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September 25, 2025 • 31 mins

Today on The Sean Hannity Show, Dr. Ben Carson joined Sean fresh off being sworn in as USDA's National Advisor for Nutrition, Health, and Housing, a major move in federal nutrition policy. Sean framed Carson as an unusually principled and compassionate public servant, highlighting Carson's ongoing commitment to health education and wellness. They discussed Carson's collaboration with figures like Dr. Oz and RFK Jr., the U.S.'s struggles with food quality, and why reforming nutritional standards matters, especially for impoverished communities. Carson's approach is pragmatic: learn from global best practices, focus on food quality from soil to plate, and make nutritious foods accessible, a plan that could impact life expectancy and national health outcomes for years to come.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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when we're seeing all of this, that is a playbook
out of Hitler, and I won't deny it. At my
speech on the ellipse a tyrant, we used to compare
the strength of our.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Democracy to communist dictators.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
That's what we're dealing with right now, Donald Trump, these.

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Speaker 4 (00:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
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Solutions for America.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Coming up next, our final News Roundup and Information Overload Hour.
All Right, News round Up and Information Overload Hour are
toll free telephone numbers eight hundred and nine point one. Sean,
if you want to be a part of the program,
it's always an honor, a privilege, and a pleasure to
have back on the program. Our friend doctor Ben Carson.

(01:30):
He's actually filled in on the show. I filled in
once with his wife. I think one of the best
conversations I ever had Ben Carson and I and I
meant this in every complimentary way. And I had done
an event with him, did an interview with him, and
he had been running for president. And I said to him,
you are too nice a person, You're too good a

(01:53):
person to ever be able to run for president. And
I meant every word of it, because he is one
of the nicest people you'll ever meet in life. He
was sworn in today as the USDA's National Advisor for Nutrition,
Health and Housing. He was also very close with our
dear friend Charlie Kirk and just awarded the Presidential Medal

(02:15):
of Freedom and doctor Carson, it's an honor to have you.
Congratulations on your new position. I don't know if you
remember that conversation. I honestly meant it in the most
complimentary way as somebody that has done this now for
decades now.

Speaker 6 (02:31):
Always good to be with, Sean. Many people have told
me that I'm too nice, and they're probably.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
You need a certain edge, you know, to that swamp,
that sewer that is Washington, d C. You really do.
I love good. I love the fact that you're serving again.
I love that your relationship with President Trump has always
remained strong. I love that you know, even during COVID,

(03:00):
your voice of reason. You know you aren't telling people
what they should do. You were telling them to be
smart tickets, seriously, consult with their doctors, and make informed decisions,
which I think is good advice for everybody.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Everybody.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Can you believe everybody wanted me to tell them what
to do regarding whether or not they should get vaccinated.
I'm like, I'm not a doctor, and I'm not going
to play one on radio or TV.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I said, take it seriously.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I don't know anything about your you know, co morbidities
or pre existing conditions, or your current medical condition. I
know nothing. I'm not qualified to tell you. And people
were insisting I tell them. I'm like, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
You were doing a better job than some of the
people who have degrees because they didn't mix common sense,
and that accounts for a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
It really does. All right, tell us about your new position.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Obviously you'll be working closely with doctor Ozen, with RFK Junior,
and obviously health Now is in the forefront. The Maha
movement is really is very real in this country.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
And with Brooke Rollins, you know, we really need to
be looking at the inception of where does our food
come from from the soil to the plate. And you know,
we're really suffering in our country from poor nutrition, which
is really strange to say in a rich country like
we have. But we're like that person that you knew

(04:22):
who was young and fit, and then you see them
many years later and they're just a total slob because
they just haven't been paying attention. And that's what's happened
to us, and our life expectancy is actually going down
over the last few years, and in many other countries

(04:42):
it's going up, but they don't use a lot of
the artificial things that we use in our food. I
have a very good friend who has diabetes, well I
should say had diabetes. He moved to Europe two months
ago and his diabetes gone. So it has a lot

(05:03):
to do with what we're putting in and how we're
living our lives. I used to always say, if everybody
ate three well balanced meals a day, drank six to
eight glasses of water, exercise regularly, got good sleep, and
didn't put hardful things in their bodies. Most people in
medicine would be out of a job. Having said that,

