May 21, 2024 • 31 mins
Judge Jeanine Pirro, author of Crimes Against America and host of the Five, joins us with her take on the Merchan/Bragg witch hunt for President Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
An hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and ninety
four one, Shawn our number if you want to be
a part of the program. But we've gone over what
was a just complete, utter, unmitigated shock in the trial,
the sham trial of Donald Trump yesterday. The biggest problem
that the defense faces at this point is not that
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they've proven a thing. They've proven nothing, absolutely nothing. They've
not even identified the law. But to watch Judge Murshawn
go at what is a legal expert, Bradley Smith who
understands the heart of the law that is supposedly that
the novel legal theory that the prosecution is putting on
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in this case and limit the ability of Judge Mershawn
to inform the jury that this is not a crime
is pretty unbelievable. Bradley Smith was on my TV show
specifically talking about this very issue. Former FEC chair, there's
no violation at all in the NBA agreement that although
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Trump is involved in that Michael Clone told everybody and
their mother based on his own testimony yesterday and the
testimony of Bob Costello before Congress, I mean not that
they let him talk either. Here's Bradley Smith, former FBC
chair on my TV show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
The claim made by the DA is the federal law
says something is a campaign contribution if it's made with
the for the purpose of influencing a campaign.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And that's the argument.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, they were trying to do this because they thought
if they could pay hush money to Stormy Daniels, that
would help Trump's campaign.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So that's the theory.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Most of us would not think that it is a
campaign expenditure to try to settle potential legal claims against
you or other claims against you for events that occurred
ten years before you talked about running for office, you know,
to pay allegedly to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels
or anybody else. And the odd theory of of the
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DA Bragg is that not only could those expenses be
paid with campaign funds, they would have to be paid
with campaign funds. I think again, it's a common senseman,
that's clearly wrong. But also when you look at the
statute and you realize that's an objective standard, it's clearly
not correct to say that these were funds that count
as a campaign expenditure.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Pretty just unbelievable. Of course, the judges does not want
the jury to hear any of this, and they fall.
The prosecutions fighting and the judge is granting every motion.
That's what resulted in Bob Costello, whose credentials are impeccable,
to roll his eyes and be like, you're kidding me,
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because he understands the law, and he understands an abusively
biased judge, as we all know, the Biden donor judge
with a parent family conflicts, who should have recused himself
from the get go, you know, even the mob the media,
by the way. And then we have the issue of
Michael Cohene. What do we have August twenty eighteen, pleads
guilty campaign finance violation, bank fraud, five counts of tax evasion.
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In twenty eighteen, also pleading guilty to lying to the
US Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Intelligence Committee about the
Trump Moscow Tower Moscow deal that never existed, you know,
and of course then admitting that he's a thief on
top of everything else, stealing sixty thousand dollars from the
Trump organization. Even the mob in the media didn't exactly
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think that him stealing from President Trump went over particularly
well for the prosecution.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I'm still kind of reeling from the revelation that
Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization, and that wasn't,
at least to my knowledge, that the prosecution didn't get
that out earlier.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
The prosecution is painted Michael Cohen as sort of this bumbling,
pathetic character whose only sins were his misguided, undying loyalty
to Donald Trump. But now you see something a little different.
Now there's an argument to me that actually, you're just
an opportunistic thief.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
The fact that he was never charged with larcening is
important because stealing sixty thousand dollars through fraud, which would
be larceny in New York State, is more serious of
a crime than falsifying business.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
They knew about this, they minimized it. The prosecutor misled
this jury.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
That's what I would are.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Are you allowed to say that, yes, sir?
Speaker 8 (04:22):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, Well, the prosecutor, we learned also from Bob Costello,
was specifically told about exculpatory evidence before he brought this
case before the grand jury and purposely withheld that exculpatory evidence, which,
by the way, he is required to present to them
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as a matter of law. You don't believe me, then
you've got to believe my next guest, which is Judge
Janim Piro. By the way, her new book, I mean
it is literally ripped out of today's headlines, Crimes against America.
It's on Hannity dot com, Amazon dot com, bookstores around
the country tree Uh, and you know, best selling author
that she is. But it goes to the heart of
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all of this. It's a must read if you want
to preserve you know, law and order and our great
constitutional republic, which I would argue is now currently in jeopardy. Uh, Judge,
I was gonna call you and because we're good friends,
make a little bit of fun of you. Yesterday I
was watching the hit show The Five that you're a
part of, and okay, okay, hold on. It was it
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was what was it, Barbie Day? It was like all
pink day?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, crack me. You even had pink shoes on.
Speaker 9 (05:32):
You know, yes when when you said yester and then
I thought, yeah, that's what I writ pink shoes, pink clothes.
Can I tell you after this year, I'm never wearing
pink again. Why short, Sean? And I tell you everything
is pink for women. I'm so over this Barbie thing
and it's not an ode to Barbie. I could care
less what it is. Although you know, the thing behind
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the Barbie doll is that Barbie was supposed to be
a professional woman at a time when all dollars are
to be mothers. And you know, it doesn't matter to
me one way or another.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I was both.
Speaker 9 (06:03):
I mean, come on, kids, and I had a career
and I ran her office and all that other stuff.
But I'm so over pink right now.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well I don't. I just all I could think about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Unfortunately, Barbie Rune pink for everybody else in the movie,
which I cannot as a guy. You know, hang on
to my man card if I go to a Barbie
movie or call it up and rent it and watch it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I couldn't imagine that day.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But you know, I love you, and you're the best,
and you are impeccably dressed all the time and just
a class act all the way around. It's you know,
I said that your book Crimes against America ripped right
out of the headlines. I'm not wrong, it is. I
know you've been on both sides of this, both as
a judge and prosecutor. I've been listening to your commentary
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you've been dead on accurate.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
Well, the truth is that I've been one Mershawn the judge,
and I've been Alvin Bragg the DA And I got
to tell you, the book Crimes against America speaks to
the attack on our institutions, everything from education to government,
to the Department of Justice, to the Constitution, free speech,
the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, and all that. But
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this case in particular is a study in how the
left progressives can make a decision that they are going
to take a president, former president, and future president as
far as I'm concerned, and try to destroy him in
a kangaroo court. And it is offensive to me. You know.
