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September 17, 2025 • 30 mins

In the wake of Charlie Kirk's shocking assassination, Sean Hannity leads a heartfelt discussion about Kirk's enduring influence on young Americans. Joined by Isabel Brown and Catalina Lauf, both prominent voices shaped by Kirk's mentorship, Sean frames Kirk's life as a testament to courageous truth-telling amid hostile campus environments. The guests reflect on Kirk's emphasis on faith, values, and empowering conservative students' underscoring his impact as founder of Turning Point USA. This moment matters as it inspires a new generation to speak out, uphold traditional values, and carry forward his mission of promoting open debate and American ideals across campuses.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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sean if you want to be a part of the program.
It's incredible the reaction. I've spoken to a lot of
young people and how they've been impacted at this political

(00:21):
assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I said this earlier in
the week and last week that you know, in all
the years I've been doing this, my kids only wanted
to meet two people of all the people that I've interviewed,
all the people that I know, although they do like
professional athletes, especially my son, but the two people politically
were President Trump and Charlie Kirk. And my son did

(00:44):
get to meet and spend time with Charlie and it
meant a lot to him. And I wanted to bring
on bring back to the program two young people that
have been on before, Isabelle Brown and Catalina Love. They'll
join us in a second. I saw that Isabelle actually
put out thinking back to last week, I am so

(01:05):
moved by the fact that much of his quiet, free
time in the green room with me, you know, he
was talking about heaven. As people of faith, we know
that death is you know something that I can't actually
read this because I can't see it all. But when
someone is pure and robbed of life so prematurely. But

(01:26):
I rejoice in prayer today that even though you know
we've lost Charlie, he's more alive than we are in
a fullness of our Savior and his anchor in heaven.
Which I thought was extremely eloquent and beautifully written. One
of the things that really stood out to me is
Charlie would go into these hostile environments on college campuses,

(01:46):
knowing that they're hostile environments, and he'd take on all comers.
He did it cheerfully, did it with a smile on
his face. He'd be called every name in the book.
You're a Nazi, you're a racist, you're a fascist. Okay,
give me one example. You're a Nazi, you're euracist, you're
a fascist. They could never give him an example, and
they look stupid. I mean, this is the type of thing. Honestly,

(02:08):
if these schools were not in doctrination centers, this should
be you know, vigorous debate happening inside classrooms. But it
doesn't happen didn't happen when I was going to school.
And it's sad because this is an opportunity for the
free and open exchange of ideas and principles and opinions,
and you know, people should be free to express themselves.

(02:32):
And Charlie would challenge, you know, the indoctrination of many
and have a profound impact on these young people. And secondarily,
you know, many young people that were conservative that felt
they had to be quiet on college campuses. It gave them,
you know, a sense of validation of what their true
views and opinions are. Anyway, we welcome back Isabelle Brown

(02:55):
and Catalina Lauf are back with us. Thank you both
for being here. Isabel Well, you knew Charlie Well. I
saw a picture of you and Charlie on the internet
at Turning Point.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You work with him, I did, Son.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I've worked with Charlie for about eight years now, and
like many of these students that are so inspired by
his courage and his ability to tell the truth under fire,
I was one of those college students who started a
Turning Point USA chapter on my campus at Colorado State
University in twenty seventeen, and I just have had so

(03:29):
many wonderful memories come back this last year of all
of the times, Charlie spoke life into me and so
many other young conservatives who have a national platform now
by giving us an opportunity, an opportunity to join him
in this fight to tell the truth. And as mentioned
in reading my Instagram caption there a few moments ago,
I was so privileged to be able to share the

(03:50):
stage with Charlie at a pro life speaking event about
two weeks ago today, actually on the Dots, one of
his last speeches here on this earth, and I've mentioned
there what he wanted to talk about more than anything
else backstage as we spent some time catching up and
hanging out like old times, was God and his faith,
and we spent quite a bit of time talking about Heaven,

