October 7, 2025 • 53 mins
Comedian Troy Kinne finally confronts the cultural juggernaut he's somehow avoided for decades. Despite having visited Harry Potter attractions and pretending to understand Hogwarts house references, Troy experiences the magic of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" for the very first time. His genuine reactions provide both humor and insight as he navigates this beloved fantasy world with fresh perspective.
The conversation explores what makes the film magical - the discovery of Diagon Alley, the wonder of Hogwarts, and Harry finding his first true friends. Yet Troy questions certain storytelling choices, wondering if Harry's journey could have had more resistance or personal agency. The hosts dive into the incredible British cast, from Alan Rickman's mysterious Snape to Robbie Coltrane's lovable Hagrid, while discussing J.K. Rowling's strict casting rules that kept the production authentically British.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good ay, Pete Hall, are you here? Welcome to you
Ain't seeing nothing yet the Movie Podcast. We're our chat
to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie
they haven't quite got around to watching until now. In
today's guest comedian Troy Kenney, all below, I want.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
To study you with you, hettle jobber, my hat snake shucked,
my hail.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You haven't any right, so you ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Troy Kenny has returned. Thanks Trov, coming all the way
back into the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
No worries realitiate it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Last week, of course, your three favorite films were Boogie Knights,
Dirty One, Scandals and Donny Brasco. It was really a
lot of fun talking about those three films. Great films.
But now it's the moment of truth you have picked
and actually Juggernaut. Like I said, it's hard to imagine
or think of anything that's had left a bigger footprint
(01:25):
in the pop cultural landscape than Harry Potter over the
last thirty years. Of the amount of eight movies, Harry
Potter movies and the Fantastic Beasts franchise, you know, obviously
the books, the plays, it's huge, It looms large there
wouldn't be very few people in the world wouldn't know
who Harry Potter was. It's probably the Star Wars of
(01:46):
you know, this generation. So yeah, no Press to Troy.
Directed by Chris Columbus, of course, starring Daniel Redcliffe, Emma Watson,
Rupert Green who have since become household names, many many more.
We'll get to the cast, I'm sure soon. But did
you enjoy Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I did, and I was I wish I had watched
it when it first came in because it is a
film where I mean, in the first few scenes I
was I was sort of kicking myself. I'm like, oh,
I would have really got into this when I was
around the hype of it. So I did feel silly
that I hadn't seen it, and that's why I picked it,
(02:30):
because you know, there's a few other films I've seen
that are, you know, not as popular. But I thought,
I've got so many friends or people in my world
where this is their favorite film. Yeah, and it's so
weird that I hadn't seen it, And yeah, I can
admit I get what the hype is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Have you, I know, you just watched it last night.
But last week you did mention that there were some
times where you almost had tricked yourself into thinking you
had seen the film. Have you made a few calls
or do you plan on making a few calls going
listen now, I actually have watched it, and you know what,
it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I'm scared of people hearing this because I have, like
we said a bit last last time, I've done so
much touristy things to do with Harry Potter and played
the role of someone who loves Harry Potter by photo
in front of the tree, which I still don't know
what the tree is. That's obviously coming up in a
sequel that I have to watch. I've I think I
(03:27):
sent you a video of the nine and three quarters platform,
but the train station have been there, and I've gone
into Harry Potter stores and bought gifts for friends like
nephew and two young girls that live next door to me,
And so I've seen all these things and now finally
they're making sense. Like why I remember we did it
(03:49):
was in lockdown we did you could do the test
to see what house you were, and I got slytherin.
Oh yeah, and the girls from next Door with oh,
so I went, ah, yeah, that's a shame. I've got
no idea what it meant. Now I get it. So yeah,
I've been living a life for a long time. I'm
(04:10):
gonna have to come clean. Or I could just like
double down and start up the conversations again with a
bit more confident.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I just want to circle back to that conversation we
had seventeen years ago. Well, let's I saw so. I
saw this film when it came out. Obviously there's a
lot of you know, it was huge. It was absolutely massive.
The film came out. My when you told me you
wanted to do Harry Potter, I was a bit like,
but I love the story you had around it one
(04:40):
because I was like, well, it's a bigger book than
a movie. And then I spoke to a friend about
it and they said, no, it's it's a big enough movie.
And you yeah, there's broken records and it was nominated
for Oscars and it's certainly beloved.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
If it's not a classics, I've been on the Harry
Potter ride at Universal Studios. It's a big movie. People
know about it. Yeah, nobody's going Harry Potter World.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
That is googling Harry Potter right now. It's going to
catch up. What's this movie they're talking about? But I
think for me, it it left me and I was
looking forward to watching it again to see, okay, I
haven't watched it since it came out. Maybe I try
to give it another go it lets it leaves me
a little cold, because it kind of I feel, And
(05:24):
I preface it by saying, I think I said it
last week, but I'll say it again. I'm so glad
Harry Potter exists, and that I'm so glad that people
love it, you know, that it got kids reading and
then and then if then if they love the movies,
it maybe got people going to the cinema, you know.
So I there's nothing that I have against Harry Potter,
(05:46):
you know, I just kind of felt like it's got
one foot in the kids movie camp and one foot
in the kind of adult camp. And obviously they develop
as the series goes on, so they do age up,
so it does get done as the kid's going to
get older, which I think would be like, what your
points are a really good one? Like I was, you know,
(06:07):
twenty seven, twenty eight, when the movies come out you know, so.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I was twenty three when Harry Potter came out.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, so it's not it's not the age.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And now that I think of it, all the friends
I have where it's their favorite movie, they're probably you know,
almost ten years younger than me. Yeah, so it's their
prime pickings for Yeah, it's it's their Goonies, is Harry.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yes, exactly right if you watch Goonies yea even now
and they are remaking it, which you know, we will
see how it works out. But yeah, I can understand it.
You may not love Goonies, yeah at all. Yeah. Because
also the special effects. I was like surprised last night
going they're not as good as I kind of remembered
and have reasons. Chris Columbus, the director, who he was
(06:55):
not happy with the special effects. He said they felt
rushed and he made sure they had more time for
the follow up from the Chamber of Secrets, but it
went under to be nominated for the best effects of it.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
What Hell like Jurassic Park had come out then that
was sort of the first cgi of moving what.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
A Star Wars The star was prequeenly started so.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Terminated too had been like here, so they really should
have up the game with the special effects.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The technology was there.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, and I was kind of had this feeling that
it was all to me. It feels like it's all
been done on a sound stage. Nothing feels real with that,
and I was surprised doing some research there were quite
a few real locations actually used. There's a little USSI
connection actually, the the grigots with the things. The bank
(07:43):
is actually the really Australian High Commission in London. So
but it just felt like everything was on a sound stage.
Even when they were outside, they were never really outside.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Interesting you say that because now looking back, I'm having
the same feelings because I said to your last time
that when I was trying to work out why I
hadn't watched it, because I found a confusing that I
wouldn't watch a film that everyone's going on about because
that's sort of my main hobby and I've never been
attracted to period pieces in film, and in my head,
(08:16):
I always looked at this as a period piece, even
though it's not. I mean period pieces that are sort
of you know, back like down to the Abbey time. Yeah,
I like it when it's in a world where I
can relate to and I feel like when I started
watching Harry Potter, I'm like, oh, this is you know,
it's a kid living in a Bristol or something, and
(08:39):
it's like a kid's dream that you get a letter
that you're going to be going to a wizard.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I was so into all that aspect of it. Then
when they get there, and like you said, it starts
to become unfamiliar. They're in a world where the creatures
are coming out, and I just thought I start to
detach a bit from it there. I like when it
was still a boy who's like finding this as mysterious
as I would in real life. But then suddenly it
(09:06):
just it became when they get to where they're playing
the chess game, I'm like, this has now just become
episodes of task Master just loading them up with and
they were getting weirder and weirder. Where I guess I
like it if it's said in a bit more reality.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, it's fascinating, that, isn't it, Because you would think
that then going to Hogwarts, you know, a wizard school
that and there are fascinating things that happened that that
would that that should be really tantalizing and fascinating and thralling,
but you didn't find that at all, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Like at the start when he's at the zoo and
the snake acknowledges him and he is like, oh my god,
I was so into that. That was cool and because
he's doing the same emotion I would. And then by
the end there's a you know, Voldemort was talking out
the back of a guy's head. It's like, well, now
this is we've jumped like ten rungs on the ladder.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's a bit silly.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now talking snake I can relate to. But I just
I don't know. I went into a world of monsters
and rather than magic. Yeah, yeah, the captivating stuff that
you'd sort of relate to wizardry. But when it sort
(10:24):
of just became like I feel like they're just in
a boardroom, right, think of something scary? Bang? All right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Done? Yeah, they felt like there was a bit of
ticking of boxes going on this, you know, like it's
a this does set up the series, and I think
it does. Listen, I think it does a pretty good job.
Like I'm going to put my little indifference to the
movie aside and focus on what they do. Well, I
don't want to stand leaving another. We've got to listen
(10:50):
to five experts. But yeah, also, I think before I
move on to the more positive stuff, I really like
Daniel Raycliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint. I think I
met Daniel Radcliffe a few times. I don't think I've
met the other two, and he's one of the loveliest
people considering the life he's gone and been cast. His
(11:13):
parents are really reluctant to have him be part of
this movie. Christopher Columbus saw him in a film and
really he really wanted him and that his parents were
like no, they're very protective obviously, and they're like, no,
it's not for him. They auditioned.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
They feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We imagine there's room for another Harry on an extension
on the.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Third hour, five thousand Kids. They audition and the carting
director is starting to get a little bit frustrated with
Christopher Columbus because she just thinks he's just got his
head set on Daniel Radcliffe that he can't see anyone
else really, so that would be frustrating if she if
she knows that Daniel Radcliffe is unavailable, but he's just like, no, no,
I can't move on. And then one day the producer
(12:04):
this is the story, you know, it happens to go
see a movie with one of the casting director or
maybe in Christopher Columbus and Daniel Radcliffe is also in
the cinema with his dad, and they kind of like
approached him after the movie and have a little chat
with them and kind of convince them, you know, will
protect you. And it sounds like they were liberally there
to yeahalking stalking the radcliffs. But so he's a phenomenal yeah,
(12:29):
you know young man than your Redcliffe. I think it's
tend to a really good actor. Has made some really
interesting films over the years. The performances in at least
in his first film, don't quite stack up for me.
