September 30, 2021 • 40 mins
Ben Maller talks about Giants coach Joe Judge's take on analytics being just a tool, Maller to the Third Degree, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome. It's our number two, our number two
of our radio program. We taken out to New Jersey
where the New York Giants play their games, and the
Giants coach is under siege. He's getting bullied by the nerds.
He wants no part of it, though, Joe Judge. His
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take on analytics being just a tool is that inbounds
or out of bounds. Will go there right now in
our number two. Put a stand on it. Yeah, yeah,
you put a stand on it. Well. Come in the
beginning of another hour of the Ben Maller Show. We
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are together in the air everywhere as we fly across
the night sky, coast to coast, border to border, in beyond,
on the bast and powerful microphone of FS are ammating
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live from the mouth, the big mouth of the radio dial,
the Fox Sports Radio Studios at a secret location in
the North Woods. But where all right? So I lead
this hour coming from an age old debate. Now, when
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I say age old debate, it's only a few years old.
But it is the intermingling of traditional sporting people and
advanced statistics, the wacky world of advanced statistics, that is
the lead this hour. And this involves the New York
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coach Joe Judge. Don't judge me, bro Joe Judge, who
is tiptoeing around landmines right now. The Giants off to
the traditional terrible start. The Giants are oh and three,
and Joe Judge, who's in his second season as coach,
has gotten very defensive after the finger has been pointed
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at him because of a poor streak involving exes and
oh specifically Joe Judge's decision to punt the ball away.
It was a fourth down and four in the game
over the weekend, Giants and Falcons, fourth and four from
the Atlanta thirty nine yard line. There's six and a
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half minutes remaining in the third quarter of the game,
So thirty nine yard line, do you go forward? Do
you not go forward? You kick the field goal? He
decides to punt the ball away and that ended up
being a loss to the Falcons. Giants at the time
trailed seven to six. Now, Joe Judge was asked about
that he referenced a multi billionaire in his rebuttal to
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the analytical question about his use of analytics being part
of his end game decision making. So if you didn't
hear this, and maybe not, as Warder Wolf would say,
let's go to the audio tape. The analytics is just
a tool. It's nice to look at the numbers and
how they go through the flow of the game, but
the analytics change is based on the opponent, based on
who you have available for the game, and how the
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flow to games going to. You can look at a
statue all you want, I promise you. If if XL
was going to win football games, Bill Gates be killing
it right now. Okay, But you know you've got to
take those numbers as a tool, and then you've got
to go and factor in how your team's playing at
the time and what the opponent has as well. You
gotta measure your strengths and weaknesses against the opponent every time,
and then also in terms of the flow of the game.
All right, So flow of the game there, and the
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money part of that quote is you can't look at
a stat sheet. You can look at it all you want.
I promise you. If XCEL was going to win football games,
Bill Gates would be killing it right now. All right.
So let us discuss the Giants are stuck in traffic
yet again as a football team. So let us figure
this out right. The question Joe Judge, you heard his
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take on analytics. It's just a tool. Is that inbounds
or out of bounds for Joe Judge to say, I
say inbounds, inbounds. I've got American literature shopping spree and paralysis,
and we will attempt to shoot the lights out right
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now and put all of this together and make the Barbacanoos.
We're gonna make the Barbacanoos down number. So I have
Joe Judges back on this. I will reject the counter
argument the Giants should have never been in a tug
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of war battle royal with the Falcons. I realized they're
a bad team. The Falcons are bad team, but the
Falcons seemingly are worse the way they got passed by
the Philadelphia Eagles and the opener. So that was an embarrassing,
gutless effort by the Giants, the fact that that was
anyone's game in the third quarter, in the fourth quarter,
down the stretch. But the football media that are barking here,
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these brainwash zombies who are demanding total one hundred percent
submission to the analytical group, think I absurd, absurd, You
should pick and choose your spots. I am a advocate
everything in moderation, even analytics. Some stats are more meaningful
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than others, and you have to pick and choose what's
more important to you. And I learned from the legendary
back back in his days, Samuel Langhorne Clements, the father
of American literature, better known by his gangster name Mark Twain,
that there are three types of statistics, lies, damn lies,
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and statistics. Right there you go. And also more recently,
not to say that Mark Twain's been dead for a while,
but Dick Stockton very much alive, the iconic Dick Stockton
just retired recently. And he taught me that statistics tell
you what has happened, they don't tell you what's going
to happen. And football has always had these things. I
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guess I'm getting older. I'm from the Bronze Age. But
when I was playing football, Pop Warner All Star. Actually
I wasn't allowed to play Pop Warner high school football.
I'm like Al Bundy. At Polk High School, they called
these things tendencies, and it was part of football. It
is ingrained that you looked for tendencies and that if
the ball was on the hash mark that the team
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would go to the strong side of the field x
percent of the time and they go to the short
side of the field x percent of the time, and
you play the tendencies. But data driven studies these days
say that you have no choice that you have to
go for it on fourth down when inside opponent's territory.
So if you are across the fifty in enemy territory,
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that you have to go for But I just it's
not one hundred percent. It's not one hundred percent. And
a lot of what's gone on here is after the fact,
Like if the Giants win that game, no one's bringing
up the fact that there was a punt, and so
it's after the fact that the Giants decided to punt
thirty nine yard line of the falcon. Now, the second
thing here, the bigger story is not the analytics. It's
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that the Giants are yet again playing like a large,
oversized pile of dirty diapers. It's not because of the analytics.
And Joe Judge, the team is bad. He has been
unable to manipulate this team into a good team. And
so the analytics part is just bullcrap. That's all that
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is right, And You can't blame big data for the
useless nonsense the Giants have been putting out in the field.
If you do that, then you are a country bumpkin.
Don't be a country bumpkin. This is an Okham's razor situation.
The simplest explanation is most often correct. We believe the
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Giants are getting what they paid for. They went on
a shopping spree at the dime store, and I'm talking
about Danny Dimes, the savior. Oh Danny Dimes, we love you.
How's that working out? Not good? No ifsands or butts
about it. This was supposed to be the big Year
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three jump. This was high expectations. This was the big improvement,
and I realized we're only three games into the season.
But has anyone seen the tremendous improvement from the Giants quarterback? Yeah? Yeah,
don't ask if you're If you're asking, don't ask. Daniel Jones.
Let me check my notes. Here is the twenty first
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ranked quarterback in the NFL. What you talk about a
year three jump? Oh my goodness, twenty first in the NFL.
He is currently tied with Jared Goff behind Check this
out quarterback rating behind Taylor Heineke in Washington and Jalen
Hurts in Philadelphia, and of course Dak Prescott ahead of
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those guys. So that means that Daniel Jones is the
lowest rated quarterback in the worst division you can possibly
imagine for football. And the Giants also, it's not just
Danny Dimes. Their defense supposed to be a little bit
better this year, and they have a dime a dozen defense.
They're also ranked twenty first in a thirty two team league,
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which to my knowledge is not particularly good. That's not
when you're twenty first and there's only thirty two teams,
that's not not great. You're not scaring the bejeebers out
of anybody. All right, final point, So Joe Judge, go
back to Joe Judge. He is attempting to be a
well rounded coach. Now it's not going. I thought this
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guy had something. I Will sparked that Giants sucked his
first year. I thought, well, this is something here. But
it doesn't matter if there's something there, if your team
continues to go out there and projectile vomit week after week.
And so he is behind the eight ball with the
Giants right now. He inherited a disheveled mess, a home
on the wrong side of the tracks that needed major remodeling.