(05:24):
I got nothing to worry about. But people aren't going
to do it. But we have to do our best
to convince them and to make available, particularly to people
who live in some empoised areas, we have to make
available to them nutritious foods. And we're removing from the
SNAP program a lot of non nutritious foods and replacing
them with more than twice as many as there were before.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
You know, I was really shocked.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I've gotten to old people like Jillian Michaels, who I
absolutely love, and guys like Gary Brecker who I love.
And I've had conversations, long conversations with RFK Jr. And
with doctor Oz and yourself. What is amazing to me.
One of the things I think it was Jillian Michaels
who told me first is Europe will not import well,

(06:13):
they hadn't been importing American produce or American beef, and
there are two major issues test asides and hormones and
the same with poultry, and they and I've had I've
all my friends that have ever been to Europe and
I've been there myself and have ever tried the food there.

(06:37):
It's amazing. I can eat pizza and pasta, which I
never eat here. I'm pretty much very keto friendly meat,
eggs and fish and that's it for me. And I
really avoid sugar like the plague, and I work out
like a madman, and I try to be in the
best south. Nicotine probably is probably my dumbest thing that

(06:58):
I do, but I kind of need it. I can't
explain it, but I do caffeine. I do like my coffee.
I'll have a couple of cups a day. But I'm
working on it again, and I have people like Jillian
all over me about it. But you know, what does
that tell you that Europe's food is cleaner? What does
it mean? Why is that? Why can't we do what

(07:20):
they're doing? Why do men in Japan live ten years
longer than men in America.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
They've paid much closer attention, and they have not allowed
the almighty dollar to dictate the decisions that they make.
You know, I was very pleased to see a few
weeks ago a kill Og company come to the table
and say, you know, we're ready to talk about this.
We don't need to put these artificial colorings in that

(07:46):
are petroleum based, and several other companies are so willing
to do that. So I think they've known all along
that this was a problem, and I'm sure there were
people in those companies who were concerned about it, but
they didn't feel that they would have to backup if
they became the whistleblower. So now a lot more people

(08:07):
are feeling comfortable about it, and I think we're going
to make very rapid progress as a result of that.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, tell me a little bit more specifically about the
work you're going to be doing now that you've got disappointment.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
Well, obviously we're going to be utilizing our many nutritional
experts across the board, getting recommendations from them, but also
looking at things that we're putting into the soil, the
things that we're putting on growing fruits and vegetables, and

(08:42):
looking at ways that we can accomplish what they wanted
to accomplish with those things, but do it in a
safer way, and that's where the rubber meets the road,
and also looking at how can we bring the prices now,
you know, look at the prices of beef ground beef
and things like that. Are there some things that we

(09:05):
could be doing that they're doing in other parts of
the world that seem to be effective. And one of
the things that I believe in is not reinventing the will.
If there's some place that is doing something better than us,
I don't say, let's we're Americans. We can do it better.
Let's see what they're doing, and don't reinvent the will.

(09:28):
Maybe add to the will make it even better.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
We're very excited for you, We're glad you're there. You're
with a great team. I think every American needs to
think about longevity, health, wellness, fitness, nutrition and do the
best you can.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Let me ask you one last question.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
A lot of people are on these these weight loss medications,
will Goovy, will go V whatever you call it, and zempic,
and I guess there's a bunch of other ones. And
I think they're about to come out with a pill
form of one. I old friends that have been on it.
I know people that have lost one hundred pounds because

(10:04):
of these medications. You can't convince me, especially everything I
read about it is it's quote heart healthy, et cetera.
These medications good for people.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
Well, you know, the long term studies have yet to
be done. I guess we'll find out in the long run.
But the problem is you have to keep taking them,
and they're not exactly cheap. And if you really want
to have a permanent, lasting effect, you know, import some
discipline into your life. You know, don't just eat.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Everything, and don't just eat everything. That's the story of
my life, doctor Carson. I can't eat what I want.
I mean, if I could, i'd be eating. You know,
I wouldn't stop eating.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, you hear people saying I don't eat that much.
I have a gland problem. They do have a gland problem.
So celebraty glad because.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
We all like to eat. You know what, I know
what I've gotten into the habit of doing. I'm eating.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I eat sunflower seeds just to kind of take away
the craving.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Is that a good idea?

