormous and would
be hidden inside a vase of flowers. Everyone would have
to go and stand and sort of lean suspiciously towards
a vase of flowers in order to be recorded. And
all of these weird quirks of that are in the film.

(13:05):
And so it's really modern. So the comedy of Singing
in the Rain is still really modern. It's like a
it's like a Larry Sanders Show almost from nineteen fifty
two or whenever.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I'll have to be really great, I'll have to revisit that.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
The problem is people I think, no, they just think, oh,
it's a shitty old musical. And I remember they did
a stage show of it a couple of years ago
in Melbourne and we had the guy I was doing
Nova Breakfast and we had the guy who was the
lead who was who is he? The guy from Bootman
and Coyote Ugly And so he comes on the show

(13:41):
and I told him a story that Ross Noble had
told me, Am, I getting too far off.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
The traw r. No, No, this is what is part
of the all about it, and we've only got top
gunder this.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Gus Well, there was this yeah, if we can stave
that off as long as possible, Peter. But there was
a stage musical of Singing in the Rain and it
was done in the West End of London, and obviously
it had to rain on stage, so they had a
giant tank of water over the stage and then it
would rain down and then it would drain away and
then fill up again at the top. Ross Noble told

(14:11):
me that the actor who was the lead in the
West End was so hated by everyone in acting in
London that every night actors from all over the West
End would come to piss in the rain tank. Really
famous nights would be climbing up into the top of

(14:33):
the theater to take a piece in the rain tank.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
So it was Dame Judy Dan.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
She had a crack. And I was telling this to
this guy, Adam Garcia, who was coming on to Melbourt,
and you could just see his face going, who have
I offended? And he was genuinely shaken.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I love the idea of that being in his head.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
In everyman, What a glorious feeling I'm carving in, What
a wonderful and warm feeling.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Midnight Run. For some reason, I I'm aware that you
love me Night Run, and I'm not surprised at this sta.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
The reason I always bring it up is that back
in the era of video shops, because I was known
from the radio as being a film nerd if I
was ever in a video shop, like on a Friday
or Saturday night, I would every time be approached by people,
what should we get? We can't find anything. All the
new all the cards are in the new releases that
they want you know, not available, and my go to

(15:37):
was always Midnight Run because it's a film, possibly just
because of the blandness of its name, A lot of
people haven't seen it. It wasn't a huge hit when
it came out, but it is. It's my most fail
safe film in that I've never met anyone who doesn't
like it.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
It just works every time.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
It's de Niro and Charles g Yeah, it's it's it's
it's it's funny, isn't it Well? And I've never thought
of it like that, but maybe that the name just
kind of got lost. I mean, it's got Robert de
Niro in it.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, people they're not sure if they've seen it or not.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I wonder why do you get confused with Midnight
Cowboy or Midnight Express not expressed.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's dangerous. It's not a fun Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Come on kids. Tony Martin recommended.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
He says it's hilarious. Oh dear, what did what.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Did growing up in New Zealand? What did the movies
mean to you? Did you you know? Did you were
you were?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
You know?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I imagine you went a lot.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Oh yeah, it was this. It was all about the
Saturday matinee one thirty. You would just go every week,
no matter what was on. And I was trying to
remember recently what the first Do you remember what the
first film you saw?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, the Pirate Movie really.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
The Australian Christopher and Chrissy McNichol.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yes, that's right, And I saw it at Greensboro twin
and I remember mostly because I got they used to
do the tie in at the candy store, the tie in,
you know, promotions and a candy treasure treasure chest. I
remember that as much as I remember the movie. I
have seen it since it's not great.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
It's not great.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Let Nickki Brittain came in and highlighted it is one
of her favorite films.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Pardon me, I think we wanted. I didn't see it,
but I remember being excited by it coming out because
Norman Gunston was in Norman he was in there. But
the first film I saw was it was a compilation
movie of Charlie Chaplin shorts. My grandmother took me to that,
so it wasn't a proper film, but it was amazing
because we didn't even have TV at that point, so

(17:46):
it is weird to see a movie having never seen TV. Wow, Like,
it's just the first images. The cutting is confusing, you
know what I mean, it's going to a different angle
and I'm like four seeing that. But the first proper
film I saw it, This is insane that we were
taken to. This was Fantastic Voyage. Do you remember that.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
No.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Fantastic Voyage is a science fiction movie from the mid
sixties where a whole lot of scientists are shrunk down
to microscopic level and put into a spaceship which is
injected into the blood stream of diplomat who's about to
die so they can destroy all the cancer cells that

(18:28):
are going to kill him. So this is the plot
of the film. People are shrunk down and injected into
someone in a tiny spaceship and so they're battling red
blood cells and antibodies and stuff like that. So that
is like and it's kaleidoscopic and sixties good. It was amazing.
I was terrified by it. I'm going on, what if

(18:48):
we all got shrunk down?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
What would the cat do?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But what I always remember is we would suit with
my uncle and one of the people who's shrunk down
is rack El Well you know who that is. Yes,
it was the actress famous for having large breasts. I
remember Michaelekay, Well she's been shucked down to microscopic size,
but there's still bloody here. That was. That was a
big joke at our house for many years. But yeah,