People can report on this stuff, but I lived this
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for thirty two years, Sean. And when a witness comes in,
Robert Costello, who is about as credible as I've ever seen,
and tries to at least put truth to the lie
of Michael Cohen about an essential element of the case,
and that is whether or not Donald Trump did anything
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wrong at a time when Michael Cohen had anything everything
to lose. The truth is that there was nothing, and
the judge would not allow it. Every time Costello spoke
before he was even finished, the prosecution would object to
the defense witness and it would be sustained by the judge.
So today, when Robert Costello is cross examined by the prosecution,
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this defense witness for a President Trump, what happens is
any objection is overruled. I mean, the contrast is stunning.
On the one hand, you've got it started from the
get go. You got that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
How do you interpret that? What do you think happened?
Speaker 9 (08:42):
He's tipping the scales of justice. He doesn't want this
jury to reconcile with the fact that possibly Donald Trump
did nothing wrong. And how dare witness be brought in
to say that the lynch pin of the case, Michael Cohen,
actually has told people at his most vulnerable period in
his life that Michael Cohen did nothing wrong. But it's
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the same thing that the judge did with Michael Cohen
and Donald Trump. Donald Trump, your gag, Michael Cohen, You're
not shorm me Daniels. You could talk about whatever you want,
but Robert Castello cannot.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You talk about salacious material and talk to dead people
that's relevant. Even though it's not relevant, it's immateial and
absolutely should have been stopped in its tracks, and it
wasn't and.
Speaker 9 (09:27):
Again, and then you're going to allow Michael Cohen and
David Pecker to talk about campaign finance violations and you're
not going to allow Brad Smith, who can testify about
what a real campaign violation is. I mean, everything that
this judge has done, he's had the scales weighted against
the defendant. And it's offensive to me because this is
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our system of justice. We rail all the time about
how we're the best and we're the greatest. This is,
this is this is terrible, Sean, It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
He's trying to salvage the case that has been a
disaster for brag That's what he's trying to do. The
Biden donor judge who has as family conflicts as well,
should have recused himself as a matter of law, and
he's now throwing a lifelin or attempting to throw a
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lifeline to the DA and the prosecution in this case
to hopefully get the conviction that everybody wanted and thought
they were going to get coming into this, but it
fell apart. Everything deteriorated right before their eyes. And at
this last minute, Hail Mary, and you saw this with
the anger from the judge yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I was he angry.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
At Bob Costello is the consummate pro I mean with
incredible experience, and he's sitting there in a state of
shock and he rolls his eyes and he's.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Like, really, are you staring me down?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, you know, threatening to hold this guy in contempt,
screaming clear the courtroom, the courtroom.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
The judge should have been held in Contemptuan. This judge
doesn't know what he's doing. This judge is tipping the scales.
And this judge has another chance, Seawan, it's not over yet.
He's going to charge that jury to essentially convict. First
of all, there's got to be an adverse witness charge.
The fact that the prosecution did not call Weiselberg, who
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was in their control in Rikers Island on a material issue.
It should be held against the prosecution. The judge is
entitled or should be telling that jury the fact that
they didn't call him means that he would have testified
against them. They should also get an adverse witness charge
for not calling Keith Schiller. If Keith Schiller was part
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of the essential case where Cohen called him and said, hey,
I took care of it. But Keith Schiller says, no,
this is all about a fourteen year old on an
October twenty four to twenty sixteen phone call. Then Keith
Schiller should have been called by the prosecution. There's all
kinds of disasters that this judge can continue to impose
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to make this jury find it offended.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right quick break more with Judge Janinepiro, also of the
hit show of the five or new book out Crimes
against America really ripped out of today's headlines anyway. It's
on Hannity dot com, Amazon dot com, bookstores around the country.
As we continue write more with my friend and colleague,
Judge Janine Piro. Her new book is how Crimes against
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America and very relevant to what's going on in that
courtroom in New York and around the country and around
the world. Her new book is on Amazon dot com,
Hannity dot com, and bookstores around the country. There's no
way the judge is going to dismiss this case. There's
no way we're going to get a directive verdict. There's
no way that jury instructions are going to be fair,
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and he's going to try to tip the scales in
the favor of the DA and the pro prosecution. And
at the end of the day, that makes me very nervous,
and it only reinforces what I had said from day one.
Donald Trump can't get a fair trial in New York
or DC or Fulton County, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Case closed. It happened within Goren.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
In the civil case, the guy still maintains mar A
Lago's eighteen million dollars. I'll buy it tomorrow. I'll pay double,
and I'll make a will be very, very wealthy. I'll
become a billionaire, judge. But they were allowed to get
away with it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
There.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
Listen, this is a judge.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'll even let you have two percent if you're willing
to put in some money.
Speaker 9 (13:38):
I good. But look, this judge is not on a
level this judge is he What he does is he
stays that robe for every judge in this country who
tries so hard to balance the rights of the defendant
along with the interests of the people. He is unable
to let the defense conduct a defense. And the truth
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is that in the end he's on the line as
much as Alvin Bragg is here. He knows he's got
to get a conviction to save himself, and he will
do it. In the charge to the jury, I'm telling
you he will.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
The question, okay, but will he be successful? Last question? Question?
Speaker 9 (14:15):
That's the question. And I'm hoping and praying that there
is someone who's going to say, you know what, nobody
said that Donald Trump told anyone how to write the
check or that he got involved in.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Just the opposite.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Michael con admitted that he did it on his own
and told all these people. He admitted, he told everybody
he did it on his own. That's called reasonable doubt.
Judge where I grew up.
Speaker 9 (14:38):
Yeah, it's reasonable doubt. But you know what, the judge
wants no one to hear from Michael Cohen, Michael, excuse me,
Robert Costello, because that may give them reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It would impeach. It would impeach the argument of the prosecution.
