November 25, 2025 • 29 mins
The News Roundup / Information Overload hour dives into explosive revelations that the DOJ secretly obtained phone records and data from conservative members of Congress and groups like Turning Point USA, allegedly treating them like flight risks and potential witness-tamperers. Former Texas Congressman and judge Louie Gohmert joins Sean to detail how he learned his records were swept up, why he believes this shatters constitutional protections and separation of powers, and how civil-rights lawsuits might be used to fight back. Sean and Gohmert warn that, without Trump’s election wins, this kind of lawfare could have cemented a de facto one-party state, and they lay out plans for a Judicial Accountability Project to expose rogue judges. The hour closes on a lighter note with extended coverage of President Trump’s Thanksgiving turkey pardon ceremony—complete with jokes about “MAGA turkeys,” Chuck and Nancy, and zero illegal border crossings—before Sean reminds listeners how much Americans still have to be thankful for.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
News Round Up Information Overload hour. Here's our toll free
telephone number if you want to be a part of
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if you want to join us. If you miss the
President and the pardoning of the Turkey, we have that
coming up at the bottom of the half hour. Also
your calls coming up straight ahead. So we've learned a lot,
an awful lot, that so many Republican Senators, mostly conservative,
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mostly MAGA, and Congressman again mostly MAGA, mostly conservative, have
in fact been targeted in ways that nobody knew about,
and that includes conservative organizations like Turning Point USA. These
attacks against conservatives is so beyond the pale. I mean,
they knew that they went to phone companies, they got
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their phone records, they got their locations where phone calls
were made, they knew who they called when they called,
where the location of the call, the person they were
calling was, and anyway, it just it just never ceases
to amaze me. All right, joining us now, Congressman, former
congress and Louis Gohmert, first District of Texas. Man, I
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have missed you. How are you doing.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm doing well. Thank you. Sean, it's great talking to you,
and I really appreciate the emphasis you put on this,
and because you get it. If they had been successful
in keeping this covered up, then there would be and
if Trump had not won the election, we'd be over
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I mean, this would have been one party country. And
you had Jonathan Turnley on the other night and he
pointed out, look, you know these are people that are oversighted.
But it's even more than that, Charn. I know, Jim
and I talked about this back around the time that
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they were getting our records. We both had and our
Judiciary Committee had people calling up us that were part
of the FBI, part of the DOJ, saying you know, look,
we know of law breaking going on within the FBI,
within the dj We had whistleblowers contacting us. That's why
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there's a congressional privilege that prevents the DOJ from just
coming in and grabbing our material like they did here.
That makes it so dangerous.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, it really does. How did you find out about this? Now,
by the way, for those that don't know you were
a former judge, how many years did you spend in Congress?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Eighteen years in Congress. I was on the bench for
a decade and the last part of that short time
as a Chief Justice of the Court of Appeals. But
I found out when Grassley's lead investigators contacted me and said, look,
we just found out you were part of this. And
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I know Jim mentioned that he had the House Judiciary
Committee do some digging and found out there was a
non disclosure order issued by the Judge Bosberg. But I
learned that from the Senate Judiciary Committee. Their investigators told me, look,
they got these indios, the non disclosure orders. That means
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shan that somebody had to swear that all of us
listed were threats to flee the country, that we were
threats to destroy everything, as if we were Hillary Clinton,
then we had to bleach bit and all that.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh. They also they also said you would intimidate witnesses.
You're a former judge. You're not intimidating witnesses.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You're not going to race off to Grenada and hide
in or hide in the Caribbean somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's try. I've only got one home. So but that's
what they did, and they had to have somebody swear
that that was a risk, and that is so egregious.
Now having done it as a subpoena instead of a warrant,
they didn't have to prove any probable cause. They just
got the grand jury to issue the subpoena. But then
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to get that nondisclosure order, they had to get a
judge to find these things based on somebody swearing to
these things, and that's really egregious. And I just all
the way through finding out these things, I just keep saying,
thank you God, and thank you Donald Trump, because if
he hadn't won, that would we'd have a one party
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country and there would be nobody safe. And I go
back a few years when people were saying, you know,
we just need a candidate without all Trump's baggage, and
I would say, do you not get it? This DOJ
is going to give baggage to whomever the Republican candidate is.
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And we happen to have the only guy I know
of in the country week that could withstand the onslaught
of the legal waterfare, the financial warfare. I mean, they're
going after his friends, his family is in getting him
deep banked. Holy cow. So thank God for Trump, and
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he stayed through and he got elected, and now we're
able to find out all these things. And by the way,
there's a lot we don't know, an awful lot we
don't know. So, having consulted with Tom Fitten and one
of their attorneys, Sean Dunaghan, Judicial Watch is going to
be digging more from me and my former chief of staff.
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We're going to get to the bottom of just how
much information they got. And I do appreciate, you know,
AT and T being hesitant to turn anything over. Where
Verizon just said, yeah, sure you want to hear's everything
that wasn't very helpful.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, my understanding is is that I guess you had
her Verizon. Did you know I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Did have a Verzon And by the way, you know
you don't forget anything. You remember William Jefferson and the
ninety thousand dollars gold hard cash in his freezer. I
know because you talked about it back in five and six.
They had everything they needed to get a search warrant,
probably cause for his home. But then they did it.