Speaker 6 (11:07):
Sunflower seeds are good? Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (11:11):
There.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I get an, I get an A plus and it's
not going to put a lot of weight on me either.
And it just keeps my mouth moving. I don't know,
I just uh, I have to be doing something at
all times.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Well, your mouth is moving anyway, but it moves in
a good way, so we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
That's why we love you, doctor Ben Carson. We appreciate
you more than you know. Thank you, my friend. Congratulations,
Thank you, Sam.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Take care eight hundred Shawn.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
If you want to be a part of the program. Now,
let's get to our busy phones. Eight hundred nine one, Sean,
if you want to be a part of the program.
Rhode Island, we have Tom standing by Tom Ware in
Rhode Island, are you sir.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
Well right now? I'm in the middle, Tom, but I
live in Cranston. I know you lived at before and
you asked me about the Black Pearl. I've been there
at a Greig restaurant.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
And did you have the chatter? Did you have the
the best knowing clamshowder ever? Made you?

Speaker 7 (12:07):
Chowder guy? Not a chowder guy, Sean. But I'm a
long time listener. This is my third time talking to him.
Most recent time I spoke with you was on April seventh,
and my wife and I are on our way to
Europe and I called you from the Newark International Airport
and I think you were talking to me because I
told you the reason that Republicans won the Senate the
House and the White House was because God never sleeps well.

(12:29):
I hope the Democrats listened because God, God isn't sleeping.
Every time they they do something bizarre, he takes down
into consideration. But the main reason I wanted to talk
to you today is about Gavin Newsom. I'm want to
talk to you about how incompetent he is. Now, can
you correct me if I'm wrong? Didn't you hold the

(12:50):
debate with Governor de Santas of Florida and Governor Newsom
two summers ago?

Speaker 3 (12:55):
I believe I did.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
And prior to that, I've blew out to California and
had an interview with Gavin that went on for an hour.
And he's slick. But you know his statistics, which we
have laid out in detail. Considering has it been attacking
me publicly, I'm not going to take that crap from anybody.
I'll fight back verbally obviously, and I'll I just you know,

(13:21):
how do you explain not having water in fire hydrants?
How do you explain empty reservoirs?

Speaker 7 (13:26):
Joe? Incompetent he is? But the main point I'm fine
to drill home here was I believe you asked him
on a scale of one to ten. How good of
a job I think Joe Biden's doing. And he said
at ten, do you.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Remember the duck on the bike. He's stuck on the
Biden train to the very end. Look, it's disappointing because
I think he had potential. I really do in terms
of you know, when he started out, well, let me
interview conservatives and have conversations, and that just didn't work out.
That he got too much rushback from the liberal radical

(13:58):
base of his party, which then turned him into part
time governor, full time tweety bird, full time podcaster, and
full time angry governor. And you know, obsessed with Donald
Trump and trolling Trump all day. He's not Trump. He's
not good at it. He thinks that, oh, I'm really
getting under their skin. He's telling Colbert, No, you're actually

(14:21):
making a fool of yourself. You just don't know it.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
Democrat Party makes a fool of himself. Sean, the whole
Democrat Party. I don't know if anybody's in the Democrat Party.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, then what the hell are you doing living in
Rhode Island because that state, slans is as solidly left
as Massachusetts.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
Yeah, well, I'm originally from Massachusetts, but I always vote Republican. Sean.
That's just like you said.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
He did have a good mayor of Providence once. I
know he went to jail, but I really liked him,
Buddy cenci Well, he was a character.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
He was a good governor, a good mayor. Nineteen eighty
he ran for governor but didn't get in. But he
uh yeah, great guy Republicans he was. He actually went
into kind of ties the end. But I love your show.
I'm going to continue listening and keep up the good work.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Well next time you go. When everybody sants he would
come to New York. This guy was such a nice guy,
so gregarious, and he'd tell me the best stories about
his years in prison, how he was like the mayor
in the prison he was in and had the best
attitude in the world. He'd always bring me black pearl
clam chowder that was frozen, and I'd go home.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
And I'd be like happy as hell. And he really
loved life.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
And it's you know, people like that with that kind
of infectious personality just you can't help but love the guy. Anyway,
Tom appreciate it. Thank you, sir. All Right, we'll take
a quick break we'll come back. We'll get to more
of your phone calls coming up. I promised straight ahead.
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Speaker 3 (18:00):
What's wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
There's something something is snapped. Yesterday you said to me, Hey, boss, boss,
would you mind? Could you please do me a favor?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Boss? Can you do me a favor? Please?

