August 7, 2025 • 29 mins
Brian Noe is in for Big Ben and talks about the mixed signals coming from the Browns and the people that cover them on Shedeur Sanders, the negative buzz surrounding J.J. McCarthy in training camp, the Bengals trying to fix their chronic slow starts to the season, and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
You know, there's a story with Shador Sanders starting the
first preseason game for the Cleveland Browns, and like, big picture,
I've got all this sound, all these angles, all this stuff,
But before we get to any of that, right before
the show, I just kind of paused and I thought about,
(00:53):
I'm really just trying to get to the truth of things,
you know, for the most part, from topic to top.
But I really just want to try to figure out
what the truth actually is. And I think that's important
because in this day and age, there's a lot of
stuff where you get these I don't know, like these
(01:13):
look at me type takes where you know you're gonna
get a reaction and you know people are gonna eat
it up, and hey, that might be good on one
side in terms of, you know, your relevancy and maybe
your paycheck and all that stuff, but that might get
you further away from the truth. I never want to
stray so far away from the truth that I don't
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understand what it even is, you know. So with the
Shador Sanders story, starting with the Browns on Friday night,
they're at the Carolina Panthers, it's a weird story. We'll
start with the depth chart was released a little bit
earlier this week. Chaduur is QB four. He's looking up
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at Dylan Gabriel, another fellow rookie, Kenny Pickett, Joe Flacco.
So Shadur is QB four and at least for this
preseason game on Friday, he's QB one. Okay, it's not unprecedented,
but a little odd, little odd right there, So you
take that into account. Now, the audio I want to
(02:20):
play this could not be more different. The first piece
of audio you here is from ESPN's Lewis Riddick, and
he was on Get Up and he's got his view
on man Chadeur is in a really rough spot. And
then you'll hear from Mary Kay Cabot, who has covered
the Browns for a long long time, has done a
(02:41):
great job over the years, and their two opinions could
not differ more so. First, let's start with Lewis Riddick.
He's basically saying, like, man, what are the Browns doing here? Exactly?
Starting Shaduur. He hasn't gotten many reps. It's an uphill battle,
so forth and so on. Here's Lou and what he
says about you Door.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
gonna ask him to perform these heroic tasks in order
to prove that he's worthy of being a starter when
he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable. That's
the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I know.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I've seen it, Tom, You've seen it. We've been in
these camps. We know how that goes. You don't get
enough reps. They play a whole half of a game
and then all of a sudden, coaches are going, why
are you making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Why are you.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Doing that technique? Well, damn, coach, I never was in
there in practice. You never even talked to me during practice,
but now you expect me to know. That's what they're
gonna expect of him. But if anyone can get it done,
it's this kid because he's been trained the right way.
But I'm telling you he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
He just is.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And every time you hear this organization talk, you get
that feel.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Hmm okay, interesting take. He's basically calling, you know, it
a setup. Maybe it's as far as sabotage right with
a little Beastie Boys reference right there. Now. This is
Mary Kay Cabot again has covered the Browns for a
long time. Listen to what she says about Shauldur starting
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on Friday.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I do think that they are doing this the right
way with him and making sure that he is successful
as he comes up the learning curve, and they're flying
in the face of what everybody wants them to do.
But they have stuck to their guns and they're not
succumbing to media pressure and public pressure and fan pressure.
They're not doing that. They're doing what's right for Should Doure,
(04:29):
and people have to understand that they're doing what's right
for the football team and for Should.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Doure uh huh, Okay, like listen, I don't know. That
might be her real opinion, that might be her real report.
I mean, I just got to call it like I
see it. That just sounds like you're carrying the water
for the Cleveland Browns, does it?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Not?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That whole I don't know how long that was. That
was about twenty eight seconds from Mary Kay Cabot. If
you typed out every word she just said and you
handed it to the Browns organization and they proof read
it and they're like, okay, doing everything doing yep. They
they won't succumb to public pressure. That's right. All these
people are like, don't play Chador. They take an eat. No, no, no, no,
(05:17):
We're not gonna cave the public pressure out. We're gonna
play the guy. We're gonna do what's right. Yep, like it,
thumbs up and checking every box. That just seems like
the Browns would have signed off on everything she just said,
So it could not be more polar opposite views of
what's going on with the Browns and Shadeur Sanders. Here's
what I think. I think that I think that lou
(05:43):
Is onto a little something but took it too far.
That's what I think where Shador is in a tough spot.
Let's just cut to that point. Chador is in a
rough spot. Think about it. They've got five quarterbacks in
camp right now for the Browns. They signed Tyler Huntley
because Chaduur and Kenny Pickett, some of the quarterbacks are
(06:04):
dealing with injuries, so they signed another quarterback and they're
dividing up the reps even more. Saw a screenshot of
the reps in practice on Wednesday. They had stats for
five guys. They had all their I couldn't believe it.
The QB Tracker training camp on Wednesday, August sixth, Flacco
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is eight for thirteen, Shaduur is four for seven, Pickett
is five for seven, and so forth and so on.
I can't do it. I can't break down all these numbers.