(19:15):
fantastic voyage. I got it recently on Blu Ray, and
of course it's nowhere as impressive as it seemed what
I was four.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Sometimes I get the impression some movies are only released
on Blue Ray. For Tony Martin, We're still there's still
some of them saying you there. I still got to
I realized recently I still have a VHS player I was.
I'm told they're very hard to come by. I imagine
it's probably worth quite a bit. It's weird. Now they'll
come back into vogue. My kids have asked for record

(19:42):
players for Christmas. In my eighteen and sixteen year old
there as for a record players. So when we was
buying them records, which I'm not sure if they know
how annoying records. Yeah, I mean I do love records,
and I've come and gotten back back into them. But
when you have to get up every sixteen minutes, yeah,
change our sides.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know who thought we would long enough to see
the record section be larger than the CD section at
JBHI five.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
That is that is incredible. Often in this podcast has
come up where people's favorite films are often the films
they taped off the TV I had on VHS? Was
that like a large part, you know, a large thing?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I think, so I remember, yeah, I remember VHS coming in.
And I actually worked at a at an army surplus
store that had a what do you call it home
appliance department, and they had the first VHS machines, and
this is like nineteen eighty one, and what I would
do is I would tape there was a sketch comedy

(20:43):
show called Not the Nine o'clock News with Rowan Atkinson,
and I would set the machine in the window of
the shop to tape it, and then I would get
in early the next morning, like at six in the
morning and set up a second VHS player and record
the sketches over onto a compilation tape. I was making

(21:03):
over several months of just the good sketches from that show,
and you'd have to pause, like if I don't know
if anyone would even remember doing this making compilation tapes.
So the VHS was like, yes, you have to. There
was an art to it because depending on how far
into the tape you were, you would have to hit
pause earlier yes or unpaused to make the edits seamless.

(21:26):
This is such a nerdic diversion. Pardon me, my my.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
We went to a market, the bunder or Weather market
at near where I lived, and it was my brother's
my brother's friend's birthday. My brother's four years older than me,
and and my brother wasn't there. The mom said they
had all these pirated tapes, cassette tapes, right, and one
of them was Jimmy Barnes's freight Train hert and my
mum saw it and it was like like three bucks

(21:50):
back then, you know, you probably would have been twelve bucks,
but it was like three or five bucks. So I said,
I get going to get that, and then so she
got so she we bought it. But and then she goes,
it's Mark, my brother's birthday coming up. Why don't you
tape it the freight train heart and we'll give it
to Mark for his birthday as well. These are before

(22:11):
the double deckings, so I actually had to play like
get two stereos in the room, like two ghetto blasters
in the room play Jimmy Barnes Freight Train hard on
one and then this record on another. On the atmosphere
around it, Dad was mowing the lawns.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
An answer birthday present. Wow, it would be great to
hear that though.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I would love to have that.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
You should send it to Jimmy Bark send it to him.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Where did you're telling that story? And you are very
you are across that that. You know, you love compiling
sketches and producing sketches, put them together and you and
you work with the one for Matt Down's like, where
did that love come from?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Sketch? Well, I was just a mad It's funny because
sketch comedy goes in and out of fashion. I mean
you were in issue was the one you get Skihouse
and that was part of a remember there was like
they were all chance.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
The sketch wars. Yeah, for some reason, all the networks
the start of the do sketch comedy at the same time,
which is a bit weird. That's Big Bite, Big Bite
and Comedy, inc.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
And then and then it goes away for teen years
and then it comes back. It was open Slaver and
I don't know how successful that was, but that seems
to have been the end except for black comedy. I
guess there's just not a lot of straight up sketch
comedy in It's right, yeah, and it goes out of fashion.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
It feels like it's it's heading in a you know,
in a new direction, which I think is a positive
direction in the way like Arnie Donna is yeah exactly,
you know, is just killing it and comedy bang bang
and that stuff. So yeah, it's all good. Now, all right,
let's let's let's just compose ourselves, right we might we
might take a word from our sponsor and come back

(23:49):
and get into mav and goose. All right, Tony, Uh,
what what did you know of Top Gun going in?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I knew about the soundtrack album. I remember that a
lot of people seem to have that. I knew there
would be planes and warfare, and I remember being confused
about what war was taking place. And that's one of
the I think one of the worst aspects of the film.
And the Enemy is just this ill defined. It's a
very patriotic American film, but they don't have the guts

(24:22):
to name the enemy they're taking on, or even show them.
So there's some meg fighters at the beginning, but then
it's never said what country they're from.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
It was Cannaba that you passed.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And then at the end they're shooting them down like
and then but you don't even see the pilots of
the other play. It's very strange.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
It is extremely strange all of a sudden and like
just off the coast of San Diego. I mean, they're
so he's America being invaded. Like it's even the fact
that there's there's danger so close to the United States.
They don't seem to even pumped that up as a
like this is no.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's sort of plotless. It's strangely plotless for an action film.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well, apparently they went in with quite a skeletal script.
There's a lot of things that they kind of were
working out as they were going going along. They famously
had to come back. They did the test audiences, and
they wanted more sex and more more I've seen the pecks.