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We need one spot. I know you're busy, but if
you have a minute, would you mind doing this? It's important,
It's really I kind of went out on a limb
and I told them I'd try to get you to
do it.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Would you mind doing it?

Speaker 7 (18:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
And you very kindly did it, so thank you. The
client was very happy. And what did I say to you?
I said to you, I said, you always said, are
you sick?

Speaker 7 (18:36):
Is everything all right?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Are you sick?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Man?

Speaker 3 (18:40):
So, Abigail what's her name? Samberger?

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Running for governor. I happen to like wins Seis.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think Winsom series would be a perfect follow up
to Glenn young And I wish Glenn Youngkin could run
for a second term. I like him a lot, but
running against a radical Democrat, and they recently uncovered a
clip and in light of everything that's been going on
in society, quite applicable to the moment that we're living in.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Listen, let your rage fuel you.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Every time we hear a new story, we let it
fuel us.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Every time we turn on the news, we let it
fuel us.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
Every time something bad is happening, we say, oh, that's motivation.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 8 (19:26):
I have an opponent who's incredibly motivating.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Let your rage fuel you. Wow, that's a great slogan.
That's a new one. Haven't heard that before. You know,
that's a good thing to run on La South Carolina.
Next on the Sean Hannity Show, what's up, Lele?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (19:43):
Sean?

Speaker 9 (19:44):
I appreciate you having me on, and thank you for
all you do and having the courage to do what
you do even when it's not popular.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
But this is what By the way, when I first
supported Trump, it was not popular.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
Oh and.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, lend back Ben Shapiro and the crap out of
me for a couple of years straight. Oh, now they're
big supporters. By the way, there's a lot of people
that fall into that category. I don't call him out
I'm glad they're on board now, but man, where's the
phone call?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah? You are right, Sean.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
We probably shouldn't have been that harsh against you non
stop twenty four to seven.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But whatever, Who cares, Sean.

Speaker 9 (20:19):
You've always been a trailblazer, So you just keep being
you boo.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Well, I listen, I'm honored to do this every day.
My job is Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean, you want an audience, But if I'm not
honest with you, if I don't tell you how I
really feel. And I remember in twenty sixteen and I
watched Ted Cruse. I've loved Ted Cruse. I always loved
Ted Cruz. I didn't think he could win. I didn't
believe it, and so I saw potential in Trump, that
the moment was perfect for an outsider to win, and

(20:50):
that you know, these private conversations that we had together,
I mean they got heated some nights late into the night,
and I did my own vetting of him, and I realized, Wow,
is he is not the per that I thought he was.
And I knew him for many years even prior to that,
I've known him now for three decades.

Speaker 9 (21:05):
Wow wow, Yeah, No, you've been right on the cutting
edge on that all along. But and this is what
you're talking about today really goes to what I really
can't wrap my head around. We have these elected officials
who take an oath of office to uphold and protect
the Constitution and the people of the United States, and
the same sum of these same elected officials are lying

(21:26):
to us. Those same elected officials that are lying to
us actually have security clearances. Why are these people not
being held accountable for inciting these terrible things that are
going on. They are inciting people for going and killing
these people other people. I can't wrap my head around.
To Sean, it's absolutely insanity, and I don't understand how

(21:51):
some of the people can't even see it.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, I got to tell you, I played you know
what I'm going to do this La and your honor
going to replay that which we played on radio yesterday,
And this is Democrats and their constant demonization of ice.
Nobody's going to convince me that this does not have
a hypnotic dehumanizing impact on people, especially people on the edge. Now,

(22:18):
I do hold people accountable, the people that pull the trigger,
they're responsible. But do I believe people's minds could be
whipped into a frenzy and that they can be convinced
when prominent figures repeatedly say racist, Nazi, fascist, et cetera,
I do anyway, and you're on or this is for
you lay.