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It had been burned in a fire, and Joe Judge
has done nothing but watch it deteriorate even more. I
believe his record is six and thirteen now his first
nineteen games as coach of the Giants, And while I
support the overall mentality, I don't think he's wrong in this.
So far. Joe Judge has been that guy that just
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blows a lot of hot air. He'd be a good
talk show host because he talks to talk, but in
this case he hasn't been able to walk the walk.
But again we agree with his overall point. You do
not want automated coaches, and we see this a lot
in all sports with the group think about analytics, that
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you forget the human element, that if you want the
human element, you are out in left field in today's
sporting world. What's wrong with you? You are the pay
phone in the cell phone world, you are the typewriter
in the laptop world. What's going on with you? But
I'm of the belief that you should occasionally trust your
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gut say this all the time. It's more of a
baseball argument. But baseball is even more obsessed than football
with analytics. But we believe in people, not machines. And
if not, if you just want to have an algorithm
coach your team, then just give the algorithm a ball
cap and a whistle. But remember the law of infinite
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data states that there is always new information for one
to learn, and you cannot learn or know everything, and
so what ends up happening is a paralysis by analysis
situ way sean where you spend so much time obsessing
about the data and what has happened that you lose
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touch with reality. And so you should you should in moderation. Yeah,
if you know the numbers indicate that this is a
thing that will work in your favor of seventy five
eighty percent of the time, I'm not opposed to doing it,
but rare and appropriately you should consider other things. The
problem with putting all your eggs in the analytic basket
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is there are too many anomalies. There are so many
anomalies and those pesky variables that mess things up, and
so that's the thing that the cult of the analytics
does not like to deal with. But it's a big
part of that story. Ben Mallers Show on Fox. We'll
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So we began the hour ranting about Joe Judge. He
has some comments, he was under attack, gave a sermon
about analytics, and I generally agree with Joe Judge. It
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doesn't matter. He's gonna lose his job if this continues.
They're not going to keep him around with the Giants,
and he is handcuffed for better or worse to Danny Dimes,
and Danny Dimes is not worth a dime at this point,
so that's the problem there. Just Josh's I'm not surprised
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by your Giants monologue. Since I am a p one
who breaks down the analytics of the show. I knew
you were about to drop a dime on us. But
I don't judge. I don't judge, so the legendary caller
from Cincinnati says. He says, I don't judge. Also, I
can let you know when your odds are better to
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win Mallor's mounting money. Well, that's essentially dependent on the
person I work with. Now, we had a guy the
other night from the oil fields in Oklahoma who I
don't know that he'd ever watched the sporting event in
his life, and either that or his hearing aid wasn't
quite working. It just didn't go well for him. And
so that stage fright, flop, sweat, whatever you want to say,
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and just that happens. Matt the Warrior Raider rays Fan
says ten out of ten on the Maller Monologue, one
agree with Joe Judge's explanation that you can't blindly follow
the analytics, and there are times you should go against them.
What's occurring in the game in the moment should be
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as big of a factor as the data. Milkman Mike
in Colorado's This Great Hour two Monologue, the NFL giants
are in such horrible shape that even the Property Brothers
wouldn't come in there and salvage there the house. Yeah,
it's not love it or listed, it's blow it up.
That's what it is right now, Valls fan Jimmy says, Ben,
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do you use analytics when you prepare for the show? God? No, please,
are you kidding me? I use maler Math absolutely. The
Russian kid who called up yesterday busting my balls says
the analytics are always wrong. I agree with you, Ben.
The key quote is depends on what personnel is available.
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The Giants sucked for two decades at quarterbacks, so Danny
Dimes is what they have had in Elijah double bird
manning his personnel sucks just like the Stros f Altuve
and the Russian kid says, also f the Steelers, so
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he says now. The late night drug tester from Parts
Unknown write Sin says, I think that Joe Judge is
coaching as if Bill Gays was in charge of the team,
showing nothing but a blue screen of death. So he
claims that our buddy Derek and Buffalo the Bills monster says,
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great mologue, Joe Judge is a buffoon. Though it's a
shame a once proud Giants organization are the new Cleveland Browns.
The Giants lost Super Bowl twenty five when Scott Norwood
hit the miracle field goal to winn it. I celebrated
Buffalo Super Bowl championship every day with adult diapers. That's
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from Derek and Buffalo using revisionist history, which is the
best kind of history because you're never wrong with revisionist history.
Let's go to the phones and let's say hello to
do we have here? How about we say added John,
who's in Tacoma, Hello John, Welcome, Big Ben Mallard, good
to talk to you. Hey. As a long time suffering
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Viking fan since the early seventh that's right, that they've
never found they've never disappointed me and finding ways to
disappoint me. But this year, even though they're one and
two due to an idiot kicker in the second game
and idiot referee in the first game, My hot take,
my prediction is they're going to meet your Rams in
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the NFC Championship game and Vikings are going to follow
through in disappointment and they're going to urinate down their leg,
descate their pants, vombed on the field, and your Rams
are not gonna win. But the Vikings are gonna lose,
and your Rams will go to the super Bowl. Well,
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I'm high prediction. I think I'll take it right now.
Anyway you get to the super Bowl is a great
way to get to the super Bowl. And I would
love to see the Vikings and the rest. And the
Vikings are going to be in La here playing. I
think they'll play the Chargers. I was thinking about going
to that game, but it's I don't think it's schedule wise.
I don't think I'll be able to make it. But
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you're a Viking fan and you're in Tacoma, what's up
with that? Well? I grew up in shot Capee, Minnesota,
and I know some a caller from a couple of
days ago gave out a call a shout out to
the shot Cape Lawyers semi pro football team, which I've
never heard of before. But uh, yeah, that's where I grew.
I grew up in graduated. I've never heard of him.
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So Well, once you have that Minnesota, but I have
noticed that, like we we have beer drinking Bryan who
lives in Kansas City, but he's an old Minnesota guy
and he loves Minnesota teams. He also loves alcohol, weed, um, math,
you name it. Uh, And then we we have you. Yeah,
and I don't. I don't like anything of those that
he likes, except for the beer. I like that. But hey, Ben,
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one more thing, Uh oh my my, yeah, exactly. My
my ex wife's cousins brother in law told me that
he heard on TMZ or maybe not, that robertal didn't
work earlier this week because he was suspended or something.
Uh it might it might have been doing asking things
to do with spoon, not proven. All right, John, Well,
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you know we are not allowed to talk about Roberto's
situation unfortunately, and as you know, we like to kid
around on this show, but it's very serious what happened
to Roberto. So we'll just leave it at that. But
I would like to be the first to wish Roberto
a happy birthday. Happy birthday, Roberto Happy. And I apologize
if I stepped on stepped on toes. Yeah, all right,
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thank you, John, Go Vikings, Go Vikings. All right, say
hello to Rachel in Monta Bello. Hello Rachel in Southern California,
Hello Rachel magnificent. Ben Ben, regarding your first monologue, if
the question given to Build Belichick about defending Tom Brady
was given by a man instead of a woman, Delichick
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would have replied, next question, Oh no, I think Belichick
would have would have absolutely destroyed the mail reporter. Can
we play that again? By the way, do we have that?
That's this is an amazing audio if you missed it earlier.
Bill Belichick was asked, we believe the dumbest question asked
by anyone at a news conference in many, many years.
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And this is a question. We're not making this up.
This was not a gag. This was a legitimate question
of Bill Belichick. But let's let the audio role about
Tom Brady. Bill, would you consider to a tough quarterback
to defend? And if so, why consider them a tough
quarterback to the front? Is that the question? Yeah? Oh,
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that is so good. That is so good, magnificent Ben.
