June 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe talks about the Orlando Magic trading away a plethora of first round draft picks to acquire Desmond Bane from the Grizzlies and why that will probably come back to haunt them, the gambles made by the Vikings this season and why it makes them an intriguing watch, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Oh, what is going on? Happy early Tuesday morning to you, huh,
as we roll in for another hour here of Fox
Sports Radio Action. Okay, so the big news in the
NBA is that the thunderbeat the Pacers in Game five.
But I chewed on that pretty good in the first hour.
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Chewed on that tasted pretty good. I believe maybe you
spat it out. I'm not sure. Maybe you didn't appreciate
that taste. I thought it tastes pretty good in the
first hour. But I want to shift gears to something else.
I'll go back to the finals a little bit later
in the show. But something else in the NBA caught
my attention, and it's connected to the NBA Finals in
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a weird way. So this Desmond Baine trade, Desmond Baine
gets traded from the Grizzlies to the Orlando Magic. And
the Magic they gave up Contavious Caldwell, Pope Cole Anthony,
and they gave up four unprotected first round picks and
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one first round pick swap. That's the deal right there. Now,
Desmond Bain is good. He's a good player. He's a
three and D guy, very good three point shooter, but
he isn't a rock star. He's not even an All Star.
So this is quite a haul for a dude that's
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not even an All star, really good three point shooter,
but man, we're talking four unprotected picks, a pick swap
a couple of dudes that can play KCP Cole Anthony.
I think that's a lot to give. It's a ton.
Some people have pointed out, like that's more than the
Lakers gave up for Luca, and you could dispute that.
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You could say, Anthony Davis still plays at a very
high level, still have some good years left. Who knows
what the picks are going to turn into. So it's
at least I'll say a possibility that Memphis got more
for Desmond Bane.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Than the.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
MAVs got for Luca. That's insane. That's insanity right there.
But it's not really a Luca thing. I just look
at the compensation here and I would connect it to
the NBA Finals. It's still it blows my mind that
these teams in the NBA are so willing to give
up so much draft compensation. Now, I realize, I want
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you to understand. I realize it does not work the
same way as the NFL draft. Totally understood. I'm not
making it out to be the same exact thing. We know.
The NFL draft is much deeper in talent. You can
find talent and difference makers role players late in the
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NFL draft. It happens commonly. You know, if you just
look at the first two rounds of the NFL versus
NBA draft, much more talent pans out, let's say, in
the second round in the NFL draft than it does
in the second round of the NBA draft. Totally understand that.
So there is going to be a difference. But with
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that being said, how huge the difference is where the
NFL these teams completely value draft picks. There are times
where it's like, yeah, Randy Moss just got traded. Oh
yeah for Randy Moss. What do you get traded for
a fourth round pick? A fourth round pick? What? There
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are deals like that all the time, proven veteran like
what they get from I got like a third rounder
and they got some big league jew. It's football is
a big big league jew. Yeah, that's just all they
could get value in those draft picks. That's the way
it goes in the NFL NBA. These teams are just
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like first round picks. They're like making it rain with
first round picks. They're just like, yeah, go for it. Yeah,
I had no problem. Four unprotected first round picks and
a first round pick swap for Desmond Bane. Wow, that
is a heavy price tag. And the other thing that
blows my mind before we get to the NBA Finals comparison,
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is that these are future picks. Who knows what's going
to happen with these teams that make these trades down
the road. For instance, look at look at the Brooklyn
Nets making the deal for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant goes
to the Phoenix Suns and Brooklyn gets a bunch of
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picks in return. Now look at the Suns. Now, what
are they gonna do. They're gonna move kd again, And
what's gonna happen with the Suns? Gonna lose a lot
more games? They were winning many games with Katie. Imagine
if they moved Booker and completely reset and totally bottom
out all of a sudden. These draft picks are premium picks.
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That's what's crazy to me. It's like, yeah, take our
twenty forty seven first round pick. What a we care.
It's like, well, if that turns into a top five pick,
you should care. That's what happened with the Nets in reverse. Remember,
the Nets made the deal to trade for a couple
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of Celtics at the time, Paul Pierce and Kevin Durant
famous trade. They traded first round picks, some pick swaps,
and shockingly, old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Garnett played
like old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Gardnet. They didn't
win many games, and all of a sudden those picks
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became really valuable. Nets aren't winning many games. James turned
into a third overall pick, which was used for Jalen Brown,
and it turned into a first overall pick, and the
Celtics traded down to number three and still drafted Jason Tatum.
Those picks turned into Tatum and Brown, and the Nets
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are like, yeah, let's get Paul Pearson KG. Let's go.
They're like, here's the first rounder, here's another first rounder,
here's a pickswap. Yeah sounds great. The Celtics are like, okay, cool,
we'll reset our whole franchise. With this trade, and so
that's what I think at least has the possibility of happening.
Another good example would be present day. Look at the
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Milwaukee Bucks trading for Damian Lillard. Think about Portland, who
made that deal. I didn't want to let Dame go,
but they had to. Dame was ready to compete for
a championship. The Blazers were resetting. They were going to
be nowhere close to competing for a championship. Now look
where things are. Dame got hurt, jacked up his achilles.
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Now we don't know if Jannis is gonna be back.
What if Jannis is gone? Look at that roster, even
with Giannis on it, they're basically the Westbrook Thunder right now.
If Jannis is back this year, surrounded by a below
average supporting cast at best, Giannie is gonna go freaking
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ballistic and the Bucks are gonna lose a good amount
of games. It's just a matter of time until the
Bucks deal Yannis. They should do it this offseason. Maybe
they dragged their feet and they do it next off season.
Whenever it happens, the Bucks are resetting. So the point is,
if the Bucks have no Yannis and now they're really
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bottoming out and they're really trying to reset. Hey, let's
try to let's try to recoup some of these draft picks.
Let's just move all of our other assets and reset
comple letely. Well, all of a sudden, if they bought
them out, those picks sent to Portland, those become premium picks.
So it's just blows my mind that team after team
after team is still willing to make these deals. I
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get it, if you get a true superstar, the top
ten player, fine, Desmond Baine is not close to a
top ten player, and you're giving away these draft picks
like no big deal. And this is where I would
bring it back to the NBA finals, because we tend
to act that only lottery picks pan out in the NBA,
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and it's just not true. If you look at these finals,
it's a good example of some quote unquote non premium
picks paying big dividends just for the now. Some of
these players were traded to the Pacers, traded to the
thunder SGA best example, shake Guild just Alexander, Say, shake
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guild just Alexander? The league MVP rated by the Clippers
two okase, but he was an eleventh overall pick. You know,
outside the top ten, still a lottery pick, but outside
the top ten. You look at some of these other
guys that Jalen Williams just went for forty points in
Game five. He's a twelfth overall draft pick. Bottom of
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the lottery right there, twelfth overall. You think the twelfth
overall pick. Whoever has the twelfth overall pick and this
year's draft is like, oh baby, let's go. This is
a premium pick. They're like, man, this sucks. We have
the twelfth overall pick. Too bad we didn't luck out
and get higher in the lottery with the you know,
with that thing going on, you can find quality in
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this area, and we act like you can if you
look at some other guys. Lou Dort, great defensive player,
the Dorcher Chamber. Alex Caruso has made his impact felt
in the in this final series. Both lou Dort and
Alex Caruso are undrafted guys. They weren't even drafted, and
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teams are thrown away draft picks like it doesn't matter.