Speaker 8 (22:37):
Donald Trump's modern dagascopo is scooping folks up off the streets.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
It's somebody who understands history. When I see ICE, I
see slave controls.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
The dangers that we saw in uh In, you know,
Nazi Germany are the dangers that we need to react
to now.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
And these ICE agents running around our communities like masked
bank robbers, terrorizing women.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
Masked ICE agents, no badge, no identification, grabbing people off
the streets.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Masked secret ICE agents are snatching and arresting immigrants.

Speaker 8 (23:15):
Women who are selling fruit on a corner are people
who are trying to survive day to day as day laborers.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Are car washes.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
People are beginning to complain now because car washes aren't open.
Why would you pray on a car wash unless you
praying on that car wash, because you know, those are
very vulnerable workers.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
And another thirty billion dollars to hire and train ICE
agents who have functionally become a secret federal police force
with expanding domains for coming and kidnapping and disappearing people
on the streets of the United States.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
We have ICE, federal agents pulling up, terrorizing our communities,
hopping out of unmarked vans, stealing and yes, kidnapping people. Harry,
and government in Washington, DC is dispatching massed agents to
abduct immigrants from our streets. That is not justice, It
is cruelty, and it is criminal.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
One hundred and seventy five billion dollars in the bill
that was just signed to reinforce the ranks of ICE
homeland security for what is increasingly becoming self evident to
anyone with eyes wide open in any level of objectivity,
a private army for Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
All right, that was in honor of la in South Carolina.
That's your modern extreme radical defund dismantle no bail law,
hate ICE, demonize ICE, Democratic Party, That's who they are.
And the same people that lied for four years the
borders closed and secure, the same people all right, back

(24:52):
to our phones, Larry, Louisiana, Larry, how are you glad
you called?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Sean doing good man? You need to forego the chowder
and come down here and get yourself some crawfish bud.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Uh, I don't know, jumble on maybe a little better.
What do you think it's all good?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Man sanson't taste.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
By the way, what do they.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Call those doughnuts you go to with all the sugar
the powdered sugar on top of Bennet's or something.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Oh yeah, the Beignett's.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
You gotta go get your signe's. Yeah, benye Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I was at that famous shop in New Orleans, as
you all say down there, but in New Orleans, and
uh oh man, there's a group of liberals next to me,
and they hated me, hated me, And I said, well,
if you have anything you want to say, why don't
you just say it to my face? Because you know

(25:42):
there was there was purposely speaking loudly trashing me. I'm like,
I'm right here. If you want to say something to me,
say it. I said, how about this. How about I
offer to pay your bill and you have a good
day and uh uh, you know, leave the people, you know,
respect the people that I'm with. Nothing to do with
my job, right, will never take any anything from you ever?

(26:05):
Like Okay, don't I thought liberals like free stuff? Whatever
I tried.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Wow, yeah, you gave it a shot. Look, Sean, Man,
I my story is a little bit interesting. I would
be as quick as I can. The brief story is
I'm a therapist and I've been in ministry for many years.
About three years ago, my marriage felled and I went
through some of the darkest times that I can ever recall,
and I slipped into made the worst decision to start

(26:33):
drinking for the first time of my life, never drank before,
and found myself in the absolute worst of worst places,
you know, AA rehab, just lots of friends are supporting me,
and just never could sing to pull myself out of there.
And on September the tenth, I was having one of
those very inward days, man, where I was struggling and

(26:57):
asking God for help. And then this happened, Man, the gruesome,
horrible death of our friend Charlie Kirk, and I went
into a twenty four hour I would call it a
conviction spiral, Seawan, where something changed in me and I
found myself that evening praying I mean praying very, very hearts.