I want to remind you fasten your seat built. Then
it's going to be a bumpy ride this last four
days in the MLB season. It wouldn't be as bumpy
if a certain closer hadn't taken a ride in the
vomit time during the summer. Just pointing that out. It
was home run derby tonight, Ben. It was beautiful and
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you ain't Stanning, I mean, I swallowed my turn because
I thought the game was over, but things are heating up. Absolutely, Rachel,
and good luck, Roberto. Whatever you're going through, it will
pass like everything else, Okay, except kidney stones because they
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might need. Yeah, all right, all right, big fan, thank you.
There she goes the lovely and talented Rachel, who glad
she finished. Juey dooey. What she was saying there might
have been taken out of context and appropriately, and Bert's
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drop happy. Happy about that for sure, for sure, happy
about that. That dial a quote thing from Jerry Jones
the other day. I just looked it up. So Jerry
was interviewed. He was asked about Micah Parsons, this rookie
stud linebacker for the Cowboys off to a great start.
We'll see if he can maintain that. And so Jerry's
asked about that in his quote. I'm gonna try to
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find the audio on this, like I couldn't find it
the other day. But I'm sure it's not that hard
to track down. Everything's now saved for my sterry's sake.
But Jerry said of Michael Parsons, he's as pure as
mother's milk. He just basically steps out there and gives
you everything he's got nature gave him skills, and boy
does he know how to use him. But the beginning
part of that, he's as pure as mother's milk, which
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is right up there. Remember on Hard Knocks, the highlight, well,
the two hard highlights of Hard Knocks. I didn't watch
every second of Hard Knocks, but the ones that sit
out for me was when Jerry talked about his love
of what a Burger, the fast food chain, and talking
about the vaccine he said he had gotten more shots
than a cocker spaniel. Those are the two amazing things
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about Jerry Jones. But the latest one talking about one
of his players, he's as pure as a mother's milk.
The great Jerry Jones a sound bite machine he never disappoints.
Be sure to catch live editions The Ben Maller Show
weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Hey, I'm
Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually
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talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about
the stories about what made these people love their sport
and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talked
to coaches, we talked to players. We tell you stories.
You download it, you listen to it. I think you'll
like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or ever you get your
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podcast to the NBA. And it seems like we go
back and forth every day, either news on Kyrie Irving
or Ben Simmons. And according to a report, Ben Simmons
continues to say he will not play for the Philadephia
seventy six ers and he will, if necessary, sit out
the entire upcoming season. Now what would that mean and
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a loss of money if Ben Simmons thirty three million dollars,
If Ben Simmons is a man of his word, that
he would be leaving on the table by not playing
bouncy ball this year, Well, my answer, my default answer, Eddie,
is always there's no way you're not gonna miss the
whole year. And I was proven to be an idiot
when your guy Levon Bell actually did miss the whole year.
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I think I think he was proven to be the idiot.
And that one, well, I agree, But is now Ben
Simmons is the move here? Does he go back to
Australia or does he go to Miami or LA and
hang out in the banana hammock and just lay on
the beach and wait for the occasional jet ski Like,
what's he's gonna play? Come on, it's all posturing and empty.
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I would, I would agree with you, but we'll see. Well.
The other thing too, about the way that the basketball
world works, unlike most of the other sports, is it
the players control the league. So Ben Simmons will be
traded because the Sixers don't want to look like they're
they're not kind the players right there'll be worried about that,
and so he'll go somewhere else. And if I'm Philadelphia,
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I send Ben Simmons to the Sacramento Kings of the
Minnesota Timberwolves, and I say, I hope you have a
great time in basketball Siberia. Have a wonderful time. Knock
yourself out. You can be the big man on campus
and no one will even know you exist. No one
will know that you have a fine time, fine time.
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But I'm a bit vindictive about these things. I am.
I still love the Doc Rivers clip from last week
when Doc went on TV and gasolt. Everyone said, oh,
I didn't say that, and then there's video and audio
of Doc trashing Ben Simmons, and he said, oh, it
didn't happen. All right, wonderful. We go right back to
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the phones and we'll say hello to Mitchell in Ohio. Hello, Mitchell,
what's up there? Long time ago, talk Mitchell. It's been
a while. Yeah, yeah, it's been a while. I just
want to tell you that, you know, it's kind of
like with the steroids and stuff. You know, we don't
want using steroids and stuff because we like to see
you know, or god given ability against somebody else's god
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given ability. And with Brady, you know, having that doctor
and stuff, nobody really knows what that doctor's done but
for him. But it's you know, where did He's had
the longest career in the NFL history. You're talking about Alice. Wait,
Alice Guerrero is not a doctor? Is that who you're
talking about? Whatever? Is? Yeah, which, well, he's a he's
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a charlatan, Alex Guerrero. I think you can say he's
a he's the guy that went on TV did an
infomercial and claimed a supplement called Supreme Greens could cure cancer.
And yeah, yeah, that's like something doctor Mike. Yeah, that
sounds like something Doc Mike would do. And that is
the snake oil salesman buddy of Tom Brady right there,
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that's the guy. Yeah, I think, yeah, But whatever he is,
I think he's definitely had something to do with one.
Tom Brady's stuck around for as long as he had.
Mean that means, now, that means you agree with with
the Peyton Manning's documentary that we talked about in yesterday's show,
that the new revelations there about Peyton Manny. You buy that, yes, well, yeah,
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he probably doesn't Sundal, which I don't blame Peyton Manning.
I mean I wouldn't walk you don't blame me, But
why wait you don't Why why would you blame Tom Brady?
Then if you don't blame Peyton Manny, you can't blame
Tom Brady. I don't blame Tom Brady either, as far
as that goes. I'm just saying, if you're going to
count all these stats, if he would have retired at
you know, a normal age like most people do, he
wouldn't have probably at least one two rings well, of course, yes.
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And if if Pete Rose hadn't played until he was
in his mid forties, he wouldn't have been the all
time hit King, although I guess he's not technically because
he's banned for life or whatever. But yes, longevity is
a big part of any of these accomplishments. You can't
get all time records unless you have longevity. That's part
of the equation. All Right, we'll leave it there. But
calling occasional caller used to be a regular, used to
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be a regular back back in the day. And he's
he's returned for an occasional called Mitchell in Ohio. All right,
it's the Ben Mallers Show on Fox. Let's say hello too.
I've always say a lot to Chris and Houston, and
I am getting reports from members of the Mallam militia
that Chris has been double dipping on other radio shows.
(30:17):
I don't know if that's true or now Hello christ
one radio show. Well too, because I actually liked the
two guys in a tight shirt. I listened to an
album too. I should have nighted a tight shirt, not
in a couple of jokes. Oh, I got you, So
that was not you, because you were denying the charge.
You called another nighttime radio show. Okay, alright, all right, okay.
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When I get home, I'm a TV watching I'm not
a radio listener. Yeah, you're supposed to be like when
radio started and the family would huddle around the radio
and listen to story too. No, no, no, my paciers
can't take all that. But being I wanted to get
on the fact of this curious case of Kylerie Irn
and it brought me up to basically thinking about my
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homeboys and how it is good to be friends, but
doing business with certain homeboys is a no golf. And
that's the type of person Kyrie is. He's good. You
can have a conversation, we could talk about the good
old days, play a pickup game. But as far as
winning the championship of Kyrie Irving again says Lebron's as have,
it's a no go Kevin Durand no, he screwed up
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when he teamed up with that guys. So I disagree.