I just kind of thought, like, not terrible, but these
are the leads and then they need to convince you,
(12:49):
and I can just see the kids acting.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, I didn't feel that. When you first see Emma
Watson and mind You, I was finding myself and because
I've seen them all as adults now, so it was
it was a reminder I'm watching an old film, yes,
but on when she first comes in and meets them
on the train and does her dialogue there and as
she walks out, stops comes back in my head. I
(13:16):
was thinking, what did the other takes look like that?
It's very hit your mark here, turn around and say this,
like you do notice the acting? Yeah, yeah, I was
giving it a passau. It's a kid's film. You know,
you don't notice that when you're watching as a kid.
But like you said, it's got a foot in the
kids territory of foot in the adults.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But also, you know, we just had this kid win
an Emmy for you know, the Youngest Best Actor for Adolescents.
What an extraordinary performance that was. So you can find
kids who can knock it out of the park. Now,
obviously the kids have done a good job, because you know,
if they do a terrible job, then the whole thing
doesn't work. I mean, the pressure on Christopher Columbus for
this movie, so he was an American American filmmaker, Missus, Doubtfire,
(14:00):
Stepman by Centennial Man, some of the films he's made.
The pressure on him and I've heard him speak about
it like knowing there's eight there's going to be eight books,
and if this first one doesn't work, then it's kind
of on him because he's making a lot of these
choices and he has to get the kids, the kids right.
(14:23):
So yeah, so they did, they do a good job
the kids. But I just for me, and they do
get better. From my memory I've seen, I think I've
seen all the films. They do get better. They do better,
which is understandable. One thing they say about the kids
is they don't because they're going through puberty at the
(14:43):
various times. They don't. Kind of it's quite miraculous. Miraculous
in a way, and I think maybe Christopher Columbus commented
on it. None of them went through that kind of
phase of like that awkward puberty on screen where you
kind of go, it's it's almost you know, hard to
look at from them as an audience member because you're
going to go, oh, they're going through something. Yeah, kind
(15:05):
of a bit private for them. And now their their
their voices, you know, change and it's all happening on camera.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Change is the main thing is.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, it's manly for modern families, just gonna you can't
and it's it's all good for everybody. You know, it's
not good for them. It's it's all good audience members.
But they kind of I think navigated that pretty well.
Warner Brothers was going to make this as an animated
series because they were they were fearful that instead of yeah,
(15:33):
and merge some of them, not make eight films that
merge some of the stories. And because I worried about
the kids aging and and will they can you sign
them up for you know these contracts and and Warner Brothers,
so J. K. Rowling said no, it needs to be.
It needs to be eight live action films.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I don't know if I because I watched it
later it night. I mean, you gave me a week
to watch this thing, and of course I've waited to
the last night. In my head, I was telling me, oh,
so it'll be fresh in my head. I'm like, I
just didn't get around to it. And I don't know
if it was a factor that I wanted to go
to sleep, but I did think and this, I genuinely
(16:16):
think this of all films. I'm like, it's a.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Bit long, and it's two and a half hours.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, and when when the quidditch game? Am I pronouncing
that right?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Quidditch?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Quidditch? I just heard Sam yelling at me.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Some pronounced it wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The Quidditch game. I feel like after that, I was like,
oh that we're wrapping of a victory and I pressed
the remote to see I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
We're half Whereas I.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Think you could have stretched it, you know, out, And
the Quidditch game was the finale in some way, because
I think for me that was I loved the world.
They're learning how to be wizards and all that, and
then when it starts creeping away from that, that's when
it started to lose me a bit.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you to an extent, but
I do think it needs to have that danger set up,
that this world will get darker and there are darker
forces coming for Harry. I do love like there were
so many great questions in this in this series, and
this has comes from the book. There are changes made
from the book to the to the movie, but I
(17:22):
do love the amount of things that you are you
are wondering about, you know, the questions that you have,
like Voldemort is like who is this Voldemort? You know
you know that the death of his parents and and yeah,
there are just so many things and this even touchstones
as as an adolescent that you would be so excited
(17:44):
about when Harry when they Harry meets Ran on the
train before her comes in and he basically, you know,
Ron's got this wrapped up ball of a sandwich, you know,
in clean wrap, and Harry buys the train, which is
basically an adult version of them going on a bender.
They has eating everything, They've got the bellies full, they're
(18:06):
having a great time, and they bonded.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That was the difference to me watching it as an
adult because when he said we'll take the lot and
got all these coins out, my first thought was that's
so irresponsible, But what if you need money later?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I did have a question which maybe you can shed
some light on. So Harry's living with the Dursleys, who
don't treat him well, He's living under the stairs. They
locked the thing, and I'm not sure what he does
when he needs a piss at night late maybe that
you just don't But is he pissing in jars? I
don't know. I don't know. I'm probably glad they left
that out, but it did. It was going to be
(18:43):
your question what would you do in that situation? And
then the owl start coming leaving the letters from Hogwarts
and the Dursley's kind of get the wind of this,
they clearly don't like him, and then they don't do.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The nth degree right away when we first see the
is it his uncle uncle? Yeah, Vernon And that's when
I was I was asking myself, oh, so has he
already showed signs of that he's doing magic tricks? Because
he says no funny business like yelling in his face,
and I'm like, what does he mean by Obviously he's
referring to something else he's done, but he just means no, just.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
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Speaker 3 (19:45):
Because then when he he locks his cousin, essentially I
guess in with this or in the snake yes enclosure.
The dad looked straight to him as if you've had
something to do with.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This, I suspect that is it? Just I suspect they know. Okay,
they know, and maybe that is why they.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Could be angering a lot of people that I haven't.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, no, but I you know you kind of They said,
you've watched this for the first time. I've seen it
now maybe three times and over, you know, twenty years,
and it wasn't obvious to me, but I suspect they
would know, maybe because it's there. They're like one of
their sisters, their brothers, I guess, yeah, and they're wary
(20:28):
of it. So that's what I like. What then, why
when the ours come and then they clearly want to
take Harry away? Why are they fighting it? Yeah, like
they go after this weird ireland in this weird kind
of cabin.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And that crept up on me. I was like, yeah,
I look at my phone. I missed something here. We
suddenly in this I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Sure that's more explained more in the book, but in
the movie it's like why I needed a bit more
information just on why where was this place? Because why
did they go there? Because they clearly didn't like him.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They there's hatred for him, but it's like they're protecting
him as well.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Is there a monetary kind of value in him having it?
Are they getting paid a bored him?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, it's a bit unclear.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I just felt like that that would have been nice.
So okay, So I was wondering if you had spotted
anything in regards to that. I mean, the cast is incredible,
like outside of the kids who now become household names
and you know people now we're watching Harry Potter for
those names.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I was disappointed that we who's and you'll have to
say the character's name head of a Slytherin Malfoy A Snape? Yes,
and what's he?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Do?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You know? His real name?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Alan Rickman? Alan?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I always confuse him with the other die hard baddie
Jeremy Iron. So yeah, I was because you know, it
is cool that they thought he was, you know, putting
a on Harry brow him stuff, and it two is
that he was trying to help him and you find
that out, It's like, oh he was sort of a
(22:06):
good guy. There's no scene with them finding that out
with him. I would like to have.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Seen, well even at the end when actual.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Evidence of him being better than they thought he was.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, when Dumbledore says on the Stone's been dealt with, well,
is that not worth putting on that?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And for me too, how I said the movie after
the Quidditch game, has the sorcer of Stone been mentioned?
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Then?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I feel like it just gets mentioned after that, it's like,
that's a long time to go with the main part
of the movie hasn't even been planted.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yes, I feel like they're juggling two things. They're juggling
setting up this world and how he is and this
world of Hogwarts, and then the story that goes into
you know, which is about the philosophers Stone like, so
the part of the story that's going to give the
action and the darkness and all of that stuff. So
because your point earlier, Yeah, there's a version of this
(23:01):
movie where it doesn't after Quidditch, and it's a nice
gentle setting up of you know, well.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Not necessarily like the movie should end after Quidditch. But
I'm saying there's a movie just in the Wizard School
of at Hogwarts where it's Harry discovering I actually do
belong here. There's a whole movie just in that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, yeah, it's almost like a you know, smaller coming
of age type movie.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Whether they need more movies. And by the way, the
things I'm pointing out are almost positive in that. How
I said I wanted to see the scene with Rickman,
I'm like, it's a good problem to have that you
couldn't squeeze. Yeah, it just means I like that character.
I wanted to see more.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, of J. K. Rowling gave Alan Rickman a bit
of like direction as far as what snape how his
future kind of pans out that was not even in
the books yet, like that only revealed in the final book.
So to give him the ability to play the characters
(24:10):
as real as possible and as faithful as possible based
on who he actually who's really Yeah, yeah, so that's fascinating.
But like the cast is just who's who of iconic
British actors. Sadly a lot of them are gone. Yeah,
Richard Harris plays Dumbledore. He was replaced by Michael Gambon.
(24:35):
Another legendary actor, Richard Griffiths. I don't think's with us anymore.
With Nail and k I fans, you know, he's just
like such a He plays Uncle Vernon Dursley. So what
an iconic, unbelievable presence and face and physicality that man has. Yeah,
he's just incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
What's the Matte LeBlanc episode is at the start of
that as the original right, that's right, Yes, the original
show they did. He was the main character that they
try to transfer him over to the American version. That's
just I think as soon as he does an American accent,
it's the same dialogue. It was just not funny anymore.
(25:18):
But I just even though it's just a small role
in that, he was so good in that he made
you believe, oh, this is bad. He was the head
of the whole other series. Like but the other series
doesn't exist. But in my head, I'm like, I really
so yeah, him just portraying that character for really the
opening the first act of an episode, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, Saw is in there. Who I wouldn't have
known Shaw when I first watched Harry Potter, but more
we recently years. Fianna Shaw's had a big couple of yearsues.
She was great and killing Eve and and and or.
For Star Wars fans, she plays the auntie you got
Maggie Smith, who sadly passed away about a year ago.