(27:18):
And when I got up from there, Sean, I was,
and I'm not kidding you, I was a delivered changed man.
I'll never forget the feeling. It's like the scales, the
weight just fell.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Off of me.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
And it's like I was primed for the moment, but
I needed something. And Charlie Kirk's assassination, as horrible as
it was, became a catalyst for me to say, you know,
I'm better than this. Look at this young man and
what he has given to this country and to the
faith and to our God, and what am I doing?
And I walked away, Sean. And after drinking daily for

(27:53):
probably one hundred and sixty five out of the last
one hundred and eighty nights, Man, I haven't had a
drink since I haven't wanted a drink. I walked completely
away from it. And I'm just thankful to Charlie, and
I'm thankful to his family, and I'm thankful to people
that stood with him and that has supported him and
supported me through my journey. And it's not Charlie that

(28:14):
did it, Shrong, It's God. Jesus is the one who
set me free. But he took this ugly situation and
helped me turn my life around and have many other
people man in this country and across the world are
experiencing moments like this. And we'll never hear about him.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So you're a therapist and a minister. You'd never drink
in your life. You go through a painful divorce. Now
were you drinking before the divorce? Did you do something
else before the divorce?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
You know? What? What?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
What triggered this spiral away from what the path that
you were on? And you know and by the way,
I do believe in redemption. The word repentance means to
change your heart. You've changed your heart. I believe that. Yeah,
that God has the ability to change hearts, and he does.
But what was it that triggered? You never drank before? Like,

(29:03):
I can tell you a lot about drinking. Every person
that drinks has a number, and everybody's number is unique
and different. Some people can drink a lot, some people
can drink a single drop. And you have to know yourself. Well,
but what was it that triggered in the first place?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well, I was, you know, I did. I had drink
a little bit on and off, but not problematic, Sean.
It was in private, never went to bars. I don't
have friends that drink. The manastery. There was no fall
from grace. We actually had just retired for a while
and looking for the next you know, door to open.
We were kind of waiting, and there were some other

(29:38):
things in our marriage that fell apart in whenever I
woke up the day without my kids and my home
who are who are grown now, but without my wife
and my kids and my future that I had, that's whenever,
I just it took me about two weeks and then
I started going to the liquor store. After that, I
just couldn't couldn't handle the weight. So it wasn't like
the necessarily a fall from grace or anything like that.

(30:01):
I think it was a disconnection for a while, and
then the problems in the marriage came to a head.
And then you know, never having is crazy, never having
drink in college, high school, anything like that. Never I
didn't have a number. I didn't know what a number was, Sean.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Now you know what your number is. I can tell
you what your number is.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Your number zero, zero, brother, my number, you know. And
I have a lot of friends who's numbers are zero.
And you know what I do when I have a
friend that is number zero, Like I can. I can
have a couple of drinks and it's not a big
deal to me. But when I have a friend that
I know the number zero. I'll never drink in front
of them ever, right, just don't do it, just kind
of stand in solidarity with them. And it's painful. I've

(30:40):
seen too much of it. Being a bartender taught me
a lot. I will say this, Pastor DoD's been looking
out for you. He has his hand on you. We're
all going to pray for you, and you stay on
the road you're on now, and that this conversion you
know is now for the rest of your life, until
you enter paradise. I admired the fact that you fought
through it. You changed, you reached out, you were humbled.

(31:02):
There's a lot to learn from you, and you'll be
able to share that and help other people.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
God bless you in your ministry.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Thank you, Sean.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I appreciate it. I'd bless you.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Eight hundred nine four one, Shawn is a number that's
going to wrap things up for today. The latest on
the radical rhetoric of the left and how they are
putting ICE agents in great danger. Todd lyons acting ICE Director,
also Senator Katie Britz, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, Senator Lindsey Graham.
We've got tapes of him regarding James Comy, You're going

(31:32):
to want to see and a full report from John Solomon.
Also Emerson polling forty three, forty three. Jack Chittarelli is
now even in New Jersey. That would be a huge upset.
And Clay Travis nine Eastern Tonight, Hannity, I'm Foxy them
back here tomorrow. Thank you for making this show possible.

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