I disagree. I'm not a Kyrie Irving fan, but he
certainly can win a title. With Kevin Durant as he's
the number two, that team certainly can win. They better
not play the Warriors in the NBA Finals or he
won't be able to play at any of the games. Hey, hey, Ben,
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I'm gonna tell you like this. You know, I had
a buddy. I got him on up here, you know,
to work with me, you want a job or whatever.
And you know we in him. We kicked it and
came out talked all the time. You know, it was cool.
You know, got to working with the guy and hey,
you know, boss man, come tell me, hey, you try
to do this? What's the why is this not this doing?
You know, stuff like that. So you know, I come
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back and relate a message to him and hey man,
I'm trying to do my job. You know, he getting
all of them. You know, I'm like, hey, I'm just
trying to tell you how they's got a gun, bro.
You know, I just want to tell you, you know.
And that's what I'm saying, is what Kylerie Irvan is
that he's that know at all guy that it's like
Kevin Durant can't tell him nothing, James Harden can't tell
him nothing. You see what I'm saying. And for you
to sit here and go say you want to start
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a busy with a guy like that, or you know
you're trying to win a championship, but be on the
same page. You're never going to be on the same page.
With that guy because he's gonna have a family event
to go to. Oh, I got my birthday coming up.
I got to miss this game. I gotta go to
my birthday. Last year, well last year he had didn't
he take a week off because it was his sister's
birthday or his birthday. And that's the reason why I say,
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he's that guy that you would never ever want to
start a business with. You you can hang out with
and have a great time with, but you never ever
want to have a guy like that on your team.
But basically, other things a priority when it's time to
go make money, when it's time to get on saying,
you know, well I didn't see Chris, maybe this was
sway Kyrie, but I did see an adult website offered
a deal to Kyrie to get the vaccine there. And yeah,
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he's he's being a ding dong with all that. You know.
They the YouTube watches, man, they watched him too much YouTube,
you know, and they get caught down a rabbit hole.
But you know that's a whole another story and everything.
But I did hear that, uh that under siege talked
from Kawhi. Leonard looked like he was in a hostage video.
Kawhi locked and loaded for the video embarrassed. I mean,
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for the rest of the NBA, that is the most
impressive accomplishment an owner can have Kyrie. Kyrie's his own
animal over. But Kawhi, this guy is also He's very
tough to please, and Steve Bombers pleased him. And so Steve,
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is that you used to criticize this guy again, he
proved me. Kawai proved that he is lit by going
to Toronto and winning in Toronto, the toughest place to
win in Toronto. He led the Clippers, led the Clippers
to the final four there this past year. So it's
all looking up for the Clips and you know your react.
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He didn't. He was injured, he didn't, he didn't play.
Your reaction is proof verifications. How upset he You're very upset.
The magic magic the Clippers, the magical dust they had
in that playoff run. They just gonna bottle that. Chris stop,
He's damn. I'm going to leave you with this. I
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just can't wait till they put the final for a
banner up. Oh my god, I'm getting well. I can't
wait till they open up the tie from the Hall
in Inglewood, and then and then the Lakers will be
playing on the wrong side of the tracks officially so
by themselves there all right. It is Ben, Yes, that's
the wrong center. It's right Staple centers essentially, skid Row
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ad Jason that at Inglewood Complex. That's like Sportstown, USA,
where they're building that past when the tos mahall ten
years old and the Clippers still having won. It's beautiful,
it's wonderful. And again, as we said in the model
are you were out here? Roberto's one of my great
pieces of audio content. It's a beautiful building, wonderful building.
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The best builders. The Clippers are new hip. The Clippers
are the Internet. The Lakers are the typewriter. They're all musty,
but they're they're old money, is what they are. Anyway,
It is the Ben Mallers Show. As we press on
time now for the install Tributa, we have Mallard of
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Harris fourteen catches that tied the NFL record for most
catches in the game by a rookie running back. He
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fourteen catches, tied for the NFL record for most catches
in a game. Buy a rookie running back in that loss.
He joins Sequon Barkley and Blank. That is the question,
and what is the answer? With Mallard of the third
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degree warming up right around the bend, who do we
have here? Matt the Warrior Ritter is fan got it right,
clearly cheating Milkman. Mike and Colorado says it has to
be Voltrod Marrion Butts from Oscar, Willie Flipper Anderson, great
name from Malibu Rubin an NFL record holder, Willie Flipper
Anderson who else? Page down here? Page down, can't read
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that on the air, The greatest Viking running back of
all time, Chuck Foreman says the Midnight Walker from the
Twin Cities of Bruce Jenner and Hulk Hogan from Alf
the Alien Opiner brother. Let's see page down here. Darren
Sprawls from Robbie the Disgruntled Mariner fan, Steve Correll from
j D in KC. Bill the Seagull Gullikson from Nails.
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That's his answer, Jessica Bielle from David in Seattle. Eddie,
do you have an answer? Eddie played? It's former chief
Star Barry Word, Barry Word. No, it's a good good name.
This is a guy who's a start in Nebraska, played
with the Redskins. We can say that because they were
the Redskins when he played there. Roy Halloo Remember Roy
Halloo running back out of Nebraska ten years ago? No,
(37:55):
you know Roy Hello, you don't remember him. Job to
the third degree. This is one big band gets grilled.
Coop dwal Loop, Trevor Lawrence said during an interview for
the Jaguars team website, that he thinks he has gotten
better every game. Quote. I definitely feel the progress. Yeah, Ben,
(38:19):
have you seen the progress? Well, nothing tangible that baby
steps for Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence is trying to force the
ball downfield into coverage, which does work when you're in
the acc But as they said in The Wizard of
oz Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Clemson anymore.
You're not. And Lawrence he's got to have a short
(38:42):
memory here because you don't want him to become Charlie Checkdown.
But you also don't want to be Gary Gambler. And
there's somewhere in the middle. There, there's somewhere in the middle.
It's the sweet spot for Trevor Lawrence. And we'll see
what he does tonight against Cincinnati. And this is a
winnable game for Jacksonville next The other week during Too
Much or Not Enough, we mentioned that John Lester got
(39:03):
to two hundred career wins. It's a big milestone. Ben.
Do you think he's a Hall of Famer? No, No,
John Lester, He's not at that level. He has some
big moments in the postseason, not enough sustained dominance in
the regular season, and you put him on that same
line like I would put Kurt schillingham Hall of Fame.
But I don't make Shilling he's got any chance because
(39:25):
it was politics to get in. David Cohne, Jimmy Key,
Kevin Brown, guys like that. None of those guys are
in Cooperstown. And but Lester he has a good story.
The writers like him a lot overcame cancer, so he's
gonna get more love than Kurt Schilling. But no, his
Shilling should be in, and I don't have Lester in
the Hall of Fame next. So Marlon Maqui was on
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the verge of becoming a star running back after his
breakout twenty nineteen season. Then the Colt shocked everyone by
drafting Jonathan Taylor and then mac Torre's achilles. Now it's
being reported he's healthy and the two have agreed to
seek a trade. Ben, do you think someone will give
up some pieces for Marlon mack? No, He's a baseline
back coming off an injury at a greyhound position, and
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his contract is up at the end of the year.
If you want him, just wait a couple of months.
How do we do He passed us a that's somewhere else,
Hello and welcome. It's our number two, our number two
of our radio program. We taken out to New Jersey
where the New York Giants play their games, and the
Giants coach is under siege. He's getting bullied by the nerds.