(26:00):
John Hurt Warrick Davis, he's in there. So JK. Rowling
had a hard and fast rule that only people from
Britain or Ireland, you know, the British Isles could play
play roles. So Vern Troyer is in there. Really yeah,
Mini me, but he's voiced by Warrick Davis. So yeah,
(26:25):
so there was a there's a kid I.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Reckon I might have recognized just his I remember seeing
someone where the movements. I was like, that's familiar, but
I was assuming I'm looking for Warrick Davis. But it's
not Warrick Davis.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
How maybe that's Vern troy Vern Troyer. There was a
guy called Liam Aitken who was offered the role. They
got the role, had it for twenty four hours, but
it was revoked because JK. Rowling found out he was American.
We're not having so it was just really like really
committed to having so imagine.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
How he isn't the Olympics, mate.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Imagine imagine even in hindsight, knowing that you Harry Potter
for twenty four hours, and it could it could have
been because I must say I haven't heard of Leemak
and he's in the movie Step Mum with Christopher Columbus, So.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Brice Springsteen recorded a song called I'll Stand by You
You Always, and that was also cut from the Cup
from the film. I mean, imagine having a Britce Springsteen
record a song for you. Yeah, and then it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
What else did you thing? Born in the USA? Off,
you go, Off, you Go.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Julie Walters is in there, John Cleese, of course, Alan Rickman.
It's just and then the cast gets bigger as a
lot of Ray Fines obviously is brilliant, one of my
favorite actors as Voldemort. Yeah, it's it's it's so good.
Another you know, a little spin off they could have done.
Hagrid talked about going down the Pub you know a bit.
(27:55):
This is a little spin off series with Haggrid down
the cub Robbie Coltrane has he's no longer with a
sadly but that could work.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, because he has a few scenes stealing moments. So
it's like, oh, there's more for this. I mean, I'm
sure the character comes back.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
He does, and I think but I think it's a
good point. I think Hagrid is a really important character
in this film because he does he's almost you know,
he's almost he's almost one of the protagonists in a way,
like he does get the action moving. He has ground
it as well. He's he's funny, he's very likable and
with the kids still finding their feet, both characters and actors,
(28:33):
I think He gives a real presence that you feel
safe when he's around.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, I think, yeah, definitely, you're right. When he first
comes in, knocks the door down and just sort of says,
how you doing, He's just set the tone.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
He's almost a chewbacker of the of the series. I
refuse to see any film like this without looking through
the prison of Star Wars.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's good for me to see the stylug when they
first go. He takes Harry to is it diagon Alley
where they all the wizard shops and stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That was really cool.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
So that's what I loved. So I've at Harry Potter
World at Universe whatever, i'd seen that and in Edinburgh.
Apparently Victoria Street in Edinburgh is where JK. Rowling got
some inspiration for that look. Whether that's true or not,
I don't know, but I took a photo of it
in case, even though I hadn't seen the film. But
that's where I understood because I remember being at Harry
(29:32):
Potter World and thinking if I had seen Harry Potter
because I'd been to Star Wars World as well at Disneyland,
and that was incredible because you're walking through it and
it's like you're in Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I have been Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Lose your mind, but at the Harry Potter and I'm like,
I wish i'd seen it because I know I'd have
the same feeling. When I saw them go into Diageron Alley,
I was like, this is now. I get it. I
get why. I like what I said with when I
was talking about my three favorite films. Boogie Night's the
style and that's what I loved. I love seeing that.
And then when you get to Hogwarts, it's all there.
And that's probably why when it started to be a
(30:08):
bit dungeony and we're inside, it's sort of I missed
being and seeing all the Harry Potter world where it's
then getting into you know, monsters and stuff where I've
seen that in other movies. Keep me in the Harry
Potter world.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, that's that's that's really fascinating. You had a moment
where they obviously go to the Hogwarts and they're working
at who they are and they have the sorting hat
and let's listen.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh yeah, that's awesome as well. That's scene Caddy.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Potter m difficult, very difficult, plenty of courage. I see
(31:05):
not a bad mind either. There's talent, oh yes, and
a first to prove yourself. But where to put you?
Not Slitherin, not slyithering, not Slytherin. A Are you sure
you could be great? You know it's all here in
(31:27):
your head and Slytherin.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Will help you on the way to greatness. There's no
doubt about that. No, Well, if you're sure, better be.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Griffindor.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah. I liked it. I mean I thought that looked
really great. Yeah, some of the special effects didn't. Well,
I didn't love or they say to a vi age,
but that still looked really cool.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, and I know I've seen that hat at a
Harry Potter shop or something else. I mean, if people
we're getting a photo of it, and I did as well,
going I don't know what that is, but that's good
to know what I took a photo of many years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I do think the with the way they wrap up
the the scores at the end and they all the
bonus points that come. Oh, I mean, I mean the
brand Lame Metal or the dally Am. Can you imagine
Peter Blandis or or mister Dylan at the AFL kind
of getting up there and going and an extra ten
(32:27):
votes for Nick Dakos.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, there was a classier way to do that. Let's
make the Slytherins think they've won, yeah, in the traditional way,
and then just you know, come and steamroll over all
their dreams.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Seeing a little ham fisted. What do you think of
dra Draco Malfoy, the blonde of villain looks like a
son of a lethal weapon.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, well, has he become someone else I would have
seen in the movies? I was trying to work that
good question. Tom felt in his name, I think is
harmony Emma? What's and had a bit of a crush
the first Well, I mean it's almost a Karate Kid scenario.
(33:08):
And when you can look back and realize Daniel was
a bit of a pricking at the start of Karate Kid. Yeah,
in that when right at the start he's not that
mean to Harry. He just says, oh you're Harry Potter,
I can help you whatever, and extends a handshake, and
Harry says, I think I can pick my own, thank
you very much, or I can't remember. Yes, he could
(33:30):
have shaken his hand like he hadn't shown signs he
was a real baddie quote unquote then.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I think my understanding is a memory of that
he kind of does kind of you know, ride that
line of being is he completely bad or is he
just isn't? Yeah, and he's he just under the influence
of parents or you know, will he redeem himself? So
(34:00):
he was also seen in the right of the Planet
of the Apes twenty twenty five version of Gandhi, which
I have not seen. Yeah, I'm not sure if you
wouldn't know him, he may have seen his name, you know,
maybe because I know you love you. I was just
trying to perhaps your glossy mags.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
But but yeah, I thought as an actor he did
all right for you, portraying what he had to.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, I think I thought he was. He was as
good as the other kids, you know, and maybe his
role was maybe a little easier because he was perhaps
a little one note where you know, he just had
to be like but like you said, it was it
was he was he one hundred per baddie or was
he just still trying to figure things out? And then
maybe when he got on the wrong side of Harry,
(34:51):
he became a little bit more, you know, kind of
angrier or use earlier.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
They're all sort of you know, there's older kids already established,
but that was sort of equalist. Normally, if he's sort
of the baddie, he'd be like a foot taller than
Harry and a bit. But they are all very like.
You could have picked he. All he had to do
is smile and all of a sudden, No, he's the
nice guy. Yeah, he didn't have the the cliche traits
(35:17):
of a badie physically physically.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Now I would you watch the
rest of the like you have an appetite that go
to the chamber of secrets.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I do just out of intrigue to see where it goes.
I will look at the running time.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I might watch them all in part, sometimes parts in part.
Often when there's a trilogy involved, I will get my
guests to cover like Wali Ali covered all the Star
Wars films. Lint McGregor did the three Godfather films. I'm
not going to make you come back for seven Harry
(36:01):
Potter films.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
So there's eight.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
There's eight, yes, So I mean you know you don't
have to rush through them. You can do it in
your own time. Obviously, there's no deadline like having to
talk about it on the podcast in my my vibe
with them for some reason, I just I just never
they never spoke to me. And there's so many people
who love the movies as much as they love the books.
(36:23):
I'm happy for them. You're you've seen something in it
that I that I didn't connect with. Yeah, but yeah,
and they do get darker as they go along. They
have different directors who come in. Some do a better
job than others. Can does one and I thought he
was particularly good. And for memory, I thought it came
(36:44):
home the last it comes home in pretty good shape.
I think, yeah, So, yeah, it's interesting the three dynamic. Actually,
the Harry Himoni and Ron does have the classic Star
Wars again. It is you know, if Luke is Harry
and hers rupid and and you almost got that kind
of as they get a bit older, as you know
(37:06):
who likes who? Here is Harry like Hermione, there's the money.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Like, yeah, that's what I was the thing because I
sort of know those relationships where they end up. So
I was like trying to pick up on cues in
the first one, but I do. I think I got
caught up in I love the the first act of
a film like this, The discovery. And I think that,
(37:32):
like the film Unbreakable, how that is one act of
Bruce willis discovering he's a superhero. It's essentially what should
be a three film, but it's basically what what would
be a one act in any other film. That's what
I'm I saying Harry Potter leading up to the Quidditch
(37:52):
That's what I love like him, even just which one
is his I love thee I love all that stuff
of discovering. I don't think I just wanted that drawn
out more.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, and you do like I connected with some of
that stuff of like the excitement I've never obviously received
a wand but the excitement of having you know, discovery, Yeah,
discovering things and whether the gifts or you know, something
at school or friends, you know, like this is I
mentioned in the intro. This is like Ron and Hermione,
(38:22):
which I think is really powerful. He's really his first friends.
Yeah under the stairs. Yeah, so I think that's really
kind of a beautiful thing. And I think the thing
with his parents, you know, and in fact, let's have
a listen to Dumbledore kind of explaining what happened and
why he was protected.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
How did do you know why Professor Quirrel couldn't bear
to have you touched him. It was because of your mother.
She sacrificed herself for you. And that kind of act
leaves a mark. I don't know. This kind of mark
cannot be seen. It lives in your very skill.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Love marry, love to love Harry?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Of course it is, that's what you need. I wonder
if you know far bit for me to try and improve.
And already film that's done, already proved.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Itself, but let's start writing some.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
That almost because I did like it, But I wonder
if at the start, how all for the whole first
part of it, everyone knows who he is as soon
as they say, oh, you're Harry Potter. So he's wondering,
how does everyone know who I am? Who am I?
I wonder if it would have been better if only
a couple of people knew or who he was? And
(39:50):
then it was because he's sort of already told you're special.