It would be slammed, dunk case clothes directive, verdict everybody,
ladies and gentlemen of the jury, thank you for your service.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Goodbye.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I got a roll. But listen, congrats Crimes against America. Judge,
you named Pirohannity dot com, Amazon dot com bookstores around
the country. Judge, we appreciate it. And listen, you have
a great holiday. If I don't talk to you, God,
we'll talk bye Sean.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, that's true, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Is a pretty unbelievable times that we're living in. They
really are, you know, the idea that the Biden administration
and that the UN, the UN holds a moment of
silence for the butcher of Tehran, the formign president of
Tehran that died in his helicopter crash. US Deputy Ambassador
to the UN was seen standing during this, which is
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pretty repulsive Biden, of course, the administration, through the State Department,
they're sending condolences. Does anybody not understand this is the
president of the number one state sponsor of terrorism. This
is the guy that helped Plan October seventh with the
Kud's forces and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards forces. This is
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the guy that provides the weaponry to groups like Hamas
and has Bolah in the North at Elebanon and the
Huti Rebels at a Yemen. Yeah, they're the ones that
foment all the terror around the world. And we're sending
condolences to Iran, and we have international organizations and bodies,
you know, giving a moment of silence and all the
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ass kissing of all of these people is It's disgusting
New York Posts today. Rot in hell. You know, a
good thing. Iran's president's dead, you know, his blood splattered.
Colmanius known as the Butcher of Tehran for his role
as the chief executioner during a massive nineteen eighty eight purge.
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A key protege and current coppo of Ali Kamani and
most likely successor, he was committed to the art of
evil ideology and to violent repression so necessary to maintain
its grip on Iran, as in the twenty twenty two
nationwide crackdown against Iranian protesting at the religious police. Murderer
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of this woman but daring to remove her job. I mean,
this is the guy. We're sending condolences to this really?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Then of course you have the ICC, you know, putting
out an indictment against the Prime Minister of Israel.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
What part of Israel being a.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Victim of radical Islamic terror is the world not quite
understanding here? The twelve hundred dead Israelis on October the seventh,
they were victims that day, the hundreds that were taking
hostage and out of their country, including Americans. And we're
not supporting Israel's right to win their war against radical
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Islamic terrorism. You know, I was on Fox and Friends
talking about this today and I just kept saying, it's unbelievable.
We have a president of the United States that has
been doing nothing beyond the quid pro quo, the very
thing they impeached Donald Trump over and telling Israel you're
not getting weapons if you fight offensively and try to
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defeat the terrorists that attacked you on October the seventh,
when the message should be clear and unambiguous and the
moral clarity should be certain, which is you have a
right to win your war against radical Islamic terrorists.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Period.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
How would we feel after nine to eleven if the
world started lecturing us on how to fight back against
those people that killed twenty nine hundred and seventy seven
Americans and many more from nine to eleven related illnesses
was supposed to be lectured, Oh, George W. Bush, which
was supposed to be indicted by the ICC, and while
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Joe Biden quote condemns it on paper, Well, he sat
through a speech at Morehouse College while of a student,
you know, and that was demming Israel and quote occupation
in demanding a ceasefire now, and he started clapping. I
never thought we'd have a day with the president of
our country is literally literally surrendering in the war on
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terror and thus emboldening radical Islamic terrorists and terror states
around the world, and simultaneously sending a message to the
free world that America is abdicating its role as the
leading country for the cause of liberty and freedom and democracy.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
These are sad times that we are living in. It's
really unbelievable. But Joe Biden, by the way, announced that
one of the hostages still held by Hamas was actually
a White House guest. This is how cognitively deficient your
president is.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Listen, mynusration working around the clock to free their main hostages,
just as we have freed hostag and here of this
today is hersh Golbert Poland and is still he is
not here with this, but he's still being held by
a moss and Rachel and John are here with his
stand up guy.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
By the way, Prime Minister Netan Yahoo was on Good
Morning America and on Fox and Friends this morning, and
here's what he had to say about this ICC prosecutor
pouring gasoline on the fires of anti Semitism, and he's
one hundred percent right.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Listen, Yeah, and he's making a totally false accusation here
and everywhere else. We are supplying now nearly half of
the water of Gaza. We supplied only seven percent before
the war. So this is completely opposite of what he's saying.
He's saying that we're starving people. You know, we have
supplied half a million tons of food and medicine with
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twenty thousand trucks. This guy is out to demonize Israel.
He's doing a hit job. He's creating a false symmetry
between the democratically elected leaders of Israel and the terror chieftains.
That's like saying in After ninety eleven, well I'm issuing
the rest warrants for George Bush, but also for bidd
Laden or after in World War two, Well I'm issuing
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rest warrants for FDR, but also for Hitler. It's a
hit job, it's not serious. He's out to defame a
Israel and he's also pouring gasoline on the fires of
anti Semitism that are spreading around the world.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I totally completely agree. And what we've been watching at
our most prestigious universities around the country, calls for Antifada,
death to Israel, death to America, outright support for hamas
taking over school buildings, encampments all over these college campuses,
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which is unfathomable to me, and we've heard very little
from faculty. We've seen a lot of support for the
for the you know, anti Israel protests that have been
going on, but not in the case of one one
person that is at the University of Michigan. And anyway,
this happened a few days ago. The encampment at the
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University of Michigan finally was removed by police. If you remember,
they had their graduation a couple of weeks ago and
added the Big House, which you know was well known
form massive crowds and anyway, then of course that got
disrupted by anti Israel protesters. But anyway, I will tell
you the story the these pro Palestinian protesters you know
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place you know, fake bloody corpses at the home of
a University of Michigan official and anyway, a large group
of protesters that make their way onto this university officials
home property wearing masks and coverings. Then they tape a
list of demands to adore immediately. They pitched tents and
place bloody corpses, corpses in red stained sheets on her
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lawn and chanting, you know, Regent Hubbard, you can hide
your fueling genocide broke out now this home sixty miles
away from the Anna Arbor campus. The protests led by
the members of what's called the Rear Coalition, a student
led alliance of more than eighty organizations. I got to
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give a lot of credit. Finally in a high ranking
official at a university has decided to stand up to
them because she pointed out in a post on x
that protesters want me to cut all ties with Israel's
higher ed institutions, let politics drive investment of our endowment funds,
give unaccountable community activist control over the university's budget, and
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defund the campus police.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I say no, no, no, and hell no. Anyway, Sarah
Hubbard is with us. How are you.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
I'm doing great, Thanks Sean, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well your a rarity.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I mean, that's not exactly been happening at college campuses
around the country very often.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Good for you.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Now, we've had enough at the University of Michigan. We've
moved out the encampment. You know, they started bringing in
ply and chicken wire to reinforce their they're set up
on our campus. They visited my home last week and
you know, upset my neighbors, upset the children in my neighborhood.