It's just like this is like a rest stop toilet
paper or something like, oh gosh, that's the worst. No, man,
some of these these picks like these non premium picks
can turn into premium players. Pascal Siakam twenty seventh overall pick,
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He's made a big impact in the finals, in the
playoffs as a whole. So I just I don't understand
why these teams do it time and time and time again.
The Rudy go Beart trade. You look at some of
these trades, like they sent a bunch of players, four
first round picks for Rudy Gobert. They sent Malik Beasley,
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Patrick Beverly, Jared Vanderbilt, the rights to Walker Kessler to
the Jazz Walker Kessler is he can play? And all
these first round Hey, listen, I'll meet you halfway. Maybe
a team like the Timberwolves. They look like they're gonna
be good for years to come. Maybe the twenty twenty
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seven first round pick doesn't turn out to be a
premium pick. Maybe the top five protected twenty twenty nine
pick doesn't turn out to be an awesome pick. Right,
I'll meet you halfway. But what if it does? It
has with other teams and other instances, And I look
at Orlando and it's like, yeah, Desmond Bane makes you better,
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but is he worth that price tag? Man, it's a
heavy price tag. It's like if if I went out
and I bought I always use my car as an example.
I have a Nissan Altima, love my Nissan Ultima. If
I went out and bought a new Nissan Ultima for
seventy five thousand dollars, what would you guys say to me?
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You'd be like, what are you doing? Why would you do?
It's too much. They're not saying the car sucks. They're
not saying, oh, why would you be caught dead in
a Nissan Ultimate. They're just saying it's not worth that much,
which is accurate. That's how I feel about the Desmond
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Baiden trade. I'm not telling you Desmond Bain can't play.
He can play. He's a very good three point shooter.
I thought he gave the Grizzly some juice. He might
do the same for Orlando. But the price tag is like, whoa, Really,
that's a pretty heavy price tag for a non all star.
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That's like mckel Bridges. That's what the Knicks when they
dealt for mickel Bridges, they dealt players and five future
first round picks, including four unprotected. There's a pick swap
in there. There's a future second round pick swap in there.
Like again, mckel Bridges can play. It's a good player,
but man, that's a lot. And I think there are
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two ways to look at the Thunder and the Pacers,
which in my mind ties into this Desmond Bane trade.
We're just looking at trades in general. You could look
at the Pacers and the Thunder and say, well, hey,
the Thunder they traded for Shay Gilgess, Alexander, they traded
for Alex Caruso, they traded for Isaiah Hartenstein, so they've
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they've made trades that have involved draft picks. But I
would counter that with, well, yeah, but the Thunder we're
trading for sa Gilgis, Alexander and a bunch of draft picks.
They're the ones getting the draft picks, not giving the
draft picks. There's a huge difference right there. That was
the Paul George deal. Okay, see you got like five
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first rounders and Shay. That's insanity, right, So it's not
just that you traded for a guy. It might be
that you got a bunch of picks along with that guy,
just like Okase did. If you look at the Pacers, yeah,
they've made a couple of trades with impact players Tyres Alliburton,
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Pascal Siakam, TJ McConnell. They've traded for these guys. They
traded for Obie toppin right, So these guys get minutes,
they make a big IMPACT's a big reason why this
team is in the NBA Finals. So you could look
at it from that perspective, but I look at it
as man. When you just start looking at this, Tyres
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Aaliburton twelfth overall pick, Andrew Nemhard gets minutes for the
Pacers thirty first overall pick. He's a second rounder again.
Siakam twenty seventh overall pick. These guys make an impact,
and you're just giving draft picks away like they don't
matter at all. Granted, it's hard to find an impact
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payer player with the twenty seventh overall pick. It's not easy,
but it can happen. And I don't know why teams
give away these picks is if it never happens. It's
just odd to me. I think the price tag is
too high in a lot of these moves that aren't
even involving all stars. Heck, it's one thing, if you
get a stud, you get a star player. You don't
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even have an All Star and you're moving all of that. Okay,
all right, and you can chalk it up to these
are gonna be low first round picks. Well, guess what.
Sometimes low first round picks turn into players that get
minutes start like make impacts. So I just think the
price tag a little bit too heavy. That's my two cents.
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dot com, you know, Lorraina. I don't know why it
reminds me. I just I got to link up with Coop.
He was out here in Vegas for the weekend playing
in poker tournaments, and so we got to hang out
one night, and you know what he was wearing. I'm
so jealous.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You guys got to hang out together and.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
He was probably wearing his poker T shirt that has
the cards.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, that would be a better choice than what he rocked?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Did he wear?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Who went with his tool T shirt? I was just like,
ok Immediately, I'm like, okay, all right. He played it off.
He's like, I didn't even know. I didn't even know
it's it just happened. I'm like, yeah, right, you woke up,
you ironed it. You're like, yeah, this is for no,
this is happening today.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You knew it was him too, didn't even iron it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No, But it's good to see Coop. He's gonna be
back out here pretty soon more poker poker tournaments, that's right. Yeah,
he's tell me about Omaha. You know, are you a
card player at all? Lorena?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
If I ever do gamble in Vegas, I usually play Craps.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I do too. That's my casino game of choice.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I like that one.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Love playing craps. Although I do hate Lorena in gambling.
I don't think I hate anything more than this is
when it's craps and on the first roll and you're
on the past line, Oh my gosh, I hate that.
But the game overall is tremendous. Love the game overall. Yeah,
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but you tell me about Omaha. I think I would
like Omaha quite a bit. I don't know that I've
ever played it even. You know, like home games, you
get four cards in your hand instead of the two
cards that you would get in Texas hold them and
so it swings things a lot. You have to use
two of the four cards in your hand. I think
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I would like that game. I might.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
It's a lot of action at a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, you do that a lot, like the cash games
in Omaha coop. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Well, so I was gonna ask, like, well, the last
time that you went to a cash game or the
cash games that you've been to, is it always like
you know every single person there it's a group of friends,
or have you gone to like a cash game where
it's you know, a whole thing, like a you know,
weekly monthly thing where there's other players that you don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And well, I've like the cash games are typically friends
you get together. It's just all your friends you play cards.
But I've played a handful of times in casinos where
it's just you know, it's it's your standard cash game.
It's a it's hold him no limit or whatever. You
sit down at the whatever the blinds are at that
type of table, you know. So I've done that, but
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everybody thinks it's the World Series of Poker, and it's like, guys,
it's the one too no limit table, Like, let's tone
it down. But yeah, some people don't. They don't want
to relax, you know. Loreena Coop got me all fired up.
You know, He's like, yeah, I might play a cash
game tomorrow. I'm like, well, dude, hit me up, you know,
let me know. I might play along with you before
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hit Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Did he?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I texted him, I'm like, so, Coop, what's up man?
