June 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Brian Noe is in for Big Ben and talks about the Indiana Pacers losing Game 5 as the Oklahoma City Thunder take a 3-2 lead in the NBA Finals, the Orlando Magic giving up 4 First Round draft picks for Desmond Bane, Rory McIlroy's attitude, and much more!
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So we begin with Game five of the NBA Finals.
Is OKC gets it done? They win by eleven points.
Final score one to one oh nine. Thunder Knee. Just
one more win. They are one win away from an
NBA championship. So first things first, and we'll get to
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the controversy here shortly. Jalen Williams was fantastic. Forty points
for OKC. Efficient forty points. It's not like you're back
in the day Carmelo Anthony. Forty points where he took
forty eight shots. You know, forty points, fourteen for twenty
five from the field, three for five from three, also
sprinkled in six rebounds, four assists. Great game for Jalen Williams.
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Forty Burger came up Big SGA League MVP. He was
steady thirty one points, a little more inefficient, a little
inefficient nine for twenty one, but still thirty one, ten assists.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He had zero.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Assists in each of the last two games, so ten
dimes for SGA. Now we get to the controversy that
would be ty Reese Halliburton had a very quiet game,
only scored four points, did not hit a shot from
the field, oh for six from the floor, including zero
for four from three. He did have seven rebounds and
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he had six assists, but he tweaked his right calf
and he didn't make a shot in thirty four minutes,
not one shot for the floor, and.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
He still played thirty four minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
So the controversy in the second guessing, we're looking right
at the Indiana Pacers head coach Rick Carlyle. He should
have played TJ McConnell more. TJ McConnell should have been
getting minutes in the fourth quarter instead of Tyrese Halliburton.
Haliburton was not himself. He was banged up, he was struggling. Meanwhile,
TJ McConnell is just doing TJ McConnell things. He played great,
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played for what twenty two minutes, scored eighteen points at
four assists. He was collapsing okc's defense. He was getting
to his spots. Other guys were open because of this,
and Rick Carlyle stuck with Halliburton. And there's a popular saying.
You might subscribe to this thought, dance with who brung you? Okay,
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we need to amend this. You don't dance with who
brung you. If that guy isn't healthy enough to dance, right,
you gotta go to Plan B. I'm all for dancing
with who brung you, but if they can't hit the
dance floor, you gotta dance with somebody else.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
That's the way it goes. And that's what it was
in game five.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And listen, I'll meet him halfway because I can understand
the thinking where you're like, hey, Halliburton is our guy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He's gotten us here.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Maybe he has a good fourth quarter, he's moving around enough.
You kind of just talk yourself into it, and you're thinking,
without having access to the results, you're thinking, maybe he
does turn it on. Maybe he has a couple of assists,
Maybe he has a couple of big shots.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But that was wishful thinking.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It just was not realistically going to happen based on
how you saw him play throughout the game. And so Carlisle,
he went with Haliburton, he danced with who brung.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Him, and he was let down.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
He was let down by Halliburton, even though he will
never say that, but he has to be second guessing
himself that he has access to the results. Are you
telling me Carlisle doesn't sit there and think, man, I
should have seen that coming. Helliburton didn't make a shot
all night. Why would I think he was all of
a sudden gonna play great in the fourth quarter. That
was just not a great decision by me. I'd be
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thinking those things if I were him. He's probably thinking
those exact same things. But that was an opportunity missed.
And the difference in the game really was a couple
of things. Jalen Williams who went for the forty piece.
It was all these Pacers turnovers, my lord. Twenty three
turnovers by the Pacers led to thirty two points for OKC.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That is way too many turnovers.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
We do you have over twenty turnovers in a game,
especially in an NBA Finals game, and it fuels the
other team's offense. That is you're gonna get killed just
by that alone. And then it was also a huge
run in the fourth quarter by the Thunder. So the
Pacers they trailed by eighteen points. And I call them
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the zombies of the sports world, and I mean that
in a complimentary way, where they just you think they're
dead and they just keep coming after you, like one
of those random movies where his guy's barely walk is
like and you're like, I don't have to worry about him,
and five minutes later that guy just snuck up on
you and you're like, where did he come from?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The Pacers are like a horror film where the zombies
just keep coming after you and they.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Won't go away. So that's what the Pacers did. They're
down by eighteen.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
They cut it to a two point deficit with eight
thirty left in the game, throwing down by two. And
then what happened There was an eighteen to four run
by OKC right after the Pacers got it down to two.
Eighteen to four run. It swung the entire game. It
started with a Jalen Williams three, then Nemhard had a
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bad pass. Bad communication going on there, communication breakdown and
it led to an easy bucket for OKC. That's what
led to an eighteen to four run. And during that run,
this is really hideous stuff. If you're a Pacers fan,
you might start vomiting here when I go over some
of this stuff. But the Pacers committed four consecutive turnovers,
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four straight possessions, four straight turnovers, and it led to points.
Every time there was a bad pass by Nemhard led
to an SGA bucket and one he made the free throw.
Haliburton had a bad pass led to a Jalen Williams
layup Nemhard. Another bad pass led to free throws for
Jalen Williams. Another Haliburton bad pass it led to SGA
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free throws. Four consecutive turnovers in one minute of game time.
That's the other crazy. This happened in the span of
one minute.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They turned it.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Over four times in that span. This is what blows
my mind. OKASEE led by only two points with eight
thirty to play. OKAC then led by sixteen points with
five minutes left following that run.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's what's flung the entire game.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
And so now the Pacers they lose back to back
games for the first time this postseason, and they lose
back to back games for the first time since March tenth.
Think about that, that's over three months ago. They haven't
lost back to back games a lot of those against
some of the best teams in the playoffs. Is the
first time in three months the Pacers have dropped two straight.
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Crazy stuff and the scary thing for the Pacers in
Game six, the series has not done yet and the
rest of the league is Okasee is the youngest team
to reach the finals in forty eight years. They're a
whisker away from winning it, and they are going to
be a problem for a long time. And I'm just
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starting to get used to the NBA. This current NBA,
I think is very refreshing. This will be the seventh
straight year, whether it's OKAC or Indiana spoiler alert, it's
gonna be okay see, but it's gonna be the seventh
straight year no matter who wins the finals, that we're
gonna have a champion. That's different. Seven straight years, seven different.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Champions, right.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think that's more.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Exciting this NBA where it's like, all right, okay, see
wins the title next year?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Who knows? Who knows gonna win a title.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
That's more interesting to me than all right, okac is
trying to rattle off three championships in four years, or
you know, I just the dynasty stuff and the repeat
three peat champions. I'm just not as interested. Maybe this
is because I was so burned by the Calves and
Warriors that era. When they met in the finals for
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four consecutive years, four years in a row, and it
was going into the next year, You're like, I just
wake me When it's Caps Warriors in the finals. You
knew that was what it was going to be. They
were so much better than the competition. I think this
current NBA is much more interesting. Seven straight years, seven
new champions and think if there were one dominant team
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and what that would mean for the league, for the
teams that have won a championship, and the ripple effect
from that point on. If you think about these last
seven years, Kawhi Leonard won a title with the Raptors,
they took down the Warriors. The Warriors were the best
candidate to continue their dynasty, but the Raptors lucked out
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and the Warriors were the walking wounded. Everybody was going down.
Kdi went down, Clay went down. They're dropping like flies,
injuries galore. The Raptors luck out they won a championship.
Good for them. It would have changed how you thought
about Kawhi. These teams and go for it mode, Like
the Raptors made this blockbuster move for Kawhi and he
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had no interest in staying there. They still traded for
the guy. Imagine if that fizzled out, didn't work out whatsoever?