At thirty protesters marching in a circle around my driveway
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out onto the road, banging a drum, using bullhorns as
you mentioned, setting up tents in my lawn, really creating
huge rockets. And then when.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
They where the hell are the voice?
Speaker 10 (24:25):
Well, the police did come and then they said, okay,
leave or get arrested, and then they left. They left immediately,
So the police did come, but you know, they just
they came in it just before six o'clock in the morning.
Some of my colleagues they came in earlier than that.
And they're lucky, you know, coming to the door of
somebody's home in the middle of the night, basically in
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some cases when it was still dark out. It's really
not a good idea. They could have met a very
different result if I hadn't recognized that those are the
very same tents that were set up on campus and
then moved to my front yard. So I you know,
let's them do their thing for a bit, and then
they left. We cleaned up, we threw all that stuff out.
But you know, they really crossed the line there. It's
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really too much. And then you know, fortifying their encampment
and acting like they were gonna, you know, camp out
on our campus for the rest of the summer was
too much. The University of Michigan is not a campground.
We are not equipped for this. We are not going
to continue with this kind of thing. And as you mentioned,
they upset our commencement, they interfered with that. I was
at our honors convocation, the only regent at our honors
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convocation where they interfered with that. We had to end
it early because they were overwhelming the crowd. This is
just this is just too much. Our governor even said today,
you know, she doesn't think these people should be going
to people's homes. I mean, that's a place where we agree.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Ud.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What about of confidence, because her silence for the most
part has been pretty deafening during most of this.
Speaker 10 (25:54):
Yeah, well, I think now that we're taking action on this,
this is this is going to provide a lot of
people more opportunity to speak out and really join us
in pushing back on these protesters.
Speaker 9 (26:05):
You know, let me let me.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Ask you this, This is an important question.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Do you have the full support of the administration at
your school.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
We do, we do, And it took the administration to
move forward and do this today, move the encampment out.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
We have been well, well, why did they wait so long?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Why did they allow a single day to go by
without saying no, it's against campus policy, you're not allowed
to Well, it's a great question.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
I think we're airing on the side of free speech
and saying okay, students. We have a rich history of
protests on our campus. We're known for that at the
University of Michigan. Students have a voice. They were talking
about things, you know, they were letting their voice be heard.
And you know, we did air on the side of
free speech, no question and allowing them to protest. But
they just went too far. They really did just go
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too far. But there are certainly lots of people on
our campus, lots of people in the faculty that support
the students, lots of people in some of our faculty
or well, you know, teaching unions, not full faculty, but
teaching unions that support this group that's protesting, and so
there certainly is a layer of those folks at the
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university that feel very strongly about their right to protest.
But when you're showing up at my house and you're
doing things like this that are silencing others on campus
and that create fear for Jewish students on our campus
in particular, that's too much. We had to deal with it.
We let it go a little longer than some, but
we've dealt with it, and now we're moving on.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
All right, quick break more with Sarah Hubbard Is, the
chair of the Border Regents University of Michigan literally was
the target of intimidations that thread our own home by
the way, an hour out of campus. We'll continue with her,
and we'll get to your calls and Matt Gates on
the other side as we continue.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
Up next our final round up and information overlaw to hourright.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
We continue now with the chair of the Border Regents
University of Michigan. She herself was targeted by these radical
protesters and they tried to threaten and intimidate her.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And go to her home.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean, it's unbelievable what's going on around the country
and around the world. What are you going to do
now the next time, because I assume that we've not
heard the end of this. Is it going to be
dealt with immediately moving forward, or is this something they'll
allow to go on for a certain period of time
and then realize they got to act. And you know
the fact that you have such repulsive anti semitism on
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college campuses all around the country, what do you make
of that? Because to me, it's pretty scary, very reminiscent
of the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
To me, oh, it's really scary. And we hear from
Jewish stakeholders all the time. We are bracing for whatever
the next time is. We want to be sure that
they can't just come back and set up this encampment
somewhere out on campus, and we're keeping an eye out
for that. We're making sure that our partners and stakeholders
around campus that might also be at risk are aware
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of what's going on and hopefully they feel safe as well.
And we're concerned about what this group is going to
try to do when we come back to school in
the fall, and so we're certainly making plans to be
sure that this kind of thing can't happen again, we
are holding accountable a number of these students that have
been active in these protests. The washnaw County prosecutor filed
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charges against four students earlier this week, last week, and
then we've all also started a process against a number
of others that have been disruptive on campus.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And we're let me ask you last question.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You ever think the United States of America ever would
surrender in the war on terror? Do you agree with
my characterization?
Speaker 11 (30:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (30:16):
I never, I mean, and I hope we're not surrendering
to the war on tire.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, Joe Biden did, I didn't understood.
Speaker 10 (30:24):
Well, we are. We are moving forward at the university.
We've had enough and you know.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
We just well good for you, don't.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I don't want to drag into a political fight that's
going to get in trouble because I admire your courage.
I know you're the chair of the Border Regions and
I don't want to see how any ramifications from even
coming on this show. But believe me, I have a
pretty loud voice, and if there are, give me a
call because I would love to take them on.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Okay, thank you, yeah, thank you, appreciate your help.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I admire your courage, Sarah Hubbard, thank you. Eight hundred
nine four one Shawn is our number if you want
to be a part of the program.
An hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and ninety
four one, Shawn our number if you want to be
a part of the program. But we've gone over what
was a just complete, utter, unmitigated shock in the trial,
the sham trial of Donald Trump yesterday. The biggest problem
that the defense faces at this point is not that
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they've proven a thing. They've proven nothing, absolutely nothing. They've
not even identified the law. But to watch Judge Murshawn
go at what is a legal expert, Bradley Smith who
understands the heart of the law that is supposedly that
the novel legal theory that the prosecution is putting on
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in this case and limit the ability of Judge Mershawn
to inform the jury that this is not a crime
is pretty unbelievable. Bradley Smith was on my TV show
specifically talking about this very issue. Former FEC chair, there's
no violation at all in the NBA agreement that although
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Trump is involved in that Michael Clone told everybody and
their mother based on his own testimony yesterday and the
testimony of Bob Costello before Congress, I mean not that
they let him talk either. Here's Bradley Smith, former FBC
chair on my TV show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
The claim made by the DA is the federal law
says something is a campaign contribution if it's made with
the for the purpose of influencing a campaign.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And that's the argument.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, they were trying to do this because they thought
if they could pay hush money to Stormy Daniels, that
would help Trump's campaign.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So that's the theory.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Most of us would not think that it is a
campaign expenditure to try to settle potential legal claims against
you or other claims against you for events that occurred
ten years before you talked about running for office, you know,
to pay allegedly to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels
or anybody else. And the odd theory of of the
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DA Bragg is that not only could those expenses be
paid with campaign funds, they would have to be paid
with campaign funds. I think again, it's a common senseman,
that's clearly wrong. But also when you look at the
statute and you realize that's an objective standard, it's clearly
not correct to say that these were funds that count
as a campaign expenditure.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Pretty just unbelievable. Of course, the judges does not want
the jury to hear any of this, and they fall.
The prosecutions fighting and the judge is granting every motion.
That's what resulted in Bob Costello, whose credentials are impeccable,
to roll his eyes and be like, you're kidding me,
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because he understands the law, and he understands an abusively
biased judge, as we all know, the Biden donor judge
with a parent family conflicts, who should have recused himself
from the get go, you know, even the mob the media,
by the way. And then we have the issue of
Michael Cohene. What do we have August twenty eighteen, pleads
guilty campaign finance violation, bank fraud, five counts of tax evasion.
(03:03):
In twenty eighteen, also pleading guilty to lying to the
US Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Intelligence Committee about the
Trump Moscow Tower Moscow deal that never existed, you know,
and of course then admitting that he's a thief on
top of everything else, stealing sixty thousand dollars from the
Trump organization. Even the mob in the media didn't exactly
(03:25):
think that him stealing from President Trump went over particularly
well for the prosecution.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I'm still kind of reeling from the revelation that
Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization, and that wasn't,
at least to my knowledge, that the prosecution didn't get
that out earlier.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
The prosecution is painted Michael Cohen as sort of this bumbling,
pathetic character whose only sins were his misguided, undying loyalty
to Donald Trump. But now you see something a little different.
Now there's an argument to me that actually, you're just
an opportunistic thief.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
The fact that he was never charged with larcening is
important because stealing sixty thousand dollars through fraud, which would
be larceny in New York State, is more serious of
a crime than falsifying business.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
They knew about this, they minimized it. The prosecutor misled
this jury.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
That's what I would are.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Are you allowed to say that, yes, sir?
Speaker 8 (04:22):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, Well, the prosecutor, we learned also from Bob Costello,
was specifically told about exculpatory evidence before he brought this
case before the grand jury and purposely withheld that exculpatory evidence, which,
by the way, he is required to present to them
(04:43):
as a matter of law. You don't believe me, then
you've got to believe my next guest, which is Judge
Janim Piro. By the way, her new book, I mean
it is literally ripped out of today's headlines, Crimes against America.
It's on Hannity dot com, Amazon dot com, bookstores around
the country tree Uh, and you know, best selling author
that she is. But it goes to the heart of
(05:05):
all of this. It's a must read if you want
to preserve you know, law and order and our great
constitutional republic, which I would argue is now currently in jeopardy. Uh, Judge,
I was gonna call you and because we're good friends,
make a little bit of fun of you. Yesterday I
was watching the hit show The Five that you're a
part of, and okay, okay, hold on. It was it
(05:27):
was what was it, Barbie Day? It was like all
pink day?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, crack me. You even had pink shoes on.
Speaker 9 (05:32):
You know, yes when when you said yester and then
I thought, yeah, that's what I writ pink shoes, pink clothes.
Can I tell you after this year, I'm never wearing
pink again. Why short, Sean? And I tell you everything
is pink for women. I'm so over this Barbie thing
and it's not an ode to Barbie. I could care
less what it is. Although you know, the thing behind
(05:54):
the Barbie doll is that Barbie was supposed to be
a professional woman at a time when all dollars are
to be mothers. And you know, it doesn't matter to
me one way or another.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I was both.
Speaker 9 (06:03):
I mean, come on, kids, and I had a career
and I ran her office and all that other stuff.
But I'm so over pink right now.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well I don't. I just all I could think about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Unfortunately, Barbie Rune pink for everybody else in the movie,
which I cannot as a guy. You know, hang on
to my man card if I go to a Barbie
movie or call it up and rent it and watch it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I couldn't imagine that day.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But you know, I love you, and you're the best,
and you are impeccably dressed all the time and just
a class act all the way around. It's you know,
I said that your book Crimes against America ripped right
out of the headlines. I'm not wrong, it is. I
know you've been on both sides of this, both as
a judge and prosecutor. I've been listening to your commentary
(06:54):
you've been dead on accurate.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
Well, the truth is that I've been one Mershawn the judge,
and I've been Alvin Bragg the DA And I got
to tell you, the book Crimes against America speaks to
the attack on our institutions, everything from education to government,
to the Department of Justice, to the Constitution, free speech,
the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, and all that. But
(07:19):
this case in particular is a study in how the
left progressives can make a decision that they are going
to take a president, former president, and future president as
far as I'm concerned, and try to destroy him in
a kangaroo court. And it is offensive to me. You know.
