September 30, 2025 • 46 mins
Comedian, writer, and self-made sketch phenomenon Troy Kinne joins Pete to finally tackle one of the biggest cultural juggernauts of the last 30 years: Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone.
Despite building a career on sharp comedy and internet-savvy sketches, Troy has somehow gone decades without watching a single Harry Potter film - though he’s faked his way through theme park rides, photo ops, and conversations along the way. Now, for the very first time, he sits down to experience the story of “the boy who lived.”
Pete and Troy dive into why he skipped the series, what it’s like to watch the film fresh as an adult, and how it compares to his three all-time favorite movies: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Boogie Nights, and Donnie Brasco. Expect big laughs, sharp insights, and plenty of nostalgia as they unpack both the magic and the myths around one of cinema’s most beloved franchises.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Get a Pete Hallier here, Welcome to you Ain't Seen
Nothing Yet? The Movie Podcast, where our chat to a
movie lover, but a classic film they haven't quite got
around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian Troy Kinney.
Troy Kinney is a one man phenomenon. I have so
much respect for Troy. He's an Aussi comedian who basically
(00:24):
decided not to wait for a phone call. A lot
of comedians get stuck waiting for a TV to call
them or a radio opportunity, and Troy just went, nah,
I'm going to do it myself, and almost before others
were doing it, just invested his time and talent and
money into creating sketches and getting them online. He got
(00:45):
a little ensemble together and just started doing really funny
shit online and grew his own audience, and it was
himself that was doing it. Wasn't driven by a network,
it was driven by his own, his own talents and
building that community.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm a massive fan.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Eventually TV did come knocking and he did The Troy
Kenney Show and it was It's fantastic. He's such a clever,
clever mind, and he seemed to be really on the
front foot with a lot of you know, kind of
internet trends, and he really had his finger on the zeitgeist.
Very funny, lovely blake to hang out with. I cast
(01:25):
Troy in this one scene in one of the opening
scenes in How to Stay Married. He's in the office.
My character Greg was letting him go and I remember
having a lot of fun. I think it was on
the first scenes we shot, and it was really nice
doing that with Troy. Check out the live shows which
are happening soon in Melbourne. He's happening very soon in November,
(01:48):
massive show and also go to the Troy Kenney dot
com this to see all all his stuff. He's quite brilliant,
really accessible and I'm bloody stoked to be hanging with
him today.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
All below.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I want to stay here with you. That's the jobber,
my hat, snake, shut my hails.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It could be happening.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Right Soun't seen nothing new.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Hi. My name's Troy Kinney, and my three favorite films
are Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Boogie Night Donny Brasco. But up
until this week, I had never seen Harry Potter and
The Philosopher's Stone. Excuse me, who are you Rubius Hagrid,
keeper of keys and groins at Hogwarts. Of course you'll
(03:01):
know all about Hogwarts.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Sorry, no, no blame me, Harry.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Didn't you ever wonder where your mum and dad learned?
Now want more?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You're a wizard, Harry, I'm a what.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
A wizard and a thumping good, annighted wager. Once you
treat up a little, No, you've made a mistake. I
mean I can't be a wizard. I mean I'm just Harry,
Just Harry well Jess.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Harry grew up on Privet Drive with the dreadful Dursleys,
his uncle Vernon Richard Griffiths and Ardie Petunia Fiona Shaw
and he shit have a kid cousin, Dudley Harry Melling
treat like a third rate citizen. Harry lives under the stairs,
never gets shown any love or kindness. But Harry's world
is about to change when a twelve foot bearded Hagrid
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Robbie Coltrane tracks him down to give him some news
he could never have expected. Harry is, in fact a wizard,
and not just any wizard. He is the boy who lived,
a boy who survived the evil clutches of he who
shall not be named our buggret. It's Lord Voldemort, for
whom Harry will become a thorn in his side for
years to come. Harry's days of living under the staircase
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are over. He's now heading to Hogwarts, a school for
wizard where he shall meet his first best friends Ron Weasley,
Rupert Grint and Harmony Granger Emma Watson, among a throng
of new faces, some friendly, others not so. Harry's abilities
will be tested, as will his courage as darker forces
begin to track him down. Based on the literary phenomenon
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created by JK. Rowling, it's how to think of any
pop cultural juggernaut that has left a bigger mark than
Harry Potter over the last thirty years. Troy Kinney, are
you prepared to say his name of the one who
shall not be named?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Are you? I said it?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I said it, Voldemort.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
This episode is doomed.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Glad you said, because I wouldn't have limited.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We've been trying to organize this for a long time
to get you on the show.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm thrilled to have you on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Thanks mate, And why I mean this is one that
you know has loomed large and you somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Would pick it. I wasn't completely sure if I was
getting really nippicked.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Is it a movie classic or is it a certainly
obviously the book is, you know, a phenomenon. But I
was like, no, enough people saw Repotted a massive it's
a massive movie, a massive franchise. Of course it could be.
It's beloved and is right of the classic, But why
hadn't you seen it?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I was half under the impression that I had. And
then because I just because I like to think I
watch everything. Yeah, and I just assumed I had. And
then and the reason it's big in my life at
the moment, my nephew is into it. Two young girls
that live next door to me. They come over and
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they would like turn on my Netflix or Disney Plus
to watch it, and we had to have an unlock
door policy, so they come in and finish watching them
all because they were reading the books in school. And
I have always admittedly been not attracted to period pieces,
if that makes sense, like Downtown Abbey, things like that.
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I can't get into them. I sort of needed to
be in the world of now, or at least something
relatable and for some reason in my head I thought
Harry Potter was a period piece or I put it
in that category. But the weird thing is is over
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the years, I have sort of faked, unknowingly a little
bit that I had seen it, because I've been like,
I've been on the Harry Potter ride at Universal Studios
with a mate who's obsessed with and I acted like, yeah,
this is amazing. I can't believe they're in Harry Potter work.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Probably were in an end or oh I loved Tadawayne.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And the game as you're playing the guidditch like I
got on these fake briefs. I don't know what's going on.
And then my ex partner was from England and near
her house was and by the way, it must have
been one of the secrets, because I still haven't seen it.
Was a big tree that everyone was getting their photo
with and she goes, oh, that's the Harry Potter tree.
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So oh yeah, it's got a selfie with it. I
don't know what it is, but I have faked that
I am into Harry Potter for so long without actually
having seen it. And my fear was when I watched
it last night that I'm going to put it on
and go, oh, I have seen this, but I definitely
hadn't seen it. I hadn't seen it, and I looked
into because I was confused as well, why haven't I
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seen this? Because I could feel my childhood of me
getting angry at me as I was watching the starters.
I'm like, I would have loved watching this as a kid,
but I looked up when it came out. I was
twenty three years old, so I was chasing babes, mate,
I wasn't chasing foots.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You're chasing the Golden Snatch, not the Golden Snatch.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So that's my excuse. I just didn't come out at
the time period where I was seeking something like that
to watch. Yeah, so it's good to now, even though
I've only seen one of them, be a part of
the Harry Potter Club because I feel like I've been
a phony for so many years.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And you had not read the books.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, I haven't read the books either, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Because I read the books and really, well, sorry, I
read the first three or four and then it got
to I think it's a gobble of the fire, which
became like it was like three times bigger than the
other books, and I just went.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm enjoying them.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But I'm twenty nine and I don't feel like I
need these books to be that big. I shouldn't say
that children's author, you know. And I love that Harry
Potter exists in the world, both in its you know,
literary form and it's a Sallyloid form, and yeah, I
do look forward to discussing that as the new format
(09:14):
for you and see nothing yet. We'll discuss that next
week in part two. So yeah, I cannot wait to
learn what you thought about Harry Potter after all these years.
But I was a bit the same way. Basically, these
movies came out at a time when, yeah, I was
in my late twenties and interesting. All right, try before
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we get into your three favorite films, we ask our
listeners to leave us messages on our speak pipe. Just
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can leave. They can You can leave a question a
comment about a previous episode of film that you might
want us to check out. And this one comes from Sam.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Hey, what's up, guys, a fan of the podcast except
for like the fight Club episode Good God and also
the Happy Gilmour episode Sweet baby James, what is the
deal with having like when you have guests on like
(10:18):
this where you think, oh, this person is probably not
gonna like this. You should have them sit down and
listen to five like film experts, like who know what
they're talking about, talk about the movie before they come on,
because it's the most infuriating. Like you demonstrated to this
lady about Fight Club over and over and over that
(10:38):
Brad Pitt is a good actor, not my favorite, not
the best certainly, but she would not let it go
like she doesn't understand fight Club at all, but she
just both barrels blast and it's the hardest thing I
might have ever had to listen to.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
There, I think Sam I Samy's uh, it was to
me you saying American apologies if you're Canadian, Sam, thanks
for leaving that message. I'm glad you said you love
the podcast at the top because I've a little bit
pair shaped.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
After definitely passionate about films. Yes, which is the audience
you want.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Which is great to fight episode Troy, it was Kate Langbrook.