When and then when they had the they first have
their broom flying lesson and the teacher says, stand next
to your broom and the left for your hand, and
say up, I think, and the broom comes up and
Harry's goes up straight away. Yeah, and a few others
(40:11):
get it, but it's not a big moment. It's just like,
oh he got wh' straight away. I would have loved
it if that was a huge moment where everyone was
trying and Harry's just already got his and they're like,
how did you do that? Who is this? And then
he starts to realize, Oh, I'm I can do this.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I think it's an interesting point. Actually, you're right. It
was a bit of a nothing moment in a way,
because he said some people got it and some didn't. Yeah,
I think, but.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
He got it straight away, but it wasn't a big deal. Yeah, yeah,
mind it was, Yeah, because he should have been if
he was doubting himself, like I don't belong here, and
then all of a sudden his power is clearly more
powerful than everyone else's. It's like, oh, hang on, who
am I?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I just think there was some like opportunities that weren't
taken advantage of. Yeah, of him, they sort of just
go some straight away. They're trying to convince him you're special. Yeah,
and it's a it's a given.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And also like I'm almost sure how you do this,
and yeah, it always feels weird when you we are
obviously talking about a classic piece, you know, popular culture,
one of the most successful movies books. But I wonder
if there's a version of this movie where Harry doesn't
necessarily want to go to Hogwarts or does or wants to.
(41:31):
I mean, it's it's hard because he's living conditions previously
so awful that you don't want him to want to
go back to that. It's had to believe that he
would want to go back to that. But yeah, he
kind of just wander like this goes so wide eyes
wide open that there's no kind of there's no resistance,
no resistance or no wariness of like, oh, hang on,
(41:54):
is this you're right?
Speaker 3 (41:55):
There is another version where they have to convince him, yeah,
to go Yeah, where it's like you're offering someone who's
living in hell to get on a train, to get
and that's all you need to say is like, yeah,
get me out of here. Yeah, It's like it's a
very easy jump.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, and he kind of adapts kind of quickly. He's
not you don't see any kind of pain or you know,
even though the parents are there, like like.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, he doesn't make a sacrifice to get there or anything,
which you know it's it could be just you know,
you're following the structure of story too much.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, I think I have a wounded worry me reading
the book. But as a film, for some reason, that
could have made it more interesting.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I loved again because I got to see it with
commentary on Castaway, the Tom Hanks film, when he's stuck
on the island. Originally they had a cruise ship pulls
up and he ends up. They see him and he
gets off the island, and it might have been Spielberg
or someone like that said nut I said, he has
(43:02):
to get himself off the iye, you got to figure
that out. He has to and that's and they said,
that's always the case. The hero has to find the
find their way out of a situation or to to triumph.
And I've just I've kept that in mind with whenever
I'm watching something and you're right at the start of this,
(43:22):
it's like he's just, you know, Harry is just like
given the golden ticket to get on the train and
ushered along, rather than there's no sacrifice on his part.
I remember watching I'm Sorry, We're veering off a bit here,
but it annoyed me. The movie Spotlight, when that one
best Oscar. There's a scene in that where I must
(43:43):
have just seen the commentary with the castaway thing, where
it's basically it's towards the end the guy the main
thing he has to get is going and convince this
guy to sign off and then they're good with the
Confessions of the Priest or whatever, and all that happens.
The guy just says, no, I'm not signing that, and
he's like, oh, okay, and he leaves, goes to get
(44:03):
in his car. Guy comes out and goes, okay, give
it to me, I'll sign it. Well, that's just lazy.
Like that really got to me that that one best awesome,
best picture the Oscars.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I did enjoy spot but and I'll be stretching myself
to kind of really analyze that that scene, but.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Like, yeah, you should just scroll and go back to
it and have a look.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, you certainly have scenes in movies where you know,
I've seen that scene before where you think somebody's gone
it's like, no, there's there's no way I'm getting into
that car. There in the car, Yeah, and that I
can understand that works, But you need to do the
work beforehand to kind of see the reasons. You need
to understand the reasons why they did change their mind
that they maybe the audience we heard the reasoning why
(44:52):
they should get in the car, but they it took
them a bit longer, you know, and that that that
can work.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
But here's a good one in harry Or where there
was an opportunity when and I don't know why, but
he just sort of leaves him on his own and
gives him the ticket for nine and three quarters. So
go find that, Like you've taken him all this way,
but you won't show him where the platform actually is.
That he asked someone else and then he's just watching
(45:18):
those other kids run through the pillar. And that could
be a moment where all right, does he have the
ability to run through this wall? And he asked the lady.
She goes, yeah, yeah, just just line up in between
and run through. And he just does it. Like that
could have been a moment where it took him a
couple of goes or something something. Yeah, it was just
(45:41):
the next thing, you know, we're in.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I do wonder sometimes if they knowing that, they would
have known that they've got you know, two hundred paid
scripts or something, you know, like how weary they were that, Yeah,
we need to get through this.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
That's what I was just saying. So many moments, Yeah
that there moments that had a lot of juice in him.
They've just sort of gone pass them. Yeah, like even
the guy what's the big guy what's his character's name again,
he's got the baby dragging. Yeah, you see, that was
like we didn't even need to see that, but it's
sure it might come later. Setting up for it, Yeah,
because I did notice to when he gets through the
(46:16):
platform and sees the train Hogwarts train, and then we
just cut to an exterior shot of the train traveling
already and he's in there. I'm like, I guarantee there
was like no script or they filmed him actually getting
on the train and meeting people, because it seemed like
they've cut something there. Let's move it along.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, I know that there are deleted scenes, and you
wonder how how long the film would have been. Yeah,
all the scenes were kept in. Let's wrap up because
I need to let you get out of here.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
But the we've annoyed enough Harry Potter.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Fans, please just yes.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Oh yeah, by the way, I'm saying I like it,
you like it, and I just wish I saw what
If I saw this as a kid, I would I
would be completely hooked.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
I feel the same way. I think as much as
there are adults who do love this film, for me,
seeing this as a kid would have blown my mind. Yeah,
I think I think just came up at the wrong time.
I love Magic Far Away too growing up, and it
feels like that fantastical world, like never ending story. Yeah,
huge in my life. Yeah yeah, so yes, he's in
(47:28):
fun Facts. So Alec Ginness was actually offered the role
of Dumbledore. They had him in the said he passed
away not long before production. Richard Harris had trouble remembering
his line. So this is a lovely story that Daniel
Radcliffe noticed this and would ask him as a favor,
would he mind helping him with his lines, and then
(47:49):
in turn obviously helping Richard Harris with his line. So
that's that rings true of the Daniel Radcliffe that I've
met over the years. Child actors do their actual schoolwork
in the movie. When you see them doing they make
it seem more authentic and maybe to get around the
tutoring laws platform for those who don't know. Nine to
(48:12):
three quarters is filmed at King Scruss. I think you
may have mentioned that earlier. Yeah, I was there, not
long aer Harry Daniel Radcliffe. They want to be so
faithful to the book that they wanted him to have
green eyes, which apparently he's described his having green eyes,
so he had green contacts pretty early on scene one
Negre to see he was like his eyes were watering,
(48:33):
of course in pain. They got rid of that. Also
Hermion he was has buck teeth in the in the
books and she was going to wear buck teeth and
she could barely talk. So that was Kai Boshed Robin
Williams campaign to be in the movie, and j K said, no, wow,
sticking with her, you know British kind of rule.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
That's if you did the misdoubt Fire accent.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, exactly that. He worked with Chris Columbus on Doubt
Fire and others. So what I mean, God, JK. I
respect people who go, you know, I'm taking a stamp
because when so the movie as I'm sure you know,
he's called the Sorcerer's Stone in the US. Everywhere else
it's a philosopher's stone. But the book company just said,
(49:21):
Americans will be confused. Amics can't seem to then take
that second or third thought. And they said philosophers, Philosopher's
stone will be a foreign concept, but for some reason
sorcerer's stone is more familiar to them. And JK agreed.
She just said, and she really regrets it. She said,
at the time, I was a struggling author. This is
(49:42):
obviously before. This is for the book, not the movie.
So she's a struggling author. She was in no position
to fell like she could say no. So interesting a
lot of these choices she made. You obviously see the evolution.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's sticking to the English rule is impressive.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
You seen no of Robin Williams and who's gonna work
basically for free?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, and you can say, oh I wish one will
he was in it all, but it's paid off for
it because it's Harry Potter. It does have that feel
about it that when you're in the Harry Potter world,
there's no other world like it. Yeah, whereas if you
had it, let it get americanized for lack of a
better term, who knows, like you say, Robert Williams, once
(50:24):
you open that door, and any American is in it,
and now you're on a different set and you've probably
got there's probably a coke vending machine at Hogwarts.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
That there's guns. Obviously, you do like because Star Wars
does have this kind of array of kind of accents,
even though the death start is often English access weirdly,
but maybe JK has seen that and kind of gone, no,
I want as the feel like you have. You know,
(50:56):
they're all the same world. It did mean when they
shot the movie they had to come every time the
philosophers Stone was mentioned, had to shoot the scene twice
of stone, so that would have been a pain in
the ass.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Probably why they didn't mention it the first half.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
They couldn't be bothered, shoehorned him later JK around. I
also requested the scar be off center in the book.
It's never specified. I think some of the drawings have
it closer to the middle, but yeah, she wanted the
scar to be off center, so that was one of
her things. So mate, there you go. That is Harry
(51:32):
Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. There's your world feel bigger now.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, I'm definitely glad I've watched it. I feel it's
a monkey off my back. I can stop living the
life and yeah, and I get the hype. The hype
is validated. Yeah, I will say that.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Well, mate, this podcast comes with homework, and I appreciate
you digging in and doing two and a half hours worth.
Jane Kennedy, still the Clubhouse Leader, watched all three director's
cut of Lord of the Rings. Wow for this podcast.
So but your way ahead of Sampang, who watched an
eighty eight minute movie The Castle. So you got him.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
Had he not seen the cast?
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I know it's it's become part of the folklore of
this podcast that it's remarkable that you hadn't seen a
movie made by his employers. So it's the kind of
man Sam Pang is. Mate, thank you so much for
having me. It's fun, a joy to see you. I
mentioned in the intro that I have admired the way
(52:31):
you have carved out your comedy career. You have not
waited for people to call you, which so many comics to.