People can report on this stuff, but I lived this
(07:40):
for thirty two years, Sean. And when a witness comes in,
Robert Costello, who is about as credible as I've ever seen,
and tries to at least put truth to the lie
of Michael Cohen about an essential element of the case,
and that is whether or not Donald Trump did anything
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wrong at a time when Michael Cohen had anything everything
to lose. The truth is that there was nothing, and
the judge would not allow it. Every time Costello spoke
before he was even finished, the prosecution would object to
the defense witness and it would be sustained by the judge.
So today, when Robert Costello is cross examined by the prosecution,
(08:25):
this defense witness for a President Trump, what happens is
any objection is overruled. I mean, the contrast is stunning.
On the one hand, you've got it started from the
get go. You got that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
How do you interpret that? What do you think happened?
Speaker 9 (08:42):
He's tipping the scales of justice. He doesn't want this
jury to reconcile with the fact that possibly Donald Trump
did nothing wrong. And how dare witness be brought in
to say that the lynch pin of the case, Michael Cohen,
actually has told people at his most vulnerable period in
his life that Michael Cohen did nothing wrong. But it's
(09:05):
the same thing that the judge did with Michael Cohen
and Donald Trump. Donald Trump, your gag, Michael Cohen, You're
not shorm me Daniels. You could talk about whatever you want,
but Robert Castello cannot.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You talk about salacious material and talk to dead people
that's relevant. Even though it's not relevant, it's immateial and
absolutely should have been stopped in its tracks, and it
wasn't and.
Speaker 9 (09:27):
Again, and then you're going to allow Michael Cohen and
David Pecker to talk about campaign finance violations and you're
not going to allow Brad Smith, who can testify about
what a real campaign violation is. I mean, everything that
this judge has done, he's had the scales weighted against
the defendant. And it's offensive to me because this is
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our system of justice. We rail all the time about
how we're the best and we're the greatest. This is,
this is this is terrible, Sean, It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
He's trying to salvage the case that has been a
disaster for brag That's what he's trying to do. The
Biden donor judge who has as family conflicts as well,
should have recused himself as a matter of law, and
he's now throwing a lifelin or attempting to throw a
(10:20):
lifeline to the DA and the prosecution in this case
to hopefully get the conviction that everybody wanted and thought
they were going to get coming into this, but it
fell apart. Everything deteriorated right before their eyes. And at
this last minute, Hail Mary, and you saw this with
the anger from the judge yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I was he angry.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
At Bob Costello is the consummate pro I mean with
incredible experience, and he's sitting there in a state of
shock and he rolls his eyes and he's.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Like, really, are you staring me down?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, you know, threatening to hold this guy in contempt,
screaming clear the courtroom, the courtroom.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
The judge should have been held in Contemptuan. This judge
doesn't know what he's doing. This judge is tipping the scales.
And this judge has another chance, Seawan, it's not over yet.
He's going to charge that jury to essentially convict. First
of all, there's got to be an adverse witness charge.
The fact that the prosecution did not call Weiselberg, who
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was in their control in Rikers Island on a material issue.
It should be held against the prosecution. The judge is
entitled or should be telling that jury the fact that
they didn't call him means that he would have testified
against them. They should also get an adverse witness charge
for not calling Keith Schiller. If Keith Schiller was part
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of the essential case where Cohen called him and said, hey,
I took care of it. But Keith Schiller says, no,
this is all about a fourteen year old on an
October twenty four to twenty sixteen phone call. Then Keith
Schiller should have been called by the prosecution. There's all
kinds of disasters that this judge can continue to impose
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to make this jury find it offended.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right quick break more with Judge Janinepiro, also of the
hit show of the five or new book out Crimes
against America really ripped out of today's headlines anyway. It's
on Hannity dot com, Amazon dot com, bookstores around the country.
As we continue write more with my friend and colleague,
Judge Janine Piro. Her new book is how Crimes against
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America and very relevant to what's going on in that
courtroom in New York and around the country and around
the world. Her new book is on Amazon dot com,
Hannity dot com, and bookstores around the country. There's no
way the judge is going to dismiss this case. There's
no way we're going to get a directive verdict. There's
no way that jury instructions are going to be fair,
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and he's going to try to tip the scales in
the favor of the DA and the pro prosecution. And
at the end of the day, that makes me very nervous,
and it only reinforces what I had said from day one.
Donald Trump can't get a fair trial in New York
or DC or Fulton County, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Case closed. It happened within Goren.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
In the civil case, the guy still maintains mar A
Lago's eighteen million dollars. I'll buy it tomorrow. I'll pay double,
and I'll make a will be very, very wealthy. I'll
become a billionaire, judge. But they were allowed to get
away with it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
There.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
Listen, this is a judge.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'll even let you have two percent if you're willing
to put in some money.
Speaker 9 (13:38):
I good. But look, this judge is not on a
level this judge is he What he does is he
stays that robe for every judge in this country who
tries so hard to balance the rights of the defendant
along with the interests of the people. He is unable
to let the defense conduct a defense. And the truth
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is that in the end he's on the line as
much as Alvin Bragg is here. He knows he's got
to get a conviction to save himself, and he will
do it. In the charge to the jury, I'm telling
you he will.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
The question, okay, but will he be successful? Last question? Question?
Speaker 9 (14:15):
That's the question. And I'm hoping and praying that there
is someone who's going to say, you know what, nobody
said that Donald Trump told anyone how to write the
check or that he got involved in.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Just the opposite.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Michael con admitted that he did it on his own
and told all these people. He admitted, he told everybody
he did it on his own. That's called reasonable doubt.
Judge where I grew up.
Speaker 9 (14:38):
Yeah, it's reasonable doubt. But you know what, the judge
wants no one to hear from Michael Cohen, Michael, excuse me,
Robert Costello, because that may give them reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It would impeach. It would impeach the argument of the prosecution.