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Muller did a got a warrant and searched his office
and all hell broke loose. And I was asked by Haster,
because of my background, just sit in on the meeting.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So there was a.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Lawyers from the White House, the DOJ, the House Council,
and historically, as it was brought out in that meeting,
anytime there was a warrant that was going to be
run on a congressman's office, his files, documents, computers, anything
like that, you take the warrant to the House Council.
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It's not because with members above the law or anything
like that. Is because this privileged material in there from whistleblowers,
from constituents, things like that that the DOJ has no
right to get, and so you bring it to the
House Council. They gather everything from the office and then
they start going through and they provide to the DOJ
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the things that the warrant requires. But the DOJ went
to a judge there and I don't remember who it was,
and said, we don't need to go to House Council.
We're going to set up within the DOJ somebody to
do all the screening and will decide what the congressman
can have Back. Well, Jefferson was guilty of sin and
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that wasn't the issue. The issue was you don't raid
that there's a separation of powers. The oversight authority is
totally pointed out and that was a message from Muller
back then as director of the FBI were we were
upset at him, and it was a message to Congress,
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you better lay off or we're coming after you. And
he made some comment maybe and they to set up
four hundred agents, you know, looking into Congress. Now, I
mean it was an in your face to Congress. And
this is this is much much, much worse than the
Watergate ever was.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Let me ask you this, because we do have a constitution,
we do have a Bill of rights, We do have
a fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure. If this
doesn't rise to that level, I don't know what does.
Do you agree with that legal analysis? And then the
next question I have is is there any remedy for you?
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Is there a possibility that you can sue for an
invasion of privacy like this? And you know what would
the remedy be.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, you're exactly right in your analysis legal analysis. You
point out too often you're not a lawyer, But boy,
do you have good legal analysis. Yes, you're dead on,
and yes there is potential remedy if we found that,
and we will find they vastly exceeded the scope of
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what they're allowed to do, and so there is a
potential suit for damages. But I just want to get
to the bottom of what who would be.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The likely person to suit? I mean, I would want
to hold the people that ordered this accountable, but maybe
these companies, you know, they have a responsibility to respect
the privacy of their clients as well, and unless they
show real probable cause, I mean, you know, the rationale
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that some judges is going to claim the likes of
you and Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and Jim Jordan
and I can run through the whole list, and Kevin
McCarthy are a flight risk is insane. The idea, idea
that you would be out there intimidating witnesses. I don't
even know if you would. I would don't know what
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witness to intimidate because you don't know what the hell
they're looking for anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Exactly exactly. So yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What what what is the underlying crime? You're you're a judge,
Tell me where is the crime here? Where is the
predicate to to invade like this?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well, there is no predicate, There is no basis to
invade like this, and we are protected and so but
they just flew by all the protections and did so
under color of law. So that's that's what they did.
And it was under color of law. So uh, it
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would be a civil rights lawsuit. But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But there, let me ask you this question because it's
been a while since we spoke. Uh when did you
What years were you in Congress? When did you retire?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Was went was horn in first January of five and
left Congress in January of twenty three. Okay, do you
miss it sometimes when when I want to get after
the people that are destroying my country? Yes, absolutely, But
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and I missed talking to you as much as we
used to, you know, I do miss it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh for me, this is like, you know, Reunion Day,
catching up with my old buddy Louis gomert I. I
remember doing events with you down in your district and
having a great time in Texas. But so what are
you what are you doing now? And why did you
get out? And what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, I'm senior fellow with the David Horwitz Freedom Center.
We lost David and he'd been a friend for so
many years, you know, a former communist and and and
by the way, you know, Whittaker Chambers had written he
was a communist, and he realized, you know, gee, I
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noticed in this communist system, when people change leadership, they
just get rid of they disappear people that disagree with them.
This isn't a good system. And that's what we would
have had right here, Sean. If they had been able
to get rid of all these Republican leaders, we would
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have had a one party system. It would have been
Marxists and there would have been nobody safe in the country.
But I was concerned. As great as the lawsuits have
been filed by our attorney general, he was not going
after the really widespread election fraud around the Dallas area
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and our big cities. And to me, the twenty twenty
four election was the be all end all. If Trump
didn't win, we were just toast. And so I made
a run. I got into late, but so anyway, but
so it wasn't just well, I'm going to sit back
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and retire. I would still want to try to do
what I could to save the country. And and President
Trump had told me a couple of times last year,
I need to take it with me to Washington. But
somebody up there is deciding they're not sure they me.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But anyway, well, Loois, let's be honest. I've known you along.
You can be a little bit of a handful. I
mean it's not like you're a quiet wallflower. I mean
I mean that in the most complimentary way. I mean,
I don't think I'm any different than you are.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, I know, I know you know, both of us
can be a little senacious and and I think that's
what you need in some areas up there. So anyway,
you're exactly right. But well, anyway, we're but being a
senior fellow with Horwitz Foundation, Ohen and you'll love this,
Daniel Greenfield says, you know, Louis, you've been talking about
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the need to expose these judges and go after them
and try to hold them accountable. So they're starting the
Judicial Accountability Project. But we're going to do dossier's or
on the judges that are not conforming with the laws
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and propriety, and then hopefully we'll get the House Judiciary
Committee to call them in, hold them accountable and im
beat them.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We got we got a whole list of stuff to do.