(04:10):
which translated into his speech for the crowd there as well.
He was so peacefully rooted in his calling from God
and his vocation from the Holy Spirit to show up
and tell the truth. And I know he carried that
same vocation with him through that event at Utah Valley
University as well.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
You know, I spent a lot more time this weekend
looking at videos at Charlie, And because I'm so wrapped
up and doing four hours of broadcasting every day, it's
almost completely all consuming. And so many things that he
said and was saying to young people was so impressive.
You know, Catalina, you know, God forbid, you have somebody

(04:48):
on a college campus mentioned God, or encouraging young people
to go to church, or encouraging people not to be
part of hookup culture, or encouraging people not to be
the stupid kid throwing up in the bushes or doing
drugs and finding the spiritual side of your life. And

(05:08):
even when you would go out, or if you're a guy,
you would take a girl out, you would respect her,
you would pay for your date, you'd open the door.
And he described his own experience with Erica is you
know he called it an interview process, wanting to find
you know, the purpose of dating, to find a potential mate.
And I found that very encouraging and telling people, you

(05:31):
know what, don't be part of hookup culture. You know,
this is something blessed and sacred, and you don't hear
that often on college campuses. Probably the only time some
of these kids heard it was from him.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, thanks for having us on Sean. You know, he
was a big brother. So many young men in particularly
need it. And I know that firsthand because when I
first heard about Charlie, it was back in twenty thirteen
when I was graduating college and he was from my
home state, Illinois, and my two younger neighbor boys who

(06:03):
you know, I'd watched grown up, I had watched grown up,
I'd babysat them. They were still in middle school in
high school at the time, thinking about college. And I'm
sure this goes for a lot of us then that
when young people you care about are about to go
to college, there's always that fear that when they go
off to college, they can be poisoned and indoctrinated. And
we obviously didn't want that happening to these young boys

(06:25):
in our neighborhood. And one afternoon I was home and
from college and they were raving about this young guy
from our state named Charlie Kirk and about all of
the conservative values that he was talking about social issues,
but he was so relatable to them, and I knew
in that moment, I was like, you know, what, these

(06:45):
kids are going to be okay. And then fast forward,
you know, eight years later to see Turning Point USA
become what it was because of Charlie's leadership. I was
running for Congress at the time, and I got to
meet Charlie and many of the same mentors and investors
and donors who had once believed in Charlie and Turning

(07:08):
Point USA. We're now getting involved in politics and specifically
supporting young candidates because of Charlie's advice to support young
people in the political space. And that just shows, you know,
Charlie's impact was generational and it will continue, and it's
just absolutely devastating for all of us in this all around.

(07:30):
You know, I get messages from people who said, I've
never spoken out, I've never had the courage to, but
because of what happened, I feel the need to now.
And so it's up to our generation to carry that
towards forward and to live Charlie's legacy and not only
a positive light and bring the good that he did,
but also bolder, louder, and stronger to fight against this

(07:52):
evil that's infecting our country, especially young minds.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know, Isabella, as I was watching a lot of
these videos this weekend, and I sent many of them
to my kids and my son's twenty six. My daughter
just turned twenty four. She was born thirteen days before
nine to eleven. And this generation never experienced nine to eleven.
Kids that are in college today and they have no

(08:16):
memory of it because they weren't alive. And this is
a watershed moment, I believe for them. But just the
idea that he would tell young women to know your
worth and to put a high price and value on that,
and telling young men to be respectful, I just think

(08:37):
that those values are timeless.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
They absolutely are. You really hit the nail on the
head there, Sean, that this is a generationally defining moment.
You know, I was born in nineteen ninety seven. I'm
what most people agree is the first year of Generation
Z and I have the very very faintest singular memory
of what nine to eleven was like. I just remember
my parents staring at the TV also, But we don't