And if you're Australian, you know, you know, we all
know Kate Lanbrook. I've worked with her many times. She's
a great friend of mine, and she is renowned for having,
you know, strong opinions, and you know, unabashedly, unapologetically having
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big opinions. There's often sometimes her tongue is in her
cheek sometimes. But also I would say that this Sam
mentioned that you know, they should listen to five experts
to talk about That's not really what this podcast is about,
because I've made this point many times. We talked to
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somebody who has just seen a film for the first time,
and they are sometimes the night before, sometimes that morning,
and they are still processing the film. We've had episodes
where people's opinion of the film changes as the episode
goes along.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And it's also a film that, for some reason, whether
it be practical or mental, you have put off watching
all your life, in a way forcing your brain to
watch it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yes, yeah, yes, And they're all just opinions. I mean,
there's an episode of Hamish Hamish McDonald Punstrang Love, which
one of my favorite films, and we're gonna talk aout
Portom Sanderson soon, but he did not get it, and
some listeners, you know, really kind of good sense my frustration.
(12:47):
But I really enjoyed that episode and I enjoy sometimes
when you know my guests hasn't loved the.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, we had Aaron Blaby who watched Boyhood.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Now I don't have the emotional connection with Boyhood than
I do something like Punch Strong Love. But I still
really enjoyed Boyhood and he just didn't connect for him,
and I still think it's it's a worthwhile conversation to have. Also,
whether Brad Pick can act or not. I mean I
clearly think he can. I think he's he's great, but
some actors is for some people up the wrong way. Yeah,
(13:19):
so Sam, I do love I do love your passion.
And sorry that was hard to listen to. But yeah,
Happy Happy Gilmour was also Julia Morris. I did that
and didn't love Happy as much as which is you know,
like that's kind of I can't get it, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's it's you love the sequel.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
We'll do Happy Gilmore too with Julia Morris coming soon.
But yes, staky Sam for getting onto us. I hope
you enjoy future episodes and and and episodes you're catching
up on, and yes, and let us know when you
get onto the speak pipe where you might be listening from,
so we can send out a serio to that part
of the world. All Right, Troy, let's talk about the
(14:05):
three films that you are, your three favorites. Let's begin
with the comedy. Let's begin with Dirty Run Scandals, beautiful
piece of comedy.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, I love it. And what I did was, I'm
sure you're the same in I stress so much over
picking my top three films because they change all the time.
And I thought everyone's going to say, back to the future,
surely they that'd.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Be Princess Bride comes up a bit, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, the classics that you know when we're at the
prime age of taking in a movie. But I thought,
all right, let's think of my favorite films that I
wish I made. Like if someone would just say, what's
the film you've made, I'm like, dirty, Rotten Scoundrel. I
think is just script wise, perfect film. The performances are amazing,
so I guess, and I'm sure you'd know. There's the
(14:50):
original which is called Bedtime Story, Yes, which has Marlon
Brando in it, which, weirdly, Marlon Brando plays the Steve
Martin character, whereas I would have thought he would have
played the Michael Kaine character. Yeah, but I have seen.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I have seen it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I've seen it, and it's it is word for word,
like it's real. It's pretty much exactly the same, which
is surprising, like even the scenes.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
With rupricked, and because I would have thought Steve Martin
was doing a lot of improvising.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Like Steve, that's where you see Steve Martin has put
his thing on it. But like the scene which I
think is possibly the funniest scene in movie history, the
wheelchair scene where he's whipping his legs, that's in the
Bedtime Story one as well. Yeah, so it's interesting you
see Marlon Brando's version of Steve Martin, wow doing that. Yeah,
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you've got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And obviously so Steve Martin would have seen that like thought,
all right, I've got to do my version of it.
Yeah yeah, I mean we can say now Steve Martin,
you know, he's obviously a genius with that sort of stuff.
But Marlon Brando one, it's it's right up there.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And Michael Kane is so good in that he's he's
kind of effortlessly funny, like Steve Martin's going for him
being Steve Martin. And that's that's what you want. You know,
it's one of the best Steve Martin performances. You know,
before he started dialing things down just a little bit,
you know, with your Father of the Brides and that
kind of stuff and parenthoods. But Michael Kane is this.
(16:25):
It's hard to put your finger on why his performance
is funny, but.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It is, yeah, and he just it's that the classic
thing of less is more like he doesn't try to
be funny. I think that's why he's funny. As if
he thought, oh, I'm opposite Steve Martin here, I better
put some extra on it, that he'd probably lose what
he's got. But because he is just playing it straight,
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and you know, he's obviously skilled enough to let the
writing speak for itself and realize, oh, the magic's on
the page. I just deliver it. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's funny because neither character really they're not likable. You know,
they're likable because they're funny. And there you know, you
gotta know you're watching a movie and it's funny. It's
fun with what Steve Martin, but as far as like
Seinfeld in the way like the characters aren't really on
paper likable.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's such a good point because you sort of in
your head you think Steve Martin is the least likable character,
he's the worst one of you. But he's actually not.
Michael Kaine's taking him for more money. He's actually worse.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But in your head, just from the character traits, I
guess you just assume, Oh, the Steve Martin character, he's
the dodgy one. Yeah, but no, it's just because Michael
Kaine does it with class that we sort of get
tricked into. He knows what he's doing. You can't.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And you have the lead actress who obviously they're trying
to swindle.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, of course, you know. There's twist and a long match.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
She's passed away now, isn't she She has Yeah, Glenn Hedley,
who is in Dick Tracy as well, mister Holland's Opus.
That's a really under I think I suspect that it's
an underrated performance, you know, because, yeah, Steve Martin, Michael
Kaye get all the kudos in that movie, but it
doesn't work without her performance.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Exactly, And I think that is what pushes the film
over the top for me into the top three category.
The ending where she has fooled both of them and
comes out trumps. That's just the perfect cherry on the
Sunday is the ending of that film. So oh, you
want every film to have an ending like that?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah, did you see the there's a remaker with
the Rebel and yeah, and Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
A lot of time.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
For Rebel, Oh yeah, and I but there's there was
a block in my mind about it. I just thought,
I love well.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
That's That's what was funny for me because I had
the same thought of don't you want scandal? I don't
want to ruin. I don't know's it's I like it
as it is. But then when you see Bedtime Story,
did people who say see that think the same as
Steve Martin and Michael Kaine plastic film because you're watching
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go well it is pretty much exactly the same film.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, so maybe you have, like in a couple of years,
you have, like, you know, you people saying, I'm not
seeing the Mayor Strange and Timothy Shallon a version of
The Hustle. I'm not doing that Rebel and hath the
way they in the original.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You can't beat it and Frank oz Is.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
How good is Frank Eyes? I mean, do you imagine
like him as Yoda behind the scene, I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Can't his name.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, it is such a It is such a If
you haven't seen Ultimate Puppet Master, if you.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Haven't seen Dirty Run Scandals, see it is it is.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I never saw the stage show of it, did you?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
No? No?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Only hopefully that goes around again because I'd love to
see it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, Steve Martin when he's in full flight, I mean,
my favorite film, favorite comedy is playing strains and Automobiles,
and I just I love when he finds his that
groove of like yeah, you know, yeah, the physical comedy.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, but he's got other stuff to play with as well.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, that's where you're see in that scene I said,
I think is possibly the funniest scene of and this is.
You know, you'd be the same as me, how much
you miss a full cinema theater watching it. And I
remember watching that with my parents and my dad just
losing it. And that's probably a bit of nostalgia around
as well. But when he's getting his legs whipped and
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so he's playing pretending to be paraplegic, but he's not.
And then Michael Kaine's character obviously comes in pretending to
be a psychologist that can help him, and he's got
to do it in front of the woman that they're
both trying to seduce as part of the bet the
con and even just when he takes his sock off, goes,
(21:00):
well you might be feeling mister piggy, will you and
he just does a little guest and even Steve Martin's
face where it's just like you can tell he that
is tickling him so much, but he has to keep
his composer Like that's where you know, no offense to
Marlon Brando. He's had some great performances, but when you
watch that, yeah, well that's where Steve Martin shines. Yeah,
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he's just he brings that little something more.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And that's the one the constant one upmanship that you
on first view you don't see them coming. And you know,
it's like when when Steve Martin gets out of the
wheelchair to get to the bed because Glenn Headley's there
and revealed that Michael Kaine's in the corner.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, it's just I mean that's a good point. There's
so many little reveals where yeah, you think Michael Kaine's
getting up because he's sitting next to the woman and
he's playing. He's using his old trick of losing money,
and they sorry, but he keeps winning. And then as
he's getting somewhere, he has to make room for someone
(22:07):
trying to get to the table, and it's Steve Martin
in a wheelchair and he can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, it's trapped.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And then the next of you is Steve Martin in
the room. She's found the psychologist and it's Michael Kay.
Nothing of a surprise, so good.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Check it out. Dirty Roden Scoundrels, Donny Brasco. I've seen
Donny Brasco. Really enjoyed Donny Brasco. You probably have to
remind me of you, Donny Brasco, Johnny Depp, al Pacino.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
A true story.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, well that's I'm surprised it's in my top three.