You playing? He's like nah, nah, I'm like all right,
wasn't excited? Get did you get any sleep whatsoever? In
anticipation waiting for cash games with Coop. Coop's just like God,
next time. Maybe next time?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
No, Coop, Look I had already lost plenty that weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, it's all good, you'll get it back.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I'm wondering why you were in a mood.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That Okay, I'm gonna get to the uh the team
that expects to win a Super Bowl within the next
three years momentarily, but first though, not the Cowboys. No,
it's not the Cowboys. But that's all I can give
you right now. Everything else sealed until we talk to
E Dog. Talk to Dog and will regroup and go
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back to the Super Bowl. E Dog. You're on Fox
Sports Radio. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Okay, I'm gonna you mentioned about MTV the videos.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, they have it on.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Channel Optimum, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So what cable package do you have because one eighty
six for you could be something totally different Optimum optimum Okay,
So they play videos and Optimum Yeah, videos, okay, very nicely.
I'll have to check that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Okay. Also, then Adam Chandler in the movie Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, why does he wear a Boston Bruins jersey?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Do you know why does he wear it?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah? I don't know. Why is he a Boston bruder fan.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, in the original one, Coop would probably know better
than me. But in the original one he was like
a failed hockey player like that was his dream was
to play in the lad That.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Was a great movie. Also, I got a question for
you guys. Okay, uh huh, I have I watched ten
of my hats today. I'm gonna put you and Lorraine
on the spot and ask you, guys, what what what
hats do I have that you guess?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Wow? Well, I gotta ask Coop. Where is he calling from? Coop?
Where is he dog from New York, New York? Okay,
your ten hats? All right, I'm only going to guess three. Well,
guess three. I'll go with.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
You.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Gotta have your standard Yankee hat in there?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Uh? One or two? Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I don't know. You have nine hundred? Yeah? You got
to Okay, Lorena, you're up next. This is the uh
the second hour. These stealing Marcel's thunder right here. This
is the the twist of the food picks. It's hat picks.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
I'm gonna say you have a fedora that means.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, Okay, I about a kangle hat? You have like
the Bruce Arians old school kangle hat. A Cagle's hat.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
No, I have sports teams.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
All sports teams. Okay, maybe maybe a little Denver Broncos
action for Coop out There No no Savannah bananas as.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Far as you get this one your favorite team?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
What the Dolphins? You're not rocking a Dolphins hat? Are you?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yes? I am.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Get out of here. Very nice e dog. You know
they're gonna win six or seven games this year. But
you got you got the clean hat going on, you know?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Okay? Awesome. I want to tell you this. I was
when I used to play basketball and far As Hill.
There was a guy named Julio. He jumped on the
other guy's back and mean, I said, Mike, and I said,
you might goes me and Julio. You know what I'm saying. Also,
I just want to share about this, I believe it
or not. I used to be a male dancer.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Okay, all right? Uh did you wear any of your
your hats? Are they from that era of your life?
Speaker 7 (23:43):
There?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You dog?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
No? But I did wear a LTTS Vegas sure. And
if you guess what song they played to the to
the for me dancing, you win a price.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh man, that's something I probably don't want to know.
That's something you you dance to. Voodoo from God Smack,
that's what you dance in a very sublective manner.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
How about Bad to the Bone, No on that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
No, we gotta let you go, you dog that. I
don't think we can top that going forward. Man, appreciate
your time here this morning. There is e dog bad
to the Bone double on Tandra.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Obviously, I was thinking maybe that I'm too sexy song,
I'm too sexy for my shirt.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think that I hear you, but you can't. I
know it's a male dance, but you can't even do
if you're trying to do like a sexy that, you
can't do it to that song, right, like the even
though the sexiest girl on earth couldn't do a sexy
dance to that song.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
No, it's the most unsexy song, right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, someone said that like Voodoo that popped in my head.
Voodoo from Godsmack was like a stripping anthem for a
little while, and I'm like, wow, really, no, kid, that
that certainly set like a mysterious mood if you will, right,
I can see that's.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
What's another listening to it now, I have to go
and look at it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You don't know. You don't know that song, right, No,
I do not. Oh yeah that's a great song. Coop.
You like that song? You fan of that?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, very good song. Well look at us common ground.
We've got rage and we've got voodoo from Godsmack and
a little bit of metal here and there.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, we have a lot more common ground, we do.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
We do?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You just you're just like diluted about tools.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So it's yeah, I know that's a sour of subject. Okay.
So uh, the team that expects to win a Super
Bowl within the next three years, that would be the
the Minnesota Vikings. That's right. The Minnesota Vikings think that
they are super Bowl bounding. So yeah, thank you, Lorraina.
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This is according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. He had this
report on SportsCenter and he said the following as was
told to me, The Vikings feel like JJ McCarthy in
day nine of these workouts was a lot stronger than
day one. Okay, coming off that knee issue. They knew
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he could start a little slowly. They like the way
he's throwing the ball. They feel very comfortable with where
he's at going into training camp. They didn't sign Rogers
and went with McCarthy because they believe in their three
year plan a young quarterback they like on a rookie
scale so they can be aggressive on the roster. They
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believe they can win a super Bowl in the next
three years. Woo baby, that is I get it. I
totally understand it. And time will tell maybe they'll be right.
It's a big time gamble. And I'm fascinated by the
Vikings this year because of the decision they made, in
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the decisions they could have made. They could have reupt
with Sam Donald right, could have kept him around. What
is that the Vikings fight song? Yes, it is wow man,
they got to revamp that thing. That's uh. That leaves
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a lot to be desired right there. But they could
have gone with Sam Donald. They could have stuck with him.
They could have gone with Aaron Rodgers and gone the
veteran route with a great supporting cast. They chose to
go with JJ McCarthy, who's a first year starter. And listen,
I I understand why they're doing this. They explained it
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right there. This rookie deal, you can splurge on the
rest of the roster and go for it. And if
you look at Rogers at this stage of his career.
I know you have to think, what could life be
like with that supporting cast and Rogers. That's an interesting thought.
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I'll tell you this with JJ McCarthy, though, I think
the roster, his supporting cast is the gift and the
curse because it's a great supporting cast. Make no mistake
about it. Sam Darnold played very well all things considered.
He fizzled out the last two games when it mattered most,
but he threw thirty five touchdown passes. That's a team
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that went fourteen and three with Sam Darnold as their quarterback.
That's a really, really good supporting cast. But by far,
and this is where the curse comes in. JJ McCarthy
is going to be facing so much pressure to hit
the ground running as a first year starter. Ask yourself this,
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Has any quarterback been expected to produce and to win
immediately as much as JJ McCarthy will be expected to
That's a legitimate question. Has anybody been expected to do
those things to the same degree that JJ McCarthy will.
I don't know that there has been. If you have
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a couple of names off the top of your head,
I'd love to hear it. And there have been some
players that are certainly scrutinized. Caleb Williams is a good example.
Bears quarterback last year, number one overall pick. He was
a very polarizing player in college. Everybody just had an
opinion on Caleb Williams. You know, it was a lot
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of it was critical. I'll look at him crying with
his mom in the stands, what's up with this guy?