But the point is Shaduur Sanders is not getting a
ton of reps. He's not getting many reps with the
first string offense. That puts him in a rough spot
to start a game in the preseason. So let's just
(06:47):
recognize that before we go any further. Now, when lou
loses me, even though Shadur is skating uphill, he makes
it sound like that's what the organization wants. They want
to put him in a spot where he doesn't have
as much seasoning as he should. Maybe they throw him
in the deep end of the pool before he's ready,
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and he's gonna have to do something heroic to earn
a starting job, or to earn more reps, to earn
more preseason starts. He's gonna have to do something that
he's probably not ready to do. And that's the position
that they want to put him in. They basically want
him to fail. That's what Lewis Riddick is saying. I
don't agree with that at all. I think some organizations
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are just dumb. That's what I think. The truth is,
some organizations are just dumb. The Browns are the poster
child for a dumb organization. They've done so many dumb
things over the years. You know the famous jersey that
has all the names of all the failed quarterbacks throughout
the years. They've had a lot to do with those failures.
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They've made a lot of horrible decisions. And I don't
think that they want Sanders to fail. What's the gain?
How do they benefit from that? That just doesn't make
any sense to me. I don't see how they gain
anything by doing that. I just think that they've got
this clunky situation where they have five quarterbacks in camp.
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The reps are getting divided up. Instead of having fewer quarterbacks,
with more reps and you get more seasoning, right, more
training all. It's training camp, right, and they don't have
that for Shaduer. But it doesn't mean they want him
to fail. You could look at many other organizations and
say they did things pretty clunky. Doesn't mean they want
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the quarterback to fail.
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Speaker 3 (09:22):
So sterling sharp. He was talking about the one big
beef he has with the Packers organization. Okay, so now
he's talking about having career ending next surgery. All right,
that's the time frame that we're in. It stems back
to that time. And so listen to what he says
(09:46):
about the Packers' organization and how he thought they weren't
there for him at that time when he was gonna
have career ending next surgery. Here you go.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Here's the only thing that the Packers did that bothered me. Right,
Not one person called to say, how'd your surgery go?
Because they're fixing my spine. I could I could roll
out of there and never walk again. I could die
on the operating table. Not one person from the organization said, hey,
(10:15):
you know, how'd your surgery go?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Not the code.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Now, one person from the organization was like, hey, look man, god,
we'll pull them for you. You know, let us know
if you need anything. Not one person in the organization.
I don't think you understand that. Player, trainer, front office, cod, damn.
No one. That's the only thing that bothered me. Not
(10:37):
one player, not one player, And it was so funny
that I never thought about it until the Hall of
Fame happened. And when the Hall of Fame happened, Now
I start to hear from people in the organization, and
I'm saying to myself, how do I feel about that?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Honestly?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Like, you know what, when I is that my proverbial
lowest never hurt me what you would perceive as my highest,
I really don't need to hear from me.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Wow, interesting stuff right where I get it from his
standpoint and listen, you had to condense that. It's like
a four minute thing. And so there are some bits
and pieces in there where Sterling Sharp is saying, hey, man,
I get it. It's the end of the season. Players
go their separate ways. The organization starts thinking about what's next.
(11:33):
What are we going to do in the off season,
what's our game plan? You know, we might have babies
that are being born, We're going on vacation here there,
like everybody just goes their separate ways. So he's like,
I get it. I get it to a degree. But
you can tell that that bothered him, and he would
say at times he's like, I'm not disappointed I'm not hurt,
and it's like, I think you are. I think and
(11:55):
you have a reason to be. I don't think there's
anything wrong with saying like, man, that was that was rough.
I didn't hear from one soul, not one person, And uh,
I just thought that was an interesting take. I had
to share that with you guys, because I guess that's
the broader version of this.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Is that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It's I think it's hard for athletes to really buy
in to the team aspect when so many times the
business shows you that a lot of times you're just
on your own, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's
the bigger takeaway from this. How many times have you
heard players as like I didn't hear from my own
(12:39):
own organization that I was traded, that I was released.
I caught it on Twitter. I saw a tweet about it.
I saw it on Sports Center. They didn't even bother
to tell me I was released, had no clue like
stuff like that. How can you if that's on your resume,
that's you know, something that you've experienced along the way,
(13:04):
and you're on your new team. Now, how do you
fully buy in to team? Team, team, team, everything's team?
How many times do you hear, especially about the NFL,
it's a business. You hear that about pro sports all
the time, NBA, MLB, it's a business. There's some stuff
that's cutthroat, that as cold as it can be, Like,
how do you buy in? How do you not develop
(13:27):
this mentality of like, man, I got to look out
for myself first and foremost, cause that's what the business
does to you. It teaches you lessons the hard way.
And I feel like some organizations just get the simplest
thing things wrong. How do you not reach out to
Sterling Sharp? Not one person like, hey, bro, this is
(13:47):
next surgery, let us know if you need anything, just
wanted to check in? How'd everything go?
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Not?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
How do you get that wrong? And I'm sure everybody's
looking at everybody like man, one of us should checked in,
like a lot of you should have checked in. I
don't know how an organization messes up simple things. A
lot of it's just common decency, it's just common courtesy.
You know, if your friend was going in for next surgery,
(14:17):
you'd probably show that person that you cared in some way,
shape or form. Right, it's a simple thing.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
Well, see, I have some thoughts on this, Brian. Okay,
And I'm glad you said that right there, because I
had not heard this sound clip before and listening to it.