(25:28):
They came back and they re shot the sex scene,
the silhouetted sex scene, and the reason and the and
the scene in the elevator.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Which where her here is a different color. Even though
it was sort of under a baseball cat.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
That's because you were shooting a different movie. And Tom
Cruise's hair he was shooting Color of Money, so his
hair is longer in that scene, and then it's in
silhouette because they were hiding those those things. Right.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
But you asked, what do I know of this film
before I saw it? I have. I just remembered I
actually knew this film largely through that famous scene with
Quentin Tarantino. Do you know this scene? It'll be on
YouTube's in Sleep with Her, Yes, Sleep with Me, Sleep
with Me with Eric Stoltz. No one remembers that, NOILM.

(26:12):
They just remember this scene that goes through about three
minutes where a pretty kind of is it illegal for
me to say? Coked up seeming Quentin Tarantino is at
a party and he's too he's actually talking to the
bloke who directed that film in the bedroom. There's a
trivia nerd moment and he's just giving his theory of

(26:33):
the film top Gun, which he claims is a homo
erotic text. And I have to say the film pretty
much backs him up. I will say, all the volleyballs
and how many scenes is Tom Cruise in his underpants?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, scene. The scene that really got me was when
when Viper's telling Maverick that, you know, like Goose's dad
and consoling him, he's in his undies exactly. I think
I've got that scene ready to go. Let's have let's
listen to this. Mhm.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
All right, Ghosts is dead five jets long enough, something
like this happens.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Here's my real, my responsibility.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
My squad in Vietnam we lost eight of eighteen aircraft.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Ten men.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
First want dies, you die too, but there will be others.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
You can count at it.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
You gotta let him go.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You gotta let him go, just to remind of Tom
Craizers and he's underway for that, and he's.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
There's very little chemistry between him and Viper and knowing
Kelly bigill My girlfriend was watching a bit of it. Mean,
she just at one point said, it's like she's his mum. Yeah,
he's so baby faced and young.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well interesting. On set, Kelly McGillis ended up hooking up
with the pilot who played or the actor who played
Wolfman r. Tom Chugg or something his name is, and
but were worried that because she was calling for this
other guy that the chemistry between him and her and
Tom Cruise may suffer and maybe they're under something.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Whether that scene in the lift, Tom Cruise is so
clearly standing on a box because she's quite tall.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well she apparently did a lot of her scenes barefoot.
But yeah, I just and Goose as soon as Goose
was benual. I was great to Steve Bisley from Mad
Max on board. But what are those names they have?
He's Maverick going? Was he named Maverick before or after?
Was that just a coincidence that he is actually a Maverick?

(29:07):
And what did I say about Goose?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's no very complimentary nickname. And then and and we're
going all over the place, I know. But the thing
about this film is I'm going, Okay, all of the
scenes where people are talking are just rubbish. But I'll
watch any film, an action film that's terrible if there's
just four good action movies in it action scenes, and

(29:30):
this they're all flying scenes. I barely could understand what
was going on during the flying scenes. The flying scenes
are essentially just watching the actors sitting in chairs with
masks over there. Mostly they're only their eyes are visible.
I could not tell who was who most of the
time tries, Oh they've got their names on their bats, thankfully,
and then you're just cutting to I was never sure

(29:53):
spatially where all the planes were in relation to each other.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
There's a lot of turning around, looking over shoulders and
looking around.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
The It did impress me. Is it all looked There
was no dodgy green screen work. No, it all it's
very beautifully filmed. Yeah, there's not a single shot in
the film that looks like a special effect.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
What Appendagon got involved and let approve the script, which
is why Cougar was originally supposed to die. And they said, no,
it's too anti military, so too interesting, it's too interesting.
So Cougar that shit's the bed now and now he
flies I think for Rex.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
But well that opening scene, okay, so the opening scene
is they're just flying around and these MiGs are on them,
and then they have lines like oh it's locked on.
But no one gets shot, no one gets blown out
of the sky. It's quite anticlimactic. It's an actionless action scene.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, it's because there's no enemy until that weird enemy
at the end. It's like it's basically they're playing paintball exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
All the scenes. There's no stakes in any of the scenes.
They're all just training exercises. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Really, And it's not like like Raging Bull, like every
bount tells a story like and he shoots it differently.
And with this you don't get the feeling that thought
has gone into the action sequences and.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
The story such that it is is this kind of
it's like out of a screenwriting computer. The thing about oh,
his dad, what did you know? His dad had a
he was a disgrace, and then Tom Skirit takes him beside.
Na he wasn't really, I.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Mean, and Tom Cruise's reaction is like, ah, okay, Tom Cruise.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's That's the other thing. How much smiling does he do?
I know he's famous for. There's so much smiling from
Tom Cruise. There's one scene where he's telling Kelly McGinnis
about sorry Kelly McGillis not Kelly McGinnis, telling her about
how his parents died, and he's grinning like an idiot
all the way through that scene as well.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
It is the birth of Tom Cruise. He'd done the
risky business.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, which I remember really liking.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yah, risky business is great. I think this is the
he said This is the first character he just played
which was larger than life, and I think he's obviously
taken that and really run with it for the rest
of his career, because Yeah, when you think of Tom Cruise,
you do kind of think of these kind of bigger
characters that he plays, but this is this. I think
it's probably still the most famous Tom Cruise. Yeah, Jerey maguire, Mike,