It would be slammed, dunk case clothes directive, verdict everybody,
ladies and gentlemen of the jury, thank you for your service.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Goodbye.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I got a roll. But listen, congrats Crimes against America. Judge,
you named Pirohannity dot com, Amazon dot com bookstores around
the country. Judge, we appreciate it. And listen, you have
a great holiday. If I don't talk to you, God,
we'll talk bye Sean.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, that's true, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Is a pretty unbelievable times that we're living in. They
really are, you know, the idea that the Biden administration
and that the UN, the UN holds a moment of
silence for the butcher of Tehran, the formign president of
Tehran that died in his helicopter crash. US Deputy Ambassador
to the UN was seen standing during this, which is
(15:44):
pretty repulsive Biden, of course, the administration, through the State Department,
they're sending condolences. Does anybody not understand this is the
president of the number one state sponsor of terrorism. This
is the guy that helped Plan October seventh with the
Kud's forces and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards forces. This is
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the guy that provides the weaponry to groups like Hamas
and has Bolah in the North at Elebanon and the
Huti Rebels at a Yemen. Yeah, they're the ones that
foment all the terror around the world. And we're sending
condolences to Iran, and we have international organizations and bodies,
you know, giving a moment of silence and all the
(16:30):
ass kissing of all of these people is It's disgusting
New York Posts today. Rot in hell. You know, a
good thing. Iran's president's dead, you know, his blood splattered.
Colmanius known as the Butcher of Tehran for his role
as the chief executioner during a massive nineteen eighty eight purge.
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A key protege and current coppo of Ali Kamani and
most likely successor, he was committed to the art of
evil ideology and to violent repression so necessary to maintain
its grip on Iran, as in the twenty twenty two
nationwide crackdown against Iranian protesting at the religious police. Murderer
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of this woman but daring to remove her job. I mean,
this is the guy. We're sending condolences to this really?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Then of course you have the ICC, you know, putting
out an indictment against the Prime Minister of Israel.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
What part of Israel being a.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Victim of radical Islamic terror is the world not quite
understanding here? The twelve hundred dead Israelis on October the seventh,
they were victims that day, the hundreds that were taking
hostage and out of their country, including Americans. And we're
not supporting Israel's right to win their war against radical
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Islamic terrorism. You know, I was on Fox and Friends
talking about this today and I just kept saying, it's unbelievable.
We have a president of the United States that has
been doing nothing beyond the quid pro quo, the very
thing they impeached Donald Trump over and telling Israel you're
not getting weapons if you fight offensively and try to
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defeat the terrorists that attacked you on October the seventh,
when the message should be clear and unambiguous and the
moral clarity should be certain, which is you have a
right to win your war against radical Islamic terrorists.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Period.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
How would we feel after nine to eleven if the
world started lecturing us on how to fight back against
those people that killed twenty nine hundred and seventy seven
Americans and many more from nine to eleven related illnesses
was supposed to be lectured, Oh, George W. Bush, which
was supposed to be indicted by the ICC, and while
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Joe Biden quote condemns it on paper, Well, he sat
through a speech at Morehouse College while of a student,
you know, and that was demming Israel and quote occupation
in demanding a ceasefire now, and he started clapping. I
never thought we'd have a day with the president of
our country is literally literally surrendering in the war on
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terror and thus emboldening radical Islamic terrorists and terror states
around the world, and simultaneously sending a message to the
free world that America is abdicating its role as the
leading country for the cause of liberty and freedom and democracy.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
These are sad times that we are living in. It's
really unbelievable. But Joe Biden, by the way, announced that
one of the hostages still held by Hamas was actually
a White House guest. This is how cognitively deficient your
president is.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Listen, mynusration working around the clock to free their main hostages,
just as we have freed hostag and here of this
today is hersh Golbert Poland and is still he is
not here with this, but he's still being held by
a moss and Rachel and John are here with his
stand up guy.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
By the way, Prime Minister Netan Yahoo was on Good
Morning America and on Fox and Friends this morning, and
here's what he had to say about this ICC prosecutor
pouring gasoline on the fires of anti Semitism, and he's
one hundred percent right.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Listen, Yeah, and he's making a totally false accusation here
and everywhere else. We are supplying now nearly half of
the water of Gaza. We supplied only seven percent before
the war. So this is completely opposite of what he's saying.
He's saying that we're starving people. You know, we have
supplied half a million tons of food and medicine with
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twenty thousand trucks. This guy is out to demonize Israel.
He's doing a hit job. He's creating a false symmetry
between the democratically elected leaders of Israel and the terror chieftains.
That's like saying in After ninety eleven, well I'm issuing
the rest warrants for George Bush, but also for bidd
Laden or after in World War two, Well I'm issuing
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rest warrants for FDR, but also for Hitler. It's a
hit job, it's not serious. He's out to defame a
Israel and he's also pouring gasoline on the fires of
anti Semitism that are spreading around the world.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I totally completely agree. And what we've been watching at
our most prestigious universities around the country, calls for Antifada,
death to Israel, death to America, outright support for hamas
taking over school buildings, encampments all over these college campuses,
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which is unfathomable to me, and we've heard very little
from faculty. We've seen a lot of support for the
for the you know, anti Israel protests that have been
going on, but not in the case of one one
person that is at the University of Michigan. And anyway,
this happened a few days ago. The encampment at the
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University of Michigan finally was removed by police. If you remember,
they had their graduation a couple of weeks ago and
added the Big House, which you know was well known
form massive crowds and anyway, then of course that got
disrupted by anti Israel protesters. But anyway, I will tell
you the story the these pro Palestinian protesters you know
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place you know, fake bloody corpses at the home of
a University of Michigan official and anyway, a large group
of protesters that make their way onto this university officials
home property wearing masks and coverings. Then they tape a
list of demands to adore immediately. They pitched tents and
place bloody corpses, corpses in red stained sheets on her
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lawn and chanting, you know, Regent Hubbard, you can hide
your fueling genocide broke out now this home sixty miles
away from the Anna Arbor campus. The protests led by
the members of what's called the Rear Coalition, a student
led alliance of more than eighty organizations. I got to
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give a lot of credit. Finally in a high ranking
official at a university has decided to stand up to
them because she pointed out in a post on x
that protesters want me to cut all ties with Israel's
higher ed institutions, let politics drive investment of our endowment funds,
give unaccountable community activist control over the university's budget, and
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defund the campus police.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I say no, no, no, and hell no. Anyway, Sarah
Hubbard is with us. How are you.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
I'm doing great, Thanks Sean, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well your a rarity.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I mean, that's not exactly been happening at college campuses
around the country very often.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Good for you.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Now, we've had enough at the University of Michigan. We've
moved out the encampment. You know, they started bringing in
ply and chicken wire to reinforce their they're set up
on our campus. They visited my home last week and
you know, upset my neighbors, upset the children in my neighborhood.