They want a title and so other teams saw that
and they're like, oh wow, it worked out.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Let's be aggressive here.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
The Bucks won a championship with Jannis, The Nuggets won
a championship with Jokic. Imagine if there was a dynasty
and neither of those championships happened. Imagine if Giannis is
looking for his first ring and Jokic is still looking
for his first ring, that's all you would hear about,
and it would be nauseating. Jokich is a three time MVP,
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he still hasn't won one ring. Blah blah blah. Lebron
might not have a ring with the Lakers. That was
one of the championships in these last seven years.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I like the spread the wealth NBA. And because it's
been so like dynasty driven over the years. You think
about the Lakers, you know, the Showtime Lakers, the nineties Bowls,
the Spurs, it's been the Celtics back in the day.
It's been so dynasty driven. I think this is a
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breath of fresh air. The NFL it hasn't been. It's
been how could I say this. There have been dynasties,
but it hasn't been to the tune of NBA dynasties.
There's no NFL dynasty that won six championships in eight
years and Jordan takes off two of those years, right Like,
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that doesn't happen in the NFL. It didn't happen like
even the Spurs. Like rattling off championships to that degree
like the Spurs did, it doesn't happen in the NFL
like that Steelers won four of six.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's probably the closest thing.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But the point is you haven't had the same dynasties
in the NFL. And so if a quote unquote dynasty
comes along, like it's the Patriots that win three of four,
that's like a whoa, this is a huge dynasty. That's
the way it goes in the NFL. There's never been
one three peat, not one. Think about all the three
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peats in the NBA. There are way more than none
in the NBA, So don't I don't mind dynasties in
the NFL as much like the Chiefs were just going
for a three peat.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But I think right there the Eagles winning it and
spreading the wealth a little bit.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I think it's more interesting for the league as a
whole when the wealth is spread a little bit like that,
and the NBA they agree, Otherwise they wouldn't have put
into place some of these rules and some of these
things like the reworked CBA and they have the luxury
tax and the second apron.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You don't have to know any of this stuff. I
don't even know it.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
But all I know, and all you need to know
is if you exceed that second apron, man, you get walloped.
You get a backhand right across the face, just smackolo.
Like draft picks are frozen. There are all these penalties
if you do that. So you can't just load up
on Superstar after Superstar and just dominate the league. The
league doesn't want that, Otherwise they wouldn't have put this
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into place.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I like it. I don't have an issue with it
at all.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But the whole point of this bringing it up is that,
okayse threatens that if you're like me and you like
a little bit more of the spreading of the wealth
and you don't like predetermined, like, hey, wake me up,
and Okayc's back in the finals.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't think that's interesting at all.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And I don't think they're that dominant, and I think
the West is too good for it to be that
kind of landscape. But OKAYC is going to be a
problem for a long time. It wouldn't surprise me at
all if they start rattling off championship after championship. So
if you like the spreading of the wealth, okay, see
threatens that, make no mistake about it. One went away
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from a title could be the first of a handful.
Here wouldn't shock me at all.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
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Speaker 4 (14:09):
So this Desmond Baine trade, Desmond Baine gets traded from
the Grizzlies to the Orlando Magic, and the Magic they
gave up Contavious Caldwell, Pope, Cole Anthony, and they gave
up four unprotected first round picks and one first round
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pick swap.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's the deal right there. Now.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Desmond Bain is good. He's a good player. He's a
three and D guy, very good three point shooter. But
he isn't a rock star, he's not even an All Star.
So this is quite a haul for a dude that's
not even an All star, really.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Good three point shooter.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But man, we're talking four unprotected picks, a pick swap,
a couple of dudes that can play KCP, Cole Antethony.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think that's a lot to give. It's a ton.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Some people have pointed out, like that's more than the
Lakers gave up for Luca.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you could dispute that.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
You could say, Anthony Davis still plays at a very
high level, still has some good years left. Who knows
what the picks are going to turn into.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So it's at.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Least I'll say a possibility that Memphis got more for
Desmond Bane than the the MAVs got for Luca. That's insane,
that's insanity right there. But it's not really a Luca thing.
I just look at the compensation here, and I would
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connect it to the NBA finals. It's still it blows
my mind that these teams in the NBA are so
willing to give up so much draft compensation. Now I realize,
I want you to understand. I realize it does not
work the same way as the NFL draft. Totally understood.
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I'm not making it out to be the same exact thing.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
We know.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
The NFL draft is much deeper in talent. You can
find talent and difference makers role players late in the
NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It happens commonly, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So if you just look at the first two rounds
of the NFL versus NBA draft, much more talent pans out,
let's say, in the second round in the NFL draft
than it does in the second round of the NBA draft.
Totally understand that. So there is going to be a difference.
But with that being said, how huge the difference is
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Where the NFL these teams completely value draft picks. There
are times where it's like, yeah, Randy Moss just got traded.
Oh yeah, Randy Moss, what do you get traded for
a fourth round pick? A fourth round pick?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
What? There are deals like that all the time, proven veteran.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Like what they get from I got like a third
rounder and uh they got some big league chew.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's football. Is this a big big league chew?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
That's just all they could get value in those draft picks.
That's the way it goes in the NFL NBA. These
teams are just like first round picks. They're like making
it rain with first round picks. They're just like, yeah,
go for it, Yeah, no problem. Four unprotected first round
picks and a first round pick swap for Desmond Bane. Wow,
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that is a heavy price tag. And the other thing
that blows my mind before we get to the NBA
finals comparison, is that these are future picks.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Who knows what's.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Going to happen with these teams that make these trades
down the road. For instance, look at look at the
Brooklyn Nets making the deal for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant
goes to the Phoenix Suns and Brooklyn gets a bunch
of picks in return. Now look at the Suns. Now,
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what are they gonna do. They're gonna move KD again.
And what's gonna happen with the Suns? Well, they're gonna
lose a lot more games. They were winning many games
with KD. Imagine if they move Booker and completely reset
and totally bottom out. All of a sudden, these draft
picks are premium picks.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
That's what's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It's like, yeah, take our twenty forty seven first round pick.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
What a week care?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
It's like, well, if that turns into a top five pick,
you should care. That's what happened with the Nets in reverse. Remember,
the Nets made the deal to trade for a couple
of Celtics at the time, Paul Pierce and Kevin Durant
famous trade. They traded first round picks, some pick swaps,
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and and shockingly, old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Gartnett
played like old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Gardnett. They
didn't win many games, and all of a sudden those
picks became really valuable. Nets aren't winning many games. Turned
into a third overall pick which was used for Jalen Brown,
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and it turned into a first overall pick, and the
Celtics traded down to number three and still drafted Jason Tatum.
Those picks turned into Tatum and Brown, and the Nets
are like, yeah, let's get Paul Pierson KG, let's go.
They're like, here's the first rounder, here's another first rounder,
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here's a pick swap.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, sounds great.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
The Celtics are like, okay, cool, well, weset our whole
franchise with this trade. And so that's what I think
at least has the possibility of happening. Another good example
would be present day. Look at the Milwaukee Bucks trading
for Damian Lillard. Think about Portland who made that deal.
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They didn't want to let Dame go, but they had to.
Dame was ready to compete for a championship. The Blazers
were resetting. They were gonna be nowhere close to competing
for a championship. Now look where things are. Dame got hurt,
jacked up his achilles. Now we don't know if Jannis
is gonna be back. What if Jannis is gone, Look
at that roster, even with Giannis on it, they're basically
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the Westbrook Thunder right now.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
If Jannis is back this year.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Surrounded by a below average supporting cast at best, Giannis
is gonna go freaking ballistic and the Bucks are gonna
lose a good amount of games. It's just a matter
of time until the Bucks deal Yannis.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
They should do it this offseason.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Maybe they dragged their feet and they do it next
off season. Whatever it happens, the Bucks are resetting. So
the point is if the Bucks have no Yiannis and
now they're really bottoming out and they're really trying to reset, hey,
let's try to Let's try to recoup some of these
draft picks. Let's just move all of our other assets
and reset completely. Well, all of a sudden, if they
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bought them out, those picks sent to Portland, those become
premium picks. So it's just blows my mind that team
after team after team is still willing to make these deals.