And while I agree with the correlation that you're making
about teams kind of treating it way too much like
a business and you know, guys finding out that they
got traded through social media. I get that because with
(14:44):
things like that, like trades, there's only certain number of
people in the organization that know about it anyway, and
they're the ones. You know, it's a lot easier for
you know, four or five, six to you know, ten
guys to look at it like this is a business
and and you know, we got to keep this under
wrapped for whatever reason. But then when it comes to
(15:05):
what Sterling Sharp was saying in that SoundBite, my initial
reaction was one of two things. Either one, he's over
exaggerating and there was somebody that reached out to him,
or number two, he's an a hole, you know, like
how okay, because I would get maybe, you know, you
(15:26):
might want somebody from like some higher up in the
organization to reach out to you, the team president, GM, whatever,
and they might not and that might be cold. And
I can understand that happening. But he said not a
single person, not a trainer, not a teammate, nothing. So
he didn't cultivate any relationships while on the team to
where somebody would like reach out and know that he
(15:47):
was going into surgery that day. I think that says
more about him as a person, or or he's over
exaggerating and he's just not thinking of you know, the
equipment manager who actually did shoot him at text, you know,
like all right, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No, I hear what you're saying. That would be funny
if you get all these X packers that were like,
what the hell is he talking about? I called him
four times before surgery after surgery. But the other part
of I'm trying to think of some of the like
all time a holes of the NFL. Right, like to
(16:24):
think of some players that had a REP that were
disliked by a lot of their teammates, Like whatever your
short list is, Aaron Rodgers comes to mind. Right. Not
every teammate is fond of Aaron Rodgers. He's been a
diva at times, you know, all that sort of stuff.
But not everybody is anti Rodgers. There are some dudes
(16:45):
that will ride and die with Aaron Rodgers, You know
what I mean. And I think that's the case for
a lot of people in the NFL, where certainly they
they ruffle feathers, they have their enemies, maybe even on
their own team they have they're detractors and all that's earned,
but typically not the entire organization is against you, like
(17:09):
a unified decision. Like, man, this freaking guy defines a
hole like he's walking. I just can't buy that. Sterling
Sharp was that guy. There isn't one person that's on
board to even a to the point where they're like
reaching out. He's having neck surgery, his career is over.
I just can't imagine he was that hard to get
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along with and everyone was just nope, out on this guy, no,
thank you. I just don't think it rises to that level. Man,
that would be an extreme case of aholeness. If there
is such, you know a term, we'll just invent one
right there. But I get it, I get where while
your head went there, I just don't think that's the case.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Well, then then you just got to say that you know,
there's a couple one hundred people on the packers organization
that then they're all a holes, like not one reached out.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I think it's one.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
I mean I guess, well, you know what we're talking
you know, nineteen ninety something, so I guess there wasn't
really it was, right, Well, that's true text messaging, Like, yeah,
they take that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Into account, right, Yeah. The time period we're talking about
is like, yeah, this is pre cell phones. We're not texting,
we're not on Facebook, we're not dming.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's just so so much easier to get in touch
with people. I mean, you can relate to this, right,
like a lot of people. You know, I'm a little
older than you, Coop, but you're old enough where when
the great school Year was over, you just went your
separate ways.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Yeah, yeah, and you didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Communicate with anyone until you were back at school with
them again. You didn't see them, They just weren't involved
in your lives at all, because that's just.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
The time it was, right, might not even recognized them.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, right, like if you were unless you were friends
and you were gonna hang out or see them that way,
you just didn't see or communicate with anyone until you
were physically together again back at school or whatever. Right,
So yeah, that part of it that does make some sense.
You did add have a house line, you know, you
could you could reach out to people even at that time.
(19:23):
But yeah, we are talking his career ended in nineteen
ninety four. That that's a much different day and age
than now with cell phones and social media and all
that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
So, I mean, you know what, I I didn't initially
take that into account with my with my take the
you know, having to actually call somebody on the phone
and either talk to them or you know, leave leave
a voicemail.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah right, the old answering machines and all that. Sure, Yeah,
but you could have you could have done that. I
think what happened was, you know, the season ended, you
went your separate ways. Probably hearing this from Sterling Sharp,
I would bet Coop. I bet there are a lot
of people players, trainers, front office members, a part of
that packers organization that heard that and felt like, wow,
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he's totally right. How did I not reach out? It's
a simple phone call, like hey man, thinking about you,
everything good post surgery. They're probably like, I should have
done that at least? What was I doing? Like, sometimes
you don't mean anything by it, and you just don't
do something you should do. I think that very easily
could have been the case.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
No, I think you're right because I'm thinking about me
and my like if you know, putting those shoes on.
I I'm the type of person that will reach out.
But it's so easy to shoot a text message and
be like, hey, man, how's it going. Yeah, yeah, you
doing okay? But if I had to like actually call
and talk to them on the phone.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Right, I know, right, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, no, no doubt.
But man, when you didn't even know what text messaging was,
you know, that's different to I can see now that
you're protext and talking, but when your only option was talking,
wasn't as bad, Like it was a pretty good option
at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I hate man,
(21:12):
interesting stuff there, but we'll see. I would love to
know if any former packers from that time, if they
make any statements, you know, just keep your your ears open,
eyes open. If anybody goes on a podcast or something
and says, yeah, he was right, man, I should have
reached out to him, like my bad on that. There
was a drop of the ball by me. But I
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can understand why Sterling Sharp would would feel like that,
you know, what's funny too, last little layer I'll mention,
as guys, there's something in you that doesn't want to
be completely vulnerable. You could hear like I had to
whittle it down from four minutes, but it's it's littered
with not one person reached out. And then he'd be like,
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I'm not mad. I mean I'm not even disappointed really,
and it's like, no, you are. You just don't want
to admit that because there's something in our DNA where
you just can't. You can't show vulnerability, you can't show weakness.