I'm just up on the clock, but we got to
have you back more often. I miss talking to you,
my friend. Have a great Thanksgiving with you and your
beautiful family, and we wish you the best. Louis Gomeert,
thank you, sir. All Right, So President was hilarious today
pardoning the turkey and some other fun moments that he had.
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I think it's worth playing. As you know, we now
get ready to take our little holiday break here for Thanksgiving.
We have so much to be thankful for, but this
was very entertaining during parts of today. Let me play
it for you.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Thank you very much, and.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I hope you like our new beautiful patio with matching
stone to the White House. If this were Grests today,
you'd be sinking into the mud like they've done for
many years, and you would be very unhappy.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Please, thank you very much. This was a big day.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
It's a parton day for a very important beast on
behalf of the First Lady and the entire Trump family.
I want to wish all Americans a very very happy Thanksgiving.
It's a great time of the year and our country
is doing really well economically like we've never done before.
Today we continue a time honored American tradition. Boy, that's
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a well trained turkey. See how happy he is. In
a few moments, I will grant a full, absolute and
unconditional presidential pardon to too handsome Thanksgiving turkeys.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And this is their lucky day. This is a lucky
day for them.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But before going any further, I want to make an
important announcement, because you remember last year, after a thorough
and very rigorous investigation by Pam Bondi and all of
the people at Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA,
the White House Counsel's Office, and the Department of Everything.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
We have a Department of Everything, you know that is
I think that's called the White House.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Into a terrible situation caused by a man named Sleepy
Joe Biden. He used an auto pen last year for
the turkey's pardon. So I have the official duty to determine,
and I have determined that last year's turkey partons are
totally invalid, as are the partons of about every other
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person that was pardoned other than Where's hunt.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
No Hunters was good.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
That was the one part in Pam that was good, right,
The rest of them are all invalid. I don't know
what the hell you're going to do about that, but
that's now We're going to take a little of the joke,
and that is a mess. But they're hereby Nol and Voyd.
The turkeys known as peachin Blossom last year have been
located and they were on their way to be processed,
in other words, to be killed. But I have stopped
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that journey and I am officially pardoning them and they
will not be served for Thanksgiving dinner. We saved them
in the nick of time. This one has plenty of time,
but they were saved in the nick of time.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
We're thrilled to.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Be joined today by Vice President j d Vance, Second
Lady Ushavance, their daughter Mirabelle, and along with Attorney General
Pam Bondi, Secretary's Marco Rubio, Scott Bessett, Pete hag Seth,
Brooke Rollins, Howard Lutnick, Linda McMahon, Scott Turner, Administrator Lee's Elden,
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who's done a great job. A nuclear power plant gets
approved in less than a week. Okay, I'm only kidding,
but pretty close to that.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And we have more. Where is Lee? Stand up?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
One of my great superstars. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Used to take twenty years before you got rejected when
you put in an application. Now we're doing them in
a matter of weeks, right, and that's why we have
the biggest plants anywhere in the world. We're leading in AI,
we're leading in everything. Our auto plants are pouring back
into our country. Where do you see the jobs coming
with them? But there many of them are under construction.
But Lee's done a great job in getting those approvals.
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I appreciate it very much. FBI Director of Cash Patel,
who's been very busy doing a great job. Also, thank you, Cash,
along with members of you get a following Cash along
with members of Congress, And in particular, I want to
mention Jason Smith and David Rosier. Where are those two guys?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Come on? Stand up fellows, what good people.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Jason knows more about the tax code than any living
human being knows so much, we don't even want to
hear about it, right, too complicated. We're going to make
it a simpler code. But we did in the great, big,
beautiful bill. It was just passed. Your imprints all over
that and it's amazing. The biggest tax cuts in the
history of our country for middle income people. The biggest
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tax cuts in the history of our country for middle
income people, and the biggest jobs bill ever passed, and
nobody thought we could get that one done on bland.
We actually put four years actually probably eight or ten years,
but we put four years worth of material into one great,
big beautiful bill. So that worked out very well. And
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I want to thank everybody for working on a JD.
That was a great That was a great well. You know,
we were going to do it in small bills. We're
gonna have eighteen bills. I do it along the process.
I'm glad Scott that we got it done because dealing
with these Democrats, I don't think I think that's our
one shot. But we have it all in one great,
big beautiful bill. Thanks as well to the chairman of
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the National Turkey Federation and the CEO, A Butterball.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's a big deal. Jay Jan drenn Wor's day.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Thank you, stand up, Jay, thank you very much, along
with his wife, Leslie and their three children, as well
as the farmer who raised these two magnificent birds, Travis
Pittman and Wayne County, North Carolina. I won Wayne County
by a lot. That means you had a voute for Trump.
I think I won by ninety two percent. I like
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Wayne County. They're doing all right right, and this is
like a record setting turkey that's going to be saved.
The turkey's being pardoned today go by the names of
Gobble and Waddle. When I first saw their pictures, I
thought we should send them.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Well, I shouldn't say this.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I was gonna call him Chuck a Nancy. But then
I realized I wouldn't be pardoning them. I would never
pardon those two people. I wouldn't pardon them. I wouldn't
care what Malania told me, Darling, I think it would
be a nice thing to do.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I won't do it, Darling.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
These are two of the largest turkeys ever presented to
an American president, over fifty pounds each, since the largest
we've ever had. And those are big turkeys. Are they
as good as the normal size turkey?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Better? Or as good? Do they tend to be a
little fatty? Maybe? Now? He said no, he knows the
turkey business anyway.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Despite their size, Secretary Kennedy has formally certified that these
are the first ever Maha turkeys. I don't know if
I agree with that these are Maha. In other words,
they could be fat, but they're still Maha. They've been
fattened on a steady diet of grass beef to allow
the smoothies and all of the other things that they've
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been eating for this occasion. This was a really big occasion,
but they've eaten every fattening food that you can eat.