I get it, if you get a true superstar, the
top ten player, fine, Desmond Bane is not close to
a top ten player, and you're giving away these draft
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picks like no big deal. And this is where I
would bring it back to the NBA finals, because we
tend to act that only lottery picks pan out in
the NBA, and it's just not true. If you look
at these finals, it's a good example of some quote
unquote non premium picks paying big dividends just for the now.
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Some of these players were traded to the Pacers traded
to the thunder SGA. Best example, shake Gildes Alexander, Say
shake gild Just Alexander the league MVP traded by the Clippers.
Two okase, but he was an eleventh overall pick, you know,
outside the top ten. Still a lottery pick, but outside
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the top ten. You look at some of these other
guys that Jalen Williams just went for forty points in
game five. He's a twelfth overall draft pick. Bottom of
the lottery right there, twelfth overall. You think the twelfth
overall pick. Whoever has the twelfth overall pick and this
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year's draft is like, oh baby, let's go. This is
a premium pick. They're like, man, this sucks. We'll have
the twelfth overall pick. Too bad we didn't luck out
and get higher in the lottery with the you know,
with that thing going on, you can find quality in
this area, and we act like you can't. If you
look at some other guys like Lou Dort, great defensive player,
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the Dorcher Chamber. Alex Caruso has made his impact felt
in these in this final series. Both lou Dort and
Alex Caruso are undrafted guys. They weren't even drafted, and
teams are thrown away draft picks like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's just like this is like a rest stop, toilet.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Paper or something like, oh gosh, that's the worst, now man,
Some of these these picks, like these non premium picks,
can turn into premium players. Pascal Siakam twenty seventh overall pick.
He's made a big impact in the finals and the
playoffs as a whole. So I just I don't understand
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why these teams do it time and time and time again.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
The Rudy Gobert trade.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You look at some of these trades like they sent
a bunch of players, four first round picks.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
For Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
They sent Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverly, Jared Vanderbilt, the rights
to Walker Kessler to the Jazz Walker Kessler is he
can play, and all these first round picks. Hey, listen,
I'll meet you halfway. Maybe a team like the Timberwolves.
They look like they're gonna be good for years to come.
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Maybe the twenty twenty seven first round pick doesn't turn
out to be a premium pick. Maybe the top five
protected twenty twenty nine pick doesn't turn out to be
an awesome pick right, I'll meet you halfway. But what
if it does? It has with other teams and other instances.
And I look at Orlando and it's like, yeah, Desmond
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Bane makes you better, But is he worth that price tag?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Man, it's a heavy price tag. It's like if if.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I went out and I bought I always use my
car as an example.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I have a Nissan Altima. Love my Nissan Altima. If
I went out and bought a new.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Nissan Ultima for seventy five thousand dollars, what would you
guys say to me?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You'd be like, what are you doing? Why would you do?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
It's too much. They're not saying the car sucks. They're
not saying, oh, why would you be caught dead in
a Nissan Ultimate. They're just saying it's not worth that much,
which is accurate. That's how I feel about the Desmond
Baiden trade. I'm not telling you Desmond Bain can't play.
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He can play.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He's a very good three point shooter.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I thought he gave the Grizzly some juice. He might
do the same for Orlando. But the price tag is like, WHOA, Really,
that's a pretty heavy price tag.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
For a non All Star. It's like Michel Bridges.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's what the Knicks when they dealt for Michel Bridges,
they dealt players and five future first round picks, including
four unprotected. There's a pick swap in there. There's a
future second round pick swap in there. Like again, mckel
Bridges can play. It's a good player, but man, that's
a lot. And I think there are two ways to
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look at the Thunder and the Pacers, which in my
mind ties into this Desmond Bane trade. If we're just
looking at trades in general, you could look at the
Pacers and the Thunder and say, well, hey, the Thunder
they traded for Shay Gilgess, Alexander, they traded for alex Caruso,
they traded for Isaiah Hartenstein. So they've they've made trades
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that have involved draft picks. But I would counter that with, well, yeah,
but the Thunder we're trading for gilgis Alexander and a
bunch of draft picks. They're the ones getting the draft picks,
not giving the draft picks. There's a huge difference right there.
That was the Paul George deal. Okay, see you guy,
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like five first rounders and Shay that's insanity, right, So
it's not just that you traded for a guy. It
might be that you got a bunch of picks along
with that guy, just like Okase did. If you look
at the Pacers, yeah, they've made a couple of trades
with impact players. Tyresaliburton, Pascal Siakam, TJ McConnell. They've traded
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for these guys. They traded for Obie Toppin, right, So
these guys get minutes, they make a big impact. There's
a big reason why this team is.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
In the NBA Finals.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So you could look at it from that perspective, but
I look at it as man when you just start
looking at this, Tyres Saliburton twelfth overall pick, Andrew Nemhard
gets minutes for the Pacers thirty first overall pick. He's
a second rounder again, Siakam twenty overall pick. These guys
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make an impact and you're just giving draft picks away
like they don't matter at all. Granted, it's hard to
find an impact payer player with the twenty seventh overall pick.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's not easy, but it can happen.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And I don't know why teams give away these picks
as if it never happens.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It's just odd to me.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I think the price tag is too high in a
lot of these moves that aren't.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Even involving all stars. That's one thing.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
If you get a stud, you get a star player,
you don't even have an all star and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Moving all of that. Okay, all right, now you can
chalk it up to these are going to be low
first round picks. Well, guess what.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Sometimes low first round picks turn into players that get
minutes start like make impacts. So I just think the
price tag a little bit too heavy.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
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Speaker 4 (28:55):
Now, this is something that has definitely caught my attention.
Is Rory McElroy. Okay, so our guy, Rory, he is
taking a weenie route, is what I would say. He
is dodging the media, which I think is just weak.
So this goes back to what we just saw at
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the US Open. And also if you go backwards to
last month's PGA Championship, so here's the backstory, and this
isn't just a Rory McElroy thing. Maybe you don't care
about Rory. Maybe you don't care about golf, that's fine,
But this to me is way bigger than that. This
is athletes speaking to the media, right, Like, do you
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think that they should speak to the media. Now, the
PGA Tour does not require their golfers to speak to
the media, so you.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Might remember this.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
It was a couple of months ago where what was it,
Colin Morikawa he came out and said, I don't think
I need to speak to you guys, And at that
point Rory McElroy backed him up and said he's right.
And so Rory, he's dodged the media. He dodged the
media for six straight rounds in majors. He didn't speak
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to the media all throughout the PGA Championships. That was
four straight days no talking to the media, And he
skipped out on the media on the first two days
of the US Open this past weekend, right, so he
didn't talk to him Thursday, didn't talk to him Friday.
He graced the media with his presence and his words
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as only Lord Rory McElroy can do.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
He was asked about this on Saturday and one of
the media members he said, you haven't met with the
media after the last six major rounds. Here, Is it
because you're frustrated on the golf course? Right, Like Rory
has not been playing well, and so the media guy
was like, is it because of the.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Way you're playing. Here's what Rory said, No.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Not really, it's more of frustration with you guys.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Okay, So he's ticked off at the media. Frustrated with
the media. So either the same or a different media member,
I'm not quite sure. The follow up question was in
what way? In what way are you ticked off at us?
Here's what Rory said.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I'm just.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I have been totally
available for the last few years, and I'm not saying
maybe not you guys, but maybe more just the the whole,
the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Okay, so the whole thing, the whole you know, answering questions, talking,
promoting the game of golf. You know, Jesus over it.