But it hurt him, and it's understandably so that it
hurt him. It's just hard to say that. It's it's
(22:17):
hard for guys to just be like, man, that really
hurt bad because he's just kind of like manly. It
doesn't even really bother me. Really, I han't thought about
it until the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Now, really,
I hadn't thought about that for like what thirty years
had crossed your mind one time? Okay, you know, but
(22:39):
hey man, that's a you got to you gotta read
through the guylines from time to time.
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Speaker 3 (22:49):
So I think this is a much needed change for
the Cincinnati Bengals. They are going to play their starters,
uh maybe several reps Thursday night, you know, so a
little bit later today we get some NFL action. You'll
see Joe Burrow out there. The head coach, Zach Taylor.
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He talked about several series potentially for some of the starters.
So I don't know how much time they're gonna get,
but Joe Burrow is expected to play, some of the
ones are expected to play. And I think this makes
a lot of sense because what's the what's the bugaboo
with the Bengals, It's how slowly they start their notoriously
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slow starters. They lost to the Patriots in Week one
last season. It was a big upset. It was Drod
Mayo's first game as a head coach. Like, Bengals are
huge home favorites and they lose, and the Patriots won
three more games the entire season, you know, and Jerrod
Mayo got fired. That team that fired their first year
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head coach beat the Bengals in Week one, and Joe
Burrow in his career in weeks one and two. His
record is one and nine. That's what he is weeks
one and two in his NFL career. That is stunning.
That is alarmingly low for a guy that's had as
much success as Joe Burrow has had in the NFL.
(24:20):
And the numbers, like you see some of these graphics
that they put up there, and it's just like, holy cow,
is passer ratings way lower. We're talking like twenty three
points lower in weeks one and two compared to weeks
that are not one in two, right like weeks three
through eighteen, his passer rating is one oh four point five.
(24:43):
His passer rating weeks one and two eighty one point nine.
And then touchdowns, interceptions, completion percentage, all that stuff. Yardsburg
game like, there's something too Joe Burrow and the Bengals
starters not playing in the preseason. So what's the definition
of insanity like doing the same thing over and over
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and expecting a different result. If the Bengals are just like, yeah,
let's just keep not playing our starters in the preseason,
and well, I mean, hopefully we'll just magically get off
to a better start, even though we suck year in
and year out in the first two weeks of the season.
It's like, you could either do that or I don't know,
(25:24):
maybe play your starters a little bit more in the preseason.
Maybe you're able to hit the ground running when the
regular season rolls around. I do think there's something to it.
I just don't I don't buy that there's zero value
whatsoever with playing your starters in the preseason. I think
(25:44):
it's swung too far in that direction. I mentioned this
last night. The Chiefs. They play their starters like Mahomes
he plays in the preseason. If there was no value whatsoever,
why on earth would Andy Reid have his starters on
the field. He has him on the field because there
is some value. I don't want to oversell it and
(26:07):
make it sound like, hey, if you don't play your
starters in the preseason, your season is doomed. Your destined
to get off to a slow start. I'm not saying that.
But for a team like the Bengals, who have notoriously
started slowly for years now, it's like, why don't you
try it, Why don't you try a different approach, Play
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the ones more often in the preseason, and maybe that
can have a positive effect with not starting as slowly
when the regular season rolls around. I think that makes
a ton of sense. So Joe Burrow and the other starters,
maybe several series on Thursday night, the preseason opener at
the Eagles. Get the Bengals and Eagles on Thursday nights,
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So hey, man, sign me up if the starters are playing.
I love getting a little taste of the starters a
series or two. Just see him again, you know, see
what they're looking like. Does anybody flash. They're not game planning,
so I'm not gonna read too deeply into it, but
every now and then a starter will flash, and it's like, oh, okay,
(27:12):
all right, that's something to take away the golden rule
of preseason, like who's on the field, Like how many
starters are there? Let's not overreact. If it's the starting
offense against the backup defense, that's a it's an easy
overreaction right there, right. But I also think that some
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things translate to the regular season, even if you are
facing backups. Every now and then, there's a certain scenario.
I'll give you one. So Amari and Hampton is a
rookie running back for the Chargers. He played in the
Hall of Fame Game. Just got a couple of rushes
and it was against mostly the Lions backup defense, so
you might think, oh, who cares he's facing backups. I
(27:54):
don't think everything is that clear cut. My brief spiel
on the preseason and okay, it depends. It's case by case.
If there's a number one wide receiver and he blows
by like a number two, number three cornerback, and the
quarterback's like, all right, my guy's opened by five steps.
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Like that's not going to translate to the regular season.
That's not the NFL. We all know that, and that
does happen in the preseason. And when people fall for that,
I'm like, oh my gosh, what are you doing? But
Amari and Hampton he had one carry in particular against
the Lions, and you you just tell the guys got burst,
(28:36):
he's got feel, he's got some juice. It was just
like this inside running play. They just kind of bounced
it outside and he found the opening, found the daylight
and got everything he could get. It was a good
rush and some of it's you know, connected to his
time at North Carolina and he had juice. Man Omarion
Hampton is legit. I think he's a really good running back.
(29:00):
But stuff like that, even against mostly backups, there are
times where you're like, Okay, yeah, that's gonna translate, that's
gonna work. So yeah, I do enjoy watching the preseason,
but man, when it gets to like backups against backups,
or the backups of the backups versus the backups of
the backups, that it's like, okay, all right, this is
(29:20):
a little rough. But when you get the starters in there, yeah,
sign me up.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Man.
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Burrow on Thursday night. I'll be checking that out.