At thirty protesters marching in a circle around my driveway
(24:14):
out onto the road, banging a drum, using bullhorns as
you mentioned, setting up tents in my lawn, really creating
huge rockets. And then when.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
They where the hell are the voice?
Speaker 10 (24:25):
Well, the police did come and then they said, okay,
leave or get arrested, and then they left. They left immediately,
So the police did come, but you know, they just
they came in it just before six o'clock in the morning.
Some of my colleagues they came in earlier than that.
And they're lucky, you know, coming to the door of
somebody's home in the middle of the night, basically in
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some cases when it was still dark out. It's really
not a good idea. They could have met a very
different result if I hadn't recognized that those are the
very same tents that were set up on campus and
then moved to my front yard. So I you know,
let's them do their thing for a bit, and then
they left. We cleaned up, we threw all that stuff out.
But you know, they really crossed the line there. It's
(25:07):
really too much. And then you know, fortifying their encampment
and acting like they were gonna, you know, camp out
on our campus for the rest of the summer was
too much. The University of Michigan is not a campground.
We are not equipped for this. We are not going
to continue with this kind of thing. And as you mentioned,
they upset our commencement, they interfered with that. I was
at our honors convocation, the only regent at our honors
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convocation where they interfered with that. We had to end
it early because they were overwhelming the crowd. This is
just this is just too much. Our governor even said today,
you know, she doesn't think these people should be going
to people's homes. I mean, that's a place where we agree.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Ud.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What about of confidence, because her silence for the most
part has been pretty deafening during most of this.
Speaker 10 (25:54):
Yeah, well, I think now that we're taking action on this,
this is this is going to provide a lot of
people more opportunity to speak out and really join us
in pushing back on these protesters.
Speaker 9 (26:05):
You know, let me let me.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Ask you this, This is an important question.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Do you have the full support of the administration at
your school.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
We do, we do, And it took the administration to
move forward and do this today, move the encampment out.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
We have been well, well, why did they wait so long?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Why did they allow a single day to go by
without saying no, it's against campus policy, you're not allowed
to Well, it's a great question.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
I think we're airing on the side of free speech
and saying okay, students. We have a rich history of
protests on our campus. We're known for that at the
University of Michigan. Students have a voice. They were talking
about things, you know, they were letting their voice be heard.
And you know, we did air on the side of
free speech, no question and allowing them to protest. But
they just went too far. They really did just go
(26:50):
too far. But there are certainly lots of people on
our campus, lots of people in the faculty that support
the students, lots of people in some of our faculty
or well, you know, teaching unions, not full faculty, but
teaching unions that support this group that's protesting, and so
there certainly is a layer of those folks at the
(27:10):
university that feel very strongly about their right to protest.
But when you're showing up at my house and you're
doing things like this that are silencing others on campus
and that create fear for Jewish students on our campus
in particular, that's too much. We had to deal with it.
We let it go a little longer than some, but
we've dealt with it, and now we're moving on.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
All right, quick break more with Sarah Hubbard Is, the
chair of the Border Regents University of Michigan literally was
the target of intimidations that thread our own home by
the way, an hour out of campus. We'll continue with her,
and we'll get to your calls and Matt Gates on
the other side as we continue.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
Up next our final round up and information overlaw to hourright.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
We continue now with the chair of the Border Regents
University of Michigan. She herself was targeted by these radical
protesters and they tried to threaten and intimidate her.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And go to her home.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean, it's unbelievable what's going on around the country
and around the world. What are you going to do
now the next time, because I assume that we've not
heard the end of this. Is it going to be
dealt with immediately moving forward, or is this something they'll
allow to go on for a certain period of time
and then realize they got to act. And you know
the fact that you have such repulsive anti semitism on
(29:03):
college campuses all around the country, what do you make
of that? Because to me, it's pretty scary, very reminiscent
of the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 10 (29:11):
To me, oh, it's really scary. And we hear from
Jewish stakeholders all the time. We are bracing for whatever
the next time is. We want to be sure that
they can't just come back and set up this encampment
somewhere out on campus, and we're keeping an eye out
for that. We're making sure that our partners and stakeholders
around campus that might also be at risk are aware
(29:33):
of what's going on and hopefully they feel safe as well.
And we're concerned about what this group is going to
try to do when we come back to school in
the fall, and so we're certainly making plans to be
sure that this kind of thing can't happen again, we
are holding accountable a number of these students that have
been active in these protests. The washnaw County prosecutor filed
(29:54):
charges against four students earlier this week, last week, and
then we've all also started a process against a number
of others that have been disruptive on campus.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And we're let me ask you last question.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You ever think the United States of America ever would
surrender in the war on terror? Do you agree with
my characterization?
Speaker 11 (30:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (30:16):
I never, I mean, and I hope we're not surrendering
to the war on tire.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, Joe Biden did, I didn't understood.
Speaker 10 (30:24):
Well, we are. We are moving forward at the university.
We've had enough and you know.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
We just well good for you, don't.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I don't want to drag into a political fight that's
going to get in trouble because I admire your courage.
I know you're the chair of the Border Regions and
I don't want to see how any ramifications from even
coming on this show. But believe me, I have a
pretty loud voice, and if there are, give me a
call because I would love to take them on.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Okay, thank you, yeah, thank you, appreciate your help.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I admire your courage, Sarah Hubbard, thank you. Eight hundred
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