It's basically what he just said, that's kind of over it.
Maybe it's not you. Maybe another think that I don't
hate you directly, maybe just this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Maybe that's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
So there's another question, question, is this about the driver controversy?
So the driver controversy very shortly. This goes back to
the PGA Championship last month. He had a club that
failed testing and was removed from his bag. So maybe
he didn't like the coverage of that. He didn't like
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what was said or written about that. So that's what
is it? Something about the driver controversy. Here's what Rory said, Yeah, part.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Of Yeah, I mean that was.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
That was a part of it. Yeah, that was that
was That was a part of it. But it's not
as I flake at Augusta. I skipt you guys on Thursday.
So yeah, again, it's not as if it's it's not
out of the ordinary. I've I've done it before.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Okay, all right, now this is the part. Let's take
a time out for a second. This is exactly what
a bad partner would say, right.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
He said it a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
He's like, I've been around pretty much all the time
the last two years, all the time, whenever you want
to talk, I talk to you guys. And then he
just said it right there. He's like, I didn't skip
out on Thursday at Augusta.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
If your partner says to you, my girlfriend says to me, like, hey,
you haven't taken the trash out.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
For six straight weeks? What's up with that?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
A bad partner would say, well, what about seven weeks ago?
Huh who took the trash out? Then that's right, it
was me. I was taking the trash out seven weeks ago.
It's like, we're talking about the last six weeks though,
where you didn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's what we're talking about here. But Rory is like, well,
what about Augusta on Thursday? Yeah, I know I didn't
talk to you guys.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
All throughout the PGA Championship, didn't talk to you one time.
I know I skipped out on you the first two
days here at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
But I'm talking to you now like that.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
That's what a bad partner in a relationship says. They
don't admit anything they've done wrong, and they just shift
the focus to an area that they did do well
in and don't address their faults at all. That's what
a bad partner says. And that's exactly what Rory McElroy
just said. Now there was another follow up question. The
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reporter's like, hey, after really, and this is true. Rory
McElroy has really been front and center promoting the PGA Tour.
Standing up for the PGA Tour largely done a great job,
and the reporter was just like, are you kind of
just tired of that? Are you tired of doing that?
(34:44):
And that's why you want to dodge these questions? Do
you feel like you've earned the right to dodge these questions?
Here's what Rory said.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
I feel like I've earned the right to do whatever
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
There it is.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
That's the money quote right there, that explains everything, right, Yes,
I feel like I can do whatever that he's going
Denzel in training Day, I'm the man of bitness piece
is basically what Rory is saying. And this is where
it becomes weak and lame, Like whatever the reasons are
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and whatever the backstory is, why Rory is bent or
doesn't want to deal with the media or the end
result is weak. Dotching questions is weak. The truth is like,
meeting with the media and answering questions is good for
the sport. It promotes the game, It helps build drama
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for the next event or the current event. Why do
you think the media talks to players? Why do you
think players interviews and sound bites are aired all the
freaking time, on radio, on TV, because athletes from time
to time say some interesting things and it helps spruce
up that current event or the next event. So dodging
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those sessions might be great for Rory, but it isn't
great for the sport.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's the truth.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And you can try to argue against that and poke
holes in it and say, oh, but Brian, does it
really build drama? Is it really necessary? Blah blah blah.
It's like, yeah, athletes at times say some colorful things.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
They might call out an opponent.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
They might say something like Rory has said some very
candid things about live golf, and you're like, oh man,
I can't wait to see what happens in this next
major based on what Rory just said. It is back
and forth with Bryson Deshamba. Some of that is really
spruced up some of these matchups, like oh man, they're
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gonna be in the final pair together, like wow, and
here's the whole backstory. It helps promote the game and
it helps build drama. Some of my favorite drama building
moment like this is before the Super Bowl. I'll never
forget Shannon Sharp and Rabe Bucannon. So Shannon Sharp then
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at the Broncos rab Buchanon then of the Falcons. There's
a portion of some of their back and forth before
the game. Here's Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
I've never called anybody ugly? Do I think people ugly?
I think he ugged me.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
But I never fit that. You just did. He started it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That's gold right there.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
By the way, late nineties audio left a lot to
be desired. Rights in the background. It sounds like there's
a monsoon in the background. It's just horrid nineties audio,
but still great. Nevertheless, this is Raye Buchanon and some
of the critical things he said about Shannon Sharp again
top notch stuff.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
He might have a body though, everybody laying everybody to
be like, ooh Shannon.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
But I'm telling you what, man, you got a grill
like that?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Man?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I mean total reconstruction.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Okay, now this is the best one. This is Shannon
Sharp again, colorful sound bites. You're telling me you weren't
more interested to watch Super Bowl thirty three with the
war of words between these guys. Come on, this is
why they do it. This is why you interview athletes.
This is Shannon Sharp again to drop the mike moment,
talking about Raebu Cannon.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
I'm not gonna get into a p and content with
you lose every time, but I will say this all
suddeny he get an opportunity tobacco what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
If he my friend?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Did I ever view him as a friend?
Speaker 6 (38:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Did I have view him other than acquaint No? Do
I like him?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
If I see him in a snowstorm.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
His trucket broke down, mine is going perfectly.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Would I pick him up? No? Rather than that. Other
than that, I could care left about raeby Cannon.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
That's tremendous, and he said it within there is like
he's got a chance to back up his words on Sunday.
You're telling me you've never heard a SoundBite from an
athlete and been more interested to watch the next event.
That's a flat out lie. If that's what you say, Like,
that's why these leagues and the PGA two are. That's
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why they want their athletes to meet with the media
and say things because it helps promote the sport and
build drama for the next event or the current event.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
That's something Rory just doesn't want to do.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And listen, I might feel the same way, but you
can't lose sight of the big picture. I can understand
an athlete having some ill will toward the media. Maybe
someone wrote something crazy or said something crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You just don't want to do it. Rory had he
filed for divorce.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
And then he was able to reconcile with his wife, Erica,
And there are a lot of people that said a
lot of things and wrote a lot of things that
Rory might not have liked. I might feel the same
exact way if I was in the same position. But
I would look at it and say, even though this
is good.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
For me, I don't want to deal with the media.
It's bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
It's bigger than just some personal beef or bad blood.
It's about bringing more attention to the sport of golf.
That's the why why you even do these interviews in
the first place. And Rory's forgotten that. He's completely forgotten that,
and that's too bad. And I'll be honest with you.
If they had some sort of like post radio show
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press conference, I wouldn't want to do it. I'd probably
want to skip it. But if it helped bring in
more listeners and it helped build the ratings, it'd be
a necessary evil. I would do it even though I
didn't want to. If after the show it was just
like a postgame press conference, right, Like Rory finishes around
(40:35):
at the US Open and he's meeting with the media,
they might be like, hey, man, why were you terrible
on the eleventh toll or whatever. If someone was like,
you know, it's a press conference and they're like, all right,
Brian filling in for big Ben Maller, here your second segment, Like.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Wow, what went wrong?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
And I have to answer those questions like, well, you know, honestly,
I thought it was a good topic. Maybe I had
a weird example or as a little wordy getting to
the point, but you know, I'm just talking it up
to a learning experience, right. If I had to do
that after every show, yeah, I'd probably dread it. But again,
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if it helped the overall network, it helped the ratings,
it built excitement from time to time for the next show,
you gotta do it. It's bigger than just you. It's
about who you're working for. And Rory McElroy is working
for the PGA Tour and has just forgotten that the
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PGA Tour matters here in this equation. He's forgotten that
it's all about him. It's me, me, me, me me.
That's what Rory McIlroy is doing. And it's weak, it's lame,
not a fan of it, and his reasons are even
worse than that.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
This is all you need to know.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
I feel like I've earned the right to do whatever
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's telling right there.