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
You know, there's a story with Shador Sanders starting the
first preseason game for the Cleveland Browns, and like, big picture,
I've got all this sound, all these angles, all this stuff,
But before we get to any of that, right before
the show, I just kind of paused and I thought about,
(00:53):
I'm really just trying to get to the truth of things,
you know, for the most part, from topic to top.
But I really just want to try to figure out
what the truth actually is. And I think that's important
because in this day and age, there's a lot of
stuff where you get these I don't know, like these
(01:13):
look at me type takes where you know you're gonna
get a reaction and you know people are gonna eat
it up, and hey, that might be good on one
side in terms of, you know, your relevancy and maybe
your paycheck and all that stuff, but that might get
you further away from the truth. I never want to
stray so far away from the truth that I don't
(01:38):
understand what it even is, you know. So with the
Shador Sanders story, starting with the Browns on Friday night,
they're at the Carolina Panthers, it's a weird story. We'll
start with the depth chart was released a little bit
earlier this week. Chaduur is QB four. He's looking up
(01:59):
at Dylan Gabriel, another fellow rookie, Kenny Pickett, Joe Flacco.
So Shadur is QB four and at least for this
preseason game on Friday, he's QB one. Okay, it's not unprecedented,
but a little odd, little odd right there, So you
take that into account. Now, the audio I want to
(02:20):
play this could not be more different. The first piece
of audio you here is from ESPN's Lewis Riddick, and
he was on Get Up and he's got his view
on man Chadeur is in a really rough spot. And
then you'll hear from Mary Kay Cabot, who has covered
the Browns for a long long time, has done a
(02:41):
great job over the years, and their two opinions could
not differ more so. First, let's start with Lewis Riddick.
He's basically saying, like, man, what are the Browns doing here? Exactly?
Starting Shaduur. He hasn't gotten many reps. It's an uphill battle,
so forth and so on. Here's Lou and what he
says about you Door.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
gonna ask him to perform these heroic tasks in order
to prove that he's worthy of being a starter when
he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable. That's
the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I know.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I've seen it, Tom, You've seen it. We've been in
these camps. We know how that goes. You don't get
enough reps. They play a whole half of a game
and then all of a sudden, coaches are going, why
are you making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Why are you.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Doing that technique? Well, damn, coach, I never was in
there in practice. You never even talked to me during practice,
but now you expect me to know. That's what they're
gonna expect of him. But if anyone can get it done,
it's this kid because he's been trained the right way.
But I'm telling you he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
He just is.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And every time you hear this organization talk, you get
that feel.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Hmm okay, interesting take. He's basically calling, you know, it
a setup. Maybe it's as far as sabotage right with
a little Beastie Boys reference right there. Now. This is
Mary Kay Cabot again has covered the Browns for a
long time. Listen to what she says about Shauldur starting
(04:06):
on Friday.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I do think that they are doing this the right
way with him and making sure that he is successful
as he comes up the learning curve, and they're flying
in the face of what everybody wants them to do.
But they have stuck to their guns and they're not
succumbing to media pressure and public pressure and fan pressure.
They're not doing that. They're doing what's right for Should Doure,
(04:29):
and people have to understand that they're doing what's right
for the football team and for Should.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Doure uh huh, Okay, like listen, I don't know. That
might be her real opinion, that might be her real report.
I mean, I just got to call it like I
see it. That just sounds like you're carrying the water
for the Cleveland Browns, does it?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Not?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That whole I don't know how long that was. That
was about twenty eight seconds from Mary Kay Cabot. If
you typed out every word she just said and you
handed it to the Browns organization and they proof read
it and they're like, okay, doing everything doing yep. They
they won't succumb to public pressure. That's right. All these
people are like, don't play Chador. They take an eat. No, no, no, no,
(05:17):
We're not gonna cave the public pressure out. We're gonna
play the guy. We're gonna do what's right. Yep, like it,
thumbs up and checking every box. That just seems like
the Browns would have signed off on everything she just said,
So it could not be more polar opposite views of
what's going on with the Browns and Shadeur Sanders. Here's
what I think. I think that I think that lou
(05:43):
Is onto a little something but took it too far.
That's what I think where Shador is in a tough spot.
Let's just cut to that point. Chador is in a
rough spot. Think about it. They've got five quarterbacks in
camp right now for the Browns. They signed Tyler Huntley
because Chaduur and Kenny Pickett, some of the quarterbacks are
(06:04):
dealing with injuries, so they signed another quarterback and they're
dividing up the reps even more. Saw a screenshot of
the reps in practice on Wednesday. They had stats for
five guys. They had all their I couldn't believe it.
The QB Tracker training camp on Wednesday, August sixth, Flacco
(06:25):
is eight for thirteen, Shaduur is four for seven, Pickett
is five for seven, and so forth and so on.
I can't do it. I can't break down all these numbers.
But the point is Shaduur Sanders is not getting a
ton of reps. He's not getting many reps with the
first string offense. That puts him in a rough spot
to start a game in the preseason. So let's just
(06:47):
recognize that before we go any further. Now, when lou
loses me, even though Shadur is skating uphill, he makes
it sound like that's what the organization wants. They want
to put him in a spot where he doesn't have
as much seasoning as he should. Maybe they throw him
in the deep end of the pool before he's ready,
(07:09):
and he's gonna have to do something heroic to earn
a starting job, or to earn more reps, to earn
more preseason starts. He's gonna have to do something that
he's probably not ready to do. And that's the position
that they want to put him in. They basically want
him to fail. That's what Lewis Riddick is saying. I
don't agree with that at all. I think some organizations
(07:31):
are just dumb. That's what I think. The truth is,
some organizations are just dumb. The Browns are the poster
child for a dumb organization. They've done so many dumb
things over the years. You know the famous jersey that
has all the names of all the failed quarterbacks throughout
the years. They've had a lot to do with those failures.