And hey, he paints his fingernails. This guy. A lot
of people had some very critical things to say about
Caleb williy And then there were other people that pushed
back on the Caleb Williams critics. But it seemed like
everybody had an opinion on the guy. But he wasn't
expected to hit the ground running. The Bears weren't expected
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to win double digit games, be a playoff team, a
challenge for a Super Bowl within the first three years.
Those weren't expectations for Caleb Williams. A lot of it
was because the supporting cast not nearly as good. But
I'd love to hear a quarterback that you think had
higher expectations was expected to do more immediately. That's that's
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real pressure. And so while the supporting cast takes a
lot of pressure off of him because it's so good.
It's a lot to work with. You can throw to JJ,
you could throw to JJ Jefferson, you can hand the
ball off to Aaron Jones, like you've got a really
good supporting cast. But with that comes these raise the
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expectations as a first year starter. No one's facing even
close to that in the league this year. Think about
the number one overall pick, cam Ward, the expectations Justin Jefferson.
I said JJ Jefferson, No, JJ, Justin Jefferson. Maybe JJ
McCarthy was on my brain. But you could throw it
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to Justin Jefferson, you can hand it off Aaron Jones.
You got a good offensive line, you got TJ. Hockinson,
Jordan Addison, you got a lot around you. If you
look at cam Ward, cam Ward is the number one
overall pick. There are no expectations for this guy in
terms of you better win double digit games, you better
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produce at a high level. We're used to thirty five
touchdown passes. That's the benchmark. That's what Sam Darnold did
last season. So we're expecting in the neighborhood of somewhere
in that vicinity those expectations don't exist for the number
one overall pick. They exist for ja J McCarthy. That's
a lot to deal with. I'm fascinated by the Vikings,
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I really. I can see them having a good season.
I can see them really struggling because it's a lot
of it is about JJ McCarthy. How good is he
going to be as a first year starter with huge expectations.
It's one thing to just be a first year starter,
but to have these goliath expectations individually and team wise,
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he'd better be the real deal or it could go
south pretty quickly. I don't think I'm more fascinated by
a team in the NFL than the Minnesota Vikings, just
based on the boom or bust or somewhere in between,
you know, the potential that they have this year. They
really have boom or bust potential. But make no mistake,
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He's going to be under the microscope immediately, and no
other quarterback is going to be under the microscope to
even close to the same degree. I think that's what
makes it really interesting right there. All right, feel free
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Ben Malor. Can you picture this as like a stripping anthem? Lorena?
What do you think about?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
This?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Definitely sets a mood, does it not? Well, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I haven't heard this song in so long and now
I'm like imagining it. Yeah, a little dark, little sultry. Yeah,
it's got a nice little bump bump bomb, so like,
you know, you can move the assets with that.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, she could get like down into the ooh, yeah,
that's good.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
A lot of potential for the bum bum bum as
you say, a lot of potential right there. I yeah, hopefully. Uh.
I'm glad that e Doc didn't dance to this, you know,
so I don't have to have.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
That would give a different vision in our Yeah, I
don't want.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That vision going on. Do not want that going on?
Right there. I'm gonna get to some funny audio here
in just a couple of minutes. But leading up to
Game five of the NBA Finals on Monday night, it's
game OKC one. They have a three to two lead
on the Pacers. Leading up to that game, Pacers head
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coach Rick Carliile was oddly rushing to the defense of
official Scott Foster. So there are a lot of Pacer
fans that were incredibly upset about the officiating in Game four.
So this is not the game on Monday night. This
was the game before the game on Monday night, right,
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So you go back to Friday, and that was the
game where the Pacers had a ten point lead in
the fourth quarter and it slipped through their fingers. And
the biggest controversy from that game. SGA drove the ball
on Nie Smith, definitely pushed off and then traveled no
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call on either, and he hit a bucket. I believe
that was to take the lead, and that was getting
down there like SGA hit a three the possession before
and then he had the push off basket to give
the Okay, see lead, and they were only about two
minutes left. Some are close to the two minute mark
when SGA hit that go ahead push off bucket. And
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so you know how it goes with fans. Oh, we
got screwed the officials. They hosed us. But here's Rick
Carlyle before Game five talking about the officiating in Game
four and all the heat that was directed at Scott Foster.
Scott Foster is not exactly popular. He's got a reputation
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for a series that one team trails in all of
a sudden that team wins and either is even or
no longer trailing, right like, he has that type of reputation.
This is what Rick Carlyle said. He said, I think
it's awful with some of the things I've seen about
the officiating, with Scott Foster in particular. I've known Scott
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Foster for thirty years. He's a great official. He's done
a great job in these playoffs. We've had him a
lot of times. And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown
out there is terrible. It's unfair and unjust. It's like, wow,
whoa Okay, I just wasn't expecting that. Now you could
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think Rick Carlyle is going, you know, like Phil Jackson's
zen Master mode, and he's trying to you know, like
buddy buddy the officials, and that's his angle to try
to get the calls going forward. Maybe or maybe it's
just genuinely how he feels. It's just odd that he
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he was that strong with his defense of Scott Foster.
And I've said for a long time, listen, it's been
more unpopular because it's just trendy. You know how it's
trendy to boo Roger Goodell at the NFL Draft. You know,
the commissioner comes on stage to announce a pigs boom
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boo boo. You know, it should just be like sheep,
it should be going bah. It's more like that because
they're just following the trend. That's all it is. But
it's very trendy to just bash Scott Foster. He's the
worst freakin guy. Has he ever blown a call?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Has he ever missed something? Has he been a little
bit short with players?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, he has shortcomings, no doubt. I'm not telling you
he's perfect. I've argued for years he's not nearly as
bad as most NBA fans make him out to be.
Doesn't mean he's awesome, doesn't mean he's perfect. He's just better.
If you just went by what's commonly said about Scott Foster,
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you would think he is the worst of all time.
He's just not. Like. He's consistently grated as one of
the top NBA officials. That's why he keeps working these
finals games. He's worked twenty five Championship Series games. He
works a game at least every year, so he must
be doing something right. But with all that being said,
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it's kind of odd that Rick Carlisle was that strong
with his defense. Okay, the funny audio, we're up against it,
but this was Darius Slayton talking about Jamis Winston during
mini camp. Pretty funny. Check this out, Giants wide Receiver.
Good stuff. It's so hard to describe.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
It's just like how I'm talking right now. He'll be
talking just like this, and it's just the random thoughts
that come to his head and they just come out
and it's like we were talking about, you know, a slam.
How did we get to Kentucky Fried Chicken? Just hard
lefts Like I can't think of an exact example, but
like that's how Best Hockey described It's just like random
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hard left, but then he comes right back on topics.
It's like, am I tripreneur? Are you trippering?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I love that audio?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
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Oh, what is going on? Happy early Tuesday morning to you, huh,
as we roll in for another hour here of Fox
Sports Radio Action. Okay, so the big news in the
NBA is that the thunderbeat the Pacers in Game five.
But I chewed on that pretty good in the first hour.