He wants no part of it, though, Joe Judge. His
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take on analytics being just a tool is that inbounds
or out of bounds. Will go there right now in
our number two. Put a stand on it. Yeah, yeah,
you put a stand on it. Well. Come in the
beginning of another hour of the Ben Maller Show. We
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are together in the air everywhere as we fly across
the night sky, coast to coast, border to border, in beyond,
on the bast and powerful microphone of FS are ammating
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live from the mouth, the big mouth of the radio dial,
the Fox Sports Radio Studios at a secret location in
the North Woods. But where all right? So I lead
this hour coming from an age old debate. Now, when
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I say age old debate, it's only a few years old.
But it is the intermingling of traditional sporting people and
advanced statistics, the wacky world of advanced statistics, that is
the lead this hour. And this involves the New York
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coach Joe Judge. Don't judge me, bro Joe Judge, who
is tiptoeing around landmines right now. The Giants off to
the traditional terrible start. The Giants are oh and three,
and Joe Judge, who's in his second season as coach,
has gotten very defensive after the finger has been pointed
(02:08):
at him because of a poor streak involving exes and
oh specifically Joe Judge's decision to punt the ball away.
It was a fourth down and four in the game
over the weekend, Giants and Falcons, fourth and four from
the Atlanta thirty nine yard line. There's six and a
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half minutes remaining in the third quarter of the game,
So thirty nine yard line, do you go forward? Do
you not go forward? You kick the field goal? He
decides to punt the ball away and that ended up
being a loss to the Falcons. Giants at the time
trailed seven to six. Now, Joe Judge was asked about
that he referenced a multi billionaire in his rebuttal to
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the analytical question about his use of analytics being part
of his end game decision making. So if you didn't
hear this, and maybe not, as Warder Wolf would say,
let's go to the audio tape. The analytics is just
a tool. It's nice to look at the numbers and
how they go through the flow of the game, but
the analytics change is based on the opponent, based on
who you have available for the game, and how the
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flow to games going to. You can look at a
statue all you want, I promise you. If if XL
was going to win football games, Bill Gates be killing
it right now. Okay, But you know you've got to
take those numbers as a tool, and then you've got
to go and factor in how your team's playing at
the time and what the opponent has as well. You
gotta measure your strengths and weaknesses against the opponent every time,
and then also in terms of the flow of the game.
All right, So flow of the game there, and the
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money part of that quote is you can't look at
a stat sheet. You can look at it all you want.
I promise you. If XCEL was going to win football games,
Bill Gates would be killing it right now. All right.
So let us discuss the Giants are stuck in traffic
yet again as a football team. So let us figure
this out right. The question Joe Judge, you heard his
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take on analytics. It's just a tool. Is that inbounds
or out of bounds for Joe Judge to say, I
say inbounds, inbounds. I've got American literature shopping spree and paralysis,
and we will attempt to shoot the lights out right
(04:22):
now and put all of this together and make the Barbacanoos.
We're gonna make the Barbacanoos down number. So I have
Joe Judges back on this. I will reject the counter
argument the Giants should have never been in a tug
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of war battle royal with the Falcons. I realized they're
a bad team. The Falcons are bad team, but the
Falcons seemingly are worse the way they got passed by
the Philadelphia Eagles and the opener. So that was an embarrassing,
gutless effort by the Giants, the fact that that was
anyone's game in the third quarter, in the fourth quarter,
down the stretch. But the football media that are barking here,
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these brainwash zombies who are demanding total one hundred percent
submission to the analytical group, think I absurd, absurd, You
should pick and choose your spots. I am a advocate
everything in moderation, even analytics. Some stats are more meaningful
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than others, and you have to pick and choose what's
more important to you. And I learned from the legendary
back back in his days, Samuel Langhorne Clements, the father
of American literature, better known by his gangster name Mark Twain,
that there are three types of statistics, lies, damn lies,
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and statistics. Right there you go. And also more recently,
not to say that Mark Twain's been dead for a while,
but Dick Stockton very much alive, the iconic Dick Stockton
just retired recently. And he taught me that statistics tell
you what has happened, they don't tell you what's going
to happen. And football has always had these things. I
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guess I'm getting older. I'm from the Bronze Age. But
when I was playing football, Pop Warner All Star. Actually
I wasn't allowed to play Pop Warner high school football.
I'm like Al Bundy. At Polk High School, they called
these things tendencies, and it was part of football. It
is ingrained that you looked for tendencies and that if
the ball was on the hash mark that the team
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would go to the strong side of the field x
percent of the time and they go to the short
side of the field x percent of the time, and
you play the tendencies. But data driven studies these days
say that you have no choice that you have to
go for it on fourth down when inside opponent's territory.
So if you are across the fifty in enemy territory,
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that you have to go for But I just it's
not one hundred percent. It's not one hundred percent. And
a lot of what's gone on here is after the fact,
Like if the Giants win that game, no one's bringing
up the fact that there was a punt, and so
it's after the fact that the Giants decided to punt
thirty nine yard line of the falcon. Now, the second
thing here, the bigger story is not the analytics. It's
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that the Giants are yet again playing like a large,
oversized pile of dirty diapers. It's not because of the analytics.
And Joe Judge, the team is bad. He has been
unable to manipulate this team into a good team. And
so the analytics part is just bullcrap. That's all that
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is right, And You can't blame big data for the
useless nonsense the Giants have been putting out in the field.
If you do that, then you are a country bumpkin.
Don't be a country bumpkin. This is an Okham's razor situation.
The simplest explanation is most often correct. We believe the
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Giants are getting what they paid for. They went on
a shopping spree at the dime store, and I'm talking
about Danny Dimes, the savior. Oh Danny Dimes, we love you.
How's that working out? Not good? No ifsands or butts
about it. This was supposed to be the big Year
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three jump. This was high expectations. This was the big improvement,
and I realized we're only three games into the season.
But has anyone seen the tremendous improvement from the Giants quarterback? Yeah? Yeah,
don't ask if you're If you're asking, don't ask. Daniel Jones.
Let me check my notes. Here is the twenty first
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ranked quarterback in the NFL. What you talk about a
year three jump? Oh my goodness, twenty first in the NFL.
He is currently tied with Jared Goff behind Check this
out quarterback rating behind Taylor Heineke in Washington and Jalen
Hurts in Philadelphia, and of course Dak Prescott ahead of
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those guys. So that means that Daniel Jones is the
lowest rated quarterback in the worst division you can possibly
imagine for football. And the Giants also, it's not just
Danny Dimes. Their defense supposed to be a little bit
better this year, and they have a dime a dozen defense.
They're also ranked twenty first in a thirty two team league,
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which to my knowledge is not particularly good. That's not
when you're twenty first and there's only thirty two teams,
that's not not great. You're not scaring the bejeebers out
of anybody. All right, final point, So Joe Judge, go
back to Joe Judge. He is attempting to be a
well rounded coach. Now it's not going. I thought this
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guy had something. I Will sparked that Giants sucked his
first year. I thought, well, this is something here. But
it doesn't matter if there's something there, if your team
continues to go out there and projectile vomit week after week.
And so he is behind the eight ball with the
Giants right now. He inherited a disheveled mess, a home
on the wrong side of the tracks that needed major remodeling.
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It had been burned in a fire, and Joe Judge
has done nothing but watch it deteriorate even more. I
believe his record is six and thirteen now his first
nineteen games as coach of the Giants, And while I
support the overall mentality, I don't think he's wrong in this.
So far. Joe Judge has been that guy that just
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blows a lot of hot air. He'd be a good
talk show host because he talks to talk, but in
this case he hasn't been able to walk the walk.