(07:55):
They've made a lot of horrible decisions. And I don't
think that they want Sanders to fail. What's the gain?
How do they benefit from that? That just doesn't make
any sense to me. I don't see how they gain
anything by doing that. I just think that they've got
this clunky situation where they have five quarterbacks in camp.
(08:16):
The reps are getting divided up. Instead of having fewer quarterbacks,
with more reps and you get more seasoning, right, more
training all. It's training camp, right, and they don't have
that for Shaduer. But it doesn't mean they want him
to fail. You could look at many other organizations and
say they did things pretty clunky. Doesn't mean they want
(08:39):
the quarterback to fail.
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Speaker 3 (09:22):
So sterling sharp. He was talking about the one big
beef he has with the Packers organization. Okay, so now
he's talking about having career ending next surgery. All right,
that's the time frame that we're in. It stems back
to that time. And so listen to what he says
(09:46):
about the Packers' organization and how he thought they weren't
there for him at that time when he was gonna
have career ending next surgery. Here you go.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Here's the only thing that the Packers did that bothered me. Right,
Not one person called to say, how'd your surgery go?
Because they're fixing my spine. I could I could roll
out of there and never walk again. I could die
on the operating table. Not one person from the organization said, hey,
(10:15):
you know, how'd your surgery go?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Not the code.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Now, one person from the organization was like, hey, look man, god,
we'll pull them for you. You know, let us know
if you need anything. Not one person in the organization.
I don't think you understand that. Player, trainer, front office, cod, damn.
No one. That's the only thing that bothered me. Not
(10:37):
one player, not one player, And it was so funny
that I never thought about it until the Hall of
Fame happened. And when the Hall of Fame happened, Now
I start to hear from people in the organization, and
I'm saying to myself, how do I feel about that?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Honestly?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Like, you know what, when I is that my proverbial
lowest never hurt me what you would perceive as my highest,
I really don't need to hear from me.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Wow, interesting stuff right where I get it from his
standpoint and listen, you had to condense that. It's like
a four minute thing. And so there are some bits
and pieces in there where Sterling Sharp is saying, hey, man,
I get it. It's the end of the season. Players
go their separate ways. The organization starts thinking about what's next.
(11:33):
What are we going to do in the off season,
what's our game plan? You know, we might have babies
that are being born, We're going on vacation here there,
like everybody just goes their separate ways. So he's like,
I get it. I get it to a degree. But
you can tell that that bothered him, and he would
say at times he's like, I'm not disappointed I'm not hurt,
and it's like, I think you are. I think and
(11:55):
you have a reason to be. I don't think there's
anything wrong with saying like, man, that was that was rough.
I didn't hear from one soul, not one person, And uh,
I just thought that was an interesting take. I had
to share that with you guys, because I guess that's
the broader version of this.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Is that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It's I think it's hard for athletes to really buy
in to the team aspect when so many times the
business shows you that a lot of times you're just
on your own, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's
the bigger takeaway from this. How many times have you
heard players as like I didn't hear from my own
(12:39):
own organization that I was traded, that I was released.
I caught it on Twitter. I saw a tweet about it.
I saw it on Sports Center. They didn't even bother
to tell me I was released, had no clue like
stuff like that. How can you if that's on your resume,
that's you know, something that you've experienced along the way,
(13:04):
and you're on your new team. Now, how do you
fully buy in to team? Team, team, team, everything's team?
How many times do you hear, especially about the NFL,
it's a business. You hear that about pro sports all
the time, NBA, MLB, it's a business. There's some stuff
that's cutthroat, that as cold as it can be, Like,
how do you buy in? How do you not develop
(13:27):
this mentality of like, man, I got to look out
for myself first and foremost, cause that's what the business
does to you. It teaches you lessons the hard way.
And I feel like some organizations just get the simplest
thing things wrong. How do you not reach out to
Sterling Sharp? Not one person like, hey, bro, this is
(13:47):
next surgery, let us know if you need anything, just
wanted to check in? How'd everything go?
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Not?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
How do you get that wrong? And I'm sure everybody's
looking at everybody like man, one of us should checked in,
like a lot of you should have checked in. I
don't know how an organization messes up simple things. A
lot of it's just common decency, it's just common courtesy.
You know, if your friend was going in for next surgery,
(14:17):
you'd probably show that person that you cared in some way,
shape or form. Right, it's a simple thing.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
Well, see, I have some thoughts on this, Brian. Okay,
And I'm glad you said that right there, because I
had not heard this sound clip before and listening to it.