(00:28):
Chewed on that tasted pretty good. I believe maybe you
spat it out. I'm not sure. Maybe you didn't appreciate
that taste. I thought it tastes pretty good in the
first hour. But I want to shift gears to something else.
I'll go back to the finals a little bit later
in the show. But something else in the NBA caught
my attention, and it's connected to the NBA Finals in
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a weird way. So this Desmond Baine trade, Desmond Baine
gets traded from the Grizzlies to the Orlando Magic. And
the Magic they gave up Contavious Caldwell, Pope Cole Anthony,
and they gave up four unprotected first round picks and
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one first round pick swap. That's the deal right there. Now,
Desmond Bain is good. He's a good player. He's a
three and D guy, very good three point shooter, but
he isn't a rock star. He's not even an All Star.
So this is quite a haul for a dude that's
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not even an All star, really good three point shooter,
but man, we're talking four unprotected picks, a pick swap
a couple of dudes that can play KCP Cole Anthony.
I think that's a lot to give. It's a ton.
Some people have pointed out, like that's more than the
Lakers gave up for Luca, and you could dispute that.
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You could say, Anthony Davis still plays at a very
high level, still have some good years left. Who knows
what the picks are going to turn into. So it's
at least I'll say a possibility that Memphis got more
for Desmond Bane.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Than the.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
MAVs got for Luca. That's insane. That's insanity right there.
But it's not really a Luca thing. I just look
at the compensation here and I would connect it to
the NBA Finals. It's still it blows my mind that
these teams in the NBA are so willing to give
up so much draft compensation. Now, I realize, I want
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you to understand. I realize it does not work the
same way as the NFL draft. Totally understood. I'm not
making it out to be the same exact thing. We know.
The NFL draft is much deeper in talent. You can
find talent and difference makers role players late in the
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NFL draft. It happens commonly. You know, if you just
look at the first two rounds of the NFL versus
NBA draft, much more talent pans out, let's say, in
the second round in the NFL draft than it does
in the second round of the NBA draft. Totally understand that.
So there is going to be a difference. But with
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that being said, how huge the difference is where the
NFL these teams completely value draft picks. There are times
where it's like, yeah, Randy Moss just got traded. Oh
yeah for Randy Moss. What do you get traded for
a fourth round pick? A fourth round pick? What? There
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are deals like that all the time, proven veteran like
what they get from I got like a third rounder
and they got some big league jew. It's football is
a big big league jew. Yeah, that's just all they
could get value in those draft picks. That's the way
it goes in the NFL NBA. These teams are just
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like first round picks. They're like making it rain with
first round picks. They're just like, yeah, go for it. Yeah,
I had no problem. Four unprotected first round picks and
a first round pick swap for Desmond Bane. Wow, that
is a heavy price tag. And the other thing that
blows my mind before we get to the NBA Finals comparison,
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is that these are future picks. Who knows what's going
to happen with these teams that make these trades down
the road. For instance, look at look at the Brooklyn
Nets making the deal for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant goes
to the Phoenix Suns and Brooklyn gets a bunch of
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picks in return. Now look at the Suns. Now, what
are they gonna do. They're gonna move kd again, And
what's gonna happen with the Suns? Gonna lose a lot
more games? They were winning many games with Katie. Imagine
if they moved Booker and completely reset and totally bottom
out all of a sudden. These draft picks are premium picks.
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That's what's crazy to me. It's like, yeah, take our
twenty forty seven first round pick. What a we care.
It's like, well, if that turns into a top five pick,
you should care. That's what happened with the Nets in reverse. Remember,
the Nets made the deal to trade for a couple
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of Celtics at the time, Paul Pierce and Kevin Durant
famous trade. They traded first round picks, some pick swaps,
and shockingly, old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Garnett played
like old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Gardnet. They didn't
win many games, and all of a sudden those picks
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became really valuable. Nets aren't winning many games. James turned
into a third overall pick, which was used for Jalen Brown,
and it turned into a first overall pick, and the
Celtics traded down to number three and still drafted Jason Tatum.
Those picks turned into Tatum and Brown, and the Nets
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are like, yeah, let's get Paul Pearson KG. Let's go.
They're like, here's the first rounder, here's another first rounder,
here's a pickswap. Yeah sounds great. The Celtics are like, okay, cool,
we'll reset our whole franchise. With this trade, and so
that's what I think at least has the possibility of happening.
Another good example would be present day. Look at the
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Milwaukee Bucks trading for Damian Lillard. Think about Portland, who
made that deal. I didn't want to let Dame go,
but they had to. Dame was ready to compete for
a championship. The Blazers were resetting. They were going to
be nowhere close to competing for a championship. Now look
where things are. Dame got hurt, jacked up his achilles.
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Now we don't know if Jannis is gonna be back.
What if Jannis is gone? Look at that roster, even
with Giannis on it, they're basically the Westbrook Thunder right now.
If Jannis is back this year, surrounded by a below
average supporting cast at best, Giannie is gonna go freaking
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ballistic and the Bucks are gonna lose a good amount
of games. It's just a matter of time until the
Bucks deal Yannis. They should do it this offseason. Maybe
they dragged their feet and they do it next off season.
Whenever it happens, the Bucks are resetting. So the point is,
if the Bucks have no Yannis and now they're really
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bottoming out and they're really trying to reset. Hey, let's
try to let's try to recoup some of these draft picks.
Let's just move all of our other assets and reset
comple letely. Well, all of a sudden, if they bought
them out, those picks sent to Portland, those become premium picks.
So it's just blows my mind that team after team
after team is still willing to make these deals. I
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get it, if you get a true superstar, the top
ten player, fine, Desmond Baine is not close to a
top ten player, and you're giving away these draft picks
like no big deal. And this is where I would
bring it back to the NBA finals, because we tend
to act that only lottery picks pan out in the NBA,
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and it's just not true. If you look at these finals,
it's a good example of some quote unquote non premium
picks paying big dividends just for the now. Some of
these players were traded to the Pacers, traded to the
thunder SGA best example, shake Guild just Alexander, Say, shake
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guild just Alexander? The league MVP rated by the Clippers
two okase, but he was an eleventh overall pick. You know,
outside the top ten, still a lottery pick, but outside
the top ten. You look at some of these other
guys that Jalen Williams just went for forty points in
Game five. He's a twelfth overall draft pick. Bottom of
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the lottery right there, twelfth overall. You think the twelfth
overall pick. Whoever has the twelfth overall pick and this
year's draft is like, oh baby, let's go. This is
a premium pick. They're like, man, this sucks. We have
the twelfth overall pick. Too bad we didn't luck out
and get higher in the lottery with the you know,
with that thing going on, you can find quality in
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this area, and we act like you can if you
look at some other guys. Lou Dort, great defensive player,
the Dorcher Chamber. Alex Caruso has made his impact felt
in the in this final series. Both lou Dort and
Alex Caruso are undrafted guys. They weren't even drafted, and
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teams are thrown away draft picks like it doesn't matter.