But again we agree with his overall point. You do
not want automated coaches, and we see this a lot
in all sports with the group think about analytics, that
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you forget the human element, that if you want the
human element, you are out in left field in today's
sporting world. What's wrong with you? You are the pay
phone in the cell phone world, you are the typewriter
in the laptop world. What's going on with you? But
I'm of the belief that you should occasionally trust your
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gut say this all the time. It's more of a
baseball argument. But baseball is even more obsessed than football
with analytics. But we believe in people, not machines. And
if not, if you just want to have an algorithm
coach your team, then just give the algorithm a ball
cap and a whistle. But remember the law of infinite
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data states that there is always new information for one
to learn, and you cannot learn or know everything, and
so what ends up happening is a paralysis by analysis
situ way sean where you spend so much time obsessing
about the data and what has happened that you lose
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touch with reality. And so you should you should in moderation. Yeah,
if you know the numbers indicate that this is a
thing that will work in your favor of seventy five
eighty percent of the time, I'm not opposed to doing it,
but rare and appropriately you should consider other things. The
problem with putting all your eggs in the analytic basket
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is there are too many anomalies. There are so many
anomalies and those pesky variables that mess things up, and
so that's the thing that the cult of the analytics
does not like to deal with. But it's a big
part of that story. Ben Mallers Show on Fox. We'll
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So we began the hour ranting about Joe Judge. He
has some comments, he was under attack, gave a sermon
about analytics, and I generally agree with Joe Judge. It
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doesn't matter. He's gonna lose his job if this continues.
They're not going to keep him around with the Giants,
and he is handcuffed for better or worse to Danny Dimes,
and Danny Dimes is not worth a dime at this point,
so that's the problem there. Just Josh's I'm not surprised
(15:42):
by your Giants monologue. Since I am a p one
who breaks down the analytics of the show. I knew
you were about to drop a dime on us. But
I don't judge. I don't judge, so the legendary caller
from Cincinnati says. He says, I don't judge. Also, I
can let you know when your odds are better to
(16:03):
win Mallor's mounting money. Well, that's essentially dependent on the
person I work with. Now, we had a guy the
other night from the oil fields in Oklahoma who I
don't know that he'd ever watched the sporting event in
his life, and either that or his hearing aid wasn't
quite working. It just didn't go well for him. And
so that stage fright, flop, sweat, whatever you want to say,
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and just that happens. Matt the Warrior Raider rays Fan
says ten out of ten on the Maller Monologue, one
agree with Joe Judge's explanation that you can't blindly follow
the analytics, and there are times you should go against them.
What's occurring in the game in the moment should be
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as big of a factor as the data. Milkman Mike
in Colorado's This Great Hour two Monologue, the NFL giants
are in such horrible shape that even the Property Brothers
wouldn't come in there and salvage there the house. Yeah,
it's not love it or listed, it's blow it up.
That's what it is right now, Valls fan Jimmy says, Ben,
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do you use analytics when you prepare for the show? God? No, please,
are you kidding me? I use maler Math absolutely. The
Russian kid who called up yesterday busting my balls says
the analytics are always wrong. I agree with you, Ben.
The key quote is depends on what personnel is available.
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The Giants sucked for two decades at quarterbacks, so Danny
Dimes is what they have had in Elijah double bird
manning his personnel sucks just like the Stros f Altuve
and the Russian kid says, also f the Steelers, so
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he says now. The late night drug tester from Parts
Unknown write Sin says, I think that Joe Judge is
coaching as if Bill Gays was in charge of the team,
showing nothing but a blue screen of death. So he
claims that our buddy Derek and Buffalo the Bills monster says,
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great mologue, Joe Judge is a buffoon. Though it's a
shame a once proud Giants organization are the new Cleveland Browns.
The Giants lost Super Bowl twenty five when Scott Norwood
hit the miracle field goal to winn it. I celebrated
Buffalo Super Bowl championship every day with adult diapers. That's
(18:32):
from Derek and Buffalo using revisionist history, which is the
best kind of history because you're never wrong with revisionist history.
Let's go to the phones and let's say hello to
do we have here? How about we say added John,
who's in Tacoma, Hello John, Welcome, Big Ben Mallard, good
to talk to you. Hey. As a long time suffering
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Viking fan since the early seventh that's right, that they've
never found they've never disappointed me and finding ways to
disappoint me. But this year, even though they're one and
two due to an idiot kicker in the second game
and idiot referee in the first game, My hot take,
my prediction is they're going to meet your Rams in
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the NFC Championship game and Vikings are going to follow
through in disappointment and they're going to urinate down their leg,
descate their pants, vombed on the field, and your Rams
are not gonna win. But the Vikings are gonna lose,
and your Rams will go to the super Bowl. Well,
(19:36):
I'm high prediction. I think I'll take it right now.
Anyway you get to the super Bowl is a great
way to get to the super Bowl. And I would
love to see the Vikings and the rest. And the
Vikings are going to be in La here playing. I
think they'll play the Chargers. I was thinking about going
to that game, but it's I don't think it's schedule wise.
I don't think I'll be able to make it. But
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you're a Viking fan and you're in Tacoma, what's up
with that? Well? I grew up in shot Capee, Minnesota,
and I know some a caller from a couple of
days ago gave out a call a shout out to
the shot Cape Lawyers semi pro football team, which I've
never heard of before. But uh, yeah, that's where I grew.
I grew up in graduated. I've never heard of him.
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So Well, once you have that Minnesota, but I have
noticed that, like we we have beer drinking Bryan who
lives in Kansas City, but he's an old Minnesota guy
and he loves Minnesota teams. He also loves alcohol, weed, um, math,
you name it. Uh, And then we we have you. Yeah,
and I don't. I don't like anything of those that
he likes, except for the beer. I like that. But hey, Ben,
(20:41):
one more thing, Uh oh my my, yeah, exactly. My
my ex wife's cousins brother in law told me that
he heard on TMZ or maybe not, that robertal didn't
work earlier this week because he was suspended or something.
Uh it might it might have been doing asking things
to do with spoon, not proven. All right, John, Well,
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you know we are not allowed to talk about Roberto's
situation unfortunately, and as you know, we like to kid
around on this show, but it's very serious what happened
to Roberto. So we'll just leave it at that. But
I would like to be the first to wish Roberto
a happy birthday. Happy birthday, Roberto Happy. And I apologize
if I stepped on stepped on toes. Yeah, all right,
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thank you, John, Go Vikings, Go Vikings. All right, say
hello to Rachel in Monta Bello. Hello Rachel in Southern California,
Hello Rachel magnificent. Ben Ben, regarding your first monologue, if
the question given to Build Belichick about defending Tom Brady
was given by a man instead of a woman, Delichick
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would have replied, next question, Oh no, I think Belichick
would have would have absolutely destroyed the mail reporter. Can
we play that again? By the way, do we have that?
That's this is an amazing audio if you missed it earlier.
Bill Belichick was asked, we believe the dumbest question asked
by anyone at a news conference in many, many years.
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And this is a question. We're not making this up.
This was not a gag. This was a legitimate question
of Bill Belichick. But let's let the audio role about
Tom Brady. Bill, would you consider to a tough quarterback
to defend? And if so, why consider them a tough
quarterback to the front? Is that the question? Yeah? Oh,
(22:39):
that is so good. That is so good, magnificent Ben.