And I think that's credit to how good the story
is and the performances, because I like to think, like,
for example, we just talked about Dirty at the Scoundrels,
I just think the script is amazing, whereas like something
that's based on a true story, I'm like, yeah, well
you somebody, you're getting out of creativity with the script
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a bit because the story is already there, but this
one it's just so fascinating and I think it's al
Pacino could be like his best performance. I mean, you
gotta put Godfather aside stuff. He it's almost like his
second phase of his acting. He's playing an older guy
(23:22):
who's like's not he used to be tough and now
he's losing it a bit. Yeah, and it's just so
cool to see, like he's a bit forgetful. Like a
couple of my favorite lines of his are just like
I said that, like he forgets something.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He said, Yeah, it's because you think of Pacino the
Godfather and it's very kind of in control, and this
was one where he is more vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And that's the friendship between him and
Donnie Brasco played by Johnny Depp. Is almost out of
desperation because it's Chino's character. Lefty is his nickname, don't
even know what his actual name is.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Lefty.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
He's clinging to Johnny Depp because that's almost his way
of staying in the game, Like I brought this guy
in his mind and now they're a team. So it's
him just trying to stay in It's got like almost
high school fuels of if I'm friends with this person,
then I get to keep hagging it around. But it's
his group of friends is the mafia, so he's trying
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to keep his leg in the mafia and stay stay cool,
and just seeing him get overlooked for boss positions and
he has to copy it on the chin and just.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So give us a quick reminder of those who haven't
seen it, what the short synopsis. Obviously, it's Johnny Depp
goes undercover.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, undercover detective who is trying to infiltrate any type
of organized crime. And you see him. The opening is
just him in a bar trying to get noticed by
these guys who are who we're seeing their life, and
that's al Pacino's there and they notice him and ask
(25:07):
who he is, and he's Johnny Deppy's name. Donny Bresco's
don the Jeweler. So he's purposely taken on a trade
where they might use him. Al Pacino's character needs him
to do something for him, so, essentially, to give it
a short synopsis, Donny Brasco becomes friends with Lefty al
(25:28):
Pacino's character in order to infiltrate and get information about
the mob, but he actually becomes really genuine friends with him,
who cares about him, And so it gets to the
point where Donny Brasco is becoming a gangster and he's
more invested in that life than his own family life
(25:50):
and his life outside. And then, to make matters worse,
the little gang that he joined ends up becoming the
head of the mafia, like the main family, and so
now he's in like the biggest mafia family of all
and the cops outside or worried. I don't think he
(26:12):
realizes that he's undercover detective anymore. He's actually like he's
putting more effort into the life of helping them just
because he's become such good friends with Leftying it genuinely
cares about him.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And plot spoiler, So the skip ahead if you want
to watch it. So this skip ahead a couple of
thirty seconds. Maybe does he get revealed, Well.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That sort of leaves your hanging run bit, but well
he does because he is basically at the point where
he's trying to help Lefty get out of the mafia
because he knows if you don't I have to tell people.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, who you are.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
And you're going to jail, so he's trying to but
at the same time they've realized who that Donnie Donny
Brasco is an FBI agent, and and al Pacino he's
like refuses to believe it, and so on the in
the last scene, you're sort of watching them and al
(27:15):
Pacino's taking him to perform a hit on someone, but
you don't know his al Pacino just going to kill
Donny Brasco.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Those movies with that deal with like yeah, undercover cops
infiltrating mafia in film affairs of the part of Obviously remake.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
They're so tense, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, well, I was so gripping when I first watched its.
Like you you know, sometimes you go to the bathroom
or check your phone. You won't check your phone watching this,
like it just keeps you in And yeah, by the
end when it's such a yeah spoiler great anywhen al
Pacino's sitting there, Donny Brasco's out and he's getting awarded medals,
(27:58):
but he doesn't even really want them for the job
he's done because he knows he's just screwed over someone
that became a friend. And Alpacna' is just sitting there
and he gets a phone call and just seems say goodbye,
Who's wife's going out for a bit, And he puts
his watches and jewelry in the box, so he knows
I'm going to get killed by the market because I
brought Donny Brasco, who he brought into the gang because
(28:19):
then thought he was cool by doing that. He got
himself killed because he brought in the mole.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think I'll watch it again actually, because I haven't
seen it for so many years. It has come up
a couple of times as people's favorite. Okay, not as
much as you know other films, but it certainly it
has come up. But yeah, I must go back.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And I became so me and a mate became so
obsessed with you know, and you just have a movie
where just half our conversations lines from Donny Brasco. And
we're in New York together in little Italy, and we've
said we've got to go have a beer at the
bar where Donny Brasco and left his first meet and
we went there and his girlfriends with it's just like
taking photos, just so bored. And then we left and
(29:04):
we went and had a mere little restaurant, like you know,
probably a block away, and we looked around, went, oh no,
this is the one that we had to take the
photos again. We're in the wrong bar. I don't want
to say every bar looks the same in Little.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Have you got the right tree? For Harry Potter? A
random you've got a selfie with? Let's talk about Boogie Nights.
Paul Thomas Anderson my favorite filmmaker. Very excited at the
time of recording. I have not seen one Battle after Another,
which is his brand new film with Leonardo Dicapriana, already
getting rave reviews. Cannot wait to see it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I'm so excited about that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh well, let's just talk it. Paul Thomas and Yeah.
What do you love about him?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, oh, you you'll agree with me here, I know it.
What so streaming Netflix and everything? Yeah, they're great. I'll
tell you what. We've lost director's commentary. We used to
get DVD's. It's my favorite thing. And and I see
little clips now on Instagram and stuff of it'll be
(30:14):
like something from the extras of a DVD and they
would just write a statement that I know. I remember
that audio commentary character I'm like, I've still got all
my DVD's. I'm tempted to just rip them all and
start an Instagram page, because that's all stuff no under
see because used to get so much information, especially if
you're someone who's into trying to make film and creative
(30:37):
in any way. And I remember watching the Boogie Nights
one with Paul Thomas Anderson, and something that stuck out
was so in Boogie Nights. I just loved the style
of it. And I probably saw it at the best
time when I was so into I just finished UNI,
where I did screenwriting and that sort of stuff, and
I loved that a lot of the scenes where you're
first meeting characters, he'll show three quick shots of their
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lifestyle and then it'll slowly push in on the scene.
And in the audio commentary with him, he said that
he noticed some criticism of, you know, his filmmaking style
that you know, it's almost arbitrary, just showing off like
it's not part of the story. And I expected him
(31:23):
to say, you know, give his reasons why and why
it is part of the story, and he goes, and
I just think, if if you criticize them for showing
off in a film. I just think that's bullshit. I'm like, yeah,
if you want to make your film look cool, what's
wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Style is fine?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But his films are, you know, as stylish as they are.
They never style over substance. There's always substance there.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, and yeah, it's not compensating for anything. It's not
adding final touches.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
See, I don't He's my favorite filmmaking.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I don't have a Pta film in my top three,
and maybe not even one in my top five because
I think I think I've worked out my top three
as people.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Change as well.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Not really, but it's Godfather Parts two and one as
as my one.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I've cheated.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I was thinking, what if I'd tell you my three
A Rocky one two we have to talk about Rocket
whole time.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And Sideways and and oh wow, I love Sideways.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That's that's a great commentary, very funny commentary, audio commentary
for GM Marty and Thomas Hayden Church and Playing Strange
and Autorobiles, and I think four and five Star Wars,
Empire Strikes Back I might have be cheated again and
Strikes Backs that Star was and Back to the Future.
I think they would be my top five films. But
I couldn't even tell you what my favorite Paul Thomas
(32:44):
Anderson film because that changes a lot. Same But it
could be Boogie Knights, but it could be Magnolia, it
could be Punk Strung, Love Adore.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It could be There Will Be Black. I mean, those
are the four to be after.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
If you pick, like, I wouldn't put There Will Be Bluddy.
But if I look back, I've watched There Will Be
Blood about twenty times. Yeah, but Daniel day Lewis anything
he does will But I mean I've watched the commentary
with that as well, and it's interesting Paul Thomas Anderson
with that one. At the start, Daniel da Lewis was
(33:17):
playing the character slightly different, he said, and he is
any of all the actors, I feel like I couldn't
do this with it's Daniel day Lewis because he's such
a method process. Once he's in it and he goes,
I had to pull him aside and make him he
doesn't watch dailies or anything. I had to make him
watch to see if he's okay with what he's doing.
And Daniel da Lewis agreed, he goes, You're right, I
(33:37):
gotta I gotta change something, I thought. So I sort
of agree with there because I think boogie Nights. I'll
admit it's in there. Because I saw it at the
perfect time. I couldn't have been more into films. Saw
it at the cinema, went back and saw it and it.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Was just like also because I hadn't seen Heart eight,
which is I hadn't yeah, yeah, So this was for me,
a brand new filmmaker for all intents and purposes, it
is his first film for me. And I remember that
this reading that there was a bit of buzz about it,
and there's unlikely because you know, it was said in
(34:18):
the porn industry, so that had made some waves. And
I saw it at cinema over in Carlton here in Melbourne,
and it was just so, that's one of the best
films I've seen. Yeah, I stylistically was amazing. The performance
it was funny but like tragic and that I.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Think that's what It's got a bit of everything. Yeah,
and that's hard to I don't really see many films
that have that, like genuine funny, laugh out loud moments
where the cinema's pissing themselves laughing.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
And also Heartbreak as well.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, I mean the John c Riley and Wilburg stuff Hoffban,
I mean, I mean the cast is incredible. Julianne Moore
and Mark Wilburg does a great job and it's so Yeah,
I think it's so nuanced and it's about family.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
For me.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's also not like people get don Cheetah as well.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
The grame is so good.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I mean the role that the the when she gets
attacked in the in the limo and yeah, just stomps
on that and that sequence, Yeah, the music that's playing
during that sequence. And then you got Warburg and you know,
Dirk Diggler and the guys trying to rip off.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, you know that the dude that you know, I forget,
Alfred Molina.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, and that And that's another thing from the commentary.