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So we begin with Game five of the NBA Finals.
Is OKC gets it done? They win by eleven points.
Final score one to one oh nine. Thunder Knee. Just
one more win. They are one win away from an
NBA championship. So first things first, and we'll get to
(00:53):
the controversy here shortly. Jalen Williams was fantastic. Forty points
for OKC. Efficient forty points. It's not like you're back
in the day Carmelo Anthony. Forty points where he took
forty eight shots. You know, forty points, fourteen for twenty
five from the field, three for five from three, also
sprinkled in six rebounds, four assists. Great game for Jalen Williams.
(01:17):
Forty Burger came up Big SGA League MVP. He was
steady thirty one points, a little more inefficient, a little
inefficient nine for twenty one, but still thirty one, ten assists.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He had zero.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Assists in each of the last two games, so ten
dimes for SGA. Now we get to the controversy that
would be ty Reese Halliburton had a very quiet game,
only scored four points, did not hit a shot from
the field, oh for six from the floor, including zero
for four from three. He did have seven rebounds and
(01:51):
he had six assists, but he tweaked his right calf
and he didn't make a shot in thirty four minutes,
not one shot for the floor, and.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
He still played thirty four minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
So the controversy in the second guessing, we're looking right
at the Indiana Pacers head coach Rick Carlyle. He should
have played TJ McConnell more. TJ McConnell should have been
getting minutes in the fourth quarter instead of Tyrese Halliburton.
Haliburton was not himself. He was banged up, he was struggling. Meanwhile,
TJ McConnell is just doing TJ McConnell things. He played great,
(02:27):
played for what twenty two minutes, scored eighteen points at
four assists. He was collapsing okc's defense. He was getting
to his spots. Other guys were open because of this,
and Rick Carlyle stuck with Halliburton. And there's a popular saying.
You might subscribe to this thought, dance with who brung you? Okay,
(02:50):
we need to amend this. You don't dance with who
brung you. If that guy isn't healthy enough to dance, right,
you gotta go to Plan B. I'm all for dancing
with who brung you, but if they can't hit the
dance floor, you gotta dance with somebody else.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
That's the way it goes. And that's what it was
in game five.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And listen, I'll meet him halfway because I can understand
the thinking where you're like, hey, Halliburton is our guy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He's gotten us here.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Maybe he has a good fourth quarter, he's moving around enough.
You kind of just talk yourself into it, and you're thinking,
without having access to the results, you're thinking, maybe he
does turn it on. Maybe he has a couple of assists,
Maybe he has a couple of big shots.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But that was wishful thinking.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It just was not realistically going to happen based on
how you saw him play throughout the game. And so Carlisle,
he went with Haliburton, he danced with who brung.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Him, and he was let down.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
He was let down by Halliburton, even though he will
never say that, but he has to be second guessing
himself that he has access to the results. Are you
telling me Carlisle doesn't sit there and think, man, I
should have seen that coming. Helliburton didn't make a shot
all night. Why would I think he was all of
a sudden gonna play great in the fourth quarter. That
was just not a great decision by me. I'd be
(04:15):
thinking those things if I were him. He's probably thinking
those exact same things. But that was an opportunity missed.
And the difference in the game really was a couple
of things. Jalen Williams who went for the forty piece.
It was all these Pacers turnovers, my lord. Twenty three
turnovers by the Pacers led to thirty two points for OKC.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That is way too many turnovers.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
We do you have over twenty turnovers in a game,
especially in an NBA Finals game, and it fuels the
other team's offense. That is you're gonna get killed just
by that alone. And then it was also a huge
run in the fourth quarter by the Thunder. So the
Pacers they trailed by eighteen points. And I call them
(05:04):
the zombies of the sports world, and I mean that
in a complimentary way, where they just you think they're
dead and they just keep coming after you, like one
of those random movies where his guy's barely walk is
like and you're like, I don't have to worry about him,
and five minutes later that guy just snuck up on
you and you're like, where did he come from?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
The Pacers are like a horror film where the zombies
just keep coming after you and they.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Won't go away. So that's what the Pacers did. They're
down by eighteen.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
They cut it to a two point deficit with eight
thirty left in the game, throwing down by two. And
then what happened There was an eighteen to four run
by OKC right after the Pacers got it down to two.
Eighteen to four run. It swung the entire game. It
started with a Jalen Williams three, then Nemhard had a
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bad pass. Bad communication going on there, communication breakdown and
it led to an easy bucket for OKC. That's what
led to an eighteen to four run. And during that run,
this is really hideous stuff. If you're a Pacers fan,
you might start vomiting here when I go over some
of this stuff. But the Pacers committed four consecutive turnovers,
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four straight possessions, four straight turnovers, and it led to points.
Every time there was a bad pass by Nemhard led
to an SGA bucket and one he made the free throw.
Haliburton had a bad pass led to a Jalen Williams
layup Nemhard. Another bad pass led to free throws for
Jalen Williams. Another Haliburton bad pass it led to SGA
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free throws. Four consecutive turnovers in one minute of game time.
That's the other crazy. This happened in the span of
one minute.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They turned it.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Over four times in that span. This is what blows
my mind. OKASEE led by only two points with eight
thirty to play. OKAC then led by sixteen points with
five minutes left following that run.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's what's flung the entire game.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
And so now the Pacers they lose back to back
games for the first time this postseason, and they lose
back to back games for the first time since March tenth.
Think about that, that's over three months ago. They haven't
lost back to back games a lot of those against
some of the best teams in the playoffs. Is the
first time in three months the Pacers have dropped two straight.
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Crazy stuff and the scary thing for the Pacers in
Game six, the series has not done yet and the
rest of the league is Okasee is the youngest team
to reach the finals in forty eight years. They're a
whisker away from winning it, and they are going to
be a problem for a long time. And I'm just
(08:04):
starting to get used to the NBA. This current NBA,
I think is very refreshing. This will be the seventh
straight year, whether it's OKAC or Indiana spoiler alert, it's
gonna be okay see, but it's gonna be the seventh
straight year no matter who wins the finals, that we're
gonna have a champion. That's different. Seven straight years, seven different.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Champions, right.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think that's more.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Exciting this NBA where it's like, all right, okay, see
wins the title next year?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Who knows? Who knows gonna win a title.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
That's more interesting to me than all right, okac is
trying to rattle off three championships in four years, or
you know, I just the dynasty stuff and the repeat
three peat champions. I'm just not as interested. Maybe this
is because I was so burned by the Calves and
Warriors that era. When they met in the finals for
(09:01):
four consecutive years, four years in a row, and it
was going into the next year, You're like, I just
wake me When it's Caps Warriors in the finals. You
knew that was what it was going to be. They
were so much better than the competition. I think this
current NBA is much more interesting. Seven straight years, seven
new champions and think if there were one dominant team
(09:25):
and what that would mean for the league, for the
teams that have won a championship, and the ripple effect
from that point on. If you think about these last
seven years, Kawhi Leonard won a title with the Raptors,
they took down the Warriors. The Warriors were the best
candidate to continue their dynasty, but the Raptors lucked out
(09:47):
and the Warriors were the walking wounded. Everybody was going down.
Kdi went down, Clay went down. They're dropping like flies,
injuries galore. The Raptors luck out they won a championship.
Good for them. It would have changed how you thought
about Kawhi. These teams and go for it mode, Like
the Raptors made this blockbuster move for Kawhi and he
(10:09):
had no interest in staying there. They still traded for
the guy. Imagine if that fizzled out, didn't work out whatsoever?