(09:01):
have an intimate experience as a generation to understand this
concept of all being under attack, our way of life
being under attack, and what that will do to your society.
On the other side, that you have a choice to
come together in true unity, based in truth, and based
in this idea that we are one nation. Under God,
or you can let evil continue to fester and continue

(09:23):
to become more and more impactful tomorrow and every day
after that. But what I think is so impactful about
Charlie's death, in particular to an entire generation of people
that he spoke to, even those who vehemently disagreed with him,
is you're right. He was so honed in on this
concept of virtue in a generation that so many people

(09:43):
had already preemptively written off as too far gone. I've
been somewhat of the Gen Z apologists for the last
few years, and Charlie has always championed my voice in
that regard and has written forwards for my two books
and given me tons of opportunities to share good news
about Generation Z on his show and with his organization,
Turning Point USA for the last few years. But we've

(10:05):
been seeing this return to culturally conservative values, with young
people wanting to get married, wanting to go to church,
wanting to speak their minds, wanting to challenge their own
preconceived notions and get off of these indoctrinating college campuses
start their own businesses. Revived this concept of the American dreams,
and Charlie saw an opportunity with young people that most

(10:28):
of those older than him didn't. I can't tell you
how many times I've heard on national TV programming or
radio and programs similar to this one that young people
are all, you know, purple haired, non binary, insane people
that have lost their minds. But Charlie saw something different.
He saw a broken generation simply needed someone to speak

(10:48):
life into them and encourage them to embrace virtue in
a broken world, with young men returning to chivalry, with
young women returning to godliness, and elevating ourselves as dignified
in a society trying to commodify us, and with young
people everywhere finding our innate dignity as made in the
image of God. And of course, it's frustrating to see

(11:09):
the vile, vitriolic responses from some of the more radical
voices on the left celebrating this death or saying that
this is normal somehow it's not. But I'm blown away
by the number of young people, even those who vehemently
disagree with Charlie during his time here on earth, who
have used the past six days or so to look
in the mirror and to say ost this young man's

(11:31):
legacy is so much bigger than electing a president of
the United States or reviving the Republican Party. This is
about a return to beauty and what's good and true
in society. And I want to be a part of
that legacy too.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I do believe that Turning Point now will be so
much bigger than ever. I had Charlie's pastors on this
radio program yesterday, Catalina, and they were amazing people, and
they believe as I do, that Turning Point is just
getting started. And when Charlie came up with this idea,

(12:07):
I don't think people gave him a lot of thought
that there was a huge chance of success. But it
was through sheer force of will and dedication that he
got people on board to support him and his efforts.
And then he did all the hard work, and he
traveled to all these hostile environments and he didn't stop.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Got you know, Charlie who you know I did not
know so personal Isabelle and others, but I know he
was exceptionally well read in history, and he knew that
the fight was in the schools and in the culture wars,
and that's exactly why he created Turning Point USA. And
I wanted to bring up history that really highlights that threat.
You know, in a nineteen sixty FBI report, Jaegger Hoover

(12:52):
once said, during the past two years, quote, Communist spokesmen
have appeared on nearly one hundred campuses from coast to coast.
Their purpose to create confusion, raise questions, and spread doubt
among our young people concerning American way of life. Quote.
He goes on to say that, quote today the Communists
are engaged in an intensive campaign to control the minds

(13:15):
and win the allegiance of American youth. Unquote. Charlie was
the counter to that. He was going to hundreds of
schools coast to coast and preaching Americanism, God, good cultural values.
And he was so effective in that. And think about it,
you know, he was born in nineteen ninety three, and

(13:36):
that was a report from nineteen sixty. This was decades
in the making, and Charlie came in and was a
pioneer in a lot of ways, Titan for Liberty to
go and basically unravel all of that into Isabelle's point
and to your point, Sean, preaching good and doing what
was right and creating this healthy, friendly debate, This platform