Paul Thomas Fan and the fire crackers. This guy's like
they were real and Jess his girl's playing because in
any other film you'd fake that and put the noise
in later. But he said they were real because he
wanted the Mark Wahlburg and the actors to be so
on edge, and the fire crackers are just like like
you're trying to remember your dialogue of that fire goes.
(35:55):
It just made it so intense. This kid's just lighting
fire crackers for no reason, like just no method to
it either, just lights one, chucks that lights one.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, and the tension and that there's all those characters
are so vulnerable that you've got mate Macy. It's almost
a joke that his wife's getting banged behind his back
every time he turns a corner and she's having sex
with you know, one of the crew members that it
was a gag and then it had all backs.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Its tragic. It's this really tragic ending to it, you know,
and it's the whole thing I just just love. And
then you know the.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Don Cheatle trying to get the money for you know,
and he can't get the money because he works in porn,
and it's just I just think, Yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Even at the little moment where don Cheedle's character he's
just going to get donuts and there's a robbery that goes.
Everyone gets killed, but don Cheedle. Yeah, Like it's even
just that little that could be a short film. That's
like it's very pole fiction esque. Yeah, And that just
that alone, and that's just like one little bit of
the film. It's just filled with so many moments like that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Tarantino and portom Senator became great mate because they they
were often spoken about in articles and you know about
that these are the two directors you know, who are
you know making the best films at the time. And
so eventually this went we should probably meet because I
feel like every article about me they mentioned you and
vice versa.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So they have become really good friends.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
And and Tarantino said that when he saw there would
be blood, he said, I need to raise my game. Yes, wow,
I think that's when he made a glorious bastons. I
need to go to the next level because this guy's
this guy's good.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
How good is that?
Speaker 5 (37:34):
So?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And I love to This was.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
A time where there was a cinema, which one was
that it was the member the village that was in
the city in Melbourne, and there was one where you
showed your ticket at the front and then it was
a long walk to all the cinemas. So once if
you saw something during the day, and this was when
Buginis came out. I think there was like Titanic and
good were hunting. So I'd like you just would watch
(38:00):
a movie come out, wait for another to start and
just go in. So I watched like four movies in
one day, but pay for one really. But what I
loved was spoiler alert again, if you haven't watched Boogie
Nights and you're going to the end of Boogie Knights,
finally Dirk Diggler flops out his Yes, that's got him
all this work, and he's got a really big penis obviously,
(38:21):
and you see it. And I used to love watching
when that movie had ended and you'd see I'd watch
the people coming out. You'd see the ladies coming out
sort of smirking, talking to each other, and the guy's
just shaking their heads. So I can't be real. I
love seeing how a movie starts, Like if I'm late
to a movie, I don't go. I love seeing how
(38:42):
a movie starts and how a movie ends.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I feel the same way when I wrote in a
football match where I've read the first two minutes, it's
like I haven't got I haven't got the rhythm of
what the narrative.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Is yet, you know, And then yeah, and the start
of Boogie Knights, I mean, we've just seen the studio.
I don't know when you're hearing this, but the studio
just won so many Emmys recently, which is known for
all the one is and boogie Knights. I mean, we
know Goodfellas has got a good one of a boogie
(39:13):
Knight's opening scene where for me, this is the most
important thing. How do you set a move out? Just
has a one one take shot as well that just
goes from a crane down to the ground and then
goes through this nightclub where we meet everyone and it's
all done in one shot, and there's dialogue and everything
and dancing. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, and you certainly see this score says, you know, influence. Yeah,
but it's an influence, it doesn't, you know, like he
brings so much more. The reason he does that one
shot because he comes down over the nightclub and you
actually he's got Boogie Knights written at the front of
the nightclub because he had the studio made him change
the name of Hard eight everython it's called Sydney and
(39:56):
they may they made So he goes, if I do
this is one shot and I have Booi Knights written
at the front, they can't, they can't. They can't make
me change it. That's I mean, you could argue that
they could have said, Okay, well the nightclubs it's called
Booge Knights, and now you call the movie, you know,
mister Horner. But yeah, and there's that scene vulnerability when
(40:17):
like and this is when you know you're kind of
like watching a great film when you remember the Faraly
brother said, when did when did you know that there's
something about Mary was going to be hit, that you
had a hit on your hands, And they said it
was when the scene where Ben Steeller meets Matt Dillon,
(40:37):
who's who's gone out to find Mary. He's a private
detective and he's seen it. That's Cameron Diaz and there's falling,
you know, falling in las Cameron Diaz. So he goes
back to her and says how she's's obeese and she's
got go of these kids in a wheelchair. You know,
paints quite a picture. And and you know Ben Steel's
(40:58):
character still says I want to I still want to
meet her. That doesn't doesn't give up, you know, the
chase for Mary, And that's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
The heart of the feeling is, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And I think I think with Boogie Knights, there's a
scene where's his mum just like tears down all his posters.
And there's something that always gets me about that scene.
I think, both remembering what your bedroom means to you
as a kid and the posters that you decide to
put on your room, it's kind of reflective.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Of who you are.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's like us discussing what's our top three movies. Yeah,
what goes on your bedroom wall? Yeah, it is such
a representation of you.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, and you need it to be at an age
where you may have paid two dollars for that poster,
so actually you've invested something in it, and so and
you put it on the wall, and she's tearing down
everything that's important to him.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Like if I the thought of like me doing that
to my own kids, yeah breaks my heart.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean I would never do it, obviously, but the
thought of it is just so that and that really
only came to me, not necessarily the first couple of
times obviously Book Nights.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah again like twenty times, but that the more I
watch it, that scene really gets to me. And so
you do.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
And Margie Mark's performance in that as.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well, Yeah, he's distraught, devastated, and you know, I think
that's because you know, and and what.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Happens at the end of that scene he runs away
from home, slams the door. Next scene, door opened, Jack Corner. Yeah,
welcome to your new family and your porn family.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
The father figure one family to the other. I love that,
the style of when when you know New Year's Eve
as well, where they've basically gone from Julian Moore takes
He about to do cocaine and that's the first, I think,
the first time he's done drugs, and then everything changes
after that, everything goes to ship. You know, it's like
a new year, and this new is not going to
be good. He's going to become drug addicted. He's going
(42:49):
to lose his way, and you know, porn's gone from
using film to videotape and it's just it's it's such
a good movie. I bloody love it. And go see
if you've seen Booking, I go see that, but check
out and try to see it in the cinema that
he shot. He shoots all his films on film. You
can see one battle after another in imax.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I think this, my my understanding, is might have been
his best film.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Coming up.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I've got to lower my expectations. A chill pill on it.
But I think what I'm excited about it looks like
there's a lot of action in it. It looks like
some of these films have slowed up a little bit,
you know, Phantom and even the Chris Pizza, which I
really enjoyed, but I wouldn't mind him. Yeah, just getting
(43:39):
a dose of action in there. Apparently there's a car shop.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Almost his own advice from the commentary Bookie Nights.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Show off of it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, you can do exactly I feel I reckon, you'd
be the same. You could just show me I reckon
four or five Dolly shots pushing in and you could
pick Paul Thomas Anderson's because it's so smooth and just
he just does it in a different way to everybody else.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, he's brilliant, brilliant finding actors as well.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Again, I keep going on about the extra features that
we no longer get on streaming, but I love seeing
how things came to be, even People and Boogie Knights.
He did that as a short film first, and it
was just basically the story of Dirk Diggler and slighte
(44:25):
Easter Egg the guy in one of the first scenes
that Don Cheatle is selling trying to sell a stereo
to that guy was the original Dirk Diggler in the
short film Ah when you look at him, go, he's
a good looking at guy. He's got to go on.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, great choice, Boogie Knights. Check it out, Love Pta.
I won't mention it again, but you know I did
have dinner with Pta once. I'll talk about you off air,
because I've told this story too many times on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
This is what I was going to say to you.
I was having dinner with the maid of mine and
he said to me, goes, look, and by the way,
this is a very quiet restaurant. There's not much going.
He goes, look behind you, guys. Actually I don't don't
worry about it. And I was like why, and he guys,
he probably won't wte mean infancy anyway. And at the
end I go, why do you want?
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (45:13):
There was a director behind your Paul Thomas and and
and I don't know if you know him, Mike, that's
my fucking favorite director. And you told me so the
one time when someone says look, no, don't and you
don't held me so, yeah, you've had dinner with him.
I still had dinner near him.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Hear him. That's almost just as good. Mate.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
We are going to come back next week. I know
it's inconvenient for you to come back and to the studio.