(32:23):
i'ma saying is the best, but it's I think it's good.
Is great.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
People have sort of gone off it because of the
overuse of the catchphrases from it, but it's a pretty
good film.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Jere McGuire. I think is a perfect date movie because
you get you get all the sports staff, and you
got the romance, and it's funny.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's funny too, And also is that the first one,
I guess because Tom Cruise as soon as we put
this on, a girlfriend goes, gee, do you think he's
going to be cocky and arrogant throughout the film? And
then that was sort of used for a long time
as the Tom Cruise character, and then he's got interesting
when he started to play failures and flawed characters like Magnolia. Well,

(33:01):
Magnolia is a fascinating use of Yeah, his strange persona.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well, it's taking that cockiness and arrogance and making it interesting.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And also it's one of the few times, well he
plays a really horrible person, yeah, in a really interesting way.
I think it was he Oscar nominated for the last thing. Yeah,
and now he's sort of I don't know, he seems
in very good shape for someone who's in his fifties. Yeah,
and I do enjoy those mission impossible films, but he's

(33:31):
he's kind of more interesting as he's older, isn't he Like, Yeah,
he's very uninteresting in this film I found well, Yeah,
and it is the.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Birth of Tom Cruise. You know he is. He arrives
and you're right, he just smiles his way and you
can imagine how excited they were, and they had to
convince him. He said no a few times, and then
they kind of took him up into it, you know,
a megaan the flear around. He came down and said, hey,
I'm doing the film, which is a great reason to
do it because of a joy ride. But I reckon

(34:00):
just to go back. I reckon. One of the one
of the things that maybe you didn't like either on
a conscious or subconscious level, is this is this is
an AD? This this this whole ye, this is an
AD for the military. And the enrollments into the navy
skyrocketed after they was setting they were setting up recruiting
booths outside cinemas and it was it was crazy. And

(34:24):
Tony Scott directed this. Yes, who was an AD man exactly.
And you know, if you think of that first sequence
with the you know, the the sun, the planes, the
megs or back lit by the sun. Ye, and it's
an AD, it's danger zonly's playing and the.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Sex scene is like a sort of Chanel number five commercial.
The Scott brothers, yeah, they were from There was that
generation of directors in England like Alan Parker who all
came out of making ads in the seventies. Adrian Line, Yeah,
Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, and Tony Scott I think had

(34:59):
done the which is all shot like an AD.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Which was a massive, massive failure. And he said he
couldn't get worked for four years and this is the
first one. And it's interesting consider he couldn't get work.
What was it that Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson saw
in him? And it must have been that he knows
how to shoot, and we want somebody who can.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, right, I've forgotten Don Simpson.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Now what was his He had a horrible indig Don
Simpson was apparently knee deeping coke and books. Halfway through filming,
he enrolls himself in rehab, but then takes himself out
of rehab, as someone who's knee deeping coken hookers sometimes
tend to do. And then he goes back to set,
stacks his car in the car park, and then storms

(35:44):
into a production meeting, says, starts screaming, we're not shooting
that scene, and this immediately starts. So jumps on a
typewriter a computer and starts rewriting the scene.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh right, so he's so he's one of the screenwriters.
Who is the screenwright? I know someone's just called cat.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, Gus Cash or something. Apparently Tom Cruise takes a
bit of credit, apparently for getting involved in the scripting stage.
I think it feels like a movie where a few
people had a bit of a crack out of but
Don Don passed away with an overdose.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I think ten years after, Oh goodness, I saw his
name and the other name that really took me back
to the eighties. In the opening credits was music by
Harold Foaltermeyer, who of course did the music for another
Brookheimer Beverly Hills cop Yes, the Axel f you know,
oh well a bit of music and Fletch the music

(36:35):
for Fletch.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And Flash Dance as well, because that was another that
was a Simpson brook Because one of the interest things
about the soundtrack, because this was they kind of, i
think created this kind of idea of having these you know,
soundtracks as opposed to score and like really investing in
the idea. I mean, you know, Rocky had you know,
probably there Eida Tiger, but they would they would get

(36:59):
they got p will in basically to audition and to
submit songs for they said, I've written specifically, I mean
you got Sitting on the Dock of the Bay and
Great Balls of Fire obviously, you know, but they got
people in to basically pitch songs and they had somebody
else wrote danger Zone and they pitched at first to
Toto and they knocked it back and then Speedwagon knocked

(37:22):
it back.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Stick Journey. How far down the list did they go?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Rat Cat and then and then at landed with Kenny
Loggins who had written the film the song for the
beach volleyball scene playing with the boys. I think it's
called and he just thought, everyone's going to try to
write the song for the opening. I'm going to concentrate
on this little beach ball beach volleyball scene that nobody's