It's just like this is like a rest stop toilet
paper or something like, oh gosh, that's the worst. No, man,
some of these these picks like these non premium picks
can turn into premium players. Pascal Siakam twenty seventh overall pick,
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He's made a big impact in the finals, in the
playoffs as a whole. So I just I don't understand
why these teams do it time and time and time again.
The Rudy go Beart trade. You look at some of
these trades, like they sent a bunch of players, four
first round picks for Rudy Gobert. They sent Malik Beasley,
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Patrick Beverly, Jared Vanderbilt, the rights to Walker Kessler to
the Jazz Walker Kessler is he can play? And all
these first round Hey, listen, I'll meet you halfway. Maybe
a team like the Timberwolves. They look like they're gonna
be good for years to come. Maybe the twenty twenty
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seven first round pick doesn't turn out to be a
premium pick. Maybe the top five protected twenty twenty nine
pick doesn't turn out to be an awesome pick. Right,
I'll meet you halfway. But what if it does? It
has with other teams and other instances, And I look
at Orlando and it's like, yeah, Desmond Bane makes you better,
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but is he worth that price tag? Man, it's a
heavy price tag. It's like if if I went out
and I bought I always use my car as an example.
I have a Nissan Altima, love my Nissan Ultima. If
I went out and bought a new Nissan Ultima for
seventy five thousand dollars, what would you guys say to me?
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You'd be like, what are you doing? Why would you do?
It's too much. They're not saying the car sucks. They're
not saying, oh, why would you be caught dead in
a Nissan Ultimate. They're just saying it's not worth that much,
which is accurate. That's how I feel about the Desmond
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Baiden trade. I'm not telling you Desmond Bain can't play.
He can play. He's a very good three point shooter.
I thought he gave the Grizzly some juice. He might
do the same for Orlando. But the price tag is like, whoa, Really,
that's a pretty heavy price tag for a non all star.
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That's like mckel Bridges. That's what the Knicks when they
dealt for mickel Bridges, they dealt players and five future
first round picks, including four unprotected. There's a pick swap
in there. There's a future second round pick swap in there.
Like again, mckel Bridges can play. It's a good player,
but man, that's a lot. And I think there are
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two ways to look at the Thunder and the Pacers,
which in my mind ties into this Desmond Bane trade.
We're just looking at trades in general. You could look
at the Pacers and the Thunder and say, well, hey,
the Thunder they traded for Shay Gilgess, Alexander, they traded
for Alex Caruso, they traded for Isaiah Hartenstein, so they've
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they've made trades that have involved draft picks. But I
would counter that with, well, yeah, but the Thunder we're
trading for sa Gilgis, Alexander and a bunch of draft picks.
They're the ones getting the draft picks, not giving the
draft picks. There's a huge difference right there. That was
the Paul George deal. Okay, see you got like five
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first rounders and Shay. That's insanity, right, So it's not
just that you traded for a guy. It might be
that you got a bunch of picks along with that guy,
just like Okase did. If you look at the Pacers, yeah,
they've made a couple of trades with impact players Tyres Alliburton,
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Pascal Siakam, TJ McConnell. They've traded for these guys. They
traded for Obie toppin right, So these guys get minutes,
they make a big IMPACT's a big reason why this
team is in the NBA Finals. So you could look
at it from that perspective, but I look at it
as man. When you just start looking at this, Tyres
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Aaliburton twelfth overall pick, Andrew Nemhard gets minutes for the
Pacers thirty first overall pick. He's a second rounder again.
Siakam twenty seventh overall pick. These guys make an impact,
and you're just giving draft picks away like they don't
matter at all. Granted, it's hard to find an impact
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payer player with the twenty seventh overall pick. It's not easy,
but it can happen. And I don't know why teams
give away these picks is if it never happens. It's
just odd to me. I think the price tag is
too high in a lot of these moves that aren't
even involving all stars. Heck, it's one thing, if you
get a stud, you get a star player. You don't
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even have an All Star and you're moving all of that. Okay,
all right, and you can chalk it up to these
are gonna be low first round picks. Well, guess what.
Sometimes low first round picks turn into players that get
minutes start like make impacts. So I just think the
price tag a little bit too heavy. That's my two cents.
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dot com, you know, Lorraina. I don't know why it
reminds me. I just I got to link up with Coop.
He was out here in Vegas for the weekend playing
in poker tournaments, and so we got to hang out
one night, and you know what he was wearing. I'm
so jealous.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You guys got to hang out together and.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
He was probably wearing his poker T shirt that has
the cards.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, that would be a better choice than what he rocked?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Did he wear?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Who went with his tool T shirt? I was just like,
ok Immediately, I'm like, okay, all right. He played it off.
He's like, I didn't even know. I didn't even know
it's it just happened. I'm like, yeah, right, you woke up,
you ironed it. You're like, yeah, this is for no,
this is happening today.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You knew it was him too, didn't even iron it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No, But it's good to see Coop. He's gonna be
back out here pretty soon more poker poker tournaments, that's right. Yeah,
he's tell me about Omaha. You know, are you a
card player at all? Lorena?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
If I ever do gamble in Vegas, I usually play Craps.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I do too. That's my casino game of choice.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I like that one.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Love playing craps. Although I do hate Lorena in gambling.
I don't think I hate anything more than this is
when it's craps and on the first roll and you're
on the past line, Oh my gosh, I hate that.
But the game overall is tremendous. Love the game overall. Yeah,
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but you tell me about Omaha. I think I would
like Omaha quite a bit. I don't know that I've
ever played it even. You know, like home games, you
get four cards in your hand instead of the two
cards that you would get in Texas hold them and
so it swings things a lot. You have to use
two of the four cards in your hand. I think
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I would like that game. I might.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
It's a lot of action at a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, you do that a lot, like the cash games
in Omaha coop. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Well, so I was gonna ask, like, well, the last
time that you went to a cash game or the
cash games that you've been to, is it always like
you know every single person there it's a group of friends,
or have you gone to like a cash game where
it's you know, a whole thing, like a you know,
weekly monthly thing where there's other players that you don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And well, I've like the cash games are typically friends
you get together. It's just all your friends you play cards.
But I've played a handful of times in casinos where
it's just you know, it's it's your standard cash game.
It's a it's hold him no limit or whatever. You
sit down at the whatever the blinds are at that
type of table, you know. So I've done that, but
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everybody thinks it's the World Series of Poker, and it's like, guys,
it's the one too no limit table, Like, let's tone
it down. But yeah, some people don't. They don't want
to relax, you know. Loreena Coop got me all fired up.
You know, He's like, yeah, I might play a cash
game tomorrow. I'm like, well, dude, hit me up, you know,
let me know. I might play along with you before
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hit Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Did he?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I texted him, I'm like, so, Coop, what's up man?
You playing? He's like nah, nah, I'm like all right,
wasn't excited? Get did you get any sleep whatsoever? In
anticipation waiting for cash games with Coop. Coop's just like God,
next time. Maybe next time?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
No, Coop, Look I had already lost plenty that weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, it's all good, you'll get it back.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I'm wondering why you were in a mood.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That Okay, I'm gonna get to the uh the team
that expects to win a Super Bowl within the next
three years momentarily, but first though, not the Cowboys. No,
it's not the Cowboys. But that's all I can give
you right now. Everything else sealed until we talk to
E Dog. Talk to Dog and will regroup and go
(20:25):
back to the Super Bowl. E Dog. You're on Fox
Sports Radio. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Okay, I'm gonna you mentioned about MTV the videos.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, they have it on.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Channel Optimum, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So what cable package do you have because one eighty
six for you could be something totally different Optimum optimum Okay,
So they play videos and Optimum Yeah, videos, okay, very nicely.