They want a title and so other teams saw that
and they're like, oh wow, it worked out.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Let's be aggressive here.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
The Bucks won a championship with Jannis, The Nuggets won
a championship with Jokic. Imagine if there was a dynasty
and neither of those championships happened. Imagine if Giannis is
looking for his first ring and Jokic is still looking
for his first ring, that's all you would hear about,
and it would be nauseating. Jokich is a three time MVP,
(10:44):
he still hasn't won one ring. Blah blah blah. Lebron
might not have a ring with the Lakers. That was
one of the championships in these last seven years.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I like the spread the wealth NBA. And because it's
been so like dynasty driven over the years. You think
about the Lakers, you know, the Showtime Lakers, the nineties Bowls,
the Spurs, it's been the Celtics back in the day.
It's been so dynasty driven. I think this is a
(11:17):
breath of fresh air. The NFL it hasn't been. It's
been how could I say this. There have been dynasties,
but it hasn't been to the tune of NBA dynasties.
There's no NFL dynasty that won six championships in eight
years and Jordan takes off two of those years, right Like,
(11:38):
that doesn't happen in the NFL. It didn't happen like
even the Spurs. Like rattling off championships to that degree
like the Spurs did, it doesn't happen in the NFL
like that Steelers won four of six.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's probably the closest thing.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But the point is you haven't had the same dynasties
in the NFL. And so if a quote unquote dynasty
comes along, like it's the Patriots that win three of four,
that's like a whoa, this is a huge dynasty. That's
the way it goes in the NFL. There's never been
one three peat, not one. Think about all the three
(12:13):
peats in the NBA. There are way more than none
in the NBA, So don't I don't mind dynasties in
the NFL as much like the Chiefs were just going
for a three peat.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But I think right there the Eagles winning it and
spreading the wealth a little bit.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I think it's more interesting for the league as a
whole when the wealth is spread a little bit like that,
and the NBA they agree, Otherwise they wouldn't have put
into place some of these rules and some of these
things like the reworked CBA and they have the luxury
tax and the second apron.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You don't have to know any of this stuff. I
don't even know it.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
But all I know, and all you need to know
is if you exceed that second apron, man, you get walloped.
You get a backhand right across the face, just smackolo.
Like draft picks are frozen. There are all these penalties
if you do that. So you can't just load up
on Superstar after Superstar and just dominate the league. The
league doesn't want that, Otherwise they wouldn't have put this
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into place.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I like it. I don't have an issue with it
at all.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But the whole point of this bringing it up is that,
okayse threatens that if you're like me and you like
a little bit more of the spreading of the wealth
and you don't like predetermined, like, hey, wake me up,
and Okayc's back in the finals.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't think that's interesting at all.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And I don't think they're that dominant, and I think
the West is too good for it to be that
kind of landscape. But OKAYC is going to be a
problem for a long time. It wouldn't surprise me at
all if they start rattling off championship after championship. So
if you like the spreading of the wealth, okay, see
threatens that, make no mistake about it. One went away
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from a title could be the first of a handful.
Here wouldn't shock me at all.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
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Speaker 4 (14:09):
So this Desmond Baine trade, Desmond Baine gets traded from
the Grizzlies to the Orlando Magic, and the Magic they
gave up Contavious Caldwell, Pope, Cole Anthony, and they gave
up four unprotected first round picks and one first round
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pick swap.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's the deal right there. Now.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Desmond Bain is good. He's a good player. He's a
three and D guy, very good three point shooter. But
he isn't a rock star, he's not even an All Star.
So this is quite a haul for a dude that's
not even an All star, really.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Good three point shooter.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But man, we're talking four unprotected picks, a pick swap,
a couple of dudes that can play KCP, Cole Antethony.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think that's a lot to give. It's a ton.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Some people have pointed out, like that's more than the
Lakers gave up for Luca.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you could dispute that.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
You could say, Anthony Davis still plays at a very
high level, still has some good years left. Who knows
what the picks are going to turn into.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So it's at.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Least I'll say a possibility that Memphis got more for
Desmond Bane than the the MAVs got for Luca. That's insane,
that's insanity right there. But it's not really a Luca thing.
I just look at the compensation here, and I would
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connect it to the NBA finals. It's still it blows
my mind that these teams in the NBA are so
willing to give up so much draft compensation. Now I realize,
I want you to understand. I realize it does not
work the same way as the NFL draft. Totally understood.
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I'm not making it out to be the same exact thing.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
We know.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
The NFL draft is much deeper in talent. You can
find talent and difference makers role players late in the
NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It happens commonly, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So if you just look at the first two rounds
of the NFL versus NBA draft, much more talent pans out,
let's say, in the second round in the NFL draft
than it does in the second round of the NBA draft.
Totally understand that. So there is going to be a difference.
But with that being said, how huge the difference is
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Where the NFL these teams completely value draft picks. There
are times where it's like, yeah, Randy Moss just got traded.
Oh yeah, Randy Moss, what do you get traded for
a fourth round pick? A fourth round pick?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
What? There are deals like that all the time, proven veteran.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Like what they get from I got like a third
rounder and uh they got some big league chew.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's football. Is this a big big league chew?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
That's just all they could get value in those draft picks.
That's the way it goes in the NFL NBA. These
teams are just like first round picks. They're like making
it rain with first round picks. They're just like, yeah,
go for it, Yeah, no problem. Four unprotected first round
picks and a first round pick swap for Desmond Bane. Wow,
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that is a heavy price tag. And the other thing
that blows my mind before we get to the NBA
finals comparison, is that these are future picks.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Who knows what's.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Going to happen with these teams that make these trades
down the road. For instance, look at look at the
Brooklyn Nets making the deal for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant
goes to the Phoenix Suns and Brooklyn gets a bunch
of picks in return. Now look at the Suns. Now,
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what are they gonna do. They're gonna move KD again.
And what's gonna happen with the Suns? Well, they're gonna
lose a lot more games. They were winning many games
with KD. Imagine if they move Booker and completely reset
and totally bottom out. All of a sudden, these draft
picks are premium picks.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
That's what's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It's like, yeah, take our twenty forty seven first round pick.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
What a week care?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
It's like, well, if that turns into a top five pick,
you should care. That's what happened with the Nets in reverse. Remember,
the Nets made the deal to trade for a couple
of Celtics at the time, Paul Pierce and Kevin Durant
famous trade. They traded first round picks, some pick swaps,
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and and shockingly, old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Gartnett
played like old Paul Pierce and old Kevin Gardnett. They
didn't win many games, and all of a sudden those
picks became really valuable. Nets aren't winning many games. Turned
into a third overall pick which was used for Jalen Brown,
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and it turned into a first overall pick, and the
Celtics traded down to number three and still drafted Jason Tatum.
Those picks turned into Tatum and Brown, and the Nets
are like, yeah, let's get Paul Pierson KG, let's go.
They're like, here's the first rounder, here's another first rounder,
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here's a pick swap.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, sounds great.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
The Celtics are like, okay, cool, well, weset our whole
franchise with this trade. And so that's what I think
at least has the possibility of happening. Another good example
would be present day. Look at the Milwaukee Bucks trading
for Damian Lillard. Think about Portland who made that deal.
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They didn't want to let Dame go, but they had to.
Dame was ready to compete for a championship. The Blazers
were resetting. They were gonna be nowhere close to competing
for a championship. Now look where things are. Dame got hurt,
jacked up his achilles. Now we don't know if Jannis
is gonna be back. What if Jannis is gone, Look
at that roster, even with Giannis on it, they're basically
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the Westbrook Thunder right now.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
If Jannis is back this year.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Surrounded by a below average supporting cast at best, Giannis
is gonna go freaking ballistic and the Bucks are gonna
lose a good amount of games. It's just a matter
of time until the Bucks deal Yannis.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
They should do it this offseason.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Maybe they dragged their feet and they do it next
off season. Whatever it happens, the Bucks are resetting. So
the point is if the Bucks have no Yiannis and
now they're really bottoming out and they're really trying to reset, hey,
let's try to Let's try to recoup some of these
draft picks. Let's just move all of our other assets
and reset completely. Well, all of a sudden, if they
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bought them out, those picks sent to Portland, those become
premium picks. So it's just blows my mind that team
after team after team is still willing to make these deals.