(37:49):
going to worry about. And yeah, score score him.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
There halfway I mean it starts sorry, halfway, what is it?
Highway to the and and then we immediately go into
a scene with very little danger whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
The danger. Let's play paintball.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I know I keep quoting my girlfriend, but here's something else.
She said, Well, we're watching this film.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
She goes, this is the.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Sort of film that Mac from Sonny would really like,
you know, from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Yes, this
is such a Mac film.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
It was a huge film, which I should point out
it was the highest grossing film of ninet eighty six.
Second only, sorry, first second was Crocodile Dundee. Really yeah, wow,
which reminder how big Crocodile Dundee was.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, and here's something people forget about Crocodile Dundee. It
was nominated for an Oscar for screenplay. Yes, and it
was written by Paul Hogan and someone I'm fascinated by
a man called Ken Shady. Isn't that such a great name?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Is fantastic?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
He was a writer who I think wrote on Paul
Hogan's TV shows. Got an Oscar nomination for Crocodile Dundee.
I don't think it's ever been heard of since.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I love that. I'm fascinated. Where is Ken Shady? There's
a podcast that there's a serial style series. Okay, so
I wrote down, So you're talking eighty six? So what
was the number one? So Crocodile that and Platoon was
through Platoon I wrote down. These were the films I
liked in that year. There was This is How out

(39:21):
of Touch I Am with the general Public? Lost in
America was one of my favorite films from that year
with Albert Brooks. Alb Brooks, Yeah, Repo Man. I think
that might have been from a couple of years before,
but I saw that. Then Aliens came out that year.
That was a beauty, which is the sequel, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Alien?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And After Hours? Martin Scorsese's After Hours and the Australian
film Malcolm Malcolm's Great with a Car that splits some
hard which really needs Highway to the danger zone playing.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Underneath that deserves it more than Top Gun dos R.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
There is more action and excitement in Malcolm or suspense
at least Top Gun. I'm sorry. I know those a
lot of people who love Top Gun and probably furious
at me right now. I apologize.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I think there are films because I saw Top Gun
in the cinema, I was like, Wow, this is pretty awes.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Somebody would work better in the cinema. I'm guessing those
playing scenes, it.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Would absolutely And also I'm eleven years old, I'm not
kind of seeing all the issues with the movie. But
I think even if you love Top Gun, you are
you are used to people taking the piss Yes, okay, yeah,
I think you're in safe territory.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, that's right, there are. I'm trying. I can't think
of there's films I love that people just take the
piss out of constantly you and you have to defend
your own films. I live with someone who who has
said she will never see a Star Wars film, so
that's constantly, and it's very hard to get through a
day without a Star Wars reference.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Well, it's the thing that this is I think what
surprised me most that you hadn't seen Top Gun because
it feels like such a pop cultural kind of you know,
because you know, yeah, and like sales and ray bands
kind of went through to roof arth of this, you know,
is kind of like impact. It's been parodied so many times.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, that's it when you know a film better from
the parody from hot Shots.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, did you know the line you know, I could
tell you, but I would have to kill you came
from top of it.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
From there. It's interesting because that is a line you
hear in everything now. Yeah, and there's another one too,
something about that. I've heard a few people say about you.
Something you're writing.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
A your egos, writing checks. Your body can't cant.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
That's right. And he's the guy, and I love that guy.
James Tolkien, who I always remember, is playing Napoleon in
Woody Allen's Love and Death. But he gets the classic
the sort of boss of the cops, you know, bawling
them out, going to exactly it's that role. But then
they go to another base and someone else has that role.
Three different characters throughout the film get to play the

(41:56):
I'm taking you off this case Maverick.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Character, and then there's the guy with the coffee who's
this mad running through scenes.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
The adult lines were take me to bed and lose
me forever kind of became a bit of a thing,
and I feel the need the need for speed, which
when when he watching it back last night, I was
really disappointed at the high five. I remember being really cool.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, yeah, but watching it like it's.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Really like Tom Cruise is like really like they know
these high fives coming, really concentrating on landing that high five.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Wow, Wow, great movie. High five. There's a category. The
other song you mentioned, the songs You've lost that loving feeling?
Is that? Where is that from? Is that? That's obviously
an old song even when this, yeah, I seem.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
To when that came out, I feel like even as
an eleven year old, I knew that song. But that
became a famous, very famous scene in the movie. It
was one of Meg Ryan's first She has.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Very little to do, and Tim robbins as well. Is
it a small role? And I was amu is by
seeing him, a famous lefty actor having to sort of
take part in all the high five patriotism at the
final scene.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I wonder if he was back then, Yeah, he done.
He'd done a movie Anthony Edwards, the movie called The
Sure Thing.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
That's pretty good. That's a that's a good rob Ryaners
follow up to spital Town.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
That's right, yes, yes, John Cusack, Yeah, that's that's a
really good film. That one.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I knew him probably from Bull Durham as the first
time I noticed him, although he was the lead in
Howard the Duck or Howard Dot Dot, a new breed
of hero for Australians.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Did you notice there's a lot of perspiration, yes, almost
distractingly so yeah, that's part.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Of the advertising lighting of the whole thing, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, you're right, yeah, Bell Kilma. Just to get back
to the valcom he was contractually a blind yes, so
he didn't want to be in this film. He didn't
want to be in it, so it was.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
He had he he done top Secret.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's weird that he had that attitude because he'd done
Top Secret, one of the two other movies that I.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Hadn't Real Genius.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I think, yes, he's done. Really, I think maybe he
was this top Secret and real Genius and TV appearances
and then he's saying I don't want to be in.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
This yeah, big action movie, which is kind of would
this be the film he's most not?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I think so, I think his most iconic role. He's
probably had better performances, although I think ice Man he's
actually I think he's really good in it.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, well, he's sort of when you first see him,
he's menacingly flipping a ball point about sort of casting
shade on Tom Cruise, and you think they're going to be,
you know, clearly the antagonists, but he sort of they
sort of come together quite quickly, and then it's a
full blown romance by the by the end credits when