(13:59):
for us, and that's why he was so effective and
so powerful.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Well, I will say this about both of you, having
gotten and know you both now, both Isabelle and Catalina,
both of you have you know that that same energy, passion,
the same principles, the same values, the same courage as Charlie.
And I know that both of you will play a
big role in carrying on his mission. And I want

(14:27):
to thank you ahead of time for what I know
you're going to be a big part of and what
you're doing for young people. It's incalculable how important it
is that they hear the message that both of you
are espousing.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Thank you, Sean, and thank you for honoring our beautiful
friends legacy.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's just my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I knew him pretty well and I'm heartbroken over the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
It really is heartbreaking. Thank you both.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
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know It's sort of like when when Charlie Kirk was
being interviewed by Gavin Newsom, I have no idea where
the words latinx came from.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I had never heard it before.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I Meanwhile, then we went back in the archives and
we found example after example, never supported the right of
men to play women's sports, and then we found example
after example. I don't know, maybe liberals have bad memories.
Latest example that idiot governor from Illinois, JB. Pritzker saying
I've never called republicans Nazis. Well, we'll play that and

(17:00):
then we'll play him calling republicans Nazis.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Listen, that is completely false.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
I have never called republicans Nazis. Everything that he has
done has been tearing down constitutional democracy, and that's what
happened in Nazi Germany. It doesn't take very long to
tear apart a constitutional republic. Indeed, the Nazis did it
in fifty three days, and our democracy is almost as fragile,

(17:28):
and we're seeing it right now. The dangers that we
saw in you know, Nazi Germany, especially in the earliest
days of Nazi Germany, are the dangers that we need
to react to now. It's a five alarm fire.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Everyone, it's a five alarm fire that you know. All
these radical leftists just lie, you know, with unbelievable you know,
casualness and just utter hypocrisy. Get to our busy phones.
Tyson is in Louisiana, Tyson High. How are you glad

(18:04):
you called?

Speaker 6 (18:06):
Hey, Sean super gad that you were able to take
my call. It's an honor to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Thank you, the honor of mine.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Yeah. Two quick points. I'm a thirty four year old
here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. A lot of similarities in
my life as Charlie Kirk, you know, where both young
men trying to raise our families the right way, the
Christian way, if you will, and I think both of
us are. I mean, I'm not as loud as he is,
but I like to tell people how it is. You know,

(18:35):
if you're gonna ask me out my faith and my beliefs,
I'm gonna be blunt with you. I don't know if
that's just a Southern thing, but that's my first point. Secondly,
I do think that there is I don't know how
you put light on this situation, but I read an
article Monday that said there was thirty two thousand Turning

(18:55):
Point USA chapters that were being applied. For a little
bit of homework myself, and if we have it is.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right, thirty two thousand requests for new Turning Point USA
campus chapters, thirty two thousand.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
I read read that, and I do just a little
bit of homework. I know you don't have to be
a university to hold a Turning Point USA chapter. But
just if we have six thousand universities, that's over, you know,
six thousand applications of university and that just shows that
God is working. And you know, I think it's important
that as conservatives, as Christians, we remember that it is

(19:33):
a scary, scary world that we live. And know when
you know, these people can assassinate somebody, whether it be
Charlie Kirk or you know, Brandon Thompson, the CEO from
the United Healthcare and just celebrate death. But just want
to encourage you and encourage your audience that God is
good and that we have we have the higher ground

(19:56):
because crisis on our side, but man, it's scary.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Well, I want to encourage everyone to do exactly what
you're doing, and that is, you know what, don't be timid,
don't be afraid and and you know what, I think
this is a moment where conservatives now can be just
as plain and outspoken, you know, with patience and love

(20:23):
and kindness. Don't don't be like the radical left and
live by example and not. You know, it's gotten to
the point where I think kids got afraid to even
mention their belief in God and mention their faith. And
yet we you know, most Americans are faithful people. We