We work like we wanted to really make them special,
and they really are. They're like record setting. I've never
seen a turkey that big before.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Are they violent at all?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Will they attack as I walk over, because if they were,
I'll say right up here. But as you know, we're
tough on crime administration, we are tough on crime. You know,
our border had zero people coming in for the last
seven months, right, zero.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I mean even I find that hard to believe to be.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
They had millions and millions of people pour into our
border from prisons, from mental institutions, gang members, drug dealers.
They poured in to our country like we were stupid people.
Not stupid people anymore. But nobody's ever seen anything the
job that they've done on the Tom Holman, Christinom, the
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whole group, the job they've done on the boat is
almost like a miracle. And the people that make these
statistics that said zero, they've said zero for the last
seven months.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It has to be like a few people got in,
but they say zero and their radical left Democrats to
do the scoring, so I can't imagine they.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Did that for us. The truth is, we have no people.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Coming into our country illegally. It's an amazing it's an
amazing statistic, and I'm very proud of it. And we
have the most people working in the United States today
by far, that we ever had in the history of
our country.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
So those are all good numbers.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But instead of part in, some of my more enthusiastic
staffers were already drafting the paperwork to ship Gobble and
Waddle straight to the terrorist confinement center in El Salvador.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
And even those.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Birds don't want to be there, you know what I mean.
It was a tough I'd like to thank the president
of that country. They they do a rather efficient It's
going to be the largest prison in history. I've never
seen anything like it, and a lot of people are behaving.
On a more serious note as we gather around the
dinner table, I'd like to lose a few pounds too,
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by the way, and I'm not going to lose it
on Thanksgiving. I can tell you that because I'm going
to have a turkey, but it's not going to be
that one. I hope all Americans will have the chance
to enjoy the fellowship of family and friends and renew
our faith in God's providence.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
One year ago, we were a dead country. One year ago.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
The King of Saudi Arabia said it to me. He
said it to me actually four months ago, when I
was in Saudi Arabia qatar Uee. He said, you know,
one year ago the United States was a dead country,
and now you've got the hottest country anywhere in the
world to do.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
We're the hottest country.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We have eighteen trillion dollars being invested as of now
that we're not even close to being one year. The
most ever was two trillion for a certain country I
won't name when during the last administration, in four years,
they had less than a trillion dollars being invested in
the country. In nine months, we have over eighteen trillion dollars.
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It's a number that nobody has ever even thought possible.
And that's in building plants and building so many things.
Investments in our country. Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
But we have more people working we have more people praying.
The churches are coming back. I don't know if you've
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been reading that story, but religion is coming back to America.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Some people say, oh, why would you mention that? To me?
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And this Thanksgiving, we're also making incredible strides to make
America affordable again. Walmart announced that the cost of their
standard Thanksgiving meal is twenty five percent lower than just
one year ago.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
According to the USDA, the price of Thanksgiving turkey is
down thirty three percent from its Biden highs. Potatoes are
down thirteen percent, hamm is down fifteen percent compared to
last Thanksgiving. So we are down to a level that
we haven't seen in a long time. Egg prices are
down eighty six percent since March, and gasoline will soon
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be hovering around two dollars a gallon. Under our leadership,
we passed the largest tax cuts in history, the largest
spending cuts in history, the largest regulation cuts in history,
and we have fully.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Secured our southern border.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I've also ended eight wars in nine months, and we're
working on that final war.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
It's not easy, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think we're gonna get there twenty five thousand soldiers
Ukraine Russia. In the last month, twenty five thousand soldiers
have died. So I think we're getting very close to
a deal. We'll find out. I thought that one would
have been god.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Quicker we did eight.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I thought that would have been an easier one. But
I think we're making progress in less than one year.
We've accomplished more than most other administrations have accomplished in
eight years. And this is a very special thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
We thank God.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
For his many blessings and the great success that this
country has seen in the short period of time. We
draw strength from the love of family and friends, and
we express our undying gratitude for the men and the
women of the United States Armed Forces.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
We love them.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
We pray that peace and prosperity will continue to bless
our land, and together we'll really just keep this great
drive going to make America great again.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Maga.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I think it's the greatest expression in the history of politics,
make America great again. So once again, Malania, thank you
for doing such a great job and being such a
great first lady. And now let's go and give gobble
waddle wattles. By the way, is missing action. But that's okay,
what pretend waddle is here the gift that they've been
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waiting for. And I'll move over and I will just
say very nicely, Gobble your pardon.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Come on, let's say it in front of Gobble. Thank
you very much, everybody, And.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
That's going to wrap things up for today. Look, we're
out for the week and we will be back on Monday.
Will also be in DC next week. I'll let you
know more about that coming up. I want to wish
you and your family members the greatest Thanksgiving. We have
so much to be grateful for. We have an almighty
God that has blessed us with the greatest best single
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country God gave men. And you know what, we often
take our blessings for granted, including our relatives, all of them.