I'll have to check that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Okay. Also, then Adam Chandler in the movie Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, why does he wear a Boston Bruins jersey?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Do you know why does he wear it?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah? I don't know. Why is he a Boston bruder fan.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, in the original one, Coop would probably know better
than me. But in the original one he was like
a failed hockey player like that was his dream was
to play in the lad That.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Was a great movie. Also, I got a question for
you guys. Okay, uh huh, I have I watched ten
of my hats today. I'm gonna put you and Lorraine
on the spot and ask you, guys, what what what
hats do I have that you guess?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Wow? Well, I gotta ask Coop. Where is he calling from? Coop?
Where is he dog from New York, New York? Okay,
your ten hats? All right, I'm only going to guess three. Well,
guess three. I'll go with.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
You.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Gotta have your standard Yankee hat in there?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Uh? One or two? Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I don't know. You have nine hundred? Yeah? You got
to Okay, Lorena, you're up next. This is the uh
the second hour. These stealing Marcel's thunder right here. This
is the the twist of the food picks. It's hat picks.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
I'm gonna say you have a fedora that means.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, Okay, I about a kangle hat? You have like
the Bruce Arians old school kangle hat. A Cagle's hat.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
No, I have sports teams.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
All sports teams. Okay, maybe maybe a little Denver Broncos
action for Coop out There No no Savannah bananas as.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Far as you get this one your favorite team?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
What the Dolphins? You're not rocking a Dolphins hat? Are you?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yes? I am.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Get out of here. Very nice e dog. You know
they're gonna win six or seven games this year. But
you got you got the clean hat going on, you know?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Okay? Awesome. I want to tell you this. I was
when I used to play basketball and far As Hill.
There was a guy named Julio. He jumped on the
other guy's back and mean, I said, Mike, and I said,
you might goes me and Julio. You know what I'm saying. Also,
I just want to share about this, I believe it
or not. I used to be a male dancer.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Okay, all right? Uh did you wear any of your
your hats? Are they from that era of your life?
Speaker 7 (23:43):
There?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
You dog?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
No? But I did wear a LTTS Vegas sure. And
if you guess what song they played to the to
the for me dancing, you win a price.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh man, that's something I probably don't want to know.
That's something you you dance to. Voodoo from God Smack,
that's what you dance in a very sublective manner.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
How about Bad to the Bone, No on that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
No, we gotta let you go, you dog that. I
don't think we can top that going forward. Man, appreciate
your time here this morning. There is e dog bad
to the Bone double on Tandra.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Obviously, I was thinking maybe that I'm too sexy song,
I'm too sexy for my shirt.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think that I hear you, but you can't. I
know it's a male dance, but you can't even do
if you're trying to do like a sexy that, you
can't do it to that song, right, like the even
though the sexiest girl on earth couldn't do a sexy
dance to that song.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
No, it's the most unsexy song, right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, someone said that like Voodoo that popped in my head.
Voodoo from Godsmack was like a stripping anthem for a
little while, and I'm like, wow, really, no, kid, that
that certainly set like a mysterious mood if you will, right,
I can see that's.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
What's another listening to it now, I have to go
and look at it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You don't know. You don't know that song, right, No,
I do not. Oh yeah that's a great song. Coop.
You like that song? You fan of that?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, very good song. Well look at us common ground.
We've got rage and we've got voodoo from Godsmack and
a little bit of metal here and there.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, we have a lot more common ground, we do.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
We do?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You just you're just like diluted about tools.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So it's yeah, I know that's a sour of subject. Okay.
So uh, the team that expects to win a Super
Bowl within the next three years, that would be the
the Minnesota Vikings. That's right. The Minnesota Vikings think that
they are super Bowl bounding. So yeah, thank you, Lorraina.
(26:08):
This is according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. He had this
report on SportsCenter and he said the following as was
told to me, The Vikings feel like JJ McCarthy in
day nine of these workouts was a lot stronger than
day one. Okay, coming off that knee issue. They knew
(26:31):
he could start a little slowly. They like the way
he's throwing the ball. They feel very comfortable with where
he's at going into training camp. They didn't sign Rogers
and went with McCarthy because they believe in their three
year plan a young quarterback they like on a rookie
scale so they can be aggressive on the roster. They
(26:51):
believe they can win a super Bowl in the next
three years. Woo baby, that is I get it. I
totally understand it. And time will tell maybe they'll be right.
It's a big time gamble. And I'm fascinated by the
Vikings this year because of the decision they made, in
(27:13):
the decisions they could have made. They could have reupt
with Sam Donald right, could have kept him around. What
is that the Vikings fight song? Yes, it is wow man,
they got to revamp that thing. That's uh. That leaves
(27:34):
a lot to be desired right there. But they could
have gone with Sam Donald. They could have stuck with him.
They could have gone with Aaron Rodgers and gone the
veteran route with a great supporting cast. They chose to
go with JJ McCarthy, who's a first year starter. And listen,
I I understand why they're doing this. They explained it
(27:56):
right there. This rookie deal, you can splurge on the
rest of the roster and go for it. And if
you look at Rogers at this stage of his career.
I know you have to think, what could life be
like with that supporting cast and Rogers. That's an interesting thought.
(28:19):
I'll tell you this with JJ McCarthy, though, I think
the roster, his supporting cast is the gift and the
curse because it's a great supporting cast. Make no mistake
about it. Sam Darnold played very well all things considered.
He fizzled out the last two games when it mattered most,
but he threw thirty five touchdown passes. That's a team
(28:40):
that went fourteen and three with Sam Darnold as their quarterback.
That's a really, really good supporting cast. But by far,
and this is where the curse comes in. JJ McCarthy
is going to be facing so much pressure to hit
the ground running as a first year starter. Ask yourself this,
(29:05):
Has any quarterback been expected to produce and to win
immediately as much as JJ McCarthy will be expected to
That's a legitimate question. Has anybody been expected to do
those things to the same degree that JJ McCarthy will.
I don't know that there has been. If you have
(29:27):
a couple of names off the top of your head,
I'd love to hear it. And there have been some
players that are certainly scrutinized. Caleb Williams is a good example.
Bears quarterback last year, number one overall pick. He was
a very polarizing player in college. Everybody just had an
opinion on Caleb Williams. You know, it was a lot
(29:49):
of it was critical. I'll look at him crying with
his mom in the stands, what's up with this guy?
And hey, he paints his fingernails. This guy. A lot
of people had some very critical things to say about
Caleb williy And then there were other people that pushed
back on the Caleb Williams critics. But it seemed like
everybody had an opinion on the guy. But he wasn't
expected to hit the ground running. The Bears weren't expected
(30:11):
to win double digit games, be a playoff team, a
challenge for a Super Bowl within the first three years.