(44:50):
at the very end of the film, the very final
scene where Tom Cruise is in that bar and he
puts on the song of the jukebox and then out
of focus the background you see a female figure which
turns out to be Kelly Bigiller's I so wanted that
to be val killed and drag just the iceman coming
in singing you've lost that loving feeling there.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Was obviously they knew to get the female audience, and
because a lot of it's you know, in jet planes,
you know, with their faces you know, and often in
their eyes covered, they needed to see some flesh on earth.
So that's the only reason why the beach volleyball scene
is there, and why they hang out in towels and
their underwear around base. I mean, have you ever hung

(45:35):
out with that many men in towels?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
You know, I've never. I've been being very thin and
oft bullied young man I was. I spent my entire
life avoiding situations like that, like batman. Like even at
school when we had to get into swimming togs, I
would somehow manage to get in. I'd probably warn them
under my school uniform.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I was the same with you know, the opposite reason
of being a man of girth, right, okay, And I
remember actually felling playing a charity game as Strawny over
in the South of Straight with rather footballers.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And afterwards everyone's in the shower and like I'm like,
I'm just sat in the corner like you knows, in
the feet position show and the confidence of those footballs
do the walk around naked, that's right, there's extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I never had any of that. And because I'm growing
up in New Zealand two where the enormous Polynesian gentleman
and gentlemen, I'm talking about a nine year old who's
already at six foot. It was very intimidating for young man.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Did you expect Goose to die? Did that come as
a surprise at all?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I sort of was. I was feeling that coming, but
it was I didn't feel like the relationship was developed
to the point where I was moved when it happened.
I felt all of the melodramatic plot developments, that the
thing about his dad felt very tact on. Yeah, and
very I mean, I'd love to speak to someone who

(47:03):
loves this film. I'm assuming this is sacrilege what I'm
saying now.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
No, I mean I remember as an eleven year old
feeling the Goose moment. Okay, watching a back, I can
understand exactly what you're what you're saying. It did occur
to me that Tom Cruise knows that Goose is dead
as soon as he gets in the water, like you know,
for some.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Reason her out. When you look at the way that's edited,
he gets over to him very quickly. Oh yeah, they
landed the water miles apart, and then there's a cut
and he's almost there.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well, and that scene when we played early when Viper
kind of comes in and like the idea that you
have to get over this is like, yeah, yeah, it
just happened.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
He's right. And also when it happens, like, explain to
me what happens? So they release the canopy, Yeah, and
then he hits his ejectacyat too quickly, so he goes
up and hits the canopy. What's happening?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I mean, Meg Ryan should be suing. I think that's
what Top Gun too, which is coming out soon.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Is that true, isn't it? Yes?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
It was supposed to come out in June this year,
but Corona has sent it back to July twenty one.
It may be one of the gifts coronavirus has given us.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Okay, but what is Top Gun?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
To what I've seen the trailer, it's Maverick gonna coming
back to Top Gun?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Is he a train because he was training he is, Yeah,
so it's.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Unclear to me. I think he stopped training for a while.
I'm sure something happened.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Is he going to mentor like the how the older
Indiana Jones had it. It's not going to be one
of those, is it. I can only assume it will
be Timothy Challo May will be the new young Maverick.
I was just like you spills his coffee.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
I was always going to say, actually, Timothy shall Mate
is in it?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Oh is he really? No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Because I watched the Top Gun trailer to trailer last night,
and then I watched the Dispatch trailer after, which is
Where's Anderson movie? Timothy shallow mate?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I would love to see Wes Anderson doing the sequel
to Top Gun, shot entirely in front on wide shots
with harpsichord music, play Bill Murray. That would be great. No,
that's and then the planes, even the planes exploding looked good.
I thought, I'm going these are models, clearly, these are models. Yeah,

(49:25):
but they must be huge models.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, No, they're there. It's that is one of that.
As you mentioned, it's one of the impressive things they did.
They were allowed to use one missile. Yeah, so they'll
give them one missile to actually shoot and film. And
so they got it from different angles and either looped
it or reversed it and and flipped it.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
And because even that look there was no like, it
has not dated at all in how it looks. No,
whereas remember Twister, how amazing that it was. I remember
going a second time because it was so amazing wat
it for a while. I saw it about a year
and a half after it came out and just WoT, oh, no,
already looks terrible. The other my lifetime has been full