Linda's too included in all seriousness, have a wonderful Thanksgiving
and we all have a lot to be so grateful for.
And I wish you and your family the very best.
We'll see you back year next Monday.
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coming up at the bottom of the half hour. Also
your calls coming up straight ahead. So we've learned a lot,
an awful lot, that so many Republican Senators, mostly conservative,
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mostly MAGA, and Congressman again mostly MAGA, mostly conservative, have
in fact been targeted in ways that nobody knew about,
and that includes conservative organizations like Turning Point USA. These
attacks against conservatives is so beyond the pale. I mean,
they knew that they went to phone companies, they got
(00:45):
their phone records, they got their locations where phone calls
were made, they knew who they called when they called,
where the location of the call, the person they were
calling was, and anyway, it just it just never ceases
to amaze me. All right, joining us now, Congressman, former
congress and Louis Gohmert, first District of Texas. Man, I
(01:08):
have missed you. How are you doing.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm doing well. Thank you. Sean, it's great talking to you,
and I really appreciate the emphasis you put on this,
and because you get it. If they had been successful
in keeping this covered up, then there would be and
if Trump had not won the election, we'd be over
(01:31):
I mean, this would have been one party country. And
you had Jonathan Turnley on the other night and he
pointed out, look, you know these are people that are oversighted.
But it's even more than that, Charn. I know, Jim
and I talked about this back around the time that
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they were getting our records. We both had and our
Judiciary Committee had people calling up us that were part
of the FBI, part of the DOJ, saying you know, look,
we know of law breaking going on within the FBI,
within the dj We had whistleblowers contacting us. That's why
(02:14):
there's a congressional privilege that prevents the DOJ from just
coming in and grabbing our material like they did here.
That makes it so dangerous.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, it really does. How did you find out about this? Now,
by the way, for those that don't know you were
a former judge, how many years did you spend in Congress?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Eighteen years in Congress. I was on the bench for
a decade and the last part of that short time
as a Chief Justice of the Court of Appeals. But
I found out when Grassley's lead investigators contacted me and said, look,
we just found out you were part of this. And
(02:55):
I know Jim mentioned that he had the House Judiciary
Committee do some digging and found out there was a
non disclosure order issued by the Judge Bosberg. But I
learned that from the Senate Judiciary Committee. Their investigators told me, look,
they got these indios, the non disclosure orders. That means
(03:17):
shan that somebody had to swear that all of us
listed were threats to flee the country, that we were
threats to destroy everything, as if we were Hillary Clinton,
then we had to bleach bit and all that.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh. They also they also said you would intimidate witnesses.
You're a former judge. You're not intimidating witnesses.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You're not going to race off to Grenada and hide
in or hide in the Caribbean somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's try. I've only got one home. So but that's
what they did, and they had to have somebody swear
that that was a risk, and that is so egregious.
Now having done it as a subpoena instead of a warrant,
they didn't have to prove any probable cause. They just
got the grand jury to issue the subpoena. But then
(04:09):
to get that nondisclosure order, they had to get a
judge to find these things based on somebody swearing to
these things, and that's really egregious. And I just all
the way through finding out these things, I just keep saying,
thank you God, and thank you Donald Trump, because if
he hadn't won, that would we'd have a one party
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country and there would be nobody safe. And I go
back a few years when people were saying, you know,
we just need a candidate without all Trump's baggage, and
I would say, do you not get it? This DOJ
is going to give baggage to whomever the Republican candidate is.
(04:56):
And we happen to have the only guy I know
of in the country week that could withstand the onslaught
of the legal waterfare, the financial warfare. I mean, they're
going after his friends, his family is in getting him
deep banked. Holy cow. So thank God for Trump, and
(05:17):
he stayed through and he got elected, and now we're
able to find out all these things. And by the way,
there's a lot we don't know, an awful lot we
don't know. So, having consulted with Tom Fitten and one
of their attorneys, Sean Dunaghan, Judicial Watch is going to
be digging more from me and my former chief of staff.
(05:40):
We're going to get to the bottom of just how
much information they got. And I do appreciate, you know,
AT and T being hesitant to turn anything over. Where
Verizon just said, yeah, sure you want to hear's everything
that wasn't very helpful.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, my understanding is is that I guess you had
her Verizon. Did you know I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Did have a Verzon And by the way, you know
you don't forget anything. You remember William Jefferson and the
ninety thousand dollars gold hard cash in his freezer. I
know because you talked about it back in five and six.
They had everything they needed to get a search warrant,
probably cause for his home. But then they did it.
(06:27):
Muller did a got a warrant and searched his office
and all hell broke loose. And I was asked by Haster,
because of my background, just sit in on the meeting.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So there was a.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Lawyers from the White House, the DOJ, the House Council,
and historically, as it was brought out in that meeting,
anytime there was a warrant that was going to be
run on a congressman's office, his files, documents, computers, anything
like that, you take the warrant to the House Council.
(06:58):
It's not because with members above the law or anything
like that. Is because this privileged material in there from whistleblowers,
from constituents, things like that that the DOJ has no
right to get, and so you bring it to the
House Council. They gather everything from the office and then
they start going through and they provide to the DOJ
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the things that the warrant requires. But the DOJ went
to a judge there and I don't remember who it was,
and said, we don't need to go to House Council.