If you could wear the same clothes, that'll be great.
I'll wear the same clothes.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
It's gonna happen anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And we got to chat about.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, a movie you watched
for the first time this week.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I cannot wait to chat to you about that until then.
Back for now.
Get a Pete Hallier here, Welcome to you Ain't Seen
Nothing Yet? The Movie Podcast, where our chat to a
movie lover, but a classic film they haven't quite got
around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian Troy Kinney.
Troy Kinney is a one man phenomenon. I have so
much respect for Troy. He's an Aussi comedian who basically
(00:24):
decided not to wait for a phone call. A lot
of comedians get stuck waiting for a TV to call
them or a radio opportunity, and Troy just went, nah,
I'm going to do it myself, and almost before others
were doing it, just invested his time and talent and
money into creating sketches and getting them online. He got
(00:45):
a little ensemble together and just started doing really funny
shit online and grew his own audience, and it was
himself that was doing it. Wasn't driven by a network,
it was driven by his own, his own talents and
building that community.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm a massive fan.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Eventually TV did come knocking and he did The Troy
Kenney Show and it was It's fantastic. He's such a clever,
clever mind, and he seemed to be really on the
front foot with a lot of you know, kind of
internet trends, and he really had his finger on the zeitgeist.
Very funny, lovely blake to hang out with. I cast
(01:25):
Troy in this one scene in one of the opening
scenes in How to Stay Married. He's in the office.
My character Greg was letting him go and I remember
having a lot of fun. I think it was on
the first scenes we shot, and it was really nice
doing that with Troy. Check out the live shows which
are happening soon in Melbourne. He's happening very soon in November,
(01:48):
massive show and also go to the Troy Kenney dot
com this to see all all his stuff. He's quite brilliant,
really accessible and I'm bloody stoked to be hanging with
him today.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
All below.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I want to stay here with you. That's the jobber,
my hat, snake, shut my hails.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It could be happening.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Right Soun't seen nothing new.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Hi. My name's Troy Kinney, and my three favorite films
are Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Boogie Night Donny Brasco. But up
until this week, I had never seen Harry Potter and
The Philosopher's Stone. Excuse me, who are you Rubius Hagrid,
keeper of keys and groins at Hogwarts. Of course you'll
(03:01):
know all about Hogwarts.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Sorry, no, no blame me, Harry.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Didn't you ever wonder where your mum and dad learned?
Now want more?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You're a wizard, Harry, I'm a what.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
A wizard and a thumping good, annighted wager. Once you
treat up a little, No, you've made a mistake. I
mean I can't be a wizard. I mean I'm just Harry,
Just Harry well Jess.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Harry grew up on Privet Drive with the dreadful Dursleys,
his uncle Vernon Richard Griffiths and Ardie Petunia Fiona Shaw
and he shit have a kid cousin, Dudley Harry Melling
treat like a third rate citizen. Harry lives under the stairs,
never gets shown any love or kindness. But Harry's world
is about to change when a twelve foot bearded Hagrid
(03:54):
Robbie Coltrane tracks him down to give him some news
he could never have expected. Harry is, in fact a wizard,
and not just any wizard. He is the boy who lived,
a boy who survived the evil clutches of he who
shall not be named our buggret. It's Lord Voldemort, for
whom Harry will become a thorn in his side for
years to come. Harry's days of living under the staircase
(04:16):
are over. He's now heading to Hogwarts, a school for
wizard where he shall meet his first best friends Ron Weasley,
Rupert Grint and Harmony Granger Emma Watson, among a throng
of new faces, some friendly, others not so. Harry's abilities
will be tested, as will his courage as darker forces
begin to track him down. Based on the literary phenomenon
(04:39):
created by JK. Rowling, it's how to think of any
pop cultural juggernaut that has left a bigger mark than
Harry Potter over the last thirty years. Troy Kinney, are
you prepared to say his name of the one who
shall not be named?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Are you? I said it?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I said it, Voldemort.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
This episode is doomed.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Glad you said, because I wouldn't have limited.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We've been trying to organize this for a long time
to get you on the show.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm thrilled to have you on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Thanks mate, And why I mean this is one that
you know has loomed large and you somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Would pick it. I wasn't completely sure if I was
getting really nippicked.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Is it a movie classic or is it a certainly
obviously the book is, you know, a phenomenon. But I
was like, no, enough people saw Repotted a massive it's
a massive movie, a massive franchise. Of course it could be.
It's beloved and is right of the classic, But why
hadn't you seen it?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I was half under the impression that I had. And
then because I just because I like to think I
watch everything. Yeah, and I just assumed I had. And
then and the reason it's big in my life at
the moment, my nephew is into it. Two young girls
that live next door to me. They come over and
(06:06):
they would like turn on my Netflix or Disney Plus
to watch it, and we had to have an unlock
door policy, so they come in and finish watching them
all because they were reading the books in school. And
I have always admittedly been not attracted to period pieces,
if that makes sense, like Downtown Abbey, things like that.
(06:27):
I can't get into them. I sort of needed to
be in the world of now, or at least something
relatable and for some reason in my head I thought
Harry Potter was a period piece or I put it
in that category. But the weird thing is is over
(06:48):
the years, I have sort of faked, unknowingly a little
bit that I had seen it, because I've been like,
I've been on the Harry Potter ride at Universal Studios
with a mate who's obsessed with and I acted like, yeah,
this is amazing. I can't believe they're in Harry Potter work.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Probably were in an end or oh I loved Tadawayne.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And the game as you're playing the guidditch like I
got on these fake briefs. I don't know what's going on.
And then my ex partner was from England and near
her house was and by the way, it must have
been one of the secrets, because I still haven't seen it.
Was a big tree that everyone was getting their photo
with and she goes, oh, that's the Harry Potter tree.
(07:34):
So oh yeah, it's got a selfie with it. I
don't know what it is, but I have faked that
I am into Harry Potter for so long without actually
having seen it. And my fear was when I watched
it last night that I'm going to put it on
and go, oh, I have seen this, but I definitely
hadn't seen it. I hadn't seen it, and I looked
into because I was confused as well, why haven't I
(07:55):
seen this? Because I could feel my childhood of me
getting angry at me as I was watching the starters.
I'm like, I would have loved watching this as a kid,
but I looked up when it came out. I was
twenty three years old, so I was chasing babes, mate,
I wasn't chasing foots.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You're chasing the Golden Snatch, not the Golden Snatch.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So that's my excuse. I just didn't come out at
the time period where I was seeking something like that
to watch. Yeah, so it's good to now, even though
I've only seen one of them, be a part of
the Harry Potter Club because I feel like I've been
a phony for so many years.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And you had not read the books.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, I haven't read the books either, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Because I read the books and really, well, sorry, I
read the first three or four and then it got
to I think it's a gobble of the fire, which
became like it was like three times bigger than the
other books, and I just went.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm enjoying them.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But I'm twenty nine and I don't feel like I
need these books to be that big. I shouldn't say
that children's author, you know. And I love that Harry
Potter exists in the world, both in its you know,
literary form and it's a Sallyloid form, and yeah, I
do look forward to discussing that as the new format
(09:14):
for you and see nothing yet. We'll discuss that next
week in part two. So yeah, I cannot wait to
learn what you thought about Harry Potter after all these years.
But I was a bit the same way. Basically, these
movies came out at a time when, yeah, I was
in my late twenties and interesting. All right, try before
(09:34):
we get into your three favorite films, we ask our
listeners to leave us messages on our speak pipe. Just
follow the links and it's at a voice message I
can leave. They can You can leave a question a
comment about a previous episode of film that you might
want us to check out. And this one comes from Sam.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Hey, what's up, guys, a fan of the podcast except
for like the fight Club episode Good God and also
the Happy Gilmour episode Sweet baby James, what is the
deal with having like when you have guests on like
(10:18):
this where you think, oh, this person is probably not
gonna like this. You should have them sit down and
listen to five like film experts, like who know what
they're talking about, talk about the movie before they come on,
because it's the most infuriating. Like you demonstrated to this
lady about Fight Club over and over and over that
(10:38):
Brad Pitt is a good actor, not my favorite, not
the best certainly, but she would not let it go
like she doesn't understand fight Club at all, but she
just both barrels blast and it's the hardest thing I
might have ever had to listen to.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
There, I think Sam I Samy's uh, it was to
me you saying American apologies if you're Canadian, Sam, thanks
for leaving that message. I'm glad you said you love
the podcast at the top because I've a little bit
pair shaped.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
After definitely passionate about films. Yes, which is the audience
you want.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Which is great to fight episode Troy, it was Kate Langbrook.
And if you're Australian, you know, you know, we all
know Kate Lanbrook. I've worked with her many times. She's
a great friend of mine, and she is renowned for having,
you know, strong opinions, and you know, unabashedly, unapologetically having
(11:34):
big opinions. There's often sometimes her tongue is in her
cheek sometimes. But also I would say that this Sam
mentioned that you know, they should listen to five experts
to talk about That's not really what this podcast is about,
because I've made this point many times. We talked to
(11:58):
somebody who has just seen a film for the first time,
and they are sometimes the night before, sometimes that morning,
and they are still processing the film. We've had episodes
where people's opinion of the film changes as the episode
goes along.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And it's also a film that, for some reason, whether
it be practical or mental, you have put off watching
all your life, in a way forcing your brain to
watch it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yes, yeah, yes, And they're all just opinions. I mean,
there's an episode of Hamish Hamish McDonald Punstrang Love, which
one of my favorite films, and we're gonna talk aout
Portom Sanderson soon, but he did not get it, and
some listeners, you know, really kind of good sense my frustration.