(50:11):
of films that looked amazing when they came out, and
then you go, is this like Tron? I remember seeing
Tron and wherever it was ninety eighty two and this
is amazing, and then seeing it in the nineties and
going is this is this actually the film or is
this like a pilot for the film? Is this like
an animatic of the effect? Well?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Star Wars is you know, almost the best example of
like you know, you're almost I mean, we did an
episode with why lead who hadn't seen Star Wars and
you really have to put yourself to really completely understand it,
and he enjoyed it, but to really understand and get
why this that's a phenomenon. You've really got to put
yourself into the nineteen seventy seven and to imagine seeing
this for the first time.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
That's right and one of the great The only thing
I think that impressed me about those prequels that came
out is that obviously they've they've had a meeting and gone.
This is kind to be very strange in the future
when people watch them in order, when they watched one, two, three,
and then they go to four and they go, hang,
why does it suddenly look like Doctor Who from the
nineteen to sixties.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's like going from VHS to That's.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Right, but they've obviously anticipated that. And if you look
at the last ten minutes of the third prequel, they
take it back to try and smooth over the joint.
They take it back to the look of that of
the fourth or the first one, part four because the
first scene, remember the first scene in Star Wars is

(51:31):
in the corridor on a spaceship and it's quite cheap,
like Star Wars was only made for I think nine
and a half million dollars Credible, which was quite cheap
even then. And the walls of that corridor don't quite
touch the floor, and they've recreated that in the final
scene of the third prequel. Okay, I might be remembering

(51:52):
this wrong, but been quite impressed by that.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I'm going to go and look at that again. Were
you surprised from a story point of view from top
Gun that they sent Maverick back up to say this
this dangers looming or or you're not even looming. It's
on the on the doorstep unspecified enemy. Maverick hasn't got
his confidence, has got his mojo back yet no people

(52:15):
are losing faith in him, So why not put him
up in the sky as Iceman's wingman. I think ice
Man had a good point, to be honest. Is he
the right part to send up?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I know, because the problem I had with a lot
of this, and you always feel bad siding with the
bad guy in a film. But whenever the iceman started
doing his rand about how undisciplined and not a team player,
I was just on his side. I was Man's completely
making sense. Tom Cruise is a dangerous person to be
out there. And then at the end, don't they mirror

(52:46):
that line where he goes, yeah, you are dangerous.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
You can be my wing man anytime. Bullshit, Yeah you
can be mine.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But I'm assuming because as you've mentioned that, the Navy,
in order to let them film all this, they had
to approve the script. So part of me is going,
this seems very unlikely. But then I'm going, but this
has been approved by the news. I don't know. I'm
assuming it's possible, but it didn't seem believable.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, no, not at all. Do anything else.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I'm just trying to I'm searching through my notes to
see if I've got anything positive written down. I love
how when this was a great line that's aged well.
When the very near the start of the film, when
Tom Cruise and Goose walk into a bar full of
hot women, and Tom Cruise says, and I've written it down,
this is what I call it target rich environment.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
This is what I call it target rich environment.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
You live your life between your legs, Mau Goose.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Even you can get lead into place like this, Dhania.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I'd be happy to find a girl who talk dirty killing.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Do you want to know who the best is?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's him Icet. It's the way he flies ice called
no mistakes, just wears you down.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
You get bored, frustrated, do something stupid.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
He's got you.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
That's aged very well. I've just written down. I've written
down several times. Zero chemistry. Yeah, no, I think I
think we've covered everything.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I mean, you know you have mentioned you were impressed
by at least the shooting of the action sequences.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's one of those films that hasn't
dated in its look, and there's not many films in
that kind of special effects action era that.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
And because they're often wearing just the uniform. Even from
a fashion point.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
None of that, there's no It's funny when that happens
because one of my very favorite films from the eighties
is David Lynch's Blue Velvet, and he's so particular about
the look of everything that it's kind of timeless. Yeah,
you're not even sure when it's happening. But there is
a scene even in that film, there's a scene towards
the end where they go to an eighties party and

(55:15):
it almost becomes you know, weird science for a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
It was like Crocodile Dundee almost has a Yeah, the
first half when they're in Australia has a lot of
timeless feel because there's all out back, so you accept that.
But when he goes to New York and he goes
you know that the parties where they're playing mentals and anything,
you know, live it up and you know, you got
the shoulder pads and that's where you know it starts feeling.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I've forgotten that. And then the second one, this is
like tough streak gangs, isn't there?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, the second one. And here's a question for you.
We were talking about this on radio recently. Who is
the most Eighties person, the most eighties looking person in
an eighties movie? Ah, I know it's a tough one
to just spring on you.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
You know, you know, we're My mind went straight away
was Anthony McCarthy, Anthony manequin and oh yes, Andrew mccas
Andrew McCarthy from Pretty and Pink almost some reason. I'm
not sure if that's my absolute answer, but that's where
my mind went to. First.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Here's the one I thought of, Robert Downey Junior in
Back to School with Rodney Dangerfield.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Take a hakee, you elitist fraternity scumbag.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Now you might not be getting a picture of that
right now, but if you google that, if you google
it's the most eighties outfit here, sort of mascara everything.
That's that's my favorite eighties looking character. That.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
It was great, Hey, before we let you go, we
direct again. Bad Eggs was a wonderful movie. Go check
it out if you haven't already. There was such a great,
great thing I remember thinking for many years later afterwards like,
when's only going to make another one? Well?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
And yeah, I've written a few. I've written for the
last three or four years, I've been trying to get
and this is in saying don't do this everyone. I've
been trying to get a stop motion animation film made,
but very few people are aside from the people who
do Wallace and Grommet, and where's very few people set
up for stop motion. Trying to get one made is