We're going to set up within the DOJ somebody to
do all the screening and will decide what the congressman
can have Back. Well, Jefferson was guilty of sin and
(07:43):
that wasn't the issue. The issue was you don't raid
that there's a separation of powers. The oversight authority is
totally pointed out and that was a message from Muller
back then as director of the FBI were we were
upset at him, and it was a message to Congress,
(08:04):
you better lay off or we're coming after you. And
he made some comment maybe and they to set up
four hundred agents, you know, looking into Congress. Now, I
mean it was an in your face to Congress. And
this is this is much much, much worse than the
Watergate ever was.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Let me ask you this, because we do have a constitution,
we do have a Bill of rights, We do have
a fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure. If this
doesn't rise to that level, I don't know what does.
Do you agree with that legal analysis? And then the
next question I have is is there any remedy for you?
(08:43):
Is there a possibility that you can sue for an
invasion of privacy like this? And you know what would
the remedy be.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, you're exactly right in your analysis legal analysis. You
point out too often you're not a lawyer, But boy,
do you have good legal analysis. Yes, you're dead on,
and yes there is potential remedy if we found that,
and we will find they vastly exceeded the scope of
(09:14):
what they're allowed to do, and so there is a
potential suit for damages. But I just want to get
to the bottom of what who would be.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The likely person to suit? I mean, I would want
to hold the people that ordered this accountable, but maybe
these companies, you know, they have a responsibility to respect
the privacy of their clients as well, and unless they
show real probable cause, I mean, you know, the rationale
(09:44):
that some judges is going to claim the likes of
you and Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and Jim Jordan
and I can run through the whole list, and Kevin
McCarthy are a flight risk is insane. The idea, idea
that you would be out there intimidating witnesses. I don't
even know if you would. I would don't know what
(10:06):
witness to intimidate because you don't know what the hell
they're looking for anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Exactly exactly. So yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What what what is the underlying crime? You're you're a judge,
Tell me where is the crime here? Where is the
predicate to to invade like this?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well, there is no predicate, There is no basis to
invade like this, and we are protected and so but
they just flew by all the protections and did so
under color of law. So that's that's what they did.
And it was under color of law. So uh, it
(10:45):
would be a civil rights lawsuit. But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But there, let me ask you this question because it's
been a while since we spoke. Uh when did you
What years were you in Congress? When did you retire?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Was went was horn in first January of five and
left Congress in January of twenty three. Okay, do you
miss it sometimes when when I want to get after
the people that are destroying my country? Yes, absolutely, But
(11:21):
and I missed talking to you as much as we
used to, you know, I do miss it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh for me, this is like, you know, Reunion Day,
catching up with my old buddy Louis gomert I. I
remember doing events with you down in your district and
having a great time in Texas. But so what are
you what are you doing now? And why did you
get out? And what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, I'm senior fellow with the David Horwitz Freedom Center.
We lost David and he'd been a friend for so
many years, you know, a former communist and and and
by the way, you know, Whittaker Chambers had written he
was a communist, and he realized, you know, gee, I
(12:06):
noticed in this communist system, when people change leadership, they
just get rid of they disappear people that disagree with them.
This isn't a good system. And that's what we would
have had right here, Sean. If they had been able
to get rid of all these Republican leaders, we would
(12:26):
have had a one party system. It would have been
Marxists and there would have been nobody safe in the country.
But I was concerned. As great as the lawsuits have
been filed by our attorney general, he was not going
after the really widespread election fraud around the Dallas area
(12:47):
and our big cities. And to me, the twenty twenty
four election was the be all end all. If Trump
didn't win, we were just toast. And so I made
a run. I got into late, but so anyway, but
so it wasn't just well, I'm going to sit back
(13:08):
and retire. I would still want to try to do
what I could to save the country. And and President
Trump had told me a couple of times last year,
I need to take it with me to Washington. But
somebody up there is deciding they're not sure they me.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But anyway, well, Loois, let's be honest. I've known you along.
You can be a little bit of a handful. I
mean it's not like you're a quiet wallflower. I mean
I mean that in the most complimentary way. I mean,
I don't think I'm any different than you are.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, I know, I know you know, both of us
can be a little senacious and and I think that's
what you need in some areas up there. So anyway,
you're exactly right. But well, anyway, we're but being a
senior fellow with Horwitz Foundation, Ohen and you'll love this,
Daniel Greenfield says, you know, Louis, you've been talking about
(14:03):
the need to expose these judges and go after them
and try to hold them accountable. So they're starting the
Judicial Accountability Project. But we're going to do dossier's or
on the judges that are not conforming with the laws
(14:24):
and propriety, and then hopefully we'll get the House Judiciary
Committee to call them in, hold them accountable and im
beat them.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We got we got a whole list of stuff to do.
I'm just up on the clock, but we got to
have you back more often. I miss talking to you,
my friend. Have a great Thanksgiving with you and your
beautiful family, and we wish you the best. Louis Gomeert,
thank you, sir. All Right, So President was hilarious today
pardoning the turkey and some other fun moments that he had.
(14:53):
I think it's worth playing. As you know, we now
get ready to take our little holiday break here for Thanksgiving.