I want to remind you fasten your seat built. Then
it's going to be a bumpy ride this last four
days in the MLB season. It wouldn't be as bumpy
if a certain closer hadn't taken a ride in the
vomit time during the summer. Just pointing that out. It
was home run derby tonight, Ben. It was beautiful and
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you ain't Stanning, I mean, I swallowed my turn because
I thought the game was over, but things are heating up. Absolutely, Rachel,
and good luck, Roberto. Whatever you're going through, it will
pass like everything else, Okay, except kidney stones because they
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might need. Yeah, all right, all right, big fan, thank you.
There she goes the lovely and talented Rachel, who glad
she finished. Juey dooey. What she was saying there might
have been taken out of context and appropriately, and Bert's
(23:44):
drop happy. Happy about that for sure, for sure, happy
about that. That dial a quote thing from Jerry Jones
the other day. I just looked it up. So Jerry
was interviewed. He was asked about Micah Parsons, this rookie
stud linebacker for the Cowboys off to a great start.
We'll see if he can maintain that. And so Jerry's
asked about that in his quote. I'm gonna try to
(24:06):
find the audio on this, like I couldn't find it
the other day. But I'm sure it's not that hard
to track down. Everything's now saved for my sterry's sake.
But Jerry said of Michael Parsons, he's as pure as
mother's milk. He just basically steps out there and gives
you everything he's got nature gave him skills, and boy
does he know how to use him. But the beginning
part of that, he's as pure as mother's milk, which
(24:28):
is right up there. Remember on Hard Knocks, the highlight, well,
the two hard highlights of Hard Knocks. I didn't watch
every second of Hard Knocks, but the ones that sit
out for me was when Jerry talked about his love
of what a Burger, the fast food chain, and talking
about the vaccine he said he had gotten more shots
than a cocker spaniel. Those are the two amazing things
(24:49):
about Jerry Jones. But the latest one talking about one
of his players, he's as pure as a mother's milk.
The great Jerry Jones a sound bite machine he never disappoints.
Be sure to catch live editions The Ben Maller Show
weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Hey, I'm
Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually
(25:09):
talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about
the stories about what made these people love their sport
and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talked
to coaches, we talked to players. We tell you stories.
You download it, you listen to it. I think you'll
like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or ever you get your
(25:32):
podcast to the NBA. And it seems like we go
back and forth every day, either news on Kyrie Irving
or Ben Simmons. And according to a report, Ben Simmons
continues to say he will not play for the Philadephia
seventy six ers and he will, if necessary, sit out
the entire upcoming season. Now what would that mean and
(25:53):
a loss of money if Ben Simmons thirty three million dollars,
If Ben Simmons is a man of his word, that
he would be leaving on the table by not playing
bouncy ball this year, Well, my answer, my default answer, Eddie,
is always there's no way you're not gonna miss the
whole year. And I was proven to be an idiot
when your guy Levon Bell actually did miss the whole year.
(26:15):
I think I think he was proven to be the idiot.
And that one, well, I agree, But is now Ben
Simmons is the move here? Does he go back to
Australia or does he go to Miami or LA and
hang out in the banana hammock and just lay on
the beach and wait for the occasional jet ski Like,
what's he's gonna play? Come on, it's all posturing and empty.
(26:37):
I would, I would agree with you, but we'll see. Well.
The other thing too, about the way that the basketball
world works, unlike most of the other sports, is it
the players control the league. So Ben Simmons will be
traded because the Sixers don't want to look like they're
they're not kind the players right there'll be worried about that,
and so he'll go somewhere else. And if I'm Philadelphia,
(27:00):
I send Ben Simmons to the Sacramento Kings of the
Minnesota Timberwolves, and I say, I hope you have a
great time in basketball Siberia. Have a wonderful time. Knock
yourself out. You can be the big man on campus
and no one will even know you exist. No one
will know that you have a fine time, fine time.
(27:25):
But I'm a bit vindictive about these things. I am.
I still love the Doc Rivers clip from last week
when Doc went on TV and gasolt. Everyone said, oh,
I didn't say that, and then there's video and audio
of Doc trashing Ben Simmons, and he said, oh, it
didn't happen. All right, wonderful. We go right back to
(27:47):
the phones and we'll say hello to Mitchell in Ohio. Hello, Mitchell,
what's up there? Long time ago, talk Mitchell. It's been
a while. Yeah, yeah, it's been a while. I just
want to tell you that, you know, it's kind of
like with the steroids and stuff. You know, we don't
want using steroids and stuff because we like to see
you know, or god given ability against somebody else's god
(28:10):
given ability. And with Brady, you know, having that doctor
and stuff, nobody really knows what that doctor's done but
for him. But it's you know, where did He's had
the longest career in the NFL history. You're talking about Alice. Wait,
Alice Guerrero is not a doctor? Is that who you're
talking about? Whatever? Is? Yeah, which, well, he's a he's
(28:31):
a charlatan, Alex Guerrero. I think you can say he's
a he's the guy that went on TV did an
infomercial and claimed a supplement called Supreme Greens could cure cancer.
And yeah, yeah, that's like something doctor Mike. Yeah, that
sounds like something Doc Mike would do. And that is
the snake oil salesman buddy of Tom Brady right there,
(28:51):
that's the guy. Yeah, I think, yeah, But whatever he is,
I think he's definitely had something to do with one.
Tom Brady's stuck around for as long as he had.
Mean that means, now, that means you agree with with
the Peyton Manning's documentary that we talked about in yesterday's show,
that the new revelations there about Peyton Manny. You buy that, yes, well, yeah,
(29:12):
he probably doesn't Sundal, which I don't blame Peyton Manning.
I mean I wouldn't walk you don't blame me, But
why wait you don't Why why would you blame Tom Brady?
Then if you don't blame Peyton Manny, you can't blame
Tom Brady. I don't blame Tom Brady either, as far
as that goes. I'm just saying, if you're going to
count all these stats, if he would have retired at
you know, a normal age like most people do, he
wouldn't have probably at least one two rings well, of course, yes.
(29:34):
And if if Pete Rose hadn't played until he was
in his mid forties, he wouldn't have been the all
time hit King, although I guess he's not technically because
he's banned for life or whatever. But yes, longevity is
a big part of any of these accomplishments. You can't
get all time records unless you have longevity. That's part
of the equation. All Right, we'll leave it there. But
calling occasional caller used to be a regular, used to
(29:56):
be a regular back back in the day. And he's
he's returned for an occasional called Mitchell in Ohio. All right,
it's the Ben Mallers Show on Fox. Let's say hello too.
I've always say a lot to Chris and Houston, and
I am getting reports from members of the Mallam militia
that Chris has been double dipping on other radio shows.
(30:17):
I don't know if that's true or now Hello christ
one radio show. Well too, because I actually liked the
two guys in a tight shirt. I listened to an
album too. I should have nighted a tight shirt, not
in a couple of jokes. Oh, I got you, So
that was not you, because you were denying the charge.
You called another nighttime radio show. Okay, alright, all right, okay.
(30:41):
When I get home, I'm a TV watching I'm not
a radio listener. Yeah, you're supposed to be like when
radio started and the family would huddle around the radio
and listen to story too. No, no, no, my paciers
can't take all that. But being I wanted to get
on the fact of this curious case of Kylerie Irn
and it brought me up to basically thinking about my
(31:02):
homeboys and how it is good to be friends, but
doing business with certain homeboys is a no golf. And
that's the type of person Kyrie is. He's good. You
can have a conversation, we could talk about the good
old days, play a pickup game. But as far as
winning the championship of Kyrie Irving again says Lebron's as have,
it's a no go Kevin Durand no, he screwed up
(31:23):
when he teamed up with that guys. So I disagree.