(57:14):
as slow and painstaking as making a stop motion film.
I'm hopefully directing a web series, so that's that's how
I've lowered my sites. But I've got some friend of
mine's written some great scripts that we're hoping to make
a web series early in twenty twenty one, assuming that
we'll be able to what was current goings on?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
What was your experience with bad Aggs? What did you
what did you learn? Because I remember, like im even
asking you like in probably like five years out the
Bad Eggs, are you going to do another one? And
when I made we made I Love You Too. I
didn't direct I Love You Too, but we made it
that in twenty ten, Yes, and I remember I asked,
was you know? And even the years since then I've
kind of gone. They're really hard to make.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
It's such a massive undertaking. I mean that was even
though it came together quite quickly. It's probably two or
three years work for something goes ninety eight minutes. Yeah, yeah,
And it's such a huge amount of work. And it
wasn't a huge hit when it came out. It did
all right, but it had come out after Crackerjack, which
was a massive success, so it was seen as not

(58:16):
being right, you know. It was seen as a disappointment.
But it's funny. It just kept selling overseas and money
just kept coming in to the point where eventually broke
even and then it started to go into profit. I
couldn't believe it, and it was I going, what's happening.
It's not out, it's not even on. You can't even
get DVDs, And they go, oh, Portugal have gone man

(58:37):
for it.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Well, that's really funny. I Love You, I Love you too. Well,
it's kind of weird because you kind of put this
film out and then the goods goes that you almost
hand it over, Yes, the distribit is kind to take
it over, and it has this weird life like I
Love You Too. It was like number two for quite
a while in Russia. Wow, you know, and then it
did quite well at the Israeli Film Festival.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
You've got in that film, You've got Peter Dinklin. Is
there anyone else?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Instowski?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
There you go? So we didn't. The biggest name we
had internationally speaking was Bill Hunter, and even Bill Hunter
wasn't a household So it's always amazing to me where
it's like we heard Bad Eggs was doing really well
in Germany, making me the comedy version of David Hasselhoff.
In Germany, it's called mits volum ainsartz, which apparently means

(59:28):
with extreme force or something to that effect.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I can't believe you did. You mentioned this earlier when
we were talking about retitling.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Exactly exactly, because I just go, what does Bob Franklin's
voice sound like in German? Although it's funny. Have you
seen your film dubbed into another? That's always a very
odd experience.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I don't think I have. Actually, i've seen posters for
it in foreign languages, which is unfortunately I wasn't able
to get my hands on any of them. That's the
one post, if a post it would have been the
one in Russian.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
You know, yeah, what about the jokes that you're going,
what are they? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
And Germans particular one too, because they Eddie Isar talks
about it. The way they the syntax and the way
they sent they structure their sentences is kind of almost
the opposite the way we do it. So comedy has
got to German. Germans have ad a weird relationship with
English comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, and it's a very and in my film it's
a very dry sort of those Bob Franklin lines. I
can't imagine what I really I would love to hear
and as well exactly, Oh yeah, I must get the
German version at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Well, thank you. You can be my wingman. Anytime I'll
meet of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I'll get the jukebox fired up. We can do a
little dance number.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
That was so much fun. Tony Martin was one of
the first people I dreamed about getting when I thought
of this podcast, and I even had emails from people saying,
please get Tony Martin, and people were fascinated with what
movie he made Choose. I know somebody had emailed me saying,
I'm sure he's seen everything. He'd probably be impossible for
him to nominate a movie. Well it wasn't Top Gun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Tony was a bit nervous. He told me afterwards about
coming in and knowing he didn't particularly enjoy the film.
But you know, that's what this is. It's yes, it's
you know, I hope this is a celebration of film,
but not everyone who's gonna love every film they watch him.
To be honest, I had a bit of a hunch
that Tony Martin may not love Top Gun the way
many people have before him. So fantastic. Tony is an

(01:01:39):
absolute genius and sizzletown check that out his podcast It
is one hell of a ride and in Bad Eggs.
Go check out and find Bad Eggs to watch from
two thousand and three, starring mc malloy above, Franklin and
Judith Lucy, directed and written by Tone. So thanks again, Tony.
Thanks Derek Mais my podcast manager at Casaway Studios. If

(01:02:02):
you want to see me an email Yasny Podcast at
gmail dot com. Thank you for all the emails coming through.
I have loved them, so I hope you did enjoy
this Christmas episode. If you ain't seen nothing yet, next
week on the show, we have a great comedian tearing
it up. He has a Netflix special out now check
it out. It is Rehys Nicholson. He is brilliant and

(01:02:24):
loves his cinema. And he'll be checking out Rosemary's Baby,
and I'll be watching also for the first time. I
look forward to that, Rees Nicholson. And you ain't seen
nothing yet with Rosemary's Baby until then. Bye. And so

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we leave all Pete save Van sul and to our
friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant good name.