(20:46):
are generally of very good people. We're not a perfect people.
Christians are not perfect people. As a matter of fact,
that the prerequisite to first become a Christian is to
admit that you're wrong, Admit you know and acknowledge or
fallen state, Acknowledge that you need forgiveness, acknowledge that you

(21:09):
are incapable of changing yourself. The word repentance comes from
the Latin to change one's heart.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
And and it's.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
A pretty There's there's been false perceptions of Christianity that
are out there.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
All Christians wants to proselytize.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
If you want to ask me about my faith, I'll
tell you what I believe, and I don't I would
not be here today. I can tell you with a
certainty without it. That's how important it is to me
in my life, and it just is at the core
of who I am. Again, not perfect, all of send
them fallen short, my friend, but I'll explain my journey.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
I was just gonna say, there's a saying out there.
It's a you cannot heal wound by saying it's not there.
And that's really the only thing that separates Christians from
others is that we understand we have the wound. We
understand we need healing, and that's where Christ comes in.
And so you know, continue to you know, praise God
if you will, and you know, keep putting Christ first,

(22:08):
and just know that there's there's hope for us. You know,
there's there's hope in this scary world.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
There's a lot of hope in the scary world. You know,
one thing is a Christian that you do understand is
there's good and there's evil. But we also know how
the story ends. We know it's going to get bad,
because the Bible is very clear about that in the
last days, but we also know how the story ends.

(22:35):
And you know, as we've seen so much vile, future, disgusting,
repulsive comments of the Left's also we've also seen incredible
acts of kindness and generosity and an awakening in the
country that is inspiring, you know, and I I maybe
should focus more on that aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Tyson.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
God bless you in your journey, my friend, and appreciate
you calling a great call. Ross is in my free
state of Florida. Ross, how are you glad you called?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Sir?

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Hey, mister Henny, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Hey, you for calling. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So?

Speaker 7 (23:14):
Number one, I mean, Charlie Kirk was was one of one,
and I think, you know, I'm roughly his age. I
got a group of kids myself and just kind of
preparing them for the future. And one thing that just
was so amazing about mister Kirk was the way that
he just had this breadth, this wealth of knowledge, and
the conviction he was able to express his ideas of

(23:38):
whether it be politics or religion or you know, civics, history,
any of that. And so, as a as somebody that
wants to get more involved in this type of you.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Know area, where do we start?

Speaker 7 (23:52):
It's a little bit overwhelming when you listen to him
and how how easy it is for him to talk
about this and Obviously that takes years of research and
reading and whatnot. So in order for us to kind
of carry his legacy on where where is a good
place for us to start and kind of build that
wealth of knowledge that he had?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, first of all, you already have it. You just
may not know how how deeply you have it. The
fact that you have it in your heart and it's
your desire and it's within you, you know, just let
it overcome you and immerse yourself in it and follow
the path that God has obviously put you on. You know,

(24:32):
I am a very firm believer that every human being
was created by God with a purpose and that is
the fundamental you know, meaning of the word education from Latin,
and that you know, all of us were born with
talent and ability and it's unique and very specific for
every individual. And obviously your heart is calling you in

(24:56):
this direction to contribute. Maybe it means just volunteering at
your local church. Maybe it means devoting yourself a little
bit more deeply to your family, your fought, your kids. Uh,
maybe it's you know, doubling down on what your value
system is.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Now.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Look, I can tell you right now, there's probably people
right now that are in their car and they're probably
driving to do something they know they shouldn't be doing.
What do you think the odds of that are probably
pretty high.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right, pretty high?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yes, you know what I want to say to that person.
Turn around, go home to your family. Don't do it.
People that are about to do drugs, don't do it.
Go seek out help, you know, make a phone call,
Call call a friend, call a family member, you know,
call a hotline, whatever you need to do, and and

(25:48):
use this moment because we really only have the moment.
You know, the past is the past, the future is
then here. So you live in the moment. And I
believe you know, if you if, for example, Moses, what
did Moses? What did God tell Moses? You know, when
Moses asked, well, who should I say?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Sent me? I am what?