I disagree. I'm not a Kyrie Irving fan, but he
certainly can win a title. With Kevin Durant as he's
the number two, that team certainly can win. They better
not play the Warriors in the NBA Finals or he
won't be able to play at any of the games. Hey, hey, Ben,
(31:43):
I'm gonna tell you like this. You know, I had
a buddy. I got him on up here, you know,
to work with me, you want a job or whatever.
And you know we in him. We kicked it and
came out talked all the time. You know, it was cool.
You know, got to working with the guy and hey,
you know, boss man, come tell me, hey, you try
to do this? What's the why is this not this doing?
You know, stuff like that. So you know, I come
(32:03):
back and relate a message to him and hey man,
I'm trying to do my job. You know, he getting
all of them. You know, I'm like, hey, I'm just
trying to tell you how they's got a gun, bro.
You know, I just want to tell you, you know.
And that's what I'm saying, is what Kylerie Irvan is
that he's that know at all guy that it's like
Kevin Durant can't tell him nothing, James Harden can't tell
him nothing. You see what I'm saying. And for you
to sit here and go say you want to start
(32:25):
a busy with a guy like that, or you know
you're trying to win a championship, but be on the
same page. You're never going to be on the same page.
With that guy because he's gonna have a family event
to go to. Oh, I got my birthday coming up.
I got to miss this game. I gotta go to
my birthday. Last year, well last year he had didn't
he take a week off because it was his sister's
birthday or his birthday. And that's the reason why I say,
(32:47):
he's that guy that you would never ever want to
start a business with. You you can hang out with
and have a great time with, but you never ever
want to have a guy like that on your team.
But basically, other things a priority when it's time to
go make money, when it's time to get on saying,
you know, well I didn't see Chris, maybe this was
sway Kyrie, but I did see an adult website offered
a deal to Kyrie to get the vaccine there. And yeah,
(33:10):
he's he's being a ding dong with all that. You know.
They the YouTube watches, man, they watched him too much YouTube,
you know, and they get caught down a rabbit hole.
But you know that's a whole another story and everything.
But I did hear that, uh that under siege talked
from Kawhi. Leonard looked like he was in a hostage video.
Kawhi locked and loaded for the video embarrassed. I mean,
(33:32):
for the rest of the NBA, that is the most
impressive accomplishment an owner can have Kyrie. Kyrie's his own
animal over. But Kawhi, this guy is also He's very
tough to please, and Steve Bombers pleased him. And so Steve,
(33:53):
is that you used to criticize this guy again, he
proved me. Kawai proved that he is lit by going
to Toronto and winning in Toronto, the toughest place to
win in Toronto. He led the Clippers, led the Clippers
to the final four there this past year. So it's
all looking up for the Clips and you know your react.
(34:14):
He didn't. He was injured, he didn't, he didn't play.
Your reaction is proof verifications. How upset he You're very upset.
The magic magic the Clippers, the magical dust they had
in that playoff run. They just gonna bottle that. Chris stop,
He's damn. I'm going to leave you with this. I
(34:37):
just can't wait till they put the final for a
banner up. Oh my god, I'm getting well. I can't
wait till they open up the tie from the Hall
in Inglewood, and then and then the Lakers will be
playing on the wrong side of the tracks officially so
by themselves there all right. It is Ben, Yes, that's
the wrong center. It's right Staple centers essentially, skid Row
(34:58):
ad Jason that at Inglewood Complex. That's like Sportstown, USA,
where they're building that past when the tos mahall ten
years old and the Clippers still having won. It's beautiful,
it's wonderful. And again, as we said in the model
are you were out here? Roberto's one of my great
pieces of audio content. It's a beautiful building, wonderful building.
(35:20):
The best builders. The Clippers are new hip. The Clippers
are the Internet. The Lakers are the typewriter. They're all musty,
but they're they're old money, is what they are. Anyway,
It is the Ben Mallers Show. As we press on
time now for the install Tributa, we have Mallard of
the third degree as well. Steelers rookie running back Naji
(35:40):
Harris fourteen catches that tied the NFL record for most
catches in the game by a rookie running back. He
joined Sequan Barkley and Blank that's the question. The answer next.
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(36:23):
trivia Steeler running back a rookie running back Nag Harris
fourteen catches, tied for the NFL record for most catches
in a game. Buy a rookie running back in that loss.
He joins Sequon Barkley and Blank. That is the question,
and what is the answer? With Mallard of the third
(36:45):
degree warming up right around the bend, who do we
have here? Matt the Warrior Ritter is fan got it right,
clearly cheating Milkman. Mike and Colorado says it has to
be Voltrod Marrion Butts from Oscar, Willie Flipper Anderson, great
name from Malibu Rubin an NFL record holder, Willie Flipper
Anderson who else? Page down here? Page down, can't read
(37:08):
that on the air, The greatest Viking running back of
all time, Chuck Foreman says the Midnight Walker from the
Twin Cities of Bruce Jenner and Hulk Hogan from Alf
the Alien Opiner brother. Let's see page down here. Darren
Sprawls from Robbie the Disgruntled Mariner fan, Steve Correll from
j D in KC. Bill the Seagull Gullikson from Nails.
(37:32):
That's his answer, Jessica Bielle from David in Seattle. Eddie,
do you have an answer? Eddie played? It's former chief
Star Barry Word, Barry Word. No, it's a good good name.
This is a guy who's a start in Nebraska, played
with the Redskins. We can say that because they were
the Redskins when he played there. Roy Halloo Remember Roy
Halloo running back out of Nebraska ten years ago? No,
(37:55):
you know Roy Hello, you don't remember him. Job to
the third degree. This is one big band gets grilled.
Coop dwal Loop, Trevor Lawrence said during an interview for
the Jaguars team website, that he thinks he has gotten
better every game. Quote. I definitely feel the progress. Yeah, Ben,
(38:19):
have you seen the progress? Well, nothing tangible that baby
steps for Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence is trying to force the
ball downfield into coverage, which does work when you're in
the acc But as they said in The Wizard of
oz Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Clemson anymore.
You're not. And Lawrence he's got to have a short
(38:42):
memory here because you don't want him to become Charlie Checkdown.
But you also don't want to be Gary Gambler. And
there's somewhere in the middle. There, there's somewhere in the middle.
It's the sweet spot for Trevor Lawrence. And we'll see
what he does tonight against Cincinnati. And this is a
winnable game for Jacksonville next The other week during Too
Much or Not Enough, we mentioned that John Lester got
(39:03):
to two hundred career wins. It's a big milestone. Ben.
Do you think he's a Hall of Famer? No, No,
John Lester, He's not at that level. He has some
big moments in the postseason, not enough sustained dominance in
the regular season, and you put him on that same
line like I would put Kurt schillingham Hall of Fame.
But I don't make Shilling he's got any chance because
(39:25):
it was politics to get in. David Cohne, Jimmy Key,
Kevin Brown, guys like that. None of those guys are
in Cooperstown. And but Lester he has a good story.
The writers like him a lot overcame cancer, so he's
gonna get more love than Kurt Schilling. But no, his
Shilling should be in, and I don't have Lester in
the Hall of Fame next. So Marlon Maqui was on
(39:45):
the verge of becoming a star running back after his
breakout twenty nineteen season. Then the Colt shocked everyone by
drafting Jonathan Taylor and then mac Torre's achilles. Now it's
being reported he's healthy and the two have agreed to
seek a trade. Ben, do you think someone will give
up some pieces for Marlon mack? No, He's a baseline
back coming off an injury at a greyhound position, and
(40:07):
his contract is up at the end of the year.
If you want him, just wait a couple of months.
How do we do He passed us a that's somewhere else,
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