It's very easy to fall into that trap.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Would still be waiting you you.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You got off your ass and you have invested time,
your talent, brought other people into your world and created
your own industry. And I really admire it mate, and yeah,
well done.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Appreciate that mate, Thank you so much, and we'll see
you are in the traps. We'll do
Good ay, Pete Hall, are you here? Welcome to you
Ain't seeing nothing yet the Movie Podcast. We're our chat
to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie
they haven't quite got around to watching until now. In
today's guest comedian Troy Kenney, all below, I want.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
To study you with you, hettle jobber, my hat snake shucked,
my hail.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You haven't any right, so you ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Troy Kenny has returned. Thanks Trov, coming all the way
back into the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
No worries realitiate it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Last week, of course, your three favorite films were Boogie Knights,
Dirty One, Scandals and Donny Brasco. It was really a
lot of fun talking about those three films. Great films.
But now it's the moment of truth you have picked
and actually Juggernaut. Like I said, it's hard to imagine
or think of anything that's had left a bigger footprint
(01:25):
in the pop cultural landscape than Harry Potter over the
last thirty years. Of the amount of eight movies, Harry
Potter movies and the Fantastic Beasts franchise, you know, obviously
the books, the plays, it's huge, It looms large there
wouldn't be very few people in the world wouldn't know
who Harry Potter was. It's probably the Star Wars of
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you know, this generation. So yeah, no Press to Troy.
Directed by Chris Columbus, of course, starring Daniel Redcliffe, Emma Watson,
Rupert Green who have since become household names, many many more.
We'll get to the cast, I'm sure soon. But did
you enjoy Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I did, and I was I wish I had watched
it when it first came in because it is a
film where I mean, in the first few scenes I
was I was sort of kicking myself. I'm like, oh,
I would have really got into this when I was
around the hype of it. So I did feel silly
that I hadn't seen it, and that's why I picked it,
(02:30):
because you know, there's a few other films I've seen
that are, you know, not as popular. But I thought,
I've got so many friends or people in my world
where this is their favorite film. Yeah, and it's so
weird that I hadn't seen it, And yeah, I can
admit I get what the hype is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Have you, I know, you just watched it last night.
But last week you did mention that there were some
times where you almost had tricked yourself into thinking you
had seen the film. Have you made a few calls
or do you plan on making a few calls going
listen now, I actually have watched it, and you know what,
it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I'm scared of people hearing this because I have, like
we said a bit last last time, I've done so
much touristy things to do with Harry Potter and played
the role of someone who loves Harry Potter by photo
in front of the tree, which I still don't know
what the tree is. That's obviously coming up in a
sequel that I have to watch. I've I think I
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sent you a video of the nine and three quarters platform,
but the train station have been there, and I've gone
into Harry Potter stores and bought gifts for friends like
nephew and two young girls that live next door to me,
And so I've seen all these things and now finally
they're making sense. Like why I remember we did it
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was in lockdown we did you could do the test
to see what house you were, and I got slytherin.
Oh yeah, and the girls from next Door with oh,
so I went, ah, yeah, that's a shame. I've got
no idea what it meant. Now I get it. So yeah,
I've been living a life for a long time. I'm
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gonna have to come clean. Or I could just like
double down and start up the conversations again with a
bit more confident.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I just want to circle back to that conversation we
had seventeen years ago. Well, let's I saw so. I
saw this film when it came out. Obviously there's a
lot of you know, it was huge. It was absolutely massive.
The film came out. My when you told me you
wanted to do Harry Potter, I was a bit like,
but I love the story you had around it one
(04:40):
because I was like, well, it's a bigger book than
a movie. And then I spoke to a friend about
it and they said, no, it's it's a big enough movie.
And you yeah, there's broken records and it was nominated
for Oscars and it's certainly beloved.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
If it's not a classics, I've been on the Harry
Potter ride at Universal Studios. It's a big movie. People
know about it. Yeah, nobody's going Harry Potter World.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
That is googling Harry Potter right now. It's going to
catch up. What's this movie they're talking about? But I
think for me, it it left me and I was
looking forward to watching it again to see, okay, I
haven't watched it since it came out. Maybe I try
to give it another go it lets it leaves me
a little cold, because it kind of I feel, And
(05:24):
I preface it by saying, I think I said it
last week, but I'll say it again. I'm so glad
Harry Potter exists, and that I'm so glad that people
love it, you know, that it got kids reading and
then and then if then if they love the movies,
it maybe got people going to the cinema, you know.
So I there's nothing that I have against Harry Potter,
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you know, I just kind of felt like it's got
one foot in the kids movie camp and one foot
in the kind of adult camp. And obviously they develop
as the series goes on, so they do age up,
so it does get done as the kid's going to
get older, which I think would be like, what your
points are a really good one? Like I was, you know,
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twenty seven, twenty eight, when the movies come out you know, so.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I was twenty three when Harry Potter came out.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, so it's not it's not the age.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And now that I think of it, all the friends
I have where it's their favorite movie, they're probably you know,
almost ten years younger than me. Yeah, so it's their
prime pickings for Yeah, it's it's their Goonies, is Harry.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yes, exactly right if you watch Goonies yea even now
and they are remaking it, which you know, we will
see how it works out. But yeah, I can understand it.
You may not love Goonies, yeah at all. Yeah. Because
also the special effects. I was like surprised last night
going they're not as good as I kind of remembered
and have reasons. Chris Columbus, the director, who he was
(06:55):
not happy with the special effects. He said they felt
rushed and he made sure they had more time for
the follow up from the Chamber of Secrets, but it
went under to be nominated for the best effects of it.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
What Hell like Jurassic Park had come out then that
was sort of the first cgi of moving what.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
A Star Wars The star was prequeenly started so.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Terminated too had been like here, so they really should
have up the game with the special effects.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The technology was there.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, and I was kind of had this feeling that
it was all to me. It feels like it's all
been done on a sound stage. Nothing feels real with that,
and I was surprised doing some research there were quite
a few real locations actually used. There's a little USSI
connection actually, the the grigots with the things. The bank
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is actually the really Australian High Commission in London. So
but it just felt like everything was on a sound stage.
Even when they were outside, they were never really outside.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Interesting you say that because now looking back, I'm having
the same feelings because I said to your last time
that when I was trying to work out why I
hadn't watched it, because I found a confusing that I
wouldn't watch a film that everyone's going on about because
that's sort of my main hobby and I've never been
attracted to period pieces in film, and in my head,
(08:16):
I always looked at this as a period piece, even
though it's not. I mean period pieces that are sort
of you know, back like down to the Abbey time. Yeah,
I like it when it's in a world where I
can relate to and I feel like when I started
watching Harry Potter, I'm like, oh, this is you know,
it's a kid living in a Bristol or something, and
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it's like a kid's dream that you get a letter
that you're going to be going to a wizard.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I was so into all that aspect of it. Then
when they get there, and like you said, it starts
to become unfamiliar. They're in a world where the creatures
are coming out, and I just thought I start to
detach a bit from it there. I like when it
was still a boy who's like finding this as mysterious
as I would in real life. But then suddenly it
(09:06):
just it became when they get to where they're playing
the chess game, I'm like, this has now just become
episodes of task Master just loading them up with and
they were getting weirder and weirder. Where I guess I
like it if it's said in a bit more reality.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, it's fascinating, that, isn't it, Because you would think
that then going to Hogwarts, you know, a wizard school
that and there are fascinating things that happened that that
would that that should be really tantalizing and fascinating and thralling,
but you didn't find that at all, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Like at the start when he's at the zoo and
the snake acknowledges him and he is like, oh my god,
I was so into that. That was cool and because
he's doing the same emotion I would. And then by
the end there's a you know, Voldemort was talking out
the back of a guy's head. It's like, well, now
this is we've jumped like ten rungs on the ladder.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's a bit silly.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Now talking snake I can relate to. But I just
I don't know. I went into a world of monsters
and rather than magic. Yeah, yeah, the captivating stuff that
you'd sort of relate to wizardry. But when it sort
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of just became like I feel like they're just in
a boardroom, right, think of something scary? Bang? All right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Done? Yeah, they felt like there was a bit of
ticking of boxes going on this, you know, like it's
a this does set up the series, and I think
it does. Listen, I think it does a pretty good job.
Like I'm going to put my little indifference to the
movie aside and focus on what they do. Well, I
don't want to stand leaving another. We've got to listen
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to five experts. But yeah, also, I think before I
move on to the more positive stuff, I really like
Daniel Raycliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint. I think I
met Daniel Radcliffe a few times. I don't think I've
met the other two, and he's one of the loveliest
people considering the life he's gone and been cast. His
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parents are really reluctant to have him be part of
this movie. Christopher Columbus saw him in a film and
really he really wanted him and that his parents were
like no, they're very protective obviously, and they're like, no,
it's not for him. They auditioned.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
They feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We imagine there's room for another Harry on an extension
on the.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Third hour, five thousand Kids. They audition and the carting
director is starting to get a little bit frustrated with
Christopher Columbus because she just thinks he's just got his
head set on Daniel Radcliffe that he can't see anyone
else really, so that would be frustrating if she if
she knows that Daniel Radcliffe is unavailable, but he's just like, no, no,
I can't move on. And then one day the producer
(12:04):
this is the story, you know, it happens to go
see a movie with one of the casting director or
maybe in Christopher Columbus and Daniel Radcliffe is also in
the cinema with his dad, and they kind of like
approached him after the movie and have a little chat
with them and kind of convince them, you know, will
protect you. And it sounds like they were liberally there
to yeahalking stalking the radcliffs. But so he's a phenomenal yeah,
(12:29):
you know young man than your Redcliffe. I think it's
tend to a really good actor. Has made some really
interesting films over the years. The performances in at least
in his first film, don't quite stack up for me.
I just kind of thought, like, not terrible, but these
are the leads and then they need to convince you,
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and I can just see the kids acting.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, I didn't feel that. When you first see Emma
Watson and mind You, I was finding myself and because
I've seen them all as adults now, so it was
it was a reminder I'm watching an old film, yes,
but on when she first comes in and meets them
on the train and does her dialogue there and as
she walks out, stops comes back in my head. I
(13:16):
was thinking, what did the other takes look like that?