Those weren't expectations for Caleb Williams. A lot of it
was because the supporting cast not nearly as good. But
I'd love to hear a quarterback that you think had
higher expectations was expected to do more immediately. That's that's
(30:38):
real pressure. And so while the supporting cast takes a
lot of pressure off of him because it's so good.
It's a lot to work with. You can throw to JJ,
you could throw to JJ Jefferson, you can hand the
ball off to Aaron Jones, like you've got a really
good supporting cast. But with that comes these raise the
(31:00):
expectations as a first year starter. No one's facing even
close to that in the league this year. Think about
the number one overall pick, cam Ward, the expectations Justin Jefferson.
I said JJ Jefferson, No, JJ, Justin Jefferson. Maybe JJ
McCarthy was on my brain. But you could throw it
(31:21):
to Justin Jefferson, you can hand it off Aaron Jones.
You got a good offensive line, you got TJ. Hockinson,
Jordan Addison, you got a lot around you. If you
look at cam Ward, cam Ward is the number one
overall pick. There are no expectations for this guy in
terms of you better win double digit games, you better
(31:42):
produce at a high level. We're used to thirty five
touchdown passes. That's the benchmark. That's what Sam Darnold did
last season. So we're expecting in the neighborhood of somewhere
in that vicinity those expectations don't exist for the number
one overall pick. They exist for ja J McCarthy. That's
a lot to deal with. I'm fascinated by the Vikings,
(32:05):
I really. I can see them having a good season.
I can see them really struggling because it's a lot
of it is about JJ McCarthy. How good is he
going to be as a first year starter with huge expectations.
It's one thing to just be a first year starter,
but to have these goliath expectations individually and team wise,
(32:31):
he'd better be the real deal or it could go
south pretty quickly. I don't think I'm more fascinated by
a team in the NFL than the Minnesota Vikings, just
based on the boom or bust or somewhere in between,
you know, the potential that they have this year. They
really have boom or bust potential. But make no mistake,
(32:54):
He's going to be under the microscope immediately, and no
other quarterback is going to be under the microscope to
even close to the same degree. I think that's what
makes it really interesting right there. All right, feel free
to check in. Phone line is open for you also
on x at the no shows, where you can reach
(33:16):
me feel like tweeting up a storm. Go ahead and
do that. Come it up next. This was a pretty
interesting defense of someone who is often picked apart. I'm
Brian Nohen for Big Ben Malor. Keep it locked right
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Ben Malor. Can you picture this as like a stripping anthem? Lorena?
What do you think about?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
This?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Definitely sets a mood, does it not? Well, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I haven't heard this song in so long and now
I'm like imagining it. Yeah, a little dark, little sultry. Yeah,
it's got a nice little bump bump bomb, so like,
you know, you can move the assets with that.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, she could get like down into the ooh, yeah,
that's good.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
A lot of potential for the bum bum bum as
you say, a lot of potential right there. I yeah, hopefully. Uh.
I'm glad that e Doc didn't dance to this, you know,
so I don't have to have.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
That would give a different vision in our Yeah, I
don't want.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That vision going on. Do not want that going on?
Right there. I'm gonna get to some funny audio here
in just a couple of minutes. But leading up to
Game five of the NBA Finals on Monday night, it's
game OKC one. They have a three to two lead
on the Pacers. Leading up to that game, Pacers head
(34:59):
coach Rick Carliile was oddly rushing to the defense of
official Scott Foster. So there are a lot of Pacer
fans that were incredibly upset about the officiating in Game four.
So this is not the game on Monday night. This
was the game before the game on Monday night, right,
(35:22):
So you go back to Friday, and that was the
game where the Pacers had a ten point lead in
the fourth quarter and it slipped through their fingers. And
the biggest controversy from that game. SGA drove the ball
on Nie Smith, definitely pushed off and then traveled no
(35:46):
call on either, and he hit a bucket. I believe
that was to take the lead, and that was getting
down there like SGA hit a three the possession before
and then he had the push off basket to give
the Okay, see lead, and they were only about two
minutes left. Some are close to the two minute mark
when SGA hit that go ahead push off bucket. And
(36:08):
so you know how it goes with fans. Oh, we
got screwed the officials. They hosed us. But here's Rick
Carlyle before Game five talking about the officiating in Game
four and all the heat that was directed at Scott Foster.
Scott Foster is not exactly popular. He's got a reputation
(36:31):
for a series that one team trails in all of
a sudden that team wins and either is even or
no longer trailing, right like, he has that type of reputation.
This is what Rick Carlyle said. He said, I think
it's awful with some of the things I've seen about
the officiating, with Scott Foster in particular. I've known Scott
(36:55):
Foster for thirty years. He's a great official. He's done
a great job in these playoffs. We've had him a
lot of times. And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown
out there is terrible. It's unfair and unjust. It's like, wow,
whoa Okay, I just wasn't expecting that. Now you could
(37:19):
think Rick Carlyle is going, you know, like Phil Jackson's
zen Master mode, and he's trying to you know, like
buddy buddy the officials, and that's his angle to try
to get the calls going forward. Maybe or maybe it's
just genuinely how he feels. It's just odd that he
(37:41):
he was that strong with his defense of Scott Foster.
And I've said for a long time, listen, it's been
more unpopular because it's just trendy. You know how it's
trendy to boo Roger Goodell at the NFL Draft. You know,
the commissioner comes on stage to announce a pigs boom
(38:01):
boo boo. You know, it should just be like sheep,
it should be going bah. It's more like that because
they're just following the trend. That's all it is. But
it's very trendy to just bash Scott Foster. He's the
worst freakin guy. Has he ever blown a call?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Has he ever missed something? Has he been a little
bit short with players?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, he has shortcomings, no doubt. I'm not telling you
he's perfect. I've argued for years he's not nearly as
bad as most NBA fans make him out to be.
Doesn't mean he's awesome, doesn't mean he's perfect. He's just better.
If you just went by what's commonly said about Scott Foster,
(38:49):
you would think he is the worst of all time.
He's just not. Like. He's consistently grated as one of
the top NBA officials. That's why he keeps working these
finals games. He's worked twenty five Championship Series games. He
works a game at least every year, so he must
be doing something right. But with all that being said,
(39:11):
it's kind of odd that Rick Carlisle was that strong
with his defense. Okay, the funny audio, we're up against it,
but this was Darius Slayton talking about Jamis Winston during
mini camp. Pretty funny. Check this out, Giants wide Receiver.
Good stuff. It's so hard to describe.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
It's just like how I'm talking right now. He'll be
talking just like this, and it's just the random thoughts
that come to his head and they just come out
and it's like we were talking about, you know, a slam.
How did we get to Kentucky Fried Chicken? Just hard
lefts Like I can't think of an exact example, but
like that's how Best Hockey described It's just like random
(39:48):
hard left, but then he comes right back on topics.
It's like, am I tripreneur? Are you trippering?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I love that audio?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
All right?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Coming up next week. Keep receipts here on FSR, and
a couple of seats are pretty interesting
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