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Does that imply always was, always, will be ever present, omnipotent.
And you know, I look at the beauty and the
majesty of creation, and I just know that the hand
of God is all over it. And you know, if
the Bible tells us that every grain of sand on
the beach is counted, in the hairs of our head
are counted, I kind of have a lot of confidence

(26:31):
that that God knows what he's doing and will guide
all of us if we desire and seek him out.
I really just think it's a matter of opening your
heart and wanting it. I don't think it's any more
complicated than that, and it will come into your heart.
And I've experienced it in my own life. I don't
talk a lot about it, but I guess this is
as good a time as any to do.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
So.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
All right, it sounds like how old are you kids?

Speaker 7 (26:54):
By the way, from eight down to four months?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
How many kids in total? God bless you. I had
two and that was hard. So don't just be there
for them. Just take them to church every week. Start
there and talk to them. Yes, sir, you know, I'm
glad as my kids have gotten older. You know, I've
gotten closer and closer and closer and closer to them.

(27:18):
There's nothing we can talk about. Nothing they can tell
their dad anything. Rosscott busher Man appreciate it. Eight hundred
ninety four one, Sean, if you want to be a
part of the program. Kim and Delaware. Hey Kim, how
are you?

Speaker 8 (27:31):
I'm well, Shawn, thank you so much for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I thank you for calling thank you.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
I'm listening to everybody talk about our fear, and I
think that I know for me, that's the biggest problem is.
Leading up till last Wednesday, I was I was just afraid.
I'm afraid of offending somebody. I'm not going to say
something about my faith or my belief because I'm afraid

(28:01):
that I'm going to offend someone who doesn't agree with me.
But of course they're free to say things to offend me.
And after Wednesday, I just realized that there's a whole population. Really,
as cliche as it is, it's the silent majority, and

(28:22):
we're just we're realizing that it's time for us to
be loud. The far last is so loud, and it's
time for us to show that they're not the majority.
They're just really loud. But it's time for us to
be louder and to not be afraid.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I say all the time, let not your heart be troubled.
Right you believe in God, you believe in me. Peace
I leave with you my peace. I give to you,
not as the world gives, but as I give. Let
not your heart be trouble, neither let it be afraid.
I don't I don't want to ever live my life
in fear, and it has directed me in my life.

(29:06):
You know we use terms like in sports, no fear,
no fear right. Well, I think that's also a good
motto to live life under right, no fear, that you're
not going to let fear consume you in your life
or or or I tell my kids all the time,
don't care what other people think about you, or else
you can't live, I said. I asked them, do you

(29:27):
think I could do my job if I cared with
the people that hate me think about me.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I could not do my job well.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
And I think that's where so many of us on
the right have fallen. Is that where it's like I
put my flag at half mass my personal flag at
half masks, and my first thought when I did that
was maybe I shouldn't do this. What if they burned
my house down and I still did it? But that's
so so awful that that's my first thought is instead

(29:58):
of supporting honoring this man who was assassinated, I'm afraid
of what people will say, what they will do, because
it's just gotten so ugly.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
You know something, I appreciate your blunt honesty. God bless
you appreciate it. Eight hundred ninety four to one, Seawn,
you want to be a part of the program.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's gonna wrap things up for today.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Hannity Tonight, nine Eastern on the Fox News Channel, Fireworks
with Cash Bettel on Capitol Hill. We'll have all the coverage,
We'll get reaction. Jim Jordan, Jason Chafitz will join us. Also,
Jack Chadarelli, running for governor New Jersey, has a message
for his radical opponent. We'll get into that. Sage steal tonight,

(30:41):
Hugh Hewitt Tonight, Ryan's previous tonight. Say you DVR Hannity Tonight,
nine Eastern on the Fox News Channel. We'll see you
then back here tomorrow. Thank you for making this show possible.

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