We have so much to be thankful for, but this
was very entertaining during parts of today. Let me play
it for you.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Thank you very much, and.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I hope you like our new beautiful patio with matching
stone to the White House. If this were Grests today,
you'd be sinking into the mud like they've done for
many years, and you would be very unhappy.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Please, thank you very much. This was a big day.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
It's a parton day for a very important beast on
behalf of the First Lady and the entire Trump family.
I want to wish all Americans a very very happy Thanksgiving.
It's a great time of the year and our country
is doing really well economically like we've never done before.
Today we continue a time honored American tradition. Boy, that's
(15:48):
a well trained turkey. See how happy he is. In
a few moments, I will grant a full, absolute and
unconditional presidential pardon to too handsome Thanksgiving turkeys.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And this is their lucky day. This is a lucky
day for them.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But before going any further, I want to make an
important announcement, because you remember last year, after a thorough
and very rigorous investigation by Pam Bondi and all of
the people at Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA,
the White House Counsel's Office, and the Department of Everything.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
We have a Department of Everything, you know that is
I think that's called the White House.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Into a terrible situation caused by a man named Sleepy
Joe Biden. He used an auto pen last year for
the turkey's pardon. So I have the official duty to determine,
and I have determined that last year's turkey partons are
totally invalid, as are the partons of about every other
(16:55):
person that was pardoned other than Where's hunt.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
No Hunters was good.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
That was the one part in Pam that was good, right,
The rest of them are all invalid. I don't know
what the hell you're going to do about that, but
that's now We're going to take a little of the joke,
and that is a mess. But they're hereby Nol and Voyd.
The turkeys known as peachin Blossom last year have been
located and they were on their way to be processed,
in other words, to be killed. But I have stopped
(17:25):
that journey and I am officially pardoning them and they
will not be served for Thanksgiving dinner. We saved them
in the nick of time. This one has plenty of time,
but they were saved in the nick of time.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
We're thrilled to.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Be joined today by Vice President j d Vance, Second
Lady Ushavance, their daughter Mirabelle, and along with Attorney General
Pam Bondi, Secretary's Marco Rubio, Scott Bessett, Pete hag Seth,
Brooke Rollins, Howard Lutnick, Linda McMahon, Scott Turner, Administrator Lee's Elden,
(18:01):
who's done a great job. A nuclear power plant gets
approved in less than a week. Okay, I'm only kidding,
but pretty close to that.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And we have more. Where is Lee? Stand up?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
One of my great superstars. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Used to take twenty years before you got rejected when
you put in an application. Now we're doing them in
a matter of weeks, right, and that's why we have
the biggest plants anywhere in the world. We're leading in AI,
we're leading in everything. Our auto plants are pouring back
into our country. Where do you see the jobs coming
with them? But there many of them are under construction.
But Lee's done a great job in getting those approvals.
(18:42):
I appreciate it very much. FBI Director of Cash Patel,
who's been very busy doing a great job. Also, thank you, Cash,
along with members of you get a following Cash along
with members of Congress, And in particular, I want to
mention Jason Smith and David Rosier. Where are those two guys?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Come on? Stand up fellows, what good people.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Jason knows more about the tax code than any living
human being knows so much, we don't even want to
hear about it, right, too complicated. We're going to make
it a simpler code. But we did in the great, big,
beautiful bill. It was just passed. Your imprints all over
that and it's amazing. The biggest tax cuts in the
history of our country for middle income people. The biggest
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tax cuts in the history of our country for middle
income people, and the biggest jobs bill ever passed, and
nobody thought we could get that one done on bland.
We actually put four years actually probably eight or ten years,
but we put four years worth of material into one great,
big beautiful bill. So that worked out very well. And
(19:52):
I want to thank everybody for working on a JD.
That was a great That was a great well. You know,
we were going to do it in small bills. We're
gonna have eighteen bills. I do it along the process.
I'm glad Scott that we got it done because dealing
with these Democrats, I don't think I think that's our
one shot. But we have it all in one great,
big beautiful bill. Thanks as well to the chairman of
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the National Turkey Federation and the CEO, A Butterball.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's a big deal. Jay Jan drenn Wor's day.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Thank you, stand up, Jay, thank you very much, along
with his wife, Leslie and their three children, as well
as the farmer who raised these two magnificent birds, Travis
Pittman and Wayne County, North Carolina. I won Wayne County
by a lot. That means you had a voute for Trump.
I think I won by ninety two percent. I like
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Wayne County. They're doing all right right, and this is
like a record setting turkey that's going to be saved.
The turkey's being pardoned today go by the names of
Gobble and Waddle. When I first saw their pictures, I
thought we should send them.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Well, I shouldn't say this.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I was gonna call him Chuck a Nancy. But then
I realized I wouldn't be pardoning them. I would never
pardon those two people. I wouldn't pardon them. I wouldn't
care what Malania told me, Darling, I think it would
be a nice thing to do.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I won't do it, Darling.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
These are two of the largest turkeys ever presented to
an American president, over fifty pounds each, since the largest
we've ever had. And those are big turkeys. Are they
as good as the normal size turkey?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Better? Or as good? Do they tend to be a
little fatty? Maybe? Now? He said no, he knows the
turkey business anyway.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Despite their size, Secretary Kennedy has formally certified that these
are the first ever Maha turkeys. I don't know if
I agree with that these are Maha. In other words,
they could be fat, but they're still Maha. They've been
fattened on a steady diet of grass beef to allow
the smoothies and all of the other things that they've
(21:59):
been eating for this occasion. This was a really big occasion,
but they've eaten every fattening food that you can eat.