And while I agree with the correlation that you're making
about teams kind of treating it way too much like
a business and you know, guys finding out that they
got traded through social media. I get that because with
(14:44):
things like that, like trades, there's only certain number of
people in the organization that know about it anyway, and
they're the ones. You know, it's a lot easier for
you know, four or five, six to you know, ten
guys to look at it like this is a business
and and you know, we got to keep this under
wrapped for whatever reason. But then when it comes to
(15:05):
what Sterling Sharp was saying in that SoundBite, my initial
reaction was one of two things. Either one, he's over
exaggerating and there was somebody that reached out to him,
or number two, he's an a hole, you know, like
how okay, because I would get maybe, you know, you
(15:26):
might want somebody from like some higher up in the
organization to reach out to you, the team president, GM, whatever,
and they might not and that might be cold. And
I can understand that happening. But he said not a
single person, not a trainer, not a teammate, nothing. So
he didn't cultivate any relationships while on the team to
where somebody would like reach out and know that he
(15:47):
was going into surgery that day. I think that says
more about him as a person, or or he's over
exaggerating and he's just not thinking of you know, the
equipment manager who actually did shoot him at text, you know,
like all right, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No, I hear what you're saying. That would be funny
if you get all these X packers that were like,
what the hell is he talking about? I called him
four times before surgery after surgery. But the other part
of I'm trying to think of some of the like
all time a holes of the NFL. Right, like to
(16:24):
think of some players that had a REP that were
disliked by a lot of their teammates, Like whatever your
short list is, Aaron Rodgers comes to mind. Right. Not
every teammate is fond of Aaron Rodgers. He's been a
diva at times, you know, all that sort of stuff.
But not everybody is anti Rodgers. There are some dudes
(16:45):
that will ride and die with Aaron Rodgers, You know
what I mean. And I think that's the case for
a lot of people in the NFL, where certainly they
they ruffle feathers, they have their enemies, maybe even on
their own team they have they're detractors and all that's earned,
but typically not the entire organization is against you, like
(17:09):
a unified decision. Like, man, this freaking guy defines a
hole like he's walking. I just can't buy that. Sterling
Sharp was that guy. There isn't one person that's on
board to even a to the point where they're like
reaching out. He's having neck surgery, his career is over.
I just can't imagine he was that hard to get
(17:32):
along with and everyone was just nope, out on this guy, no,
thank you. I just don't think it rises to that level. Man,
that would be an extreme case of aholeness. If there
is such, you know a term, we'll just invent one
right there. But I get it, I get where while
your head went there, I just don't think that's the case.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Well, then then you just got to say that you know,
there's a couple one hundred people on the packers organization
that then they're all a holes, like not one reached out.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I think it's one.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
I mean I guess, well, you know what we're talking
you know, nineteen ninety something, so I guess there wasn't
really it was, right, Well, that's true text messaging, Like, yeah,
they take that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Into account, right, Yeah. The time period we're talking about
is like, yeah, this is pre cell phones. We're not texting,
we're not on Facebook, we're not dming.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's just so so much easier to get in touch
with people. I mean, you can relate to this, right,
like a lot of people. You know, I'm a little
older than you, Coop, but you're old enough where when
the great school Year was over, you just went your
separate ways.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Yeah, yeah, and you didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Communicate with anyone until you were back at school with
them again. You didn't see them, They just weren't involved
in your lives at all, because that's just.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
The time it was, right, might not even recognized them.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, right, like if you were unless you were friends
and you were gonna hang out or see them that way,
you just didn't see or communicate with anyone until you
were physically together again back at school or whatever. Right,
So yeah, that part of it that does make some sense.
You did add have a house line, you know, you
could you could reach out to people even at that time.
(19:23):
But yeah, we are talking his career ended in nineteen
ninety four. That that's a much different day and age
than now with cell phones and social media and all
that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
So, I mean, you know what, I I didn't initially
take that into account with my with my take the
you know, having to actually call somebody on the phone
and either talk to them or you know, leave leave
a voicemail.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah right, the old answering machines and all that. Sure, Yeah,
but you could have you could have done that. I
think what happened was, you know, the season ended, you
went your separate ways. Probably hearing this from Sterling Sharp,
I would bet Coop. I bet there are a lot
of people players, trainers, front office members, a part of
that packers organization that heard that and felt like, wow,
(20:12):
he's totally right. How did I not reach out? It's
a simple phone call, like hey man, thinking about you,
everything good post surgery. They're probably like, I should have
done that at least? What was I doing? Like, sometimes
you don't mean anything by it, and you just don't
do something you should do. I think that very easily
could have been the case.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
No, I think you're right because I'm thinking about me
and my like if you know, putting those shoes on.
I I'm the type of person that will reach out.
But it's so easy to shoot a text message and
be like, hey, man, how's it going. Yeah, yeah, you
doing okay? But if I had to like actually call
and talk to them on the phone.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Right, I know, right, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, no, no doubt.
But man, when you didn't even know what text messaging was,
you know, that's different to I can see now that
you're protext and talking, but when your only option was talking,
wasn't as bad, Like it was a pretty good option
at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I hate man,
(21:12):
interesting stuff there, but we'll see. I would love to
know if any former packers from that time, if they
make any statements, you know, just keep your your ears open,
eyes open. If anybody goes on a podcast or something
and says, yeah, he was right, man, I should have
reached out to him, like my bad on that. There
was a drop of the ball by me. But I
(21:33):
can understand why Sterling Sharp would would feel like that,
you know, what's funny too, last little layer I'll mention,
as guys, there's something in you that doesn't want to
be completely vulnerable. You could hear like I had to
whittle it down from four minutes, but it's it's littered
with not one person reached out. And then he'd be like,
(21:55):
I'm not mad. I mean I'm not even disappointed really,
and it's like, no, you are. You just don't want
to admit that because there's something in our DNA where
you just can't. You can't show vulnerability, you can't show weakness.