It's very hit your mark here, turn around and say this,
like you do notice the acting? Yeah, yeah, I was
giving it a passau. It's a kid's film. You know,
you don't notice that when you're watching as a kid.
But like you said, it's got a foot in the
kids territory of foot in the adults.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But also, you know, we just had this kid win
an Emmy for you know, the Youngest Best Actor for Adolescents.
What an extraordinary performance that was. So you can find
kids who can knock it out of the park. Now,
obviously the kids have done a good job, because you know,
if they do a terrible job, then the whole thing
doesn't work. I mean, the pressure on Christopher Columbus for
this movie, so he was an American American filmmaker, Missus, Doubtfire,
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Stepman by Centennial Man, some of the films he's made.
The pressure on him and I've heard him speak about
it like knowing there's eight there's going to be eight books,
and if this first one doesn't work, then it's kind
of on him because he's making a lot of these
choices and he has to get the kids, the kids right.
(14:23):
So yeah, so they did, they do a good job
the kids. But I just for me, and they do
get better. From my memory I've seen, I think I've
seen all the films. They do get better. They do better,
which is understandable. One thing they say about the kids
is they don't because they're going through puberty at the
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various times. They don't. Kind of it's quite miraculous. Miraculous
in a way, and I think maybe Christopher Columbus commented
on it. None of them went through that kind of
phase of like that awkward puberty on screen where you
kind of go, it's it's almost you know, hard to
look at from them as an audience member because you're
going to go, oh, they're going through something. Yeah, kind
(15:05):
of a bit private for them. And now their their
their voices, you know, change and it's all happening on camera.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Change is the main thing is.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, it's manly for modern families, just gonna you can't
and it's it's all good for everybody. You know, it's
not good for them. It's it's all good audience members.
But they kind of I think navigated that pretty well.
Warner Brothers was going to make this as an animated
series because they were they were fearful that instead of yeah,
(15:33):
and merge some of them, not make eight films that
merge some of the stories. And because I worried about
the kids aging and and will they can you sign
them up for you know these contracts and and Warner Brothers,
so J. K. Rowling said no, it needs to be.
It needs to be eight live action films.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I don't know if I because I watched it
later it night. I mean, you gave me a week
to watch this thing, and of course I've waited to
the last night. In my head, I was telling me, oh,
so it'll be fresh in my head. I'm like, I
just didn't get around to it. And I don't know
if it was a factor that I wanted to go
to sleep, but I did think and this, I genuinely
(16:16):
think this of all films. I'm like, it's a.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Bit long, and it's two and a half hours.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, and when when the quidditch game? Am I pronouncing
that right?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Quidditch?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Quidditch? I just heard Sam yelling at me.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Some pronounced it wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The Quidditch game. I feel like after that, I was like,
oh that we're wrapping of a victory and I pressed
the remote to see I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
We're half Whereas I.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Think you could have stretched it, you know, out, And
the Quidditch game was the finale in some way, because
I think for me that was I loved the world.
They're learning how to be wizards and all that, and
then when it starts creeping away from that, that's when
it started to lose me a bit.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you to an extent, but
I do think it needs to have that danger set up,
that this world will get darker and there are darker
forces coming for Harry. I do love like there were
so many great questions in this in this series, and
this has comes from the book. There are changes made
from the book to the to the movie, but I
(17:22):
do love the amount of things that you are you
are wondering about, you know, the questions that you have,
like Voldemort is like who is this Voldemort? You know
you know that the death of his parents and and yeah,
there are just so many things and this even touchstones
as as an adolescent that you would be so excited
(17:44):
about when Harry when they Harry meets Ran on the
train before her comes in and he basically, you know,
Ron's got this wrapped up ball of a sandwich, you know,
in clean wrap, and Harry buys the train, which is
basically an adult version of them going on a bender.
They has eating everything, They've got the bellies full, they're
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having a great time, and they bonded.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
That was the difference to me watching it as an
adult because when he said we'll take the lot and
got all these coins out, my first thought was that's
so irresponsible, But what if you need money later?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I did have a question which maybe you can shed
some light on. So Harry's living with the Dursleys, who
don't treat him well, He's living under the stairs. They
locked the thing, and I'm not sure what he does
when he needs a piss at night late maybe that
you just don't But is he pissing in jars? I
don't know. I don't know. I'm probably glad they left
that out, but it did. It was going to be
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your question what would you do in that situation? And
then the owl start coming leaving the letters from Hogwarts
and the Dursley's kind of get the wind of this,
they clearly don't like him, and then they don't do.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The nth degree right away when we first see the
is it his uncle uncle? Yeah, Vernon And that's when
I was I was asking myself, oh, so has he
already showed signs of that he's doing magic tricks? Because
he says no funny business like yelling in his face,
and I'm like, what does he mean by Obviously he's
referring to something else he's done, but he just means no, just.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Behave I wonder and Harry Potter fans, if you're still
with us, let us know on the on the speak pipe,
if there's anything that we get wrong or you want
to correct, or let's let us know. Please jump on
the speak pipe. We'll play I can play it next
next week.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Because then when he he locks his cousin, essentially I
guess in with this or in the snake yes enclosure.
The dad looked straight to him as if you've had
something to do with.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This, I suspect that is it? Just I suspect they know. Okay,
they know, and maybe that is why they.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Could be angering a lot of people that I haven't.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, no, but I you know you kind of They said,
you've watched this for the first time. I've seen it
now maybe three times and over, you know, twenty years,
and it wasn't obvious to me, but I suspect they
would know, maybe because it's there. They're like one of
their sisters, their brothers, I guess, yeah, and they're wary
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of it. So that's what I like. What then, why
when the ours come and then they clearly want to
take Harry away? Why are they fighting it? Yeah, like
they go after this weird ireland in this weird kind
of cabin.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And that crept up on me. I was like, yeah,
I look at my phone. I missed something here. We
suddenly in this I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Sure that's more explained more in the book, but in
the movie it's like why I needed a bit more
information just on why where was this place? Because why
did they go there? Because they clearly didn't like him.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They there's hatred for him, but it's like they're protecting
him as well.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Is there a monetary kind of value in him having it?
Are they getting paid a bored him?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, it's a bit unclear.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I just felt like that that would have been nice.
So okay, So I was wondering if you had spotted
anything in regards to that. I mean, the cast is incredible,
like outside of the kids who now become household names
and you know people now we're watching Harry Potter for
those names.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I was disappointed that we who's and you'll have to
say the character's name head of a Slytherin Malfoy A Snape? Yes,
and what's he?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Do?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You know? His real name?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Alan Rickman? Alan?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I always confuse him with the other die hard baddie
Jeremy Iron. So yeah, I was because you know, it
is cool that they thought he was, you know, putting
a on Harry brow him stuff, and it two is
that he was trying to help him and you find
that out, It's like, oh he was sort of a
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good guy. There's no scene with them finding that out
with him. I would like to have.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Seen, well even at the end when actual.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Evidence of him being better than they thought he was.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, when Dumbledore says on the Stone's been dealt with, well,
is that not worth putting on that?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And for me too, how I said the movie after
the Quidditch game, has the sorcer of Stone been mentioned?
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Then?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I feel like it just gets mentioned after that, it's like,
that's a long time to go with the main part
of the movie hasn't even been planted.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yes, I feel like they're juggling two things. They're juggling
setting up this world and how he is and this
world of Hogwarts, and then the story that goes into
you know, which is about the philosophers Stone like, so
the part of the story that's going to give the
action and the darkness and all of that stuff. So
because your point earlier, Yeah, there's a version of this
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movie where it doesn't after Quidditch, and it's a nice
gentle setting up of you know, well.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Not necessarily like the movie should end after Quidditch. But
I'm saying there's a movie just in the Wizard School
of at Hogwarts where it's Harry discovering I actually do
belong here. There's a whole movie just in that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, yeah, it's almost like a you know, smaller coming
of age type movie.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Whether they need more movies. And by the way, the
things I'm pointing out are almost positive in that. How
I said I wanted to see the scene with Rickman,
I'm like, it's a good problem to have that you
couldn't squeeze. Yeah, it just means I like that character.
I wanted to see more.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, of J. K. Rowling gave Alan Rickman a bit
of like direction as far as what snape how his
future kind of pans out that was not even in
the books yet, like that only revealed in the final book.
So to give him the ability to play the characters
(24:10):
as real as possible and as faithful as possible based
on who he actually who's really Yeah, yeah, so that's fascinating.
But like the cast is just who's who of iconic
British actors. Sadly a lot of them are gone. Yeah,
Richard Harris plays Dumbledore. He was replaced by Michael Gambon.
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Another legendary actor, Richard Griffiths. I don't think's with us anymore.
With Nail and k I fans, you know, he's just
like such a He plays Uncle Vernon Dursley. So what
an iconic, unbelievable presence and face and physicality that man has. Yeah,
he's just incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
What's the Matte LeBlanc episode is at the start of
that as the original right, that's right, Yes, the original
show they did. He was the main character that they
try to transfer him over to the American version. That's
just I think as soon as he does an American accent,
it's the same dialogue. It was just not funny anymore.
(25:18):
But I just even though it's just a small role
in that, he was so good in that he made
you believe, oh, this is bad. He was the head
of the whole other series. Like but the other series
doesn't exist. But in my head, I'm like, I really
so yeah, him just portraying that character for really the
opening the first act of an episode, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, Saw is in there. Who I wouldn't have
known Shaw when I first watched Harry Potter, but more
we recently years. Fianna Shaw's had a big couple of yearsues.
She was great and killing Eve and and and or.
For Star Wars fans, she plays the auntie you got
Maggie Smith, who sadly passed away about a year ago.
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John Hurt Warrick Davis, he's in there. So JK. Rowling
had a hard and fast rule that only people from
Britain or Ireland, you know, the British Isles could play
play roles. So Vern Troyer is in there. Really yeah,
Mini me, but he's voiced by Warrick Davis. So yeah,
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so there was a there's a kid I.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Reckon I might have recognized just his I remember seeing
someone where the movements. I was like, that's familiar, but
I was assuming I'm looking for Warrick Davis. But it's
not Warrick Davis.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
How maybe that's Vern troy Vern Troyer. There was a
guy called Liam Aitken who was offered the role. They
got the role, had it for twenty four hours, but
it was revoked because JK. Rowling found out he was American.