I get it, if you get a true superstar, the
top ten player, fine, Desmond Bane is not close to
a top ten player, and you're giving away these draft
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picks like no big deal. And this is where I
would bring it back to the NBA finals, because we
tend to act that only lottery picks pan out in
the NBA, and it's just not true. If you look
at these finals, it's a good example of some quote
unquote non premium picks paying big dividends just for the now.
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Some of these players were traded to the Pacers traded
to the thunder SGA. Best example, shake Gildes Alexander, Say
shake gild Just Alexander the league MVP traded by the Clippers.
Two okase, but he was an eleventh overall pick, you know,
outside the top ten. Still a lottery pick, but outside
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the top ten. You look at some of these other
guys that Jalen Williams just went for forty points in
game five. He's a twelfth overall draft pick. Bottom of
the lottery right there, twelfth overall. You think the twelfth
overall pick. Whoever has the twelfth overall pick and this
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year's draft is like, oh baby, let's go. This is
a premium pick. They're like, man, this sucks. We'll have
the twelfth overall pick. Too bad we didn't luck out
and get higher in the lottery with the you know,
with that thing going on, you can find quality in
this area, and we act like you can't. If you
look at some other guys like Lou Dort, great defensive player,
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the Dorcher Chamber. Alex Caruso has made his impact felt
in these in this final series. Both lou Dort and
Alex Caruso are undrafted guys. They weren't even drafted, and
teams are thrown away draft picks like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's just like this is like a rest stop, toilet.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Paper or something like, oh gosh, that's the worst, now man,
Some of these these picks, like these non premium picks,
can turn into premium players. Pascal Siakam twenty seventh overall pick.
He's made a big impact in the finals and the
playoffs as a whole. So I just I don't understand
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why these teams do it time and time and time again.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
The Rudy Gobert trade.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You look at some of these trades like they sent
a bunch of players, four first round picks.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
For Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
They sent Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverly, Jared Vanderbilt, the rights
to Walker Kessler to the Jazz Walker Kessler is he
can play, and all these first round picks. Hey, listen,
I'll meet you halfway. Maybe a team like the Timberwolves.
They look like they're gonna be good for years to come.
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Maybe the twenty twenty seven first round pick doesn't turn
out to be a premium pick. Maybe the top five
protected twenty twenty nine pick doesn't turn out to be
an awesome pick right, I'll meet you halfway. But what
if it does? It has with other teams and other instances.
And I look at Orlando and it's like, yeah, Desmond
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Bane makes you better, But is he worth that price tag?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Man, it's a heavy price tag. It's like if if.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I went out and I bought I always use my
car as an example.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I have a Nissan Altima. Love my Nissan Altima. If
I went out and bought a new.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Nissan Ultima for seventy five thousand dollars, what would you
guys say to me?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You'd be like, what are you doing? Why would you do?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
It's too much. They're not saying the car sucks. They're
not saying, oh, why would you be caught dead in
a Nissan Ultimate. They're just saying it's not worth that much,
which is accurate. That's how I feel about the Desmond
Baiden trade. I'm not telling you Desmond Bain can't play.
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He can play.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
He's a very good three point shooter.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I thought he gave the Grizzly some juice. He might
do the same for Orlando. But the price tag is like, WHOA, Really,
that's a pretty heavy price tag.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
For a non All Star. It's like Michel Bridges.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's what the Knicks when they dealt for Michel Bridges,
they dealt players and five future first round picks, including
four unprotected. There's a pick swap in there. There's a
future second round pick swap in there. Like again, mckel
Bridges can play. It's a good player, but man, that's
a lot. And I think there are two ways to
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look at the Thunder and the Pacers, which in my
mind ties into this Desmond Bane trade. If we're just
looking at trades in general, you could look at the
Pacers and the Thunder and say, well, hey, the Thunder
they traded for Shay Gilgess, Alexander, they traded for alex Caruso,
they traded for Isaiah Hartenstein. So they've they've made trades
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that have involved draft picks. But I would counter that with, well, yeah,
but the Thunder we're trading for gilgis Alexander and a
bunch of draft picks. They're the ones getting the draft picks,
not giving the draft picks. There's a huge difference right there.
That was the Paul George deal. Okay, see you guy,
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like five first rounders and Shay that's insanity, right, So
it's not just that you traded for a guy. It
might be that you got a bunch of picks along
with that guy, just like Okase did. If you look
at the Pacers, yeah, they've made a couple of trades
with impact players. Tyresaliburton, Pascal Siakam, TJ McConnell. They've traded
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for these guys. They traded for Obie Toppin, right, So
these guys get minutes, they make a big impact. There's
a big reason why this team is.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
In the NBA Finals.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So you could look at it from that perspective, but
I look at it as man when you just start
looking at this, Tyres Saliburton twelfth overall pick, Andrew Nemhard
gets minutes for the Pacers thirty first overall pick. He's
a second rounder again, Siakam twenty overall pick. These guys
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make an impact and you're just giving draft picks away
like they don't matter at all. Granted, it's hard to
find an impact payer player with the twenty seventh overall pick.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's not easy, but it can happen.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And I don't know why teams give away these picks
as if it never happens.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It's just odd to me.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I think the price tag is too high in a
lot of these moves that aren't.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Even involving all stars. That's one thing.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
If you get a stud, you get a star player,
you don't even have an all star and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Moving all of that. Okay, all right, now you can
chalk it up to these are going to be low
first round picks. Well, guess what.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Sometimes low first round picks turn into players that get
minutes start like make impacts. So I just think the
price tag a little bit too heavy.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
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Speaker 4 (28:55):
Now, this is something that has definitely caught my attention.
Is Rory McElroy. Okay, so our guy, Rory, he is
taking a weenie route, is what I would say. He
is dodging the media, which I think is just weak.
So this goes back to what we just saw at
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the US Open. And also if you go backwards to
last month's PGA Championship, so here's the backstory, and this
isn't just a Rory McElroy thing. Maybe you don't care
about Rory. Maybe you don't care about golf, that's fine,
But this to me is way bigger than that. This
is athletes speaking to the media, right, Like, do you
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think that they should speak to the media. Now, the
PGA Tour does not require their golfers to speak to
the media, so you.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Might remember this.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
It was a couple of months ago where what was it,
Colin Morikawa he came out and said, I don't think
I need to speak to you guys, And at that
point Rory McElroy backed him up and said he's right.
And so Rory, he's dodged the media. He dodged the
media for six straight rounds in majors. He didn't speak
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to the media all throughout the PGA Championships. That was
four straight days no talking to the media, And he
skipped out on the media on the first two days
of the US Open this past weekend, right, so he
didn't talk to him Thursday, didn't talk to him Friday.
He graced the media with his presence and his words
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as only Lord Rory McElroy can do.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
He was asked about this on Saturday and one of
the media members he said, you haven't met with the
media after the last six major rounds. Here, Is it
because you're frustrated on the golf course? Right, Like Rory
has not been playing well, and so the media guy
was like, is it because of the.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Way you're playing. Here's what Rory said, No.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Not really, it's more of frustration with you guys.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Okay, So he's ticked off at the media. Frustrated with
the media. So either the same or a different media member,
I'm not quite sure. The follow up question was in
what way? In what way are you ticked off at us?
Here's what Rory said.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I'm just.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I have been totally
available for the last few years, and I'm not saying
maybe not you guys, but maybe more just the the whole,
the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Okay, so the whole thing, the whole you know, answering questions, talking,
promoting the game of golf. You know, Jesus over it.
It's basically what he just said, that's kind of over it.