(12:47):
But I really enjoyed that episode and I enjoy sometimes
when you know my guests hasn't loved the.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, we had Aaron Blaby who watched Boyhood.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Now I don't have the emotional connection with Boyhood than
I do something like Punch Strong Love. But I still
really enjoyed Boyhood and he just didn't connect for him,
and I still think it's it's a worthwhile conversation to have. Also,
whether Brad Pick can act or not. I mean I
clearly think he can. I think he's he's great, but
some actors is for some people up the wrong way. Yeah,
(13:19):
so Sam, I do love I do love your passion.
And sorry that was hard to listen to. But yeah,
Happy Happy Gilmour was also Julia Morris. I did that
and didn't love Happy as much as which is you know,
like that's kind of I can't get it, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's it's you love the sequel.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
We'll do Happy Gilmore too with Julia Morris coming soon.
But yes, staky Sam for getting onto us. I hope
you enjoy future episodes and and and episodes you're catching
up on, and yes, and let us know when you
get onto the speak pipe where you might be listening from,
so we can send out a serio to that part
of the world. All Right, Troy, let's talk about the
(14:05):
three films that you are, your three favorites. Let's begin
with the comedy. Let's begin with Dirty Run Scandals, beautiful
piece of comedy.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, I love it. And what I did was, I'm
sure you're the same in I stress so much over
picking my top three films because they change all the time.
And I thought everyone's going to say, back to the future,
surely they that'd.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Be Princess Bride comes up a bit, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, the classics that you know when we're at the
prime age of taking in a movie. But I thought,
all right, let's think of my favorite films that I
wish I made. Like if someone would just say, what's
the film you've made, I'm like, dirty, Rotten Scoundrel. I
think is just script wise, perfect film. The performances are amazing,
so I guess, and I'm sure you'd know. There's the
(14:50):
original which is called Bedtime Story, Yes, which has Marlon
Brando in it, which, weirdly, Marlon Brando plays the Steve
Martin character, whereas I would have thought he would have
played the Michael Kaine character. Yeah, but I have seen.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I have seen it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I've seen it, and it's it is word for word,
like it's real. It's pretty much exactly the same, which
is surprising, like even the scenes.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
With rupricked, and because I would have thought Steve Martin
was doing a lot of improvising.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Like Steve, that's where you see Steve Martin has put
his thing on it. But like the scene which I
think is possibly the funniest scene in movie history, the
wheelchair scene where he's whipping his legs, that's in the
Bedtime Story one as well. Yeah, so it's interesting you
see Marlon Brando's version of Steve Martin, wow doing that. Yeah,
(15:42):
you've got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And obviously so Steve Martin would have seen that like thought,
all right, I've got to do my version of it.
Yeah yeah, I mean we can say now Steve Martin,
you know, he's obviously a genius with that sort of stuff.
But Marlon Brando one, it's it's right up there.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And Michael Kane is so good in that he's he's
kind of effortlessly funny, like Steve Martin's going for him
being Steve Martin. And that's that's what you want. You know,
it's one of the best Steve Martin performances. You know,
before he started dialing things down just a little bit,
you know, with your Father of the Brides and that
kind of stuff and parenthoods. But Michael Kane is this.
(16:25):
It's hard to put your finger on why his performance
is funny, but.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It is, yeah, and he just it's that the classic
thing of less is more like he doesn't try to
be funny. I think that's why he's funny. As if
he thought, oh, I'm opposite Steve Martin here, I better
put some extra on it, that he'd probably lose what
he's got. But because he is just playing it straight,
(16:50):
and you know, he's obviously skilled enough to let the
writing speak for itself and realize, oh, the magic's on
the page. I just deliver it. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's funny because neither character really they're not likable. You know,
they're likable because they're funny. And there you know, you
gotta know you're watching a movie and it's funny. It's
fun with what Steve Martin, but as far as like
Seinfeld in the way like the characters aren't really on
paper likable.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's such a good point because you sort of in
your head you think Steve Martin is the least likable character,
he's the worst one of you. But he's actually not.
Michael Kaine's taking him for more money. He's actually worse.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But in your head, just from the character traits, I
guess you just assume, Oh, the Steve Martin character, he's
the dodgy one. Yeah, but no, it's just because Michael
Kaine does it with class that we sort of get
tricked into. He knows what he's doing. You can't.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And you have the lead actress who obviously they're trying
to swindle.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, of course, you know. There's twist and a long match.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
She's passed away now, isn't she She has Yeah, Glenn Hedley,
who is in Dick Tracy as well, mister Holland's Opus.
That's a really under I think I suspect that it's
an underrated performance, you know, because, yeah, Steve Martin, Michael
Kaye get all the kudos in that movie, but it
doesn't work without her performance.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Exactly, And I think that is what pushes the film
over the top for me into the top three category.
The ending where she has fooled both of them and
comes out trumps. That's just the perfect cherry on the
Sunday is the ending of that film. So oh, you
want every film to have an ending like that?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah, did you see the there's a remaker with
the Rebel and yeah, and Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
A lot of time.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
For Rebel, Oh yeah, and I but there's there was
a block in my mind about it. I just thought,
I love well.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
That's That's what was funny for me because I had
the same thought of don't you want scandal? I don't
want to ruin. I don't know's it's I like it
as it is. But then when you see Bedtime Story,
did people who say see that think the same as
Steve Martin and Michael Kaine plastic film because you're watching
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go well it is pretty much exactly the same film.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, so maybe you have, like in a couple of years,
you have, like, you know, you people saying, I'm not
seeing the Mayor Strange and Timothy Shallon a version of
The Hustle. I'm not doing that Rebel and hath the
way they in the original.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You can't beat it and Frank oz Is.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
How good is Frank Eyes? I mean, do you imagine
like him as Yoda behind the scene, I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Can't his name.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, it is such a It is such a If
you haven't seen Ultimate Puppet Master, if you.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Haven't seen Dirty Run Scandals, see it is it is.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I never saw the stage show of it, did you?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
No? No?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Only hopefully that goes around again because I'd love to
see it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, Steve Martin when he's in full flight, I mean,
my favorite film, favorite comedy is playing strains and Automobiles,
and I just I love when he finds his that
groove of like yeah, you know, yeah, the physical comedy.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, but he's got other stuff to play with as well.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, that's where you're see in that scene I said,
I think is possibly the funniest scene of and this is.
You know, you'd be the same as me, how much
you miss a full cinema theater watching it. And I
remember watching that with my parents and my dad just
losing it. And that's probably a bit of nostalgia around
as well. But when he's getting his legs whipped and
(20:38):
so he's playing pretending to be paraplegic, but he's not.
And then Michael Kaine's character obviously comes in pretending to
be a psychologist that can help him, and he's got
to do it in front of the woman that they're
both trying to seduce as part of the bet the
con and even just when he takes his sock off, goes,
(21:00):
well you might be feeling mister piggy, will you and
he just does a little guest and even Steve Martin's
face where it's just like you can tell he that
is tickling him so much, but he has to keep
his composer Like that's where you know, no offense to
Marlon Brando. He's had some great performances, but when you
watch that, yeah, well that's where Steve Martin shines. Yeah,
(21:23):
he's just he brings that little something more.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And that's the one the constant one upmanship that you
on first view you don't see them coming. And you know,
it's like when when Steve Martin gets out of the
wheelchair to get to the bed because Glenn Headley's there
and revealed that Michael Kaine's in the corner.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, it's just I mean that's a good point. There's
so many little reveals where yeah, you think Michael Kaine's
getting up because he's sitting next to the woman and
he's playing. He's using his old trick of losing money,
and they sorry, but he keeps winning. And then as
he's getting somewhere, he has to make room for someone
(22:07):
trying to get to the table, and it's Steve Martin
in a wheelchair and he can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, it's trapped.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And then the next of you is Steve Martin in
the room. She's found the psychologist and it's Michael Kay.
Nothing of a surprise, so good.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Check it out. Dirty Roden Scoundrels, Donny Brasco. I've seen
Donny Brasco. Really enjoyed Donny Brasco. You probably have to
remind me of you, Donny Brasco, Johnny Depp, al Pacino.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
A true story.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, well that's I'm surprised it's in my top three.