We're not having so it was just really like really
committed to having so imagine.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
How he isn't the Olympics, mate.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Imagine imagine even in hindsight, knowing that you Harry Potter
for twenty four hours, and it could it could have
been because I must say I haven't heard of Leemak
and he's in the movie Step Mum with Christopher Columbus, So.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Brice Springsteen recorded a song called I'll Stand by You
You Always, and that was also cut from the Cup
from the film. I mean, imagine having a Britce Springsteen
record a song for you. Yeah, and then it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
What else did you thing? Born in the USA? Off,
you go, Off, you Go.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Julie Walters is in there, John Cleese, of course, Alan Rickman.
It's just and then the cast gets bigger as a
lot of Ray Fines obviously is brilliant, one of my
favorite actors as Voldemort. Yeah, it's it's it's so good.
Another you know, a little spin off they could have done.
Hagrid talked about going down the Pub you know a bit.
(27:55):
This is a little spin off series with Haggrid down
the cub Robbie Coltrane has he's no longer with a
sadly but that could work.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, because he has a few scenes stealing moments. So
it's like, oh, there's more for this. I mean, I'm
sure the character comes back.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
He does, and I think but I think it's a
good point. I think Hagrid is a really important character
in this film because he does he's almost you know,
he's almost he's almost one of the protagonists in a way,
like he does get the action moving. He has ground
it as well. He's he's funny, he's very likable and
with the kids still finding their feet, both characters and actors,
(28:33):
I think He gives a real presence that you feel
safe when he's around.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, I think, yeah, definitely, you're right. When he first
comes in, knocks the door down and just sort of says,
how you doing, He's just set the tone.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
He's almost a chewbacker of the of the series. I
refuse to see any film like this without looking through
the prison of Star Wars.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's good for me to see the stylug when they
first go. He takes Harry to is it diagon Alley
where they all the wizard shops and stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That was really cool.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
So that's what I loved. So I've at Harry Potter
World at Universe whatever, i'd seen that and in Edinburgh.
Apparently Victoria Street in Edinburgh is where JK. Rowling got
some inspiration for that look. Whether that's true or not,
I don't know, but I took a photo of it
in case, even though I hadn't seen the film. But
that's where I understood because I remember being at Harry
(29:32):
Potter World and thinking if I had seen Harry Potter
because I'd been to Star Wars World as well at Disneyland,
and that was incredible because you're walking through it and
it's like you're in Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I have been Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Lose your mind, but at the Harry Potter and I'm like,
I wish i'd seen it because I know I'd have
the same feeling. When I saw them go into Diageron Alley,
I was like, this is now. I get it. I
get why. I like what I said with when I
was talking about my three favorite films. Boogie Night's the
style and that's what I loved. I love seeing that.
And then when you get to Hogwarts, it's all there.
And that's probably why when it started to be a
(30:08):
bit dungeony and we're inside, it's sort of I missed
being and seeing all the Harry Potter world where it's
then getting into you know, monsters and stuff where I've
seen that in other movies. Keep me in the Harry
Potter world.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, that's that's that's really fascinating. You had a moment
where they obviously go to the Hogwarts and they're working
at who they are and they have the sorting hat
and let's listen.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh yeah, that's awesome as well. That's scene Caddy.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Potter m difficult, very difficult, plenty of courage. I see
(31:05):
not a bad mind either. There's talent, oh yes, and
a first to prove yourself. But where to put you?
Not Slitherin, not slyithering, not Slytherin. A Are you sure
you could be great? You know it's all here in
(31:27):
your head and Slytherin.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Will help you on the way to greatness. There's no
doubt about that. No, Well, if you're sure, better be.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Griffindor.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah. I liked it. I mean I thought that looked
really great. Yeah, some of the special effects didn't. Well,
I didn't love or they say to a vi age,
but that still looked really cool.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, and I know I've seen that hat at a
Harry Potter shop or something else. I mean, if people
we're getting a photo of it, and I did as well,
going I don't know what that is, but that's good
to know what I took a photo of many years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I do think the with the way they wrap up
the the scores at the end and they all the
bonus points that come. Oh, I mean, I mean the
brand Lame Metal or the dally Am. Can you imagine
Peter Blandis or or mister Dylan at the AFL kind
of getting up there and going and an extra ten
(32:27):
votes for Nick Dakos.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, there was a classier way to do that. Let's
make the Slytherins think they've won, yeah, in the traditional way,
and then just you know, come and steamroll over all
their dreams.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Seeing a little ham fisted. What do you think of
dra Draco Malfoy, the blonde of villain looks like a
son of a lethal weapon.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, well, has he become someone else I would have
seen in the movies? I was trying to work that
good question. Tom felt in his name, I think is
harmony Emma? What's and had a bit of a crush
the first Well, I mean it's almost a Karate Kid scenario.
(33:08):
And when you can look back and realize Daniel was
a bit of a pricking at the start of Karate Kid. Yeah,
in that when right at the start he's not that
mean to Harry. He just says, oh you're Harry Potter,
I can help you whatever, and extends a handshake, and
Harry says, I think I can pick my own, thank
you very much, or I can't remember. Yes, he could
(33:30):
have shaken his hand like he hadn't shown signs he
was a real baddie quote unquote then.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I think my understanding is a memory of that
he kind of does kind of you know, ride that
line of being is he completely bad or is he
just isn't? Yeah, and he's he just under the influence
of parents or you know, will he redeem himself? So
(34:00):
he was also seen in the right of the Planet
of the Apes twenty twenty five version of Gandhi, which
I have not seen. Yeah, I'm not sure if you
wouldn't know him, he may have seen his name, you know,
maybe because I know you love you. I was just
trying to perhaps your glossy mags.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
But but yeah, I thought as an actor he did
all right for you, portraying what he had to.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, I think I thought he was. He was as
good as the other kids, you know, and maybe his
role was maybe a little easier because he was perhaps
a little one note where you know, he just had
to be like but like you said, it was it
was he was he one hundred per baddie or was
he just still trying to figure things out? And then
maybe when he got on the wrong side of Harry,
(34:51):
he became a little bit more, you know, kind of
angrier or use earlier.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
They're all sort of you know, there's older kids already established,
but that was sort of equalist. Normally, if he's sort
of the baddie, he'd be like a foot taller than
Harry and a bit. But they are all very like.
You could have picked he. All he had to do
is smile and all of a sudden, No, he's the
nice guy. Yeah, he didn't have the the cliche traits
(35:17):
of a badie physically physically.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Now I would you watch the
rest of the like you have an appetite that go
to the chamber of secrets.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I do just out of intrigue to see where it goes.
I will look at the running time.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I might watch them all in part, sometimes parts in part.
Often when there's a trilogy involved, I will get my
guests to cover like Wali Ali covered all the Star
Wars films. Lint McGregor did the three Godfather films. I'm
not going to make you come back for seven Harry
(36:01):
Potter films.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
So there's eight.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
There's eight, yes, So I mean you know you don't
have to rush through them. You can do it in
your own time. Obviously, there's no deadline like having to
talk about it on the podcast in my my vibe
with them for some reason, I just I just never
they never spoke to me. And there's so many people
who love the movies as much as they love the books.
(36:23):
I'm happy for them. You're you've seen something in it
that I that I didn't connect with. Yeah, but yeah,
and they do get darker as they go along. They
have different directors who come in. Some do a better
job than others. Can does one and I thought he
was particularly good. And for memory, I thought it came
(36:44):
home the last it comes home in pretty good shape.
I think, yeah, So, yeah, it's interesting the three dynamic. Actually,
the Harry Himoni and Ron does have the classic Star
Wars again. It is you know, if Luke is Harry
and hers rupid and and you almost got that kind
of as they get a bit older, as you know
(37:06):
who likes who? Here is Harry like Hermione, there's the money.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Like, yeah, that's what I was the thing because I
sort of know those relationships where they end up. So
I was like trying to pick up on cues in
the first one, but I do. I think I got
caught up in I love the the first act of
a film like this, The discovery. And I think that,
(37:32):
like the film Unbreakable, how that is one act of
Bruce willis discovering he's a superhero. It's essentially what should
be a three film, but it's basically what what would
be a one act in any other film. That's what
I'm I saying Harry Potter leading up to the Quidditch
(37:52):
That's what I love like him, even just which one
is his I love thee I love all that stuff
of discovering. I don't think I just wanted that drawn
out more.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, and you do like I connected with some of
that stuff of like the excitement I've never obviously received
a wand but the excitement of having you know, discovery, Yeah,
discovering things and whether the gifts or you know, something
at school or friends, you know, like this is I
mentioned in the intro. This is like Ron and Hermione,
(38:22):
which I think is really powerful. He's really his first friends.
Yeah under the stairs. Yeah, so I think that's really
kind of a beautiful thing. And I think the thing
with his parents, you know, and in fact, let's have
a listen to Dumbledore kind of explaining what happened and
why he was protected.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
How did do you know why Professor Quirrel couldn't bear
to have you touched him. It was because of your mother.
She sacrificed herself for you. And that kind of act
leaves a mark. I don't know. This kind of mark
cannot be seen. It lives in your very skill.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Love marry, love to love Harry?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Of course it is, that's what you need. I wonder
if you know far bit for me to try and improve.
And already film that's done, already proved.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Itself, but let's start writing some.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
That almost because I did like it, But I wonder
if at the start, how all for the whole first
part of it, everyone knows who he is as soon
as they say, oh, you're Harry Potter. So he's wondering,
how does everyone know who I am? Who am I?
I wonder if it would have been better if only
a couple of people knew or who he was? And
(39:50):
then it was because he's sort of already told you're special.