We work like we wanted to really make them special,
and they really are. They're like record setting. I've never
seen a turkey that big before.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Are they violent at all?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Will they attack as I walk over, because if they were,
I'll say right up here. But as you know, we're
tough on crime administration, we are tough on crime. You know,
our border had zero people coming in for the last
seven months, right, zero.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I mean even I find that hard to believe to be.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
They had millions and millions of people pour into our
border from prisons, from mental institutions, gang members, drug dealers.
They poured in to our country like we were stupid people.
Not stupid people anymore. But nobody's ever seen anything the
job that they've done on the Tom Holman, Christinom, the
(22:56):
whole group, the job they've done on the boat is
almost like a miracle. And the people that make these
statistics that said zero, they've said zero for the last
seven months.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It has to be like a few people got in,
but they say zero and their radical left Democrats to
do the scoring, so I can't imagine they.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Did that for us. The truth is, we have no people.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Coming into our country illegally. It's an amazing it's an
amazing statistic, and I'm very proud of it. And we
have the most people working in the United States today
by far, that we ever had in the history of
our country.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
So those are all good numbers.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But instead of part in, some of my more enthusiastic
staffers were already drafting the paperwork to ship Gobble and
Waddle straight to the terrorist confinement center in El Salvador.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
And even those.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Birds don't want to be there, you know what I mean.
It was a tough I'd like to thank the president
of that country. They they do a rather efficient It's
going to be the largest prison in history. I've never
seen anything like it, and a lot of people are behaving.
On a more serious note as we gather around the
dinner table, I'd like to lose a few pounds too,
(24:11):
by the way, and I'm not going to lose it
on Thanksgiving. I can tell you that because I'm going
to have a turkey, but it's not going to be
that one. I hope all Americans will have the chance
to enjoy the fellowship of family and friends and renew
our faith in God's providence.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
One year ago, we were a dead country. One year ago.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
The King of Saudi Arabia said it to me. He
said it to me actually four months ago, when I
was in Saudi Arabia qatar Uee. He said, you know,
one year ago the United States was a dead country,
and now you've got the hottest country anywhere in the
world to do.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
We're the hottest country.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We have eighteen trillion dollars being invested as of now
that we're not even close to being one year. The
most ever was two trillion for a certain country I
won't name when during the last administration, in four years,
they had less than a trillion dollars being invested in
the country. In nine months, we have over eighteen trillion dollars.
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It's a number that nobody has ever even thought possible.
And that's in building plants and building so many things.
Investments in our country. Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
But we have more people working we have more people praying.
The churches are coming back. I don't know if you've
(25:37):
been reading that story, but religion is coming back to America.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Some people say, oh, why would you mention that? To me?
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
And this Thanksgiving, we're also making incredible strides to make
America affordable again. Walmart announced that the cost of their
standard Thanksgiving meal is twenty five percent lower than just
one year ago.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
According to the USDA, the price of Thanksgiving turkey is
down thirty three percent from its Biden highs. Potatoes are
down thirteen percent, hamm is down fifteen percent compared to
last Thanksgiving. So we are down to a level that
we haven't seen in a long time. Egg prices are
down eighty six percent since March, and gasoline will soon
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be hovering around two dollars a gallon. Under our leadership,
we passed the largest tax cuts in history, the largest
spending cuts in history, the largest regulation cuts in history,
and we have fully.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Secured our southern border.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I've also ended eight wars in nine months, and we're
working on that final war.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
It's not easy, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think we're gonna get there twenty five thousand soldiers
Ukraine Russia. In the last month, twenty five thousand soldiers
have died. So I think we're getting very close to
a deal. We'll find out. I thought that one would
have been god.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Quicker we did eight.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I thought that would have been an easier one. But
I think we're making progress in less than one year.
We've accomplished more than most other administrations have accomplished in
eight years. And this is a very special thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
We thank God.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
For his many blessings and the great success that this
country has seen in the short period of time. We
draw strength from the love of family and friends, and
we express our undying gratitude for the men and the
women of the United States Armed Forces.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
We love them.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
We pray that peace and prosperity will continue to bless
our land, and together we'll really just keep this great
drive going to make America great again.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Maga.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I think it's the greatest expression in the history of politics,
make America great again. So once again, Malania, thank you
for doing such a great job and being such a
great first lady. And now let's go and give gobble
waddle wattles. By the way, is missing action. But that's okay,
what pretend waddle is here the gift that they've been
(28:04):
waiting for. And I'll move over and I will just
say very nicely, Gobble your pardon.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Come on, let's say it in front of Gobble. Thank
you very much, everybody, And.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
That's going to wrap things up for today. Look, we're
out for the week and we will be back on Monday.
Will also be in DC next week. I'll let you
know more about that coming up. I want to wish
you and your family members the greatest Thanksgiving. We have
so much to be grateful for. We have an almighty
God that has blessed us with the greatest best single
(28:39):
country God gave men. And you know what, we often
take our blessings for granted, including our relatives, all of them.
Linda's too included in all seriousness, have a wonderful Thanksgiving
and we all have a lot to be so grateful for.
And I wish you and your family the very best.
We'll see you back year next Monday.
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.