And I think that's credit to how good the story
is and the performances, because I like to think, like,
for example, we just talked about Dirty at the Scoundrels,
I just think the script is amazing, whereas like something
that's based on a true story, I'm like, yeah, well
you somebody, you're getting out of creativity with the script
(22:59):
a bit because the story is already there, but this
one it's just so fascinating and I think it's al
Pacino could be like his best performance. I mean, you
gotta put Godfather aside stuff. He it's almost like his
second phase of his acting. He's playing an older guy
(23:22):
who's like's not he used to be tough and now
he's losing it a bit. Yeah, and it's just so
cool to see, like he's a bit forgetful. Like a
couple of my favorite lines of his are just like
I said that, like he forgets something.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He said, Yeah, it's because you think of Pacino the
Godfather and it's very kind of in control, and this
was one where he is more vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And that's the friendship between him and
Donnie Brasco played by Johnny Depp. Is almost out of
desperation because it's Chino's character. Lefty is his nickname, don't
even know what his actual name is.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Lefty.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
He's clinging to Johnny Depp because that's almost his way
of staying in the game, Like I brought this guy
in his mind and now they're a team. So it's
him just trying to stay in It's got like almost
high school fuels of if I'm friends with this person,
then I get to keep hagging it around. But it's
his group of friends is the mafia, so he's trying
(24:27):
to keep his leg in the mafia and stay stay cool,
and just seeing him get overlooked for boss positions and
he has to copy it on the chin and just.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So give us a quick reminder of those who haven't
seen it, what the short synopsis. Obviously, it's Johnny Depp
goes undercover.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, undercover detective who is trying to infiltrate any type
of organized crime. And you see him. The opening is
just him in a bar trying to get noticed by
these guys who are who we're seeing their life, and
that's al Pacino's there and they notice him and ask
(25:07):
who he is, and he's Johnny Deppy's name. Donny Bresco's
don the Jeweler. So he's purposely taken on a trade
where they might use him. Al Pacino's character needs him
to do something for him, so, essentially, to give it
a short synopsis, Donny Brasco becomes friends with Lefty al
(25:28):
Pacino's character in order to infiltrate and get information about
the mob, but he actually becomes really genuine friends with him,
who cares about him, And so it gets to the
point where Donny Brasco is becoming a gangster and he's
more invested in that life than his own family life
(25:50):
and his life outside. And then, to make matters worse,
the little gang that he joined ends up becoming the
head of the mafia, like the main family, and so
now he's in like the biggest mafia family of all
and the cops outside or worried. I don't think he
(26:12):
realizes that he's undercover detective anymore. He's actually like he's
putting more effort into the life of helping them just
because he's become such good friends with Leftying it genuinely
cares about him.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And plot spoiler, So the skip ahead if you want
to watch it. So this skip ahead a couple of
thirty seconds. Maybe does he get revealed, Well.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That sort of leaves your hanging run bit, but well
he does because he is basically at the point where
he's trying to help Lefty get out of the mafia
because he knows if you don't I have to tell people.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, who you are.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
And you're going to jail, so he's trying to but
at the same time they've realized who that Donnie Donny
Brasco is an FBI agent, and and al Pacino he's
like refuses to believe it, and so on the in
the last scene, you're sort of watching them and al
(27:15):
Pacino's taking him to perform a hit on someone, but
you don't know his al Pacino just going to kill
Donny Brasco.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Those movies with that deal with like yeah, undercover cops
infiltrating mafia in film affairs of the part of Obviously remake.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
They're so tense, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, well, I was so gripping when I first watched its.
Like you you know, sometimes you go to the bathroom
or check your phone. You won't check your phone watching this,
like it just keeps you in And yeah, by the
end when it's such a yeah spoiler great anywhen al
Pacino's sitting there, Donny Brasco's out and he's getting awarded medals,
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but he doesn't even really want them for the job
he's done because he knows he's just screwed over someone
that became a friend. And Alpacna' is just sitting there
and he gets a phone call and just seems say goodbye,
Who's wife's going out for a bit, And he puts
his watches and jewelry in the box, so he knows
I'm going to get killed by the market because I
brought Donny Brasco, who he brought into the gang because
(28:19):
then thought he was cool by doing that. He got
himself killed because he brought in the mole.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think I'll watch it again actually, because I haven't
seen it for so many years. It has come up
a couple of times as people's favorite. Okay, not as
much as you know other films, but it certainly it
has come up. But yeah, I must go back.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And I became so me and a mate became so
obsessed with you know, and you just have a movie
where just half our conversations lines from Donny Brasco. And
we're in New York together in little Italy, and we've
said we've got to go have a beer at the
bar where Donny Brasco and left his first meet and
we went there and his girlfriends with it's just like
taking photos, just so bored. And then we left and
(29:04):
we went and had a mere little restaurant, like you know,
probably a block away, and we looked around, went, oh no,
this is the one that we had to take the
photos again. We're in the wrong bar. I don't want
to say every bar looks the same in Little.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Have you got the right tree? For Harry Potter? A
random you've got a selfie with? Let's talk about Boogie Nights.
Paul Thomas Anderson my favorite filmmaker. Very excited at the
time of recording. I have not seen one Battle after Another,
which is his brand new film with Leonardo Dicapriana, already
getting rave reviews. Cannot wait to see it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I'm so excited about that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh well, let's just talk it. Paul Thomas and Yeah.
What do you love about him?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, oh, you you'll agree with me here, I know it.
What so streaming Netflix and everything? Yeah, they're great. I'll
tell you what. We've lost director's commentary. We used to
get DVD's. It's my favorite thing. And and I see
little clips now on Instagram and stuff of it'll be
(30:14):
like something from the extras of a DVD and they
would just write a statement that I know. I remember
that audio commentary character I'm like, I've still got all
my DVD's. I'm tempted to just rip them all and
start an Instagram page, because that's all stuff no under
see because used to get so much information, especially if
you're someone who's into trying to make film and creative
(30:37):
in any way. And I remember watching the Boogie Nights
one with Paul Thomas Anderson, and something that stuck out
was so in Boogie Nights. I just loved the style
of it. And I probably saw it at the best
time when I was so into I just finished UNI,
where I did screenwriting and that sort of stuff, and
I loved that a lot of the scenes where you're
first meeting characters, he'll show three quick shots of their
(31:01):
lifestyle and then it'll slowly push in on the scene.
And in the audio commentary with him, he said that
he noticed some criticism of, you know, his filmmaking style
that you know, it's almost arbitrary, just showing off like
it's not part of the story. And I expected him
(31:23):
to say, you know, give his reasons why and why
it is part of the story, and he goes, and
I just think, if if you criticize them for showing
off in a film. I just think that's bullshit. I'm like, yeah,
if you want to make your film look cool, what's
wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Style is fine?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But his films are, you know, as stylish as they are.
They never style over substance. There's always substance there.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, and yeah, it's not compensating for anything. It's not
adding final touches.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
See, I don't He's my favorite filmmaking.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I don't have a Pta film in my top three,
and maybe not even one in my top five because
I think I think I've worked out my top three
as people.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Change as well.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Not really, but it's Godfather Parts two and one as
as my one.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I've cheated.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I was thinking, what if I'd tell you my three
A Rocky one two we have to talk about Rocket
whole time.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
And Sideways and and oh wow, I love Sideways.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That's that's a great commentary, very funny commentary, audio commentary
for GM Marty and Thomas Hayden Church and Playing Strange
and Autorobiles, and I think four and five Star Wars,
Empire Strikes Back I might have be cheated again and
Strikes Backs that Star was and Back to the Future.
I think they would be my top five films. But
I couldn't even tell you what my favorite Paul Thomas
(32:44):
Anderson film because that changes a lot. Same But it
could be Boogie Knights, but it could be Magnolia, it
could be Punk Strung, Love Adore.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It could be There Will Be Black. I mean, those
are the four to be after.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
If you pick, like, I wouldn't put There Will Be Bluddy.
But if I look back, I've watched There Will Be
Blood about twenty times. Yeah, but Daniel day Lewis anything
he does will But I mean I've watched the commentary
with that as well, and it's interesting Paul Thomas Anderson
with that one. At the start, Daniel da Lewis was
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playing the character slightly different, he said, and he is
any of all the actors, I feel like I couldn't
do this with it's Daniel day Lewis because he's such
a method process. Once he's in it and he goes,
I had to pull him aside and make him he
doesn't watch dailies or anything. I had to make him
watch to see if he's okay with what he's doing.
And Daniel da Lewis agreed, he goes, You're right, I
(33:37):
gotta I gotta change something, I thought. So I sort
of agree with there because I think boogie Nights. I'll
admit it's in there. Because I saw it at the
perfect time. I couldn't have been more into films. Saw
it at the cinema, went back and saw it and it.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Was just like also because I hadn't seen Heart eight,
which is I hadn't yeah, yeah, So this was for me,
a brand new filmmaker for all intents and purposes, it
is his first film for me. And I remember that
this reading that there was a bit of buzz about it,
and there's unlikely because you know, it was said in
(34:18):
the porn industry, so that had made some waves. And
I saw it at cinema over in Carlton here in Melbourne,
and it was just so, that's one of the best
films I've seen. Yeah, I stylistically was amazing. The performance
it was funny but like tragic and that I.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Think that's what It's got a bit of everything. Yeah,
and that's hard to I don't really see many films
that have that, like genuine funny, laugh out loud moments
where the cinema's pissing themselves laughing.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
And also Heartbreak as well.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, I mean the John c Riley and Wilburg stuff Hoffban,
I mean, I mean the cast is incredible. Julianne Moore
and Mark Wilburg does a great job and it's so Yeah,
I think it's so nuanced and it's about family.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
For me.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's also not like people get don Cheetah as well.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
The grame is so good.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I mean the role that the the when she gets
attacked in the in the limo and yeah, just stomps
on that and that sequence, Yeah, the music that's playing
during that sequence. And then you got Warburg and you know,
Dirk Diggler and the guys trying to rip off.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, you know that the dude that you know, I forget,
Alfred Molina.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, and that And that's another thing from the commentary.