When and then when they had the they first have
their broom flying lesson and the teacher says, stand next
to your broom and the left for your hand, and
say up, I think, and the broom comes up and
Harry's goes up straight away. Yeah, and a few others
(40:11):
get it, but it's not a big moment. It's just like,
oh he got wh' straight away. I would have loved
it if that was a huge moment where everyone was
trying and Harry's just already got his and they're like,
how did you do that? Who is this? And then
he starts to realize, Oh, I'm I can do this.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I think it's an interesting point. Actually, you're right. It
was a bit of a nothing moment in a way,
because he said some people got it and some didn't. Yeah,
I think, but.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
He got it straight away, but it wasn't a big deal. Yeah, yeah,
mind it was, Yeah, because he should have been if
he was doubting himself, like I don't belong here, and
then all of a sudden his power is clearly more
powerful than everyone else's. It's like, oh, hang on, who
am I?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I just think there was some like opportunities that weren't
taken advantage of. Yeah, of him, they sort of just
go some straight away. They're trying to convince him you're special. Yeah,
and it's a it's a given.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And also like I'm almost sure how you do this,
and yeah, it always feels weird when you we are
obviously talking about a classic piece, you know, popular culture,
one of the most successful movies books. But I wonder
if there's a version of this movie where Harry doesn't
necessarily want to go to Hogwarts or does or wants to.
(41:31):
I mean, it's it's hard because he's living conditions previously
so awful that you don't want him to want to
go back to that. It's had to believe that he
would want to go back to that. But yeah, he
kind of just wander like this goes so wide eyes
wide open that there's no kind of there's no resistance,
no resistance or no wariness of like, oh, hang on,
(41:54):
is this you're right?
Speaker 3 (41:55):
There is another version where they have to convince him, yeah,
to go Yeah, where it's like you're offering someone who's
living in hell to get on a train, to get
and that's all you need to say is like, yeah,
get me out of here. Yeah, It's like it's a
very easy jump.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, and he kind of adapts kind of quickly. He's
not you don't see any kind of pain or you know,
even though the parents are there, like like.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, he doesn't make a sacrifice to get there or anything,
which you know it's it could be just you know,
you're following the structure of story too much.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, I think I have a wounded worry me reading
the book. But as a film, for some reason, that
could have made it more interesting.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I loved again because I got to see it with
commentary on Castaway, the Tom Hanks film, when he's stuck
on the island. Originally they had a cruise ship pulls
up and he ends up. They see him and he
gets off the island, and it might have been Spielberg
or someone like that said nut I said, he has
(43:02):
to get himself off the iye, you got to figure
that out. He has to and that's and they said,
that's always the case. The hero has to find the
find their way out of a situation or to to triumph.
And I've just I've kept that in mind with whenever
I'm watching something and you're right at the start of this,
(43:22):
it's like he's just, you know, Harry is just like
given the golden ticket to get on the train and
ushered along, rather than there's no sacrifice on his part.
I remember watching I'm Sorry, We're veering off a bit here,
but it annoyed me. The movie Spotlight, when that one
best Oscar. There's a scene in that where I must
(43:43):
have just seen the commentary with the castaway thing, where
it's basically it's towards the end the guy the main
thing he has to get is going and convince this
guy to sign off and then they're good with the
Confessions of the Priest or whatever, and all that happens.
The guy just says, no, I'm not signing that, and
he's like, oh, okay, and he leaves, goes to get
(44:03):
in his car. Guy comes out and goes, okay, give
it to me, I'll sign it. Well, that's just lazy.
Like that really got to me that that one best awesome,
best picture the Oscars.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I did enjoy spot but and I'll be stretching myself
to kind of really analyze that that scene, but.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Like, yeah, you should just scroll and go back to
it and have a look.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, you certainly have scenes in movies where you know,
I've seen that scene before where you think somebody's gone
it's like, no, there's there's no way I'm getting into
that car. There in the car, Yeah, and that I
can understand that works, But you need to do the
work beforehand to kind of see the reasons. You need
to understand the reasons why they did change their mind
that they maybe the audience we heard the reasoning why
(44:52):
they should get in the car, but they it took
them a bit longer, you know, and that that that
can work.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
But here's a good one in harry Or where there
was an opportunity when and I don't know why, but
he just sort of leaves him on his own and
gives him the ticket for nine and three quarters. So
go find that, Like you've taken him all this way,
but you won't show him where the platform actually is.
That he asked someone else and then he's just watching
(45:18):
those other kids run through the pillar. And that could
be a moment where all right, does he have the
ability to run through this wall? And he asked the lady.
She goes, yeah, yeah, just just line up in between
and run through. And he just does it. Like that
could have been a moment where it took him a
couple of goes or something something. Yeah, it was just
(45:41):
the next thing, you know, we're in.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I do wonder sometimes if they knowing that, they would
have known that they've got you know, two hundred paid
scripts or something, you know, like how weary they were that, Yeah,
we need to get through this.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
That's what I was just saying. So many moments, Yeah
that there moments that had a lot of juice in him.
They've just sort of gone pass them. Yeah, like even
the guy what's the big guy what's his character's name again,
he's got the baby dragging. Yeah, you see, that was
like we didn't even need to see that, but it's
sure it might come later. Setting up for it, Yeah,
because I did notice to when he gets through the
(46:16):
platform and sees the train Hogwarts train, and then we
just cut to an exterior shot of the train traveling
already and he's in there. I'm like, I guarantee there
was like no script or they filmed him actually getting
on the train and meeting people, because it seemed like
they've cut something there. Let's move it along.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, I know that there are deleted scenes, and you
wonder how how long the film would have been. Yeah,
all the scenes were kept in. Let's wrap up because
I need to let you get out of here.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
But the we've annoyed enough Harry Potter.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Fans, please just yes.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Oh yeah, by the way, I'm saying I like it,
you like it, and I just wish I saw what
If I saw this as a kid, I would I
would be completely hooked.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
I feel the same way. I think as much as
there are adults who do love this film, for me,
seeing this as a kid would have blown my mind. Yeah,
I think I think just came up at the wrong time.
I love Magic Far Away too growing up, and it
feels like that fantastical world, like never ending story. Yeah,
huge in my life. Yeah yeah, so yes, he's in
(47:28):
fun Facts. So Alec Ginness was actually offered the role
of Dumbledore. They had him in the said he passed
away not long before production. Richard Harris had trouble remembering
his line. So this is a lovely story that Daniel
Radcliffe noticed this and would ask him as a favor,
would he mind helping him with his lines, and then
(47:49):
in turn obviously helping Richard Harris with his line. So
that's that rings true of the Daniel Radcliffe that I've
met over the years. Child actors do their actual schoolwork
in the movie. When you see them doing they make
it seem more authentic and maybe to get around the
tutoring laws platform for those who don't know. Nine to
(48:12):
three quarters is filmed at King Scruss. I think you
may have mentioned that earlier. Yeah, I was there, not
long aer Harry Daniel Radcliffe. They want to be so
faithful to the book that they wanted him to have
green eyes, which apparently he's described his having green eyes,
so he had green contacts pretty early on scene one
Negre to see he was like his eyes were watering,
(48:33):
of course in pain. They got rid of that. Also
Hermion he was has buck teeth in the in the
books and she was going to wear buck teeth and
she could barely talk. So that was Kai Boshed Robin
Williams campaign to be in the movie, and j K said, no, wow,
sticking with her, you know British kind of rule.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
That's if you did the misdoubt Fire accent.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, exactly that. He worked with Chris Columbus on Doubt
Fire and others. So what I mean, God, JK. I
respect people who go, you know, I'm taking a stamp
because when so the movie as I'm sure you know,
he's called the Sorcerer's Stone in the US. Everywhere else
it's a philosopher's stone. But the book company just said,
(49:21):
Americans will be confused. Amics can't seem to then take
that second or third thought. And they said philosophers, Philosopher's
stone will be a foreign concept, but for some reason
sorcerer's stone is more familiar to them. And JK agreed.
She just said, and she really regrets it. She said,
at the time, I was a struggling author. This is
(49:42):
obviously before. This is for the book, not the movie.
So she's a struggling author. She was in no position
to fell like she could say no. So interesting a
lot of these choices she made. You obviously see the evolution.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's sticking to the English rule is impressive.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
You seen no of Robin Williams and who's gonna work
basically for free?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, and you can say, oh I wish one will
he was in it all, but it's paid off for
it because it's Harry Potter. It does have that feel
about it that when you're in the Harry Potter world,
there's no other world like it. Yeah, whereas if you
had it, let it get americanized for lack of a
better term, who knows, like you say, Robert Williams, once
(50:24):
you open that door, and any American is in it,
and now you're on a different set and you've probably
got there's probably a coke vending machine at Hogwarts.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
That there's guns. Obviously, you do like because Star Wars
does have this kind of array of kind of accents,
even though the death start is often English access weirdly,
but maybe JK has seen that and kind of gone, no,
I want as the feel like you have. You know,
(50:56):
they're all the same world. It did mean when they
shot the movie they had to come every time the
philosophers Stone was mentioned, had to shoot the scene twice
of stone, so that would have been a pain in
the ass.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Probably why they didn't mention it the first half.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
They couldn't be bothered, shoehorned him later JK around. I
also requested the scar be off center in the book.
It's never specified. I think some of the drawings have
it closer to the middle, but yeah, she wanted the
scar to be off center, so that was one of
her things. So mate, there you go. That is Harry
(51:32):
Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. There's your world feel bigger now.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, I'm definitely glad I've watched it. I feel it's
a monkey off my back. I can stop living the
life and yeah, and I get the hype. The hype
is validated. Yeah, I will say that.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Well, mate, this podcast comes with homework, and I appreciate
you digging in and doing two and a half hours worth.
Jane Kennedy, still the Clubhouse Leader, watched all three director's
cut of Lord of the Rings. Wow for this podcast.
So but your way ahead of Sampang, who watched an
eighty eight minute movie The Castle. So you got him.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
Had he not seen the cast?
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I know it's it's become part of the folklore of
this podcast that it's remarkable that you hadn't seen a
movie made by his employers. So it's the kind of
man Sam Pang is. Mate, thank you so much for
having me. It's fun, a joy to see you. I
mentioned in the intro that I have admired the way
(52:31):
you have carved out your comedy career. You have not
waited for people to call you, which so many comics to.
It's very easy to fall into that trap.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Would still be waiting you you.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You got off your ass and you have invested time,
your talent, brought other people into your world and created
your own industry. And I really admire it mate, and yeah,
well done.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Appreciate that mate, Thank you so much, and we'll see
you are in the traps. We'll do
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