But it hurt him, and it's understandably so that it
hurt him. It's just hard to say that. It's it's
(22:17):
hard for guys to just be like, man, that really
hurt bad because he's just kind of like manly. It
doesn't even really bother me. Really, I han't thought about
it until the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Now, really,
I hadn't thought about that for like what thirty years
had crossed your mind one time? Okay, you know, but
(22:39):
hey man, that's a you got to you gotta read
through the guylines from time to time.
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Speaker 3 (22:49):
So I think this is a much needed change for
the Cincinnati Bengals. They are going to play their starters,
uh maybe several reps Thursday night, you know, so a
little bit later today we get some NFL action. You'll
see Joe Burrow out there. The head coach, Zach Taylor.
(23:11):
He talked about several series potentially for some of the starters.
So I don't know how much time they're gonna get,
but Joe Burrow is expected to play, some of the
ones are expected to play. And I think this makes
a lot of sense because what's the what's the bugaboo
with the Bengals, It's how slowly they start their notoriously
(23:34):
slow starters. They lost to the Patriots in Week one
last season. It was a big upset. It was Drod
Mayo's first game as a head coach. Like, Bengals are
huge home favorites and they lose, and the Patriots won
three more games the entire season, you know, and Jerrod
Mayo got fired. That team that fired their first year
(23:57):
head coach beat the Bengals in Week one, and Joe
Burrow in his career in weeks one and two. His
record is one and nine. That's what he is weeks
one and two in his NFL career. That is stunning.
That is alarmingly low for a guy that's had as
much success as Joe Burrow has had in the NFL.
(24:20):
And the numbers, like you see some of these graphics
that they put up there, and it's just like, holy cow,
is passer ratings way lower. We're talking like twenty three
points lower in weeks one and two compared to weeks
that are not one in two, right like weeks three
through eighteen, his passer rating is one oh four point five.
(24:43):
His passer rating weeks one and two eighty one point nine.
And then touchdowns, interceptions, completion percentage, all that stuff. Yardsburg
game like, there's something too Joe Burrow and the Bengals
starters not playing in the preseason. So what's the definition
of insanity like doing the same thing over and over
(25:03):
and expecting a different result. If the Bengals are just like, yeah,
let's just keep not playing our starters in the preseason,
and well, I mean, hopefully we'll just magically get off
to a better start, even though we suck year in
and year out in the first two weeks of the season.
It's like, you could either do that or I don't know,
(25:24):
maybe play your starters a little bit more in the preseason.
Maybe you're able to hit the ground running when the
regular season rolls around. I do think there's something to it.
I just don't I don't buy that there's zero value
whatsoever with playing your starters in the preseason. I think
(25:44):
it's swung too far in that direction. I mentioned this
last night. The Chiefs. They play their starters like Mahomes
he plays in the preseason. If there was no value whatsoever,
why on earth would Andy Reid have his starters on
the field. He has him on the field because there
is some value. I don't want to oversell it and
(26:07):
make it sound like, hey, if you don't play your
starters in the preseason, your season is doomed. Your destined
to get off to a slow start. I'm not saying that.
But for a team like the Bengals, who have notoriously
started slowly for years now, it's like, why don't you
try it, Why don't you try a different approach, Play
(26:29):
the ones more often in the preseason, and maybe that
can have a positive effect with not starting as slowly
when the regular season rolls around. I think that makes
a ton of sense. So Joe Burrow and the other starters,
maybe several series on Thursday night, the preseason opener at
the Eagles. Get the Bengals and Eagles on Thursday nights,
(26:51):
So hey, man, sign me up if the starters are playing.
I love getting a little taste of the starters a
series or two. Just see him again, you know, see
what they're looking like. Does anybody flash. They're not game planning,
so I'm not gonna read too deeply into it, but
every now and then a starter will flash, and it's like, oh, okay,
(27:12):
all right, that's something to take away the golden rule
of preseason, like who's on the field, Like how many
starters are there? Let's not overreact. If it's the starting
offense against the backup defense, that's a it's an easy
overreaction right there, right. But I also think that some
(27:32):
things translate to the regular season, even if you are
facing backups. Every now and then, there's a certain scenario.
I'll give you one. So Amari and Hampton is a
rookie running back for the Chargers. He played in the
Hall of Fame Game. Just got a couple of rushes
and it was against mostly the Lions backup defense, so
you might think, oh, who cares he's facing backups. I
(27:54):
don't think everything is that clear cut. My brief spiel
on the preseason and okay, it depends. It's case by case.
If there's a number one wide receiver and he blows
by like a number two, number three cornerback, and the
quarterback's like, all right, my guy's opened by five steps.
(28:14):
Like that's not going to translate to the regular season.
That's not the NFL. We all know that, and that
does happen in the preseason. And when people fall for that,
I'm like, oh my gosh, what are you doing? But
Amari and Hampton he had one carry in particular against
the Lions, and you you just tell the guys got burst,
(28:36):
he's got feel, he's got some juice. It was just
like this inside running play. They just kind of bounced
it outside and he found the opening, found the daylight
and got everything he could get. It was a good
rush and some of it's you know, connected to his
time at North Carolina and he had juice. Man Omarion
Hampton is legit. I think he's a really good running back.
(29:00):
But stuff like that, even against mostly backups, there are
times where you're like, Okay, yeah, that's gonna translate, that's
gonna work. So yeah, I do enjoy watching the preseason,
but man, when it gets to like backups against backups,
or the backups of the backups versus the backups of
the backups, that it's like, okay, all right, this is
(29:20):
a little rough. But when you get the starters in there, yeah,
sign me up.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Might see a little bit of Bengal starters, including Joe
Burrow on Thursday night. I'll be checking that out.
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