Paul Thomas Fan and the fire crackers. This guy's like
they were real and Jess his girl's playing because in
any other film you'd fake that and put the noise
in later. But he said they were real because he
wanted the Mark Wahlburg and the actors to be so
on edge, and the fire crackers are just like like
you're trying to remember your dialogue of that fire goes.
(35:55):
It just made it so intense. This kid's just lighting
fire crackers for no reason, like just no method to
it either, just lights one, chucks that lights one.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, and the tension and that there's all those characters
are so vulnerable that you've got mate Macy. It's almost
a joke that his wife's getting banged behind his back
every time he turns a corner and she's having sex
with you know, one of the crew members that it
was a gag and then it had all backs.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Its tragic. It's this really tragic ending to it, you know,
and it's the whole thing I just just love. And
then you know the.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Don Cheatle trying to get the money for you know,
and he can't get the money because he works in porn,
and it's just I just think, Yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Even at the little moment where don Cheedle's character he's
just going to get donuts and there's a robbery that goes.
Everyone gets killed, but don Cheedle. Yeah, Like it's even
just that little that could be a short film. That's
like it's very pole fiction esque. Yeah, And that just
that alone, and that's just like one little bit of
the film. It's just filled with so many moments like that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Tarantino and portom Senator became great mate because they they
were often spoken about in articles and you know about
that these are the two directors you know, who are
you know making the best films at the time. And
so eventually this went we should probably meet because I
feel like every article about me they mentioned you and
vice versa.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So they have become really good friends.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
And and Tarantino said that when he saw there would
be blood, he said, I need to raise my game. Yes, wow,
I think that's when he made a glorious bastons. I
need to go to the next level because this guy's
this guy's good.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
How good is that?
Speaker 5 (37:34):
So?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And I love to This was.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
A time where there was a cinema, which one was
that it was the member the village that was in
the city in Melbourne, and there was one where you
showed your ticket at the front and then it was
a long walk to all the cinemas. So once if
you saw something during the day, and this was when
Buginis came out. I think there was like Titanic and
good were hunting. So I'd like you just would watch
(38:00):
a movie come out, wait for another to start and
just go in. So I watched like four movies in
one day, but pay for one really. But what I
loved was spoiler alert again, if you haven't watched Boogie
Nights and you're going to the end of Boogie Knights,
finally Dirk Diggler flops out his Yes, that's got him
all this work, and he's got a really big penis obviously,
(38:21):
and you see it. And I used to love watching
when that movie had ended and you'd see I'd watch
the people coming out. You'd see the ladies coming out
sort of smirking, talking to each other, and the guy's
just shaking their heads. So I can't be real. I
love seeing how a movie starts, Like if I'm late
to a movie, I don't go. I love seeing how
(38:42):
a movie starts and how a movie ends.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I feel the same way when I wrote in a
football match where I've read the first two minutes, it's
like I haven't got I haven't got the rhythm of
what the narrative.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Is yet, you know, And then yeah, and the start
of Boogie Knights, I mean, we've just seen the studio.
I don't know when you're hearing this, but the studio
just won so many Emmys recently, which is known for
all the one is and boogie Knights. I mean, we
know Goodfellas has got a good one of a boogie
(39:13):
Knight's opening scene where for me, this is the most
important thing. How do you set a move out? Just
has a one one take shot as well that just
goes from a crane down to the ground and then
goes through this nightclub where we meet everyone and it's
all done in one shot, and there's dialogue and everything
and dancing. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, and you certainly see this score says, you know, influence. Yeah,
but it's an influence, it doesn't, you know, like he
brings so much more. The reason he does that one
shot because he comes down over the nightclub and you
actually he's got Boogie Knights written at the front of
the nightclub because he had the studio made him change
the name of Hard eight everython it's called Sydney and
(39:56):
they may they made So he goes, if I do
this is one shot and I have Booi Knights written
at the front, they can't, they can't. They can't make
me change it. That's I mean, you could argue that
they could have said, Okay, well the nightclubs it's called
Booge Knights, and now you call the movie, you know,
mister Horner. But yeah, and there's that scene vulnerability when
(40:17):
like and this is when you know you're kind of
like watching a great film when you remember the Faraly
brother said, when did when did you know that there's
something about Mary was going to be hit, that you
had a hit on your hands, And they said it
was when the scene where Ben Steeller meets Matt Dillon,
(40:37):
who's who's gone out to find Mary. He's a private
detective and he's seen it. That's Cameron Diaz and there's falling,
you know, falling in las Cameron Diaz. So he goes
back to her and says how she's's obeese and she's
got go of these kids in a wheelchair. You know,
paints quite a picture. And and you know Ben Steel's
(40:58):
character still says I want to I still want to
meet her. That doesn't doesn't give up, you know, the
chase for Mary, And that's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
The heart of the feeling is, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And I think I think with Boogie Knights, there's a
scene where's his mum just like tears down all his posters.
And there's something that always gets me about that scene.
I think, both remembering what your bedroom means to you
as a kid and the posters that you decide to
put on your room, it's kind of reflective.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Of who you are.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's like us discussing what's our top three movies. Yeah,
what goes on your bedroom wall? Yeah, it is such
a representation of you.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, and you need it to be at an age
where you may have paid two dollars for that poster,
so actually you've invested something in it, and so and
you put it on the wall, and she's tearing down
everything that's important to him.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Like if I the thought of like me doing that
to my own kids, yeah breaks my heart.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean I would never do it, obviously, but the
thought of it is just so that and that really
only came to me, not necessarily the first couple of
times obviously Book Nights.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah again like twenty times, but that the more I
watch it, that scene really gets to me. And so
you do.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
And Margie Mark's performance in that as.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well, Yeah, he's distraught, devastated, and you know, I think
that's because you know, and and what.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Happens at the end of that scene he runs away
from home, slams the door. Next scene, door opened, Jack Corner. Yeah,
welcome to your new family and your porn family.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
The father figure one family to the other. I love that,
the style of when when you know New Year's Eve
as well, where they've basically gone from Julian Moore takes
He about to do cocaine and that's the first, I think,
the first time he's done drugs, and then everything changes
after that, everything goes to ship. You know, it's like
a new year, and this new is not going to
be good. He's going to become drug addicted. He's going
(42:49):
to lose his way, and you know, porn's gone from
using film to videotape and it's just it's it's such
a good movie. I bloody love it. And go see
if you've seen Booking, I go see that, but check
out and try to see it in the cinema that
he shot. He shoots all his films on film. You
can see one battle after another in imax.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I think this, my my understanding, is might have been
his best film.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Coming up.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I've got to lower my expectations. A chill pill on it.
But I think what I'm excited about it looks like
there's a lot of action in it. It looks like
some of these films have slowed up a little bit,
you know, Phantom and even the Chris Pizza, which I
really enjoyed, but I wouldn't mind him. Yeah, just getting
(43:39):
a dose of action in there. Apparently there's a car shop.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Almost his own advice from the commentary Bookie Nights.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Show off of it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, you can do exactly I feel I reckon, you'd
be the same. You could just show me I reckon
four or five Dolly shots pushing in and you could
pick Paul Thomas Anderson's because it's so smooth and just
he just does it in a different way to everybody else.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, he's brilliant, brilliant finding actors as well.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Again, I keep going on about the extra features that
we no longer get on streaming, but I love seeing
how things came to be, even People and Boogie Knights.
He did that as a short film first, and it
was just basically the story of Dirk Diggler and slighte
(44:25):
Easter Egg the guy in one of the first scenes
that Don Cheatle is selling trying to sell a stereo
to that guy was the original Dirk Diggler in the
short film Ah when you look at him, go, he's
a good looking at guy. He's got to go on.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, great choice, Boogie Knights. Check it out, Love Pta.
I won't mention it again, but you know I did
have dinner with Pta once. I'll talk about you off air,
because I've told this story too many times on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
This is what I was going to say to you.
I was having dinner with the maid of mine and
he said to me, goes, look, and by the way,
this is a very quiet restaurant. There's not much going.
He goes, look behind you, guys. Actually I don't don't
worry about it. And I was like why, and he guys,
he probably won't wte mean infancy anyway. And at the
end I go, why do you want?
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (45:13):
There was a director behind your Paul Thomas and and
and I don't know if you know him, Mike, that's
my fucking favorite director. And you told me so the
one time when someone says look, no, don't and you
don't held me so, yeah, you've had dinner with him.
I still had dinner near him.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Hear him. That's almost just as good. Mate.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
We are going to come back next week. I know
it's inconvenient for you to come back and to the studio.
If you could wear the same clothes, that'll be great.
I'll wear the same clothes.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
It's gonna happen anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And we got to chat about.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, a movie you watched
for the first time this week.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I cannot wait to chat to you about that until then.
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