Maybe it's not you. Maybe another think that I don't
hate you directly, maybe just this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Maybe that's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
So there's another question, question, is this about the driver controversy?
So the driver controversy very shortly. This goes back to
the PGA Championship last month. He had a club that
failed testing and was removed from his bag. So maybe
he didn't like the coverage of that. He didn't like
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what was said or written about that. So that's what
is it? Something about the driver controversy. Here's what Rory said, Yeah, part.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Of Yeah, I mean that was.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
That was a part of it. Yeah, that was that
was That was a part of it. But it's not
as I flake at Augusta. I skipt you guys on Thursday.
So yeah, again, it's not as if it's it's not
out of the ordinary. I've I've done it before.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Okay, all right, now this is the part. Let's take
a time out for a second. This is exactly what
a bad partner would say, right.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
He said it a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
He's like, I've been around pretty much all the time
the last two years, all the time, whenever you want
to talk, I talk to you guys. And then he
just said it right there. He's like, I didn't skip
out on Thursday at Augusta.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
If your partner says to you, my girlfriend says to me, like, hey,
you haven't taken the trash out.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
For six straight weeks? What's up with that?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
A bad partner would say, well, what about seven weeks ago?
Huh who took the trash out? Then that's right, it
was me. I was taking the trash out seven weeks ago.
It's like, we're talking about the last six weeks though,
where you didn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's what we're talking about here. But Rory is like, well,
what about Augusta on Thursday? Yeah, I know I didn't
talk to you guys.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
All throughout the PGA Championship, didn't talk to you one time.
I know I skipped out on you the first two
days here at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
But I'm talking to you now like that.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
That's what a bad partner in a relationship says. They
don't admit anything they've done wrong, and they just shift
the focus to an area that they did do well
in and don't address their faults at all. That's what
a bad partner says. And that's exactly what Rory McElroy
just said. Now there was another follow up question. The
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reporter's like, hey, after really, and this is true. Rory
McElroy has really been front and center promoting the PGA Tour.
Standing up for the PGA Tour largely done a great job,
and the reporter was just like, are you kind of
just tired of that? Are you tired of doing that?
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And that's why you want to dodge these questions? Do
you feel like you've earned the right to dodge these questions?
Here's what Rory said.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
I feel like I've earned the right to do whatever
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
There it is.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
That's the money quote right there, that explains everything, right, Yes,
I feel like I can do whatever that he's going
Denzel in training Day, I'm the man of bitness piece
is basically what Rory is saying. And this is where
it becomes weak and lame, Like whatever the reasons are
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and whatever the backstory is, why Rory is bent or
doesn't want to deal with the media or the end
result is weak. Dotching questions is weak. The truth is like,
meeting with the media and answering questions is good for
the sport. It promotes the game, It helps build drama
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for the next event or the current event. Why do
you think the media talks to players? Why do you
think players interviews and sound bites are aired all the
freaking time, on radio, on TV, because athletes from time
to time say some interesting things and it helps spruce
up that current event or the next event. So dodging
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those sessions might be great for Rory, but it isn't
great for the sport.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's the truth.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And you can try to argue against that and poke
holes in it and say, oh, but Brian, does it
really build drama? Is it really necessary? Blah blah blah.
It's like, yeah, athletes at times say some colorful things.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
They might call out an opponent.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
They might say something like Rory has said some very
candid things about live golf, and you're like, oh man,
I can't wait to see what happens in this next
major based on what Rory just said. It is back
and forth with Bryson Deshamba. Some of that is really
spruced up some of these matchups, like oh man, they're
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gonna be in the final pair together, like wow, and
here's the whole backstory. It helps promote the game and
it helps build drama. Some of my favorite drama building
moment like this is before the Super Bowl. I'll never
forget Shannon Sharp and Rabe Bucannon. So Shannon Sharp then
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at the Broncos rab Buchanon then of the Falcons. There's
a portion of some of their back and forth before
the game. Here's Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
I've never called anybody ugly? Do I think people ugly?
I think he ugged me.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
But I never fit that. You just did. He started it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That's gold right there.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
By the way, late nineties audio left a lot to
be desired. Rights in the background. It sounds like there's
a monsoon in the background. It's just horrid nineties audio,
but still great. Nevertheless, this is Raye Buchanon and some
of the critical things he said about Shannon Sharp again
top notch stuff.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
He might have a body though, everybody laying everybody to
be like, ooh Shannon.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
But I'm telling you what, man, you got a grill
like that?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Man?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
I mean total reconstruction.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Okay, now this is the best one. This is Shannon
Sharp again, colorful sound bites. You're telling me you weren't
more interested to watch Super Bowl thirty three with the
war of words between these guys. Come on, this is
why they do it. This is why you interview athletes.
This is Shannon Sharp again to drop the mike moment,
talking about Raebu Cannon.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
I'm not gonna get into a p and content with
you lose every time, but I will say this all
suddeny he get an opportunity tobacco what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
If he my friend?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Did I ever view him as a friend?
Speaker 6 (38:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Did I have view him other than acquaint No? Do
I like him?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
No?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
If I see him in a snowstorm.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
His trucket broke down, mine is going perfectly.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Would I pick him up? No? Rather than that. Other
than that, I could care left about raeby Cannon.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
That's tremendous, and he said it within there is like
he's got a chance to back up his words on Sunday.
You're telling me you've never heard a SoundBite from an
athlete and been more interested to watch the next event.
That's a flat out lie. If that's what you say, Like,
that's why these leagues and the PGA two are. That's
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why they want their athletes to meet with the media
and say things because it helps promote the sport and
build drama for the next event or the current event.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
That's something Rory just doesn't want to do.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And listen, I might feel the same way, but you
can't lose sight of the big picture. I can understand
an athlete having some ill will toward the media. Maybe
someone wrote something crazy or said something crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You just don't want to do it. Rory had he
filed for divorce.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
And then he was able to reconcile with his wife, Erica,
And there are a lot of people that said a
lot of things and wrote a lot of things that
Rory might not have liked. I might feel the same
exact way if I was in the same position. But
I would look at it and say, even though this
is good.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
For me, I don't want to deal with the media.
It's bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
It's bigger than just some personal beef or bad blood.
It's about bringing more attention to the sport of golf.
That's the why why you even do these interviews in
the first place. And Rory's forgotten that. He's completely forgotten that,
and that's too bad. And I'll be honest with you.
If they had some sort of like post radio show
(40:12):
press conference, I wouldn't want to do it. I'd probably
want to skip it. But if it helped bring in
more listeners and it helped build the ratings, it'd be
a necessary evil. I would do it even though I
didn't want to. If after the show it was just
like a postgame press conference, right, Like Rory finishes around
(40:35):
at the US Open and he's meeting with the media,
they might be like, hey, man, why were you terrible
on the eleventh toll or whatever. If someone was like,
you know, it's a press conference and they're like, all right,
Brian filling in for big Ben Maller, here your second segment, Like.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Wow, what went wrong?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
And I have to answer those questions like, well, you know, honestly,
I thought it was a good topic. Maybe I had
a weird example or as a little wordy getting to
the point, but you know, I'm just talking it up
to a learning experience, right. If I had to do
that after every show, yeah, I'd probably dread it. But again,
(41:12):
if it helped the overall network, it helped the ratings,
it built excitement from time to time for the next show,
you gotta do it. It's bigger than just you. It's
about who you're working for. And Rory McElroy is working
for the PGA Tour and has just forgotten that the
(41:37):
PGA Tour matters here in this equation. He's forgotten that
it's all about him. It's me, me, me, me me.
That's what Rory McIlroy is doing. And it's weak, it's lame,
not a fan of it, and his reasons are even
worse than that.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
This is all you need to know.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
I feel like I've earned the right to do whatever
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's telling right there.
Host
Ben Maller
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